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Hiding in Plain Sight? On the Garrett/T.O. Churn

I want to address some ideas that are in the air concerning Dallas, because the general consensus on each major point seems to contradict the other:

First, this chestnut :  the Cowboys would be much better off if Jerry Jones would give the team over to a "football guy." 

This one amuses me to no end, because it contains so much selective, short-term amnesia.

Ladies and gentlemen -- those of you tossing this one around anyway -- where were your minds in the years 2003 through 2006?  You know, the years when Jerry handed control of this organization to one Duane Charles "Bill" Parcells. 

Wasn't he a "football guy?"

Star-divide

I think he is.  I think he's one of the best around.  And what did Jerry get for his trouble?  He got a clear organizational reboot.  The scouting has been better.  The talent level is higher.  The organization, which flat-lined at 5-11 from '00 through '02, has had winning seasons five of the last six years.  That's almost all on Parcells. 

What it didn't get is a Super Bowl.  And that seems to be the biggest complaint.  The line "if Jerry would only hire a football guy" to me, is shorthand for, "I want a Super Bowl!  I want a playoff win!.  I want it, I want IT, I WANT IT!!!"

Because all a good football guy guarantees you is a better chance of winning.  Nothing more.  Which is precisely what Bill Parcells produced.  Don't believe me?  Allow me to show you the resumes of some of the best "football men" around. 

Let's start in Indy, where Bill Polian rules the roost.  He put together those great Bills teams of the '90s.  He helped select or selected outright, several Hall of Fame players, from Bruce Smith, to Jim Kelly, to Thurman Thomas, and he picked a Hall of Fame coach in Marv Levy. 

He then went to Carolina and had his expansion Panthers playing for the NFC title in their second year.  He moved on to Indy and has run a model organization there.  He hired another sure Hall of Fame coach in Tony Dungy and his list of first round picks cannot be topped. 

He won his first and only Super Bowl in 2006, and he had to toil for 20 years before he got it.

Let's now turn our attention to Ron Wolf.  He was Parcells' most trusted confidant when the Tuna worked in Dallas.  Wolf cut his personnel teeth working for Al Davis in the late '60s and early '70s.  He built the Bucs from the ground up with John McKay.  He then made a brief stop in New York before heading to Green Bay, where he ran a model organization for a decade.  His system has been copied by proteges like Mike Holmgren in Seattle.  Wolf was the consummate football guy.

How many rings did Wolf earn as a GM?  Try one.  He got it in '96 and when his '97 team lost to Denver in Super Bowl 32, he angered many Cheeseheads by angrily and reflexively terming their title "a fart in the wind."

Let's go to Pittsburgh, where Bill Cowher was the ultimate power coach.  He's the most sought after coach on the market, though he's decided to sit out another year.  His 15-year run in Pittsburgh saw him win one title, and he had to work fourteen years to earn it.

How about Baltimore?  Ozzie Newsome, is considered one of the best personnel guys anywhere.  Yet, if his guys beat Pittsburgh on Sunday he'll be going to his first Super Bowl as a GM. 

Let's move down to Tennessee, where Jeff Fisher has just finished his fourteenth season as head coach and is settling in as the de facto GM after ousting Floyd Reese a few years ago.  His young team went 13-3 and flamed out.  He's still searching for his first title.

What about the team of Tom Heckert, Joe Banner and Andy Reid in Philly?  They've run the NFC's model franchise for a decade and if they can keep their run going for two more games they'll finally get to celebrate their first title.

Here are six of the best football guys/teams.  They have over 80 years of combined experience. 

And they have three titles among them.  No one on this list has more than one. 

A good football guy guarantees you nothing, except that you'll be in the hunt every year.  Which incidentally is where the Cowboys are right now. 

Which brings me to point two.  There are fan factions lining up after '08.  They've got their torches lit and want to drag someone or someones to the figurative guillotine.  Some want Tony Romo's head.  Others Terrell Owens'.  Some want Wade Phillips gone.  More want Jason Garrett in the past and hope another team hires him away.

Be careful what you wish for.  Garrett, if the rumors of the week are to be believed, has put a T.O.-or-me ultimatum on the table:

The potential of the Cowboys losing Garrett to another team could accelerate the timetable for a decision about Owens. They had expected not to face a deadline until his $3 million roster bonus is due June 3. But that changes if Garrett finds himself in a position to leave the Cowboys and makes Owens' departure a condition of his remaining.

ESPN -- "Sources:  Dallas May Release Owens," Jan. 14th

If this blurb has any meat to it, are we not seeing evidence of a take-charge kind of  guy?  Somebody who has a vision for the team and does not want it compromised by prima donnas and malingerers? 

Perhaps.  Perhaps not.  But I'm wondering if the people calling for Jason Garrett's head on a pike may not be trying to oust the very football guy so many other Cowboys fans demand?  Good head coaches must have good personnel evaluation skills.  What do we know about Garretts'?  Not much, but those crumbs speak well for him.  He advocated for Felix Jones.  Reports from last year's Senior Bowl had him singling out Donny Avery and Eddie Royal as desirable WR targets, and they were impressive as rookies.

Garrett is characterized as ambitious and sneaky by rippers like Mike Florio, but he's worked his way onto several short lists for head coach the last two years.  Can that many GMs be that stupid?  The Ravens and Falcons made excellent head coaching choices last year and both teams picked Garrett ahead of their current guys.  Three teams looked at him this year.

Tony Sparano looked a lot smarter after he left Dallas.  Can the Cowboys afford to have another young coach find success after leaving, or are they better off having him stay and change the culture from within? 

What we may have is a case of Jerry the coaching GM being in direct debate with Jerry the free agent GM.

A lot rides on which Jerry wins the debate.  And he needs to have it soon.  St. Louis appears to be edging closer to Garrett.:

In Atlanta’s head coaching search last year, Garrett was the leading candidate when current Rams GM Billy Devaney was a part of the process.  Garrett is from Jersey, as is Devaney, and yesterday after meeting at the Four Seasons Hotel with the top Rams brass, Garrett was impressive. He may have closed the gap on front-runner Leslie Frazier.  

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Raf, I know it does not have the same detail that your post has provided

but Darren Woodson echoed the same thoughts that the GM’s see film and still show interest in JG so one off year does not make him a bad prospect. Darren would be in favor of keeping JG over TO because he feels that he will be a very good coach and will be in the league longer than TO. Darren also echoed your mention of missed opportunities by JJ to have a coach for the long haul.

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by cowboy78 on Jan 15, 2009 2:17 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Look at it this way

Does Jerry want to groom a guy who could then become a quality coach, in which case his decision to hire Garrett before Wade is vindicated, or;

does he risk losing Garrett, hiring a short term OC, say, promoting Ray Sherman and then having to spend huge money, replay the Parcells hiring and have the press tell him he failed as is “trying with another big HC name” next year?

He cedes some control quietly or he does it loudly, with the press laughing at him, but either way, if he wants to move forward he cedes some control.

by Rafael Vela on Jan 15, 2009 2:20 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

You may think so, but I like Jason G.

Answer me this if NFL is so easy was Bill Belichick fired in Cleveland? and he is now considered a Genius? JG is learning..

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 16, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Belicheck had already proved himself as a defensive coordinator

with the Giants prior to Cleveland. he also took the Browns to playoffs in 94, but was overcome by events in 1995 with their move to Baltimore.

by DavidH22 on Jan 16, 2009 11:59 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

JG had us in the playoffs last year as a OC

Like I said even Belicheck got fired.

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 16, 2009 12:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I like JG too, and think with more experience he will be a very good OC

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 16, 2009 6:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Raf....

great article, enjoyed reading it…

by CowboysFan4Life on Jan 15, 2009 2:20 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

There is a debate going on alright . . .

and as I wrote on another post, you are right that debate involves Jerry Jones and is being orchestrated through the media via leaks. I really believe that Jerry doesn’t want to lose Garrett or cut Owens, and is building himself up as the good cop vs. his bad cop son, Stephen, who is playing the heavy wanting to cut Owens. This will earn Jerry the trust and confidence of the exceedingly sensitive Owens, but only if Owens agrees to cooperate with Garrett.

by NCCowboy on Jan 15, 2009 2:21 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

if the rumors are true I'm pleased to see Garrett showing some fire

this is straight out of the Bill Parcells file, circa 1983 — if I’m gonna get fired, I’m gonna do it my way.

by Rafael Vela on Jan 15, 2009 2:22 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

With the majority rippin' on Red Ball...

…I mentioned a few times that I was indeed impressed with his assertiveness during HBO’s Hard Knocks last summer.

And although I’ve criticized Garrett in regards to playcalling, I don’t necessarily want to lose him. I too, believe he can improve, and in my opinion, one more year might help — if we get that luxury.

I have more of a problem with Wade’s lack of discipline and accountability… and Stewart’s incompetence as a defensive assistant.

The more and more that I learn about what’s going on with Garrett in this current offseason, the more solid I’ve become in wanting to keep him. Consider me more and more in the camp of Raf and Grizz regarding keeping Jason Garrett. When I think of how many times the Redskins have changed coaches, players, OCs… I begin to wonder if maybe da King is on to something with this continuity thing.

There’s something to be said about the value of staying the course. After all, it has been two years with Phillips and Garrett. Let’s give it one more season — that is, if our OC doesn’t land an HC gig with some other team.

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by silverblue5 on Jan 15, 2009 3:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd only want Wade as our Defensive Coordinator

From what I’ve read, da King ordered Phillips to take over the “D” after the debacle in St. Louis.

And just like you stated, yes, the defense did improve.

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by silverblue5 on Jan 15, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 16, 2009 6:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think it breaks down that way

Jerry wants to have his cake and eat it too, but if he finds himself alone and Garrrett, Stephen, Wade and the scouts are on the other side, he’ll defer to them.

It broke down exactly this way on Terry Glenn. Jerry wanted to give him one more chance, but nobody else did and he eventually gave it to the rest of the organization.
 
He does listen. He will fight hard for his position but he does defer to his organization when he’s isolated.

by Rafael Vela on Jan 15, 2009 2:24 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

On that point I would use the BJ as the backup as a clear example of what your are talking about.

He listened to the coaches, even though he had reservations about Brad.

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Jan 15, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

hopefully he'll do the same in this instance and cut T.O. soon

I totally agree with you regarding Garrett, in time he’ll be one hell of a HC and Jerry needs to remember why he paid him $3 mil a year to stay on in the first place.

If Jerry loses Garrett, he might regret the decision to keep T.O. for a very long time.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 15, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

A scenario in which JG leaves and Wade and TO are back next season would end in disaster. As low as this past season took us, I’d hate to have this happen.

Even if JG goes, I’d still like to get rid of TO. The cost outweighs the reward at this point and the offense needs to tighten up from top to bottom. This team does not need TO yapping every week about this and that and keeping everything in a negative light.

Time to trim the fat.

by Billito on Jan 15, 2009 7:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Remember?

I believe the reason Felix received 0 carries was because they targeted T.O 20 times against the Redskins. The pressure JG felt to get T.O. the ball effected the gameplan to the detriment of the entire team. I will never forget that aspect of that game.

by cow_fanatic on Jan 15, 2009 8:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He shouldn't feel pressured to do anything.

If they win the game, no one will care how many touches TO gets it.

by joey7289 on Jan 15, 2009 9:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Felling "pressured" to give a player the ball

is a criticism rather than an excuse

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 16, 2009 6:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

*Feeling

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 16, 2009 6:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

not to mention MB3 got 8 carries, TO got 2 carries, and Romo got 1 carry which equals 11 total rushes for da game

and 47 pass attempts!

i do like Red Ball — and i’d be willing to give him one more season as our OC — but i will correctly criticize his playcalling in that Redskins loss. especially when we were only down by less than a TD for most of the 2nd half.

no excuse to pass that many times and basically abandon the run when it’s that close of a ball game.

i was like WTF?

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by silverblue5 on Jan 16, 2009 10:36 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

No excuses for JG in that game and I think he knows it. We will run the ball alot more next year which will benefit the team in all phases

by cow_fanatic on Jan 16, 2009 10:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The difference

is that nobody outside of Dallas cared about the Terry Glenn saga. This flame-up is attracting the media moths, and Jerry is going to sit back and watch the fire burn during the most visible month of the year for the NFL. He has notoriously used the Super Bowl and its spotlight as a stage for the organization’s announcements, controversies, etc.

Muschamp seems like the kind of guy who used to beat up guys like Bob Stoops in high school.

by TheJeezus on Jan 15, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting take

That is a lot of money that Jerry will have to eat. $12 million bonus paid last year to Owens, plus ~$9 million salary this year.

Interesting quote from Crayton on ESPN: “I think [Owens] respects [Garrett] to a degree,” Crayton said. “I’m not sure exactly. You really have to ask him how much he really respects him totally. I’m not sure if he respects him totally because of some of the comments and some of the things that happened throughout the season.”

What comments, I wonder? “TO, you can’t beat the jam, and your routes are sloppy, so I am going to use you as a decoy and send you long every play.”

by NCCowboy on Jan 15, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think crayton was talking about TO's comments, not JG.

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Jan 15, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Correction
That is a lot of money that Jerry will have to eat. $12 million bonus paid last year to Owens, plus ~$9 million salary this year.

I don’t believe they eat this year’s salary. If they cut him, he does not get a 2009 salary from Dallas. But the accelerations in bonus offset that amount. That is why you hear that cutting Owens would result in him counting $680,000 more against the cap. The comparison is (prorated bonus + roster bonus + 2009 salary) vs. (accelerated bonus). There’s a $680,000 difference in these two sides of the equation.

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by Raul Villaronga on Jan 15, 2009 8:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's correct Raul.

If TO gets cut, his 2009 salary is off the books. But it will be a negative cap hit because of the accelerated signing bonus. Still, a $680K cap hit isn’t much to pay to get rid of the distraction.

by DannyWhite on Jan 15, 2009 10:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I stand corrected.

Their salary cap gets hit for ~$9 million, but no money out the door.

by NCCowboy on Jan 16, 2009 7:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Two of the best personnel guys ever…

The Redskins former GM Bobby Beathard and Scott Pioli. These two have a total of 7 Super Bowls titles. Beathard won 2 with the Dolphins in the 70’s and 2 with the Redskins in the 80’s, (and brought the Chargers to another in ’94). Pioli has 3 with the Pats. These types of guys don’t grow on trees however so I don’t expect the Cowboys to just hand pick someone of that caliber.

They certainly had an impressive draft last season and I was also happy with their free agent pickups the year before.

It is the area of play design and play calling that I was most frustrated last season. Who knows, perhaps the fault does not lie with Garrett but I lost a lot of confidence in him last season.

0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.

by gee-roj on Jan 15, 2009 2:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I sincerely believe with T.O. gone

Garrett can open up the offense to Tony, rather than trying to keep T.O. happy

by quincyyyyy on Jan 15, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

not only that, without T.O.

Romo can become the leader everyone wants him to be. With T.O. on the team, I believe players are afraid to verbally take control because they’re afraid of what T.O. might do.

Bottom line is that T.O. has become the most powerful individual in the organization outside Jerry Jones, and thats simply not a good thing.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 15, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I can see that..

I can’t imagine TO letting Romo come up to him and work out the miscommunication on the sideline.

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 15, 2009 4:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What kind of great leader is scared to approach a team mate?

It shouldnt take TO leaviing for Romo to stand up and take charge

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 16, 2009 6:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

IF YOU'RE LOOKIN FOR ME...I'M AT THE SCRIP CLUB WITH PACMAN.

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 16, 2009 11:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Beathard

was not the top guy in Miami. He won in Washington, and had a great coach with him.

Pioli didn’t do it alone. He and Belichick are like brothers. See Belichick’s comments on Pioli’s leaving yesterday. Let’s see how he does solo.

Jerry 2.0 is better than Jerry 1.0, but if Garrett is really worth his salt, he’ll have to stand his ground and be an organizational leader.

If he’s going all Machiavelli on us trying to dump Owens and wrest more control from Wade, then I welcome it. Tha’ts just the type of coach this organization needs.

by Rafael Vela on Jan 15, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think there is going to be much of a debate when all is said and done

If Stephen wants T.O. out, I’d be very very surprised if Jerry went against the wishes of his son. Like I mentioned in a previous: Jerry wanted Hardy, Stephen told his father to chill out, and we ended up with Martellus Bennet.

I think it’s wrong to say what Jerry wants Jerry gets; it’s really what Stephen wants Stephen gets. I really get the impression that the past few years Jerry has been the face of the franchise but Stephen pulls all the strings whether Jerry realizes it or not.

by quincyyyyy on Jan 15, 2009 2:37 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

He'll be running the team when Jerry eventually passes

and Jerry knows that and wants to keep the team in family.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 15, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow... so....

When did Jerry personally share these feelings with you?

0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.

by gee-roj on Jan 15, 2009 3:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think its obvious

since his right hand man in the organization is his son, thats the logical outcome.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 15, 2009 3:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I know...

I kid with you Terry… I kid….

0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.

by gee-roj on Jan 16, 2009 7:19 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It doesn't take a genius to realize that

Stephen will be given control of the organization when Jerry retires

by quincyyyyy on Jan 15, 2009 3:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

IMO, he should be given control now

Stephen Jones would make a great GM, hopefully Jerry will at least defer to his judgment more and more and especially on this T.O. issue.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 15, 2009 3:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think if he really wanted something and he had most of the staff behind him

he could put his foot down and Jerry would concede. And from what I have read he greatly influences Jerry’s thinking. I would liken his control over Jerry to that of a spoiled child’s control over a parent, sans the spoiled part.

by quincyyyyy on Jan 15, 2009 8:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Raf, you forgot to add B Stew to your list

How the hell does he still have a job?

Also I was never Pro Parcells so I don’t have “Short Term” Amneisa. Bill was good at drafting but that T Rex couldn’t coach anymore. We need a GM desperately! We need a Safety desperately! and we need someone with the initals T.O to get lost!

Let T.O. Go!

by Captain Comeback on Jan 15, 2009 2:38 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

nice article

However, I am not sure what you are getting at with your first point. Are you saying we should not want Jerry to bring in a “football guy” because football guys do not always produce super bowls? If that is the case, you misunderstand those like myself who would like to see Jerry get some help. Of course we all want another super bowl. But what we really want is a good GM that puts us in a better position to win (according to your article, that’s the best we can hope for and i agree). But Jerry is not that guy. Just look at what Jerry 2.0 has done since Bill left (here i could catalog all the bad signings, extensions, hirings, trades, etc.). I don’t think Jerry is horrible and clueless, I just think he needs help in the form of a strong personality. Now Garrett may be that guy. But we know Phillips is not that guy. Therefore, Jerry needs to get beyond his paralysis and elevate Garrett. Let Garrett bring in his own DC, cut TO, and let the chips fall where they may.

by dave33 on Jan 15, 2009 2:39 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I think he means that having a football guy gurantees you nothing more than what this team has

that is having the players to be playoff contenders, other than being in contention a football guy does not gurantee you championships.

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by cowboy78 on Jan 15, 2009 3:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I’m ready to play poker.
 I’d rather lose with what your saying than lose with T.O.

Let T.O. Go!

by Captain Comeback on Jan 15, 2009 2:41 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

exactly

Winning a super bowl isn’t everything. I just want to root for a team that works hard, gives maximum effort, and takes pride in their fans. I would rather lose with guts and class than win with a collection of mercenaries. But what am i saying, we are not winning with our mercenaries.

by dave33 on Jan 15, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You say that but when you get it, its still not enough. When we were winning SBs

People were bitching we werent winning convincingly enough. We didnt blow everyone out.

by squidlo97 on Jan 15, 2009 3:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I remember that BS

and that’s all it was. I remember Emmitt being asked after Super Bowl 30 why he only had 49 rushing yards. I remember thinking: what a joke., we just won a SB but this clown thinks Emmitt is concerned about his stats. So I think that was a media creation—if the Cowboys are winning, then you critique how they win. For the fans, after the last 13 seasons, I hope that we’ve gained some perspective.

by dave33 on Jan 15, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

-1

Winning a SB is everything

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 16, 2009 6:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Tex 4 Garrett

Tex has had the privilege of dining with Mr. Garrett and the kid is impressive. Being locked in a coordinator’s booth doesn’t allow for Jason’s fire and emotion to show through. The Princeton-trained Garrett is exactly who the Cowboys need leading this franchise for the next decade.

JG is better suited to be a head coach than an assistant, see Singletary. Barack Obama was limited, if not lost, in the Senate, but on the World’s center state he proved to be a leader of men. Garrett will do the same… unlike Wade, Jason has “it”.

Tex is hoping that Garrett gets an offer from the St. Louis Rams of Anaheim, forcing Jerry to end this Wade Phillips experiment. He should have done it last year when the great Garrett had Capers and Cameron lined up as coordinators. Tex 4 Garrett.

by Montecito Tex on Jan 15, 2009 2:46 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

when Tex says...

Tex was dining with Mr. Garrett…..did Tex mean Tex waited on his table?? did Mr. Garrett tip Tex well?

by McLovin9 on Jan 15, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

LOL!!!

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 15, 2009 3:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

haha

"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips

by MrMinority on Jan 15, 2009 3:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you want

fries with that, Mr. Garrett?

Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.

by OskieOskie on Jan 15, 2009 5:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

rec

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by hinduplaya on Jan 16, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

garrett doesn't deserve it...

but i really do think that he should have been promoted to HC following the baltimore/philly disasters. wade clearly can’t rally a team around him and garrett is young, has the upside potential, has the team history. plus jerry practically begged him to stay only a year ago, pretty much castrating wade in the process… so at least give him a chance now. and the move would still qualify as “continuity.”

there was a moment on the ‘hard knocks’ series where garrett is addressing the team about the 2007 season and how if it weren’t for this or that play, this or that could have gone differently and he said something like: “f@%k that. no more excuses. let’s just win.” that was nice to hear.

by Barbie Carpenter on Jan 15, 2009 2:55 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

i saw that too. and that definitely got my attention. may have been a glimpse of how he'd be as an HC

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by silverblue5 on Jan 15, 2009 3:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Also remember

Garrett “grew up” in the league under Aikman. I believe that also had to have an effect on his demeanor.

So I’m not as dismissive as you …

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by Raul Villaronga on Jan 16, 2009 5:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

notice that i said "may have" been a glimpse...

did i say that i think he’s tough now?

and i’ve noticed that you’ve had quite a few derogatory comments aimed at me.

what’s up with that? why U gotta be starting something?

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by silverblue5 on Jan 16, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Garrett

I would rather keep Garrett (preferably as head coach) and lose Owens than have Garrett go somewhere else. He’ll probably turn out to be an excellent head coach. And I bet he would put together a great staff too.

by Blammo on Jan 15, 2009 2:57 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Don't talk to me about Garrett

being the head coach here. It makes the most sense, doesn’t it? If there are so many interested teams in JG as head coach, why has he not been promoted after the season Hillbilly Clown had?

In terms JJ would understand, the decision that would make the most sense is making JG the head coach right now. That would provide JJ his “continuity” argument he loves to use re: Hillbilly. Noone could argue with his decision to promote from wtihin right now. But there is something Jerry doesn’t feel comfortable with and I don’t know what that would be. Any thoughts?

by cow_fanatic on Jan 15, 2009 3:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Can't run an offense?

With Romo under center, the Cowboys averaged 25 points and gained 370 yards per game. Someone was doing something right.

by NCCowboy on Jan 16, 2009 10:03 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Lions hire Jim Schwartz

One less option for Garrett, although, I think we all new he wasn’t headed there

Muschamp seems like the kind of guy who used to beat up guys like Bob Stoops in high school.

by TheJeezus on Jan 15, 2009 3:07 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Love your insights, Raf.

Out-freakin-standing post!!!

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by silverblue5 on Jan 15, 2009 3:11 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

No direction

JJ hires JG prior to hiring Hillbilly

JJ then makes JG the highest paid coordinator in the NFL

This is now the second year in a row JJ has been incapable of pulling the trigger and making JG the HC. Do we really think that JG’s lack of experience would preclude him from doing a better job than Hillbilly Clown did this year? I am not saying I am an advocate for JG to take over and have not been clammoring for that. However, I would give just about anyone other than Crennell a chance than keep Hillbilly Clown

by cow_fanatic on Jan 15, 2009 3:21 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

You need

to consult a map if you think Wade Phillips is or ever has been a “hillbilly.”

OTOH I guess if you are going to insult someone without good reason, geography doesn’t matter.

Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.

by OskieOskie on Jan 15, 2009 5:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Where

do you think he’s from and does that matter when you consider mannerisms and intelligence. You think he’s a well-spoken individual in his press conferences or the locker room? Lighten up and hillbilly is short for Hillbill Clown, as in HC, as in head coach or as close to it as he gets

by cow_fanatic on Jan 15, 2009 6:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

what?

I read your post 4 times, and i don’t understand any of it. But please don’t feel like you need to explain it to me, though.

by Joey2zs on Jan 15, 2009 6:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

and...

I have good reason to insult him. Look at the ‘08-’09 season

by cow_fanatic on Jan 15, 2009 6:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Jerry 1.0 to Wade 2.0

Great job per usual Mr. Vela.

It sure seems to me that drafting changed for the better after Larry Lacewell was let go thus ending Jerry 1.0. Even though Bill & Jerry missed on a lot of draft picks after that, particularly OL, things improved dramatically with their drafts, albeit the 1st rounders we had during that period sure made it easier. Jerry 2.0 has been quite impressive, ala 2008 draft and 2007 free agents. I see the common denominator as Lacewell, with him in Jerry’s ear, it sure made Jerry look bad as a GM, without him, Jerry looks much better sans Lacewell.

I also didn’t mind the Galloway trade Jerry made, as unpopular as that was in hindsight from the blown knee. It would have looked a lot smarter had Parcells not ran him off for Keyshawn, Galloway had much better stats than Keyshawn and was a better value as it ended up. The double hit is why I think many regret the original trade. Yes two number ones is a lot, but you can’t predict the blown knee, the talent was there. How good would it be had he not blown the knee and lost two years and played for the last 10 years?

I just want to open the new stadium with a team that represents the future, TO isn’t that anymore, was always just a mercenary. Yes, it is great to win the big war but how many of us would feel better to do it with true believers and our own homegrown talent sprinkled with good character free agents? Jerry warmed me to the idea of TO originally by comparing him to Haley and Neon. But, I would like a new beginning and leave that baggage behind and the aura that it seems to bring; along with Pac and Tank.

I’m on the fence as to Wade. Shall we go total new beginning with Garrett or a rerun of the past 3 unhappy endings? Is it a win now situation or can Wade 2.0 work? Will it be a short term gain versus long term pain if we lose Garrett?

by StarMaterial on Jan 15, 2009 3:23 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Answer

If JG leaves you allow the annointed future HC of this team leave to coach someplace else after making him the highest paid coordinator in the NFL for…….Wade Phllips and continuity? Doesn;t make sense unless we are biding our time for Cowher in 2010

by cow_fanatic on Jan 15, 2009 3:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

its funny...

how the opinions sway from firing Garrett or being happy he leaves for HC elsewhere to making him the HC here and getting rid of TO

isn’t the better option somewhere in between???

like leave Garrett as OC and maybe get him some help – maybe someone that can help Romo with his mental defects (not protecting the ball, throwing picks in the endzone, chucking up ducks to Ed Reed)….somebody that can manage TO and keep him off ESPN/NFL Network and away from Deion interviews

and then get us a real HC – someone who will put the fear of god into players, motivate them and push them to the next level, give them the ‘come to jesus’ speech….

by McLovin9 on Jan 15, 2009 3:23 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

because that guy is NOT JG....

you can already see that these guys (crayton, TO, RW2, Romo) dont respect this guy….how are they going to respond to him as HC????

sure get rid of TO – but are you going to get rid of these other guys too? they were all questioning JG’s playcalling/scheming in the press last season….this is going to go away with him as HC?

by McLovin9 on Jan 15, 2009 3:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

at some point u start cutting out cancers

I’d expect JG has his own list in case of such an event

by AustonianAggie on Jan 15, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

IF YOU'RE LOOKIN FOR ME...I'M AT THE SCRIP CLUB WITH PACMAN.

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 16, 2009 6:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

-1 LOL

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 16, 2009 10:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So

Mike McCarthy, Jack Del Rio, Bill Bellchick, Tony Dungy, Lovie Smith are all cancers?

It is the NFL some years you will fall short of expectations.

Remember we averaged 24 a game with Romo back there, the D allowed way to many points.

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 16, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Every coach falls short

But the big guys in Garretts offense including the quarterback, do not believe in him.

IF YOU'RE LOOKIN FOR ME...I'M AT THE SCRIP CLUB WITH PACMAN.

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 16, 2009 11:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 17, 2009 1:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

-1

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 16, 2009 6:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If Red stays

and TO is shown the door, I reckon the other guys you mention will respect Garrett PDQ.

Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.

by OskieOskie on Jan 15, 2009 5:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah we'll see...

Crayton, and Williams weren’t happy either, so don’t think Garrett will solve all the problems…

by joey7289 on Jan 15, 2009 7:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Uh, heh-heh, heh-heh. You said "Balls."

"I got a fever. And the only prescription is more cowbell." -- Bruce Dickinson

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by silverblue5 on Jan 16, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 16, 2009 6:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You're not going

to keep JG as a coordinator much longer, maybe not even another week. Besides, he wouldn’t stay here as OC if you hired another HC

by cow_fanatic on Jan 15, 2009 3:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

and the latest report have Minn DC- Frazier and NYG DC-Spagnuolo as two frontrunners for St. L HC job

"I got a fever. And the only prescription is more cowbell." -- Bruce Dickinson

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by silverblue5 on Jan 16, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

JG is flying over there today

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 16, 2009 6:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting point

Where was Wade Wilson this year. Is he that unskilled as a QB coach (I find that hard to believe for anybody who played NFL QB into his 40’s) or did he just not feel empowered to chew Romo’s a** out when he made stupid mistakes? I understand that Romo is Romo. But you should expect some positive progress through the year. Romo regressed. All I can imagine is that WW is on the staff to collect his paycheck and tell Romo that he’s doing a great job.

by JimmyJohnson on Jan 15, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think...

That its not so much a question of him regressing as much as it is the o-line.

I think its safe to say he would have done better if he wasn’t running for his life most of the year

by TLCM on Jan 15, 2009 5:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

True... But

In my (very unscientific opinion), early in the season when there was a free blitzer, he made the right decision 75% of the time. Late in the season, it was more like 25%. A QB coach’s job is to make his QB realize when he is making mistakes and work on ways to correct them. Romo sounded like he didn’t even realize he was making mistakes. I doubt he would have that attitude if a QB coach had chewed him for an hour.

by JimmyJohnson on Jan 15, 2009 5:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

In the beginning...

Of the season he was seeing very few rushers come free. The line was doing ok the first few weeks….

Once the protection fell apart, Romo started having a hard time for obvious reasons.

by TLCM on Jan 15, 2009 5:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

More or less

My argument is that its tough to judge how effective Wade Wilson was when his QB was under siege for much of the year…

by TLCM on Jan 15, 2009 5:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Jim Schwartz was hired in Detroit

Of the Lions don’t want Garrett, who does? Rex Ryan or Spagnuolo deserve the job in St. Louis more.

by ym on Jan 15, 2009 3:44 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Ryan's the frontrunner for da "J-E-T-S JETS! JETS! JETS!"

"I got a fever. And the only prescription is more cowbell." -- Bruce Dickinson

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by silverblue5 on Jan 15, 2009 3:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I

like Rotoworld taking shots at Wreder now!!

If the Cowboys cut Terrell Owens this offseason, he will count $680,000 more against their 2009 salary cap than if he were left on the roster.
ESPN’s Ed Werder reported late Wednesday that the Cowboys might consider cutting T.O. because otherwise they could “find it difficult to sign NFL sack leader DeMarcus Ware to a new contract.” Werder, again, is wrong. The Cowboys will actually have less money to play with if Owens is released.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by what_the_crap on Jan 15, 2009 4:27 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Or maybe. . .

Werder was just repeating exactly what our Owner/GM when asked about whether or not he would release Owens.

by NCCowboy on Jan 16, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe someone oughta keep score of the number of times Terder and BSPN are wrong!!!

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by silverblue5 on Jan 16, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

numbers from 2007 to 2008

I don’t have the numbers here, but we move from 2nd to 19 in points, from one of the best clubs in 3 and outs now we are the worst 7 out of 32, penalties we are 2nd worst, everything is worst in Wades and Garret 2nd year ! please don’t tell me is TO, these 2 clowns should go, we we should keep Wade as Defensive Coordinator.

by farawayfan66 on Jan 15, 2009 5:24 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Why?

Would wade possibly stick around for a demotion?

by TLCM on Jan 15, 2009 5:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

romeo crennel is

"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips

by MrMinority on Jan 15, 2009 5:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I

just don’t see Wade sticking around for that

by TLCM on Jan 15, 2009 5:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you think

Wade could find a HC position somewhere else? That’s why he would stay

by cow_fanatic on Jan 15, 2009 7:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

But not ussually with the same teams they were fired by

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 16, 2009 6:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Wade won’t stay, but great stats

by joey7289 on Jan 15, 2009 7:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

to think..

I went to the MNF game against the Iggles, an from dreaming about a Super Bowl run I end up crashing my dreams going to the Ravens game, man how I did waist money and time……

by farawayfan66 on Jan 15, 2009 5:26 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

yea after those first 3 games

i felt we were invincible
we were winning pretty convincingly even with mistakes
then we fell apart and fell further after the cards game
last year i didnt get nervous during every game i would watch and enjoy us beat down anyone in our way
this year, every play i was nervous or pacing around during the 4th quarter (except the seahawks game)

"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips

by MrMinority on Jan 15, 2009 5:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I know...

Exactly what you mean….rough season for anyone with a heart condition…

by TLCM on Jan 15, 2009 5:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If nothing else....

If the O-line performs like they should next season, and injuries don’t afflict us like the plague…

We should be back in the playoffs…

Go Hudson go!

Having Kosier healthy will help too

by TLCM on Jan 15, 2009 5:43 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

If the rumors are true.........

Garrett is my new favorite coach……..that would take big ones to say to Jerry……someone who is confident in there abilities would do something like this……..Now if only Jerry would listen,…..

by jvw on Jan 15, 2009 7:05 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Good eye JG
Reports from last year’s Senior Bowl had him singling out Donny Avery and Eddie Royal as desirable WR targets, and they were impressive as rookies.

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 15, 2009 7:44 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

lol...good eye ? I believe every scout and their mama, including me thought they would be successful WR's.

Also proclaimed Desean Jackson would have a great rookie debut. btw, If anyone followed the Senior Bowl last season, they too would have known about Avery and Royal. So that comment or quote holds no weight as to determining Garretts talent assessment skills. After all , He is the one that told Jerry he would be just fine with Brad Johnson being our back up QB. enough said.

by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 16, 2009 5:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Drafting successful WRs in the first couple of rounds . . .

has proven to be one of the most difficult crapshoots in the scouting business.

by NCCowboy on Jan 16, 2009 10:05 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Normally I don't like to say this

Because nobody likes to hear it, but I have been saying this all along. Garrett is our guy. He is a shrewd judge of talent, and we can ill afford to lose the guy that gave us such a rich draft last year. It could be said that Wade got lucky with Scandrick. He did pick Jenkins in the first round, and while Jenkins may end up being great, the signs were a little scary. Wade’s last defensive pick was Spencer, and that’s looking scary. I say we had a great draft because Garrett got us Felix, Tashard, and Martellus. On offensive draft picks we raked. I want JG to be our next HC. I want him in the war room every April. I want to give this man the chance he deserves. I can’t BELIEVE how quickly Cowboys fans are calling for heads. KNOCK IT OFF!!!

That being said, if you want to call for someone’s head, call for the right head. I would celebrate if Dallas got rid of TO. He was good for a while, but the rumor from someone in the locker room is we don’t know the half of what that guy does behind closed doors. I’m tired of seeing him drop the ball, then bitch for more passes. He was 28th in the league in catches, and didn’t even break the top FIFTY in yards per catch. We threw 140 passes at TO this year, and he had a 49% catch rate. He’d have set a new NFL record for receptions if he could do what he thinks he can do. Drop TO for principle, and let the man with the plan, Jason Garrett, continue imprinting his style on the team.

The gods are just, and of our pleasant vices make instruments to plague us.
William Shakespeare

by Lunging Wolf on Jan 15, 2009 7:46 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

But he didn't have 70 drops

His drops were in the teens. And he didn’t even have the most drops. Some of the passes the Romo threw were just way off. Especially Brad Johnson’s.
I’m not sure where you’re getting the “didn’t even break the top FIFTY in yards per catch” figure. His YPC is more than Fitzgerald’s.
TO: http://www.nfl.com/players/terrellowens/profile?id=OWE755129
Larry: http://www.nfl.com/players/larryfitzgerald/profile?id=FIT437493

This chart is just plain wrong:
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?season=2008&seasonType=POST&d-447263-o=2&conference=null&tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=RECEIVING&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=RECEIVING_AVERAGE_YARDS&d-447263-n=1

by ym on Jan 15, 2009 8:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Here's the official stats from NFL.com

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&seasonType=REG&d-447263-o=2&conference=null&statisticCategory=RECEIVING&d-447263-s=RECEIVING_AVERAGE_YARDS&experience=null&d-447263-n=1&season=2008&qualified=true&Submit=Go&tabSeq=0&d-447263-p=1

Sorry, its a very long link. He was 52nd in the league in yards per catch. You can say he didn’t drop 70 passes, but he was thrown to 140 times and he had 69 catches. I don’t know what you’re point is, but he really stunk it up this year, then screamed at everyone else about it. This is not who I want on my team.

The gods are just, and of our pleasant vices make instruments to plague us.
William Shakespeare

by Lunging Wolf on Jan 15, 2009 8:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately

You’ll have to copy and paste the whole link into your web address bar. The link only goes so far, but the entire web address actually brings you to where the receivers are sorted by yards per catch.

The gods are just, and of our pleasant vices make instruments to plague us.
William Shakespeare

by Lunging Wolf on Jan 15, 2009 8:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

One last point ym

I don’t want to drill you to death, but you post links that have nothing to do with my point. Finally on your third try you post a link that proves my point and say its wrong? Those are the official NFL stats, my friend. You can be a fan of TO, and have the opinion that he should stay for whatever reason you want, but you can’t argue that what I said was wrong. It was exactly right. And beyond that, I knew it before I dug up the stats to prove it. I just don’t understand why someone would want a player that stinks, and bitches, and poisons, then blames everyone but himself. Maybe I’m too logical, I don’t know, but to me it’s really clear what’s going on here.

The gods are just, and of our pleasant vices make instruments to plague us.
William Shakespeare

by Lunging Wolf on Jan 15, 2009 9:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You are "too" logical

the other side is argueing from emotion.
They love the dude.

by Realist Larry on Jan 15, 2009 11:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

-1

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 16, 2009 6:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That top 50 list of yards per catch is pure nonsense

Yamon Figurs had 1 catch that was for 43 yards for the whole year. That’s why he’s #1. Are you going to say that Yamon Figurs had a higher catch rate than TO because he probably caught everything?
What matters is his dropped passes. His low catch rate indicates to me that Romo’s passes were just way off. In fact, Romo’s completion rate was down this year slightly. I remember when the NFL Network crew was recapping the Ravens-Cowboys game, they showed a play where Romo threw a pass way over TO’s head into the sideline. Sanders joked at whether that pass counts towards the passes thrown to him.

by ym on Jan 15, 2009 9:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Granted

I’m not disagreeing on that point. I’ll even give you Romo missing Owens on 20 passes. Hell, what if Romo “just plain missed him” on half of those. He didn’t but lets just say for arguments sake that Romo missed him 35 times. (trying not to laugh) Owens won’t take responsibility for any of the other 35. None of them.

Now, even if you throw out everyone on the list with less than 20 catches, which I have no problem doing, which I don’t have to because those are the official 2008 stats, he’s still in the 20s. There are guys I’ve never heard of in front of him.

Listen, we can agree to disagree on Owens, I’m fine with that. But my take is that he can’t get off press coverage, he has average hands at best, he runs poor routes, he divides the locker room, he goes on national shows and blames other people, and a good portion of the team just plain doesn’t want him around anymore.

The gods are just, and of our pleasant vices make instruments to plague us.
William Shakespeare

by Lunging Wolf on Jan 15, 2009 9:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I already did.

Larry had 96 catches. TO had 69. Larry runs great routes, Larry fights for the ball. Larry takes a hit. yada yada yada. Your stats don’t speak to my point. We can go around all night, but I have better things to do. I get it, you want TO around.

The gods are just, and of our pleasant vices make instruments to plague us.
William Shakespeare

by Lunging Wolf on Jan 15, 2009 9:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What are you trying to prove?

Larry plays in a pass first offense. TO takes hits—he’s a physical receiver. Running bad routes and not fighting for the ball, he’s still one of the top receivers in history. You use catches and drops to show he’s a lousy receiver, but what about his touchdowns. Does that mean anything?
You’re just picking Owens’s defects here and there and using them as a reason to get rid of him. What about Larry? TO may be cancer in the locker room but Larry is women beater. I can imagine Larry taking his fist and punching his girlfriend’s pregnant tummy someday.
Yada, yada, yada, yada—I want TO to stay.

by ym on Jan 15, 2009 9:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

according to a poll posted here in another post...OVER 75 % of us want him here.

You are in the very small minority my friend.

no matter how you wish to manipulate the stats of TO, official and unofficial as they may be, even in a down year for him, he put up better numbers than 85% of all the WR’s in the league could ever dream of approaching.

by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 16, 2009 5:35 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

T.O.'s average of 15.2

was 15th in the NFL. Not too shabby. Tied for 3rd in receiving TDs with 10.

by DavidH22 on Jan 15, 2009 9:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

1st in poisoning teams

Felix Jones, Tashard Choice, Marion Barber, Jason Witten, Roy Williams, Martellus Bennett, Miles Austin, Sam Hurd. We would survive.

The gods are just, and of our pleasant vices make instruments to plague us.
William Shakespeare

by Lunging Wolf on Jan 15, 2009 9:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Your stat doesn't account for all receivers.

Only receivers with over 50 catches. You should point that out.

The gods are just, and of our pleasant vices make instruments to plague us.
William Shakespeare

by Lunging Wolf on Jan 15, 2009 9:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

There were 32

32 receivers with over 50 catches. That’s pretty average don’t you think?

The gods are just, and of our pleasant vices make instruments to plague us.
William Shakespeare

by Lunging Wolf on Jan 15, 2009 9:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I used 2 catches per game

or 32, so he was probably 15th out of 60. I also noticed an odd stat about TO, only 55% of his catches were for first downs. Ha, that’s probably because he had so many of those damned throws at the line of scrimmage that turned out to be 1-3 yard gains.

by DavidH22 on Jan 15, 2009 9:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Here's another way to look at it.

He was 7th in the league in total passes thrown his way, and 28th in receptions. The disparity in that stat is pretty telling too. I just think there’s more of a downside than any upside he’s giving us.

Beyond that I see quite an upside with the players we already have in place, let alone allowing Garrett to bring us another WR in the draft. I just don’t see where this team loses anything with TO gone.

I want to keep Garrett more than I want to drop TO, but this team doesn’t need the headache. If Garrett truly wants him gone, I am on board with that.

The gods are just, and of our pleasant vices make instruments to plague us.
William Shakespeare

by Lunging Wolf on Jan 15, 2009 9:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Remove some receivers

I removed the receivers who had single-digit catches. Typically you have to have a minimum number of catches to apply to a statistical analysis. That removes 25 players, meaning that Owens would actually be 26th (tie at 25).

Out of those remaining, Owens (10) and Calvin Johnson (12) are the only ones with double-digit TDs. Greg Jennings has 9 and Roddy White, Vincent Jackson and Bernard Berrian have 7.

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by Raul Villaronga on Jan 15, 2009 9:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting. 26th.

I was willing to concede anyone with less than 50 catches, and it still didn’t get TO anywhere near to the top 10 being that generous with the stats. His TD totals have always been good, but they weren’t winning games for us this year. A few of those TDs I specifically remember were meaningless in the games because we lost big in those games.

At any rate, I knew there were a lot of people that want TO around before my original statement, and they certainly proved that with their responses. So after an hour of hashing stats, and sorting in a variety of ways, and listening to the points of many, I’m sorry, but I’m no closer to seeing where the value in TO is for our team. I do appreciate the intelligent conversation from all of you, though.

The gods are just, and of our pleasant vices make instruments to plague us.
William Shakespeare

by Lunging Wolf on Jan 15, 2009 10:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Good try

but you just can’t change anyone’s mind.
They are convinced this guy is the only reason we’re above .500!

by Realist Larry on Jan 15, 2009 11:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd contend

that if you’re not above .500, you’re not going to the Super Bowl anyway… Especially in the NFC East…

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by Raul Villaronga on Jan 16, 2009 5:35 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

good point

You also have look at SD, they LT with 11 rushing TD’s, ATL has Micheal turner 15+ tds’s, and bernard has Adrian Peterson 10+ tds..

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 15, 2009 10:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL WOW, What are you talking about ?

Since when did Jason Garrett make any selections in the draft ? Jerry Jones is the GM guy, don’t go thinking Garrett had anything to do with any of the players selected. PLEASE !! That is so blatantly untrue it’s beyond laughable. Even more laughable is your statement that TO wasn’t in the top 50 for yards per catch. Fact be known, that of all WR’s with 50 receptions or more, TO was 8th in the league with a very respectable 15.2 yards per catch. He was tied for 3rd with receptions over 40 yards, He was tied for 3rd in TD receptions. Your point ? Sure, TO supposedly had 140 balls thrown in his direction, I would contest that at least 30 were nowhere near being catchable, 30 more were with DB’s drapped all over him breaking them up 30 yards down field with Safety help, and about 10 or so he should have caught and dropped. So what’s your point ? Are you Jason Garrett in disguise ? You have to be. “Imprinting his style” , I love it. oh boy

by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 16, 2009 5:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The fact is you blind TO lovers have no idea what real impact he has on the team

The question about him is what affect he has in the locker room and distracting the team. You can argue pro and con about his stats all day, what’s the point? His stats say he’s a good receiver. Big deal, there are at least 10 others in the league you could argue have similar stats.

To blindly ignore the possibility that he MAY be causing big problems behind the scenes is childish. If he is undermining coaches and other players and splitting the locker room, those are problems. None of us really know. Any adult who has been part of any work “team” knows the performance of the team is about how all the parts function working together. A “team” of average performers who are going in the same direction with purpose will outperform a team of distracted super stars EVERY SINGLE TIME.

None of us know the truth about how much TO is distracting this team. I’m sure Jerry does and so do others inside the organization. If he is, I say cut him today and good riddance. If he is not, he should stay.

by StillHateTheGiants on Jan 16, 2009 7:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

L.O. freaking L. yourself

I find it hilarious that the very next day after I made all these points about TO that Jimmy Johnson and Troy Aikman both came out and said virtually the same things that I was saying. Yeah, “Numba” and others, I was a too quick at the draw on the top 50 stats, (even though if you just sort for ypc, he IS 52, it should be tempered by some number of total receptions, like 30 or more,) but every other word uttered about TO was spot on, and now we have two professionals, who pay closer attention the Cowboys than probably any others in the business saying the same thing.

And by the way, “Numba” you go to another team. I’ve been a fan of this team probably longer than you’ve been on this planet. What happened? No backwards R on your keyboard?

The gods are just, and of our pleasant vices make instruments to plague us.
William Shakespeare

by Lunging Wolf on Jan 17, 2009 9:08 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

NFL Network crew discusses T.O.

they all agree to keep him
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80e24da7

and jamie dukes calls out ed werder in a way

"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips

by MrMinority on Jan 15, 2009 7:51 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Media Bad! Don't drink their koolaid! Dumb media!

Unless they agree with my point.
Then I post link and say , “See, I’m right!”

by Realist Larry on Jan 15, 2009 11:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

and that's why i said NFL Network > BSPN

BSPN SUCKS!

"I got a fever. And the only prescription is more cowbell." -- Bruce Dickinson

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by silverblue5 on Jan 16, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Screw Werder

Guy thinks he freaking Edward R. Murrow.

by Boundforbeach on Jan 15, 2009 8:03 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Machiavelli = Garrett

Its an acceptable comparison in my eyes if the guy gets results.

I’m not so sure he will though.

by THEjarhead on Jan 15, 2009 8:26 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hey BoyzRback...

I’m so tired of fighting this battle I just can’t muster up the enthusiam to lay out yet again all the reasons why JJ is a football guy. You want to take this one and I’ll get the next one a month down the road?

by Cowboy Louie on Jan 15, 2009 8:33 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'm not going to poop my opinion out because

everything has been rehashed ad nauseum. I would like to say I thoroughly enjoy Rafeals’ posts though. They make me think even when I don’t want to.

by Benthere on Jan 15, 2009 9:09 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Can someone explain to me

The difference between a “football guy” and a “non-football guy” ?

Or maybe the question should be; what quality does a “football guy” possess which a “non football guy” does not?

Is it time on the sideline?

by ThryceCubed on Jan 15, 2009 9:49 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I guess it's picking out guys like Eddie Royal

When I said last year, Matt Forte was the real deal…does that make me a football guy?

by joey7289 on Jan 15, 2009 9:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Can Jerry

Come out and settle this debate, so we can move on..

I guess JG’s status goes in to the decision.

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 15, 2009 10:46 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

someone starts a “The Great JG Debate” fanpost …

JUST KIDDING, FOLKS!!! 8-)

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by Raul Villaronga on Jan 16, 2009 5:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

TO & Draft

Who knows if all the TO rumors are true or not. I would go out on a limb and guess that Jerry & Stephen have already talked about what to do with Owens. A lot of our problems were caused by the OL. May be if Romo had just a little more time to throw things would have been different. Go back & look at most of the games – Romo was running for his life this year. I just can’t understand why our OL took a big step back this year. I know loosing Koiser hurt but damn, the entire OL took a step back.

New Mock:

2. Rashad Johnson, FS, Alabama – http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/s/Rashad-Johnson.php

3. Eric Wood, OC, Louisville – http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/c/Eric-Wood.php

4. Cody Brown, OLB, Connecticut – http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/de/Cody-Brown.php

4. Worrell Williams, ILB, California – (scrool down on this page) http://walterfootball.com/draft2009ILB.php

5. Alex Magee, DT, Purdue – http://purduesports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/magee_alex00.html

5. C.J. Davis, OG, Pittsburgh – http://pittsburghpanthers.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/davis_cj00.html

6. David Johnson, QB, Tulsa – http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/players/david-johnson/114143

7. Allen Langford, CB, Wisconsin – http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=72672&draftyear=2009&genpos=CB

by tyler2 on Jan 15, 2009 10:51 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

i LOVE Johnson

From Bama but not to fond on David Johnson.

by joey7289 on Jan 15, 2009 11:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Rashad Johnson=Beast

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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 16, 2009 6:26 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I have a problem with..

..grown men who act like children. Last year we went 13-3 and love was in the air. This year, TO is poisoning the locker room with his bad attitude and Jason Garrett is threatening to quit if he has to share with TO?

Sheesh!

Is TO hard too take sometimes? Of course.

I work and have worked with people I don’t particularly like…sometimes they are negative, sometimes they say bad things about the company..they have no effect on me. They have their deal, I have mine. Does TO really have such a magnetic, powerful, charismatic personality that he can make other guys who are making millions, stop playing? He’s a powerful, influential guy. Secretary of State material.

Would Garrett actually be so weak that TO’s personality can over-power him? Would Garrett actually issue an ultimatum that sounds like a 7th grader? “You have to choose between him or me, he makes me so angry.” Usually, if people give ultimatums, they get shown the door.

I’m obviously over stating the case a bit, but these are two grown men, making millions. Their end goal is the same.

Do you know what would happen in the military if you went to your platoon sarge and said, “I don’t like private Owens/Garrett, we can’t get along.”? The Sarge would move things around, and you would not only be rack mates, but you two would be partners on EVERY detail. The net result is, the sarge makes you ‘man-up’ and learn to work together.

It seems like if two really young guys (E-1s in the military) and really old guys (me) can suck it up and find a way to get along with co-workers…these two guys ought to be able to ‘man-up’ as well.

"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams

by Jim Vance on Jan 15, 2009 11:22 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

good point

jim vance is a cool name btw
just seems official

"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips

by MrMinority on Jan 15, 2009 11:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, it is official

officially my name!

"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams

by Jim Vance on Jan 15, 2009 11:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe..

just not aware of it.

"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams

by Jim Vance on Jan 16, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Most people in the NFL have ADD

Jim, you have to understand that most of the people in the NFL, especially the players, have ADD. Distractions, distractions, distractions! They can’t deal with distractions. I work with some annoying people, but I get through work. Some coworkers probably find me annoying, but they get through work, too. I have problems outside of work, but I still get the job done. But grown men in the NFL can’t.

by ym on Jan 15, 2009 11:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1000000 Jim

this is all nonsense.

by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 16, 2009 5:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

JV - I respectfully disagree with a lot of your comments

I love your posts, almost always agree.

It doesn’t cut it with me for a bunch of posters to say they deal with co-workers they dislike. The fact is most people work for mediocre companies and are probably mediocre themselves. I’ll throw myself in that group. None of us or our companies are judged by the standards of the NFL, every Sunday you either win or lose and get “eliminated” at some point if our competition is better than us. There is no margin for error, you win or lose in the NFL. Most of us don’t work in those conditions, we and our companies can easily exist by being the equivalent of 8-8 (or worse).

I also bet your description of JG’s conversation with Jerry is not accurate. Instead of portraying it as JG crying like a 7th grader, it might have gone something like “this guy is dividing the locker room and undermining coaches and players and we will not get to where we want to go with his behavior” “If I stay I will not allow that behavior to continue”. He may be bright enough to know from what happened over the entire course of TO’s career that the behavior will not change so a “he must go” solution is the only solution.

by StillHateTheGiants on Jan 16, 2009 8:05 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, and...

I respectfully respect your right to disagree. I did say that I was overstating the case a bit and I’m asking more questions than making statements…but what I was trying to do was boil things down to it’s most basic elements. Two grown men, sharing common goals (winning and making money) …it just seems that is a formula for cooperation. AND, if neither man can find it within himself to move towards the middle and work with the other guy, it seems to point out flaws with-in that particular man or men.

But I value your opinion as I do that of the other posters and I thank you again for the kind words.

"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams

by Jim Vance on Jan 16, 2009 8:42 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I respectfully disagree with one statement . . .

“Their end goal is the same.” I don’t believe the end goal for Garrett and Owens is exactly the same. They both want to win, but in my opinion I believe Owens wants to win and be the focal point of the offense—Garrett wants to win period. If Owens is not the focal point, I don’t believe he is happy whether or not we win. And I do believe he is resistant to coaching. Two data points to consider:

(1) Remember Todd Haley? Owens and Haley didn’t get along at all. Why? Haley is doing quite well in Arizona as the offensive coordinator now. I don’t recall any sideline shouting matches between Haley and Fitzgerald.

(2) Listen to Owens’ surrogate, Patrick Crayton on ESPN yesterday. When asked whether Owens respects Garrett, Crayton replied as follows: “I think he respects him to a degree. I’m not sure exactly. You really have to ask him how much he really respects him totally. I’m not sure if he respects him totally because of some of the comments and some of the things that happened throughout the season.” Can you imagine Garrett going to the media whining that Owens has said and done some things that caused him not to respect Owens?

by NCCowboy on Jan 16, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yup,

Todd Haley has two excellent receivers in Bolden and Fitz and evrything seems to be going great. But it was a love fest here when we were winning.

Your point is well made though. Sort of on a related note, I heard Andy Reid interviewed yesterday and one thing he said stuck with me. He said that when they were down..5 – 5 I think, he said the Iggles pulled together instead of blowing up like some other teams. I took that as a thinly veiled reference to the Cowboys. Our team is missing something…I’m just not sure if the fault lies with TO, Garrett, Wade..other players, Jerry.. I’m just not sure.

It’s rarely just one thing or one person. Will getting rid of TO really cure our ills?

I’m just wondering why we can’t all take a deep breath, heal our wounds internally, and go after ’09 with a vengeance?

"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams

by Jim Vance on Jan 16, 2009 11:19 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hi…

Speculate much?

0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.

by gee-roj on Jan 16, 2009 11:50 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, but . . .

its always informed speculation.

by NCCowboy on Jan 16, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

TO

Wants to win a Super Bowl, Hence why he risked his entire career in Philly to play in one. Be a focal point of the offesense, when we went 13-3 and TO didn’t get the ball was he complaining? No.

by joey7289 on Jan 16, 2009 12:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't have ADD.....

…maybe that’s why I never got to play in the NFL!?!? and I always thought it was because I was under 6’, slow and cried when I got tackled.

"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams

by Jim Vance on Jan 16, 2009 12:14 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

TO is a symptom, not the disease

This whole cutting TO and everybody will practice harder is illogical. The disease is Coach Cupcake. The lack of chemistry, aka in fighting between players is what happens when the leader doesn’t want to take the responsibility for the power he has. Remember spiderman’s quote “with great power comes great responsibility.” Coach Cupcake treats his player like men aka does take responsibility for making them practice hard, show up to meetings, pay attention. He assumes they all do, and ignores it when they don’t. The result is the in fighting, TO flare ups, etc.. Getting rid of TO will not help any player pick up a blitz or make a tackle, or help focus anyone on playing the game. They played horribly against St. Louis, the Bengals and Washington when none of the TO stuff was at issue. Anything done this offseason, short of removing Coach cupcake is irrelevant.

by just4fun on Jan 16, 2009 12:24 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

You've been in the locker room?

I know your comments are the accepted wisdom but how do you know all this?

by StillHateTheGiants on Jan 16, 2009 8:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone knows everything

Because they are all in the locker room, and they all SEE TO screaming on the side lines, they know everything.

by joey7289 on Jan 16, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That said......

TO is old, and this or next off season Jerry needs to move on. Because a declining players don’t win superbowls, they just sell tickets for losing teams.

by just4fun on Jan 16, 2009 12:26 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Funny how opinions can change

in a matter of a few weeks. I do remember how many people wanted to get rid of Garret during the last month of the season, saying he wasn’t good, terrible decision making, too soft and scared to be a head coach. What a change. Is Garret great during off season and terrible during the season. Well, that seems to be a problem when your a coach in the NFL.
As for keeping TO, honestly, I don’t know. I kind of like the player, even if he is high maintenance. But I am glad to not have to make that decision.
One last thing, I agree with the post of JIm Vance above. If JC cannot stand to a player, or work his problem with him, then what ? Everytime he will be in that position he will cry to Jerry ? Better not sign long term contract with players in this case. I have nothing against Garret too, he was part of the 90’s Cowboys and that sounds good to me, but I am really not sure he is the answer.

by Helene on Jan 16, 2009 1:01 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

has anyone ever called our OC

Jason Carrot?
or did i seriously just think of that at 2 in the morning

"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips

by MrMinority on Jan 16, 2009 1:08 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Pretty clever..

Thong, Carrott, Tank, Pacman, Barbarian….it even sounds like a 3 ring circus.

"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams

by Jim Vance on Jan 16, 2009 8:29 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

when's the last time

you heard Romo call out a coach. Does everyone forget that Garrett wanted BJ as our backup qb. If he’s such a good evaluator of talent, than why was Felix not apart of the offense from the get go, or why wasn’t Choice given more touches when Felix went down.

Garrett was given free reign over the offense and probably more power than any other OC, and how did that work out. Our offense was horrible at the end of the year and Garrett needs to take responsibility for that mess. Romo regressed under his leadership.

Get rid of Wade, TO, and Garrett.

by juniorb on Jan 16, 2009 7:31 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Romo called out Garrett after the Baltimore game

and then again after the Philly game.
and rightfully so.

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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 16, 2009 7:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If that's true, it doesn't speak well of Romo

QB’s “calling out” their coaches in public isn’t really something that shows maturity and leadership. There’s a way to handle things as a professional and that isn’t it. A little more professionalism on the Dallas Cowboys would go a long ways.

by StillHateTheGiants on Jan 16, 2009 9:45 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Professionalism

my butt. I would like to see him get up after a sack and rifle the ball into the offending offensive lineman. Kind of a wake the heck up call. I’m sick of all this “professionalism” stuff. I want some fire.

by GunsUp on Jan 16, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If he does that . . .

then the pundits and writers will be after him for losing his composure on the field.

by NCCowboy on Jan 16, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Who cares?

They are going to be after him for something no matter what. At least his teamates would know there was a human in there and not a robot.

by GunsUp on Jan 16, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What has Garrett actually done….

…that proves he is even on par with the likes of Shanahan or Turner as a play-designer or play-caller? I have seen nothing over the past two seasons to convince me at all. From what I’ve seen he has a clouded sense of what the defense is doing and is very slow to adjust. I am rarely if ever surprised by anything this offense ever runs.

The receivers are almost never in motion. The formations are almost never designed to create mismatches. There is almost never any sort miss-direction plays of any kind. There are very little if ever any adjustments in the protection schemes during the course of game.

Go back and look at the Steelers win over the Chargers from this past weekend and look at the multiple bunch formations and tight formations they line their receivers up in and look at how many miss-matches it created for them. The Cowboys never ran anything like this, all year. Had they done so I can near guarantee we would have seen huge plays out of the passing game and a lot more points on the score board. Take a look at how effectively Shanahan used rolling-out pass plays to open things up for Cutler this year. We saw virtually none of this from Dallas this year and it’s the type of play Romo would be very good at. Garret makes opposing defenses jobs easier by putting the most predictable offense, in the NFL, on the field, every weekend.

Garrett may have demonstrated that he has an eye for talent; great make him a GM or a director of player personnel because I’ve seen nothing that indicates he can play chess with the best of them on any given Sunday.

Jimmy Johnson once said that Norv Turner made the best game day adjustments of any coach he has ever worked with. I’m not sure anyone who has worked with Garret could honestly say the same thing.

A lot folks on here seem ready to anoint Garrett as the next Bill Walsh… I’m sorry but I have just not seen it.

0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.

by gee-roj on Jan 16, 2009 8:30 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Let's put your comments in context . . .

The most predictable offense in the NFL, with Romo under center, averaged 25.1 points and gained 370.5 yards per game this year.
The Steelers, with their multiple bunch formations, averaged 21.7 points and gained 311.9 yards per game.
Shanahan’s Broncos, with his rolling-out pass plays, averaged 23.1 points and gained 395.8 yards per game.

Yep, Garrett hasn’t done a thing. Fire him!

by NCCowboy on Jan 16, 2009 9:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This is where the haters say,"with all that talent anyone could."

The thing about Garrett is he comes with all the blue chip creditials but he hasnt quite fit all the pieces together yet. Do we run the risk of letting him go before he blows up or is he over rated. I was pretty critical of him but I think we should give him 1 more year. Im chosing to believe that last year was a sophmore slump or just growing pains.

by squidlo97 on Jan 16, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dallas scored...

13, 20, 24, & 6 over their last four games for an average of 15.75 points per game. You’re right! Jason Garrett, beyond a shadow of a doubt, has proven himself to be the next greatest mind the NFL has ever seen. From obscure QB coach in Miami to "let’s forget about Tom Landry" in 3 short years. Why even consider a coach like Shanahan who has as actually won a couple of Super Bowls when they’ve apparently already got the best offensive mind in the game. Couple that with a returning head coach that is 0-4 in the playoffs, (0-5 if you count the Eagles game) and the best idea going forward is to subtract talent from the team because the coaches aren’t strong enough to stand up to a player that many speculate is causing life altering issues to the entire Cowboys’ universe.

0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.

by gee-roj on Jan 16, 2009 12:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So you are suggesting . . .

that Jerry Jones, who is responsible to cover cost overruns on the new stadium and is seeking to borrow $350 million on a stadium whose price tag is now $1 billion (original projection was $650 million), fire his offensive coordinator and still be responsible for the $6 million owed Garrett under his contract, and then sign Shanahan to another multi-million dollar contract?

This isn’t fantasy football we are discussing.

by NCCowboy on Jan 16, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He could always keep his current staff…

And then suffer though another 9-7 season, (perhaps worse). I’m sure that should help ticket sales at the new stadium.

0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.

by gee-roj on Jan 16, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yet in big games

Against good defense, Garrett didn’t produce this year…

by joey7289 on Jan 16, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't produce?

What was Garrett supposed to produce?

by NCCowboy on Jan 16, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wins, Points, He did neither down the stretch last year.

Put your QB in max protections, AND PICK UP A DELAYED BLITZ.

by joey7289 on Jan 16, 2009 12:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That simple, huh

Is his headset wire long enough to enable him to run onto the field and pick up that blitz?

by NCCowboy on Jan 16, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No,

but he has a whole freaking week to prepare for it. Dallas played in most of thier games like they were doing walkthroughs. Oh, that’s right. That’s all they ever do.

When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.

by GunsUp on Jan 16, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No but when

He never put Romo in max protection and they continually ran delayed blitzes. I had a friend who watched football once in his life, turn to me and go, “maybe they should put someone else back there, he’s getting there untouched”…it doesn’t seem that complicated.

by joey7289 on Jan 16, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+10googleplex

When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.

by GunsUp on Jan 16, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It doesn't seem that complicated . . .

and Adams, Gurode, Davis, Columbo and Kosier have 38 combined years of NFL experience. Yet, you want to blame the offensive coordinator?

by NCCowboy on Jan 16, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How is it there

Fault when they bring more then 5 guys? How are the Ravens came with 6, 2 off the corner, both delayed? Just put a TE, or RB back there, but no. Every play we have to seed out 5 guys, only to have our QB not even able to go through reads. We didn’t pick up a delayed blitz ONCE that game…that is on the coach, to not adapt to the defense.

by joey7289 on Jan 16, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Romo got

hit on the same blitz technique 5 times during the game. If anyone had watched the Ravens play, like they did Saturday against TN you would have noticed that they liked to delay blitz. It was on film for anyone to see and to plan against, yet the Cowboys did not take advantage of this opportunity. If it had happened in week one, I could see it, but in the last home game of the season?

When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.

by GunsUp on Jan 16, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

oh I see...

So coaching has absolutely no bearing on a game…. hmmmm… NOT!

0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.

by gee-roj on Jan 16, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

For GunsUp, gee-roj, and Joey

My point is that poor OL play was the proximate cause of our offensive difficulties, not poor playcalling or coaching. If you don’t believe me, peruse Raf’s analysis of the Ravens game again:

"A seven-play sequence in the late 2nd quarter and early 3rd tells the tale:

1. Dallas in 1st-and-ten from its own 13 after a Baltimore punt. The Ravens go with a two man line, with a DE in the gap between RG Leonard Davis and RT Marc Colombo. At the snap the DE goes wide and Colombo picks him up, easily. Davis does not make the pass off and ILB Ray Lewis charges untouched right up the middle at Tony Romo. Romo has to dump the ball off the Tashard Choice for a one yard loss.

2. 2nd-and-11: The Ravens go to a three man line, with a NT over Davis and a DE over Colombo and an OLB outside of them. At the snap, both Baltimore DL crash inside and the OLB blitzes off the edge. Choice blocks the OLB. Davis hands the inside DL to Andre Gurode and switches to pick up the outside DL. Colombo doesn’t make the pass off and stays with his man, allowing LB Bart Scott a free lane directly at Romo. Romo forces a pass early and completes it to Jason Witten for seven yards.

3. 3rd-and-3: Baltimore runs a NT at Gurode and a DE at Colombo. They blitz an ILB and a S off the slot at Davis. He picks up the LB. Romo makes a quick throw to Witten for the first down.
 
4. Baltimore goes to a more conventional four-man line. The DT over Davis swims past him but Gurode cleans up. Romo completes a circle route to Choice for eight yards.

5. 2nd-and-2: Baltimore rushes four. Romo has Owens breaking free down the left sideline and makes one of his few on-target deep throws of the night. Owens loses the ball in the Texas Stadium rafters and the ball bounces incomplete.

6. 3rd and 2: Baltimore is in a straight 3-4. At the snap, Gurode handles the NT. LG Cory Proctor handles the DE. LT Flozell Adams blocks down on the DE as well, giving OLB Terrell Suggs a free run at Romo. Romo spins away and throws the ball downfield to an open Terrell Owens. His pass is short, as were nearly all of Romo’s deep throws from the numbers outside and it’s picked off by Ed Reed.

Second Half

7. 1st and 10: Dallas first play of the 2nd half. Baltimore lines up in a four man look, but shifts late. Suggs initially lines up over T.O. in the left flat,but drifts down the line of scrimmage to his normal OLB spot. The Ravens are in a traditional 3-4 at the snap. Again, Gurode handles the NT, Proctor the DE and again, Adams completely ignores Suggs, the Ravens leading sacker, who gets another free shot at Romo, who again spins away and throws an incompletion.

Seven consecutive plays. Seven consecutive passes. On five of them, Romo has a Raven coming untouched right at him. And on four of those plays, one of the Flozell Adams, Leonard Davis or Marc Colombo trio has a brain freeze and misses his man. This is the big money of the Cowboys’ line, three pillars of the offense, and they collapsed on their QB. . . . Take a look at play number 1 on the sequence list, the outside DE stunt with the ILB rushing in Davis’ gap. The one where Davis whiffed on Ray Lewis. Tivo didn’t start on schedule, so I missed the first 27 minutes of game time. In those final 33, I counted five times where Rex Ryan called this blitz. And Davis blew his protection EVERY SINGLE TIME. Not once did he lay a finger on Lewis. Not once. That’s five plays where Davis let a 250 lb. linebacker splatter his QB. Romo still made some big plays against the Ravens’ rush. Dallas scored 17 points in the 4th quarter and could have had more if Choice had not bungled a 3rd down pitchout where he had a lane to the sideline. But make no mistake, all of Romo’s production came in spite of his line, not because of their help. They were an embarrassment last night and the veterans can’t blame poor health or Cory Proctor for their play. Were a less mobile QB playing behind that protection last night, the Ravens get double digit sacks. I doubt Dallas tallies 10 points."

by NCCowboy on Jan 16, 2009 12:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Good post.

But the coach should prepare them, I’m not saying it isn’t on them, because there were times they made bone head plays, but Garrett has to tell them…Listen there is going to be a lot of moving people dropping in and off, make sure you exchange men when they switch, etc, etc. It’s on the players but it’s also on the coach, similar to if the player makes a good block on a run play, the coach gets credited for calling that play.

by joey7289 on Jan 16, 2009 1:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And on Davis

I agree 100%, but as a coach, your gonna keep a guy in there who can’t get it done?

by joey7289 on Jan 16, 2009 1:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I have plenty of anger with the offensive line as well believe me.

But nothing got under my skin more this year than continually seeing the Cowboys line up in the same damn formations… Game after game. Do SOMETHING to throw your opponents off…. Please! Most of the year, I knew when a play was going to work just by how they lined up. The defenses toward the end of the season seem to recognize this too as they seem to have Garrett’s every call diagnosed as soon they broke from the huddle.

The offensive line can actually be helped by lining up in ways the defense is not expecting. Or at the very least someone could be sent in motion before the snap of the ball; that would, at the very least, help Romo recognize the coverage scheme before the snap of the ball.

There is no way for me to say that Garrett can’t learn from this and still become a truly great coach in this league but I’m not ready to anoint him now based on everything I’ve seen thus far. I just think it’s foolhardy to bank the team’s entire future on this guy without a second thought.

0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.

by gee-roj on Jan 16, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I Pray Jerry Listens To Reason

TO is now a cancer just like he was in SF and Philly. He has divided the locker room, questioning the coaches and their decisions. He has to go. It’s the GM’s job to watch over and critique the coaches, and the coaches job to watch and critique the players. When it starts going the other way things unravel and you get a brainless, heartless team that will not win no matter how talented they are.

Canning TO will send a message to the players that dissention will not be tolerated. They may not be the team on paper that they once were, but the great paper team of 2008 finished 9-7. There’s a lot more to a team than pure talent.

by GhostofGaryHogeboom on Jan 16, 2009 10:22 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

The best reason to cut Owens is this ...

Do you want the Cowboys to remain an NBA team—a bunch of overpaid prima donas who never take responsibility and strive to blame and run off any coach who tries to hold them accountable? Right now the inmates are running the asylum, and the best, most effective, message to send to them is to cut the chief lunatic. That way, the other 52 players begin to question whether they are next, and I predict will drop the drama and get back to business. The beauty of the NFL, and the chief reason why it is the most successful sport in this country, is the absence of guaranteed contracts.

by NCCowboy on Jan 16, 2009 10:38 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Do you want the Cowboys to remain an NBA team?

I’m fine with that if the NBA team is the Spurs! According to the link article what’s is even more interesting than Garrett making a play to get rid of TO but him making a move to replace Phillips now, if true. The more I think about it I would be in favor of Garrett taking over the reigns now. The dynamic in the locker room has to change and the best way to bring about that change is to start with the Head Coach.

by Este on Jan 16, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So if the inmates are running the asylum who's fault is that...

The inmates? I think not. It’s the wardens, or coaches in this case, responsibility to maintain control over said inmates.

And in this case both Phillips and Garret knew that TO (I am assuming you would call the head lunatic) was going to be part of the team when they took their respective positions.

So if Garret is making a it’s him or me stand I see that as a sign of failure on his part.

And since you brought up the NBA…
I agree the NBA has some prima donnas but the only “prima donna” I can think of running off coaches is Allen Iverson. And that’s just one guy. But I could be wrong on that. You think the NBA is full of prima donnas becasue that’s what networks like BSPN like to lead with. For every prima donna there is a Tim Duncan or a Chris Paul.

Also funny how the Pistons can win a championship with a very talented “cancer” like Rasheed Wallace. Perhaps they accept him for who he is and his great talent and just play the game.

Game Recognize Game

by pretty ricky on Jan 16, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He's already lost control...

Is getting rid of TO going to change the fact that Romo, RW2, and Crayton have called Garret out? Let’s cut all them too.

Game Recognize Game

by pretty ricky on Jan 16, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I mostly agree with your assessment

I mostly agree with everything you say, except that cowboys ar on the wrong side of “being in the hunt”. As you mentioned its very difficult to win the superbowl, yes there maybe 80 year of experience there and three superbowls, but those teams as you mentioned are in the hunt. truly in the hunt. Who would have thought giants would catch lightning in a bottle and win it all last year. the Patriots were favorites from preseason and they truly deserved it. They are able to lose their best player and still boast a 11-5 record.

but as you mentioned parcells built this team. and now it seems we are going in the wrong direction. from 13-3 and top seed to 9-7 and missing the playoffs. to a soap opera that doesn’t seem to stop. If you think we can win in this kind of drama then I think you need to reassess your assessment.

all of those teams you mentioned are TEAMS. every team goes through ups and downs. its natural. its difficult to stay on top for a very long time.

Its proven over and over again that Jerrys impatience gets the better of him and he messes with the team too much and loses out at the end. We went through this when Jimmy johnson left and we rode the team he had clearly built to a superbowl (because there was some true leadership on those teams). then we lost out on drafts, signings, etc. including another WR we gave up a bunch for in Joey Galloway and that didn’t work out (with AIkman at helm no less).

it seems now, we are going down the same path. so if Sparano left and if garrett leaves its an eerily similar situation when our best coaches and football guys left and the team detreriorated.

now, we have TO who is the new galloway signing. we have coaches leaving. we have the inmates running the assylum and we have the team going down the tubes just like it did before.

the one common…..JERRY JONES the GM.

by CowboysFanatic on Jan 16, 2009 12:18 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I gotta disagree, Raf

Not sure how you can confidently say the Cowboys are currently “in the hunt.” In my opinion, a team that finishes 9-7, exhibits zero continuity and shows no will to fight in the biggest of games is “in the hunt” for high draft picks, not Super Bowls.

And I don’t care how much talent they’ve got! I’m just so tired of the “This team IS in the hunt! Look at all the talent they’ve got!” argument…haven’t we been tortured enough already with all this talent talk? Yes, talent they’ve got; heart, unfortunately, they do not. One is really no good without the other. There’s nothing more common than unsuccessful teams with talent.

Addtionally, measuring individuals by ‘Super Bowls won’ is a faulty measuring stick to begin with, really. I mean, any measuring device that can produce a “Trent Dilfer was better than Dan Marino” conclusion has to be considered flawed, no?

To me, it’s nearly impossible to deny that when this team—under JJ’s ownership—had “football men” in charge of the football operations (Jimmy, BP), it was successful. When JJ’s been in charge of the football operations, it’s been a disaster.

by Starred4Life on Jan 16, 2009 2:28 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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