Why Ray Ray won't work.
I am no different than many of you. Every once in a while I allow myself to lapse into a daydream about opening day at the new Texas Stadium. I imagine pre-game introductions, as the PA announcer works his way through the names of the defensive starters. As the fireworks explode, the anticipation borders insanity as the words echo through the stadium “At Inside Linebacker….from the University of Miami…..” At about that time the crowd bursts into an orgasmic chorus of cheers as Ray Lewis comes out of the tunnel doing his patented dance, and calling for cheers in his own Hulk Hogan-like fashion. Sounds great doesn’t it? Unfortunately, as our beloved Dallas Cowboys continue to remind us, all that glitters ain’t necessarily gold.
Ray Lewis in a Cowboy uniform will more than likely not work. Ray Lewis and Terrell Owens both in Cowboy uniforms can not and most certainly will not work. My reasons for believing this can be broken down into three core issues.
THE CAP FACTOR- Though Ray Lewis is physically coming down the home stretch in his pro football career, his well earned reputation will garner a hefty price tag. First and foremost, Jerry Jones should not be allowed to say the words free agent until he has DeMarcus Ware securely chained to a radiator somewhere fifty feet below the surface of Valley Ranch. The Cowboys just handed out big deals to Terrell Owens, Marion Barber, Ken Hamlin, Flozell Adams, Roy E. Williams and Terence Newman. Marc Columbo just inked a decent deal himself, and DeMarcus Ware is about to get one of those big old, life sized Publisher’s Clearing House checks. Tony Romo is getting paid a ton, and the Cowboys already have a lot of players set to go into free agency that they will have to make some tough decisions about. Let us also remember that we will have to find cap space for as many as 11 draft picks. Okay so maybe the ‘Boys don’t use all eleven picks, but knowing Jerry Jones, they might be kicking out two first round salaries by the end of draft day. I’m sorry but $25-30 million is just too much to fork over for a 34 year old guy. Even Ray Ray.
THE RESPECT FACTOR- To compare Ray Lewis to Zach Thomas is a bit unfair to Ray; but for the lack of better example let’s revisit the Zach Thomas signing. Was it not the purpose of bringing in an aging Zach Thomas to inject some leadership into a young and somewhat inexperienced team? The defense played good for a stretch there, but all in all, the unit was inconsistent and still tanked when it mattered most.
You can not just rent a leader; not with this team. Especially when it is obvious that the guy you are bringing in, is clearly brought in to lead a bunch of guys he has never sweated or bled with. This is the Dallas Cowboys we are talking about here. These guys ate Bill Parcells alive. Zach Thomas was a snack and they will devour Ray too. This locker room seems at times resentful to leadership, and will treat Ray Lewis no different. The whole “New sheriff in town” concept will not work here.
Apply this to your own everyday life. When your company hires some new manager to come in and “clean up the operation,” how is that guy received? What is said about him when he is beyond earshot? Have you ever been to a local concert, and the lead singer from a band you’ve never heard of tries to start a mosh pit? Everyone just stands around and wonders “who the hell does this guy think he is.“ Ray can get that mosh pit going in Baltimore because he is the Ravens. He is the heart soul and face of that franchise. To everyone on the Ravens, Ray Lewis has been there for their entire career. He is a part of the fabric of the organization, as much a constant as the colors on the jerseys. In Dallas, Ray would be a hired hand, who’s best days are in the rear view mirror. He would likely be resented by some, and laughed at by others eventually when the magic begins to wear off. It’s hard to buy into all the hooting and hollering when the guy with the biggest mouth starts getting pancaked by fullbacks on a consistent basis.
Leaders have to be grown organically within an organization as opposed to being hired. If DeMarcus Ware emerged as a leader, that would be fantastic. Ware has earned the respect of his teammates over time, and been there all along to endure the struggles with them. That is the same way that Ray Lewis grew into his role. Besides, after Ray’s post game comments after defeating the Cowboys, you wonder how much he would respect them.
THE T.O. FACTOR- Assuming that T.O. is suiting up with a star on his helmet next season, (which is beginning to look less and less likely everyday) to bring Ray Lewis into this locker room would be to throw a can of gas into this already out of control bonfire. Let’s be clear here. Terrell Owens and Ray Lewis do not like each other. Do we all remember when T.O. was set to become a free agent following the 2003 season? We all saw Ray Lewis at the Pro Bowl, begging T.O. to come to Baltimore. We all saw T.O.’s agent screw up his paperwork, delaying his free agent status another year. Owens got traded to Baltimore, and within days the trade was appealed and overturned. Owens then went on to basically say that the Ravens weren’t good enough for him, and headed to Philly. He then returned to Baltimore as an Eagle, scored the game winning touchdown, did the Ray Ray dance in Ray Ray’s house, then proceeded to bring up Ray Ray’s legal business in his post game presser. It was five years ago, but I bet they haven’t exchanged any Christmas cards.
Before you waste your keystrokes, please allow me to dispel the notion that T.O. will be physically intimidated by Ray Lewis. When has T.O. ever backed down from anyone? He clearly wasn’t afraid of anyone in that San Francisco locker room, and he certainly didn’t back down from Paul Bunyan himself, Mr. Jason Witten. If my memory serves me correctly, I recall a Philadelphia “locker room leader” trying to physically intimidate Owens. I also remember Philly players saying that they had to peel T.O. off of a much larger Hugh Douglas seconds later.
Terrell Owens will see Ray Lewis as a challenge, as something that he must conquer to prove a point. If Ray Lewis tries to use intimidation to reign in Terrell Owens, there will be a fist fight, end of story. Players will once again take sides, and before you know it, there is a locker room division……again.
It sounds great to have a Hall of Fame, all-time great like Ray Lewis on this team. But why can’t the Cowboys find their own Ray Lewis. I would prefer to just see this team continue to draft the way that they did last year. Keep drafting good players, keep the team young, and leaders will emerge.
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Nice post
I agree that you cant just bay leadership. Ray coming in here and demanding accountability would not go over well. On hte DMN blog I read a post saying that when D Ware gets signed he will probably become a vocal leader. Im not sure if it will work that way, but I beleive that would be whats best for the team
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
Ray-Ray would KILL Owens -- literally!
Then, da King wouldn’t have to worry about cutting him.
And BSPN would run out of their effective yellow journalism features on TO.
Which would cause our Beloved Boyz to go from bad press to no press.
And it would all be #52’s fault.
What would that do for marketing?
These are the thoughts of one Jerry Jones.
And that’s the real, untold reason why he won’t sign Ray Lewis.
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I know, I know
Jason Witten is Paul Bunyan, and Ray Lewis is John Henry.
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 22, 2009 11:41 PM CST up reply actions
Who is Paul Bunyan?
And why do you keep saying he is Witten?
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 23, 2009 12:06 AM CST up reply actions
ah I see
thanks
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 23, 2009 7:34 AM CST up reply actions
I dont want to play the "my dad can beat up your dad game"
but why does everyone on this blog always think the bigger guy is the tougher guy?
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 23, 2009 7:32 AM CST up reply actions
Hey if im backing anybody on this team in a fight...
Its Matt McBriar
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 23, 2009 7:34 AM CST up reply actions
Who knows
maybe he can whoop everybody on the team.
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 23, 2009 7:39 PM CST up reply actions
we don't but its pretty obvious Witten is the toughest guy on the team
maybe even the toughest guy in the league. You tell me another player who would play through the injuries he’s sustained..playing with a broken jaw, you think there are a lot of players who would do that? No way
In Romo we Trust
Anquan Boldin has been playing with 7 titanium plates in his FACE
there are plenty of tough guys man.
Hines Ward tapes up his battered parts and drags himself to the field every week. As does Terrell Suggs. Since this is a Ray Lewis post, lets remember Ray playing nearly an entire season with a torn bicep.
Plenty of tough guys man, but yes Jason Witten is one of them.
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 23, 2009 7:38 PM CST up reply actions
+1 There are plenty of tough guys
Almost every player in the league plays through injury, Witten isnt alone
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 23, 2009 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
How many
keep running without their headgear on?
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
That wasnt really that tough.
He had no-onne in front of him so he wasnt going to take a huge shot, and he had a choice between running foward or laying down. I think most players would have made the same decision
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 26, 2009 8:05 PM CST up reply actions
I hear u..
Romo gets so much flack for going to Cabo, but Jason Witten was also in Cabo..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
yeah, funny how Jason was never criticized
as if Tony’s preparation was somehow different than his. Laughable actually.
In Romo we Trust
AND BOBBY CARPENTER!!!
Nobody talks about him either! Oh yea…because he blows!
by AikmanNailedMySis on Jan 23, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
Then, who is Babe the Blue Ox? Columbo?
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 23, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
But wait!
Jerry could have the T.O. vs. Ray Ray cage match as the first event in his new stadium.
Think of the pay per view take!
And if Ray dropped T.O. in Kimbo Slice time, there would be cries of “fake!” “Fix!”
Are you kidding! Jerry would LOVE this.
by Rafael Vela on Jan 22, 2009 11:57 PM CST up reply actions
Great post
Your writing is some of the best I have seen, and I’m an Ivy leaguer (but, of course, a Texan first).
On to the point: I agree, the current roster of Cowboys would chew up Ray Lewis like a $0.99 pack of Bazooka. But—what do you think about my earlier suggestion in a fanpost—hire one of our greatest home-grown leaders in Michael Irvin, and give him responsibility for keeping things in line and people motivated.
yeah, because this current roster of Cowboys is so tough...
…sorry, but we’re not even close to being as tough as the Ravens, Steelers, Eagles, or Giants players.
no offense, but the thought of our Boyz chewing up a player like Ray Lewis is laughable.
let’s see… our outspoken player representatives have been the likes of
TO
Crayton
T-New
RW2
yeah, i can totally see that fiercesome foursome chewing up the hard-hitting rock of a Ray-Ray like a $0.99 pack of Bazooka.
get real.
oooh yeah. those guys would really cause
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by silverblue5 on Jan 23, 2009 12:10 AM CST up reply actions
bigger guys to sh_t in their pants. lol.
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by silverblue5 on Jan 23, 2009 12:14 AM CST up reply actions
I think what he meant by "chew him up"
is that they would reject and eventually mock his leadership. Not make him tap from a triangle choke.
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 23, 2009 4:41 AM CST up reply actions
They'd chew him up mentally
I don’t necessarily mean that Crayton can physically stand up to Ray Lewis. I mean that the destructive dynamics in the current locker room are capable of demoralizing anyone. Once demoralized, a leader like Lewis loses his bark.
Want an example? Look at Romo. Even during the first three games, what was the complaint? He’s too serious now. He isn’t having fun.
Something caused that and I don’t think it was training to be like Brady. I think the team was already fragmenting and it was getting to him. No evidence, but something sucked the fun out of that guy. And something brought out (to a minor extent) the team-wrecking capability of T.O.
It is in that sense that I mean that an imported leader will not succeed at breaking this locker room.
+1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 23, 2009 12:23 AM CST up reply actions
Yep
Right on. I’m curious just how many players are around that should be gone. It’s a lot more deep rooted than folks think, too. They ran Bill Parcells outta’ town. The same Bill Parcells that had dealt with the likes of LT, Keyshaun, etc. The dude knew how to handle troubled players, and even he had to abandon ship.
Pacman wasn’t around at the time. Neither was Tank Johnson. With Pacman cut and Tank Johnson a free agent nobody cares to re-sign, both those dudes will be long gone by the time the 09 season kicks off, but I’m pretty sure that won’t fix things completely.
by the red scare on Jan 23, 2009 3:18 AM CST up reply actions
yeah, it's a lot deeper than "cut T.O. and everything will be fine"
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 23, 2009 4:48 AM CST up reply actions
I love how there is the common misconception that Parcells was, "run out of town by the players"
I just don’t remember ever reading anything where he stated that the players where the reason he was retiring from coaching in his late 60’s.
The guy just retired from coaching. Pure and simple. You may have noticed that he is not currently on the sideline in Miami. An executive position is much more his speed now and I was wishing that he would have stayed in Dallas in exactly that capacity a year before he took the job in Miami. I’m guessing that Jerry would never be interested in conceding to something like that though.
If anything it was Jerry that may have run him out, not the players. Parcells has never been a fan of someone over his head bringing in players he does not want. You may recall that he left New England under similar circumstances when Kraft and company drafted Terry Glenn instead of who he wanted. My assumption is that Jerry bringing in TO may have triggered a similar response from Parcells in Dallas. But more than anything the guy just looked tired to me. He’s much older now and just didn’t look to have the energy need to be a head coach in the NFL anymore.
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Jerry will never concede authority to another coach
like he did with Parcells. Jerry has to be in control, pure and simple, and it won’t really change until he’s dead, unfortunately.
In Romo we Trust
I disagree to an extent...
This of course is ALLLLL based on speculation and “sources,” but it seems like he’s beginning to relax a little bit in his old age. He seems to relinquishing his death grip on the franchise a bit to Stephen…whether that’s a good thing or not. I do believe this old dog may learn a new trick…
by AikmanNailedMySis on Jan 23, 2009 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
I think over time
he will gradually give Stephen more say in the decision making process, but he will ALWAYS have final say over all decisions until the day he dies or is declared incompetent by a court of law.
In Romo we Trust
Death
may stop Jerry, but not incompetence.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
I was cool with Irvin until this whole reality show thing.
Now Im just embarrassed.
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 23, 2009 4:37 AM CST up reply actions
I really do like the idea i should be good tv
But as a fan I think it is just another distraction to the Cowboys
?
You were smart enough to leave Texas for the Ivy League and
you’re apologizing for it?
Sorry, mister, turn in your card.
You never really leave Texas
You bring it with you, give them some of it, and then you return.
signing Ray Lewis would be a huge mistake
You can’t buy leadership…Lewis is on the downslide of his career and not worth what he will command.
But hey, let's discuss the issue here
Is Glory right? Is it true that you can’t just import a leader? I think so. I remember reading something on the DMN blog a while back, I think it was written on Kevin Burnett’s section saying that “Zach’s the leader off the field and Bradie’s the leader on it.”
The cowboys need someone who can be both. Maybe Bradie James is it. He doesn’t put up Ware’s numbers but people seem to call him the leader. I still think hiring someone like Irvin in that capacity is a good idea. If nothing else, he could break the ice on intensity. Sometimes when I watch these games it seems like the majority of the team is just going through the motions. Irvin might make it more socially acceptable to lay into someone for screwing up or slacking off.
I was going to mention Bradie also
he shows certain qualities, and the guys respect his play.
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 23, 2009 4:38 AM CST up reply actions
Bradie James is simply
getting better and better every year. He will be our Ray Lewis from hereonout.
Glory is right, real leaders are homegrown.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 23, 2009 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
Well put
Upon further review, after reading the write up, I’m on board. Ray probably couldn’t do much to salvage the mentality of the team.
And yeah, Ware emerging as the leader of the defense would thrill me to no end. If anybody in the NFL has a right to be loud, rally the troops, whatever, it’s him.
I don't buy the idea that Parcells couldn't have handled these children if he wanted
I know he chose to leave them behind, but I bet it’s not accurate that he couldn’t have done it if his heart had been in it. He probably just came to the conclusion that at this point in his life who needs the trouble. He knew he would be hired somewhere else whenever he wanted.
A lot of the clowns we talk about strike me as being very child like. I think under the right coach they would break and cry quite easily, sort of like they do under pressure in big games.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jan 23, 2009 6:51 AM CST reply actions
But Bill built this roster right?
These are his kids.
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 23, 2009 7:25 AM CST up reply actions
Let's not forget
some of the characters Bill has successfully corralled in the past before we unequivocally say BP was “run out of town” by the likes of Anotnio Bryant and Marcus Spears
by Starred4Life on Jan 23, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
BP kept them in line. Look at them now.
Jimmy had a bunch of thugs but he kept them in line. He left and look what happen.
I know what Antonio Bryant did
but what did Marcus Spears do? I know that he has underachieved but I wouldn’t exactly call his character questionable unless you know something I don’t?
I don't think Spears had any positive comments about
how Parcells used him, even though it was most likely Big Bill that made sure they didn’t leave the 1st round without him.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 31, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
Oh yeah, I forgot
about that. He hasn’t exactly over-achieved has he.
Maybe the problem is
Everyone is fine with the Cowboys’ players trying to control the locker room. Maybe if the players realized they were the players and the coaches are there to help them, this whole Ray Ray situation wouldn’t need to be brought up.
If no players, coaches or front office people in this locker room are stepping up, who will? Sure Romo has said he’s going to, but until he eliminates his Rex Grossman-like errors, he won’t be taken seriously. D-Ware: I’d love to see it, but I don’t think it will happen. He’s too nice to be a leader that everyone will listen to.
Let’s face it, we need someone outside the organization with a reputation. If you think someone inside this locker room is suddenly going to come forward and lead, you’ve got another thing coming. Romo tried to in the Philly game by sending the punt team off the field, but then there was a turnover and that was done.
Best case scenario would be to get Cowher and maybe bring in Farrior. That way, Farrior could be a leader on the field by knowing the system and off by showing everyone what Cowher expects. Aside from something like that, we are not going to make enough progress this year to win the Super Bowl.
can we please forget about Cowher!!
I agree with your post until you got to your “best case scenario”. While I agree that Cowher and Farrior would be a great combo in Dallas it just ain’t gonna happen. Cowher is the next Jimmy Johnson, he’ll be more than happy to simply sit in his nice chair and talk about football. This way he gets to spend time with his family and lose the ulcers that come with coaching. And at the end of every season he’ll continue to get calls from NFL owners asking if he’s interested in coaching again (which will stroke his ego and make him still feel important) which he can then use as leverage to get CBS to re-up his contract. There is absolutely no reason for him to come back into coaching. He’s one a Super Bowl and he’s got a good relationship with the media so he’s pretty much a shoe-in for the Hall of Fame.
I agree with you that Cowher would be great in Dallas, just don’t see it happening.
I find this whole Ray Lewis thing hysterical
Just because he’s a great leader with the Ravens doesn’t mean he can transfer that leadership to our locker room and then automatically our team chemistry would improve and players would be held accountable.
Players on the Ravens love Ray Lewis and respect the hell out of him, Cowboys players don’t respect anyone else on the team and Ray Lewis would be no different. If he tried to yell at T.O. like he does his players, you’re looking at a major locker room royal rumble.
In Romo we Trust
Terry did you ever play football?
Because let me tell you there was at least one brawl every year when i played. It happens all the time in competitive environments.
What do you think happens in locker rooms? They slap each other on the butt and sing broadway show tunes?
Game Recognize Game
by pretty ricky on Jan 23, 2009 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
Well I apologize for assuming
you never played the game, I have just read some of your other posts referring to fights in the locker room as if they are the worst thing that could happen to a team.
A combination of testosterone and competitive spirit can result in an exchange of blows between teammates.
I have seen guys tee off on each other and then shake hands afterwards. If coach found out about a fight the two guys would end up running laps taking turns carrying each other on their backs.
So my point to you is that fights happen but they aren’t the worst thing, and def don’t mean a team is dysunfctional, and I will leave it at that.
And apologies to GloryDayz for going off topic.
Game Recognize Game
by pretty ricky on Jan 23, 2009 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
What you're describing
Is more like siblings fighting, brothers scrapping in the backyard or sisters getting into a hair pulling match because one borrowed the others dress without asking. I think what Terry’s referring too is more like kids from opposite sides of the track defending their turf from outsiders, which I think is what Ray would be perceived as. Glory, as usual, makes excellent , well thought out points.
A little off topic, Glory I would love to see you become one of the regular contributors that Grizz recently asked for. I really enjoy reading your ideas adn views on things. I also like that you put them forward as your opinion and then back it up with logic rather than stating something as “the gospel, because I said so” like alot of posters on here do.
Completely Disagree
Apply this to your own everyday life. When your company hires some new manager to come in and "clean up the operation," how is that guy received? What is said about him when he is beyond earshot? Have you ever been to a local concert, and the lead singer from a band you’ve never heard of tries to start a mosh pit?
Come on Glory terrible comparisons, this is not some nobody, this is Ray Lewis. Everyone knows and respects Ray Lewis. You brought up your TO feud but come on TO made fun of the Cowboys star and look where he is now. Bad examples man.
Ray Lewis, like you said, has the resume, and a good resume at that, to back it up. I am tired of all the age talk and skills diminishing. He had 117 tackles last year. Add in his leadership qualities and this guy is a bargain for what we would have to pay for him. For all I care I would love for TO to step up to Ray Lewis because I will tell you what the team probably would sway to the side of Ray and maybe we could finally get him to shut up and play some football.
No everyone does respect him
He always plays with heart and passion and has the numbers to back up everything he does and says
This team just doesn’t need any more "stars" IMHO…
I don’t mind seeing them both draft someone while also getting a bargain basement free agent that has some size and simply plays his position solidly and a little under the radar.
All this talk of bringing in even more high priced celebrities, approaching the end of their careers makes me feel like Dan Snyder is secretly running things and not Jerry. I thought he learned his lesson when he took apart the 90’s team so quickly but he may take apart this one before they’ve even won playoff game.
I really hope these Ray Ray rumors are just that… Rumors. Football is not like baseball. In Baseball any given position is played the same regardless of where you play; i.e. The responsibilities of a Shortstop don’t really change from Red Sox to the Yankees to the Rangers etc… The same cannot be said of Football. A middle linebacker’s responsibilities can be vastly different from one team to the next. Even though Ray has experience in the 3/4 it does not mean he would be asked to the same things in Dallas. He may have a completely different set of responsibilities that don’t particularly utilize his skills
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+1
No more imported stars!
Find some in the draft or the guys that are here should become them. The future will show guys like James, Choice, and Columbo continue to take care of “their” team.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 23, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
Hey Glory
I hope you’ve applied for that front page gig.
That is why I vote for Bart Scott
A psycho who tries to kill himself on the football field..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
The only reason I think Ray could work
is because this team doesn’t have anyone who would oppose Ray for the leadership role. There’s no one on this roster who A) is a leader, and B) wants to lead.
I don’t think T.O. would oppose Ray. T.O. has never tried to be the leader on any team he’s been on. He’s too selfish/self-indulged for that role and I think he knows that and is comfortable with it. He just craves attention and wants to win.
Judging from some of the comments made by the players this year, it seems they’re craving leadership and accountability in the locker room.
thats not the problem
the problem is the players listening to Ray, why do you think its a given? Its not.
In Romo we Trust
If they don't listen to Ray
then the Cowboys D is full of Moron’s. Ray holds film sessions at his house on a weekly basis. If Ed Reed, Bart Scott, Terrell Suggs, and Haloti Ngata listen then the Cowboys players damn well better too. But I don’t think Ray is coming anyway.
Game Recognize Game
by pretty ricky on Jan 23, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
I think it's close to 'a given'
because I don’t believe there’s a single Cowboys player who wants the leadership role on this team. Nor do I think there is a single leader on this team. Don’t you guys agree that leaders fall into that “you know one when you see one” category—even for us fans watching on TV?
During the last 3-4 years, have you ever said to yourself, “Yup, that guy’s the heart and soul of this team…”? I know I haven’t.
When a team doesn’t have that leader, it usually means there are players fullfilling that role that either A) are not leaders, B) do not want to be leaders, or both. Being a leader is a load, not a lot of players want that responsibility; in many cases they’re happy to unload it. This is the reason why I think it’s close to a “given” that the majority of the players would support Ray in a leadership role—because nobody else wants it.
by Starred4Life on Jan 23, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
I agree
Respect is earned, never given. And even though Ray Ray is respected by the Ravens, the fans, and the media… it does not mean that players who have never played a game with him will respect him.
Seriously?
Yeah Super Bowl MVP’s haven’t earned any respect.
Since when do you have to play on the same team with someone to respect them?
I guess that throws the phrase “He’s one of the most respected players in the league” out the window.
Poor Tom Brady I bet nobody but current and former Pats player respect him.
Game Recognize Game
by pretty ricky on Jan 23, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
You're comparing apples to oranges
Everyone can respect an individual for their accomplishments, but that doesnt mean you automatically have the type of respect for that person that you are going blindly follow them. There are different types and varying levels of respect.
I respect police officers and fire fighters for the jobs they do, keeping us safe and putting up with a lot of BS in the process while making relatively little money. Same thing for teachers. Now that doesn’t mean every cop Ive ever met, I respected on a personal level, ‘cuase there are some a-hole cops out there.
You can respect Ray Lewis for his accomplishments on the field, but that doesn’t mean if he comes into your lockerroom and trys to start laying down the law that you are going to automatically follow him.
+1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 24, 2009 6:42 PM CST up reply actions
See
You can respect Ray Lewis for his accomplishments on the field, but that doesn’t mean if he comes into your lockerroom and trys to start laying down the law that you are going to automatically follow him.
Thats what I was tryin to say
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 24, 2009 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
So who will they follow then if not Ray?
That is my point.
I think this team lacks fire. Desire, attittude, and if necessary a little friction are needed to spark this fire. Ray is the best is that, and what I am wondering is if you don’t think Ray can bring that who can?
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by pretty ricky on Jan 26, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
They wont follow anyone
they’re too overconfident.
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 26, 2009 5:18 PM CST up reply actions
what if..
He comes in and lays Marion Barber and Witten on there back in TC. Would they then buy-in?
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
Its not as if they dont know what he can do,
its just that they would resent a newcomer telling them what to do.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 26, 2009 8:07 PM CST up reply actions
I would hope that the drubbing by the Eagles
would have humbled them a bit.
But if you are right that they will not follow anyone then what other options are there than to clean house and start from scratch?
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by pretty ricky on Jan 27, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
ok you are missing my point.
I agree they don’t have to follow ANYBODY.
But if they don’t have respect for Ray Lewis who are they going to have respect for?
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by pretty ricky on Jan 26, 2009 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
haha
sorry fellas tried to reply to WMB and Glory individually. but it lined em up back to back looks like i am repeating myself.
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by pretty ricky on Jan 26, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
I see your point to an extent
If you are going to bring in someone externally to lead an apparently leadless team, then Ray could be an excellent choice. The problem as I see it is that he COULD be an excellent choice. Do you want to risk the cap space to sign a “could be a leader”? In fact, what if part of the team decides he’s a great leader and part of the team says “Hell no!” Then you really DO have a team split down the middle. I just dont see why you gamble that kind of money on an at best 50/50 proposition.
If there in no leadership stepping up internally then
where do you find the leadership?
Unless you believe that this team doesn’t need any leadership, then our discussion ends here (as enjoyable as I have found it) because I think leadership is the one missing element for this team.
I have heard that “homegrown” leadership is needed but that seems like the same “COULD” be odds that you are referring to with Ray.Do the cowboys draft a 21 year old kid who “COULD” be the leader of this team? What are the odds of that panning out and how do you come up with said odds.
James and Ware’s names have been tossed about as proposed leaders but they have been on the team 6 and 4 years respectively. If they haven’t stepped up now it is doubtful that they will.
So I would rather hitch my wagon to a proven leader that make this super talented group of individuals into the dominating team that it should be.
Of course if you agree with Glory that they won’t listen to anybody then we are in for a long run of disappointments.
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by pretty ricky on Jan 27, 2009 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
You see, this is the problem!!!
James and Ware’s names have been tossed about as proposed leaders
Screw proposing leaders and trying to get people to step up. Leaders don’t get asked to become leaders. Brady/Ware/Whoever needs to stand up and say enough is enough. Have some freakin’ pride and say HEY! WE’RE THE PUNCH LINE OF THE NFL! Now let’s get prepared this offseason, get in tuned with each other, screw everybody else, and let’s start busting people in the mouth!
by AikmanNailedMySis on Jan 27, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
Yes that's exactly what I meant
when I said in the rest of the statement
“but they have been on the team 6 and 4 years respectively. If they haven’t stepped up now it is doubtful that they will.”
A leader has to step up of his own will and nobody on this team has.
So where do they go from here? I say bring in Ray since nobody else is stepping up but your post below about Scott,Suggs, and Lewis being a packaged deal to the Ravens has pretty much burst my bubble.
But I got nothing better to do at work lately so I continue to argue anyway.
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by pretty ricky on Jan 27, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
I know man...
Living in B’More, I give my boss crap EVERYDAY about how we’re taking Scott and Leonhard. He just shrugs it off. Now I see why. Burst my bubble is the best way to put it haha
by AikmanNailedMySis on Jan 27, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
+1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 27, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with all points except...
That leadership has to be homegrown. If that’s the case how come their is a coaching carousel each offseason involving coaches from other teams.
Look at the 2 teams in the Superbowl. Both head coaches are imports. And what’s even crazier is that Wisenhunt got snubbed by the Steelers.
If you are talking about locker room leadership let’s focus specifically on the LB position. Antonio Pierce, Jonathan Vilma, James Farrior, London Fletcher, all imported linebackers and I would consider them to be the defensive leaders of their respective teams.
I agree no to Ray based on the amount of money he will cost for his age. If he was cheaper I wouldn’t mind the age, if he was younger I wouldn’t mind the money.
I must admit tho that I am truly biased because after witnessing his Super Bowl performance I consider him the greatest linebacker to ever play the game based on knowledge,performance, and leadership. But let’s save that discussion for another thread.
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Maybe its just me but where is our homegrown talent?
I mean if we had this defensive leader people would not be out there pre-snap, with their hands in the air wondering who and where they are supposed to cover. If Bradie James is conducting this then maybe someone else needs to step forward.
Well Romo, Witten, Barber, Ware, Newman, Ellis, Ratliff, Flozell and James
are homegrown. The Cowboys have developed a lot of talent on this roster, its just they choose to spend in free agency as well. I don’t get what the problem with that is.
by houseofprime on Jan 23, 2009 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
Choice
could be that guy in a couple of years, I think.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
If not Ray...
…and you make a good case that it shouldn’t be…
Then what should the Cowboys be doing? I agree that it would be terrific if Ware or Bradie James could step up and become that leader and make it work. Is the best thing they can do on the leadership front sit back and hope one of these guys steps up to the plate? Sometimes the best move is the one you don’t make, but this seems a lot like sitting back and hoping things get better.
Leaders have to be grown organically within an organization as opposed to being hired
Demarcus Ware, he has the most credibility, if he would just exert his authority
I saw an interview with Ravens owner
He seemed sincere about getting a deal done for Ray Lewis. I don’t think he’s going to leave Baltimore, and I’m glad. Not that he isn’t a certain HOF player, but let’s not sign these veterans on the down slope of their career to fat contracts. It’s just not the answer.
Glory, I couldn’t agree more with your statement
You can not just rent a leader; not with this team
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
I like Crowder
I liked him a lot the year he came out. My only concern is, that he is not the greatest in coverage. Our defense works best when we have at least one ILB who can cover, like Wade had in Donnie Edwards in San Diego. Crowder is a good player but he is more suited to play Bradie James’ spot.
I would love to see us re-sign Burnett and finally give him a real shot. I don’t think he would disappoint. We should still draft an ILB regardless.
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 25, 2009 3:17 AM CST up reply actions
good point
Any way Burnet comes back 250 this off-season?
On yahoo he is listed at 227, but on nfl.com he listed at 242 which one is he? If he is really 242 going to the off-season, Dallas should sign him back. I think it is possible for him to add 8 pounds of muscle this off-season.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
I'm sure he could
but Im not sure he needs to.
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 25, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
I think Ray Lewis would be alright in a 2 year contract
The Cap is not an issue. 2010 will be an uncapped year. And no there has not been any indication from players, the league, or the owners that the CBA will be negotiated before then.
That being the case. I would take his enthusiasm. I like the ray lewis, brian cox, hugh douglas types. at least lewis can play.
Good post, though.
""I really dig Hannibal. Hannibal had real guts. He rode elephants into Cartilage." -Tyson
On Channing Crowder
If he was anything special I really think The Tuna would have made a better effort at resigning him he did have a lot of tackles but I am not sold that he could play better than Burnett could at the position
Update from B'More...
Don’t have the link, I just saw it in the paper while standing in line…Terrell Suggs came out and said he, Ray, and Bart Scott should be open to giving Baltimore a home team discount/package deal. All three want to stay in town, and Bisciotti desperately wants to re-sign all three. Suggs named Adalius Thomas an example, saying they don’t want anymore of their brothers to leave…bad news for us, I guess…
by AikmanNailedMySis on Jan 26, 2009 11:28 AM CST reply actions
GloryDayz88
Wanted to come on your most recent fan post and congratulate you… We usually have similar views on Cowboy topics-except TO-LOL..
Glad you decided to become a front page blogger.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
TO will be n Dallas n 2009
TO will be wearing the star when the 2009 season began, warts and all. now as far as the 2010 season is concern, i do not see TO in big d. jerry does not want to take the cap hit, he already said that he would not be able to sign d-ware to a long term contract if he let TO go in 2009. Also TO famous agent has said that TO is not going anywhere atleast not in 2009.
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"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 26, 2009 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
Osama of Iowa - Ray wont work b/c that dude is a Raven
He will never be a Cowboy – Ravens have a different view of team d, the cowboys need something like it but will never match it. They draft Ravens, Ray was one of the 1st. Hall of Famer should stay in B-more
i disagree
we need a player like ray on our roster which lacks leaders….Trying to find a ray lewis type player in the draft is not so easy…I agree building a team through the draft but we need a player who can provide leadership on and off the field in the worst way and ray is the answer…
I disagree with your disagreeing.
When has a STAR veteran Free Agent pickup ever helped a team win a Superbowl? Really, you just rent guys like that for one, two, maybe three years, and then they go their separate ways leaving you right back where you started.
This isn’t the 90’s anymore where you can get yourself Deions and Ken Nortons and bank everything on one year. There is not one team to beat anymore to put your team over the hill. Now, it’s a free for all. Whoever has the best organization seems to win the Superbowl every year.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 5, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions

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