Where's The Beef? 2009's Crop of Defensive Tackle Prospects
The consensus opinion among Cowboy fans and league “experts” is that the Cowboys defense needs to add a run-stuffing, space-eating nose tackle to a defense that ranked 12th against the run in 2008. While perusing this year’s list of draft eligible defensive tackles, it becomes quickly evident that this year’s class of cloggers is a bit short on heft. There are just not a ton of 3-4 style defensive tackles in this draft. Of the top 40 prospects at the position, only four tip the scales at more than 315 lbs. Of course, not every 3-4 nose tackle has to be a 350 lb. monster. Jason Ferguson has held the position down for quite some time at about 305 lbs. Good strength and balance, coupled with superb technique can compensate for a lack of overwhelming size.
One common misconception about Wade Phillips’ defense is that the nose tackle is not asked to two-gap. Every 3-4 nose tackle has to control a center and man two gaps from time to time, it’s just that Wade’s NT’s are asked to do so less than others. A Wade Phillips defense is geared more toward shooting gaps and getting penetration; this is why a 298-pound, lightning quick Jay Ratliff can excel in this scheme. Still, you can’t scheme your nose tackle out of being double teamed. It seems that Ratliff would greatly benefit from having a wide-bodied partner who would allow him to slide outside on rushing downs.
The first thing you need to know about the 2009 class of defensive tackles is that (say it with me) B.J. Raji is gone. Forget about him, get him out of your head. Save the "if we still had or 1st round pick" talk, it wouldn't matter, he is gone, gone, gone. A shallow class of run-stuffers and a stellar week of Senior Bowl practice have allowed Raji to skyrocket up everyone's draft board. Save for a full-blown combine disaster, Raji will be snapped up in the first ten selections. Raji has in fact been so impressive, rotoworld.com is reporting that he may be among the Lions' considerations with their first overall selection.
Nose tackle may be a primary need for the Cowboys, but they can not go into this draft married to the idea of grabbing one with the 51st pick. The value simply may not be there. The second tier cloggers have a history of sliding, (see Gabe Watson, and Alan Branch) so there is a chance that Raji's linemate Ron Brace could fall to the Cowboys in the second round. If not, the Cowboys may have to take a long hard look at Clemson's Dorell Scott in the third, or take a late round flyer on a small school guy like Stillman's Sammie Lee Hill. With that said, we are still early in the process, and draft positioning will change dramatically after the combine.
I wouldn't consider any site to be the bible on player evaluations, but in all my years of being a draft junkie, draftcountdown.com has been one of the more reliable sites. Their projections always turn out to be pretty accurate. Here is a list of this year's top defensive tackle prospects, in the eyes of the draftcountdown.com staff.
1. B.J. Raji, Boston College- 6-1, 323
2. Peria Jerry, Ole Miss- 6-2. 290
3. Evander Hood, Missouri- 6-4, 295
4. Sen'Derrick Marks, Auburn- 6-2, 296
5. Ron Brace, Boston College- 6-3, 324
Nose tackle, or defensive tackle in general has been a tough position to project in recent history. The last decade has been full of underachieving first rounders, and second day pleasant surprises. Still, a few players have played up to the level of their draft status. Here are some of the game's best nose tackles (3-4 and 4-3 alike) along with their respective draft positions.
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Jason Ferguson, 7th round, 229th overall (1997) |
Albert Haynesworth, 1st round, 15th overall (2002) |
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Jamal Williams, (corrected) 2nd round supp. (1998) |
Shaun Rogers, 2nd round, 61st overall (2001) |
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Kris Jenkins, 2nd round, 44th overall (2001) |
Kevin Williams, 1st round, 9th overall (2003) |
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Vince Wilfork, 1st round, 21st overall (2004) |
Haloti Ngata, 1st round, 12th overall (2006) |
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Casey Hampton, 1st round, 19th overall (2001) |
Maake Kemoeatu, Undrafted (2002) |
Also, a few high picks who have not exactly panned out:
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Ryan Pickett, 1st round, 29th overall (2001) |
DeWayne Robertson, 1st round, 4th overall (2003) |
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Jonathan Sullivan, 1st round, 6th overall (2003) |
Jimmy Kennedy, 1st round, 12th overall (2003) |
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Junior Siavii, 2nd round, 36th overall (2004) |
Alan Branch, 2nd round, 33rd overall (2007) |
As you can see, it has been a bit of a mixed bag as far as drafting nose tackles in recent history. And with a thin class of draftees, the Cowboys may have to venture beyond all conventional thinking to plug this hole. Is Magnus Ver Magnusson busy? Can't we just re-sign Marcus Spears, and hook him up with a platinum Golden Corral pass? Honestly, tell me that dude ain't the second coming of Gilbert Brown waiting to happen.
In all seriousness, nose tackle is a legitimate need for the Dallas Cowboys. The list of two-gapping free agents-to-be leaves a lot to be desired, and the draft class is skimpy. The Cowboys may have to settle for another slightly undersized penetrator who can at least give Ratliff an occasional breather. If there is not a nose to be had who can free up Ratliff to play some end, the defense could still benefit from always having a fresh body in the middle. However the front office chooses to address this need, the decision will go a long way in determining whether or not a defense that showed flashes of greatness can take the next step forward.
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This is the guy I'll be touting on draft day:
Terrance Knighton out of Temple. Some of the draft sites have his weight wrong. It is actually 324 at 6’3 according to the weigh in at Texas vs. Nation.
Some others:
Myron Pryor out of Kentucky
Chris Baker out of Hampton (Penn state transfer) (He can play both DE and NT in a 3-4)
Louis Ellis out of Shaw (Miss State transfer I believe)
Terrance Taylor out of Michigan
Roy Miller out of Texas may also be an NT
But like I said, Terrance Knighton is a guy I will have my eye on, as well as Sammie Lee Hill.
by quincyyyyy on Jan 31, 2009 8:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The 'others' I listed don't break into the 320's though
but they are stout and powerful.
by quincyyyyy on Jan 31, 2009 8:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pear-shaped DT?
With his ballooning, post-contract physique… and with a few more months of buffets to hit before the end of the off-season, maybe the Cowboys can slide Romo inside. We already know he’s bigger than Zach Thomas and catching Ratliff isn’t out of the question. Then again Tony hates contact. DT and QB have to be the two biggest off-season priorities.
by Montecito Tex on Jan 31, 2009 8:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
classic Tex
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 31, 2009 9:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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by silverblue5 on Jan 31, 2009 10:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What teams do you think will be looking for a 3-4 DT in the first 2 rounds of the draft?
Probably the Broncos and possible the Packers, any other teams?
by hiafex on Jan 31, 2009 8:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ugh, not good
I was hoping Brace would fall to us but with 4 teams needing DT’s, I can’t imagine that he would fall to pick 51.
Is there a list that shows all of the players who have been invited to the combine?
by hiafex on Jan 31, 2009 9:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
4 isn't too bad.
It’s not like NT is the only need on those teams, they won’t be reaching to get one. I think Brace is at least a 60/40 possibility of being there when we pick.
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by BigDinSC on Feb 1, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not so familiar with other teams rosters
But I think with Rat we have the flexibility to get a small school mid round guy to develop like Hill or Knighton.
by quincyyyyy on Jan 31, 2009 8:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1 later round guys are better value at NT
4th round or later
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 1, 2009 12:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hang on there
Jamal Williams was not undrafted. He was taken in the 2nd round of a supplemental draft.
by Rafael Vela on Jan 31, 2009 8:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I thought that sounded funny.
But everything I saw kept saying undrafted.
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 31, 2009 10:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Supposedly Jerry doesn't like the two-gap defenses
BP didn’t run the two-gap either. Haynseworth is a FA. Said he would love to play for the Cowboys. I’m pretty sure he’s not an option considering he wants J. Allen money and the upcoming Ware contract.
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by cmr3 on Jan 31, 2009 11:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well we could cut
Henry, Roy, Brad Johnson, and Zach Thomas. That will probably come to around 6 million in extra cap space.
And remember we are extending no resigning Ware. Big difference. That means if we extend him five years with 30 million guaranteed (Allen got 31), Ware would only cost an additional 5 million against the cap.
So it’s conceivable to sign Haynesworth. I think if Jerry really wanted to sign him he could find a way.
by quincyyyyy on Feb 1, 2009 12:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
btw....cutting Roy and Brad would free up over 8 million....Zack is a FA,
add Ellis and Henry, and it free’s up another 12 million…..so yeah…we can afford any player out there..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 1, 2009 12:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Isnt Brad's contract up anyway?
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 1, 2009 1:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But remember if you cut RW1 all that money is counted against the cap next year
by dallasfansince75 on Feb 1, 2009 8:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok well firstly
When you cut someone the left over guaranteed money get’s accelerated to this year. In Roy Williams case the guaranteed money that is left over is less than the per year prorated bonus + his salary, which would net us 2.2 million against the cap when we cut him.
Specifically he would count 6.6 against the cap this year if we don’t cut him, but would count 4.4 against the cap if we do.
by quincyyyyy on Feb 1, 2009 8:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No Way
Can we get Haynesworth, he wants to be the highest paid defensive player, and Ware contract is already going to be around that unless he gives us a HUGE discount, which I doubt.
by nicholas.rodriguez on Jan 31, 2009 11:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for a post that has nothing to do with
WP, JJ, TO and TR
by cow_fanatic on Feb 1, 2009 8:25 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I tried
but I’d bet my next paycheck it head’s that way eventually.
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 1, 2009 8:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and I get sucked in every time
I’ll take some blame for it.
Based on needs that I see with my own eyes, our 2nd round pick needs to be either one of the above-mentioned tackles or the safety, then it’s based on best available unless an ILB drops that should have been taken late 1st or early 2nd. And I’ll be honest, I need someone to do the homework for me with DTs because I spend most of my time on WRs for the draft. Studying interior linemen just doesn’t do it for me. Thanks again
by cow_fanatic on Feb 1, 2009 8:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Shaun Rogers is a beast
I cringed each time he fell on Romo in the first game.
by ym on Feb 1, 2009 9:38 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
They made a good point on the Lunch Break last week
that veterans’ trade value goes way down on draft day. If Dallas can not get a NT on the 1st day, then perhaps they could package some picks for someone who can contribute next (much like Cleveland did) and then take another guy late, in hopes of finding another Ratliff or Fergie.
Barry Cofield (NYG), Fred Evans (Minn), Ahtyba Rubin (Cle) are some names that perhaps could be had for 2nd day picks if Dallas drafts high at the position.
I think they need to get 2 new DTs this year, unless somehow Tank stays around.
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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 1, 2009 9:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Or we could just sign Haynesworth
to play DE or NT
by quincyyyyy on Feb 1, 2009 10:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great post Glory
It highlights how hard it is to find a NT who actually fits our scheme. Without a 1st round pick it’s even harder. It seems every year there’s like one or two guys who would fit for us and they’re never there when we have the chance to draft them and we get stuck with the Montavious’ of the world.Usually Virginia has a big wide body coming out in the draft but even they’ve disappointed me this year. They’ve only got a 265 lb. DT coming out.
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by kameleon_o on Feb 1, 2009 11:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Where's Willie Blade when you need him?
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 1, 2009 11:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I forgot about him
Third round pick, three stints with Dallas. Ugly.
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 1, 2009 12:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone else see
Ron Brace running 60 yards down field to make a TD saving tackle at the senior bowl? I think if that guy isnt gone when we pick at 51 we should nab him. If we think he is going to be gone, it would not be out of the question to move up into the early part of the second round to get him.
My only question is did he improve his stock enough to make it into the late first? Will he shoot up charts even further with a good combine?
by Impatient on Feb 1, 2009 12:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
There seems to be a lot of Brace fans out there
I’ve seen him play a couple of times before and I was not overly impressed. The guy is just fat (not well built like Raji is), he just seems to get by on the fact that he is so big. He won’t be able to do that in the NFL.
Let me point something out to you guys:
A.J. Hawk is to Bobby Carpenter as
Mario Williams is to Manny Lawson as
B.J. Raji is to Ron Brace
Could some please explain what all the fuss is about?
I would rather have 6’3 325 Terrance Knighton, although he played at Temple he put up relatively big numbers for three consecutive years and is built better than Brace. Knighton also knows how to knock down passes with 4 PD’s last year; Ron Brace had zero.
by quincyyyyy on Feb 1, 2009 12:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
And I'm not saying he won't be a solid starting player
I’m just saying he is not as good as you guys are making him out to be. I would be fine if we used a 3rd rounder on him, but nothing more. He is a pure space eating player and is pretty one-dimensional.
by quincyyyyy on Feb 1, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no its not
we need a NT that is not a fat @$$, and just takes up space. We need someone who can put pressure on the QB.
by quincyyyyy on Feb 1, 2009 6:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We have one of those
His name is Ratliff. We need a space eater to go along with him and let our LBs run free.
by hiafex on Feb 1, 2009 7:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would like one that does both
I’m just not that high on Brace. The fact he has had only 27 tackles two years in a row is somewhat telling.
by quincyyyyy on Feb 1, 2009 7:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How many tackles did the LB core behind him have
Compared to other LB cores?
by hiafex on Feb 1, 2009 7:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Raji had 42 last year, and the year before when Raji was injured
Brace still only had 27. That’s not bad, but I’m not going to draft someone in the second round who only had OK production and is one dimensional.
If we took him in the 3rd round I would be fine with that, but I think he is really a 4th rounder, but he’ll inevitably go higher than he should because a 3-4 team will reach for him rather that drafting a small school project player that will probably be just as good or even better.
by quincyyyyy on Feb 1, 2009 7:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That one dimension is what you look for in a 3-4 DT
So I wouldn’t mind drafting him in the 2nd round.
by hiafex on Feb 1, 2009 7:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Does a pro team that runs a 3-4
have to draft a player that played in a 3-4 in college? I assume that helps, but can’t always be done. Can a 4-3 defensive tackle make the transition to a 3-4 nose tackle. It would help if they were big enough. What kind of defense did Auburn play while Ratliff was there. For that matter, what defense was LSU when Spears was there?
by DavidH22 on Feb 1, 2009 1:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
both were 4-3 defenses at the time
canty came from a 3-4 though
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 1, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Canty played in Al Groh's 3-4 out of Virginia
Groh was one of Parcell’s disciples. That’s why I always take a look at their guys coming out.
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by kameleon_o on Feb 1, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No reaching to pick a Nose (pun intended)
I’m with others here that there’s no need to reach for this position. It is a high priority but at least Dallas has their starter already. If they have the right make-up, lower round picks and FA’s can play this position, especially since our guy wouldn’t have to get plugged in this year.
by StillHateTheGiants on Feb 2, 2009 7:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

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