What could we get for MB3?
by CowboysFan4Life on Jan 2, 2009 9:32 AM CST
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Printcould we get a first? if we can, than i say go for it...
dont get me wrong, i love marion barber... love him... loved him as a backup, loved him as a starter... didn't love him so much after he got injured and played out of his manor... but still, no hard feelings for the injury...
but with Felix Jones showing he is a playmaker...and t choice showing he can carry the load (and then some), why not let barber go and pick our first rd pick back up? now i don't know what we could get for him, and im not pretending to know, but if we could get a first (and i think we could???? my opinion) why not?
we have youth at the position, and skill no doubt... i can live with thunder and lighting in stead of thunder lighting and earthquake or whatever...we don't need a natural disastor in the backfield... we need quality playmakers who earn big chunks of yards (felix jones check, t choice 10+ yard runs check)
we can use that first round pick to go get a quality lineman, quality safety possibly, maybe if a starting quality corner falls to us than why not, how about a quality d end or nose tackle??? shoot depending on where we are in the draft, we could trade down and pick up another second or third withour pick, and still draft a quality player towards the end of the first....
what im saying is we need to be smart, instead of being glutonous (sp?) at one position, why not trade away our known commodity and pick up solid players in the draft (with what we did last year in the draft, I want all the picks we can get!)
(one thing i just thought of, how hard would he be to trade with his recent contract??)
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He's freaking awesome when given the right amount of carries
There’s no way I would want him traded…
by AikmanNailedMySis on Jan 2, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
plus you don't know if Felix was showing flashes of greatness or is actually great...
Don’t get me wrong I PRAY he’s the man, but sophomore slumps can be a son of a b*tch
by AikmanNailedMySis on Jan 2, 2009 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
I can assure you Felix Jones is no fluke...He hasn't even come close to untapping his potential...
And I pray that one day he is paired with an OC that knows how to properly utilize his talents…If he doesn’t have his hands on the ball 15+ times a game, there is serious problems with the play calling……8 yards per carry career average is no fluke…not with 100’s of carries under your belt………His KO return was no fluke either, ….not with several other TD returns under his belt, and a lifetime 30 yards per average….believe that..
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Felix is the real deal.
As we look to improve the line, we will see even more explosive plays out of Felix.
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+1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 2, 2009 10:11 PM CST up reply actions
I know I know I know...
I’m just trying to be objective with his small yet favorable body of work at the professional level. If I ever prayed, it would be for all my rookies to keep playing with the fire and intensity and sheer desire that comes with being a professional ball player. It’s funny, they play like they’re privileged to be here, unlike most of our team…
by AikmanNailedMySis on Jan 2, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
exactly Aikman......you got something there.....
I ask you….Would Emmitt Smith have played, knowing his playoff hopes depended on him to come through, if he had a dislocated small pinky toe injury ???.
nuff said…..You cut the dreds, remove the bravado, the shake in back in the backfield, the high steppin while going out of bounds, you have little or no difference between 3.8 ypc MBIII and that rookie late rounder Hightower in Arizona…..
Look….I love MBIII, and I wish we could assemble as many entertaining styles as possible….but this is the NFL, and you don’t win with style points, and you tube videos.
I haven’t seen a guy with such great character and attitude come to Dallas in a long time, like what i’ve seen in Tashard Choice, and you can throw in Felix Jones as well…..Choice, who should be starting next september, and coming out on the field for the coin toss as a captain of this team….Let’s see…Choice’s contract paid him what ?..about or less than 2 million over 4 yrs…..Hmm…Did he play with more enthusiasm, determination, and devotion than recently signed to mega million guys like : Romo, Barber, Newman, Hamlin, Flo, Davis, Crayton, RWi, RWII, etc……You bet your azz he did…………I’d take a roster full of Choice’s if i had the opportunity…
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yeah..
but look what choice did against the top notch defenses of the nfl? if we have him back and felix, why keep around mb3 instead of getting rid of him before other teams don’t want him bc of the treads on his tires?
by CowboysFan4Life on Jan 2, 2009 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
no way jerrs trading him?
or no way other teams will match his contract? doesnt the other team just pick up his contract?
by CowboysFan4Life on Jan 2, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
trading RBs is dumb
Like CBs you can never have enough of them. They get injured more than any other position so you want as many good ones on the roster as you can get.
Without 3 good RBs on our roster this year, our season would have been officially over after Thanksgiving.
In Romo we Trust
i wouldn't call it dumb...
rb is th eeasiest position to draft for… so why not pick up a guy in the fourth and hope he hits, and if he doesn’t well then we still have two quality players… why have a three guys where one guy is lucky to get 2-4 touches a game i bet…
i doubt our injuries will impact our season next year like it did this year, but no one really knows…
by CowboysFan4Life on Jan 2, 2009 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
so we draft a rb later rounds, and pick up a first???? we heave positions of need that need to be filled with starters (or players that need to push our starters)… great time to have a first rd pick
if anyone has found the fountain of youth, please give some to darren woodson… i wish he would play back with hamlin and tnew and jenkins/pac/orlando … that would be beautiful
by CowboysFan4Life on Jan 2, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
key word is hope
MB3, Jones and Choice are all proven and as i said above, we needed 3 good backs this season, never know when the injury bug will hit.
In Romo we Trust
We don't need to upgrade RB
We have plenty of other positions we need to upgrade. Trading Barber creates dead money against the cap, no point. We need his ablity to gain the tough yard, score rushing TD’s around the goal line, and close games.. He is an assest, not a AP type, but valuable.
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Whoa!
MB3 for a 4th rounder, no way in hell I would want to see that happen. That would be horrible and I suspect a fan revolt would occur soon after.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
Thats the most important part of this discussion
Our RB depth should be one of our biggest strengths next year, so why would we trade it away?
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 2, 2009 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
A first rounder for Barber would be tempting
But I don’t think anyone would give that up for Barber or really any running back besides Adrian Peterson. Then there’s also the money thing.
As many bloggers on this site have noted, it’s not necessary at all to use a high draft pick to get a solid RB. Look at Barber and Choice (both 4th rounders). Taking Felix Jones in the 1st round was a luxury, maybe an unnecessary one at that in retrospect. We’ll have to wait and see if he pays off.
So hypothetically speaking, it probably wouldn’t be too difficult for the Cowboys to pick up another RB in the later rounds of the 2009 draft if they traded Barber, to maintain their stable of three good RBs.
But then again, why trade the player who definitely gives his all on the field, and who is quiet and unassuming off it? I like that combination.
I will echo the thoughts of others on this site who’d like to see the Cowboys run much more in 2009. It suits the O-line better and they have three unique RBs to do it. Plus it should help the passing game and the defense.
One last thing – was it just me or did the Cowboys not call any screen plays to the RBs the last two games? This would be very disappointing to me considering how effective the screen passes were against the Giants. If anyone can recollect let me know. Thanks.
The Cowboys haven't called or successfully executed a screen play since 1983....I sure miss those days..
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I was on board post '08 draft, and still am on board with trading MBIII this year for a #1 pick.
Don’t kid yourselves thinking teams wouldn’t be willing to give us a 1st rounder for MBIII, or that his contract makes him untradable at this point….The team receiving MBIII would only be on the hook for his base salary, not his bonus money. They would know exactly what they are getting in MBIII, a mauling, power rusher, with a great stiff arm, tough take down, that’s one of the best after contact……..NE would trade for him, Denver would trade for him, NYJ would trade for him, Philly would trade for him, Seattle would trade for him, KC would trade for him, Tampa would trade for him, Tennessee would trade for him, Pittsburgh would trade for him, the list goes on and on…….For those who thinks we are nuts to think of trading him, don’t let logic overcome the envy….unfotunately Jerry Jones can be the same way….he is enormed and swayed to hold onto players he finds exciting to watch, even when it would be more beneficial to move them for value…We don’t NEED MBIII, We have Felix Jones and Tashard Choice, who in my opinion are both better RB’s than MBIII…..It’s very easy to find a 3rd string RB, via draft or low cost free agency….So don’t think for a minute MBIII is not expendable….and IF I was offered a first round pick for MBIII right now, HE would be gone……..Your tube highlights aside, there is no more loyalty in football….You make the moves that make you better…..We are in a system, RB by commitee, and the value of having a starting, franchise, carry the load style RB is over rated, and old news……If anyone on this blog site can name me 3 sure fire first round RB prospects in this upcoming draft, please step forward and explain to me how any of them are better than MBIII…..1st round value, you bet your ass he has it…..especially this year……I would not miss him a bit…I’ve seen enough of Jones and Choice to be very comfortable going into next season without him…..and that’s my opinion on this matter….
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I don't wanna trade him
But I agree that those teams (except Tennessee) would trade for him. They know what they’re getting…and that truly is a barbarian. When he’s healthy, of course.
by AikmanNailedMySis on Jan 2, 2009 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
he is valuable
He isn’t the reason we didn’t suceed this year, we lost in the trenches. Didn’t protect Romo and inconsistent on the D line..
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Jeff Fisher LOVES MBIII, and he's a major upgrade over Lendall White..
not saying it would happen….but there is no way to exclude them.
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as a Eagles fan, i would love to see MBIII go, but don’t you already have capable backups in Chocie and Jones. If anything, move Choice since you will get something high after Chocie proved himself to be a capable back. But, right now, your running attack when healthy is a three headed monster.
Who wants to play Leapfrog with Trent?
I think It's very conceivable that Choice is worth a second round pick right now
He’s very cheap, locked up for another three years, and proved to be productive against some tough competition.
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with
your low amount of picks for this draft, you guys might be better off trading him for a pick
Who wants to play Leapfrog with Trent?
Low amount of picks?
we have 8 and the only round we dont pick in is the 1st.
And we will get compensatory picks for Julius Jones, and Jacques Reeves.
Cris Carter....you're dead to me.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 2, 2009 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
exactly
plenty of talent this draft, just because we don’t have a 1st doesn’t mean anything.. I wouldn’t be suprised if we sneak back in to the last 1st if we really need someone. If we don’t I am fine with that. I think we can really build this year via the draft. There may be a Kenny Phillips type that falls we can scope up.. We have enough picks to get there.
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ah...
my b. i am not aware of how many picks yall have. I was simply under the impression that you guys delt loads of pick to Detriot for Roy. didn’t you guys? Foxsports can be misguiding sometimes
Who wants to play Leapfrog with Trent?
We traded a 1st, 3rd, and 5th
But got back a 6th from Det. We also had Cleveland’s 3rd, and a couple of other picks traded in last year’s draft (can’t remember whose or where they’re at.) We’ve got quite a few picks, just not in the 1st.
"So you can’t stiff arm at all? What about the throat?"- Marion "Barbarian" Barber
actually it was a 1st 3rd and a 6th and got back Williams and a 7th rounder in 2010
we still have a 2, 3, two 4’s, two 5’s, a 6, a 7, plus two compensatory picks(JJ and Reeves) in the upcoming draft
Imagine if Choice had the bulk of the carries
against competition like Cleveland, Green Bay, Cincy, St. Louis, etc, instead of against Pittsburgh, Giants, Baltimore and Philadelphia.
we have 9 picks
http://www.prosportstransactions.com/football/DraftTrades/2009.htm
First round: 0
Second round: 1
Third round: 1 (Acquired from Cleveland in April)
Fourth round: 2 (One pick acquired from Detroit in April)
Fifth round: 2 (One pick acquired from Tennessee in Adam Jones trade)
Sixth round: 1 (Acquired in Jason Ferguson trade to Miami)
Seventh round: 2 (One pick acquired from Detroit as part of Roy Williams deal)
First round: 0
Second round: 1
Third round: 1 (Acquired from Cleveland in April)
Fourth round: 2 (One pick acquired from Detroit in April)
Fifth round: 2 (One pick acquired from Tennessee in Adam Jones trade)
Sixth round: 1 (Acquired in Jason Ferguson trade to Miami)
Seventh round: 2 (One pick acquired from Detroit as part of Roy Williams deal)
I believ It's actually 8 picks
the detroit seventh round pick we get for the Roy Williams trade is in 2010, not this year..
i would much rather give up barber than choice...
choice is younger and has been productive against stiff competition… oh and hes younger… why risk marion barber wearing down ina year or so if we can get a first round pick for him now…
if i sound like i dislike barber, i don’t… im glad we drafted him and i’m glad he had a lot of success with us… he is a good/great back… but we need a first round or multiple low round (1,2,3) picks more than we need three productive backs
by CowboysFan4Life on Jan 2, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
If you trade MBIII
you could probably rack a first rounder from a desperate team in need for a HB (Arizona for example). But when this guy is healthy, wouldnt you say he is better then Choice?
Who wants to play Leapfrog with Trent?
yes he is better than choice...
but, in my opinion, more draft picks are worth more than what we lose by letting barber go… in stead of mb3, say we get a first round pick… maybe if it were the cardinals, around like 22 or something probably? wherever they are, id rather have that first round pick and lose barber (cause we have two more capable, 1 very dangerous backs) than not have that pick and have all 3 backs still
by CowboysFan4Life on Jan 2, 2009 5:12 PM CST up reply actions
Not so fast
Yes, Choice has a limited body of work, but whatever advantage Barber has in accomplishments and experience is somewhat negated by Choice’s youth, comparative skills and cheapness.
+1
thats exactly what i was thinking. I would take MBIII in a heartbeat. Choice is a solid back, but MBIII has the skill and experience that Chocie still has to gain. i didnt want it taken the wrong way (being i am a eagles fan) so i kept my mouth shut ;)
Who wants to play Leapfrog with Trent?
RB depth is valuable..
You see how much your team hinges on the health of Westbrook, I know he is special player, but there is a huge drop off. Especially with Buckhalter’s injury history.
RB and CB is a postion we shouldn’t touch unless we acquire more depth..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
wouldn’t three amazing hbs be called depth. your situation is dallas was a freak situation. like one in a thousand. It would be safe to keep all three, but i really doubt that dallas will land in that situation again for some time.
Who wants to play Leapfrog with Trent?
True
We should be good at RB for the next 5-7 years. We have other positions to upgrade. Whatever happened to Tony Hunt?
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ummm.....WHAT ??......you answered your response in your response...
Choice-
He’s very cheap, locked up for another 3 years, and proved to be productive against some tough competition.
THAT’s exactly why MBIII now becomes expendable, cuz Choice has proved himself to be every bit as good, if not better than MBIII…….Let’s see….a 21 year old back, with no wear and tear, making about 300,000, OR 25 year old, who takes brutal shots, and makes about 7,000,000 (too damn much money)…..hmmm…If I’m a GM, who would I rather keep ?
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you keep the depth
You keep the TD’s, the ablility to gain hard yards, the ability to close out games..What is the cap hit if you trade barber?
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I'm not sure exactly how to read this cap database....but here's the link
http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?lname=barber&player=3653
It sure looks like Barber was given his whole bonus this year as his full salary was 12.5 million this past season….but his cap hit was only 2.5 million………not sure how to it works….but it appears 1/6th of his bonus was distributed to this year, and would have a 10 million cap hit if traded right now………..oh well…so much for that….after next season, with no cap…..then he goes…maybe
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Stop it.
Cris Carter....you're dead to me.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 2, 2009 4:17 PM CST reply actions
Okay, I guess I'll jump in this fight.
If Barber is Gone.
3rd and 1, the whole building knows it’s comin.
Who’s your man?
Cris Carter....you're dead to me.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 3, 2009 7:43 AM CST reply actions
stretch play with felix
up the middle with choice
witten flare
romo naked bootleg keep
What the French?! Toast!
stretch play is risky
and if you cant get a hard yard behind Biggs, you’re playing passive football.
Cris Carter....you're dead to me.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 3, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
Choice off tackle
As I’ve posted a few times, Choice was rarely caught behind the line of scrimmage this year. While Barber may have the reputation of being a more punishing runner or one that is harder to bring down, Choice is just 5 lbs lighter, so in theory he should just as able to get that one yard.
Of course, both of those backs, and even maybe the great Jim Brown, would find it difficult to run for daylight behind this inconsistent line.
+1 ...I bet MBIII has more negative yardage runs than Choice...
This is a TERRIBLE DRAFT for RB’s……..Of course it’s not going to happen, but this would be the ideal time to trade MBIII…….shame Jerry didn’t just ride out this tender year, and see what he had with the rookies moving forward, before he signed MBIII to that outrageous contract………..oh well…
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True.
But is we hadnt re-signed Barber, we probably would have taken Mendenhall instead of Felix. At least that would have been the safe thing to do without being sure Barber would be back in ’09.
Cris Carter....you're dead to me.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 3, 2009 10:51 PM CST up reply actions
Never ever give a RB a big deal
because they are easily replaced and their production can decline precipitously at any given moment.
Especially not to a RB who hasn’t even gained 1000 yards yet, who has never has been a starter.
I think Jerry just learned that lesson.
MBIII 2007 <<<< Emmitt 1992
Barber had 1104 yards last year
So your 1000 yard argument holds no weight, and the fact Barber had never been a starter meant his body should have been fresher than other backs who have had to carry 300+ timed per year.
Its easy to be a hindsight gm
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 4, 2009 1:50 AM CST up reply actions
wrong
barber had 975 yards last year
by CowboysFan4Life on Jan 5, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
wrong
Include the playoffs and Barber rushed for 1104 yards
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 6, 2009 7:44 AM CST up reply actions
and wrong again...
if you know marion barber, than you know he looks for contact… or at least, he did last year… so really, even though he was the “closer” he still took more contact than a lot of starters…
i don’t care that jerry resigned him, i just don’t know if i would have went long term with it
by CowboysFan4Life on Jan 5, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
And wrong again
Backs like Portis or Westbrook absorbed way more punishment than MB3, just because they dont “look for contact” doesnt mean it doesn’t look for them.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 6, 2009 7:46 AM CST up reply actions
portis yes...
westbrook doesn’t take punishment, he runs out of bounds or falls down as to not take the direct hit… the complete opposite of mb3, who looks to deliver the hit
by CowboysFan4Life on Jan 6, 2009 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
Marion
Is important piece of trio. NO reason to make a change there.
Marion, Felix, and Choice will be the deal next year. Barber does great things in this offense, let’s not over think it.
We need to more focused at options at D-line, ILB, and Safety.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
i just feel
that if we could get a first or multiple 2nd’s and thirds etc…. it would be better to draft young players to fill positions of need (we have plenty)… RB is not a position of need and wouldn’t be even if we traded mb3… even then, we could take one in the 4th or 5th and still have all the other draft choices we picked up by dealing mb3 (a 4th round pick??)
by CowboysFan4Life on Jan 6, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
+1 Cowboy...makes sense to me....
but i do realize lots of these guys have MBII jerseys, and he’s fun to watch, and all would hate to see him go….he’s more of an overpriced luxury at this stage….and we can useupgrades in so many areas…….we would be perfectly alright with Choice and Jones for the next 5+ years……..
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Totally disagree with that......we already had Felix and Choice at the time Barber was signed....there was no need to extend his contract...
We could have went into this past season with Barber playing his ass off for a big payday at the end of his tendered contract…..At the same time, we could have been evaluating the two rookies to see what we had, and to see if Barber was worthy of top 5 RB 7+ million per money…in which he clearly isn’t, and we found out that the two rookies are keepers and every bit as good or better than Barber…..One of many mistakes Jerry made this past offseason…IMO..
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MBIII Ain't Commanding a One
Doubt you see a team like the Cardinals fork over a one for MBIII; even then, it is a very low in the round pick. Last year’s draft featured a dozen or more runners that flashed very good talent, and Choice is just one of many. But, I would not trade MBIII; we need his toughness; the current Cowboys are soft and, MBIII is a great out of the backfield receiver. Fix what is broken; leave what is right alone. If anything, we need to replace Deon Anderson with someone bigger, and maybe who can be our Brandon Jacobs.
The current Cowboys are soft, and trading the team's toughest player would make them softer
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choice could easily fill his shoes and be more of an leader.
plus the teams toughest player by far is witten…. what need on this team is a leader to get in guys faces i dont see barber doing that
What the French?! Toast!
Here you guys go with "getting in guys faces"
That doesnt work, that’s the kind of thing that divides a locker room, trust me. Leaders have just got to lead by example. The in your face guy, usually finds himself sitting alone in the locker room, and few respond to him.
Cris Carter....you're dead to me.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 4, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
not like all the time
or just because hes mad.. but someone to be fired up and let them kn ow they did something wrong. idk im still baffled during warmups and the beginning of the eagles game no one was fired up or excited for the game.
What the French?! Toast!
I would like to know
Who does the pre-game speech before we take the field? AP does it for Minnesota.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
Choice should be doing it...
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