Groundhog Day with Roy Williams
The phone rings Friday afternoon. It's DCFanatic. I can tell right away by the tone of his voice something's up. It's RW2. While giving some interviews on Friday, Roy Williams managed to toss plenty of people under the proverbial bus.
My initial reaction - Groundhog Day. What's new? Another Cowboy decides to air-it-out in the press. My second reaction - good. Add some more fuel to the fire and blow it up.
Time to opine on another Cowboy who either: a) spoke the truth b) personified the modern narcissist athlete c) threw his team under the bus or d) all of the above. Isn't it always ‘all of the above' with the Cowboys? It's become tough to even analyze what these guys are saying anymore.
I couldn't even generate a healthy outrage or a healthy agreement with Roy. I wasn't even amused by it.
Rationally, I can see that this team could be very good. This upcoming season, if we sidetrack the injury bug, we could be back in the playoffs. We could be dangerous. I see the talent, I see the potential.
But they're never going to get anywhere if they all don't shut up.
Sure, they have the right to speak their minds, by the same token they have the right to lose football games. Sure, the media stirs things up with the questions, which is their right. But the players have the right to do their best impression of Crash Davis teaching Nuke LaLoosh his clichés and give them nothing. "We'll just take it one game at a time." "I'm just trying to help the team." Clichés are your friends - learn them, love them.
Jerry Jones, your team is dysfunctional, do something about it.
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FIRST!
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
I only read the first link...
…and honestly, i didn’t really think that RW2 threw anyone under da bus in THAT particular blog entry. I think the blogger tried to add a lil fuel to the fire, but overall, if what #11 said was true, then it must be — esp. with other sources also echoing the same sentiments.
Wade better “change” for this ’09 season.
Oh yeah, and this would be the perfect opportunity to throw in…
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
Practice?
Man we talking about practice?
But honestly it doesnt matter if what he said was true or not. (RW that is) The fact is he shouldnt be saying it at all.
Jerry Jones, your team is dysfunctional, do something about it.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 31, 2009 3:39 AM CST up reply actions
I agree...
I took away from it that’s it’s pretty sad that an 0-16 team prepared better than us. It’s just another example of how flawed this coaching staff is…
Jeez
"I just do my part, beat the guy and put it on film and show the coordinator that I can run routes and win in this league.
I’d like to see this “magical” film Roy has that actually shows his dumb a** beating the DB’s because I sure as heck didn’t see much of that. Yeah, I wish he’d have been more involved too but maybe it wasn’t all the coaches or Romo’s fault. Maybe he just didn’t play very good and then with his injury he wasn’t beating very many people that I saw. Of course, he probably didn’t see that on the “film”.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
Yeah I didnt see anything to suggest this is right:
Williams added that his plantar fasciitis was not that big of a problem for him and he was able to consistently get open. You believe that?
“The foot didn’t ever slow me down,” Williams said. “I think that was more of an excuse for others to use. But going into this season there won’t be any excuses.”
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 31, 2009 6:36 AM CST up reply actions
With so many players speaking out against Garrett
it makes one wonder if he is the problem.
IF YOU'RE LOOKIN FOR ME...I'M AT THE SCRIP CLUB WITH PACMAN......AND WE'RE BEING REBELLION!!
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 31, 2009 6:15 AM CST reply actions
Who do they fear?
They don’t fear Wade. He’s allegedly a “player’s coach.” He allegedly runs camp cupcake. Not too many players throwing him under the bus.
Garrett, as you point out, is a whole different story. Numerous players, including our tabloid QB, have taken shots. Is it because his coaching, planning and playcalling are really deficient? Or is it because he is demanding some accountability and trying to play the part of hard-ass on the team? I don’t know the answer. Garrett may be auditioning for the part of reaper, but the players don’t fear him.
by Boundforbeach on Jan 31, 2009 7:12 AM CST up reply actions
Its hard to gain players fear or more importantly their respect
When the two people above you (HC and GM) undermine anything you do in terms of accountability and discipline. To me JG is in a lose-lose situation. If he is hard on the players, they will continue to undermine him because they know the higher aurthorities will forgive them. If Garrett eases off and tries to get the players to like him rather than respect him, the offense will again regress and he might be out of a job. He is in a tough position.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 31, 2009 7:19 AM CST up reply actions
Witten called any criticism of Garrett as "bogus"
He has no reason to deflect criticism, unlike the other critics
If Garrett
is in the unenviable role of disciplinarian on a coaching staff with none and that is considered a problem I agree. If Garrett is a disciplinarian-type, the players aren’t going to find his style as conducive to them being able to do what they want to.
Everyone needs structure but that does’t mean everyone will seek it. Ask my 4 year-old, she’ll tell you the same thing
+1
Although its hard to instill discipline when the two men above you constantly undermine you
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 31, 2009 6:02 PM CST up reply actions
I don't have any facts, but just from other serious cowboy fans, some that have some connections
They wanted Garrett to get a HC job so they would be off the hook for his 3 mil salary. Wade was going to take a step down to become the asst. HC and DC coach and Shannahan was going to be hired. Not that far fetched if you think about it and it could still happen next year.
yeah did you see the interview with a fan on DC fanatic
that was at the Tech vs. UT game? He said that he went up to Roy at the game and Roy said that he hoped JG got the job. During the game, Roy got a text and got very upset, supposedly, telling him that Garrett did not get the job. I know that the offense definitely doesn’t like JG but this is getting ridiculous. Why does everyone think that they air out their dirty laundry with the media?
Seriously.
Especially Roy. He should just stick to the Longhorns’ sign as his only means of communication.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 31, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
I live in Austin and so I followed Roy pretty closely
so I’m pretty disappointed in him. He was always a stand-up team player at UT. Didn’t even complain alot when Vince Young got all the attention. I don’t know what happened to him.
T.O. and Crayton and the Dallas media happened to him.
Personally, I don’t think his thoughts are wrong. We all have probably had the same fears about the Cowboys’ practices. He just has an objective comparison with the way the Lions’ worked during the very same season.
But right now, it would be nice for guys to let go of last season. Maybe after the Pro Bowl all eyes will be on next year.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 31, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
A business acquaintance of mine
is indirectly related to Crayton. On the day that JG was in St. Louis I asked her from a players perspective about TO. She said that all the WRs are close and cover each others back. She said that they get frustrated with JG because he won’t communicate with them what he wants. They don’t respect him because he won’t talk with them. Also, she said that the team was really surprised that a story didn’t make the press before the last game (Philly). Apparently, Pacman got into a fight with his girlfriend publically and hit her. Suprisingly it didn’t make the news. I’m sure there’s a lot more garbage going on that we don’t know about.
It would explain Pacman's almost immediate release.
Or at the top of the list of several reasons. He just strikes me as a bad dude.
Yeah, I was kind of wondering why they released him
when they did. Why not wait until Feb. like everyone else? The timing seems really strange. I don’t mean to be negative but until this team learns to shut up and buy into the team first they will never be successful IMO.
Holy smokes.
I hope Pac can turn things around.
I’m starting to think the other way around about Garrett. Maybe HE doesn’t respect the WRs. Maybe they are louder than the little snippets we do hear. This is bad.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 31, 2009 6:10 PM CST up reply actions
TO and Crayton
I don’t like the fact that Barber hangs out with them now.
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 31, 2009 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
Crayton may not be that bad if he wasn’t so heavily influenced by TO. My coaching acquaintance said he’s really a nice guy but he talks too much.
Hoof and mouth disease is contagious!
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 31, 2009 6:11 PM CST up reply actions
unfortunately
it is like cancer in that it spreads-gotta cut it out before it infects everything. Don’t know who to believe but something has to give.
This is the kind of thing that is almost impossible to "value"........
when a decision is being considered whether or not to cut TO. IF, and that’s a big IF, TO is having this influence on other players, how do you factor that into the decision making process? This is the stuff the TO defenders never want to deal with directly, they just cite his stats and tell us Dallas can’t win without his on field production.
In my opinion, a lot of these players have the emotional intelligence of 12 yr olds and it’s not hard to imagine how they could be easily influenced to do the wrong thing. Public whining and calling out of teammates and coaches is not professional…..period. If you have a beef, be an adult and address it directly and privately with the person you have a problem with.
by StillHateTheGiants on Feb 2, 2009 8:09 AM CST up reply actions
Interesting.
Would love it to work out that way, but I just don’t see anybody stepping down from an HC position within the same organization.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 31, 2009 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
This guy is an idiot
If you want to listen to his words, from the horse’s mouth (ass more like it) then listen to the 17 min podcast
http://sports.espn.go.com/stations/player?context=podcast&id=3873177
I have never liked Galloway much but I think he asked him the right questions. And RW just doesn’t seem to get it. Galloway challenged him that this stuff should be kept in the locker room, nah he thinks its much better to crap all over his coaches in public.
He asked RW about Aikman’s comments on his sloppy route-running. And RW complains about only ever running a couple of routes. THey’re not going to give you more if you can run those few right .
If you are going to dump TO for not being a team guy, then you have to dump this guy too.
"Where's Woody? - We need another Darren Woodson
sorry its late
2nd last line s/b if you “can’t run those few right”
"Where's Woody? - We need another Darren Woodson
While I agree with youre first points,
the situation iwth him and TO is different. Age and contract comes into the equation.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 31, 2009 7:21 AM CST up reply actions
So...
People ready to blame this latest interview on TO coming in… 5… 4… 3… 2… 1…
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
It IS T.O.'s fault!
He should of controlled Roy. He should of given Roy a different cell phone. T.O. should give Roy one of those Jitterbug phones and only let Roy call home to T.O.
""I really dig Hannibal. Hannibal had real guts. He rode elephants into Cartilage." -Tyson
It is obvious to me...
With so many players unhappy with the coaching staff that they must be, (as I have suspected all along), the real problem here. This is not just one guy saying this, it’s a least three major players at this point, (Romo, Owens, RW11).
I promise you, with this staff this team will do no better than 9-7 next year as well. And now 2010 looks like it may have a cap after all. Which means Dallas will be in real trouble that year as Jerry has structured so many of the recent contracts planning on 2010 being an uncapped year.
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
Cowher?? yea right
Does anyone think cowher could coexist with our top 2 receivers or oline? He’d have a completely new offense in here and we’d be back to square one.
The Cowher Power!
A Super Bowl every 11 years!
""I really dig Hannibal. Hannibal had real guts. He rode elephants into Cartilage." -Tyson
What evidence is there that romo is upset with the coaching staff?
aside from a couple quotes after they got flat out embarrassed to end the season when Romo had just collapsed in the locker room?
examples of what our players yapping with the media
1) Pacman gets in trouble again before AZ game-We lose the game seem unfoced first half
2) Romo gets hurt in AZ game tells media he will play in Rams game-we lose terribly very unfocused
3) Before Pittsburg game Jerry throws Barber under the bus to the media and all the garbage about TO,Romo, Witten-we lose
4) Pacman comes back from injury in Ravens game all kinds of drama going on-we lose
5) We put up a stinker against Philly and TO says “offense got figured out”, Romo says “life goes on” and “offense got figured out”
All these distractions in the media are what destroyed this team. Why can’t they air out their differences behind closed doors? I agree that JG needs to learn a lot but I don’t think it’s cool to take it to the media
And PacMan made that dumb comment about the Rams
just before they whooped on us.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 31, 2009 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
Wasnt that Crayton?
Its the Rams Dude
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 31, 2009 6:15 PM CST up reply actions
here's how behind i am... what did he say?
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
This was the week of the first Philly game
Yeah, well, Pac is back. And this time, he is responding to curious minds wondering whether he’s worried abotu the impressive Philadelphia passing attack that piled up yards last week against St. Louis.
“They played the Rams, dude,” Pacman said.
There are many of us who feel that way, but that doesn’t mean he has to say it. Much like the rest of us, sure, but that doesn’t mean he has to say it
http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2008/09/11/pacman-does-not-think-highly-of-the-rams/
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 31, 2009 10:14 PM CST up reply actions
it was after a game that the Rams had played
somebody-I think it was Philly? Anyway they got beat pretty bad and Pacman said “it was the Rams” dude. Then of course we go and get whipped by the rams
Sorry, you'll have to do better than those 3 when you say "so many"
TO, RW2 and Romo, that’s the best you got? That’s like saying 3 boys in kindergarten don’t like the teacher so the teacher has to be fired. If you want to tell me he should be fired for play calling, I might be with you, but that doesn’t fly with me to fire him because 3 guys with their maturity don’t like him.
by StillHateTheGiants on Feb 2, 2009 8:15 AM CST up reply actions
Cornerbacks to WR Roy Williams: 'Why do they got you running this same thing over and over again?'
Jason Garrett is a turd.
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
Has anyone heard of the media lockdown Galloway refers to in this interview?
Galloway asks RW2 why he is talking to the media when Jerry Jones has ordered a media lockdown. Has anyone heard about this?
IF da King has indeed ordered this so-called media lockdown...
…he’s doing a piss-poor job of enforcing it.
Although I did not agree with BP’s in-game decision-making, I did like his enforcement of the no-talking-to-da-media policy.
Let’s get real here. The children players don’t respect the coaches/front office/owner. Their words mean NOTHING.
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
by silverblue5 on Jan 31, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
+1
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 31, 2009 6:12 PM CST up reply actions
+2
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 31, 2009 6:16 PM CST up reply actions
That's what they tell Galloway
when he tries to get more tequila at Jerry’s media parties.
""I really dig Hannibal. Hannibal had real guts. He rode elephants into Cartilage." -Tyson
Welcome to another installment of Jerry Jones' Flying Circus
Are other teams this messed up and we just know about ours because it’s Dallas, or is this a unique situation? Cause I’m getting pretty discouraged. I can’t even get excited about the draft because I feel like we could get the first 5 picks and still not have a “team”. Something needs changed in a big way, but I don’t see anything happening.
Hey...
..why not describe the intimate parts of your spouse’s anatomy? How about the problems your kids are having in school? Because it’s inappropriate, and it makes you look like a boorish jerk with no sense of propriety if you do.
Some things need to remain ‘in the family’ and not discussed in public. I’ve always felt the team was like a family and that these internal disputes were supposed to remain…‘internal.’
RW2 needs to hire a diction coach before he has another interview, it is not in his best interest to have direct quotes published.
Now to the reality of the situation. Garrett was supposedly the reason we stayed with pasta-arm Brad Johnson as our back-up QB. That bad decision alone probably cost us a game or two. Tashard Choice doesn’t emerge until the end of the season? Did he suddenly become good or did JG fail to realize how much he could contribute? Felix left out of an entire game? WTF? JG made some serious errors, no doubt.
However he’s got 20 million eyes to catch every mistake. I’m also willing to discount the trash talk from opposing teams who may be trying to play head games with players AND coaches.
I’m hoping/betting that JG comes back with a vengeance and shows some creativity. All of these guys, need to start talking to each other, until then they’re only going to create rather than solve problems.
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
I've Long Since Given Up on Garrett
There isn’t any evidence he knows what he’s doing, after being in the league as a player and coach for 16 yrears, and two as an offensive coordinator. The mistakes you mentioned are obvious and bush league, and would be an embarrassment to Division III coaches. He’s just getting by on his reputation.
I’m no defender of Stewart, but if we apply the same standards to Garrett as we did to Brian, both would have been fired.
the difference
is that garrett was the OC (whether people want to admit it or not) of what was a historically good offense in 2007 for the first 3 months of the season. Stewart never showed the potential.
If Stewart had the #1 D in the league, and then a year like this year, i doubt he’d be fired.
+1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 31, 2009 6:17 PM CST up reply actions
Garrett Started Out Hot
But after defenses so how he called games, it’s been all downhill ever since. That’s underwhelming potential to me.
Sure did.
He just wouldn’t give up on the successful plays they ran in 07, even though 08 offered different circumstances. The first Philly game and the Packers gameplans were like his reference points for the rest of the season.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 31, 2009 6:42 PM CST up reply actions
We don't really know
who was the mastermind behind our offense in 2007 do we? We did find out one thing though, Romo can’t beat the blitz real well like say Kurt Warner?
Didn't Sparano call the running game while Garrett called the passing with Sparano
making the overall decision?
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 31, 2009 6:46 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know
but if that’s the case it sure explains a lot about why our running game changed a lot.
yes. that's the way i understood it.
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
Who cares..
It is Jan 31st, the combine is more important then Roy’s comments.
This team made so many mental errors last year there is enough blame for everyone. I am not worried the finger pointing will continue for next couple of months.
Looking forward to FA and the Draft.
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
Well normally I would agree with you
but this is your first, third, and sixth round pick talking.
""I really dig Hannibal. Hannibal had real guts. He rode elephants into Cartilage." -Tyson
You mean
a new option at Safety, a fat yet athletic NT and a real backup QB.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 31, 2009 6:18 PM CST up reply actions
Which 'real' backup qb could we haev gotten in the 6th round?
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 31, 2009 6:19 PM CST up reply actions
I kinda like the Painter kid from Purdue
He probably will go a little earlier. We have way too many draft picks this year to have them all make the team.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 31, 2009 6:24 PM CST up reply actions
So hear how things go
When TO complains, he’s called a team destroyer and a despicable human being. “TO needs to go.” The people saying to cut TO weren’t complaining about his age or skills—just the fact he is a “distraction.” These ADD riddled players became distracted, thus causing us to finish 9-7. He did it in SF, Philly, and now here.
When Roy complains, people are wondering whether what they’re saying about Garret is correct. Roy is a wonderful human being. Just read the posts at DMN. Some posts about Jerry needing to go are peppered in. At most they tell Roy to “shut up and play.”
I wouldn't worry about TO much longer because if
Shefter and Glazer are right he will be cut sometime before or after the NFL Combine……
Sweet!
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 31, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
Here's my theory
The half of the media personally hates T.O. for his arogance and total disregard for them. The other half are on the radio and need to fill some controversial air-time. What is more controversial than T.O.? He’s right after a Peter Rose/HoF debate.
Then, Simpleton Sam gets in his Ford Taurus to go home from work and gets his head filled with T.O. hate and makes his judgment. He’s also the same guy that sees me at the grocery store with my DC hat and says, “betcha caint wait to get rid of TO.”
Of course, there are a few highly intelligent people here that are just wrong about T.O.
Good times.
""I really dig Hannibal. Hannibal had real guts. He rode elephants into Cartilage." -Tyson
Well, the team cancer term applied to him by his past relationships with coaches and teammates
may just be becoming a reality. Just because he speaks up, other “Simpleton Sams” create their own firestorm. Maybe not T.O.‘s fault, but he’s always gonna shoulder some of the blame while he’s here.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 31, 2009 6:16 PM CST up reply actions
The playbook of the NFL is on tape......
for every OC to poach the plays that work. (and perhaps don’t work)….There is no reason to believe that the plays are not in the playbook. The selection of plays against the defense that is offered is the measure of the OC….not to mention getting the players to perform the plays as they are drawn up. Perhaps the measure of the OC that is most important is his ability to effect performance. The coordination of OL, QB and receivers must ALL work. There seems to be plenty that need fixing in all these areas. I think this is where the OC either makes it or he doesn’t. Addressing performance is as much the OC"s job as play calling and that’s where JG is suspect. It all begins in practice. If there is lack of performance in practice, it is going to be there on game day…Where are you Tex? It’s like going going to Cabo….
RW2 sounds like he's ready to take over #1
…In the complaints and excuses dept.
He comes off as totally unaware that he’s part of the problem. After blaming Garrett and Romo for not getting him more touches (even though he knew the entire playbook cover to cover in 2 weeks and had no trouble running on an injured foot) he also throws the rest of the team and coaching staff under the bus by saying how much harder the Lions practices were.
Then comes this statement
During the interview, Williams said that the Cowboys needed to shut up and play at some point.
OK, well I guess that point has not yet arrived for RW2.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
and he made contradictory points from one interveiw to the next
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 31, 2009 6:22 PM CST up reply actions
With T.O. getting all the neg pub
it seems that it has opened up the flood gates for the rest of these guys. They all got thinking, “Man, this offense blows for us WRs this year”. Besides, the 49er and first Eagles game, I thought the same thing.
This bad taste CAN NOT be in training camp next year. It’s almost getting annoying to be a fan of the team anymore. Maybe I’ll just pay attention to things on Sundays. Everything in between is just disheartening.
ROMOCOP!
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 31, 2009 11:17 AM CST reply actions
coaches, players, gm
It seems that Wade’s coaching style has rubbed off on everybody, the coaches the players. Everybody is just clowning around in practice. His easy, loose style might have worked the first year because everybody was “walking on eggshells” with Bill Parcells, and the change relaxed the players (maybe too much) but in one year’s time all accountabilty has been lost. How do you change that? The head coach needs to change all that. Can Wade?
Also, there has been much talk of Dan Reeves being hired as a consultant. Now, Jerry will never give up his GM title, but do you think Reeves could come in as a GM consultant and have a big say in final decisions? Could he be a good GM? I think Jerry needs help.
by beautifultyrant on Jan 31, 2009 11:45 AM CST reply actions
Is there a fine for playing without a helmet?
Cuz now we have 2 wide receivers who may be better at catching passes with their mouths than their hands.
That's where Romo should be aiming!
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 31, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
Jerry did say
that he was going to “take himself to the woodshed as well”. We can only hope that he means change like maybe bring in some outside help.
What is this woodshed that everybody talks about?
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 31, 2009 6:23 PM CST up reply actions
it's an old expression
that my grandparents used to say. Used to people would take their kids to a woodshed and give them a spanking for doing something. I suppose Jerry means that he going to discipline everyone including himself?
i might be in the minority here...
but i agree with everything roy said.
one thing everyone has talked about this offseason is accountability from the top to the bottom. that includes coaches.
another thing people are saying is “keep it in the clubhouse” … please, this is professional sports. the media is in the locker room just as much as the players. as far as im concerned, “keep your mouth shut” is a naive request of a pro athlete.
more so, when they DID keep it in the clubhouse… the “behind closed doors” meetings got aired out on ESPN for 2 weeks as a “rift between receivers and the OC”. kind of a lose-lose situation.
i dont doubt that there is a lot “kept in the clubhouse” … i just think its ridiculous for people to genuinely get angry at players for speaking to the media (and discussing issues we’re all well aware of).
one last comment. i told a few of the homies this the other day while playing madden. “RW is unstoppable on the slant… i need to get Garrett’s number”
funny that RW had a similar comment. but the point is very valid … and has been mentioned in this thread of comments. the OCs job is the get the talent into position to make plays. this includes more than the skill positions, it includes the line as well (its hard to make plays when romo has a jaw full of field-turf).
JG consistently failed at this in 2008…. im willing to give it another shot in 2009, though.
What if the talent couldn't get in position to make the play
for instance, running a sloppy route, or failing to get separation thus requiring the QB to hold the ball longer for you to open up. Why would you agree with everything RW said, when he blamed everyone but himself? Is it really possible that everyone was screwed up except him?
I'm sure
he ran sloppy routes from time to time when he noticed that he wasn’t going to get the ball either way. There was many times while watching that I saw RW open. QB just didn’t look his way. I also remember one game, don’t remember which, when he got a pass for a first down and got in JG’s face. I liked that :)
Roy was not open very often
It might have been the foot, but he didnt run good routes or get separation fromm DBs. And gettting in JG face after making one catch was childish and unneccesary
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 31, 2009 6:26 PM CST up reply actions
It is 50/50
Because Garrett could not consistently gameplan to their individual strengths, the WRs may have taken plays off. It’d be nice if they would have featured a different guy each game to confuse the next opponent.
Shoulda, woulda, coulda.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 31, 2009 6:32 PM CST up reply actions
If that is the case
then I think at this point that you need to either get rid of JG or get somebody to help himReeves) You have to put your foot down and say that Media talk will not be tolerated no matter who you are.You can’t have WR’s running their mouths off to the media. I know I will make some Romo people mad but I will include him in this as well. He can’t keep yapping his mouth either, throwing your coordinator under the bus.
I'm with ya.
They’re all under the bus, IMHO. It’s too bad, because guys like PacMan really needed support and his situation just drowned under all the other hype.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 31, 2009 6:44 PM CST up reply actions
That's why I'm becoming
an AZ Cardinal fan. I love Kurt Warner with his leadership qualities. Never hear anything bad out of his mouth. Fitzgerald etc.
The more I think about it
the more I believe that Sparano must have been the disciplinarian on offense as well. From what I read, he didn’t take anything off of anybody but they respected him. On defense, I don’t know who it was. I’m just beginning to think that maybe JG is not strong enough to deal with these multiple prima-donna personalities. He let’s Romo, TO, and everyone else run over him. Of course, Wade is really to blame as well. Like I said earlier, maybe Reeves is the one to bring in.
Troy Aikman noticed RW running sloppy routes in the Philly game . . .
and the ball came his way—allowing Asante Samuel to jump the route and almost intercept the ball. Professionals don’t run good routes only if they think the ball is coming to them. Stop apologizing for these, how did Mel Renfro put it, “spoiled rotten kids”.
+1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 31, 2009 6:26 PM CST up reply actions
+2
There is no excuse for sloppy routes.
In the NFL most of the time you throw the ball to where the WR is going to be – the QB has to trust that he is going to be where he is supposed to be or the QB looks like an idiot, when in fact its the WR’s fault.
"Where's Woody? - We need another Darren Woodson
Sterling Sharped noticed the same about T.O.
against….Pittsburgh, I think.
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by Aaron Novinger on Jan 31, 2009 6:33 PM CST up reply actions
#1
Why does everyone think that they have to talk with the media? I thought Roy was supposed to be a team player?
I would say his lack of production should exclude him
from taking part in any media dicussions. He should be learning the playbook or maybe even how to run a route.How about calling Romo up and saying"Why don’t we work on some timing and rythym passes?" How about trying to earn that 45mil? All I hear from RW2 is Detroit this and Detroit that. Be a leader, take an active roll in the offense.Get the skill players together and talk about how to improve this season and stop waiting for Garrett to get you some plays.Lastly, Be a good teammate and don’t fan the flames. These flames don’t need anymore fuel.USE YOUR HEAD Roy.
Agreed
Until this group learns to shut up and work together they will not amount to anything. It’s like Bruce Bowen (Spurs) said, “they don’t seem to know how to work together as "a team”. My other favorite team is the Spurs because they know what REAL TEAM is like. One for all and all for one. Popovich doesn’t just bring in “talented” players. He makes sure they buy into his team concept. Guys that you want to fight in the trenches with.
As a Laker fan
the Spurs are the one team I’ve never wanted to face in the playoffs. You compare rosters, there’s no comparison. But a real team is always a tough out.
If our Boys would row the boat in the same direction they’d be unstoppable. A few on this site have said the only team they are afraid of is the Cowboys and I agree.
Well he did say that he was going to be a leader
and try to get others working harder in practise
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 31, 2009 6:27 PM CST up reply actions
Bob Hayes inducted into 2009 HOF class!!!!!!!!!!!
Congrats Bullet Bob!
Finally some good news we can all be proud of.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
Awesome!
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 31, 2009 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
Seriously?
“I feel like I’m a pretty good receiver. I can catch a slant and turn it into a 20-yard gain or something, but I didn’t run a slant this past season until the Philly game.”
Well I guess when he started running slants we got even worse so lets go back to the drawing board
RW2 OPEN
I was at the 2nd Giants game, saw RW2 single covered and beating his man, and not even getting a glance his way, I saw the frustration on his face at the time and wondered when he would start complaining publicly. Dont give me this bs about Aikman said this and that, have Irvin commentate the same game and you get the WR perspective of things. I dont buy Aikmans comments, and I tend to believe my own eyes whether RW2 was getting open or not, you guys can blast him, but he has a point.
So is that on JG or Romo?
I was at the Ravens game and saw the same thing. Only when the Cowboys fell behind did they play with some urgency. The only play that Romo would even throw to Roy was some little 3 or 4 yd play.
I don't know about the other game
and I’m not an expert enough to tell the difference but at the Ravens game Romo would “seemingly” not look for Roy-just TO. Aikman knows a lot more than me for sure. So who’s to blame Romo for not following his reads or JG?
+1 TONY
I’ve seen them all open on several occasions…not buying the jibberish..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 2, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
Hmm, "all open on several occasions"
and who designed the scheme and called the plays that had them open?
However
Do I feel this is the right route to go about his frustrations, NO! Do I feel this team will be great next year, NO! These guys need to stop acting like individuals, and if the 0-16 Lions practice harder than our team, fellas we are in some trouble. Maybe, camp cupcake and marshmellow, are not getting it done, maybe, we do need a hard nose guy to quit messing with these primadonnas and make them act like men.
I believe he was open some.
I think before he hurt his foot or got frustrated he wasnt getting the looks. Some of that was play calling(he was 3rd or 4th option) Some Romo, and Im sure, some him(giving up on routes or sloppy).
One of the reason I think TO needs to go is we need no agenda on play calling. Trying to keep someone happy or a certain number throws or just a fear iff he doesnt get the ball he will become disruptive is no way for a QB to play. TO can still play but that little bit he has lost has cost him his ability to be disruptive.
Frankly, they are "just a bunch of spoiled rotten kids"
I mean everybody, Romo,TO,Crayton,Roy. The only one that I wouldn’t include is Witten. These all remind me of my children blaming everybody else for not producing-Just shut up and play the game What I don’t know is the play calling that bad or are they so immature to accept responsibility for failure?

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