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Safety Envy

What makes for a deep playoff run? 

Quality QB -- yep.

Solid pass rush -- sure.

Play making safety or two?  Now you're talking.

Watching the first round I'm impressed by the safety talent on the winners. Baltimore's Ed Reed made the previously  flawless Chad Pennington look like a chump today. 

Brian Dawkins has been a blue chipper for a decade.  And his partner Quentin Mikel had a better year, according to K.C. Joyner.  They kept the Vikings from getting any big passing plays.  Late in the broadcast, Troy Aikman quoted Philly DC Jim Johnson, who said his safeties give him the confidence to play so aggressively with his front seven.

Pittsburgh has Troy Polamalu.  The Titans have Michael Griffin, he with seven INTs this year.  The Cardinals have the unsung Adrian Wilson anchoring their secondary.

Playmaking safeties have become as important as big pass rushers and solid left tackles.

It's hardly news, but the Cowboys' cupboard was almost bare at this position this year.  The Ravens loss offered this contrast:  Reed picked off two Romo bombs;  both Dallas safeties whiffed on both of the Ravens' two long, late TD runs that sealed the game.  More on this subject this week.

A safety with range, tackling skills and good instincts is a must, if the defense wants to build on its league-leading rush. 

Back to your playoff viewing.

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What's going to happen with RW? Is Hamlin enough?

I think we NEED a SS next year. Will we keep RW or lose him?

by torchindefenses on Jan 4, 2009 7:22 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I Hope We Lose Him

He’s very slow to react in pass coverage (“and there goes Donnie Avery…touchdown Rams”) and has poor fundamentals tackling in run support. He used to get by with highlight reel kill shots, but now he looks timid most of the time. He’s just a shell of his former self, and spends more time finger pointing than playing hard. Not my idea of a team leader.

There’s the issue of who will replace him, but we simply will have to draft a safety this year. I’m a strong advocate of drafting the best player available, but the gaping hold at safety desperately needs filling.

by kindablue on Jan 4, 2009 7:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Thong will be gone after June 1st

three years too late as far as I’m concerned.

Keep Henry for on more season and move him to safety, draft a safety, NT,ILB, G, Wr,Qb,Olb/DE

by Deke on Jan 4, 2009 7:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

cut RW1

draft a safety
and attempt moving Henry to FS and Hamlin to SS

Superbowl or Bust?

by MrMinority on Jan 4, 2009 7:28 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

SS, DT and Offensive Line

Who are we going to let go? Tank, Pacman, Proctor, Pat McQ, Brad Johnson and Bobby Carpenter? What could we get for them? T.O. isn’t going anywhere, at least until 2010. If we had a really good SS, a run stopping DT and a few offensive line men (just pulling them out of thin air) this team could be the team we think it is.

by torchindefenses on Jan 4, 2009 7:29 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Cuts

Tank, yeah, I’d say so;
Pacman, maybe, but I think so;
Proctor, yes, if they find a replacement. Probably won’t cut him till camp, though, until they know
they have his replacement on the roster.
McQ, probably. but see Proctor.
Carpenter? Why? He’s under contract. Zack is gone. Burnett may be too. You just gonna clean
out the ILB position bring in Bradie and a bunch of question marks?

 

by Rafael Vela on Jan 4, 2009 8:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I just heard

DeSeasn Jackson said after Sharper went out they went after his back-up and have success. So safety play is important.

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 5, 2009 1:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

he was talking about the team not himself.

D. McNabb throwing for 300 yards

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 5, 2009 7:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

didn't Baltimore break two long runs

When our safeties missed their tackles?

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 5, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

safeties are the last line defense

They absolutely have to make those tackles…no excuses.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 6, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1 Terry....that was pathetic..

I’m actually quite afraid of Hamlin moving to SS, and I really don’t think much of his play at FS either…..we’re sure stuck with him for a while though……I’m starting to lean at needing a SS, as opposed to moving Hamlin closer to the line….he was exposed…

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by BoyzRback on Jan 7, 2009 11:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Rafael, you should check out..

My posts in “Things to build on” about what we should have done about safety in this past draft. I don’t buy the theory that “well, Williams was gonna play” and “we also have Watkins” or " Hamlin just signed a big contract" because the play of our safeties has been horrible since Woodson left. The only Safety that inspired me this year was Keith Davis. he has heart, desire, and is by definition a “football player”.

I really wanted us to do something about safety in this past draft. My suggestion was to find the biggest, most physical CB and see if he had experience and talent to convert to SS, and I picked Charles Godfrey. The Cowboys even brought him in to look at him, but as a CB. They did not go after him. I suggest you look at how he plays when you watch Carolina next week, because that is exactly what Carolina did with him- they switched him from CB to safety.

Why can’t our coaches think like that? It is the position we are weak at on Defense. I hope a talented veteran SS becomes available, and we draft some young talent, because what we have now (and what we’ve had since Woody) isn’t going to make the grade.

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by DallasPalace on Jan 4, 2009 7:35 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

What exactly did Dallas do wrong?

You can’t fill every hole. They entered the draft knowing they had incredible age at CB, with Henry and Newman being 30 or over. They did not have Pacman and needed to put young CBs in the pipeline.

They had one RB on their roster and he was looking for a new contract.

They hit big with Jenkins and Scandrick and Jones and Choice. They went straight off their board. They took Bennett over Godfrey but you must understand. Bennett was rated in the top 30. Godfrey was not. I’m sure Bennett was the highest rated player on their board when they picked at 61.

And he looks like he could be a player.

Yeah it sucks that they could not fill every hole but they filled their two most critical needs and got a great value pick in their estimation. They appear to be right, though it’s early.

They need to do this again. OL is a priority and I’m sure S is the other one.

by Rafael Vela on Jan 4, 2009 8:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

You can’t argue with last year’s draft – at least not at this point (who knows how they develop going forward…it’s still to early to be absolutely sure). The last thing I want Jerry to start doing is targeting positions and picking players 2 or 3 rounds too early…those were not good days. It seems like he’s been very good at following the draft board and he should continue.

by Bos54 on Jan 4, 2009 8:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They did nothing wrong

all I am saying Raphael is, we all knew Safety was weak. We thought one would possibly be drafted. I am not dissatisfied with the draft- are you kidding me- I am very happy. But, how many years in a row are we going to be weak at safety, and ignore it. I was hoping in this past draft we would go after Kenny Phillips. If a veteran SS or FS becomes available (at a good price, or reasonable) then we should act, as well as draft a talented one.

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by DallasPalace on Jan 4, 2009 8:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

but I’d be very surprised to see them go hog wild in free agency. They’ve made a ton of FA signings in recent years:

Hamlin,
Davis
T.O.
Colombo, is a delayed FA signing
Kosier
Henry
Roy E. who got a huge extension after the trade
Terry Glenn before his injury

Not to mention the huge deals they just gave their own guys in the last three years:
Roy Williams
Newman
James
Ratliff
Romo
Adams
Gurode
Barber
Witten

Maybe a small deal to replace Zach Thomas’ but how many more deals are they going to hand out? They had to extend some veterans last year, which tells me the well is going to dry up soon. Especially when they have to re-up Demarcus Ware.

You may see some bigger vet deals cut — Thong. Canty might not be brought back. Pacman and Tank may not come back, who knows.

by Rafael Vela on Jan 4, 2009 8:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Henry

Henry would probably be an upgrade for us at safety, but I am not sure he is a strong enough tackler to be reliable.

by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 4, 2009 7:48 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

+5

Henry cannot stay healthy at corner where he has to make far less plays against the run.

I give henry 3 – 4 games at safety and he will be out due to the pounding.

This may sound crazy but until I see Williams playing with the same the defense I saw the last 7 games this year I will not write him off.

With all the problems the defense had maybe Williams wasn’t the problem everytime a receiver got deep.

I’m tired of everyone saying a safety is a high need and requires a high pick. With the work the scouting dept did last year I am sure they can find a safety in this year’s draft.

by oneforthethumb on Jan 4, 2009 9:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

3 or 4 games?

try 3 or 4 series in the first game, or even training camp. I don’t know why he’s thought of as the answer at FS.

by Joey2zs on Jan 4, 2009 10:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Is Hamlin a pro bowl calibre safety?

which year was fluke – last year or this year? Last year the talk in this blog was what a difference it made to the defense to have a real safety. Did he just play out of his mind or can Hamlin be the kind of safety you’re talking about, Raf?

I’ve always been a big fan of moving Henry to safety – especially now that we have two rookies that look to be able to step-up. I have to imagine that if we can cut TO and save cap room that it’s possible to cut RW1 and not take a huge cap hit at this point in his contract, no? There’s no guarantee that a rookie can come in and be any better (especially since we don’t have a first round pick) and it doesn’t sound like Jerry is going to spend big $ in FA. Henry may be the only definite upgrade in the short-term.

by Bos54 on Jan 4, 2009 8:07 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hamlin has been up and down

great years or bad ones.

As for Henry, he may buy you time, but he’s going to be 33 next year. He’s entering the last year of his contract.

He’s a band aid. He’s not the answer at safety.

by Rafael Vela on Jan 4, 2009 8:16 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Henry and Roy Williams are done.

I say these 2 get released as i don’t see them helping this team at all next year.
The stupid Jerry jones trade of Roy the reciever is going to make us overpay for a safety
in free agency as we gave up too many picks.I’ve tried to make sense of this trade and i just cannot see any positives.Does anyone know the free agent class for safeties this year?

by biz is winning on Jan 4, 2009 8:41 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Uh, biz

How does a trade for a WR have anything to do with signing a SS in free agency?

I’m not crazy about the deal, but Dallas does need a WR. They decided to trade for a veteran rather than draft one. Had Dallas not gotten REW, what’s the cry?

T.O. is old. Dallas has Patrick Crayton and Miles Austin. They need to draft a WR!

How does this mean “Dallas is going to overpay for a S in free agency.” They still have Roy Thong Williams under contract. I don’t think they’re getting a FA safety.

by Rafael Vela on Jan 4, 2009 8:44 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

We could of maybe used that first round pick to draft a safety.

Instead we have an unhappy reciever becuase he’s not getting thrown to and we still need a safety beacuse in my opinion Roy williams the safety is just about done playing football.A safety that cannot cover a tight end much less a reciever these days in the nfl has no business playing in the secondary.
He"s also lost his tackling skills as he wants to paralyze everyone he wants to tackle and ends up missing tackles.

by biz is winning on Jan 4, 2009 9:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm hoping that...

Anthony Henry, with a full training camp, can make a difference at free safety. That, or either they start trying Mike Jenkins at the position. He was a HS all-american safety.
Hamlin should be changed to SS.

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by DallasPalace on Jan 4, 2009 8:48 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Anthny Henry is done!

Mike Jenkins did show he can play in the nfl and i believe he will see more action next year.Anthony Henry has not played well since his first year here.He and Thong need to go as they’re playing days are coming to a close especially Roy.

by biz is winning on Jan 4, 2009 9:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thong?

I’ve missed something, haven’t I?

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by Nelson... on Jan 4, 2009 8:48 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Roy Williams = the Thong

He barely covers anything.

by Rafael Vela on Jan 4, 2009 8:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ROFL!

Come and whisper in my ear, give us dirty laundry - ESPN

by Nelson... on Jan 4, 2009 9:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Newman came up with it

In an interview last year. Newman just does not know how to talk to the press.

by ym on Jan 4, 2009 10:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately, he's not the only one.

This whole teams needs a crash course in PR.

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by Nelson... on Jan 4, 2009 10:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

also

31 lsort of ooks like a thong sideways, think about it.

by SB2008 on Jan 4, 2009 11:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And to think we took Roy like 16 picks before Ed Reed went off the board.

I thought the difference was clear then, Ed Reed was making all of these same type of plays in college.

Cris Carter....you're dead to me.

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 4, 2009 9:07 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Where was Horton

from the Skins picked in the draft?

The draft dept does their homework and they will get us a safety.

As for RW2. Look at our drafts with WR’s. Sherrard/Harper/Williams/Smith ( might have been thebest and he was not a first or second round pick). W epick Wr’s as well as we pick DE’s.

RW2 is better than anyone we woul dhave drafted this year.

Other teams pick up safties and WR’s in the 3rd round and they are keepers.

by oneforthethumb on Jan 4, 2009 9:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Depends

Sherrard, 16th overall, was a monster his rookie year.
He broke his leg Joe Thiesmann style in his 2nd camp and was never the same.

Irvin — 11th overall, HOFer.

Harper — 12th overall. Very good 2nd WR

Jimmy Smith — high 2nd rounder;

Alex Wright was Jimmy’s high bust.

Dallas has been very good at picking WRs high. But they have not taken a WR high since Kevin Smith in ’93.

by Rafael Vela on Jan 4, 2009 9:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They drafted Antonio Bryant in second round in 2002

and he didn’t pan out too well, did he? Oh wait…83 catches for 1270 yards and 7 TDs this year. Never mind…

by DavidH22 on Jan 4, 2009 9:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The past 10 years have not been good for drafting safeties

Izell Reese, Tony Dixon (2nd round), maybe Pete Hunter, and Roy Williams….ah but remember Juston Beriault in 2005? Kid looked promising during that pre-season but then suffered a career-ending injury.

Dang, I thought Pat Watkins was going to be at least…competent. His first two years were decent enough. Four interceptions, a forced fumble, long fumble recovery, a blocked FG for TD. But I guess he never recovered from that Philly game. Plus apparently his tackling form was not only ineffective but dangerous. I blame Bobby Bowden.

by DavidH22 on Jan 4, 2009 10:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The dismal situation at Safety

makes me think of better days. This franchise has been blessed over the years with quality safeties. Starting with Mike Gaechter, Mel Renfro, Cornell Green, and of course the All-Time Tandem of Charlie Waters and Cliff Harris, all the way through Michael Downs and James Washington to Woodson, there have always been playmakers back in the secondary. But now? Eh, not so much.

Geez, at this point George Teague and Roy Horton sound pretty damned good.

by DavidH22 on Jan 4, 2009 9:07 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Everett

Thomas Everett put some teeth in that 1992-93 secondary.

Teague was competent and made the occasional big play, which sounds pretty juicy about now.

by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 4, 2009 9:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Cowboys are a really good safety away

from having an eilte defense. It was so obvious to me that was their huge achilles heel defensively this season.

Hamlin is decent but the rest are simply garbage, just ST guys at best.

This position absolutely has to improve if the team is going to improve.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 4, 2009 10:04 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

It has been

their Achilles heel for more than just this season. New Orleans showed every decent and not so decent offense in the league 4 years ago how to beat our defense. We have not stopped the bleeding yet.

by GunsUp on Jan 4, 2009 10:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Safety needed

I didn’t think much about the need for safeties until after seeing how much of a game changer Polamalu and Reed were this season. Reed was incredible today.
What about the Giants? Do they have any noteworthy safeties?

by ym on Jan 4, 2009 10:10 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Giant fan here

First post on BTB.

We used our first round pick on Kenny Phillips – who we all hope will turn out to be a prototypical UMiami safety like Reed and Taylor. He showed a lot of promise this year; good coverage skills; sure tackler in space – but he seemed to hit a bit of a rookie wall later in the year. He also wasn’t as big a ballhawk as I hoped he’d be. But we Giant fans still have very high hopes for him.

Unfortunately, our other safeties – Butler and Johnson – are average at best. I’m hoping that Reese uses one of our three Day 1 day picks to shore up that position with another stud to play alongside Phillips. I was hoping to nab Kam Chancellor with one of our two second rounders but he just announced that he would be returning to VA Tech for his senior season.

But I totally agree with Raf here. Safety is rapidly becoming the new “must have” position for any team that wants to have long term success – right up there after QB, LT and DE.

by knickfan on Jan 4, 2009 10:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What happened to Gibril Wilson?

He had an awesome year about three or four seasons ago and looked like a real find and then – poof!

The Giants let him go to, (drumroll please) the Raiders!

One organization is smart, the other, eh, not so much.

by Rafael Vela on Jan 5, 2009 12:23 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

6 years, $39 million

is what happened to Gibril.

When he became eligible for free agency after last season, Al Davis basically made him an offer to become one of the highest paid safeties in the game. He was good; just not that good. Matching the Raiders’ offer threatened to throw the team’s whole salary grid out of whack and we would have wound up having to way overpay for far more valuable players.

Having said that, we have missed him this year. Our overall safety play has suffered as a result of his absence. The good news for us is we figure to get a third-fourth round compensatory pick for him in the upcoming draft.

by knickfan on Jan 5, 2009 12:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Was

that a Borat line. Cause if you meant that, kudos.

by ProudYankee on Jan 5, 2009 2:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Reed

When he closed on that pick like a rocket today, I couldn’t help but wonder when the last time I saw that aggressive a pick from our secondary – I guess it was Prime Time.

Dawkins is past his best, but man is he around the ball often – in a good way.

by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 4, 2009 10:39 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Dawkins is a punk

who is a master of the cheap shot. I saw at least two plays today against Minny where he dove into the pile, helmet first, after the play was over. The first one of those dazed Peterson and sent him to the sidelines for a few plays.

Yes, he’s a talented safety but he’s also a dirty, dirty player.

by knickfan on Jan 4, 2009 10:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dawkins is a dirty player

He leads helmet first. He did it at least twice today. He knocked Peterson out that way.

by ym on Jan 4, 2009 10:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

OLD SCHOOL SAFETY

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 4, 2009 11:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of Drafting a Safety

Any chance we might have a shot at Patrick Chung of Oregon? I’m starting to look at mock drafts already!!!

by ButchJohnson on Jan 4, 2009 10:54 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Draft

As for SS I like Kevin Ellison of USC & Michael Hamlin OF Clemson (even though he said he will stay at Clemson for his senior year). Nic Harris of Oklahoma is also in the mix but I have heard some folks say he may be a better LB – might want to stay away from a Safety from OU! I have seen Chung play but like Ellison the best.

by tyler2 on Jan 4, 2009 11:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

William Moore

of Missouri is another safety I’ve been keeping an eye on. Once considered a possible first rounder, his stock has dropped a bit and could well be around in the middle of the second round when the Cowboys and Giants (with the pick from the Saints in the Shockey deal) are on the clock.

by knickfan on Jan 5, 2009 12:17 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Will Moore will be drafted first round.....top 20

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by BoyzRback on Jan 5, 2009 6:17 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hamlin is a senior...

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by BoyzRback on Jan 5, 2009 6:16 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank god for Kevin Ellison

Did you see that P.O.S. get in Brad Childress’ face after the punt return? What a complete garbage human being. He has taken the cake for my least favorite player in the league and ironically, he fits in perfectly in Philadelphia.

by AikmanNailedMySis on Jan 5, 2009 7:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I like Chung too

He is the best hawk of the top prospects

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by Terry on Jan 5, 2009 7:18 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Mays and Moore are the best Safeties........

Chung might just be the best of what we might be left to choose from…

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by BoyzRback on Jan 7, 2009 11:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

that hit would have gotten him 15 yards and 25,000 fine in the NFL..

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by BoyzRback on Jan 5, 2009 6:19 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

If you're talking about the hit on D. Jackson...

Looks perfectly legit to me — Ellison looks to have led with his hands. In fact, Ellison could have come in with his shoulder, and it would still have been okay. Maybe that would have knocked some of the punk off Desean’s punk-ass.

In-YOUR-endo

by accidental innuendo on Jan 5, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not ready

just yet to give up on RW38. he was a pretty damn good playmaker his first couple of seasons. Maybe he could move to FS with Hamlin going to SS.

by IronCowboy on Jan 5, 2009 10:51 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

really? you want thong playing more coverage? beh

Don't believe everything you think.

Your causes are cute!!!

by stoproyce on Jan 5, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What?

Williams weakness is coverage. You want to move him out in space where he has MORE coverage responsibility?

Wow, I’m nearly speechless.

by Rafael Vela on Jan 5, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

he hasn't been a playaker for three years now

don’t let the door hit you in the rear end Roy……you pretty much stole that last contract, another example where Jerry loves a player and can’t seperate himself and see what everyone else does…..bye bye Roy

by Deke on Jan 5, 2009 11:20 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And he's got a thin skin

that business about he’s found God so his critics can go pound sand was the most offensive thing I’ve read from a Cowboys player, well, maybe ever.

Whiners are bad.
Sanctimonious whiners are worse.
Pious whiners who try to hide behind God are dirt in my book.

by Rafael Vela on Jan 5, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Roy was a hitter

He couldn’t cover, never wrapped up, but he brought the hammer. He lost a step, lost his willingness to inflict damage and then horsec collared by the leauge. Once that went away, he’s just an undersized linemen trying to play DB.

by birdness on Jan 5, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Keith Davis was the worst coverage FS in football

the two years he was back there.

If you put Roy at FS I guarantee he will take Keith’s title.

No thanks. Dallas is trying to get better, not drive more fans onto the ledge.

by Rafael Vela on Jan 5, 2009 11:19 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Roy was a stud with Davis beside him

QBs never challenged Roy when they could exploit Bullets.

by birdness on Jan 5, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Boys need a safety, maybe two

Certainly there are multiple needs, but ast year Jerry drafted two CBs and two RBS worked out okay. I think Taylor Mays and William Moore will go too early for the Boys. Myron Rolle may choose the NFL. Is Kam Chancellor %100 on returning, I thought he wanted to hear his projection. After that they are few more safety prospects (Patrick Chung, Louis Delmas, Michael Hamlin, Courtney Green and Derek Pegues) that could slip to late second, even early third. Lets watch the Senior Bowl, pass around some clips and wait for Combine times before getting too excited about any one player – except Taylor Mays.

by birdness on Jan 5, 2009 11:25 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Safety...

Badley need a safety but guys Henry and Davis have to be kept OFF the field. Both are huge liabilities. Both are lost as a goose most of the time.

by le24 on Jan 5, 2009 11:58 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Your Best Piece Ever Written!

Raf, You couldn’t be more right on. We’ve been crying about this position for 4-5 years!
I don’t care Jerry, Trade up give up picks but for God sakes draft Top 3 Safety. Please!
That’s all I want.

 Please. Please. You Frozen Face MF’er. Please draft a safety.

Romo really does suck. Jerry really needs to hire a GM. Fuck your new stadium Jerry.

by Captain Comeback on Jan 5, 2009 12:21 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Why Top 3

2006 Michael Huff, Donte Whitner and Jason Allen were off the board before the Boys drafted Crapenter
2007 LaRon Landry, Michael Griffin and Brandon Meriweather were gone before Spencer was hired.
2008 Kenny Phillips was there but who do you throw back Jenkins or Jones?

As a GM, I would have drafted Mendenhall and still made the trade for Jenkins, which would still leave my looking for a safety today.

by birdness on Jan 5, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So

you guys are saying you’re not for that experiment? ; ) I know…I guess I’m just sentimental and don’t want to give up on Ol’ Thong, but you’re probably right.

by IronCowboy on Jan 5, 2009 12:59 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Taylor Mays

is the answer, but chances are he is gone by number 10. But tell me if a high pick safety isn’t one of the safest bets around. Taylor, Reed, Polamalu, Landry, and Williams were all high first round picks and all spent time in Hawaii. Is there another position that can say the same? Aside from Williams – and unfortunately Taylor – all of these players are still playing at a high level.

Call me crazy, but would trading Witten and our 2nd rounder for the number #10 pick to get a ball hawking safety for the next ten years be a bad thing?

by alanTdot. on Jan 5, 2009 4:00 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

an extremely bad thing

I can’t even to tell you how dumb that would be…trading a HOF player in his prime for an unknown player….beyond moronic actually.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 5, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

umm

No way..

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 5, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not so crazy

Witten is taking lots of physical abuse – he could be worn out in four years. Bennett and a veteran FA could man the TE spot and we wouldn’t necessarily see a big drop off in production.

If not Witten, Newman.

The risk, of course, is if your draft pick is a bust. #31 was a top ten pick.

by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 5, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would only be interested in trading Newman. Letting go of Romo security blanket is bright.

The rest of his recievers give up on routes, arent where the suppose to be and complain when they dont get attention. Besides we have 2 young good corners.

by squidlo97 on Jan 5, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Just saying

If Witten has two more seasons like he just had, he is going to be very chewed up. In football, some assets depreciate very quickly.

I wouldn’t trade him for a pick, but an established young safety would be worth considering.

Of course, football trades are like hen’s teeth.

by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 5, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Trading Witten is Crazy

He may have a short career as an elite TE because, he blocks, catches over the middle, runs through double teams without a helmet. But what other TE does that? That’s a huge price to pay for an elite prospect.

by birdness on Jan 5, 2009 5:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oops not landry

I dont think he has got to Honalulu

by alanTdot. on Jan 5, 2009 4:01 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Witten is Romos go to guy. When Aikman lost Novacek he wasnt the same and we spent

several years looking for another TE. Im afraid of life without Witten. In fact we need to draft a guy like witten at another position.

by squidlo97 on Jan 5, 2009 4:20 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

You mean...

like at QB?

Hardy har har!

In-YOUR-endo

by accidental innuendo on Jan 5, 2009 5:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Tim Tebow fits that bill...

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by BoyzRback on Jan 7, 2009 11:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

An Early Look at the Safeties in the Draft

I like Sporting News, they tend to not get as fixated on the tangibles (speed, size,etc), but look more at actual performance. This is the safeties in their “Super 99” top picks:

31 Derek Pegues, Miss. St. 5-6 194 4.51
43 Taylor Mays*, USC 6-4 225 4.6
48 Louis Delmas, W. Michigan 5-11 196 4.54
53 Darcel McBath, Tex. Tech 6-0 197 4.51
58 Myron Rolle*, Va. Tech 6-2 218 4.5
60 Kam Chancellor, Va. Tech 6-3 225 4.5
63 William Moore, Missouri 6-0 229 4.51
72 Kevin Ellison, USC 6-0 225 4.66
94 Courtney Greene, Rutgers 6-0 212 4.51

The good news is that the top 7 are all in a good range for our second or even third round pick. SN hasn’t finished all the profiles yet, but one intrigues me: Pegues hopefully will slip due to his size (or lack of it). Has done nothing but make plays his college career – reminds me of Bob Sanders…

by BoyfromOz on Jan 5, 2009 6:34 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

really 5-6 is really short..

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by Wmillion on Jan 5, 2009 6:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They have William Moore ranked 7th on their list of safeties??

That’s quite a bit different than most other sites. He had a down year this season and he’s not the FS type that I would like myself.

by kameleon_o on Jan 5, 2009 7:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

where is Chung?

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 5, 2009 7:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Too Early

Keep that list so we’ll have something to talk about after the Senior Bowl and Combine. Those guys will be in the discussion, but don’t forget:

Patrick Chung
Enamuel Cook
Rashard Johnson
Michael Hamlin
Sean Smith
Nic Harris (The second coming of Roy Williams)

Maybe we should break these guys out by SS and FS

by birdness on Jan 6, 2009 6:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

good list birdness...

I see one of those guys you got listed ending up here in Dallas…

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by BoyzRback on Jan 7, 2009 11:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll admit

I am fan of the Roy Williams trade, but it is wierd thinking about the draft, and we don’t a have a 1st round pick.

I never forget the Stephen jackson trade and how upset I was on draft day, I vowed to never as much time in to the draft as I did that year.

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by Wmillion on Jan 5, 2009 7:42 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Witten Trade

Terry,

I am a big witten fan. But he is not a HOF player. There are only seven TE’s enshrined in the HOF since 1946. Shannon Sharpe, then Tony Gonzo are gonna go in.
But Witten needs six more years like last year to get to Sharpe/Gonzalez numbers to be considered.

I would make the deal. Don’t think we would find a partner tho >>>>

by alanTdot. on Jan 5, 2009 8:21 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

unless he sustains a career ending injury

Witten will be enshrined in the HOF 10-15 years from now…you can take that to the bank.

Trading him would be moronic and I have news for you. Every team in the league would be interested, you’re not going to find many players in the league better than #82

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 5, 2009 8:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

trades for picks .....

actually this got me thinking, which current cowboys could we absolutely trade for a top 5 pick? (Assuming that contracts are agreeable or can be worked out.) Romo and Ware are locks. Any team would trade at least a top 5 for one of those guys. Barber and Witten? anyone else?

by alanTdot. on Jan 5, 2009 10:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Taylor Mays

Those numbers there aren’t accurate. Pete Carroll says Mays is the fastest player on the team. He runs at least a 4.45 at 230lbs and 6’2". He is the next freak athlete safety, like Taylor/ Landry/ Reed/ Polamalu.

Just pipe dreaming here but this kid has all the tools.

Mays was state champ in the 100 and 200 till his senior year when he just played football.

by alanTdot. on Jan 5, 2009 8:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

during the USC vs Penn state game

they said he ran 4.28 at USC

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by Wmillion on Jan 5, 2009 8:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

NO WAY

If he’s that fast, he never displayed it on the field. Not that there’s anything wrong with sub 4.5 speed on a LB body.

by birdness on Jan 6, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He'll run a 4.40 at the combine....watch

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by BoyzRback on Jan 7, 2009 11:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Here's a good read found on www.Draftdaddy.com about Mays......I'm not sold on him...
While Taylor Mays is a great athlete and hard-hitter, we are not sure he’s top 5 material. We think N.F.L. scouts and execs must look at two potential “red flags” before they over draft him: One, while his reported junior day 40 times (4.24 to 4.32) are eye popping for a linebacker-sized safety, U.S.C.‘s track seems to be very fast. Fast to the point where their place kicker ran a 4.49 last spring and their top linebackers ran in the low 4.5’s. While Mays might be as fast as his junior day times indicate, expect N.F.L. execs to really push him hard to run at the Combine, so he can be timed on the same track as his peers. If he’s really a sub 4.3 guy (or close), he should have no problem repeating that in Indy.

Also, and much more importantly, our sources are indicating scouts will try to delve into the reasons why Mays makes very few “big plays”. While many fans in cyberspace have dubbed him the “next Ed Reed”, his stats don’t back that up at all. Mays has collected only one interception (10/06/07 @ Stanford for 0 yards), forced 1 fumble and recorded 2 tackles for loss in the last two seasons combined! Also, Mays never recorded a sack in his 3 years at U.S.C. Now, contrast that to DD.com’s favorite safety prospect, Tennessee star Eric Berry, who has collected 12 interceptions for 487 yards and 3 touchdowns and accumulated 11 tackles for loss (3 sacks) in the last two years. Berry, a true sophomore, will not be draft eligible until the spring of 2010. One last point, Mays lack of big plays the last two years is even more startling to us, when you consider U.S.C.’s very promising, but seldom used freshman safety Drew McAllister, was able to garner 3 picks last season in very limited playing time behind Mays and Kevin Ellison.

Again, we aren’t saying Mays can’t play, but a smart N.F.L. team has to look at why he has made so few “big plays” the last two years. Is this due to U.S.C.’s defensive schemes and how he is used or is he just a good tackler and hard-hitter, but not a Ed Reed or Eric Berry like game changer, who teams want to use a real high pick on?

-http://www.DraftDaddy.com

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by BoyzRback on Jan 9, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Reed and Polamalu...

Are the ONLY good safeties in the league. No one else even comes close.

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by TheHeat on Jan 5, 2009 8:56 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

and Sanders

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 5, 2009 9:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

HOW MANY OFFSEASONS IN A ROW MUST RAF WRITE THIS ANALYSIS???

We are on Year 4 and counting of this position being in the top 3 of our offseason wishlist. Argh. Jerry, listen to Raf! Please! Hamlin was a good signing, but he’s only half of the answer and appeared to regress this year. Roy Williams isn’t the other half (unless we have a way of signing 2004 Roy Williams this offseason). Neither’s Pat Watkins. Neither is Keith Davis. Neither is Tra Battle. End the Darren Woodson Drought!

(I will say that in previous years, like after Parcells’ last season, safety seemed to be THE glaring hole on the team, head and shoulders above the rest, whereas now I think our recent struggles have showed that we’ve actually got a handful of spots that need help, with OL chief among them).

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Jan 5, 2009 9:54 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that really sucks

We thought we had most of the holes filled up and we could just keep taking “best player available” but now we see that Jerry’s All-Stars have more holes than we thought.

by kameleon_o on Jan 5, 2009 9:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Watkins

The worst was when Parcells thought that the rookie Watkins was a viable solution to be the starting FS. Late in the season, he wasn’t even dressing.

by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 5, 2009 11:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Worst

Is that Parcells team had roast beef and Jerry’s had none. I never related the turn around in Miami with the collapse in Dallas.

by birdness on Jan 6, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep, he was exposed in by McNabb/Andy Reid and it was downhill from there

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Jan 7, 2009 9:23 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Also

He seemed to not be able to see the football. Vision can be important.

by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 7, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

True

I watched the kid in college a little. Scouted him pre-draft. Thought we got a steal in the 5th round and was pleasantly surprised that he was working out so good that he was starting as a rookie. Then it all fell apart after the Eagles game

by kameleon_o on Jan 7, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

his frame just didn't hold up..

5th rounder, you will miss, more then you hit.

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by Wmillion on Jan 7, 2009 11:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Safeties

Cowboys safeties were always out of position .

by Snatchandgrab on Jan 8, 2009 3:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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