Ray Lewis, Jason Garrett, T.O. and Roy Williams; it's a Cowboys world
Lots of gossipy, read-between-the-lines "news" out today about the Cowboys. We'll start with the one everyone is talking about - Ray Lewis to the Cowboys? The Baltimore Sun goes further than mere speculation and actually gives specific proposed contract numbers.
Word around the NFL is that the Dallas Cowboys are very interested in obtaining Ravens inside linebacker Ray Lewis if he becomes a free agent. The speculation is that the Cowboys are willing to give Lewis a three-year deal worth between $27 and $30 million, with $25 million guaranteed.
The Cowboys could certainly use someone with Ray's ability to be a leader in the locker room and on the field. No one has ever questions Ray's heart or intensity. But he is climbing up there in age.
Stay tuned tomorrow as Rafael will have a piece on Ray Lewis, Zach Thomas and playing ILB in the 3-4 defense.
Hat tip to Starred4Life for his FanPost.

Moving on to a subject that won't go away for a while, Jason Garrett and his WR corps. Garrett is down at Mobile for the Senior Bowl so I guess that answers any question about his return as the Cowboys' OC. But when asked about his relationship with T.O., he was notably short and cryptic.
"I certainly have a lot of respect for him as a player," Garrett said. "And we'll just leave it at that."
Hmm, you can certainly read a lot into that comment.
Meanwhile, Jerry Jones had some comments about RW2.
"We are very pleased to have Roy Williams," Jones said. "We saw an opportunity to get a player that can be our No. 1 receiver. ... We gave up the one and the three, which I thought was good for Detroit. ...
"We weren't able to really utilize Roy with the success that we hoped to as the season went along, but that's coming. As I look to the future, Roy will be our X receiver as I look down the road. He's at that stage in his career."
Sounds like Jones wants Williams to earn it, though.
"He's got a lot of work to do this off-season - and he's going to do it, and will do it - but a lot of work regarding strength and conditioning," Jones said. "That'll help him stay on the field."
OK, read into that whatever you will.

You knew it was coming, the inevitable why isn't T.O like Larry Fitzgerald comparison. Tim MacMahon over at the DMN blog takes the honors. Then there's the whole Todd Haley/Anquan Boldin meltdown on the field during the all-important game-winning drive. Will this get played up in the media like it would if it was T.O.? Doubtful. In fact, T.O. and Haley's spat that occurred during practice a few years ago probably got more coverage.
Hat tip to JimmyJohnson for that link.
But Larry Fitzgerald had something to say about Haley that was very interesting.
On the awards podium after the victory, Fitzgerald sought out offensive coordinator Todd Haley.
"Thank you," he said, "for keeping your foot on my throat for two years."
It's not often you hear about players thanking a coach for being hard on them. Martellus Bennett might want to do the same to John Garrett somewhere down the line. Can Reggie Herring to do the same for Anthony Spencer?
Also, stay tuned later tonight when Rafael is going to drop an in-depth look at T.O., Roy Williams and receivers in general. Should be fascinating stuff.
To finish off with Todd Haley, I liked this excerpt from an article about the gadget play they ran for the TD in the championship game.
The play is called "Philly Special," and Haley brought it from the Dallas Cowboys, where he was passing-game coordinator. Saturday night, he instructed third-string quarterback Brian St. Pierre to watch for the proper time to run it, when Philadelphia's defense was just so.
"I was going back and forth whether I wanted to call it or not, and then Brian came up to me and said, 'Philly Special,' " Haley said. "And that was all I needed. I had the personnel in there and everything, but I was going back and forth between that play and a conservative play. When he nudged me, I went ahead with it."
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Yeah...
That was a cool article on that play.
I think its funny that its called the “Philly Special”
by AirforceBat on Jan 19, 2009 5:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
An aging, high-priced free agent? Does Jerry still think we're a player
away from going to the Super Bowl?
by Fernie67 on Jan 19, 2009 5:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
We need
some leadership in the locker room and on the field, but surely we can find one(s) with a little more tread on the tires.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Jan 19, 2009 5:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dawkins-Lewis
This will solidify our defense with quality leaders. Put bulk of the deal during the second year so we don’t have to mess with salary cap ramifications.
by Monkey Brain on Jan 19, 2009 5:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the Eagles are letting Dawkins go
But I could be wrong.
by joey7289 on Jan 19, 2009 5:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cowboys
Could money whip him with a large signing bonus. We are going to have increased revenues because of the new stadium.
by Monkey Brain on Jan 19, 2009 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Eagles don't give guys in their 30's big contracts.
by houseofprime on Jan 19, 2009 6:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. That's been their team policy under Owner Jeff Lurie
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
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by silverblue5 on Jan 19, 2009 8:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would agree
If I didn’t read a report saying they think Dawkins will be back.
by joey7289 on Jan 19, 2009 9:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Big Contracts
The Cowboys shouldn’t give players in their 30’s big contracts either. T.O. still has a lot to prove to earn his money besides one good year.
by DallasSooner on Jan 20, 2009 6:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes Jerry Thinks We Are On The Cusp
He has been thinking this for 13 years. The problem is that these short term bridge type moves lengthen the fundamental development of a championship team. 13 years is a long long time.
by Iowacowboy on Jan 19, 2009 6:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good Stuff
I liked the Fitz quote, and I hope we go after Ray but don’t over pay for him.
by joey7289 on Jan 19, 2009 5:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Let's pay D Ware first before we employ another criminal
Let T.O. Go!
by Captain Comeback on Jan 19, 2009 5:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
yeah
i don’t think you understand the definition of ‘criminal’.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
The Wrestler
by Longhorn on Jan 19, 2009 5:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Awwww
Ignore him dude,
Captaincomeback is a joke.
by AirforceBat on Jan 19, 2009 5:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
Isn’t there a worthy FA we could consider who doesn’t have that kind of history?
by StillHateTheGiants on Jan 19, 2009 6:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why dont you look up his history
and listen to the man talk about it. Statements like this are born out of ignorance.
by Impatient on Jan 19, 2009 8:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
co-sign
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
by silverblue5 on Jan 19, 2009 8:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 19, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh spare me your PC judgement
Why don’t you enlighten me? Are you referring to his whitewashed history or the facts. I’m happy to debate either.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jan 20, 2009 7:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Please explain to me
What was whitewashed. The guy witnessed a murder. He didnt want to rat out his friend and didn’t go to the cops with the information he had. He saw the light, realized his old relationships were not worth sacrificing his career over and changed his ways.
by Impatient on Jan 20, 2009 8:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No way Ray
No way I would give Ray lewis $25 milion guaranteed! Now, sure I would sign him for a 2-3 year deal but not for that much money – at his age. I think it’s important that we add a ILB but I would rather do it through the draft.
by tyler2 on Jan 19, 2009 5:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The shame is we
have no one in the locker room that can fill this void.
I don’t want to pay $ 25 million to a guy for leadership.
Either Ware or James ebtter step up as a leader
Let’s give RW1 another chance.
by oneforthethumb on Jan 19, 2009 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"I don't want to pay $25 millionto a guy for leadership"
I don’t either, unless his name is Gruden or Shanahan. Let’s start with a leader at the top.
by Boundforbeach on Jan 19, 2009 6:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ruh Roh
“I certainly have a lot of respect for him as a player,” Garrett said. “And we’ll just leave it at that.”
A lot can be read into this comment, and it’s pretty damning.
Come and whisper in my ear, give us dirty laundry - ESPN
by Nelson... on Jan 19, 2009 5:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe garrett should
grow up and work this thing out.
Neither of them are going anywhere soon.
You think the Iggles miss TO?
They haven’t been to the SB since TO left..
by oneforthethumb on Jan 19, 2009 5:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know....
I’m sure its easy to say to “grow up” but I’m sure TO’s act gets pretty old quickly.
I mean in all honesty he IS the coach and TO is the player.
I mean if anyone should grow up its Owens…
And I’m a TO defender!
by AirforceBat on Jan 19, 2009 6:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
At least TO
has the courage to say something.
Garrett runs around thinking he is smarter than everyone becasue he went to Princeton and was Aikman’s backup.
How do the Pats get the ball to everyone in their offense?
How did the Cards yesterday have almost everyone of their star players touch the ball?
Becasue Haley doesn’t think he is smarter than everyone!!!!!! That’s how.
Now we will see what the RHG can do after being denied every open HC job.
I guess the RHG gets a zero for being able to work with difficult people. Not a good leadership trait!!!
by oneforthethumb on Jan 19, 2009 6:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Look I think Garrett definitly didn’t have a good gameplan this year but…
“Garrett runs around thinking he is smarter than everyone becasue he went to Princeton and was Aikman’s backup.”
I didn’t know you worked at Valley Ranch.
I mean are you drunk?
Your just making assumptions with nothing to back it up. I agree that there was a BIG problem in play calling, but give me a break with these childish rants.
I guess Andy Reid got a zero too right?
Psssh.
by AirforceBat on Jan 19, 2009 7:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
All I know is it took the defenses 8 games to figure us out last year.
This year it took 4 games.
You tell me who is the gensius.
As I stated before why can’t we get the ball to all our star players.
You know what Andy reid is a zero.
Been there how many times without the big victory.
You’re next post is you will want fat Andy as our coach and Donovan as our QB.
PS why didn’t Garrett get one sniff at a HC job.
It is not too hard to figure out.
He sXXXX!!
by oneforthethumb on Jan 19, 2009 9:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
actually he wanted too much money...
that’s (reportedly) why the Rams hired Spags over RHG
by AikmanNailedMySis on Jan 20, 2009 7:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not really.....Spags was there guy all along....
Spags and GM Bill Devaney are close friends. Devaney was on Sirus Radio and said Spags was the front runner with JG and Frazier a close second…..
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 20, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Cards have almost all their stars touch the ball?
Then why did they have a player yelling at the OC during a drive? Seems like not everyone is happy there either
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 19, 2009 9:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if anyone needs to grow up, its T.O.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 19, 2009 6:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I’m guessing that everything was fine last year, and now TO’s going down the same road he has twice before. Does this guy think he can get a better deal with another team at this stage in his career?
Drew Rosenhous has a good relationship with Jerry, maybe, as crazy as it sounds, he can be the voice of reason in advising TO.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Jan 19, 2009 8:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think he is "going down the same road he has twice before"
There is a bif=g difference between what happened in Philly and San Fran and whats going on here
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 19, 2009 9:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
*bif=g should read big
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 19, 2009 9:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, his motivation is not about money this time
and I should have written, TO appears to be starting down the same road. It’s not yet at critical mass like SF or PHI, but the early warning signals are going off.
I just hope TO and Garrett can co-exist next season.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Jan 19, 2009 11:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
me thinks not by Garretts comments.....
Somebody is gone….or it could get ugly next year..
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 20, 2009 12:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt either goes
May not be the smartest move but I have a feeling Jerry is going to force this on everyone.
by joey7289 on Jan 20, 2009 12:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he wants both
But he needs to really take a hard look, with this being a team loaded with talent and entering a billion dollar new stadium in about 8 months. He’s got a tough decision to make soon.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Jan 20, 2009 1:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was some australian slang
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Jan 20, 2009 8:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they've won 3 or 4 playoff games without T.O.
which by the way is 3 or 4 more than they won with him.
by DavidH22 on Jan 19, 2009 7:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So your happy making it to the championship game
And losing every year?
by joey7289 on Jan 19, 2009 9:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Garrett
sounds grown up to me. Maybe Jason should take a lesson from Todd Haley in how to deal with infantile players.
This team is going nowhere until we unload Owens. Adios, El Dorado.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Jan 20, 2009 9:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Question.
Do you think Haley, D. McNabb, Jeff Garcia, Bill P, and JG will co-author a book “Called the truth about TO”?
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Jan 19, 2009 6:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How many of those
people still wished they could throw a ball to him.
I think at least McScab.
by oneforthethumb on Jan 19, 2009 6:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah
I think they’ll all go the “Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind” route and have Owens scrubbed from their brains.
Come and whisper in my ear, give us dirty laundry - ESPN
by Nelson... on Jan 19, 2009 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome movie
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Jan 19, 2009 8:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There is hope the TO ax might still fall
The TO aplogists are riding high, thinking Jason Garrett was humbled or humliated at not finding a HC job and that the flip side of this is that TO is staying and won the struggle. I still think TO might be on his way out.
by Iowacowboy on Jan 19, 2009 6:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Garrett wants him gone, then I think he's gone.
As crazy as Jerry might be, I don’t think he’ll chose a young coach over an aging player.
Come and whisper in my ear, give us dirty laundry - ESPN
by Nelson... on Jan 19, 2009 6:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it would be better that way.
Come and whisper in my ear, give us dirty laundry - ESPN
by Nelson... on Jan 19, 2009 6:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I still think Garrett will be replaced by a real offensive mind
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 19, 2009 7:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
give it up and accept Garrett will be OC in 2009
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 19, 2009 9:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1 word is out he sucks...lucky us.....
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 19, 2009 10:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Giving up
on Garrett after his second (winning) year is stupid.
Sure glad the Cowboys didn’t give up on Tom Landry when the word was out that he sucked back in the early days.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Jan 20, 2009 9:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Landry never lost...
Once he had players as talented as these. Plus he had already proven himslef as a DC before becoming a head coach. Garrett has not even proven himslef as an OC yet.
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
by gee-roj on Jan 20, 2009 9:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
this team isn’t as talented as you think.
Garrett is that “football guy” everyone talks about us needing. He is green, but he will make an excellent coach. You don’t dump a promising young OC after two winning years.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Jan 20, 2009 9:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well said.
He had a bad year like the rest of the crew. I’m tired of the Cowboys giving away all their assistants so they can have success on other teams.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 20, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
JG has had one great year, and one average year. You cant start firing coaches for one season where they struggled a bit. Give him time and Garrett could become very good.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 20, 2009 5:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 19, 2009 10:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup..
…when some one asks you about the blind date you went on and all you can say is…“Uh, she’s got a good personality.”
Those few words spoke volumes!!
Now, as has been said..you don’t have to love everyone you work with…just do your job and count on them to do theirs.
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
by Jim Vance on Jan 19, 2009 7:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Classic non-compliment
“She don’t sweat much for a fat gal.”
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Jan 20, 2009 9:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It can be perceived as extremely unprofessional on Garrett's part. He was given a chance to smooth it out..
IF indeed boy carrot had respect for TO as a player, He would accepty incite from such player, and would work his play calling around such players strength, which is crossing routes, being put in the slot, and putting him in motion, which I am sure said player has suggested on several occasions. It’s the stubborn BS play caller Carrot that gets no respect from his players, and more than half the team would side with TO over Carrot if put to a vote as to who should go.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 19, 2009 7:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How do you know that?
You just make things up and pass them off as fact. You complain about people continuing to discuss TO’s possible departure, but never stop saying the same things about JG. I dont get it
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 19, 2009 10:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Its obvious..he's a Garrett hater, he can't deny that
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 20, 2009 7:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
your right. I hate Jason Garrett.
I think he sucks. I know this team would be better with an better signal caller.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 20, 2009 7:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't you say you wanted Sherman?
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Jan 20, 2009 10:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Sherman would do a fine job....
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 20, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
WHY
What has he done? I tried to Wikipedia him couldn’t find anything.. People are calling for a guy that may be no better then JG. I am just wondering why? Do you have any numbers? Something tangible?
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Jan 20, 2009 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If he mixed it up
I would take him, I would probably would take anyone who didn’t go pass run pass the entire game like he did vs. the ravens.
by joey7289 on Jan 20, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The last guy
who “sucked” because he clashed with TO, Todd Haley, is now getting his receivers ready for the Super Bowl.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Jan 20, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ILB
Keep your eye on the following guys the Boys might be interested in.
- Darry Beckwith, LSU, Height: 6-1. Weight: 232.
Projected 40 Time: 4.55.
- Dannell Ellerbe, Georgia, Height: 6-1. Weight: 235.
Projected 40 Time: 4.60
- Jason Phillips, TCU, Height: 6-1. Weight: 234.
Projected 40 Time: 4.55
- Scott McKillop, Pittsburgh, Height: 6-2. Weight: 243.
Projected 40 Time: 4.69
- Worrell Williams, California, Height: 6-2. Weight: 249.
Projected 40 Time: 4.68.
Speaking of the draft. I saw a 4 round mock. It had the Boys doing the following.
2. Darry Beckwith , ILB, LSU
3. Nic Harris , SS, Oklahoma
4. Ron Brace, NT, BC
4. A.Q. Shipley , OC, Penn State
by tyler2 on Jan 19, 2009 5:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Jason Phillips
I watched his college career and he would be a great pick. A tough player who reminds me of a young Zach Thomas.
by Monkey Brain on Jan 19, 2009 5:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Where is he projected to land? 2nd-3rd round?
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Jan 19, 2009 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LSU
So Dallas would have two ILB’s from the same college?
That’d be crazy.
by AirforceBat on Jan 19, 2009 6:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This Is A Wet Dream Draft
2. Darry Beckwith , ILB, LSU
3. Nic Harris , SS, Oklahoma
4. Ron Brace, NT, BC
4. A.Q. Shipley , OC, Penn State
by Iowacowboy on Jan 19, 2009 6:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
does Brace really last until round 4?
'he nails an open three from the corner....just like you and me, this one was made by penetration' - Truthaboutit - Round 1 Game 5 Recap
by KDP on Jan 19, 2009 6:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
was wondering the same exact thing, KDP!
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by silverblue5 on Jan 19, 2009 8:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nic Harris
I was a big RW1 fan and argued to the point of exhaustion in his defense. I gave up after the big hits stopped. Nic Harris is a poor man’s RW1.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Jan 19, 2009 8:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I also saw a mock draft that had us taking Beckwith in the 2nd round.
HUGE mistake, and a very uninformed selection, IMO..Not only is that guy undersized, weak, terrible in traffic, can’t get off blocks, and not as fast as listed times, there is no way he fits the mold od a 3-4 ILB. Not to say he sucks, but is purely a 4-3 weakside LB.
The only LB’s listed that fit Dallas’s D are McKillop and Williams, and both could probably be had at the top of the 4th round.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 19, 2009 7:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That draft would be given a C by expert draft analyst.
We can do much better than that. And yes, with the influx of underclassmen, Ron Brace may have slipped into the 3rd-4th round range. IF we don’t go DL in round 2, I’d be interested in Brace in round 3, but not earlier.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 19, 2009 7:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think Brace is a good fit?
This seems like a much weaker class of prospects than last year.
I think Marcus Dixon will play a role (fingers crossed) next season. Be it at NT or DE, he’s big strong and extremely motivated.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Jan 19, 2009 8:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tom, Brace wood make a good situational running down NT, he's no pass rusher like Ratliff.
but that’s all we really need is a run stuffer that plays on obvious running downs. M Dixon is too long, and not stout enough to play inside at NT. strickly a DE prospect.
btw Dixon’s college teammate is the guy we needed to draft last year, Kendall Langford- 3-4 DE (who I had us selecting in my last ’08 mock) was scooped up by Parcells and Ireland of course, early in the 3rd round. He went on to make the all rookie team, and will be a stud for years to come.
If Brace was available for us in the top of round 3, We really should consider him there.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 19, 2009 10:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am glad Garrett stayed.
I think he deserves more time to work his magic!!
"The public doesn’t realize what a great teacher Bill is,‘’ Lombardi said. "He’d rather bring in young people and train them in his way than bring in experienced guys who say, ‘Well, this is always the way I’ve done it,’ and wouldn’t be as open to new ideas.’’ Belichick went only 37-45 in his five years as coach, but check out who was in the football-knowledge incubator during that time:
Bill was a loser before he was a winner..
Link
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Jan 19, 2009 6:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Huh ?? Who is teaching or mentoring JG here ?? huge difference
Jason Garrett has worked under now unemployed Scott Lenihan for a season in Miami ?..Where is the similarity here ?
More rallying cry’s
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 19, 2009 7:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I mentioned nothing about mentoring him..
My point is Bill B. lost more then he won until he got his system in place.. It doesn’t happen over night..
Jason G. doesn’t have his system in place, plus he is still learning. Jason G. has growing pains like every coach.. Patience is the key, did you read the article or just the quote?That is why I included it. Kraft didn’t blink after Bill B. struggled his 1st season. JG one great season and one average season..
Yes, I am a Jason G. supporter!! You can’t sway me from that, I know you can’t give a guy two years and expect him to out wit coaches like Jimmy Johnson, Dick Lebeau, and Rex Ryan. These guys have been calling defenses for years.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Jan 19, 2009 8:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 19, 2009 10:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BP took over the worst team in the league when he first started in the league at NYG.
Of course he is to be given latitude and time to properly build a winning product. He took over a NE Patriots team that was consistantly in the upper half of the leagues standing, He took over a NY Jets team that was just a few players from being successful and competitive, He took over a Dallas team that had no QB, but the #1 ranked D in the prior season. He turned them all around, sure, some people feel that can be done in FA and the draft. He left Dallas with a very verty talented nucleus of offensive weapons, and JJ has since added even more.
Don’t give me that nonsense that Garrett needs more time to figure out how to call plays..You either know how to call a game, or you don’t, I thought it was a terrible hire to begin with by JJ, and still feel that way.
You do not give the keys of a SB worthy offense to a key who doesn’t even have a learners permit for pete’s sake.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 19, 2009 10:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
-1
“Don’t give me that nonsense that Garrett needs more time to figure out how to call plays..You either know how to call a game, or you don’t”.
So your actually saying that co-ordinators dont improve with experience. That once they get into the league their talent level then is the same as it will always be. Ludacris
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 19, 2009 10:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But Shanahan could and right now...
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
by gee-roj on Jan 20, 2009 9:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
More from same article
b. Jason Garrett didn’t strike while the iron was hot last year, when he could have coached Atlanta or Baltimore. And he may be paying for it for years to come. When he lost out on the St. Louis job, Garrett, barring the absolutely misguided idea of getting involved in Oakland or the longshot chance in Kansas City if that turns over, likely bought himself another year in the slippery coaching slope that is Dallas. And no one on the Cowboys coaching staff should be buying a big home in Texas anytime soon. So Garrett could go from turning down the Ravens gig in 2008 to — just maybe — being someone’s quarterback coach in 2010.
c. Speaking of career-wreckers and Garrett, no, I do not think Terrell Owens will be a Cowboy in 2009. It’s not going to happen soon, but I believe Jerry Jones will come to the smart decision that Owens is a cancer and needs to be cut out.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Jan 19, 2009 6:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Garrett will have too much to worry about.
If Mike Martz can continue to get OC jobs…..
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by Nelson... on Jan 19, 2009 6:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well...
Martz directed the best offenses in NFL history from 99-01
by DavidH22 on Jan 19, 2009 7:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1 David. Teams don't hire OC's with dysfunctional offensive schemes that have no identity.
18th in league scoring doesn’t have teams standing in line waiting for him.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 19, 2009 8:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
And I actually think the best offense in NFL history was last years patriots.
by AirforceBat on Jan 19, 2009 8:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes for one year the Pats set an all-time scoring record
but from 99-01 the Rams scored over 500+ points each year and set all-time NFL records in terms of total yards gained.
Greatest Show on Turf >>>>Cheatriots Offiense
by DavidH22 on Jan 19, 2009 8:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
Yeah its no mistake that Martz is an offensive mad man, but he also had IMO one of the best offensive weapons of all time in Marshall Faulk.
He abandons the run ENTIRELY too fast nowdays.
by AirforceBat on Jan 19, 2009 8:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think
it’s funny, if true, that Jerry is willing to spend a ton of money on an aging linebacker because of his leadership qualities. Why not hire a real HC with the ability to lead an inspire for half of what u would pay Lewis.
by juniorb on Jan 19, 2009 6:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wade just needs
To coach the D from OTA’s on and we will be fine.. He rolls at the D that played TB, Pitt, and NYG- we will be dialed. We brings out the D that played STL, Philly, and Baltimore- it will be a long season.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Jan 19, 2009 6:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And if the same lifeless offense is brought out ? like against St Louis,Tampa, Wash, Philly, NYG, Balt, Pitts ?
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 19, 2009 8:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
-1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 19, 2009 10:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because players rally around players, not coaches getting in their ear. or being all rah rah pom poms...
Dallas needs a vocal leader on the playing field in a huddle, and not on a preactice field, with a bull horn.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 19, 2009 8:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They should rally around coaches as much as players.
Part of a coaches job is to get your players up to play.
by joey7289 on Jan 19, 2009 9:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought there was a better chance then most that Ray Lewis could be a Cowboy.
Hes not going to come cheap and I don’t see Baltimore giving him the money he wants. The Cowboys could just give him a fat signing bonus since money is no object to Jerry.
by houseofprime on Jan 19, 2009 6:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Isnt signing bonus part of the salary cap?
Isnt that more of an issue for Jerry than the money itself
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 19, 2009 10:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I love how everybody but the people who are in the locker room
call T.O. a cancer. I willing to bet that a lot more guys on the team like T.O. then dislike him.
by houseofprime on Jan 19, 2009 6:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
why
Do you think that?
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by Wmillion on Jan 19, 2009 6:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Everybody who talks is a nameless "source."
Witten is the only guy thats been mention as somebody that might dislike T.O. which I don’t believe either.
by houseofprime on Jan 19, 2009 6:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
funny thing is..
You don’t hear a lot of guys from SF or Philly say they loved playing with TO.
I think they all realize he is tremendous talent..
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by Wmillion on Jan 19, 2009 6:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Brian Dawkins
still maintains that he loved playing with TO. In fact most of the defensive PLAYERS, not consultants, but playlers on the defense loved him.
by Impatient on Jan 19, 2009 8:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It can go both ways
How many guys have come out and said they hated playing with TO?
by joey7289 on Jan 19, 2009 9:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
To my knowledge
2
Jeff Garcia
Donovan McNabb
by Impatient on Jan 19, 2009 9:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I bet there are more that liked playing with TO
Then two QBs, both overrated, and put up some of there best numbers with number 81.
by joey7289 on Jan 19, 2009 9:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nick Eatman
said he believe the nameless source was Tank Johnson
by Impatient on Jan 19, 2009 8:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One thing is for sure, that waste of crap Johnson won't be here next year.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 19, 2009 8:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Would be interesting
If the anonymous player ends up on the same roster with Tank next year. If he gets a job.
by illcowboy on Jan 19, 2009 8:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah. da King was probably the only team owner to give him another chance, and how does he thank him?
By happily yelling “i’m goin’ be a free agent” after getting demolished by Philly in Week 17.
“waste of crap” is about accurate.
good riddens to spank johnson.
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by silverblue5 on Jan 19, 2009 8:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tank
Yeah, what a disappointment he turned out to be. After all the TC and pre-season hype, he turns invisible during the season, then starts throwing a fit on the sideline of the Iggles massacre exclaiming loudly that “He’s the bleep outta here.” Damn straight Tankster.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Jan 19, 2009 9:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 houseofprime, SO very true
Until a day comes when I see an actual player in print call for TO’s dismisal, This is all purely garbage to me.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 19, 2009 8:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
-1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 19, 2009 10:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So we go from worry about getting WARE sign to giving Ray Lewis 25 mil guranteed?
by DooSTan on Jan 19, 2009 6:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ware has got to get signed first.
Everything else should be on the back burner till that gets done.
by Benthere on Jan 19, 2009 6:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I say we sit out FA
2008 was about as solid a draft as we’ve had since the early 90’s. Let’s see what else we can find there.
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by Nelson... on Jan 19, 2009 6:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Cmon this the Dallas Cowboys were talking about.
We have to make at least one splash.
by houseofprime on Jan 19, 2009 6:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Zach really wasn't a splash
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Jan 19, 2009 6:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well we did trade for Roy Williams as well.
Jerry will sign at least one big name guy to give people another reason to buy tickets to JerryWorld.
by houseofprime on Jan 19, 2009 6:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One of my biggest problems with Jerry.
You look at the rest of the NFL. The teams having the most consistent success (Pittsburgh, Indianapolis) build their teams almost exclusively through the draft. The best way to have a team that’s built to last is through the draft. But Jerry continues to believe “If we get this retread player or that retread player, we’ll win it all!”, and we’ll fill the stadium! Heh, a better way to fill the stadium would be a team that actually won something
Thirteen seasons later, we still haven’t won a playoff game. Not. Even. One.
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by Nelson... on Jan 19, 2009 6:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah you're right to a certain degree.
Pittsburgh and Indy have only won 1 Super Bowl each since Polian came to Indy. I think just about all the Steeler’s and Colt’s starters haven’t played for other teams.
by houseofprime on Jan 19, 2009 6:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But Nelson, our team is one of the 5 youngest teams in the league.
Don’t you think our drafted players have alot to do with that ? The only FA’s we have on our roster are O linemen, Hamlin and TO…Where do you see us filled with retreads players ?
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 19, 2009 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say our team was filled with FAs.
but every year Jerry makes one (sometimes two) big splash to plug this or that hole, and the results have been mixed.. Our past (Keyshawn), present (Owens), and future (Roy2) #1 receivers have all been from other teams. And then there’s Tank and Zach, both of whom are likely gone and both will need to be replaced. The Pacman Jones Experiment didn’t work out, so we’ll need at least one more CB….
We’ve been drafting well lately. I just hope we stick with it.
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by Nelson... on Jan 19, 2009 8:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We will continue to draft well, now that Ireland is gone.
And teams that one or two players away from filling glaring holes are always inclined to go FA to fix the problem, especially at O line and WR, where it takes quite a few years to actually determine if they’ll pan out. I have always been an advocate of getting OL and WR via FA….Let some other team grrom them, and swoop in for their talent. Big bust factor drafting WR and OL, as we have experienced over the years, which made us go out and retool our OL with FA’s.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 19, 2009 8:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"We will continue to draft well, now that Ireland is gone."
Are you implying that Ireland wasnt very good? Because Id have to disagree with that
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 19, 2009 10:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I'm implying that he wasn't very good here, He did fairly well in Miami though.
Of course having the first pick in each round, including2-3 in round 2, helps that out quite a bit.
The true brains of the operations was his assistant Tom-our director of scouting…I expect continued great drafts with Tom in charge.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 19, 2009 10:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ive got nothing against getting WRs via free agency
they tend to be a hard position to scout for in the draft
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 19, 2009 10:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Atogewe and Chrowder or Scott
Would be my choice..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Jan 19, 2009 6:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I would rather have Scott as well
but I won’t be upset if we sign Ray.
by houseofprime on Jan 19, 2009 6:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what we need to do. IF we were to aquire Atogwe and/or a LB
We would be able to go into the draft selecting the best players available at any position, with a focus on OL, NT, DL, QB, and LB depth.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 19, 2009 8:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Ravens are goign to sign both.
Terrell is a restricted free agent, so it won’t be to hard to get him back, and then it’s Scott.
by joey7289 on Jan 19, 2009 9:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
all of them UFA'S..
http://www.footballsfuture.com/2009/fa/lb.html
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by Wmillion on Jan 19, 2009 10:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ravens can't sign Lewis, Scott and Suggs...one of them is out...
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 20, 2009 12:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wanna bet??
He is the face of that franchise….he is not going anywhere…..no way…..not happening….
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 20, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There not stupid
They have two younger LBs who can perform better then him, and Ed Reed can easily because the face of that team.
by joey7289 on Jan 20, 2009 11:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They will give him a 3 year deal and front load it..
I’ve been listening to Sirus Radio about this subject and they all seem to think Scott is the guy out. They will resign Suggs and either give Lewis a three year deal or franchise him. I believe there SS is also a UFA…
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 20, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They wouldn't franchise a 30 year old
Who Leonard, I don’t think so. I would franchise Scott before I franchise Lewis but that is just me.
by joey7289 on Jan 20, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
makes sense to franchise Lewis..
lock him up for a year then decide on what to do after that…..He wouldn’t be happy, but it would make sense.
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 20, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or you can sign
Both Suggs and Scott both younger and show more promise, hey I hope Scott is a free agent but I just don’t see it happening.
by joey7289 on Jan 20, 2009 12:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if you don’t live in Maryland then you have no clue how important Ray Lewis is the the Raven franchise. He truely is the heart and soul of that defense. If the Raven fo has shown one thing it is that they can get more LB and actually have back ups that can fill in Scotts or Suggs job. The team needs a leader far more then they need youth.
by archon095 on Jan 20, 2009 1:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont need to live there
I see it everyday on the field, but I’m telling you Suggs, and Scott are more important in the long run. Reed can be the leader, not saying as good as Lewis, but I just don’t see them forking out money when they have two LBs who are younger and nearly as talented that they can hold on to for the long run.
by joey7289 on Jan 20, 2009 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm telling you Lewis will not be the odd man out
He still has 2 more good years left. They want him to retire a Raven. Scott will be the odd man out because he will cost a hell of alot more than Lewis….
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 21, 2009 12:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not disagreeing
With Lewis having two more years, but Bart Scott has at least 6, and Suggs maybe 7 to 8, because of that Lewis will be the odd man out. With all these one day contracts Lewis can retire a Raven regardless.
by joey7289 on Jan 21, 2009 8:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We probably won't be finding an instant starter in the draft, I can tell you that much.
There is plenty of wiggle room with salaries, and cut players, and unsigned FA being let go, We have more than enough money to extend Ware, AND land a player of Ray Lewis stature…no doubt about it.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 19, 2009 8:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why not?
We found 3 starters in last years draft.
Mike Jenkins
Orlando Scandrick
Tashard Choice
We also got great contributors like
Felix Jones
Martellus Bennet
by Impatient on Jan 19, 2009 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's be realistic here guy.
The only reason Scandrick, Jenkins, and Choice even started games were due to injuries to Newman, Henry, MBIII, and loss of Pacman, Not to say they weren’t great selections, but none were originally drafted with the idea they were to start for us their rookie seasons.
The only positions that can be drafted , and have a chance to start day one are at ILB, NT, FS, and even that may change depending on what FA we resign or pick up, and if we decide to cut any vets. There are NO starting job opening here in Dallas at this point.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 19, 2009 8:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying they were drafted to be starters
Or that they would have succeded starting out of the gate. The point was that when needed they came in, started and did a damn fine job. It wasnt because of any of those guys that we lost games.
by Impatient on Jan 19, 2009 8:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My whole point to everyone IS
IF we have the cap money, JERRY will spend it. Sure, signing Ware to an extension is the teams priority, nobody debates that, There is reasonable belief that we’ll resign RFA Miles Austin as well. But it’s no sure bet we will be able to resign Canty, Burnett, Bowen, Hurd, or Proctor, or if any of those guys will want to resign here either. IF all of those mentioned players go elsewhere, you can bet your azz Jerry will be quite busy in the FA market, with many holes to fill, that can’t be just filled with rookies.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 19, 2009 9:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
It depends on the quality of the draft. If it is as good as last year, all those players can be replaced with rookies. You’re talking about 1 starter (Canty) and 4 reserves and Canty didn’t have a great year.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jan 20, 2009 7:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude?
How many times has a team ever been able to replace EVERY need with a rookie? It’s very rare. It’s not a bad idea to bring in a FA to fill some holes. The draft is not always this godly made fix all for everything.
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
by gee-roj on Jan 20, 2009 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LB is alot different
Were not finding a rookie 3-4 ILB to come in and start. The chances of that happening are ZERO….FA or Carpenter is the way they will go if Burnett and Zach are not here. You can take that to the bank……
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 21, 2009 12:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Too many chiefs
I think that the biggest problem with the team is a lack of depth, and a lack of consistent, quality role players. A guy like Crayton used to be a good role player, now he is a petulant knob. Bennett made the occasional sporadic contribution. Scandrick is a good nickel type corner.
Wiht all the personalities and egos already in place, I think we need more braves, fewer chiefs.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 19, 2009 6:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Did everybody forget Romo called Garrett out as well after the Eagles game?
I think T.O. was onto something.
by houseofprime on Jan 19, 2009 6:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
And that's why a lot of people don't view Romo as a leader on the team
That’s not the way it’s done by a guy who hasn’t won anything.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jan 19, 2009 7:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol, nope, nobody likes to aknowledge that around here Prime.
mums the word with these guys.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 19, 2009 8:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gutless...Is this how Garrett's going to lead?
I agree that Garrett’s quote was cyptic. It was also gutless. Either be a man and call T.O. out or just shut up. He wants to be the big cheese? Is this how he’s going to coach? By using the media to make points. Or is he using the media to further his ongoing power struggle with Jerry over the fate of T.O. He should just shut up. Please Tampa, hire him.
by Boundforbeach on Jan 19, 2009 6:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
When you're not the big cheese
you can’t call people out directly.
It’s called politics. It ain’t Hollywood.
by Rafael Vela on Jan 19, 2009 6:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Then maybe Wade should invoke the Parcells rule...
No assistants talking to the media. It’s just not helpful. Not with how the season ended. Not with the TO docu-drama. This team is becomming a three ring circus, with Ed Werder as the barker. It may not be Hollywood, but I do think a few Oscars could be awarded for best drama.
by Boundforbeach on Jan 19, 2009 7:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How much more clear do you need his comment to be?
So what if it’s cryptic, it’s very clear. He thinks TO has a lot of talent but not so much that he’s worth the trouble of having him around. That’s not gutless at all. Even a guy with TO’s limited IQ should be able to get that.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jan 19, 2009 7:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He was asked a question....
What did you expect him to say, “the dude it talented, but he’s a douchebag?”
Come on man. Be real.
He just answered a question.
by AirforceBat on Jan 19, 2009 7:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
He should have just shut up. Instead, he sounded like a pouting middle school girl who didn’t get invited to the one of the cool kids birthday party.
Further evidence of lack of leadership on the team, everyone is pushing their personal and political agenda instead of keeping it in house. Not very professional.
by kindablue on Jan 19, 2009 7:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Reporter asked him a good question..
It is a loaded question.. No matter how he is answer’s it he will be questioned..
He says TO is great, he is a liar. He takes the high road and admits TO is good player, he is being cryptic, if he says TO is a cancer he opens a huge can of worms..
JG couldn’t win..
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by Wmillion on Jan 19, 2009 7:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It was a no win situation
I think he answered the best way possible. If he elects to not say anything, it’s even worse IMO.
by WestTxHornFan on Jan 19, 2009 8:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And questioned asked of TO were loaded when asked if he feels like he's being utilized properly ??
It’s a two way street guy, and everyones bitch about TO is that he said piblicly that he wasn’t being used right, and the plays weren’t being called to utilize hies strengths…..Yet He’s the cancer for speaking the truth ?
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 19, 2009 8:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he should've said something like this.
“I appreciate the work ethic that Terrell puts forth every season, and he’s one of the best receivers in the game right now. And I believe that this team has the potential to do great things. If we stay healthy, work hard, and execute, the sky’s the limit.”
There’s something called “diplomacy” that every player and coach on this team needs to employ.
Yes, Parcells had a lot of faults, but I did appreciate his team policy of no coaches and players talking to the media.
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by silverblue5 on Jan 19, 2009 8:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He did praise TO during the off-season
Garrett said the effect of having a leader like TO give 110% out on the practice field trickles down through the team and makes all the guys give more effort. (I’m paraphrasing his exact quote)
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by APerfectStar on Jan 19, 2009 9:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here here
that is exactly the type of thing a coach should have said. Even if T.O. is let go, you still have other players that will be there that you have to deal with.
by jevans1729 on Jan 19, 2009 9:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ray-Ray would be a bad idea
Nice concept, bringing in a hall-of-famer and proven leader. However, he’s 33, would rather stay in Baltimore, adds a thug image Jerry seems to be making an attempt to cleanse. Additionally, this team doesn’t have cap room right now. Even without a first round pick, they’re going to need what little there is to spare to fill out the roster, and there are more pressing needs than an interior linebacker to play alongside Bradie.
I think we have our #2 ILB of the future in place with Kevin Burnett, a guy who will likely be turned into a star by some team with a gargantuan traffic cone manning their nose tackle position, something we unfortunately lack. If we can somehow find one of those, it could help fill multiple holes simultaneously.
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by Conjunction on Jan 19, 2009 7:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Will someone please
explain this “thug image”? Ray =Lewis has been a stand up citizen and league poster boy since his sophomore season.
by Impatient on Jan 19, 2009 8:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
I always found that funny how it seemed like ESPN conveniently forgot about all that.
by AirforceBat on Jan 19, 2009 9:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He witnessed a murder and didnt want to rat out his friend
Someone shook the sh!t out of him and he realized that his old life was not worth it, found religion and changed his ways. He made a promise to everyone that he would be a different person and then followed through with his promise.
He wasnt Rae Caruth
by Impatient on Jan 19, 2009 9:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
To be honest I like him, I thought he’s moved on with his life.
by joey7289 on Jan 19, 2009 9:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I like him too...
But I mean he was around a bad situation.
And it seems like its just totally done in peoples minds.
by AirforceBat on Jan 19, 2009 10:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Conjun, Burnett is a FA and don't think he's a lock to stay here. He's a 4-3 weakside LB
and will get paid handsomely if he goes elsewhere.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 19, 2009 8:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly my point
And before his value is clearly evident to other teams, the team should slap another few years onto that contract, give him a space-eater, and watch the magic unfold.
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-Stephen Colbert
by Conjunction on Jan 19, 2009 9:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol, FA don't just accept "a few years contract", they want to start, and get a huge signing bonus.
it’s not gonna happen here.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 19, 2009 10:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Burnett was more of an outside LB?
but I totally agree that so long as they run a 3-4 and have smaller nose tackles, the ILB will be exposed unless they are absolute superstars like Ray Lewis or Harry Carson.
by DavidH22 on Jan 19, 2009 7:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The only problem with Ray Lewis is his age
If the Cowboys do spend on outside FA’s, at least make sure they are young. No more over 30 guys on the downside of their career.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Jan 19, 2009 9:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
co-sign
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
by silverblue5 on Jan 19, 2009 9:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yet somehow the Pats have been very successful with this...
They have gotten lots of production out of 30+ signings; i.e. Harrison, Seau, Moss…
They are just smart enough to cople this with wise draft choices.
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
by gee-roj on Jan 20, 2009 10:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
id rather have suggs or bart scott than ray
ray lewis is an amazing player but hes only gonna be in the league for another year or 2, maybe 3 if he doesnt get injured
but with suggs or scott who are both good, we get alot more continuity
"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips
by MrMinority on Jan 19, 2009 8:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I highly doubt either one is leaving the Ravens
Main reason why Ray will be a free agent.
by joey7289 on Jan 19, 2009 9:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No way they keep Scott over Ray. Scott is a product of his environment.
by archon095 on Jan 19, 2009 9:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
I wouldn’t mind having any of them to be honest.
by joey7289 on Jan 19, 2009 9:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we need an ILB , but I dont want to pay that price for 1
I also want a young gun not another old dude, but Jerry love Hype , so it’s just the kind of stupid move he would do!
by bad knees on Jan 19, 2009 8:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
There are options here
Lewis, Scott and don’t forget James Farrior will be on the market.
The question is age. Farrior is 34. Lewis 33. Bart Scott is 28.
by Rafael Vela on Jan 19, 2009 8:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
suggs is OLB, right?
I wouldn’t mind Bart Scott if he is ILB.
Geez, wtf is up with the Ravens having so many superstar linebackers the past few years?Ray Lewis, Peter Boulware, Jamie Sharper, Adalius Thomas, Terrell Suggs, Bart Scott, etc. I guess maybe playing alongside Ray Lewis probably helps out, huh.
by DavidH22 on Jan 19, 2009 8:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
here's the Ravens current starting LB corps
OLB – Terrell Suggs
ILB – Ray Lewis
ILB – Bart Scott
OLB – Jarrett Johnson
Yes, they play a 3-4 defense.
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
by silverblue5 on Jan 19, 2009 8:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ozzie Newsome
The Ravens GM is great at feeding talent into the team through the draft.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Jan 19, 2009 9:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes to Scott....that is our man..geezz....not old and declining Ray Lewis
Thats all we need is another 30 something player on the decline…
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 19, 2009 10:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Scott will be 29 next season so its not like he’s overly young
by archon095 on Jan 19, 2009 10:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take a younger LB like Dansby over Scott
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 19, 2009 10:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dansby is not a 3-4 ILB....
Scott is….We can’t be tooling around with project LBs that don’t know the 3-4. Scott is a proven 3-4 ILB on a excellent defensive team. We need that type of experience. Dansby will be resigned anyway….
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 20, 2009 12:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so won't Scott....so what's your point ?
btw, Arizona plays a hybrid 4-3/3-4 D, and Dansby is simply a better LB than Scott..and would excel in a 3-4 D at ILB
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 20, 2009 12:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dansby is a bad azz
He’s exactly the type of player I would plug into Zach Thomas’ position.
I know he’s not going anywhere, but a rookie that has his attributes would be perfect.
Fast, great tackler, good instincts, and ability to shed blocks.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Jan 20, 2009 1:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Clint Sintim of Virginia is a Dansby clone, but will go between 15-40
He can pass rush, hit like an anvil, and is good in pass coverage as well.
http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/olb/Clint-Sintim.php
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 20, 2009 7:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wow a big one year younger....
Scott is 28
Dansby is 27
I’ll take Scott who is a expereince 3-4 ILB over Dansby who is not. Scott plays the same position as Zach so there wouldn’t be any transistion.
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 20, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The writing is on the wall
Barber, F jones, Choice, Witten, Bennett, TO, R. Williams, Austin, Crayton:
How do we get the ball the all of these guys? The only way is for everyone to be satisfied with their role. TO will never be satisfied receiving only 3 or 4 passes a game. Therefore, many of the other players won’t be used at all. JG knows this as does anyone else who has actually thought about it. TO’s outta here
by connery on Jan 19, 2009 8:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ray Lewis
there is NO ONE in the NFL i dislike more than Ray Lewis… i can’t stand that dance thing he does when he is intorduced.. i can’t stand all his talk about ‘god’ when they interview him etc…
if something like this really happens jerry will really be testing me…
by stephena on Jan 19, 2009 9:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Its a shame you hate him because if you really love the game he is a joy to watch.
Smart, fast, prepared, leader, big and violent. I love to watch him play. He is a mixture of old school and new. You want to know how to play MLB, watch Ray Lewis. Did I mention he is great at mentoring youg guys coming in. Its a shame he is 33. For all his talk about God, at least he isnt a hypocrit and he walks his talk.
by squidlo97 on Jan 20, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I love Lewis
At 33 no one hits the hole like him, I enough watched Zach shot the gap, and Ray hits it faster.
by joey7289 on Jan 20, 2009 11:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Ray and would like to bring him in here but
I wonder if he’ll be a different fit in our D than in Baltimore’s?? He won’t have a big huge NT in front of him here, unless we draft one, to cover him up. Will he have to take on OG’s more in our D?? Didn’t Ray have the same problem some years back when the Ravens were starting to play the 3-4 with this same situation?? 6 or 7 years ago?? Maybe I’m mistaken. Raf, can I get a ruling on this please???
by kameleon_o on Jan 20, 2009 8:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Ray hated the 3-4 with the ravens until they got a lot heavier on the line. Their 3-4 got so much better when the brought in Ngata.
by archon095 on Jan 21, 2009 1:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for that
That’s what I was remembering too.
by kameleon_o on Jan 21, 2009 5:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, getting rid of the best of that group solves the perceived problem ?
I’ve though about it all right, long and hard, and It’s the damn idiot OC that has the problem. btw, I am sure others have thought the same thing.
You can easily line up in a pro set with 2 WR’s (TO & Roy) 1 TE (Witten) and 2 RB (MBIII & Felix) and have plenty of options to distribute the ball.
No need to worry about distributing to depth players like Bennet, Choice, Crayton, and Austin. When they spell the starters, or are brought in for nickle O packages, they’ll get their opportunities.
Dallas averages 34 passing attempts per game last season. And like most teams in the league, passing games revolve around the WR’s being a focal part of such attack, and should be targeted more than any other position. TE’s will always get their numbers, as they are usually the check down option or security blanket, and not the primary target in passing offenses. RB’s will also accumulate a few check down or screen passes per game as well. That all being said, and the fact we should be more of a running team to begin with, I’ll use last years passing attempts to figure this all out.
34 passing attempts distributed per game:
Terrell Owens- 7 attempts per game
Roy Williams- 6 attempts per game
Jason Witten- 6 attempts per game
Felix Jones- 3 attempts per game
Marion Barber-1 attempts per game
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Patrick Crayton- 4 attempts per game
Miles Austin- 3 attempts per game
Marc Bennett-3 attempts per game
Tash Choice- 1 attempt per game
Now it may not always be the same, but following this chart, you can clearly see how easy it would to involve all the starters with equal opportunities, as well as throwing some bones towards the reserves. I would be less inclined to use all of those reserves, as often, but just showing that it can be done.
If Romo can connect on 65% of those throws, more so for TE’s, and WR’s were given proper routes to run, we’d have much more balanced distribution:
TO- 5 receptions per 7+ attempts = about 80 receptions, 1,250+ yards, and 10+ TD’s
Roy- 4 receptions per 6+ attempts= about 64 receptions, 1,000+ yards, and 6+ TD’s
Witten- 5 receptions per 6+ attempts=about 80 receptions, 1,000+ yards, and 6+ TD’s
Felix- 30+ recptions
MBII- 20+ receptions
Choice-15+ receptions
Bennett- 20+ receptions
Crayton- 30+ receptions
Austin- 20+ receptions
There you have it.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 19, 2009 9:35 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
that is some great info
In reference to how good the Steelers have been in their history: "No one is even close to them."- Steal Home
by hinduplaya on Jan 19, 2009 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats a good distribution
but youre oversimplifying everything
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 19, 2009 10:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
over simplifying ?? I don't think so one bit.
I am not saying Garrett and Romo need to abide by some chart, but to think we can’t properly distribute the ball, all while getting everyone involved is nonsense. I was even being conservative as to thee amount our starters should really get.
I would even take away some of those reserve numbers I listed and distribute even more to our starting WR’s. We are a one back offense, same as Arizona, yet with an inferior O Line and RB’s and TE’s, they were able to distribute over 240 receptions among 3 WR’s.
TO=80 Witten=80 Williams=80 is not too difficult to achieve, and just going by Dallas team completions from this past season of 328, we’d still have 88 completions to distribute to our RB’s and back up receivers.
There is no reason to think we can’t get that distribution with the weapons we have here.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 19, 2009 10:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I appreciate your numbers....
but I think that’s overly optimistic.
That could happen, as Cowboys fans we should hope that there doesn’t have to be that many pass attempts this season.
There were way too many games this season which Dallas had to pass because there were too many close games.
It would be nice to get rid of a few pass attempts by the fourth quarter and see our talented trio of runningbacks tote the rock.
by AirforceBat on Jan 20, 2009 12:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Overall, It's not alot of passing attempts per game, 26 of 32 teams averaged about 30 attempts or more per game.
There were 7 teams that averaged more passing attempts than Dallas, and of those, only 3 had comparable or argueably better passing targets than Dallas (Arizona, Denver, Indy)
Our team averaged 61 total offensive plays per game. With proper balance, and pace or clock management, or dare I say play selection, that number should be closer to 70 plays per game.
61 offensive plays per game=
34 passing plays per game
27 rushing plays per game
Of course I’d like to see us rush the ball more myself, 30-35 rushing attempts per game would be a good benchmark.
32+ rushing plays
34+ passing plays That’s not too far fetched to imagine.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 20, 2009 12:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nicely done
I’m with you, more runs and less slow developing pass plays. I’d love to see them work on the screen plays and roll outs for Romo.( I think all that studying Tom Brady’s movement in the pocket screwed with Romo’s natural ability. A seemingly good idea on Romo’s part, but this off-season he needs to study himself on film from 2007 )
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Jan 20, 2009 2:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly Tom, roll outs, motion plays, screen plays, drag routes, crossing routes, bunch formations....
If our O Line is going to be letting oncoming rushers in like matadors, you’d think we can be successful with more screen plays. I’m so tired of watching our receivers running deep, timely routes 20+ yards down the field, when we should be connecting on 7-12 yard routes and letting the playmakers do their thing with YAC being the focus point, as we have big, physical wideouts going against smaller DB’s…oh wait, my bad, That’s a West Coast Offense, we can’t run that for some reason, we don’t have the personel….hog wash !! Hey Chucky ? Shanny, Walruss ? ?…where you at ? The three best WCO guys in the league are available….hmmm…interesting.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 20, 2009 6:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There was alot of talk last offseason of Romo learning to throw from different angles
All I could think of was him changing his throwing motion. I dont know alot about Baseball but every time I hear about changng a pitchers throwing motion, it seems a prerequeset of accuracy death. Romos accuracy was off this year.
by squidlo97 on Jan 20, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It might be like Shaq and free throws.
He started listening to all his coaches on how he could “improve” his free throw shooting and consistently struggled. Now he gone back to shooting like he did as a kid and hes got one of the better percentages in hte league.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 20, 2009 5:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Going into a game with an agenda of ball distribution. That killed us this year.
I would rather have a way of attacking the different levels of the field. I would rather tell everyone if you want the ball more then get open more.
JG is catching hell and rightfully so but the problem is chemistry or rather lack of it.
by squidlo97 on Jan 20, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no..no...no...wrong guy
we want Bart Scott…..not Ray Lewis…..OMG what a bad signing that would be…
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 19, 2009 10:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Scott may be the right guy. I wish I could see him play without being beside Ray and behind Ngata.
Many of guys have looked great and disappeared when they lost their wing men. Doesnt matter, the reason Rays name comes up is because he is the only one that will be available.
by squidlo97 on Jan 20, 2009 11:18 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ray Lewis as a Cowboy
interesting….
Cowboys fan since 1978.. I was 3 years old
by Mullin on Jan 20, 2009 12:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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