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How to handle the three headed monster?

Late on a Saturday afternoon last April a good majority of Dallas Cowboys fans let out a collective groan. Jerry Jones and Wade Phillips had the perfect situation drop into their laps: Rashard Mendenhall, who was expected to be drafted much earlier, had fallen into the laps of the Cowboys at pick #22 in the NFL draft. The Cowboys instead opted to go with Arkansas running back Felix Jones, whom Jason Garrett determined would be a much better compliment to Marion Barber. Fans across the nation, myself included, were o.k. with the choice but miffed that a "sure fire" franchise running back had been passed up.

By week three of the 2008 season fans were singing a much different tune.

Star-divide

Felix Jones flashed signs of absolute brilliance running the ball, possessing both incredible speed and great vision that made him a threat to score everytime he touched the ball. He was the first rookie in Cowboys history to score in each of his first three games. He proved to be a threat not only on offense but on kick returns as well, returning a kick 98 yards for a touchdown against Philadelphia in his home debut. Alongside Marion Barber, the Cowboys had seemingly found the perfect combo for a 1-2 punch in the offensive backfield.

But it was not to last.

A slightly torn hamstring in week five against Arizona sidelined Jones for over a month and while working hard to return in shape he slipped during practice and tore a ligament in his foot. Felix Jones' brilliant rookie season was over before it could really get going. The Dallas Cowboys offense was never the same after Jones was hurt. It's tough to say whether his absence was the sole reason the offense struggled there is no doubt that his presence alone would have altered the way defenses prepared for the Cowboys.

Months earlier the team had another prime opportunity present itself in the draft and the Cowboys nabbed Georgia Tech running back Tashard Choice in the fourth round. The leading rusher in the ACC had seen his stock fall in the draft due to "poor" 40 yard dash times and the Cowboys were able to secure a quality, dependable third string running back that could start for many NFL teams. Unfortunately the Cowboys refused to utilize him until they absolutely had to.

Before Felix Jones' injury Jason Garrett and the Cowboys offense were under constant scrutiny for their stubborness in using Marion Barber. A running back that is a threat to score and is averaging over eight yards per carry is a player that deserves to get the ball more, and the Cowboys were hesitant to do so. Jones would get a series or two a game and that was it, despite the fact he would gouge defenses on a consistent basis. Coaches cited that Jones was still learning the system and was troublesome in pass protection, but a willing and imaginative coordinator finds ways to get his playmakers the ball, any way they can.

In a week 4 loss to Washington, Felix Jones had zero touches. The Cowboys offense struggled for 90% of the game. Coincidence?

After Jones went down due to injury the Cowboys offense jumped on Marion Barber's back and never went very far. With Tony Romo out as well the offense was a stale skeleton of it's former self. Marion Barber, always the quiet yet determined heart of the offense, struggled against defenses that were stacked against him and constantly was fighting off defenders in the backfield. At one point Barber was on pace to have the most touches by any other offensive player in the league as he became the sole weapon both in the passing game and on the ground, and was the Cowboys leading receiver in three out of four weeks. The Cowboys lost three out of four games in that span.

Media and fans alike were practically begging for Tashard Choice to get into the game. While Marion Barber was struggling to get just over three yards a carry, Choice was racking up over five a touch yet had under 20 carries through nine games. With Felix Jones out for the season it was clearly evident that Choice was primed to step in and spell Barber yet again the coaches were hesitant to do so, citing Choice's inexperience.

Then Marion Barber was hurt on Thanksgiving Day and never fully recovered.

Choice immediately stepped into the starting role and proved just how valuable he could be. He was the Cowboys' lone weapon, gashing the Ravens and Steelers both on the ground and in the passing game. Against the top two defenses in the leagure, Choice averaged 4.5 yards per carry and over eight yards per catch, a higher average than either team had allowed all season. He proved a sturdy and straight ahead runner that always found a crease and rarely lost yards. His vision allowed him to find cutback lanes that opened up long runs, and his patience gave the Cowboys their most successful screen plays in years. Tashard Choice proved that he is a player that needs to be utilized.

So what to do in 2009, when all three are healthy once more? Jones showed how dangerous he is anytime he is on the field and Choice proved that is not a liability when given prolonged time in the backfield.

The key to the decision is Marion Barber. When healthy he is the best all-around running backs on the team and one of the top rushers in the league. He is a determined pass blocker, dangerous in the passing game and one of the toughest players in the league to tackle. Yet after averaging nearly five yards per carry in his previous two season, Barber's average fell to a measly 3.7 yards per attempt. This can be attributed to many things such as a Dallas Cowboys offensive line that struggled and an offense that went stale without Tony Romo, yet the Cowboys also never fully utilized their combination of running backs and it hurt Marin Barber in the end. He didn't have the same burst, the same determination he had in previous years. He still showed an undying motor and at times seemed to be the only player on the Cowboys giving it his all, and was the workhorse that closed out the game against Washington. Yet he just wasn't the same dangerous running back he was before.

For the Cowboys to have better success on offense next season they need to find a way to keep Marion Barber fresh throughout the season. He is too valuable and too determined to be run into the ground and the Cowboys will need him when it matters most. They also have two other extremely talented running backs who deserve important and numerous touches as well. So how to use them all effectively?

For the past two seasons the Dallas Cowboys have been a pass first team and have using the passing attack to set up the run. Perhaps it's time for Jason Garrett to mold this offense into a dangerous rushing attack that opens things up for Tony Romo and the Cowboys' receivers. With two capable tight ends and a large, physical offensive line there is no reason why the Cowboys shouldn't have one of the league's top rushing attacks. Marion Barber, Felix Jones and Tashard Choice are all number one running backs on the same team and with each having a different style would pose problems for any defense when properly utlized.

So who starts? Who gets the most carries? Should Tashard Choice start, with Felix Jones coming on at times and Marion Barber finishing the game in the fourth quarter against a worn out defense? That is when he has been most effective in the past: closing out a game with run after punishing run against a defense that's been chasing speedy and shifty running backs for 45 minutes. Or do you keep Barber as the starter, yet put in Choice and Jones more often during the course of the game? Either way the key will have to be to keep Marion Barber fresh.

It will be interesting to see what the Cowboys actually do next year. In the past they have shown to be stubborn and set in their ways and have refused to change until circumstances dictate what must be done. For the offense to pull itself out of the funk it was in in 2008, pride must be set aside and changes brought about. Otherwise, we're having this exact same discussion next January

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first - That's the least of our problems....

….and I have a feeling Jason Garret will not handle it well either….he’ll continue using MBIII all the time and giving limited touches to Felix and Choice. Using screens to give these two guys time to develop their speed in space???? naaaahhhhhh….what the f… for? Let’s just run Marion all the time behing our stupid O-line so he can break his knees for 2 yards and show us he’s a monster. Unfair…just like the way Romo got hammered all season.

by ManTab on Jan 5, 2009 10:13 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Jason Garrett...

Must Go!!!

~Texas Massacre 08~

by TheHeat on Jan 5, 2009 8:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

lol....keep it up Heat.....Garrett MUST GO !!!!!

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

President - Garrett MUST GO campaign -

by BoyzRback on Jan 6, 2009 12:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Look at the Giants

They have three capable backs in Jacobs, Ward, and Bradshaw and they have found a way to use them all effectively behind a very good offensive line. The Cowboys o-line has underachieved but is very capable, and If we can look at how the Giants have successfully used all three backs, the Cowboys can be just as successful. For the Giants, Jacobs is the lead ball carrier, and for the Boys that would be Barber. It would be a little different because the first guy off the bench for the Giants is Ward, who is more similar to Choice in terms of not havign blazing speed or size but being very adept at hitting a hole hard and getting what is there, where their third option Ahmad Bradshaw is similar to Felix Jones in terms of his speed. As much as I love Choice, Felix should get more carries as he is a special weapon. In my opinion, what would work best is for Barber to be the main guy, getting 17-20 carries, starting and finishing the game. Felix jones should touch the ball 10-12 times a game, either on the ground or through the air, and should some significant time on his own in the backfeild, as well as maybe a few instances alongside Barber or Choice. Choice should get a series or two each half to keep Barber fresh for the end of the game. Maybe 5-7 carries and a couple of catched. That is a huge emphasis on the ground game, but as Brandon said, our Running Game can and should be a dominant feature of this offense.

by CTBoy on Jan 5, 2009 10:20 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I

hope to god they don’t come up with a stupid name like “Earth, Wind and Fire.” That’s awful.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by what_the_crap on Jan 5, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Bash-MBIII Dash-Felix and Tash-ard

The ASH Boyz……..Cuz they’ll kick your ash

Bash
Dash
Tash

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President - Garrett MUST GO campaign -

by BoyzRback on Jan 6, 2009 12:36 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah they run Jacobs and Ward

And basically bench Bradshaw

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 5, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's My Fear

NY’s trio are the example I think of for three running-backs, and they really only run 2 (219 carries for Jacobs, 182 carries for Ward, and only 67 for Bradshaw, probably mostly in garbage time). While I’m a fan of Barber, Choice was more effective behind this year’s line than Barber was (even when healthy). I’m afraid though that Choice will have the same role as Bradshaw.

by jrduncans on Jan 5, 2009 4:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

fine with that if we are winning..

A healthy choice down the strech will be nice.

Jacobs has been dinged for last couple weeks and Ward stays hurt

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 5, 2009 4:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Miami Triangle

This weekend, Miami ran a formation with Lousaka Polite, Ricky Williams, and Ronnie Brown in a triangle with the QB under center. It seems like we have the personnel to make this formation dangerous. A power running game with Deon Anderson, Marion Barber, and Tashard Choice in the backfield would be lethal. We could put Felix Jones in the triangle and execute some sweeps and screen passes.

Not to mention we could use the formation as a form of max protect against blitz packages on passing plays. Plus, if we went with a single TE set and split Owens or Williams wide, the opposing defense would be forced to either leave the receiver in single coverage or keep a safety deep and out of run support.

I’d like to think that we would have tried stuff like this if all our RBs were healthy (and not that all the imagination in our offense left for Miami…).

by cstorm15 on Jan 5, 2009 10:25 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

This could sort of be like the early 70s Cowboys

when Landry decided to stop throwing so often or so long, and purposely focused the offensive game plans on using the original three-headed RB monster – Calvin Hill, Duane Thomas and Walt Garrison. It didn’t go very smoothly at first, as Bob Hayes was miffed for a couple reasons and Hill was banged up, but with a sore-armed Craig Morton and an inexperienced Roger Staubach, it did work eventually. Two straight Super Bowls can’t be wrong.

by DavidH22 on Jan 5, 2009 10:25 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Funny you mention that

I was watching Super Bowl VI the other night and watched those three run the ball. They simply wore Miami out, even threw in a reverse to Bob Hayes for good measure. I had visions of what this year’s team might be able to do.

by illcowboy on Jan 5, 2009 7:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This is really a great problem to have. With all the disappointment of recent weeks, the play of Tashard Choice was a real bright spot. I love to watch Jones. He has the most big play capability. How can you not like MBIII. He’s a tough runner who does everything well. All these guys need better line play. The massive Cowboys line just doesn’t seem to consistently open up holes as they have in the past. I believe this contributed to Barber’s struggles. If he can get past the line of scrimmage, he gets increasingly difficult to tackle.

I won’t pretend to know how to effectively execute a three headed attack. What I would like to see is a more even touch distribution among these three with the goal of having Barber ready to go late in the game. That’s when he’s at his best. I think Choice has proven he can handle a significant number of touches, and I certainly wouldn’t want to deny Jones the opportunity to get the ball. The Cowboys might want to get Jones the ball in a variety of different ways – split out as a receiver or what have you.

These guys need to be utilized. I’m upset about the play of the big name receivers, but I’m impressed with this more unheralded group. They’ve proven that they’re capable of making plays and moving the ball. They just need some help from the line and the rest of the offensive unit.

by Cannon Jacques on Jan 5, 2009 11:02 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Two areas we don't need to concentrate on at all in the draft

running back and tightend. pretty much set here…

Barber is the starter, why, he’s paid to be that. And lets not get carried away with anointing Choice as so many did with Julius Jones. One season doesn’t make a career.. You need three backs in todays NFL, and all three are locked up for awhile so try to find a balance so each can contribute in their own strengths.

And before some start with the lets trade barber for draft picks, like a first rounder, it’s not going to happen, so forget it….

by Deke on Jan 5, 2009 11:15 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

agreed

Really shouldn’t be a discussion. We are great at RB and JG knows how effective TC and Felix are..

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 5, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

A healthy Barber would help quite a bit

Although Barber’s average was a dismal 3.7, I think a lot of that can be attributed to his toe injury. He had 15 carries for 17 yards in the 3.5 games after the injury, without those carries his average per carry shoots up to a more respectable 3.9 yards.

However that is still way less than averages in 2007-2008 (4.8). I think the main problem, as Brandon alluded to above, is who starts? I think Barber is better as a closer than a starter. But Barber is being paid like a starter, so…

by DavidH22 on Jan 5, 2009 11:17 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I think Barber deserves to start

even if it is purely symbolic

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 6, 2009 3:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Barber should play the first 2 series

and then Choice and Felix come in splitting the carries

by Burt88 on Jan 7, 2009 2:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

o-line

the starting offensive line was intact this year for 2 games

vs GB : barber 28 carries for 142 yards and a TD
vs Was in week 11 : 24 carries for 114 yards and a TD

i think that’s the key here. we desperately need depth on the line.

by Barbie Carpenter on Jan 5, 2009 11:34 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

we need

o line depth…a playmaker a safety is very important…inside linebacker…and of course a back up qb is needed…A nose tackle is also a must……moving ratt to end would be good for this defense…

by canty99 on Jan 5, 2009 11:45 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

If I were in charge

Barber would start and Barber would finish. Barber would get the first series of every game. I’d sprinkle Felix and Choice in throughout the entire game with emphasis in the second and 3rd quarter. When the game was over I’d hope to have nearly equal carries for all the backs, somewhere in the range of 10 carries a pop. This keeps them fresh and keeps defenses guessing. I’d also use a some Barber or Choice + Felix combos occasionally sending Felix in motion out wide.

All this stubborn “Barber’s our guy” mentality we’ve been seeing is just ridiculous and largely contributes to the offenses struggles.

by sublimezg on Jan 5, 2009 11:57 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

+1

This is the exact scenario that I am thinking as well.

by Ridgelake on Jan 5, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Patrick Chung at 51!

I’ll beating this drum now until April.

Romo really does suck. Jerry really needs to hire a GM. Fuck your new stadium Jerry.

by Captain Comeback on Jan 5, 2009 12:12 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I think...

Trading Barber would be the best option. I don’t think Barber is a guy you can count on for too much longer. Get some draft picks to bolster other parts of the team we need more. I would start Choice and sprinkle in a good amount of Jones.

by Slick-ish24 on Jan 5, 2009 12:13 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

A. not with his new deal

and B. hell no. he’s a sick back and there’s ZERO reason that an Ivy league dude like Red can’t make a three back system work well…

by AikmanNailedMySis on Jan 5, 2009 12:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 6, 2009 3:45 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Its a major change in philosopy...

We need to become a run first team….with the WRs that we have…i do not think this is possible. For a good running game with all the 3…we need the receivers to become willing blockers…good luck trying that with TO and RW2. I do not see us utilizing the 3 headed monsters effectively until the receiving corp is changed.

by thejanusman on Jan 5, 2009 12:27 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yep Yep

~Texas Massacre 08~

by TheHeat on Jan 5, 2009 8:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't get to see RW2

but I’m pretty sure TO is a hell of a blocker, and seems willing to do it.

by Bo Grumpus on Jan 6, 2009 10:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 7, 2009 2:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Take the ball out of Oprah's hands

Where’s Switzer? Tex wants to see a return to the run… all the time. A 3-headed monster. The most important story line for 2009 is taking the ball out of Tony Romo’s hands.

Since the slippery-fingered QB started dating that divorced actress – who allegedly cheated on her previous husband with Bam from Jackass fame (real classy) – Romo has put on at least 25 pounds and has lost his fire for football. More often than not, the pear-shaped Romo hasn’t even competed in the big games, and the ball must be taken out of his hands in 2009 and beyond.

Tex has some advice for the best quarterback never to win a playoff game… drop the bimbos, lose the berets, and mix in a salad.

by Montecito Tex on Jan 5, 2009 12:42 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

As long as Garrett is running the offense

The Cowboys won’t become a running team, it just won’t happen. Garrett believes the offense runs through Romo and will continue to do so.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 5, 2009 1:39 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

or 06

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 5, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Continue means "to remain in a condition."

They missed the playoffs in 2008. I don’t mean to speak for Deke, but I believe he was predicting they would miss the playoffs in the future, just as they did this year. Not that they would be retroactively removed from the past years’ playoffs for their future performance.

by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 5, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Is there a way to delete a comment?

Sorry, didn’t mean to sound like a jackass. Actually, I did, but I felt bad about it after. It was rude.

by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 5, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

cuz Sparano was still here....that's why

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by BoyzRback on Jan 6, 2009 12:39 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Felix and Tashard do damage catching the football

They will get the ball, I am not worried.

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 5, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So does Barber

Think Arizona, 72 yard TD

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 6, 2009 3:48 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Tex, you're really up on the gossip..

I never heard the Bam thing, nor have I been checking out Romo’s waist line!! I think those gossip rags are making you crazy, you should stop reading them and focus on football.

Back to football.. start MB because you have the best combo of running and blocking, giving Tex’s favorite QB time to get off some passes and runs. Then, bring on Felix and Choice to give our O some variety and long range striking power, and finish with MB if we have a lead. We know that next year, all DCs are gonna blitz our brains out until we show we can hurt them when they do. Screens and quick passes to Felix and TC for long gainers will slow down the rushers.

"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams

by Jim Vance on Jan 5, 2009 1:54 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Here's what the media will end up calling our runners..

The 3 amigos

"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams

by Jim Vance on Jan 5, 2009 2:00 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Is the O-Line responsible for Barber's decline, or is it the other way around?

I’m not sure how it’s the line’s fault, when the other 2 backs on the team average significantly more per carry than Barber.

If it were in spot duty only, I might agree, but Choice did it as the main back, against the toughest defenses in the league. If the line is at fault, then Choice and Jones must be the 2 best running backs in the league, because they had some of the best yards per carry, behind this supposedly inferior line. I think it’s more likely that teams understand more what Barber is and is not capable of. He is a battering ram type back, but is not built in the mold of Bettis, Jacobs, or other power backs. He’s best suited for the role he had when Julius Jones was here, 3rd down, short yardage, and run down the clock.

I think that Choice should be the primary first and second down back through the first 3 quarters, and Barber take over as the 3 down back in the 4th. Jones should be used as a kick returner and mixed in for 5-10 touches per game and as a decoy. That means about 15 carries Choice, 15 carries Barber, and 5 carries Jones. That would also open up the play action passing game, slow down the pass rush, decrease third and long situations, and play to our offensive line’s strengths.

by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 5, 2009 2:13 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

In theory that makes sense

but obviously since MB3 got the big contract, he will be the starter. Jerry is not going to pay starter money to MB3 and use him in any other role even if that makes the most sense.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 5, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I know. It's maddening.

That’s why I was against giving Barber that huge contract when he was truly unproven as a feature back. Hopefully this year was an aberration, and with not one, but 2 guys pushing him, including one with a similar style, he will be a rampaging beast next year.

by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 5, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No different then paying rookie's

and Micheal Turner, Matt Shaub, Priest Holmes, etc.. and other FA’s who are given an oppurtunity to start and get paid..

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 5, 2009 2:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I tend to agree about Choice starting

but the dilemma, as we all know, is that Barber is signed to a huge contract and has earned the respect of his teammates, most opponents and us; meanwhile, Jones is a first rounder with immense big play potential, why get him the ball only 5-10 times a game?

In my opinion Choice has earned the right to start next year, he truly was the only bright spot for the team during their 1-3 December. He even played decently against the Eagles debacle. In fact, I love how he chased down Chris Clemons on that Romo fumble return, even if he stiff-armed him on his way to a score.

If Choice is the odd man out next year (i.e., 50 touches or something), I think that will be a huge waste. I just think having two young studs is enough. We already have 3-5 receivers who need the ball. Two starting quality RBs is enough. I’m not sure what that means for Barber, but his presence could be a problem in 2009. Just my opinion.

by DavidH22 on Jan 5, 2009 2:47 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

10 touches plus kick returns is a lot.

If you factor in kick returns, that’s probably 12 touches a game, and kick returns can be brutal. You don’t want the guy to take a pounding every play. I think there are certain types of plays/situations that he will be the best in the league at running, but those situations only present themselves so often. You can’t force plays to him, or that will negate what he does. He is best in open space. Most of the time, you need a guy to take it between the tackles somewhere, or stay in and block.

by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 5, 2009 3:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Does Barber get paid his money even if he sits on the bench??

Sure he does. The money’s going to be paid no matter what. Should you sit someone who is better just because he makes less money?? I certainly hope not but we’ve already seen the way Philips plays his rookies. Not that Choice is better than Barber IMO but they will probably complement each other better if Choice was starting and Barber was “Mariano Rivera-ing”.

by kameleon_o on Jan 5, 2009 7:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I like Choice a little more early and Barber closing late.

Felix springled in all over the place.

Actually this is a good thing for us. If we try to get the ball in their hands a good equal bit we end up running the ball more by default. We also have no idea how injuries will effect our guys. This is actually a topic I have no worries about.

by squidlo97 on Jan 5, 2009 3:00 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

this would make us very dangerous

and open things up for tony romo who can tear defenses apart with passing alone if given the time
but with a potential top league running game romo will be even better
look at how good everyone though jason campbell was when clinton portis was healthy and putting up 100+ yds a game
then he gets a slew of injuries, people start stacking the box, jason campbell gets the game on his shoulders and chokes
but with romo we have an amazing running game with barber, jones, and choice
and then we also got nfc’s leader in passer rating in tony romo

Superbowl or Bust?

by MrMinority on Jan 5, 2009 3:58 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

checkdowns baby, checkdowns

With that talented a backfield, someone needs to get Romo to checkdown. Some of the biggest plays for us (e.g. Barber in Arizona) and against us (e.g. Buckhalter last week) were checkdown passes to RB’s.

The way teams seem to beat us – dating back to the playoff loss to the NYG’s – is just to bring heavy pressure. We simply haven’t been able to beat it because Romo is intent on looking downfield for the big play.

All our backs seem to be capable receivers. All 3 are playmakers, whether its MB3 bowling over tacklers, Choice making the first guy miss, or Felix blowing past the D — all have got to scare any D. Romo and Garrett needs to learn to take what the D gives them and not keep looking for the big play.

If we start hurting teams with those checkdowns, then the D will have to respect them and either reduce the pressure and/or bring the safeties up. Then the opportunities for the big plays downfield will really open up.

by BoyfromOz on Jan 5, 2009 4:51 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

someone knows

yeah only if he could transtion faster and not waiit and react to the defense he needs practice blindfolded haha seriously im not kidding he has this prob he thinks he has to much control and thats why he freezes let him get ht blind a few times hell make actions and not reactions

by spursn4life on Jan 5, 2009 8:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

..not as much as he should

probably could’ve saved him about 5 INTS and 4 lost fumbles this past year..

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by BoyzRback on Jan 6, 2009 12:48 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

your right Terry....but Romo doesn't look for check downs....that's the problem...

that , and Garrett not offering him a check down with his play calling..

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by BoyzRback on Jan 7, 2009 2:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

its true he gets impatient at times

but thats part of his aggressive mentality in attacking defenses and I don’t think thats necessarily a bad thing.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 7, 2009 7:59 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Its not necessarily a bad thing if he learns to control himself

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 7, 2009 8:48 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

and thats part of the maturation process of a young qb.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 7, 2009 9:14 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

completely agree

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 7, 2009 9:16 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

shanahan

i think shanahan will be the next head coach in big d in 2010, with romero crennel or dom capers being the defensive coordnator. i also think that jason garrett will continue as offensive coordinator under shanahan. shanahan will be more like a administrator assisting garrett in offensive game adustments and game planning and when to run the football. with barber, jones and choice shanahan’s experience will come in handy when to ultilize all 3 backs into the running game. just to let cowboy fans on an “insight”, shanahan did not call plays last season in denver, jeremy bates, quarterback coach who is tight with cutler called the plays for the broncos. i see that same set up if shanahan come in as the head coach of da boys in 2010, garrett’s system will be in it’s 4th year with continuity. crennel and capers have extensive knowledge of the 3-4 defense (both have experience with patriot’s bill belichick (camper’s currently on patroit’s staff and crennel has experience of working with the tuna as well (giants defensive line coach during the 1986/1990 super bowl winning teams.

by dallas 1966 on Jan 5, 2009 6:54 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Bottom Line

This team will fizzle if changes in D aren’t made withn next 60 days, these guys are on the brink of imploding. Jones has got to show them/us its not about money or a buddy system, its about the love of the game. This coachng staff doesn’t respect the game or the fans. He needs to step up and and get a guy like ol JJ or get Shannahan to run offense and move Philliips back to defense , or replace him with Cronell ( who i think will light flame under some of these guys holding back and keep it lit) this is no time for on the job trainng for Garret the game has become to balanced and to complicated around the leagues top teams to rely on simple ideas. We have the talent Shannahan can form and direct into the greatest show on earth This offense puts on weight mid season, that is something,that will not happen with him . Were great out the gate , but not much for stamina. Jjones goes one more year like this and thell will be no coming back . And starting over is not an option – here and now – WINNERS MAKE THE HARD OBVIOUS CHOICES ; LOSERS MAKE ALL THE OTHER ONES AND TRY TO IINVENT A FEW OF THEIR OWN

by spursn4life on Jan 5, 2009 7:56 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Barber is still the lead dog.

Dont get it twisted.

Felix is a game changer who needs his touches.

Choice is a nice fallback.

But dont get it twisted.

Cris Carter....you're dead to me.

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 5, 2009 9:41 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

+1

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 6, 2009 3:50 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you know why I don't like reading this thread?

It hurts. It really hurts. To know you have good running backs on your team, yet that aren’t a real factor when it comes to winning games. Why? Definitely not because of they’re talent. Each and every one of them should be big contributors in the outcome of the game.

Do you know why else it hurts? because you read alot of other peoples opinions, and you can see they’re perspective, but they all don’t make a priority out of the most important aspect of winning against any defense you face- Running the ball.

I’m sorry Glory, I disagree about one thing with you (again, respectfully)
Barber isn’t the best back on this team, and niether is Felix Jones. The best back is Tashard Choice. Do you want to know whay I say that? Felix is a specialty Back. Marion is a power back. But it is Tashard whom we can call the all-purpose back. That is more valuable than the others, and do you want to know why? In situations where a defense has to stop you from gaining a yard or two, sometimes a power back can’t get it, where an all-purpose back can most of the time. I, for some reason, feel that Tashard should not be underestimated by you Glory or any other fan, since at the end of the Game, we do want to wear an opponent down with Barber, and he will win the game for us by running hard and protecting the ball and the lead. But a back like Tashard will make the defenses respect the run differently than even someone like Felix Jones. I wish there was some way to play Tashard out there at the same time with Barber, or Felix. How about Barber out their with Felix at the same time? These kind of Cowboy “Wildcat” formations haven’t been utilized or practiced enough to even make a defense worry about formations like that, so thus we must admit that offensively, we are limited by ourselves. Garrett is just too pass orientated.

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by DallasPalace on Jan 5, 2009 11:49 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

btw.......added note
Garrett is just too pass orientated

Garrett JUST SUCKS….more like it..

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by BoyzRback on Jan 6, 2009 12:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Choice is solid in all facets

but outstanding in none.

Cris Carter....you're dead to me.

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 6, 2009 7:21 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yet...

Just give him time

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 6, 2009 7:35 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Felix Jones would be a starting RB anywhere else in this league...don't go throwing tags(specialty back) on these guys...

I believe Choice and Jones are better than Barber, and going into their respective draft classes…the scouts did as well………I was upset we ever extended Barber, not that i disliked him, I love his power game, and his brutal attack modes, but i knew it would cause this log jam, and we can really use upgrades at other positions, and would have benefitted from trading Barber….cuz I KNEW the two rookies would prove their worth, their skills, and their capabilities to our two backs for the future…I have no clue what’s going to happen in the near future….but i am pretty sure Barber will be gone before Choice’s and Jones’s contracts are up…….

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by BoyzRback on Jan 6, 2009 12:56 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

The right balance

1. Don’t be predictable.

2. Felix can’t be the feature back and return kicks.

3. Barber should be used in the red zone, and late in the games, where his value is highest.

4. There should be an open competition in training camp.

However, the way it should shake out is Choice starting, Jones as the change of pace back, and Barber in the red zone, and finishing games. Here’s the problem: Getting the Cowboys coaching staff to do what makes sense takes an act of Congress.

It isn't what you say. It's what you do.

by Lunging Wolf on Jan 6, 2009 5:51 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I will say this....If Shannahan comes

Choice might end up being the lead back, with Felix getting a lot more carries.

He may try to move Barber.

Cris Carter....you're dead to me.

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 6, 2009 7:22 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

both would kill

In zone blocking one cut system.

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 6, 2009 10:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I just dont understand picking one back over the other on the same team.

Who is better. Does their really need to be a winner here. Im grateful that our stable is full. Im glad these guys have different running styles. I smart enough to see they have strengths and weaknesses. Who gets more plays will be determinded week to week by health, production, scheme of D we play, gameplan, what part of the field the opponents try to take away from us. They are both good. Id give the rock to either one of them anytime.

by squidlo97 on Jan 6, 2009 12:03 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

That's the problem.

I don’t believe that this coaching staff does determine who gets the ball based on health, production, scheme, game plan, etc. At least they didn’t this year. They had to be forced into using Choice, and even then, continued to try to force a clearly not healthy Barber into the game. They were reluctant to use Jones, despite his clear game breaking abilities. It seems pretty clear that they are going to pick a guy and use him as much as they can, despite the abilities of the other guys on the team.

by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 6, 2009 3:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Injured Barber

Why they gave him three carries a game while injured is another befuddling move.

That decision, naming Romo the backup in St. Louis and starting and injured Williams in Philly makes me wonder if there is a monkey throwing darts at the depth chart in Valley Ranch.

by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 6, 2009 4:39 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

definitely a little gun shy

1. Benching Barber
2. Benching Holland
3. Benching Brad

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by Wmillion on Jan 6, 2009 5:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wasnt Holland kept out because of injury rather than benched?

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 6, 2009 5:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

nope

I know he was a litle out of shape and needed to learn the playbook, but he was ready weeks before he got the nod..

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 6, 2009 5:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yep, ok

I got confused as to when you were talking about. I thought you were talking about “Benching Holland” as in after he had been starting, not before that.

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 6, 2009 5:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Also bad

You decide for the last half of the season that McQuistan is an upgrade over Proctor? Why didn’t we see him earlier?

Just strange decision making – indecisive beyond belief.

“Barber’s playing – great to hear he is healthy”

“Oh, he is still injured, but we’ll give him three meaningless carries just for kicks”.

by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 6, 2009 6:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

lol....throwing darts indeed....

kinda like what Garrett does when he’s calling one of his 10 plays in his book.

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by BoyzRback on Jan 7, 2009 2:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It would be quite sad next year....

If Garrett kept calling those lame dinky screen passes to T.O. and Roy yet didn’t bother to draw up any swing passes or screens for Felix.

by MadMick on Jan 7, 2009 2:44 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Trade Choice now while his value is highest

Good third string RBs are a luxury.

We have bonafide NEEDS in other places.

Nah, noob.

by Brian Thomas on Jan 8, 2009 3:30 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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