#11 Just telling it like it is, Garrett sucks.
Another Cowboy WR speaks his mind about the offense and not getting the ball. What could be the reason? It could be that Roy feels sorry for us always debating T.O. If this is the case Roy, thank you. I am going to guess that he had a different motive, maybe he has pride. Pride in performing well, and more importantly pride in winning. Nobody should question that. I watched every postgame interview with him. His comments and demeanor were the same in every loss and the same in every victory. He wants to win. He is a life-long Cowboy fan. He said that he loved the higher expectations of winning in Dallas. He wants to practice harder but felt that he looked stupid busting his butt in practice. He said that the freaking Lions practiced harder! That’s the worst team in NFL history. Roy’s criticism from many people will be that he’s doesn’t run great routes. I don’t think Roy has admitted this, but he’s not a great route runner. He’s not a horrible route runner, though. He does run the slant very well and he also has awesome hands with good speed. He’ll be fine here in Dallas, eventually, but what did he intend to do with these comments? He is trying to be the leader everyone wants. He’s not vocal, but he will lead by example.
Bottom line is that Roy should not be labeled as a bad attitude, bust. The players should not be blamed as much as the coaches. I would assume most people agree with this but when an interview like this comes out, the players are called whiners. Roy had the worst year of his career by yards, receptions, and TD’s. The most glaring shortcoming this year for Roy is his lack of a single catch of 40 yards! That is a team not using him correctly. He had 13, 40+ yard catches in his previous 4 years but in this year ZERO. Also, in his previous 4 years he had 52, 20+ yard catches. This year 6, and 4 of those were in 5 games with the Lions. I think that Tony Romo will eventually answer most doubts, although he played carelessly this year. I think T.O.’s positives outweighs any negative. The most important variable? Garrett must go. We can’t waste another year. Amazing how far JG has fallen.
In a related story: I also heard Jamie Dukes from the NFL Network say that BP had a very big and lasting impact on JJ. He said that JJ is now committed to always run an aggressive 3-4 D; thus, the hiring of Wade as the HC. Aggressive, is the key word. Not just a base 3-4. Now, JJ is left without an available DC to run the D he wants. Dukes also said that Glanville was JJ first phone call, even before Wade and Norv. If this is the case and Dukes is correct. That would make sense for keeping Wade and the DC position vacant until he can talk Wade into taking the DC position. That’s probably wishful thinking, but what other aggressive 3-4 coaches are out there now that Ryan was hired by the Jets?
No more band-aids. No more consultants. Fire Wade as the HC and fire JG as the OC.
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He sounded like anything but a leader
He sounded like he was doing these interviews to answer criticism he received in the press. I think he’s too thin skinned.
Is this the behavior of a leader?
He wants to practice harder but felt that he looked stupid busting his butt in practice
A true leader wouldn’t care if teammates wondered why he was practicing harder then them. A real leader would have kept it up and encouraged others to push themselves.
There’s no denying he’s got talent, but insulting the play calling of your OC after half a season on the team, in public, is a pretty bad way to affect change. Then throwing the rest of the coaching staff under the bus by publicly stating that an 0-16 team practiced a lot harder is equally bad.
If he wants to be a leader on his new team, then he should lead by example like you said, and keep his opinions in house.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
+1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 31, 2009 9:05 PM CST up reply actions
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by silverblue5 on Jan 31, 2009 10:19 PM CST up reply actions
I guess you need to listen to the interview
He was saying that in Detroit on every running play the WR’s kept blocking on running plays. He did that in Dallas until the other WR’s asked why he was doing that. They didn’t practice hard. That is what he is saying.
""I really dig Hannibal. Hannibal had real guts. He rode elephants into Cartilage." -Tyson
Yeah he say other players not training hard
and decided he didnt need to either. Those are not the actions of a leader.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 31, 2009 10:38 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe not in Australia
But in the U.S. you can be president.
""I really dig Hannibal. Hannibal had real guts. He rode elephants into Cartilage." -Tyson
I listened, unfortunately
I went from hoping that RW2 could become our featured WR when TO left, to worrying that RW2 is already whining to the media about problems that should be addressed inside Valley Ranch. He needs to shut up and get it done on the field before he even thinks about trying to call out his coaches.
Honestly, why did he feel it was necessary to tell that story. He disrespected his teammates and coaches to make himself look better in the public’s view. Pretty much the polar opposite of leadership.
I hope this is not what we can expect from RW2 going forward.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
What has Roy Williams ever done to earn the benefit of a doubt in an argument?
His OC gave up on him in Detroit and said he had poor work habits.
He comes to Dallas, does nothing, complains, according to you,
He wants to practice harder but felt that he looked stupid busting his butt in practice.
You may call that a leader. I call that a finger-pointing, blame deflecting child.
In other words, Detroit redux.
If you want to hitch your pony to this phony, you’re welcome to him.
What has Roy Williams ever done to earn the benefit of a doubt in an argument?
Umm, he’s good.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
"AMMIITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHH!!!"
Raf
Dude, I really do respect your opinion. I just don’t get your stance here. I think you had him slotted before he got here.
""I really dig Hannibal. Hannibal had real guts. He rode elephants into Cartilage." -Tyson
My stance is simple
I think Roy Williams has talent. A lot of it.
But I also think it far less certain that he’ll respond than Jason Garrett. People were knocking Roy before he became a pro. Let’s not forget that Michael Irvin himself said "something is missing’ in Williams game the day he was drafted. And then you see he became a whiner in Det., especially when Calvin Johnson came in, and he’s up to the same political games he was playing in ‘07 after just half a season in Dallas, well, I find that a lot more worrisome than Jason Garrett’s dropoff last year.
People may have said Garrett was predictable, but nobody has ever said he wasn’t smart and nobody has ever questioned his work ethic.
The only person I’ve seen praise Roy Williams’ work ethic is Roy Williams.
by Rafael Vela on Jan 31, 2009 10:38 PM CST up reply actions
+1
From what I have heard he was notorious in Detroit for having a poor work ethic.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 31, 2009 10:39 PM CST up reply actions
I also heard Romo has a poor work ethic. What a coincidence.
""I really dig Hannibal. Hannibal had real guts. He rode elephants into Cartilage." -Tyson
?
I never said Romo was a great leader either. But Roy said he was.
Bringing Romo up seems irrelevant.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 31, 2009 11:23 PM CST up reply actions
On your point about
He had 13, 40+ yard catches in his previous 4 years but in this year ZERO
And from that deciding we werent using him properly is faulty logic. That is an average of just over 3 a year. When you consider he was with Detroit half the year and had BJ under centre for half his season here, it is not that surprising he didnt have any big plays. Come up with better stats if you want to argue getting rid of JG.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
what would be a bad stat for JG?
9-7?, 8-8?
Does it even exist?
What do Chicago, Houston, Tenn., Minn., Balt., and TB all have in common? Dallas’s offense didn’t outscore any of them, and their QB’s are less talented than ours. Well, most people think so.
""I really dig Hannibal. Hannibal had real guts. He rode elephants into Cartilage." -Tyson
Jason Garrett also has a 13-3 on his ledger and a top 3 offense
Convenient for you to forget it exists.
by Rafael Vela on Jan 31, 2009 10:18 PM CST up reply actions
last year
Quincy Carter was also 10-6 one year
""I really dig Hannibal. Hannibal had real guts. He rode elephants into Cartilage." -Tyson
LOL
So, Roy Williams has one very good year, and four so-so ones, and you’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.
Jason Garrett has one very good year and one so-so one, and you’re ready to damn him for all eternity.
Explain that one?
by Rafael Vela on Jan 31, 2009 10:23 PM CST up reply actions
Don't know about damning him
but when a number of people in the league say that his play calling is too simple and that the league has caught up to him, you have to wonder.
Also, Roy’s only played 5 years. 4 good years. You could count is pro ball in Austin.
""I really dig Hannibal. Hannibal had real guts. He rode elephants into Cartilage." -Tyson
No, you're ready to throw him out after one so-so year
But you’re taking the word of a guy who averaged 4 yards a reception in December?
Who has one exception year, three so-so ones (a 1000 yard receiving season isn’t
any thing special in today’s NFL) and a downright awful 2008.
Again, you’re being awfully, awfully kind to Roy. How do I know you’re not him?
by Rafael Vela on Jan 31, 2009 10:31 PM CST up reply actions
Alright, you got me
Hook ‘em horns!
No, really. Raf, he played in Detroit. Also, I tried to state in my post above that he does have his weaknesses. I do think he is a top 15 WR in this league. I also think his Detroit “problem” is because he wanted out of Detroit. He loves Dallas. He will NEVER ask for a trade from this team. This has been his dream since high school.
By the way, he was open a lot this year ,but Romo didn’t get him the ball, but I really don’t want to turn this into a Romo debate thread.
""I really dig Hannibal. Hannibal had real guts. He rode elephants into Cartilage." -Tyson
"He loves Dallas. He will NEVER ask for a trade from this team."
No he wont ask for a trade, hell just continue bad mouthing his coaches and complaining about how he is used. It doesnt sound like he has alot of respect for the Star to me. And no he did not get open alot this year, I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and attribute that to his foot, but he doesnt deserve the benefit of the doubt here.
BTW, JG’s offense in 2007: 3rd in the league in yards, 13th in 2008. Thats one above average season and one great season. Better than Roy has done in his four years in the NFL.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 31, 2009 10:46 PM CST up reply actions
He did get open a lot last year
All the WR’s did. Not quite sure which game you watched this year.
Again, this is not about Roy vs. Garrett. This about everyone, except Wade vs. Garrett.
""I really dig Hannibal. Hannibal had real guts. He rode elephants into Cartilage." -Tyson
-1
Its hardly everyone against Garrett. How about Aikman, he critised Roy and is a big fan of JG. I guess you didnt mention him because you dont like making objective arguments, just complaining about Garrett.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 31, 2009 11:25 PM CST up reply actions
Aikman likes JG?
No way! Everything that I don’t mention is because I don’t like objective arguments?
Let me save you the 2 key strokes-
-1
"Another thing that freaks me out is time. Time is like a book. You have a beginning, a middle and an end. It's just a cycle." -Tyson
Aikman on Garrett
Now, Jason was my backup in Dallas and remains one of my best friends today. I know that makes me biased. But you won’t have to look far to find front office types who are thinking of Jason as head coach material. And soon.
He’s definitely on the fast track. The extent of his coaching resume: quarterbacks coach in Miami for two years and now this season in Dallas. But he grew up in a coaching family and spent 12 years in the league as a player. He didn’t get on the field much, but he soaked up everything he could while sitting in meetings with Norv Turner and Ernie Zampese (Cowboys), Sean Payton (Giants) and Jon Gruden (Bucs)…He’s brilliant
So yeah Aikman has a very high opinion of Garrett
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 1, 2009 1:38 AM CST up reply actions
unfortunately several GM's felt differently..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 1, 2009 3:41 AM CST up reply actions
But he still got the interveiws
which is better than many co-ordinators in the league
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 1, 2009 3:54 AM CST up reply actions
he better hope for a huge turn around in the offense next year then...
cuz that interview window is closing real fast..
His competition next season…
Cowder
Holmgren
Shanahan
Gruden
Haley
Grimm
etc. etc. etc.
good luck….make or break year for JG next season for sure…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 1, 2009 4:10 AM CST up reply actions
I was being sarcastic
Aikman being critical of Garrett is like Aikman being critical of Norv.
"Another thing that freaks me out is time. Time is like a book. You have a beginning, a middle and an end. It's just a cycle." -Tyson
Does this sound like another WR on the Cowboys Aussie?
hell just continue bad mouthing his coaches and complaining about how he is used. It doesnt sound like he has alot of respect for the Star to me. And no he did not get open alot this year
And you want to keep T.O. with this description of Roy WIlliams?
Sparano had much to do with that....'08 was Garrett's true measuring stick...
We’ll see if ‘09 is closer to ’07 or ’08…..i’m thinking the latter..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 31, 2009 11:38 PM CST up reply actions
You dont know who did what last year but spout off that rheteric like you were in the locker room.
One was in charge of passing game and one was in charge of running game. You dont know who made the calls on any given play or drive.
We ran Sparanos offense the whole time BP(its BP offense) was in town and most of the bloggers complain about not opening the offense up. Many said we were conservative, needed to open it up. Now Sprano leaves you think he is a genius(you use him as your measuring stick). Lets see what Sprano does with a tougher schedule and a healthy Brady.
OK...we can both agree that nobody knows who did what in '07, let's just call the '07 season a wash as to who was responsible for the production.
Even though Sparano’s offense was also top tier offensively, In fact, The 2006 season Dallas was ranked 4th in the NFL in points scored, and 5th in offensive yardage.
OK, supposedly Garrett was brought in and you could imagine he would be guided by an experienced OC that had been in place already for a few years. Garrett was supposedly going to implement more of his passing philosophy into an already successful offensive unit.
Oh, BTW, Did I happen to mention Sparano’s 4th ranked offensive was with an aging and ailing Marco Rivera at RG, Julius Jones and Oliver Hoyte as our starting back field, as well as statuesque Drew Bledsoe starting 6 of the games, nearly half the season ??
OK, So back to the arrival of Jason Garrett, Does anybody realize we only passed the ball 25 more times in ’07 ?? Can we really pin the increase in production to 25 added passing plays ? More passes means our rushing attempts per game went from 12th to 21st in the NFL which puts more burden on the D to stay on the field longer. Or can we actually argue that signing of Pro Bowl RG Bigg Davis had something to do with the increased offensive production ?? How bout the arguement that Romo starting all 16 games being a reasoning for the increase in offensive production ??
Let’s see how Garrett does on his own, without the help of Sparano, and we’ll sprinkle in the loss of Kosier, and a few games without Romo…..
OK, with arguably a much better backfield, TE corp, WR corp, and O line than the previous season, JG’s led offense went from 3rd in total offensive yardage to 13th, and even worse than that is going from 2nd in the NFL in scoring to 18th in the league…from 28.4 points per game, to 21.8 points per game…an astonishing 6.6 points per game, nearly a TD less per game. How can that happen ?? We lost a marginal RB in JJones, but pick up two better backs in FJones and Choice, yet we score a TD less per game in ‘08 ?? We lose a marginal OG in Kosier, and the entire O goes down the tubes ?? Or was it something different this year from ’07 ???….Yeah….Sparano wasn’t here…That’s the difference that mattered…..
What did Sparano do in Miami with a team coming off a 1-15 season ?? well, He plucked a cast aside marginal QB (Pennington) off waivers , and made him the #2 rated QB in the league. He also guided an OLINE made up from names like Smiley, Satele, Carey, Ndukwe, and a rook named Long. A who’s who of overacheivers at WR in Cammerillo, a FA bust in Wilfork, a draft day reach in Ginn, and two rookie free agents in Bess and London….Toss in our own cast off in Fasano, and you have an offense that out produced Garrett’s run Cowboys offense. Sparano’s Miami offense had more yardage per game and per play than us, more first downs per game than us, better 4th down percentage, better time of possession, better TO/ ratio, which of course meant less turnovers, less fumbles, less int’s, less penalties……hmmmm….interesting how a guy can come in and make such a difference to a team….I’m just wondering when Garrett is going to make a difference…..It just might not be here…as some here contend that Garrett has a 3rd rated O on his resume’…..or does he take credit for the real mastermind that was behind that ‘07 season ???….I delivered the numbers….I imagine i’ll hear some form of rebuttal…you sure aren’t going to change my thoughts of Garrett…..so save it…numbers don’t lie……Sparano left, and we lost nearly a TD a game when he did….facts are facts….bs is bs…
Just one more tidbit…You mention everyone here wanted to open up the O, be more creative…ok….your right..I was all for opening up the O, and being more creative…
.So tell me,
Who opened up the play book, and was more creative THIS year ?…Sparano, or Garrett ? …..ummmm…Wildcat anyone ?
The guy started a friggin trend, he worked with the personel he had, he improvised, and created ways to get the ball in the hands of his best playmakers ? sound familiar, maybe you heard all of our playmakers suggesting the same things ?….
Garrett needs to get with the times…He’s living in the mid 90’s, still holding his chaulk board, and trying to ressurect Don Air Coryell ghosts…..get with it Carrot Top…..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 3, 2009 3:35 AM CST up reply actions
You say he's not a bust
but then follow it with he had his worst year in receptions, yards and touchdowns. So when you evaluate him , what other criteria do you use ? His paycheckDo I like the way he dresses?? After 10 games he had 19 catches, not one play of 40 yards or more and 2 touchdowns for the low,low price of first round and third round pick in the draft and was made the second highest paid reciever in the NFL. The other part of your argument is"he was not used correctly" and how’s that?? If Owens dictates double coverage then an accomplished reciever should be able to get open on single coverage wouldn’t you think?? This is where route running comes in because if you can’t run the designed route then you are NOT open and therefore NO HELP TO ANYONE. So, RW2 needs to shut-up and try harder and learn something because that’s what he is so highly paid to do not run his mouth. He’s done nothing in Dallas to earn the right to complain yet but with everything he’s cost them they have a right to complain about him. It won’t take very long to see if he’s better or not in his second season with Dallas.Lastly, he needs to check the symbol on his helmet because there lies a star and I for one am sick of every time he opens his mouth he’s talking about the Lions. Learn some geography and you’’ll find out that you’re not in Michigan anymore Dorothy.
Here's what I don't understand
He was hurt in December. I saw some video of him from the Eagles game and he had a horrible limp. Had he said he was hurt and hoped things will be better than he heals, I would have thought better of him. But he’s trying to get his OC fired. Or is he already trying to get traded to another team? Cause this is the same crap he pulled on Mike Martz in Detroit, saying he wasn’t being used properly.
Two OCs who have Super Bowl rings. At least one of them should shove them in Roy’s face and explain to him that he doesn’t have the faintest notion of how to win one.
by Rafael Vela on Jan 31, 2009 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
Jason Garrett's Ring
Has absolutely nothing to do with play calling. If you want to tie that to leadership and knowing what a Super Bowl team is, then have at it. But JG’s ring for holding a clipboard is pointless.
""I really dig Hannibal. Hannibal had real guts. He rode elephants into Cartilage." -Tyson
Again
Jason Garrett has a top three offense on his resume.
I’ll take him over Roy Williams any time, even if he fails going forward. He’s not ripping his players in the press. But a lot of them who didn’t hold up their ends of the bargain seem in an awful hurry to bitch to any mediot who will listen how bad he is.
by Rafael Vela on Jan 31, 2009 10:22 PM CST up reply actions
It's not Garrett vs. Roy
It’s Garrett vs. Romo, the WR’s, and NFL analysts. If this was one player, like he did in Det. , that would be different
""I really dig Hannibal. Hannibal had real guts. He rode elephants into Cartilage." -Tyson
-1
Romo is hardly against Garret and neither are all the NFL analysists. And Troy Aikman critised Roy, something that you again failed to mention, I assume because it doesnt help your argument.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 31, 2009 10:49 PM CST up reply actions
Was my argument that Roy is Jerry Rice?
Did you hear Romo’s post game PC after Philly? Roy said Troy was right. Wow, dude. You’re not going to be happy until Roy gets cut and Garrett gets an extention in the offseason.
Are you sure your not Jason Garrett?
""I really dig Hannibal. Hannibal had real guts. He rode elephants into Cartilage." -Tyson
Well for one I dont wont Roy to get cut, I just dont want Garrett to be.
If you want to talk about who is making unreasonable claims look at your post above
Again, this is not about Roy vs. Garrett. This about everyone, except Wade vs. Garrett.
So obviously that is completely wrong. And Roy didnt say Troy was right, he said something along the lines of “Im not mad at Aikman for talking about something he knows nothing about”.
And again I never said Roy should be Rice. Thats the second time you have tried to counter one of my aarguments by bringing in a player who is irrelevant to the discussion.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 31, 2009 11:29 PM CST up reply actions
What is your argument?
Also, please insert [top 5 WR] in place of the word Rice, if that is acceptable to you.
"Another thing that freaks me out is time. Time is like a book. You have a beginning, a middle and an end. It's just a cycle." -Tyson
I think you over value how Roy played last year
And disagree with your thoughts regarding the firing of Garrett. I dont think that saying he didnt use Roy well is an argument for cutting him, when Roy didnt really play well and its more on him than Garrett. You previously said Roy was a top 15 WR, and I dont think thats true right now.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 1, 2009 1:42 AM CST up reply actions
No
he is still our second best WR, and when he gets healthy could be very good. Besides his contract doesnt allow us to cut him at least for a while. All I said was that he wasnt playing very well last year, not that we should cut him
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 1, 2009 3:58 AM CST up reply actions
oh...but everyone else is looking to get rid of the underperforming malcontents , i thought ?
I think every player that spoke to the media and had a less than standard year should be cut, don’t you ?
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 1, 2009 4:06 AM CST up reply actions
Well if you look at any of my other posts you will see that I dont
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 2, 2009 2:42 AM CST up reply actions
I said he had the worst year of his career
Does that sound like I am over valueing his play last year? This was really supposed to be less about Roy and more about the coaching. If you want to defend Garrett until your blue in the face then have at it. Nobody should compare a players track record to a players. Players play and coaches coach. Players do what the coaches say. If they are dropping balls or missing assignments, then that’s the players fault. If the coach is telling the player to run routes that don’t benefit the offense, that’s the OC’s fault. If there is no discipline in practice or on the team, that is HC’s fault.
"Another thing that freaks me out is time. Time is like a book. You have a beginning, a middle and an end. It's just a cycle." -Tyson
dude...don't you realize i'm the President of the Garrett Haters Club..lol
your preaching to the chior my friend…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 3, 2009 3:36 AM CST up reply actions
There is also the fact that Dallas signed him to a contract once he arrived that was more then he is worth. And he repays this act by throwing his employer under the bus to the national media. I hope that he turns out to be half of what he have invested in him, but so far his tenure with the Cowboys has gotten off to a very bad start.
by Beuerleincouldhavebeenbetterthentroy on Jan 31, 2009 10:10 PM CST reply actions
+1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 31, 2009 10:49 PM CST up reply actions
And when I saw the title of this post I thought to myself what in the world is Danny White doing now?
by Beuerleincouldhavebeenbetterthentroy on Jan 31, 2009 10:11 PM CST reply actions
In my opinion
We should slow down and give both the benefit of the doubt THIS YEAR. No one will say that Kitna is as good as Romo so lets let Roy have a training camp with him so Romo knows his speed and when to look for him. And about Garrett it is his 2nd year calling plays and last year he was deemed a “Genius”, maybe a down year is the perfect thing for him to get back to his former play calling self. Another thing on Garrett, this will be his fifth year coaching period. He is still pretty new at coaching and he could be something real special.
by nicholas.rodriguez on Jan 31, 2009 11:20 PM CST reply actions
+1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 31, 2009 11:29 PM CST up reply actions
my main concern is
since everyone keeps yapping TO,Roy,Romo can they still work with Garrett?: In other words can thet get past all that’s been said? I don’t know
Romo isnt really an issue I dont think
He made a little comment that got blown out of proportion
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 1, 2009 1:42 AM CST up reply actions
I would love nothing more
than to see JG succeed at OC, then take over at HC. After watching last year, that seems suspect.
"Another thing that freaks me out is time. Time is like a book. You have a beginning, a middle and an end. It's just a cycle." -Tyson
Thank you
A voice of reason. Here’s hoping Roy and JG both improve. Neither had a good season this year, but both have loads of untapped potential.
by the red scare on Feb 1, 2009 1:29 AM CST up reply actions
agreed
hopefully both will improve their performance next year.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 1, 2009 1:43 AM CST up reply actions
I really think it is intersting that
not one person has defended Wade as the HC. While most everyone defends Garrett as the OC with everything they got. Garrett is the untouchable.
"Another thing that freaks me out is time. Time is like a book. You have a beginning, a middle and an end. It's just a cycle." -Tyson
it's because Wade
is so easy to attack. No one really knows Jason Garrett. All we know is that Troy really likes him and says how great he is. Went to Princeton-real smart-insider because he was Troy’s backup during the glory days etc. H e was offered multiple jobs and so we assume he must be worth keeping or Jerry wouldn’t be throwing 3mil at him right? That’s just my take
Id agree with those points
Also, Wade has been in the NFL for many years and has never had great success as a HC. JG in his much shorter tenure has already had one of the best seasons in franchise history. Wade has never had that much success with a team he is coaching.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 1, 2009 1:45 AM CST up reply actions
he was 13-3 last year....Give the man his due..
and 22 victories in two seasons ranks him #1 in Dallas coaching history after two seasons…yeah, Wade the Head Coach…Garretts coaching record 0-0
ACTIVE Head Coaches with at least 5 years of experience:
regular season winning percentage:
1) Belichick – .616%
2) Reid – .610%
3) Phillips- .588%
past Cowboy notables:
Parcells- .570%
Johnson- .556%
Wow,
I was not aware of those numbers
IF YOU'RE LOOKIN FOR ME...I'M AT THE SCRIP CLUB WITH PACMAN......AND WE'RE BEING REBELLION!!
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 1, 2009 8:31 AM CST up reply actions
me either
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 2, 2009 2:43 AM CST up reply actions
Yes but…
Wade has a history of progressively getting worse with each team he had a prior head coaching stint with and he has an 0-4 record in the post season (0-5 if you count the Eagles game this year as a playoff game).
In this day and age a lot of teams jump from 9-7 to 13-3; i.e. the Seahawks made this jump in ’05, The Bears made it in ’06, The Cowboys in ’07 and the Titans made that jump this year. Someone else will do it again next year. None of those teams won a Super Bowl and all of them (assuming the Titans fall back to earth next year) dropped right back to 9-7 or worse the very next year and never found their way back again.
The truly great coaches get progressively better with each season… not worse.
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
btw...Teams have generally improved in the first few years that Wade has taken over...
He never exactly took over for playoff ready teams, and he turned them into playoff teams…so he hasn’t won a SB, or a playoff game for that matter….getting close doesn’t count anyways…example Jeff Fisher….arguably considered the best coach in football….yet no SB…
Marty Schottenheimer has practically the same regular season winning percentage of Belichick .613 to .616, and 200 victories, 62 more than Belichick, in his 21 years as HC, yet no SB appearances. Bud Grant has a lifetime .622 winning percentage in 18 years as HC, yet no SB victories….Look like two possible hall of famers to me..I have a feeling if Wade is given a few more years he’ll get that playoff win, and more than likely a SB victory…Wade needs to take control, and I hope he succeeds here in Dallas. He’s got one more try to do so….It’s up to the offense to get Wade in position to win…I am pretty sure the D will be greatly improved in ’09..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 3, 2009 4:09 AM CST up reply actions
I’ve said this before but here it goes again…
Over the past two seasons in the months of December and January, the Cowboys offense has averaged an anemic 15.5 points per game. That’s nearly 10 points down from their overall 24 points per game average. This is a clear indicator to me that d-coordinators are figuring out Garrett’s offenses as the season moves along and that he is not making any counter-adjustments. I need to see more from the guy before I become a believer. I certainly think that someone like Shanahan would have a field day designing and calling players for this offense.
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
dude...forget Shanny....I get a woody every time i think "If i was only the OC"
This offense should put up nothing less than 30 points per game, without question or doubt……..please…these guys haven’t degressed….the coaching was really just that poor….Sparano leaves, we pick up a pro bowler in WR-RW2, two top flight rookie RB’s, and a Talented TE, to go along with a healthy FB, and our offensive production goes DOWN 6.8 points per game ?????
Who else can you possibly blame besides the damn coach running the ship ?? all the players got worse ??…I think not…
- your dead on with your post about the second half swoons…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 3, 2009 3:46 AM CST up reply actions
In retrospect I'm starting to feel
that maybe RW2 is a follower, not a leader. As soon as it became fashionable to throw Garrett under the bus he fell in line lock-step with the rest of the receiver corp of similar ilk. What this team does not need it now has plenty of, and that’s receivers whose mouths are bigger than their hands.
Having said that, on the Roy Williams front, I think this guy is used to making plays using his superior size with little effort in separation from the cornerback . He may appear to be covered but he’s used to the throw coming anyway and muscles his way to the ball. I don’t think Romo got used to that this year. I don’t think Garrett got used to it either. Therefore I propose we stop all this nonsense about firing everyone but the waterboy and starting over from scratch and let’s see what kind of performance we can get this upcoming season. The team will have another training camp, intact, under its belt, the offseason workouts, the re dedication efforts of coaches and hopefully some decent draft picks/free agents. Now is not the time, when we’re arguably pretty close, to blow this team up.
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