Ware finishes second behind Harrison for Defensive Player of the Year
by Tuna Helper on Jan 5, 2009 12:33 PM CST
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"DeMarcus Ware was cheated out of the Defensive Player of the Year by the Associated Press, who handed the trophy to James Harrison of the Pittsburgh Steelers."
This was my immediate reaction when I heard the news. Yes it's a bit childish but it was just my raw emotions.
After further review, I'm more understanding of the Harrison choice. SportingNews.com goes into greater detail.
NEW YORK (AP) -- James Harrison slams down the current version of the Steel Curtain better than any Pittsburgh Steeler, earning him The Associated Press 2008 Defensive Player of the Year award.The linebacker who had a career-high 16 sacks, setting a team record, and led the NFL with a career-high seven forced fumbles, beat Dallas' DeMarcus Ware in balloting by a nationwide panel of 50 sports writers and broadcasters announced Monday. Pittsburgh defense was the league's stingiest in total defense, pass defense and points allowed. Harrison was its main hammer.
"That's something that everybody in the league would love to have, to be voted the top player in the league for that year," Harrison said. "In my mind, I think I do -- and it's going to sound boring -- what the defense allows me to do and what my teammates allow me to do."
Harrison earned 22 votes to 13 for Ware.
I think they make a pretty good case for Harrison. I'm going to make the case for Ware.
Ware had 20 sacks. Think about that. Twenty sacks on a team were no other player had double-digit sacks. On a team with no other dominant defensive players. Harrison has Troy Polamulu (73 tackles, 7 INTs) and LaMarr Woodley (60 tackles, 11.5 sacks). Ed Reed has Terrell Suggs and Ray Lewis. Ware is the center of every offensive team's gameplan. Every game. And there is no other dominant defensive player on the team to alleviate some of that pressure off of him.
Also, Ware's stats are comparable if not better. He has more sacks than Harrison and one less forced fumble than Harrison's league leading seven. True Harrison does have more tackles than Ware, but Ware has more solo tackles than Harrison. And Ware is in a division filled with dominant offensive lines and offensive lineman (Tra Thomas, Chris Samuels, Chris Snee, etc). Shoot, I think there's an equally persuasive argument that Reed (40 tackles, 9 INTs) is more deserving than Harrison.
It's not that I don't think Harrison deserves the award. He's had an awesome year and the Steelers defense is the best in the league. We found that out. But I just get the feeling that Ware lost votes because of our December swoon and that's not his fault. Not only that but the Steelers defensive prowess wasn't entirely Harrison's doing. He's part of a system that features dynamic players at every level. From where I'm sitting Ware has done more with little. And that deserves recognition too.
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The shutout in Philly as well as the total breakdown of the team killed his chances.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 5, 2009 12:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The team had a swoon and so did Ware
He sacked Flacco on one of the first plays from scrimmage, then was never heard from again, including in Philadelphia.
At least Harrison had a sack in his second to last game and his defense had a shutout to end the season. Granted, it was against Cleveland, but it’s still an NFL goose-egg.
In the end, though, Ware deserved it just as much as Harrison. I suspect it was the dreaded anti-Dallas bias that finished Ware off.
by DavidH22 on Jan 5, 2009 12:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't make sense David
Ware had a sack in his second to last game too. And if shutouts are what they give awards for then they should give it to the entire defense. I like Tuna’s main thrust of his argument. That Harrison is great but Ware did more with less.
by kameleon_o on Jan 5, 2009 8:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe Harrison sat out the last game.
Maybe he should sit out more.
by WestTxHornFan on Jan 6, 2009 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Leadership
Harrison, Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu are leaders to their teams….great players who also motivate their teamates. Ware is a great player but a very quiet one. He needs to become a leader and change his stupid celebration…….
by ManTab on Jan 5, 2009 1:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
I think Ware is a leader, you don’t have to be a loud mouth like Ray Lewis to be a great leader
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 5, 2009 1:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Homer
You are the definition of what a myopic homer is.
Give me an example of how Ware is a more impactful “leader” than Ray Lewis. You HONESTLY cannot see how Ray Lewis is the emotional center of his team (defense)? You HONESTLY cannot see how he’s the cerebral center to the best defense of the last 10 years?
If you can’t, then I suggest you read these posts on this blog and opt to sit out and read before speaking up.
by Joey2zs on Jan 5, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
which is exactly why ray ray needs to be here to finish his career. imagine how much better this defense could be
with someone as smart and astute leading them into battle.
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
by stoproyce on Jan 5, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Im not into
“rent a leader”. Isnt that what Zach Thomas was for.
Cris Carter....you're dead to me.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 5, 2009 5:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If it gets us a ring or two and raises the collective IQ of this defense I am definately for it.
Its not like he can’t play or is coming from a 4-3. Not to mention this defense needs to play meaner and i have a feeling he could make that happen. Besides Lewis is way better than Z. Thomas and actually ran ,arguably , the best 3-4 in the past ten years.He certainly took it to us.
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
by stoproyce on Jan 5, 2009 11:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But Ray Lewis' leadership was grown organically
If he is brought in like some sort of mercenary, the respect wont be natural.
Plus he’s reaching the years where his play is gonna start to tail off.
The screaming and yelling becomes hollow when your play no longer backs it up.
Cris Carter....you're dead to me.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 6, 2009 6:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 6, 2009 7:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what does that mean grown organically so his respect and knowledge of the 3-4 not to mention his physicality
and attitude would dry up when he got here? somehow become synthetic and inauthentic? please if he can come in make some defensive calls ,make some plays and hold some of the heartless lumps back there to a higher standard how could this not be an upgrade? How did he look against us? didn’t seem washed up or slow to me. he dissected us like a fraction. Now i am not saying sign him for 3-4 years just a couple. i am all for anything that makes this on the field defense smarter and more capable of doing their jobs.
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
by stoproyce on Jan 6, 2009 11:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I mean organic as in
He was drafted by them, been there his entire career. He is the Baltimore Ravens. It’s natural, it’s not the same as him coming in here when everybody knows he’s a hired gun. He grew into his role in Baltimore.
Cris Carter....you're dead to me.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 6, 2009 5:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I didnt mention Ray Lewis in my post
I mentioned Polmalu, Reed and Harrison but since you bring it up, yeah I would consider Ray Lewis a leader and a great one……Ray Lewis could very well be the DC for Baltimore the way he pushes his teamates….he reminds me of what Peyton Manning does for the Indy offense. If you want to call it loud mouth then fine, call it that way…I would love to have a loud mouth on deffense on our team and would love for Romo to be more of a loud mouth and show some more character…It would certainly make the O-line feel a bit more compromised to stand up for him….at worst.
by ManTab on Jan 5, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ManTab is totally correct....and Ware is no leader...
YES…you do need to be a vocal leader to get your point across, if your unit is not responding, or playing with intensity…..Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Phillip Rivers, and Drew Brees are exactly what you would consider leaders of an offense…..Brian Dawkins, Ray Lewis, Jared Allan, Junior Seau, Rodney Harrison, Terry Porter, Justin Tuck, etc….are exactly the kind of vocal leaders we need on this team……Not only do they demmand from themselves 110, but they will be right on the next guy expecting the same from them….A leader to hold the other players accountable…110 effort 100% of the time……….It is NOT the coaches that inspire and generate energy among the players…these guys aren’t in need of Raaaahhh Raaaaah pep talks.., They NEED a guy like Ray Lewis IN THEIR FACE, demanding perfection, demanding accountability, demanding 100% execution………without that you have a bunch of wanna be stars more worried about their sack or td celebration techniques……..so don’t gimme none of this lead by example, lead by watching me play crapola…..If you can’t stand up in front of 53 men and gain their attention, respect, devotion…..then you are NOT a leader….
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by BoyzRback on Jan 5, 2009 6:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree...
Ware is not the leader on this defense…Bradie James is…i guess having someone like Ellis in the DL definitely impacts whether Ware speaks up or not…i guess next year without Ellis would make him more vocal.
by thejanusman on Jan 5, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bradie James is a what?
Bradie aint no leader…..please dont fool yourself. The guy’s OK but he aint no leader. If Ware has issues of speaking his mind because Ellis might cry again then I simply rest my case. F&^%$ck Greg Ellis and his yearly bitching……he shouldnt be back next year. Enough of all this nonsense.
by ManTab on Jan 5, 2009 3:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I see your point...
I agree with you as well…but think of it…who do you consider a leader? Leaders are players who are trying to get all the guys on the team ready and charged up for the game….Ware is not a vocal guy….he just believes in doing stuff on the field…unfortunately my friend…in this day and age a leader is definitely judged by how vocal he is. Even in the issue between Witten and TO it was James who stepped in…i am not sure what happens in team meetings..i sure hope Ware is chewing somebody’s a** out if they are not performing
by thejanusman on Jan 5, 2009 4:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Its a myth you have to be vocal to be a leader. Ware and James lead by their play on the field and work at practice.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 5, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe our vocal leader
Will be the safety we draft..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Jan 5, 2009 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And therefore...
our deffense sucks and we;re soft while the ravens kiced our a$$….
Keep leading by example…It has worked wonders for us and all our 1st round picks in this D (Ware, Spears, Newman, Williams, Barbie, Pacman)….and we still sink and can’t cover anybody.
by ManTab on Jan 5, 2009 7:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
our defense doesn't suck
our safeties suck and thats where we need to improve.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 5, 2009 7:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Please.....
The great play of Terence Newman vs Washington, Pittsburgh and Philly certainly proves our D is a beast or the two longest runs in cowboys history vs Baltimore? Or the penalties to convert 3rd downs into first downs?…..
We can certainly close our eyes and think we’re the best (just like they’re doing here in Miami) or we could be a bit more demanding of a team that has supposedly the best talent level in the NFL (13 probowlers a season ago) and didnt win anything.
There’s absolutely no excuse for the level of play from Hamlin, Newan, Canty, not the lack of explossiveness of an offense that had 3 linemen in the probowl last year (Gurode, Davis, Adams), Terrell Owens, Jason Witten, Tony Romo, MBIII, RW2……no way.
by ManTab on Jan 6, 2009 8:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
there's a big difference between
sucking and being the best. Our defense was solid, but it needs a really good safety to become one of the best.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 6, 2009 8:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bradie James is the defense's leader
I am constantly amazed at the bashing he takes from Cowboy fans. WTF????
Ware is the guy that people need to account for, and Rat is a tough SOB, but who has the mic in the helmet?
Who once again led the defense in tackles?
Answer is the same to both questions.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Jan 5, 2009 9:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
You’ll never hear me bash Bradie, I think he’s one of the most underrated players in the league.
We’re lucky to have him.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 5, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
REALLY??
Who ISN’T the most underrated this that or the other on the Cowboys? Is it Ware, the greatest football player ever? Bradie James, one of the most OVERRATED FOOTBALL PLAYERS IN THE LEAGUE?? Or is it Ratliff, the best DT in the league? I have a feeling you don’t know what the terms “best” or “most” mean.
Why would anyone listen to Ware? What’s he saying? He only just this year learned how to freaking PLAY the game. What’s this whelp going to tell Zack Thomas or Bradie James or Roy Williams or Terence Newman or anyone? He is STILL LEARNING. He’s a great player. I think calling him the team’s leader is silly. And the argument is silly.
And anyway, if one day Ware becomes half the football player that Ed Reed is now, then I’ll be happy, and you can award awards and worry about that.
by Joey2zs on Jan 6, 2009 1:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've criticized plenty of players on the team
that actually deserve criticism. I’ll praise players who I think deserve it and criticize players in the same way.
If you don’t think James had a great year then you simply have no clue.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 6, 2009 7:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Joey2zs
Open your eyes dude.
How the hell is James one of the most overrated players in the league when nobody outside Dallas gives him any credit. That’s friggin ridiculous.
I’m not saying he’s ProBowl level, I’m saying he is way under appreciated by our own fans.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Jan 6, 2009 11:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Although I think hes pretty close to being a pro-bowl caliber player
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 7, 2009 1:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm saying he's pro bowl level
definitely deserved to go this season thats for sure.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 7, 2009 7:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ware might not be the most vocal leader in the locker room
but I’ll bet he’s one of the more listened to. The other players are going to listen more to someone like Ware who doesn’t run off at the mouth much than someone like Newman who is ALWAYS talking.
by kameleon_o on Jan 5, 2009 8:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So many players on this team are the "lead by example" type
Romo. Witten. TO. Newman. Ware. These are all high character players who give their all for their team.
I’m sorry, but we have no emotional leader. And nobody aside from ware on this team scares the daylights out of the opposition. I mean watch brian dawkins rally the philly fans and make two plays that ended our season.
There was a big disconnect between the offense and defense last season – when the defense played well, the offense didn’t and vice versa. Losing at home in the last game at texas stadium when giving up two long runs to the ravens…those things don’t HAPPEN when you have a real leader.
by foyesboys on Jan 7, 2009 5:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
DeMarcus Ware celebrating after sacks and not yelling “We Must Protect This House” enough proves he’s doesn’t motivate his teammates.
Give me a break…
by MeanMr.Mustard on Jan 5, 2009 5:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree TH
While I also believe it’s BS that Ware didn’t win the award because he was certainly more deserving, you can’t say the Cowboys don’t have any other dominating defensive players as Ratliff is as good as any DL in the league.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 5, 2009 1:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Tuna Helper
However,
I learned after last years 13 Pro Bowl selections and this years no playoff birth that Individual Awards mean NOTHING. I could care less if another Cowboy ever makes the Pro Bowl, wins MVP, Defensive MVP, or rookie of year.
“Teams” win playoff games and Super Bowls NOT “Individuals”
by Prime-Time on Jan 5, 2009 1:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1
Bingo. Who cares? Perhaps he’d earn a bonus… otherwise it’s just garbage for fans to discuss.
by Joey2zs on Jan 5, 2009 1:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Put the Coffee Down
Coffee is for closers. Winning on the field solves everything; everything else is superfluous.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 5, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
1st prize is a Cadillac Eldorado. 2nd prize is a set of steak knives. 3rd place you’re fired.
by kameleon_o on Jan 5, 2009 8:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Of Course A Steeler Won Over A Cowboy
When it comes to the bulls#!t sports media. They’ve been prejudiced against the Cowboys since the 1970’s, why should those fat, hoagie eating, New England chumps change now? Harrison had a phenomenal season, but the voting should have been much closer.
by GhostofGaryHogeboom on Jan 5, 2009 2:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
. From where I’m sitting Ware has done more with little. And that deserves recognition too.
I think that’s the definition of an MVP. Voters get caught up in team records when thinking about MVPs, but the idea of an MVP is, where would the team be without the player. To me, the Dallas defense would be in a much worse place without Ware than Pit without Harrison.
by Cosby Sweater on Jan 5, 2009 2:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ware got as* raped.....
He was clearly the most dominant player on this defense. Unlike Harrison, he had a core of players that made him better. You can’t say the same for Ware. Knowbody on this defense made Ware better. He did it alone….James, Canty, Ellis, Tank, Ratliff have all been inconsistant all season which makes the case for Ware even better for defensive MVP. You guys seriously need your heads examined if you think Harrision deserved it over Ware.
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 5, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
disagree
Ratliff and James were beasts as well.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 5, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ratliff was good, but was inconsistant..James...LMAO!!! he showed up in a few games this season...
James is a average 3-4 ILB at best.
Ware did all his damage on his own without much help from anyone.
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 5, 2009 6:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not true
James and Ratliff were very consistent, go back and which the games.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 5, 2009 7:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't have to go back and watch James get smoked by TE's Terry....
He was average for most of the year. He played well the last 4 or so games….let’s not get carried away. Ratliff is playing out of position and did very well, but there some games where you didn’t even know he was playing. Ware’s presence was felt every game even when he didn’t have a sack.. This defense revolves around Ware and everyone knows it, not James, not Ratliff…WARE!!
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 5, 2009 7:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ware disappeared as well at times
I think thats probably why he didn’t win it actually
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 5, 2009 7:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it happens..
Harrison had 2 sacks vs. Cincy and Cleveland.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Jan 5, 2009 7:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you about James but not Rat
You don’t know most NT’s are playing if they’re doing their job well. The fact that you notice Rat at all is a testament to how truly skilled a player he really is. Not to mention that he’s brought something to the NT position that you don’t see very often.
by kameleon_o on Jan 5, 2009 9:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Man, you just don't stop do you Boyzfan94
Accept the fact that you are WRONG!!!!! about James, look at other teams with a 3-4 and tell me how superior their ILB’s are.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Jan 5, 2009 9:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
umm.. no...... quit while your behind Perfect..
James is OVERRATED!! He blows against the pass and is decent against the run…..He would make a better Mike LB is a 4-3….He along with Zach make tackles 4, 5, 6 yards down the field. Your rarely ever see them get behind the line to tackle a player. They get swallowed up by lineman and have a difficult time shedding blocks. They are both undersized 3-4 ILBs. I played 2 season of LB in college before seperating my shoulder so don’t tell me about the position….heck… I was bigger than Zach when I played..now he realizes he is undersized for the position. I guess you haven’t been paying attention to the ILB’s on the Ravens and Steelers have you? I guess you haven’t noticed how disruptive they are. Bart Scott, Ray Lewis, those guys aren’t superior right?? Lawrence Timmons, Larry Foote, James Farrior..those guys don’t make plays?? The problem is we are so used to mediocre play from the ILB position we don’t know what is good and what is average. Our ILB’s are average. When you watch Baltimore and Pitt play this weekend come back and tell me there ILB are as good as ours….pleasssseeeeee…
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 5, 2009 10:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!!!!
You call James overrated but you think Barbie is good…..now thats funny…thanks for the laugh…hilarious!
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 6, 2009 7:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Carpenter has made the most of his opportunties
He hasn’t had enough playing time to see whether he is good or bad. I would have no problem saying he stinks if he had a few games of starting and stunk it up, but he hasn’t.
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 6, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he's had plenty of games
to show how bad he stinks…they’re called preseason games and I got news for you, if you can’t show anything in preseason games you certainly aren’t going to show anything in real games.
To say Barbie has made the most out of his opportunities is laughable, he’s sucked in every opportunity he’s ever been given and would have cut a long time ago if he wasn’t a first rd pick…what a bust!
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 6, 2009 10:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
starting???? I think not.......
JAMES is OVERRATED…..get over it Terry..
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 6, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
who cares if he's starting?
Why don’t you get over the fact that Barbie really sucks and you’re flat out wrong about James…BIGTIME!
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 6, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've been reading the comments about James and you seem to be in the minority ....
James is a liabilty in coverage just like RW at safety. How many times do you need to see him getting smoked by TE’s to figure that out? He is a average 3-4 ILB…..get over it Terry…put your eye glasses on this weekend and watch Baltimore and the Steelers ILBs play….Tell me that James is as good those players……..
l’ll admitt Carpenter stinks when you admitt your boy Romo regressed this season…..
We all know that’s not happening…..
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 6, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not me
I think Bradie James is money.. What he lacks in coverage he makes up for it with his abiity to sack the QB. No ILB had more sacks then James. He doubled up the next closest guy..
Bobby C. should have oppurtunity next year. ILB will be open try out.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Jan 6, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They were talking about Carpenter on DC.com today
Nick and Derek said he should get his chance. They said the same things, I repeatedely said for months now that he hasn’t had a legit shot at starting and when he has had playing time he has done well. If anyone followed him at OSU he made plays and was a real good tackler. It’s amazing people are quick to point out he is a bust after watching him in some meaningless preseason games, but when he played in the Seattle playoff game and a couple of others he did well.
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 6, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he also played DE/OLB
at OSU and in the Seattle playoff game, ILB is a different animal that he doesn’t have the strength or toughness to handle.
If he is our starting ILB next year, teams will run through us like a hot knife through butter.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 6, 2009 3:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Team ran through Bradie and Zach like a hot knife through butter so what's your point??
Carpenter played inside and mostly outside his senior season. I believe he had 8 sacks. He was a tackling machine…I watched ever game because I’m a OSU fan….He was a beast playing next to AJ Hawk. What hurt his draft status was a injury his senior season.
This from Scouts.com on Carpenter…
Tough, hard-working player whose draft position suffers due to a final-game ankle injury. Aggressive player who reads plays well and is solid in coverage. Not the quickest linebacker and isn’t at the top of the linebacking group in ball pursuit ability.
The guy has toughness….and is strong as an Ox.. If you heard anyone talk about Carpenter they all say the one thing he doesn’t lack is strength.
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 6, 2009 7:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Carp is a bust in the 3-4
Sorry guy, but he’s been given a lot of chances as a 1st round pick and he hasn’t delivered.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Jan 6, 2009 11:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm an OSU fan...
He definitely got a lot less credit because of his injury and playing next to AJ. But in his junior year, he was AJ Hawk on riods. A beast! I haven’t really seen it carry over though…
…And getting a nickname like Barbie can’t be that flattering, especially when it comes from the guys on the other side of the ball. And on your own team, no less.
by AikmanNailedMySis on Jan 7, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
James is better than Farrior and Foote
BTW, the offense as a whole obviously regressed, all you have to do is look at the numbers but I’m not into calling out individual players like you…unless they truly deserve it like your boy barbie.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 6, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe you should worry about defending Romo and worry less about Carpenter
because right now your losing your arguments here on Romo.
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 6, 2009 7:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
James is better in our system
Did you ever consider that PIT’s defensive scheme is different, and they have Hampton at NT??
Check the stats, James has out performed both.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Jan 6, 2009 11:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
uh...
i agree with the sentiment. the verbage has me a little uncomfortable in my seat tho. lol.
"They need security in the world, Craig!"
by Tuna Helper on Jan 5, 2009 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LMAO!!!
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by silverblue5 on Jan 5, 2009 8:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Ware is definetly Defensive MVP
but…
The award goes to POY player of the year.
by Prime-Time on Jan 5, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 6, 2009 7:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hold on a minute. The way the sportswriters(and I agree) The best player on the best team, period.
The fact that Ware got 13 votes playing on a team that tanked actually says a hell of a lot.
by squidlo97 on Jan 5, 2009 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Dallas defense allowed 360+ points
with Ware in the lineup. That’s pretty bad. I’d be willing to bet that no team of any other previous NFL DPOY ever gave up as much, or even close.
So you have a defense that allowed a ton of points, that barely scrounged up any turnovers, that didn’t make the playoffs; throw in the fact that Ware disappeared in two critical late-season games, and you have a recipe for getting stiffed.
by DavidH22 on Jan 5, 2009 2:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ware Was The Only One Who Showed Up Every Game
He and Ratliff. The rest of them didn’t bother to show up for 16 games.
by GhostofGaryHogeboom on Jan 5, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Funny
because I didn’t see him “show up” in the second Philly game
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 6, 2009 7:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
none of them showed up that game
That was only the second time all season Ware was held without a sack.
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 6, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mickey said they lined up two tackles on Ware most of the game
They stole the idea from Baltimore who did some of that the week before.
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 6, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Ware deserved it, but so did Harrison.
When you have 2 guys that are close, it is usually going to go to the guy on the better team. It also doesn’t help that the Cowboys D came unglued in the Ravens game. I doubt it was Ware’s fault, but that’s how these things go. I understand the argument that the Cowboys have no other defensive superstars, but agree with Terry that Ratliff is pretty close, and also, the Cowboys did lead the league in sacks, so he did have help, just not all from one or 2 guys.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 5, 2009 2:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I would have no problem with any of the top 3 guys winning.
All three of those guys had fantastic years, and there wasn’t much seperating them.
by Mandmeisterx on Jan 5, 2009 2:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think we can all just agree that
Ed Reed is ridiculous. Who’s the next great Miami U safety? Whoever he is, whenever he’s available, freaking draft his ass!
by DavidH22 on Jan 5, 2009 2:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1,000
"They need security in the world, Craig!"
by Tuna Helper on Jan 5, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ed Reed.....
should be the Defensive player of the year. Ware is not a leader and does’nt dominate the defensive side of the game as Charles Haley did, but he is the best that we have amongst all our wasted No. 1 picks on defense.
by El Jofre on Jan 5, 2009 2:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
the giants would disagree with you...
"They need security in the world, Craig!"
by Tuna Helper on Jan 5, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with you. Ware is better player and a better athlete and is way more of a leader.
by squidlo97 on Jan 5, 2009 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Have to disagree
Better player- maybe
Better athlete- maybe
more of a leader- definately not
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 6, 2009 7:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Since when is the award Defensive Leader of the Year?
I don’t remember Shawn Merriman being a “great leader” the year he won it. Nevermind the fact that no one outside of the Cowboys and Steelers locker rooms knows who is and isn’t a leader.
by MeanMr.Mustard on Jan 5, 2009 5:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That quote was meant strictly as a comparison to Haley who was disliked. Leadership has nothing to do with the award.
Its the best player on a winning team
by squidlo97 on Jan 5, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Team not winning big games and making the post season kill his chances
+ Jerry Jones. Let’s see the game against the Ravens proved just another big mistake Jerry made during this season. I recalled Ray L. saying the Cowboys have a simple offense, you can tell what their going run just by reading they’re formations. That’s easy to say when you put your team on a show like Hard Knocks that features a little brother calling you every break he gets… then cut him. You think little bro may have known a play or two? hmmm?
You hand pick a team to closeout the hole in the roof… why because of last year’s record and a rookie coach. Just mistake after another. Jerry’s got to change the way he dose bussiness. Like last year giving players champinship tickets before games.
by starstatus on Jan 5, 2009 2:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I blame Romo!
(didn’t he give Harrison two of his forced fumbles?)
by alienasia on Jan 5, 2009 3:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Fitness
Will someone please give Tony of copy of Terrell’s fitness book. His Oprah Winfrey diet cost the Cowboys another season, and possible Demarcus his trophy – see win total. In only three years, the Cowboys’ pear-shaped quarterback has already accounted for some of the most infamous moments in franchise history. Romo is the worst QB in the division and Mr. Ware has no chance to win awards as long as the out-of-shape signal caller continues to pad the stats of opposing defenses. Time for a few less margaritas in Cabo and a few more hours in the gym.
by Montecito Tex on Jan 5, 2009 3:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
LOL...What makes you say that?
Romo is not in that bad a shape….
by thejanusman on Jan 5, 2009 3:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Come on Tex, Romo is better than Jason Campbell
But yes, Romo has yet to surpass NFC East QBs like McNabb and Manning, both of whom have proven to be clutch leaders.
David wishes that Tex were his exercise coach, as he needs the extra motivation.
by DavidH22 on Jan 5, 2009 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
WOW!
A Tex post about Romo and no mention of the word bimbo …
Who’da thunk it?? My life is now complete – I’ve seen it all …
Stop the Madness - Enshrine Bob Hayes
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by Raul Villaronga on Jan 5, 2009 6:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Its not what makes him say that but rather whats going to make him say it every other post til Tony breaks up with JS and wins a playoff game.
by squidlo97 on Jan 5, 2009 3:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Romo will be gone by 2010...with or without his lap-dancing squeeze.
Wharter
by Wharter on Jan 5, 2009 5:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I take some of that action. He aint going nowhere.
What are we going to do? Run in the backyard and shake the pro bowl QB tree and take the first that falls. If so can you hit the safety tree on your way.
by squidlo97 on Jan 5, 2009 5:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
dream on hater
He’s the franchise for years to come
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 5, 2009 7:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
GMC Defensive Player of the Year
Not the same, but you can still vote for Ware for GMC Defensive Player of the Year at NFL.com until Jan. 29
by scottmaui on Jan 5, 2009 3:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Where's the hunger? the passion?
I really like Ware and Romo. Both seem like genuinely nice people – and that is infinitely better than some of the borderline (or actual) criminal and classless thugs that exist across the league.
However, the one thing that shone through SN story was the hunger and the passion. Harrison is one hungry dude. He has had to fight to get where is and he intends to make the most of it. I don’t sense anything like that passion from Ware or Romo.
Its not about being a big mouth ( ala tank or Crayton) – its about having passion and hunger to win – and then demonstrating that in practice and then on the field when it counts. The rest of the team then feeds off that passion and the whole team peformance lifts. We have a few players like that – ratliffe, scandrick, choice, – but none of them are established leaders / stars so they don’t have the same impact.
by BoyfromOz on Jan 5, 2009 4:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
I think Ware and Romo are as passionate as any player, they just don’t show it in a traditional manner, which is okay.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 5, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I met D-Ware in person a few months before Wade took over...
…and he was telling everyone about his off-season regimen. Not just the grueling workouts — cardio and weight-lifting — but also the karate stuff to work to improve on hand stuff, reaction, and quickness.
Tell me that’s not passion to get better to produce for his team and help his team win.
From merriam-webster.com -
Main Entry:
pas·sion: Listen to the pronunciation of passion
Pronunciation:
\ˈpa-shən\
Function:
noun
Date:
13th century
1. often capitalized a: the sufferings of Christ between the night of the Last Supper and his death b: an oratorio based on a gospel narrative of the Passion. NOT APPLICABLE HERE
2. obsolete : suffering NOT APPLICABLE HERE
3. the state or capacity of being acted on by external agents or forces
MOST DEFINITELY APPLICABLE
4. a (1): emotion (2): plural – the emotions as distinguished from reason b: intense, driving, or overmastering feeling or conviction c: an outbreak of anger MOST DEFINITELY APPLICABLE
5 a: ardent affection : love b: a strong liking or desire for or devotion to some activity, object, or concept c: sexual desire d: an object of desire or deep interest NOT APPLICABLE HERE
Definitions #3 AND #4 sums up DeMarcus Ware. Just because he doesn’t bark around like a crazed dawg on the field all da time don’t mean he ain’t got no passion.
I’ve shook the man’s hand.
I dare any of you — or any of them brown-helmeted mediots — to tell #94 that he don’t got no hunger or passion for the game.
"I got a fever. And the only prescription is more cowbell." -- Bruce Dickinson
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by silverblue5 on Jan 5, 2009 8:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you shook his hand
wow. that doesn’t embarrass you to use as proof you know the guy?
by Joey2zs on Jan 6, 2009 1:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't know him. i met him at a fan event. and he was cool. tough guy, but really good with kids.
"I got a fever. And the only prescription is more cowbell." -- Bruce Dickinson
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by silverblue5 on Jan 6, 2009 6:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
did he sing head, shoulders, knees, and toes to em all?
by AikmanNailedMySis on Jan 6, 2009 7:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!
Nah. I meant to pre-teens and teens.
My two nephews — one a steelers fan and one a falcons fan — couldn’t believe that he would delay the autograph signing line just to ask them about what they wanted to be when they grew up and how they were doing in school.
His demeanor was intimidating, but his ability to communicate to all of us was exceptional.
"I got a fever. And the only prescription is more cowbell." -- Bruce Dickinson
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by silverblue5 on Jan 6, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
btw, i never said i knew him. my one-time interaction with him -- together with other fans -- is what I have to go by.
and damn, he initially came across as intimidating… but after spending time with fellow Cowboys fans, i realized that the man seemed downright genuine.
kind of like a “what you see is what you get” kinda dude.
"I got a fever. And the only prescription is more cowbell." -- Bruce Dickinson
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by silverblue5 on Jan 6, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Ware should have gotten it over Harrison
But the margin was not very wide. And I guess making it to the playoffs goes a long way.
Still, all this talk about Ware not being a leader is nonsense. Going out every Sunday, healthy or hurt and going balls out for 65-70 snaps is leadership.
Anyone who thinks that we can see leadership on our television has never played football. Everyone looking for some shouting maniac has seen too many football movies. I will say this again, it’s great to get the guys around you jacked up, but the guy that gets in everybody’s face is alienating himself from his teammates. NOBODY LIKES OR RESPECTS THAT GUY. In fact, over time that guy’s act grows tired, and everyone goes out of their way to defy him.
I know the former players on this blog can look back on their careers and know exactly who I am talking about. We’ve all had that jackass on our team who thought he was in charge.
Screw that guy.
Cris Carter....you're dead to me.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 5, 2009 5:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
co-sign
"I got a fever. And the only prescription is more cowbell." -- Bruce Dickinson
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by silverblue5 on Jan 5, 2009 8:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that makes no sense
Then every player is a leader, and if every player is a leader, there are no leaders. Darren Woodson and Ray Lewis are great examples of elder statesmen who understand thoroughly the Xs and Os of the game, they would mentor all players who will listen, they (seem to) command respect and during games they put players in the right position to make plays. That’s a leader.
I don’t think James Harrison is a leader, I think he’s a gosh darn freak who had a ridiculous year playing for a good squad his efforts helped to make great. Ware played amazingly for a mediocre to occassionally bad squad he helped make less mediocre.
The Cowboys don’t really have mentors on Defense. No one has won. No one can say “do what I do and we’ll win.” Who is the heart and mind of the defense? Beats me. If Terence Newman thinks his finger pointing is equal to demanding accountability, he’s wrong. His play doesn’t back up his mouth. Same goes for all other guys.
I think ware is too young or meek to say, “Look at how hard i’m playing. I challenge you to go as hard as me as long as me.” Deny it if you like, but that’s the benefit of having a Ray Lewis on your roster. Ed Reed is his product. He developed his motor and mind. It’s RAy Lewis’ defense. He knows when players are tired or confused, and he’ll challenge them to push through it… to prepare more thoroughly and to build stamina and play with abandon.
It’s unfair for Ware to have to bear that mantle, because he could not be more different than Ray Lewis, and he’s still a young ball player.
by Joey2zs on Jan 6, 2009 2:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Guys have got to get themselves ready or go home
Nobody should have to push you. A team should feed off on another, that’s positive. But I dont understand why you need another man to get you ready to go do what you love to do.
Cris Carter....you're dead to me.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 6, 2009 6:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
So you have been in the locker room and personally observed Darren Woodson and Ray Lewis mentoring players? And we are just reading about this now? How did you conclude that they “seem to” command respect? Did you interview the other players or do you have some special power of observing through the television the emotional reactions of players to each other?
Did Ray Lewis really develop Ed Reed’s motor and mind? Did he major in psychology? Did Ed Reed tell you this? If Ed Reed is Ray Lewis’ product, who holds the patent? Is Ed Reed a real person or something Ray Lewis assembled in his garage over the summer? And what supernatural power does Ray Lewis have that he “knows” when players are tired or confused.
You write with such special insight and with one with great authority. Please share your sources with us.
by NCCowboy on Jan 6, 2009 7:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no but i have seen Ray call out play after play and get his guys in the right positions to succeed.
Do you doubt that knowing a specific pass play/blitz is coming might help Reed get in a better position to make a play ?
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
by stoproyce on Jan 6, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, I don't doubt that Ray Lewis is an intelligent football player.
There is a context to my reply that you are not aware of. But the subject of my reply is aware of it.
by NCCowboy on Jan 6, 2009 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What actually doesn't make sense is your statement
“…and if every player is a leader, there are no leaders.”
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 6, 2009 8:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
how does that not make sense? it makes perfect sense by definition not everyone can be a leader. just
like not everyone could be special of the term loses all meaning.
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
by stoproyce on Jan 6, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I couldn't agree more. No one seems to be capable of running this defense or smart enough. The only adjustments
I see being made are being made during halftime . A great defense has the intellects in the right positions to make those adjustments on the fly when they are the most effective. If you watched the Sd /Indy game you saw sd screwing with manninng and not calling their defenses until he’d made his audible. do we have anyone on this team capable of directing this defense this way? of diagnosing upcoming plays and making sure the right people are in the right places? of adjusting quickly and confidently to the situation?Ray Lewis could be the key to the evolution and education of some of the pieces of this defense. Its not like he can’t play. Could you imagine a lb corp of Ware,James ,RAy ray, and Spencer.
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
by stoproyce on Jan 6, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Off the subject.......
But whats up with Danny Amendola wanting to jet for the Eagles practice squad? Not that i really care, but i think he could have panned out in a couple of years.
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 5, 2009 5:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Eagles wanted Amendola, but he wanted to be here.
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 5, 2009 6:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh crap.... I didn't realize The Eagles signed him off our PS....
That sucks….I liked him. They are probably just signing him to a 2009 futures contract and not the active roster.
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 5, 2009 6:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
really
do you have the link.. I liked the guy want to wish him well, but can’t do that if he is with the Eagles.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Jan 5, 2009 6:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I did a google search and apparently the Eagles picked him up last week
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 5, 2009 6:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If there was a team to be a practice squad WR on
It is the Eagles.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Jan 5, 2009 7:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Eagles wanted him bad and he decided to come here after the draft.
I don’t blame him, because he may have a good chance to play considering they run the WC and that is perfect for his size and quickness.
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 5, 2009 7:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Practice squad wide receiver Danny Amendola is leaving the Cowboys for the Philadelphia Eagles. Amendola has reached an agreement to join the Eagles practice squad for the remainder of the playoffs.
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 5, 2009 8:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
can't blame him..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Jan 5, 2009 8:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not a smart move on his part
good luck trying to climb the ladder with their log-jam of slot receivers…
"I got a fever. And the only prescription is more cowbell." -- Bruce Dickinson
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by silverblue5 on Jan 5, 2009 8:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Harrison was definately the correct choice as Defensive Player of the Year
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
President - Garrett MUST GO campaign -
by BoyzRback on Jan 5, 2009 6:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
-1
Can’t agree with that…Look at his supporting cast. His supporting cast made him what he is. I wasn’t impressed with him when we played them. He was shut down most of the game until he switched sides and had a sack fumble against Colombo. Other than that he was a non-factor.
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 5, 2009 6:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Most dominant player on the most dominant D and he played special teams.
by squidlo97 on Jan 5, 2009 6:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah and what was Ware??
Defensive MVP is a individual award and has nothing to do with how dominant his defense was or if he plays special teams..lol
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 5, 2009 6:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not true. Best player on a bad team has to blow away the competition.
They have very similar numbers. Nobody blew the either away. I threw the special teams in cause it looks good a superstar kickass on special teams.
by squidlo97 on Jan 5, 2009 7:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if that was the case...
chris johnson is the MVP of the league…….
"They need security in the world, Craig!"
by Tuna Helper on Jan 5, 2009 7:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats what he said too. He wasnt even the best rookie RB.
by squidlo97 on Jan 5, 2009 7:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he is the best player on the best team tho...
and in my opinion, a better player than matt ryan……ryan wasn’t a pro-bowler…johnson was…which i feel like is a more prestiguous honor…..
"They need security in the world, Craig!"
by Tuna Helper on Jan 5, 2009 7:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, and i was smart enough to draft him in my fantasy league : )
::pats himself on the back::
"I got a fever. And the only prescription is more cowbell." -- Bruce Dickinson
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by silverblue5 on Jan 5, 2009 8:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you could agrue he was..
There were a game too were he was hot, but he was sharing carriers with Lendale. If they don’t put Lendale in for him vs. Detroit he rushes for 300 yds.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Jan 5, 2009 7:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
-1 not true
He was the best player on his team, but didn’t carry his team like Ware did. That is a MVP….Harrison without his supporting cast is average…Ware, for the most part did it on his own. He certainly didn’t get help from Canty…… and Ware went against the some of the best LT’s in the league, some right here in the NFC East.
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 5, 2009 7:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The award isn't Defensive MVP
but rather Defensive POY
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 6, 2009 8:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Regardless of who won the award,
Ware is the better talent and the better player. I will take Ware over Harrison anyday.
by houseofprime on Jan 5, 2009 6:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
even Harrison's own coach will admit that
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 6, 2009 7:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
harrison gets atleast 6 free sacks and 16 free tackles
he gets to play the browns and bengals 4 times a year that distorts his stats.. let me go check brb
What the French?! Toast!
by thebigham on Jan 5, 2009 7:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
ok i was wrong
9 solo 2 sacks in those 4 games… i think the argument about supporting cast holds alot of ground. Ware doesnt have an elite safety to watch his back or a deadly Dline. Troy P makes it easier for a DC to call more aggressive blitzes
What the French?! Toast!
by thebigham on Jan 5, 2009 7:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+100...I would like to see Harrison go against the NFC East twice a year
then lets see what kind of a player he is. He wasn’t impressive against us. I didn’t even know he was playing until late in the game when he swtiched sides and had the sack on Romo that he fumbled. Until that point he was owned by Flozell.
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 5, 2009 7:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
vs nfc east
wash-7 tackles 1.5 sacks
phi-2 tackles 0 sack
nyg-2 tackles 0
dal-6 tackles 1 sack
cincy and clev in 4 total games he had 2 sacks.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Jan 5, 2009 7:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was Harrison who,
broke Pacman’s neck. And he once crushed Roy WR Williams so hard when he tried to block and set the corner for Choice, Harrison blew him back off his feet into Choice to make the tackle. I realized then the Cowboys would lose because the Steelers were so physical and were just beating them up through the game.
He plays with insane aggression and abandon. he’s an animal. Are you guys such freaking homers you’re too blind to appreciate ONE OTHER PLAYER in the ENTIRE LEAGUE????
It’s HILARIOUS that you write, “I didn’t even know he was playing until late in the game when he swtiched sides and had the sack on Romo that he fumbled.” Didn’t know he was playing until he got a sack and forced fumble? Your statement actually proves the opposite point you mean it to. He changed the flow of a game that the Cowboys lost. I believe a rattled Romo choked up the game after that hit… wouldnt’ that be correct?
He had 9 tackles in that game and a sack, so I don’t know what game your keen eye was watching.
by Joey2zs on Jan 6, 2009 2:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
leaders, I think, ultimately lead by example....
every team has the guy who yells at people or gives the pregame speech….we have one of those….the leader is the guy who produces….period…in my opinion….
you’d like for the leader to be humble and a likable guy, but ultimately players respect what you do on the field…..we have those….they just need to do it more in crucial situations….ware almost always did that…..he could’ve done it more in the eagles game, but that doesn’t negate his play thoroughout the year…he was more than excellent…
"They need security in the world, Craig!"
by Tuna Helper on Jan 5, 2009 8:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The leadership thing
I don’t know if we need a vocal on field leader, but I wonder which players hold others accountable. The rah rah guy on the field isn’t necessarily the one who holds guys accountable during the week. We know Irvin was crazy – challenging players to work harder, calling them out, etc. Unless you are close to the team, you don’t know whether this team has that guy.
Anyone ever play with rah rah guys who sucked but still preached? Those guys are the worst.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 5, 2009 9:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm disappointed he lost, but
it wasn’t a landslide. He’s one of the NFL’s best and most people (even the media) recognize that.
If anything, it should be something to build upon in 2009.
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by Nelson... on Jan 5, 2009 9:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
colt mccoy is a beast
just wanted to say that
Superbowl or Bust?
by MrMinority on Jan 5, 2009 10:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 6, 2009 8:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Alright Ima catch some heat for this...
But I’m an Ohio St fan and that roughing the passer call right before Colt’s TD run was complete garbage. I think had they not gotten that, they kick a FG and we’re talking about a different game. However, props to the Horns. We definitely couldn’t keep up with that no huddle offense, we barely even lined up before the ball was snapped…Plenty of Ifs, Ands, and Buts but I’m not that kind of fan… At least we didn’t get smoked like usual in BCS games…
by AikmanNailedMySis on Jan 6, 2009 9:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ware is a beast, but I'd much rather...
have Ware with ten sacks, and the Cowboys controlling the ball for 40 minutes every game. Our offense gave Ware many more chances to sack someone than should have been the case.
Family, Friends, Cowboys, BBQ. Life is good!
by CowboyMan on Jan 6, 2009 1:33 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ware
Ware acknowledged that the Cowboys’ playoff absence probably hurt his case. Pittsburgh’s James Harrison won the award, finishing with nine more votes than Ware.
Ware finished 2.5 sacks short of Michael Strahan’s league record (22.5) for sacks in a season and by his count he missed at least six in 2008.
“A legit six,” he said, "where maybe I would jump on the guy’s back and try and knock the ball out instead of tackling him. I missed [Washington’s Jason] Campbell twice, [Philadelphia’s Donovan] McNabb twice, [Pittsburgh’s Ben] Roethlisberger once and the San Francisco quarterback [Shaun Hill) when he had a screen pass and I backed off.
“I remember, believe me. I remember every single one of them.”
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 6, 2009 11:11 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
#94 is a straight-up beast. a meticulous machine. an intense competitor. a tireless worker.
"I got a fever. And the only prescription is more cowbell." -- Bruce Dickinson
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by silverblue5 on Jan 6, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cap
Some of that money will be eaten up by incentives (like the $1 million Zach Thomas received) but the Cowboys figure to have around $10 million when free agency begins in March.
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 6, 2009 11:14 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
That money should be spent on LB Karlos Dansby, DE- Julius Peppers, FS-Oshi Atogwe
one of them….any of them….all of them
cut
Roy Williams
Anthony Henry
Barbie Carpenter
Greg Ellis
Zack Thomas
and that cap space goes up to about 20 million under the cap…enough to afford all or at least two of those three above named players, and extend contracts to Demarcus Ware.
By signing Peppers, we wouldn’t need to resign Canty or Bowen, saving more money..
By signing Dansby, we wouldn’t need to use a high draft pick on LB..Provides a major upgrade to middle LB…James and Dansby would be awesome..Zack and Barbie would be gone…
By signing Atogwe, we can cut both Henry and R Williams, saving tons of cash, and finally lock up our long needed Safety spots for the next 5 years, Hamlin moves to his natural SS position. Safety would no longer be a high priority need in the draft.
or spend some of that on OL help of OT/OG-Jordan Gross and/or OG-Mike Goff…This would be to take over the LG spot, moving Kosier to back up for his final season, proving excellent depth with Kosier, Holland, and Free, would also make OL less of a high draft priority……*note- Jordan Gross is a natural LT, and better than Flo, but can be moved into LG spot for a season or two, and then eventually take over for Flo long term…and yes Gross would make an excellent OG….excellent strength, agility, and ability to pull and block down field.
By signing two of any aforementioned players, It would make our draft process that much easier, allowing the Cowboys to select “The Best Available Player” either more LB depth, OL depth, Safety depth, QB, or NT……Best ranked player at pick #50, regardless of position….
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by BoyzRback on Jan 6, 2009 1:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
sounds good to me, too easy ,but i'd take that scenario in a heartbeat especially if
Peppers is removed from the scenario and replaced with gross. I doubt that could happen realistically and still leaves us with BJ or Bolinger.
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by stoproyce on Jan 6, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually like this
No outrageous moves, nothing too flashy. Just solid players for a championship run. We need more of those than we do stars. God knows we have enough that don’t deliver.
But…what about reupping Ware?
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by accidental innuendo on Jan 6, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the cuts except Henry..I would add T.O and pac-rat(that would be a statement of CHANGE)
since we’re so thin at the safety position, I’d keep him one more year as a stop gap.
Dallas should have around ten million of cap space, so I really don’t see a big name free agent being signed. I think Dallas will try to work out a deal with Canty if its a fair deal and sign a second tier linebacker. I don’t see any big money names being signed during free agency, especially Peppers, who isn’t an end in the 3-4, IMO. I think the cardinals will resign Dansby. I like Oshiomogho Atogwe, but again I tink he resigns with ST Louis and I dont’ see dallas putting more big money at the safety position
by Deke on Jan 6, 2009 3:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
First off...I'd like to thank Grizz for deleting Terry's comments.....cuz I'm pretty sure he knew I was gonna tear him up...
and I’m trying to play nice……I wouldn’t list a player by position if he was unable to perform at that position, regardless of scheme….Julius Peppers IS a Defensive End….ok…I played the position for several years, I am well aware of it’s responsibilities, and the physical attributes needed to succeed at said position….
As some would like to form their own opinions on how a 3-4 DE, and a 4-3 DE differ, and how they perform their tasks, and how they should be physically and structurally put together…..
Peppers IS NOT like WARE, and he wouldn’t lose weight to play OLBin a 3-4…..but I bet your azz HE COULD……..IF ELLIS could….damn straight Peppers could…
IF anything bringing Peppers here would require him to beef up a little bit to enhance his bulk against the run…..HE could do that….BUT he’s fine right where he is…..He is actually a 3-4 DE playing in a 4-3 Defense in Carolina……Excels against both the run and pass, and takes on double teams regularly…..And to save time for those of you who may diagree with my assessment, and say he’s a 4-3 DE, and that’s it, because he isn’t fat/big enough, isn’t bulky enough….yet the bulky, slow, unproductive DE’s we have here already in Dallas are your idea of a prototypical DE in a 3-4 scheme…don’t even bother coming at me with that………Julius Peppers is thee ideal DE in a 3-4 scheme….period….If anyone here can find a more productive playmaker that’s bigger than him at the 3-4 DE spot…please feel free to list them…
In fact…I’ll take the time out to actually LIST other 3-4 starting DE’s in the NFL for the people that may be slightly misinformed to what size a real 3-4 DE should be…
Juluis Peppers_Carolina – 6’7" 285lbs -- 51 Tackles , 14.5 Sacks , 5 Forced Fumbles
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Keisel – Pittsburgh _ 6’5" 285lbs
Pryce – Baltimore _ 6’5" 290lbs
Douglas_Baltimore_ 6’2" 292lbs
Langford_Miami_ 6’6" 290lbs
Holliday_Miami_ 6’5" 285lbs
Merling_Miami_ 6’4" 290lbs
Dotson_Miami_ 6’4" 290lbs
Smith_San Fran_ 6’4" 285lbs
McDonald_San Fran_6’3" 290lbs
ok….well…I think I proved my point…btw —Julius Peppers is more athletic, faster, and by far the most dominant among all defensive linemen in the league…..He would completely transform our Defense into one of the most feared pass rush teams of all time…..and before you go ahead and say we can’t afford him….guess again…..re read my post and you have the answers….we can affors anyone in free agency……Does this mean any of this may come true ?…nope…..but it’s January , and I got 4 months to kill before the draft…
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by BoyzRback on Jan 6, 2009 11:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I say Cut Roy and Zach
Grab Bart Scott and a FA QB. I like Atogwe, how much money will he command?
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by Wmillion on Jan 6, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Doesnt Peppers basically play the same position as Ware. I just dont see Gross being available.
Atogwe is a good target but get ready for a bidding war with the Saints and a few others if he is freed..
by squidlo97 on Jan 6, 2009 5:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he could play OLB and excel..
he could lose about 15 pounds and be even quicker..
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by Wmillion on Jan 6, 2009 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats what Ware plays on the same side. Do we ditch Spencer if we move someone.
Our defense showed signs of dominance. We lead the league in sacks. Our problem was safety not pass rush. We need a NT or true 3-4 end if we dont sign Canty.
by squidlo97 on Jan 6, 2009 5:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Peppers??
Do we really want to spend two years teaching him the 3-4 olb position?
Cardinals won’t lose dansby. And if they do, it’ll be to someone who grossly overpays.
One thing that the media somehow doesn’t understand about this team – we don’t just go out and sign tons of free agents every year. Our only major free agent addition in the last 2 or 3 years has been TO. I don’t see that changing now with the cap issues we have/will have once we resign ware. And in this situation, we’d be signing big money guys. Those 3 players are among the cream of the FA crop, i can hardly see us getting one of them let alone all 3. Peppers is gonna get one monster contract.
I’d like to see PacMan, Carpenter cut. Henry either moved to Safety full time if we think he cna do it or cut. I’d like to keep ellis another season for depth purposes, but start looking for some more depth at olb in the draft so we can release him next year. Draft a safety too for depth purposes/maybe overtaking henry for the starting job.
by foyesboys on Jan 7, 2009 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am with cutting Pac
I say keep Barbie for depth at least throgh camp.. Move Henry and look for a decent FA replacement for Pac-man. There are some decent CB’s out there.
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by Wmillion on Jan 7, 2009 5:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
our cb position looks like a strength even without pacman
Jenkins and Scandrick were fantastic this year. But yea, I guess we need to look for another cb since newman is obviously injury prone. Doesn’t need to be a big money guy though
by foyesboys on Jan 7, 2009 5:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you move Henry and cut Pac
Newman
Jenkins
Scandrick
Ball
?
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by Wmillion on Jan 7, 2009 5:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are the coaches still high on Ball?
I remember hearing Wade say that a few times last year. I’m guessing they’re not anymore.
Yea we’d be a little green at cb. I’d be for signing a veteran for depth purposes.
If we could find a solid safety in the draft or free agency to play next to hamlin, i’d feel a lot better about our cbs entering their sophomore year.
by foyesboys on Jan 7, 2009 5:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
they like Ball
He looked good in spot duty, but got hurt.
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by Wmillion on Jan 7, 2009 11:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Carp is under contract and we don't have enough depth at LB as it is. Why cut him?? There's no one to replace him
by kameleon_o on Jan 7, 2009 6:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Signing a FA CB to replace Pac and Henry would probably be more expensive than keeping them
Pac is cheap. No sense in getting rid of him unless he gets in trouble. Keep Henry and just start Jenkins. Henry makes for a great backup. Unless it’s going to save a lot of cap space that’ll allow us to get someone to replace him then just keep him.
by kameleon_o on Jan 7, 2009 6:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
good point about Ware
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by stoproyce on Jan 6, 2009 2:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Will you guys forget about Peppers, please
Number one it’s not happening, and number two there is no fit there.
I wouldn’t pay Jay-z money to somebody, to play a position he has never played.
Spencer will start, we need to draft a situational rusher to take Ellis’ snaps since he’s probably gone.
Can we let Spencer play, please? Damn, how many first round picks do you want to waste at linebacker? Spencer is fine. He’s not a weakness. Let’s patch up the weaknesses before we go buy toys. Preferably via the draft, not free agency.
Cris Carter....you're dead to me.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 6, 2009 7:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It is a pipe dream
I know there is no way we get JP..
I agree we need OLB depth.. Is there any undersized pass rushers they may slip we can steal? Trent Cole or Elvis Dummervil type?
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by Wmillion on Jan 6, 2009 8:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
elvis dumervil
could work
maybe vonnie holliday but i dont think hes a free agent
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by MrMinority on Jan 6, 2009 8:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes he is....
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by BoyzRback on Jan 7, 2009 12:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Peppers would replace Canty...not Spencer.....
He’s a legit 3-4 DE…not an OLB…
sure it may not happen…but some team is going to pay him……why not us ??
OLB Ware- ILB James- ILB Dansby- OLB Spencer
DE Ratliff-NT Spears-DE Peppers
ok…..beat that front seven….wooo hoooo
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by BoyzRback on Jan 7, 2009 12:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Peppers would be giving up a lot of sacks
by moving to a 5 technique. That’s a big sacrifice for a big name
Cris Carter....you're dead to me.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 7, 2009 4:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He'd still produce sacks (8-12)...more so than any 3-4 DE in the league..for sure..
I know it’s not gonna happen….He’ll be getting 12-14 million a year from some team……just dreaming..
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by BoyzRback on Jan 7, 2009 11:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like it, and im sure we're all a little biased
Still. Take harrison away from pitt and they’re slightly less dominant. Take ware away from us and we’re incapable of stopping 2/3 of the offenses in the league.
by foyesboys on Jan 7, 2009 5:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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