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As the Coordinators Turn: Spagnuolo Gets the Rams Job

St. Louis Post-Dispatch beat writer Bernie Miklasz claims the Rams are in the late stages of negotiating a contract with New York Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo and will announce him as their new head coach today.

Where does this leave us now?  Assuming the story is true:

  • It means the Cowboys are looking for a defensive coordinator.
  • It means the Cowboys are keeping their offensive coordinator.
  • It probably means the Terrell Owens-is-under-review story will revive for another couple of weeks at minimum. 

Update:  The NFL Network has corroborated the linked story.  It's a done deal.  Note, Adam Schefter's story claims Spagnuolo received a four year, $11.5 M contract, meaning he'll make less than Jason Garrett makes in Dallas.

What of Garrett's motives?  Was he putting some heat on Dallas, as the more melodramatic interpretations suggest -- this was an attempt to leverage his position in the organization and push Owens aside?  For now, we'll have to take last night's Post-Dispatch story at face value. 

In the meantime, head down to your local grocery and stock up on popcorn, chips and the spirits of your choice.  To paraphrase the late, great Bette Davis, "fasten your seatbelts.  It's going to be a bumpy offseason."

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Does that mean we’re stuck with Garrett and Houck?

by beautifultyrant on Jan 17, 2009 1:19 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Not necessarily buying it

Why would the Rams have him in last night?

Unless he rejected the offer.

by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 17, 2009 1:23 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Maybe they used Garrett...

…to leverage a better deal with Spagnuolo, who they wanted from the git-go!

"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams

by Jim Vance on Jan 17, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Entourage

Just like they did to Vince

by NICK L on Jan 17, 2009 9:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

is jerry jones

ari gold?

"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips

by MrMinority on Jan 17, 2009 9:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nah, Ari has a more entertaining personality!

Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/

by silverblue5 on Jan 17, 2009 9:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Great analogy.

Looking forward to Season 6 in da spring.

Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/

by silverblue5 on Jan 17, 2009 9:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Devaney said on Sirus Radio tonight it wasn't a second interview

Garrett said he knew nothing about St. Louis and wanted to tour the area. Spags was the #1 guy the whole time. Apparently Devaney and Spags are tight and that was his guy. Garrett was the #2 guy if things fell through.

Were stuck with Garrett…yes

by Boyzfan94 on Jan 18, 2009 2:03 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 18, 2009 5:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Miklasz is a solid, old school beatwriter

His phrasing was unequivocal. It wasn’t “Spagnulo might be” or “sources tell me.”

Here’s his lede:

NY Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo will be the new head coach of the St. Louis Rams.

Pretty clear, IMO.

by Rafael Vela on Jan 17, 2009 1:27 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hey Raf

what do you think the chances are that Capers comes to be the DC?

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by what_the_crap on Jan 17, 2009 3:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't look so good. Check out da link below...

Capers probable destination

Damn, it pains me to use BSPN as a source. That being da case, there’s a good chance it won’t happen. LMAO!

Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/

by silverblue5 on Jan 17, 2009 9:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

3-4

Doesn’t Capers run a 3-4 defense when he’s calling the shots? I’m not saying New York’s married to the 4-3 defense, but it’s been effective for them for a very long time now.

by the red scare on Jan 17, 2009 11:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's what I thought too. But Capers ran a 4-3 when he was Coughlin's DC in Jacksonville.

Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/

by silverblue5 on Jan 17, 2009 11:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What I wonder now, is that if Jay Glazer thought that JJ wanted Shanahan

and wanted WP to take the coordinator job how could he have thought that was going to happen if he believed that JG was not going to the rams. How was that going to work? During that interview on WFAN on friday he said JG was like the no.3 option so how was Shanahan to HC and WP to DC going to work with JG, was he going to still be the OC?

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Jan 17, 2009 1:28 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

i was wondering when spagnuolo was going to get a job...

my friend was arguing last night that he must be a terrible interview because a guy with his resume should’ve had a HC job a long time ago…

i think he was just waiting for the right situation….

"They need security in the world, Craig!"

by Tuna Helper on Jan 17, 2009 1:29 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

The Contract Was Tiny

4 years at 11 million; that is chump change for Head Coaching positions.,

by Iowacowboy on Jan 17, 2009 8:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Right situation?

I don’t know. The Denver and Jets jobs look better to me.

by Rafael Vela on Jan 17, 2009 1:31 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

same argument could made about the falcons and dolphins jobs last year....

and look how that turned out….for mike smith and tony sparano….

"They need security in the world, Craig!"

by Tuna Helper on Jan 18, 2009 4:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Baltimore and Atlanta

Garrett wasn’t considered in Miami, not a Parcells guy

by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 19, 2009 2:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

he'll do well there

this means that the Carrot bros. are staying
and Houck too
let’s hope they do insanely better in 09 than in 08
we’ll just have to wait and see

"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips

by MrMinority on Jan 17, 2009 1:31 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

it sounds like Spag and the GM are good friends

I imagine this played a major role in the decision.

by WestTxHornFan on Jan 17, 2009 1:32 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'll repeat what I said in the last thread

Shanahan’s top two assistants were available after McDaniel was hired in Denver.

Dennison is the o-line coach and knows Shanahan’s system;
Bates is a top QB coach and has brought Jay Cutler along quickly.

If Shanahan was serious about Dallas, I would think Dallas would have asked for permission to speak to them last week, just as the Raiders did.

They didn’t. If Shanahan was coming, he could have brought his key offensive guys with him.

I don’t think it’s happening. With Garrett staying, it’s even more remote, and it was remote before.

by Rafael Vela on Jan 17, 2009 1:34 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

+1

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 17, 2009 7:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

article

Have you’all read Mickey Spagnola’s article on “bad chemistry” (DC.com)? It makes sense to me. However, aren’t mistakes and confusion part of “bad chemistry”? I can see both sides of the argument.

by beautifultyrant on Jan 17, 2009 1:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Tex 4 Garrett

Jason Garrett is too smart to take the Rams job… the Princeton kid knows he has the keys to the most plum job in all of sports. Getting rid of Spanuolo is a double plus, if true. Still, Wade should be fired. It wouldn’t be sadistic, it would be deserved.

It was on Wade’s watch that players were allowed to go on Spring Break the week before the biggest game of their lives. It was on Wade’s watch that Tony Romo regressed into a turnover-prone celebrity quarterback. Phillips was given two years with one of the five best teams in football and doesn’t even have a playoff win to show for it. That was his rap coming in, and it proved true. Nothing will change if the likable Phillips is around for 2009.

It is time for change, and what better time as they move into Tex Stadium. Jason Garrett will bring long-term stability to the franchise. He can line up Capers and promote Sherman. This is great news… Brian-Stewart-Fired type great news.

by Montecito Tex on Jan 17, 2009 1:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

An NFL HC is not in a position to prevent a player from going somewhere over a weekend.

Meantime, the cowboys roller coaster keeps running full blast.

Never a dull moment.

by THEjarhead on Jan 17, 2009 1:43 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

If I Am Coach, Not Going To Beach Week Before

WTF is up with these weekends off? This team can’t even field a defense that lines up correctly; if a team like Philly sends Westbrook out wide, OMG, the world comes to an end. How about having walk throughs for 2 hours in the morning, and film reviews in the afternoons, and chalkboard sessions at night — instead of giving these young men with tons of money two and three days off? I mean, come on, if I were going to trial on a multimillion dollar case, I would hope my lawyer would be working on my case the week before the beginning of trial. I just don’t get all this time off BS. It is a part time job to begin with. . . so, yes the HC can keep the players occupied by simply scheduling practice.

by Iowacowboy on Jan 17, 2009 8:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Garrett as Rams' OC

Maybe he’s gonna be their new OC? That’d delay his rise to being an HC, but at least he wouldn’t have to face the “daunting” task of dealing with the “drama queen” TO, right?

If Garrett stays, I’m hopeful that he and TO can patch things up. If that happens, then there’d certainly be lots of good will to go around. That might help create the locker room “chemistry” that’s been missing.

by Turbo73 on Jan 17, 2009 1:45 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Right, and lateral moves require permission from his existing club

Garrett is still the HC in waiting in Dallas, unless he bungles things this
year. But it’s in his control.

And I’m thinking more and more that the Owens stories have juice and that he may be
a source. Look at Wade. He’s firing people, trusted friends, who are standing in the
way of his succeeding and staying employed.

If Garrett feels T.O. is undercutting his ability to do his job properly, why wouldn’t he try the
same thing?

by Rafael Vela on Jan 17, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

hmm...

JG as Werder’s source…now that’s interesting.

by Turbo73 on Jan 17, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's More Than Interesting

It’s sleeping with the enemy.

Garrett is turning into the Teflon Coach. His play calling was mind-numbingly predictable last season; not only was it obvious to most fans,with the Ravens and Steelers publicly said as much. Romo regressed badly last season, by any measure, with poor judgement and ball security. The game breaking rookie running back was given zero plays from scrimmage in the first game against Washington, while on the other hand Barber was used as a featured back like Emmitt Smith, something he’d never done his entire career—including high school—which certainly led to his lack of effectiveness as the season wore on, and quite possibly contributed to his (essentially season ending) toe injury. Meanwhile, the brilliant Tashard Choice was relegated to special teams until the critical Pittsburgh game, when he was thrust into the starting lineup. The offensive line also regressed, yet Garrett insisted on consistently sending his wideouts deep, which put tremendous pressure on Romo, leading to him getting battered.

And this guy is supposedly our shining star to eventually take over the team? If after two years he hasn’t learned the basics of playcalling and on-field personnel management, something most NCAA Division III coordinators have mastered, I question if we have the luxury of squandering the offensive talent on the roster while he figures out how to manage one side of the ball, much less run an entire team. There’s probably no coincidence that Garrett was offered two head coaching jobs last year, but was passed over this year by two sad-sack organizations. Based on the evidence, he just isn’t that smart or even competent as a resource manager.

Now Ed Werder would have us to believe it’s a professional death match between Owens and Garrett behind closed doors. The guy who clearly has an agenda against Owens is now being listened to with a straight face, and we’re expected to take sides on this supposed argument?

I would prefer Garrett learn how to run an offense, and take advantage of our strengths, and minimize our weaknesses, so we can get on with the business of scoring points and avoiding turnovers. All this hot air about Owens and Garrett is silly, and distracting from the most important point, which is that Garrett isn’t much of an offensive coordinator, and I have doubts he ever will be,

by kindablue on Jan 17, 2009 2:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1 my friend

"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips

by MrMinority on Jan 17, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sez kindablue

“And this guy is supposedly our shining star to eventually take over the team? If after two years he hasn’t learned the basics of playcalling and on-field personnel management, something most NCAA Division III coordinators have mastered, I question if we have the luxury of squandering the offensive talent on the roster while he figures out how to manage one side of the ball, much less run an entire team.”

In the ’70s, I used to watch Cowboys games on CBS and get Oilers games on NBC. The Oilers sucked back then, in their back to back 1-13 days, so we got a lot of AFC Central doubleheader games.

I hated the Steelers, and the Oilers were lost causes so I became a default Cincinnati Bengals fan, since they were the team giving the Steelers some trouble. And they had a young OC named Bill Walsh then. He was denied by HC job in Houston by Paul Brown, who then passed him over for the HC job in Cincy when he retired.

The reason was that Walsh was too wild. I remember a game — and Walsh talks about it too as an important one in his development — where he had a 4th quarter lead and only needed to run the ball six times on two series to win, but threw the ball and gave the other team time for a comeback win. It took him a long time to finally get a head job because he was seen as too impulsive, and also too conservative.

Now, I’m not saying Jason Garrett is Bill Walsh in waiting. But this idea that he’s sub Division III in play calling is nonsense in the extreme. Coordinators learn how to adapt too, and they go through learning curves just like players do.

by Rafael Vela on Jan 17, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We don't know what we have in Garrett, really.

I’m glad he stayed, though, because we need to find out. He could have a huge upside, and why risk sending that off somewhere? Barring a complete turnaround next year, both JJ and Garrett know that Phillips will be gone anyways.

I hope he has the nads for a HC job if we hand him the keys, that’s all I can say!

Also glad we have continuity next year. And if the O looks bad again, then that’s good intell that maybe he was lucky his first year, and JJ finds out he’s NOT all that great, and can start looking elsewhere-in a year when an unprecedented # of good coaches will be available.

Only one more step-take the $10 Mill hit and let Owens go, otherwise we’ll never know about Garrett’s playcalling. Anyone who’s OC w/ Owens (at this point in his career)
is a bit hamstrung and it’s not a completely fair judgement.

by Realist Larry on Jan 17, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So close...

I was going to agree with one of your posts for the first time, but then you brought Owens into it. Too bad

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 17, 2009 7:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought someone might say that!

just goes to show I’m level-headed, though, note a one-note guy.
Just get me off Owens….

by Realist Larry on Jan 17, 2009 10:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with much of this

I’ve been on the fence about Mr Sophomore Slump, but the seemingly increasing possibility that Garrett is one of Terder’s sources is making me feel worse about RHG’s prospects than Felix Jones not touching the ball in the Washington game.

The bloom was already off the rose. If Garrett is one of Werder’s ‘cowards’ than, in my book, the petals may be starting to come off as well.

Jas – Not sure if you want to be another Jersey Parcells or Payton or whatever, but you’re not doing well with the whole Sopranos back channel stuff via Werder, if it has been you. The players aren’t happy and there are no more other HC jobs to hide behind now.

Starting to lose faith here in the Ivy League grad.

by PaulFVillarreal on Jan 17, 2009 3:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah kindablue

a qb rating over 90 is really regressing badly…complete nonsense.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 17, 2009 5:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Regress Means "Get Worse"

It does not mean “did badly”. You can go back to worshiping your sacred cow.

by kindablue on Jan 18, 2009 8:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

His game clearly regressed. The Romo of last year should have produced better stats than ‘07. I only hope Gruden or Shanahan get on this kid hard, and get his head out of his own or Jessie’s azz..I don’t know where he went wrong, but there was not one part of his game that improved this past season.

by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 19, 2009 2:48 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

how is that possible

when his OL blocked worse and his receivers didn’t get as open?

Thats what regressed, Romo wasn’t the problem, but the solution.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 19, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+100000 kindablue, He sure has alot of people hoodwinked.

Truth is that he was totally exposed for what he really is this year. He offers no qualities I look for in a HC.

by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 17, 2009 5:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Totally agree, Raf

I believe that Garrett is one of the dreaded anonymous sources on the Owens stories.

by PaulFVillarreal on Jan 17, 2009 3:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This does not fit

with the character of Garrett. I refuse to believe it until some substantial not hearsay proof is given. Jason has reportedly his whole career to have been a great person, and I don’t think underhanded stuff like this is something he would consider doing. It just doesn’t seem to fit.

by cowboyfan on Jan 17, 2009 3:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Until I learn something different...

…I now believe Garrett is one of the sources, along with Witten. I was thinking about this the other night and once the “T.O. or me” stuff came up it made a lot more sense.

Look, I don’t have a problem with Machiavellian coaches. Or players. Just win, baby, and don’t go around causing havoc like Plax Burris. I think Raf (or someone) mentioned that he was cool with a take-charge coach and these possible action by Garrett could fit in with such a personality type. I agree totally with that, but Garrett still has to get to point B from point A and he’s not there yet. The thing could still collapse underneath him, and if the players believe he is a Werder source it could get a lot trickier quickly.

I think there will be a major push to get rid of T.O. now. I hope he doesn’t go, but I think it will be very hard for Garrett to be fully accepted after the public selling out of T.O. via Werder and Garrett’s subsequent turn-downs (or his turning down) for various HC jobs. The battle is fully engaged now, it would seem, in Dallas between T.O. and the Witten/Romo/Garrett faction, or something along those lines.

by PaulFVillarreal on Jan 17, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

When I say Witten...

…I should rather say “Witten and/or his agent.”

by PaulFVillarreal on Jan 17, 2009 3:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh please

I love these conspiracy theories.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Jan 17, 2009 9:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ehh i'll have to see it to believe it

Carrot had a bad year as an OC but a great one in 07
he has a good chance of regaining the offensive prosperity we had before
and i believe he’ll get things right
but one thing about him is that he’s a good person
he’s not the type of guy to talk to a malicious gossip reporter behind everyone’s back
i will not believe werder’s stories until I learn of the source
i’m not overly excited about Carrot’s return as OC next year
but he’s learning on the job and I feel he can get it right next year
i mean we did start 3-0 and we were 13-3 last year…i think alot of our success has to do with the o-line

"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips

by MrMinority on Jan 17, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You mean, "until I learn the first fact" . . .

I will continue to believe in whatever farfetched rumor anyone posts on this blog that coincides with my presdisposition.

by NCCowboy on Jan 17, 2009 10:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ha ha ha

Touche.

No, the breadcrumbs seem to be leading to Garrett as a Werder source. It’s not an accident that Raf, myself and others have picked up on that possibility. You have to try to piece what is going on together. Lord knows Werder won’t be disclosing any sources in the near future.

This isn’t a very complicated situation. If Garrett wants T.O. gone, it would behoove him to leak damaging info to Werder and ESPN. Once the “T.O. or me” stuff came out, things started to seem a lot clearer.

by PaulFVillarreal on Jan 18, 2009 12:11 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

-1 on "This isn’t a very complicated situation"

Sure JG might be the source, but it could be so many others, speculating is pointless

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 18, 2009 1:28 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1 Paul

funny how it was actually Garrett who called the WR only meeting, but somewhere down the line of BS it got to Turder, and it was presented that the WR’s initiated the so called meeting of the WR’s digust over Romo and Witten being bed buddies.

Think Garrett could have collaberated with Turder to present the story in such a way. Isn’t Garrett when asked what went wrong with Dallas and their miserable play, Garrett threw his offense under the bus and said it was purely lack of execution on the players fault, and took no responsibility for the weak offensive production ?

Garrett is a disease festering here in Big D. Believe it.

by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 19, 2009 2:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Now you are making up quotes?

“Isn’t Garrett when asked what went wrong with Dallas and their miserable play, Garrett threw his offense under the bus and said it was purely lack of execution on the players fault, and took no responsibility for the weak offensive production ?”

I don’t believe he ever said such a thing.

by NCCowboy on Jan 19, 2009 7:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What's so underhanded in looking for an NFL HC job????

Any OC/DC in the league would do the same, that’s what they’re all shooting for.
I don’t see a problem in what Garrett’s doing at all.

by Realist Larry on Jan 17, 2009 4:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Lar, Aren't you the same guy that was looking for continuity a posts above ???

You think a coordinator spending every off season (even between playoffs games) trying to get out of here is good for continuity ?

Time to send Garrett to St Louis for a 7th round pick.

by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 17, 2009 5:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't like it

but I can’t hold it against them.
It’s not like sneaking around while the team’s still playing, for example.

On principle, the guy has a right to interview for any HC job he wants.
But I don’t like it you’re right about that.

And ALL of this undermines Phillips’ authority next year, whether right or wrong.
There are too many cooks in this kitchen. Who’s in charge? JJ? Wade?? Garrett?
I expect a complete lack of authority/ accountability next year and don’t have high expectations.

by Realist Larry on Jan 17, 2009 10:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I hope not..

If Carrott was talking to the press, undermining a player and in effect, the team…I would lose respect for him.

He’s an assistant HC, the CEO of the offense and he feels the best way to communicate his feelings is by using a round about, 3rd part ymethod of communication? Wow, with leadership like that , what can we look forward to in the future?

Romo waves off a play, and within a week, Romo’s mother receives an anonymous note on Princeton stationary telling her, “Tony’s a bad boy, please talk with him.”

Wade criticizes Garrett’s play calling….Ed Werder receives a late night call from a phone booth..“This is ‘Deep Carrot’..I need to tell you what Wade says about Jerry’s facelifts.”

I’m joking of course, but man, if JG doesn’t possess the cojones to call an all hands meeting, meaning the coaching staff AND the player, and clearing the air…then how could he ever be a Head Coach?

Honestly, put yourself in the place of any player on the team…here’s a guy that you are supposed to trust with your career and your well being, and you know that he will leak inside info to the press!?!? I don’t think he could ever have another players trust.

I really hope he did NOT do that.

"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams

by Jim Vance on Jan 17, 2009 4:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

he Did call a meeting

the wr meeting…the same one that werder reported as ‘t.o. storming into carrot’s office’ etc etc.
i find him hard to believe as werder’s source
but then again judging by weder’s teeth i say he likes carrots

"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips

by MrMinority on Jan 17, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You go to Jerry and Wade

..before you go to Ed Werder

"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams

by Jim Vance on Jan 17, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Its like Alice in Wonderland around here . . .

first we’ll have the execution, then we’ll hear the evidence.

by NCCowboy on Jan 17, 2009 10:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

As speculative and groundless as any other theory...

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Jan 17, 2009 5:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I’ve heard the source was Witten or his agent, Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones, and now Garrett.

I think it was Colonel Mustard in the library with a candle holder.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Jan 17, 2009 9:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice Clue reference, Tom.

Just played the always entertaining game the other day!

Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/

by silverblue5 on Jan 17, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

TO Is Not Capable of Acting Rationally

Because he is a pathological sociopathic personality. TO is nuts and we ain’t winning anything with him here.

by Iowacowboy on Jan 17, 2009 8:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

A sociopath?

He lacks empathy? He ruins lives?

He’s a raging narcissist, but so are half the players in pro sports.

by Rafael Vela on Jan 17, 2009 11:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He cannot be hired as their Ocoord without dallas’ permission.

the only move JJ cant block is a move UP to a HC position (unless JJ voluntarily releases him).

by THEjarhead on Jan 17, 2009 1:47 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

And JJ would not do so without compensation

To allow JG to walk to StL as an Ocoordinator would require draft pick compensation before JJ would even consider it.

by THEjarhead on Jan 17, 2009 1:52 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he can trade JG to Detroit for our 1st and 3rd back!

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Jan 17, 2009 5:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Jerry would be all for giving permission...positive on that.

The writing is on the walls. Jerry was praying that Garrett would leave for another job, so he wouldn’t have to completely grin and bare the fact that he’s going against statements made earlier about keeping everyone together. He would love for Garrett to leave so he wouldn’t have to pay out that cash, and it would open up possibilities of getting a Shanahan, Holmgren, or Gruden.

Now Jerry should just flat out fire Garrett. and move on with his grand plan.

by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 17, 2009 5:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL...funny

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 17, 2009 5:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ridiculous

Yeah, I know my suggestion was ridiculous; however, he might do it if he was desparate to get out of Big-D

by Turbo73 on Jan 17, 2009 1:54 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Spagnuolo's mastery over RHG is so great

that he has him picking up his dry cleaning during the offseason and bringing it to St. Louis for him. From STL, I hear RHG and the wife will be meeting Jim Johnson at the team hotel in AZ to iron his boxers and give him a perm and scalp massage before the championship game (he’s still backing up Troy).

by Leon on Jan 17, 2009 2:07 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

?

Garrett is 3-2 vs. Spagnulo and 2-2 vs. Johnson

He put 41 on Johnson’s D in week two, the most the Eagles gave up this year.

by Rafael Vela on Jan 17, 2009 2:15 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

And Six Points Each

In his late-season matchups against the Eagles the last two years.

He did better against the Giants, although he badly overused Barber in the first half of the playoff game, which allowed the Giants to tee off with their pass rush.

by kindablue on Jan 17, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dallas lost that game

because Anthony Fasano dropped an end zone pass that hit him in the numbers.
There are about ten other mistakes that factored into it, but that’s the shortest explanation
for that loss. Play calling falls far down the list.

by Rafael Vela on Jan 17, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i remember

after that loss..everyone clamoring we hadn’t run it enough
but i guess that always happens when you lose, had we won people would’ve said nothing

"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips

by MrMinority on Jan 17, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's the Teflon Coach

Garrett’s wearing down Barber and making the offense one-dimensional when it mattered can be blamed on a single Fasano drop. So the global decision making of the person in charge is irrelevant, and the performance of one player, on one play, is what really mattered.

Teflon. Pure teflon.

by kindablue on Jan 17, 2009 9:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"So the global decision making of the person in charge is irrelevant,"

What does this mean? Global decision making?

Does Jason Garrett control the international money markets?
Do his play calls affect the wars in the Middle East?

It’s funny that you reduce the game to a single effect — Barber’s carries, and then accuse me of doing the same. Okay, but explain all these good Garrett play calls that went wrong:

1. Was it Garrett’s fault that Fasano dropped that pass?
2. Was it Garrett’s fault Romo missed a wide open T.O. on a route that was a guaranteed 1st and goal if not a TD on the following play?
3. Was it Garrett’s fault that a play call for 25 yards on the following drive was wiped out by a stupid Leonard Davis personal foul call?
4. Was Garrett’s play call responsible for Patrick Crayton’s drop?
5. Was Garrett’s play call responsible for Crayton giving up on his route in the final seconds on a fade that would have been the game winner?
6. Was Garrett’s play call responsible for the three missed tackles on a ten yard pass that turned into a 50 yard Giants’ TD?
7. Was Garrett’s play calling responsible for Jacques Reeves turning into a turnstile?
8. Did Garrett’s play calling cause the awful punt coverage before New York’s winning TD?

I agree. Pure teflon.

Anthony Fasano’s hands were pure teflon.

by Rafael Vela on Jan 17, 2009 11:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So I guess the new story is the countdown till TO's release?

Seriously, outside of ESPN reports there were much more credible sources (nfl.com among others) who reported the exact same thing and don’t have an axe to grind against TO like ESPN does. The TO thing has to have some sort fo truth to it and with Garret staying it would seem that Jerry won’t be able to sweep it under the rug for another year. this thing is gonna come to a head very soon IMO.

On a side note, does Stewart being let go and Garret staying does this mean we’re gonna bring in Capers like garret wanted to last year?

by boysinyabelly on Jan 17, 2009 2:27 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

all the other new sources

like fox sports and nfl.com
were putting their story on their pages but quoting from the ed werder espn story
they were using that as their source
they know it might not be true, but just in case it is, they don’t want to miss out
if they had their own original story with their own credible sources
than werder’s case would be strenghtened
but anonymous sources isn’t a credible source

"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips

by MrMinority on Jan 17, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Keeping Garrett is not all bad...

as long as he emphasizes the run and stays ahead of other DC’s in play calling

by BishopWest on Jan 17, 2009 2:39 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Remember...

…that before Chan Gailey was hired, everyone thought that it was a done deal that da King was gonna sign ex-UCLA HC Terry Donohue.

In fact, as reports have it, Donohue was flown in and spent the night at the Jones’ house.

As it turned out, Donohue left Dallas without signing a contract, and the “mystery sleeper candidate” Gailey was signed.

Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
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by silverblue5 on Jan 17, 2009 2:42 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Something tells me...

JG is not a lock to stay. The fact that he was even looking hard to leave gives the Jones boys some lattitude to say Adios!

I still believe Shanahan is in the cards for Dallas. It’s just a matter of maneuvering.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Jan 17, 2009 2:44 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Then how do you explain how JJ is not trying to talk to Shanahan's top assistants if he is coming,

if it is still in the cards what is JJ waiting for? JG will not be retained as OC so why would JJ wait any longer to hire shanahan if he wants him for dallas?

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Jan 17, 2009 3:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

In his business, my friend, Marketing and PR are EVERYTHING

Let’s see how things unfold.

There’s no timer on this, and Jerry can afford not to flinch too soon on this one.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Jan 17, 2009 5:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If the Lions or Rams don't want Jason

Who does? It’s just hilarious how ESPN and other sources were saying how Jason is likely going to be the next Rams head coach last night.

by ym on Jan 17, 2009 3:04 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

And once more, I love it that BSPN was wrong again! Although, I actually believed it only because NFL Network's Adam Schefter said it.

Wow. The Rams really pulled one over on just about everybody.

Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
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by silverblue5 on Jan 17, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

East West Shrine Game

anyone watching this game? Any names in particular we should be keeping an eye on as prospects for the Boys?

by scottmaui on Jan 17, 2009 3:09 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Not watching but a few guys to keep an eye on

Jarron Gilbert. Possible 3-4 end with great production and size (6-5, 287……22TFL, 9.5 sacks) Could be a fast riser once the workouts hit. Right now he’s a middle round prospect.

Terrance Taylor. 3-4 NT. 6-0 318. Pure run stuffer, not a freak like Ratliff is in the middle, but could be a guy we look at in the middle rounds as the 2 best NT prospects might be gone before we pick in Brace and Raji.

by boysinyabelly on Jan 17, 2009 3:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Garrett is now in a very bad spot, IMO

He laid his cards down with the “T.O. or me” gambit and he got dinged by all his possible suitors. That means his leverage is gone to try to dictate to the Cowboys what they should do with T.O. unless he’s looking to make some kind of lateral move to an organization that almost certainly would pay him less money than would Dallas. So, he’s been dinged by all the teams he interviewed with and now he looks to try to sheepishly come back, possibly, with a team whose players aren’t exactly singing his praises and with a guy who he just publicly sold out in Owens?

Ouch.

Unless T.O. is leaving very shortly, and even if he does given others’ concerns with RHG’s schemes, it’s not a good day in the Princeton grad’s household. I would not want to be him right now.

by PaulFVillarreal on Jan 17, 2009 3:09 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Addendum

Raf says that Garrett, per his contract, is not able to make a lateral move unless Dallas permits him.

Jason better know that Jerry and the braintrust is fully behind him right now or else things could start getting very hairy for him in Big D very quickly. You would think there may be a real move to get T.O. out now or else this thing might boil over. Going to be interesting.

by PaulFVillarreal on Jan 17, 2009 3:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would not want to be him right now

Are you sure about that? He’s got $3 million reason to be comfortable. The owner knows him and wants him to stay. I believe JG will shine again next season after he makes adjustments to his gameplans.

by troysboys on Jan 17, 2009 3:22 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I hope he does shine if he stays

And I would gladly take his salary. So what? I would also take Steve Jobs’ salary and I wouldn’t want to be him, either, at this moment.

Garrett already has problems in how the players perceive him in the locker room. That includes Romo, who took shots at the offense following the Philly debacle. Garrett went from genius in one year to scapegoat during the next and once people get hip to the fact that he is likely one of Werder’s “cowards” than even more players will be having doubts about him. That’s not good, and not necessarily the way you go about setting yourself up to be the next head coach. If Garrett has another season next year, assuming he’s here, like he did this one he might be looking for college head coaching spots and eschewing attempts at finding NFL ones. He got dinged in all his chances this year, it appears, and he just went out on a limb with the team’s best playmaker, it would appear. No, I would not want to be Jason Garrett today, particularly with St. Louis not coming through (not sure who turned whom down) and with where I had been a year previous.

Parcells can get away with his media manipulations. He’s done something. Garrett has done nothing. This can lead to the phenomenon know commonly as overplaying one’s hand. If Garrett is coming back, let’s hope that he has not done so in this instance.

by PaulFVillarreal on Jan 17, 2009 3:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I am not saying that he should stay but...

if Garrett went to StL and won 10 or 11 games there that would be painful. More painful than Payton taking the Saints to the NFC Champ game.

"Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth." -Tyson

by cmr3 on Jan 17, 2009 4:01 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Garrett's playcalling was weak at points, I agree, but some here are overly critical.

As Raf will say, the players need to execute too.
The players need to take more responsibility for the complete disaster the 2nd half of the year than the coaches, IMO.
They are professionals and should be able to tune out all the distractions in the end. It’s a sign of their mental weakness that they can’t.

Philly has had huge “Distractions” the last 2 years (Reid’s family, benching McNabb, etc.), but has the type of players who use that to pull together instead of fall apart at the seams like the Boys did this year, offense and defense(last 2 games).

by Realist Larry on Jan 17, 2009 4:54 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Talent and Gutless Cowards Lose, Not Coaching

I blame the players much more than I do the coaching; I blame the GM and the hodge podge of whackos assembled like Tank, Pacman, TO and even Roy the Receiver. I blame the GM and Hard Knocks before I blame coaching. Now, the coaching is suspect; Wade is probably over his head as HC. But, the players deserve this season, behind their fearless GM. Then coaching comes in third.

by Iowacowboy on Jan 17, 2009 8:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

tank has his history

but the time he has been here i dont recall him getting into anything (i.e. pacman)
his play on the field however has been ok
he’s had some good plays, he forces fumbles pretty well and got a sack against the seahawks when even brad johnson could’ve lined up on the line and got one….
i doubt we’ll resign him but if he is, its ok as long as its cheap and we resign ware

"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips

by MrMinority on Jan 17, 2009 9:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Stop Larry, you are making too much sense

The tinfoil hat brigade on this blog doesn’t want to hear anything that will distract them from the legends they hold so dear, like Garrett’s playcalling is so predictable and he’s Ed Werder’s deep throat and Terrell Owens is a really hard worker who just wants to win.

by NCCowboy on Jan 17, 2009 10:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hard to playcall when your OLine's not opening holes for the runners or protectiing the passer.

When your awesome receiver is shut down w/ double teams.
And, although I hate to use this one, with the amount of injuries we had-Austin, FJones, Barber, Romo out for 3 and not the same after, Kosier, Witten, Deon Anderson.

by Realist Larry on Jan 17, 2009 4:57 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Adapt to that then.

Run short timing routes, where Romo doesn’t have to go through down field reads.

by joey7289 on Jan 17, 2009 5:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

seriously?

we’re talking about pro football.
solutions aren’t that simple.

“Run short timing routes” … then defenses can aim to stop the short routes, and Romo would be forced to look deep, while playing behind a shaky o-line.

by falconPUNCH on Jan 17, 2009 5:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Solutions are simpler then people make them out to be.

IDK if you’ve ever coached any sport in your life but when something doesn’t work, you adapt to it to give yourself a better chance to win. Garrett hardly did that. And when the aim to stop them, they stop blitzing.

by joey7289 on Jan 17, 2009 5:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I actually agree.

What the hell hapened to timing routes to the sdielines?
We finally started throwing to the RB’s but it seems reluctantly.
Anything besides the WR screen!

I said I also had some criticisms of Garrett, esp. when the O doesn’t build a lead.

I think a “West-Coast” type of offense would be GREAT for Romo, force him to throw the ball around, just hit the open guy quickly.
Wasn’t Romo’s strength a quick release??

by Realist Larry on Jan 17, 2009 10:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Garrett is still our OC and Spagnola is gone from the GMen

Great news as far as I’m concerned, now if the Cowboys cut T.O., I’ll consider this to be a great off season.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 17, 2009 5:18 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

+1

No spags for Nyg great, JG staying great.. Dom Capers for DC or has he already found a job?

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 17, 2009 7:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Last I checked

He was still unemployed.

by joey7289 on Jan 17, 2009 7:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So are da G-Men

Link

Hate that I had to use BSPN as the reference. Apparently, Coughlin and Capers have a great working relationship that included their time together in Jacksonville, back in the day.

Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
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by silverblue5 on Jan 17, 2009 10:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

funny

The fact you put a disclaimer in there is hilarious. ESPN isn’t that bad, you may not agree with everything they do, but they represent the views of a lot of fans, and they have great programing.. Just watched my UNC Tar Heels put it down. Couldn’t catch that game on any other network..

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 17, 2009 10:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

lets say for arguments sake that Garrett thinks that Romo is being held back by the offense

going though TO. He really wants to get TO the ball because good things happen when he does get it and Romo knows that if he does not get it he will pout and eventually cause a rift in the team. This has caused his QB to force his reads and try to make things happen. When he gives up on TO the only time left is his safety valve Witten whom he has great repoir with.

if Garrett has to hitch his wagon to TO he needs to get a fiery asshole in here who can stand up to him and get him the ball. If he believes Romo has what it takes but TO is hindering him then he has got to get TO out of town and allow for the maturation of Romo. If this is his delimma then what do you do.

I see other WRs on this roster who can get open. I dont see any QBs that do. Dan Marino is not walking though the door.

Well before the haters start up with Romo should act like Marino. let me remind everyone that it took us 8 years to find a guy that can make plays and win. If you want that and Marinos attitude you might be waiting a hell of a lot longer. Romo can make plays. Avoid pressure and has some savvy.

If Im here and the only way I think I can win is without TO then its my job to say so.

by squidlo97 on Jan 17, 2009 5:22 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

+1

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 17, 2009 5:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Again

Tony can throw the ball to whoever he wants, last year when we went 13-3 and Owens didn’t get the ball was he crying…did he implode the locker room. No.

by joey7289 on Jan 17, 2009 5:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Defenses changed. Ds that slow down TO. We kept trying, Austin went out, RW2 hasnt built the

chemistry he needs. Crayton regressed. You can say what you will but I dont need a QB thinking, I need him reading and reacting. No agenda.

by squidlo97 on Jan 17, 2009 5:41 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

This may have already been posted...

…but I just saw it today. This is from LeAnn Schreiber, the ESPN Ombudsman, talking about the big brouhaha.

“Why is this T.O./Romo/Witten thing even a story? … Do we not believe that in an NFL locker room, full of 53 passionate, aggressive, competitive men there are not disagreements and arguments? This happens in all 32 locker rooms, multiple times, every year. Especially after a tough loss. This is only a story because it’s T.O. and the Cowboys.”

"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams

by Jim Vance on Jan 17, 2009 5:49 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

A locker room is full of 53 men with ADD

NFL players can’t deal with distractions.

by ym on Jan 17, 2009 6:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

But our team seems unable to HANDLE it.

That’s the difference.
And being on the Cowboys with the distractions, it’s all magnified.

by Realist Larry on Jan 17, 2009 10:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Raheem Morris..

just announced as Tampa Bay’s New HC. He was the DB coach a month ago and has no HC experience!!

OK, so here’s the kind of junk that runs through my head when I don’t have a team in the playoffs…

1) When Garrett was interviewing with other teams for HC, didn’t they pick his brain for his philosophies and tendencies? I mean in a war, if you got a chance to sit down with the opposing general and have him tell you what he would do in certain situations..wouldn’t that be helpful?

2) We had injuries and we sucked. The Patriots had injuries too, one of them was way more damaging than any we had..they still won 11 games? Easy schedule? Better system?

3) hut? where did that come from? hut one, hut two?…why say hut? why not corn or some other made up word like….raf raf one…raf two sorry Rafael. and hike? why say hike?

I have more worthless thoughts but it’s probably best I keep them to myself.

"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams

by Jim Vance on Jan 17, 2009 6:29 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Tampa

Must be hoping to God he learned all he could under Kiffin.

by joey7289 on Jan 17, 2009 7:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

DC

So do the Cowboys stay in house for a defensive coordinator, or do they hire from the outside? Or does Wade simply take over? What’s the best route?

by beautifultyrant on Jan 17, 2009 6:34 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Beautiful...

…I hope you’re not a guy and I’m calling you beautiful…but…seems like Campo or maybe Reggie Herring would be the two best inside candidates. I’m sure others on here have better insight.

I think I’d prefer to go with someone from the outside…ideally, maybe a guy who was a very successful DC, then promoted to HC and found himself in over his head, and maybe eager to get back in the game where he knows he can excel. Like a Romeo Crennel.

"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams

by Jim Vance on Jan 17, 2009 6:42 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I thought of 3 guys in house

Grantham, Herring, Campo that could be bumped up. I just want Wade to keep a firm grip of the defense and not change what he was doing the second half of last season. In the meantime one of the 3 gets a full season of the Phillips 34 in the DC role in case he leaves in 2010.

One outsider I had wondered about was Wade’s LB coach during his time in SD. His name escapes me at the moment, but I remember him being a favorite back in 2007. Anybody know if he’s a possibility?

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Jan 17, 2009 9:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Greg Manusky

And he just completed his second season with the Niners. Singletary likes him and intends to keep him on.

Celebrity or Imposter?
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by silverblue5 on Jan 17, 2009 10:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's him, thanks SilverBlue

OK, I’ll scratch him off my list :)

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Jan 17, 2009 10:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

DC

Jim, just call me tyrant. I really like your choice of Romeo Crennel. Imagine Crennel and Wade brainstroming defense before a game, two 3-4 masters! I think it would help the team tremendously.

by beautifultyrant on Jan 17, 2009 6:50 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Crennel undecided..

…. until he has hip surgery.

http://nationalpost.pa-sportsticker.com/default.aspx?s=nfl-news-display&nid=A40603341232129798A

"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams

by Jim Vance on Jan 17, 2009 7:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

There is another bright spot about Garrett staying that most people are over looking........

The tight end coach is also staying. Laugh if you want to but John Garrett would have definitely gone with him. And he did one hell of job last year with Witten and Bennett. I for one think he would have been a big loss.

by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 17, 2009 7:29 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

yea i thought of that

carrot stays means the carrot bros. stays as well
and marty b and john continue their loving relationship

"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips

by MrMinority on Jan 17, 2009 7:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams

by Jim Vance on Jan 17, 2009 7:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i hope we get to keep garrett

i may be the only patient cowboy fan alive but…
i think it is important for us to be good every year and if we loose a solid future coach like JG then we will be blowing things up next year unless wade gets a few playoff wins. if we keep JG at least we have some continuity. honestly 9 and 7 aint too bad. the key is to stay in SB contention and drastic changes will not amount to that. right now even every BSPN analyst will admit that we are a solid contender for the title next year. we loose JG, we have a bad year next year, fire wade, and welcome back to 5 and 11. as long as the steelers loose this weekend the cowboys can still call themselves the best franchise of all time. why are we not concerned with that, afterall we do have more NFC championships than they AFC.

by Becho on Jan 17, 2009 9:15 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Sorry Jerry, apathy has set in. I almost don't care about any of this anymore.

I’ll still watch them. I’ll still cheer for them. But every time “something else” happens, I’ll care that much less.

by TacoKid on Jan 17, 2009 10:12 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

A Great Weekend

Headline… Princeton-schooled Garrett too smart to take the Rams job. Jason to stick with Jones for foreseeable future.

by Montecito Tex on Jan 17, 2009 11:27 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

get tougher

i dislike the eagles very much but they may be onto something. when mcnabb stunk it up he got benched. i say the same should happen on dallas. if a receiver quits on a route that results in int then bench him. and if qb is throwing pick after pick then bench him. it will send a message to all these young,impressionable players we have.

by maxdout on Jan 17, 2009 11:54 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

There's no way RHG is Werder's inside man

Go back to the story Werder reported about TO storming into JG’s office along with the rest of the WRs and complaining about Romo and Witten. As we all know, what really happened is that JG called each of the WRs in for a meeting to discuss any concerns they had about the offense.

If JG is Werder’s boy in the locker room, how then does Easy Ed get that story that wrong?

Doesn’t compute for me.

by DannyWhite on Jan 18, 2009 12:00 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Werder

Why is everyone so quick to believe that Werder even has a source?

by NICK L on Jan 18, 2009 9:27 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You have a very

good point. I mean T.O. called the man a liar and you didn’t even get the usual reporter comment of “I will stand by my story,”It also is very curious to me that Witten, a guy who hasn’t opened his mouth at all since he been in Dallas is suddenly vocal about T.O. being “jealous?”

by jevans1729 on Jan 18, 2009 1:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Did anyone actually see Ed Werder the week following TO calling him out as a liar ???

I believe he was put on leave or suspended by ESPN for his crap journalism, and made up garbage.

by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 19, 2009 3:11 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

For those of you calling for Jason Garrett's head. . .

I watched the Cowboys-Falcons 1980 Divisional Playoff game tonight on ESPN2, which I highly recommend. Recall that the 1980 Cowboys were not only coached by Tom Landry, but Dan Reeves was his offensive coordinator (as he had been since the 1977 Super Bowl season) and Jim Myers, who had been coaching with Landry in Dallas since 1962, was the assistant head coach and offensive line coach. Dallas had scored 383 points in the regular season, were loaded with offensive talent (Tony Dorsett, Drew Pearson, Tony Hill, Butch Johnson, Billy Ju Dupree, Ron Springs, Preston Pearson et al), but Atlanta dominated the game up until the 4th quarter. Despite the impressive pedigrees of the Cowboys coaching staff, Drew Pearson said that the coaches were completely confused by the coverages run by the Falcon defense and thus the Cowboys were able to do nothing through the air. Tom Rafferty said that it took the Cowboy coaches 3 quarters until they finally figured out the Falcons defense. So, the Cowboys entered the 4th quarter having scored only 10 points and were down 24-10. Jerry Glanville, who was the Falcons defensive coordinator, told his defense to keep doing what they were doing, because he claimed that Landry never make adjustments to his offense during the game. Danny White recounted Landry’s calm at halftime, reiterating both the game plan and his confidence that the team could successfully execute it. Needless to say, they did, winning 30-27 on 2 late Danny White touchdown passes to Drew Pearson.

I bring this up because so many on this blog calling for Jason Garrett’s head rest their reasoning almost entirely on the loss to the Ravens. Recall Ed Reed and Ray Lewis (ignoring their obvious bias toward Garrett) playing the role of Jerry Glanville criticizing the Cowboy’s offense. Tony Romo and others cited for us the confusion in figuring out the Ravens defense, just as Tom Rafferty and Danny White. Yet, just as in 1980, the Cowboys, who had managed only 7 points the first 3 quarters, rallied to score 17 behind 2 Romo touchdown passes to bring Dallas back into the game. Arguably, if the Cowboys defense had held the Ravens as they did the Falcons in 1980 (with Ed Jones tiptoing on the line of scrimmage to avoid an offsides and stumbling right into a key 3rd down running play), Romo would have brought the Cowboys back again for the winning score.

If even the greatest coaches of all time can be challenged from time to time, why should it surprise us that Garrett may as well? And, such unthinking analysis overlooks the fact that the Cowboys did eventually figure out the Ravens defense and scored 17 4th quarter points. I, for one, am quite pleased that it appears Jason Garrett will return to the Cowboys next season.

by NCCowboy on Jan 18, 2009 12:17 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Dallas scored 454 points in the 1980 regular season

and the week before they had crushed the Rams in the wilcard playoff game, 34-13, running up over 500 yards offense. That was a great offense, the Danny White 80-83 offenses.

But point taken…

by DavidH22 on Jan 18, 2009 8:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Until the RHG

figures it out to run slants with RW2, TO out of the slot across the middle and Witten down the middle I have no faith this guy understands any offense.

How do the Pats distribute the ball to Moss,Welker,gabney,maroney etc.
How do the cards distribute the ball to boldin,fitzgerald,breaston,highsmith
how did the rams distribute the ball to bruce,faulk,holt and finally
how did aikman distribute the ball to irvin,novacek,harper,smith. Simple.
Slants to Irvin, down the middle to novacek, harper outside and smith out of the back field.

It ain’t that hard RHG!!!!!!!!!!!!

by oneforthethumb on Jan 18, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Also watched that

and agree with the point.

OneThumb must be the Pats OC or someone if it’s so easy for him.

Players also have to be focused and pull their heads out.
Those old Cowboys teams have a different (read:focused) look about them, don’t they????

by Realist Larry on Jan 18, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Stop

He gave three examples. All legit ones, last year on the Pats they found a way to please EVERY player on offense, we have trouble getting our play makers the ball…that is on the OC

by joey7289 on Jan 18, 2009 12:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Stop it.

every other OC gets their star players the ball.

Not us. We’re too smart for the entire league.

by oneforthethumb on Jan 18, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's not for lack of trying

TO, Witten, MB3 all got the majority of plays called to get the ball to them.

Next season look for Bennett and Felix Jones to be more of a focus.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Jan 19, 2009 1:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

resting our opinions solely on the Baltimore debacle ? I think not.

He was terrible the entire season, more so against the Giants, game1, Redskins game 1, and Eaqles game 2. Pittsburgh, St Louis, Arizona, Tampa…18th in the league in scoring is unacceptable with this offensive talent.

But thanks for the memories. I loved that game against Atlanta way back when.

by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 19, 2009 3:20 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's the Quarterback Stupid...

Garrett’s schemes had Owens and Austin running wide open in the close-out game of Texas Stadium vs. Baltimore… but the Cowboys’ undrafted quarterback had another case of the yips and couldn’t hit the broad side of the barn. Tex just wants to win one more Super Bowl before setting off into the 75-degree Montecito sunset. Fire Brian Stewart, the most unqualified coordinator in the NFL, and get Tony Romo a sports psychologist.

by Montecito Tex on Jan 18, 2009 12:33 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

To be fair . .

Our “he works so hard, he just wants to win, we can’t win without him” star wide receiver “lost” his in the lights. I believe our celebrity QB was in the neighborhood with that pass.

by NCCowboy on Jan 18, 2009 12:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

it's not the qb stupid

its the OL playing bad, receivers not getting open and inuries.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 18, 2009 1:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1 Tex

Romo was butt aweful in that game against Baltimore.

I can’t even pin that one on Garrett.

by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 19, 2009 3:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not out of the woods yet on JG...

Isn’t the Jets position still up for grabs? I don’t recall JG being an option, but the Jets just got jacked off any chance to hire Spagnuola.

by Turbo73 on Jan 18, 2009 5:11 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Why does everybody assume....

Garrett is responsible for the offensive success in 2007? I really don’t understand.

Can someone please explain that to me. It was obvious this season Garrett was riding Sporano’s coat-tail all of 07.

"Remember this. Bear Bryant retired at age 69, and he died 28 days after he stopped coaching. If you don't have something, and a purpose in your life, you're gonna die."- Lou Holtz (funny old man)

by BLUE_Thru-n-Thru on Jan 18, 2009 6:55 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Well if you dont credit the OC for success you cant reasonably blame him for failure

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 18, 2009 6:59 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I suppose.

"Remember this. Bear Bryant retired at age 69, and he died 28 days after he stopped coaching. If you don't have something, and a purpose in your life, you're gonna die."- Lou Holtz (funny old man)

by BLUE_Thru-n-Thru on Jan 18, 2009 7:08 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Roles

Let’s remember Sparano and Garrett’s respective roles in 2007. Garrett called the passing plays and Sparano the running plays.

In 2007, the passing game was certainly more successful than the running game.

A good running game can definitely open up the passing game, but this was not really the case in Dallas in 2007, where a large chunk of Dallas’ rushing yards came from MBIII in the 4th quarter, once the passing game had already given the ’Boys a nice lead.

Better Reasons for the Drop-Off:

-2nd Year-If you think the Dolphins are going to win more than 7 games next year, I’d like to talk to you about a bridge I have for sale…you’ll make your money back in tolls this month!
        -this is where the predictability comes in. Teams didn’t have much film on Romo or Garrett in 07
-Injuries
-O-Line play-The REAL harm associated with losing Sparano!
-Tougher Schedule. The NFC east was more talented in 2007 and we also had to play the Steelers, Ravens, Bucs and Cardinals. While we did play the Patriots and Colts in 07, their Defenses weren’t as good and wouldn’t have put a damper on the offense in the same way that Pitt and Baltimore did.

So…I think there are more than enough explanations for Garrett’s fall from grace…Sparano calling the run plays in the 4th isn’t one of them.

by NICK L on Jan 18, 2009 9:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think you make some good points...

…the one thing about the O-Line in ‘08 that confused me was adding Hudson Houck. I thought I read that he and Flo had a bad relationship on Houck’s first go round. So, if your left tackle is the key position on your o-line, why bring in a coach that you know your LT won’t relate to?

I’m not blaming Houck for everything but I just didn’t understand that rationale.

"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams

by Jim Vance on Jan 18, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Flo is old, and I'm worried he is on the downhill slide of his career.

The reason, IMO, that Hud was brought in, was to tutor the younger linemen. The other guys and the draft picks for 2009.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Jan 19, 2009 1:14 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He was also in charge of preparing the game plan, and running the offensive line blocking schemes on BOTH the running plays, and pass plays.

So you can credit Romo’s great ‘07 passing campaign to Sparono’s great O line coaching.

as we all like to blame Romo degression on the poor play of the O Line..

well that ALL falls at the feet of the OC.

btw. I am sure Miami will win at least 7 games next season. Garrett couldn’t hold Sparano’s jock when it comes to coaching.

by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 19, 2009 3:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How many slants

did RW2 catch this year? Better yet how mnay slants di the RHG call this year?

That is the OC fault!!

by oneforthethumb on Jan 18, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

nahh...Your dead on BLUE

It was Sparano that game planned, ran the running plays, the O line blocking, and pass protection schemes.

ALL fascets of that regressed terribly a year later…coincidence ??? NOT

by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 19, 2009 3:28 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

east west shrine game write-up great stuff

east-west shrine game

1:02pm – ESPN Draft mini guru Todd McShay in the house. That should make for some very interesting information.

1:05pm – Penn State’s career reception leader Deon Butler will be in action. He’s not getting love in the wide receiver projections right now. Also, they’re talking about Bobby Ross. I forgot he coached the Georgia Tech national title team from 1990 before taking the Chargers to the Super Bowl. One of the few college to pro success stories (we’ll forget his time with the Lions).

Game Rules
Offense: No motion or shifting, 2 feet in for wide receivers, only 2 running backs
Defense: Only 4-3, no blitz, only man-to-man

1:11 – Tom Brandstater threw a nice little slant for the first down. ESPN projects him as the #17 QB. That throw and his next throw show some quality arm strength. We’ll see what kind of accuracy he has.

1:13 – Gartrell Johnson, CSU running back, with a big rush into East territory. He rushed for 285 yards in the New Mexico Bowl. McShay says he’s one of the fastest rising performers. He’s 5’10, 227. Definitely a baby bull type of player it looks like.

1:17 – How’s about a 285 pound fullback (5’11). Yes I’m talking about Jorvorskie Lane of Texas A&M. The announcers (McShay and Andre Ware) are ripping into him for being overweight. On that drive he got the ball on 3rd and goal form the 2 and 4th and goal from the 1 and couldn’t get it in.

1:22 – Wow. HORRIBLE call on a pass interference. The defender hit the receiver square just before the ball got to him. I really don’t see how that wasn’t pass interference. Anybody??? Hopefully Bobby Ross (the East coach) is unhappy with that call

A lot more info in the link

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 18, 2009 10:24 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Don't the Raiders need a head coach?

Garrett has one more chance. He doesn’t seem to want to stay here, and if he’s Werder’s source, he’s not content. TO isn’t happy with the offense, but he wants to be in Dallas and win in Dallas.

by ym on Jan 18, 2009 10:31 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Rams fans did NOT want Red Headed Step Child

Rams fans revolting over thought of Garrett as HC

“As word spread Friday afternoon that Garrett was heading to St. Louis, the Rams’ ticket office was flooded with angry calls from fans about his possible selection,” Rams beat man Jim Thomas wrote.

Gee. That’s not exactly rolling out the red carpet.

Genius to unwanted possible cowardly Werder source in a year. Only thing that’s taken a beating like Garrett’s rep is the Dow Jones.

by PaulFVillarreal on Jan 18, 2009 10:54 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

LOL

I hope they are happy with Spags that defense has very little talent. There best defensive player is Atogewe. I don’t think the Long or Carriker are that talented..

Good luck spags..

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 18, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

**

I don’t think that Long or Carriker is that talented..

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 18, 2009 11:02 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I would have to assume you never seen them play

Or you miraculously know more than every scout in the NFL that had them ranked appropriately in the top half of round 1.

 DE-Little and MLB-Witherspoon aren’t too shabby either

They can use help at DT, OLB, CB, and SS though, which could easily be upgraded through FA and the draft. OL needs needs influx of talent. They must resign or franchise Atogwe. I do believe they’ll be around 20 million under the cap, and go out and get a:
 
CB-Asumugha, Robinson, Goodman, Foxworth
DE-Peppers, Suggs, Canty, Berry
DT-Haynesworth, Bernard, Tank Johnson
LB-Scott, Dansby, Hill, Vilma, Boley
SS-Sensabaugh, Jones, Bell, Phillips, Sanders
OT-Gross, Carey, Stinchcomb, Runyen

Draft O Lineman with 1st rounder.
DL-LB-CB in round 2
DL-LB-SS in round 3
LB-SS-OL in round 4
LB-DB-DL in round 5
WR-RB 6th
LB-DL 7th

They’ll be at least 8-8 next season.

by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 19, 2009 4:09 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

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