TO Still at Top 10 Wideout?
by Wmillion on Jan 6, 2009 4:43 PM CST
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I know TO isn’t going anywhere and he is a valuable asset to this franchise. I am not the biggest fan of his personality, but he is capable of putting up big time numbers any season? Before the season the blog basically agreed he was either TO or Moss was the best WR in the league. After another season in the books, where do you rank him? Below I give my top 10 rankings. Where does TO fit in to your Top 10 Rankings?
- 1. Andre Johnson
- 2. Calvin Johnson
- 3. Steve Smith
- 4. Randy Moss
- 5. Larry Fitzgerald
- 6. Anquan Boldin
- 7. Brandon Marshall
- 8. Reggie Wayne
- 9. Terrell Owens
- 10. Roddy White
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I'd say you have it about right.
You know you just started another blog fight between T.O. defenders and T.O. bashers.
by houseofprime on Jan 6, 2009 4:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hope his popcorn is ready
"Losers assemble in little groups and bitch about the coaches and the system and other players in other little groups. Winners assemble as a team."
- Bill Parcells
by Taylor on Jan 6, 2009 5:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, he isn’t.
1. Andre Johnson
2. Steve Smith
3. Larry Fitzgerald
4. Calvin Johnson
5. Randy Moss
6. Anquan Boldin
7. Brandon Marshall
8. Reggie Wayne
9. Roddy White
10. Greg Jennings
11. Wes Welker
12. T.O.
A case could be made for Antonio Bryant being better than T.O. now also.
by Beasticon on Jan 6, 2009 5:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't put Welker ahead of T.O.
because if Welker was your number 1 WR you would see a drop off in his numbers.
by houseofprime on Jan 6, 2009 5:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
You line welker up on the outside, where he has to fight off jams, and he is not catching 100 balls..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Jan 6, 2009 5:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But TO Can't Play Slot
His hand reaction time is too slow and his hands are stone. Welker is a more valuable player at this point thanks to pure consistency.
by GhostofGaryHogeboom on Jan 9, 2009 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wasted blod post.....TO is top 10....who gives a crap where you slot him....top 10 out of 86 WR's that usually play....I'll take that..
IF he played in Houston, Arizona, Carolina. NE, NO, Denver….He would put up the same or better numbers than the #1’s on each team…….NO other team as the assortment of weapons on their rosters that the Cowbys do………OF COURSE his total numbers won’t beat out many teams where they are relying on a one horse pony WR show…………don’t get it twisted !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by BoyzRback on Jan 7, 2009 12:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Arizona doesnt rely on a one hore pony WR show
The have Boldin and Fitz, although I think TO is better than Both those guys
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 7, 2009 12:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
T.O. isn't better than Fitzy
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 7, 2009 7:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to disagree with you on that
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 7, 2009 8:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fitzgerald is amazing
best hands in NFL by far
by Beasticon on Jan 7, 2009 8:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
best hands, maybe
Best WR- no
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 7, 2009 8:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he’s top 3 for sure. Andre Johnson, Steve Smith and Fitz.
by Beasticon on Jan 7, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Id say the top three would be in no particular order
1. Andre Johnson
2. Calvin Johnson
3. Steve Smith
They are the only WRs I would take over TO
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 8, 2009 1:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take Fitzy over T.O. in a heartbeat
wouldn’t have to think about it at all.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 7, 2009 9:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well I would to if you took age into consideration
but if you are talking who is the best WR right now, I would still say TO
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 7, 2009 9:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Best out of those two
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 7, 2009 9:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm looking at who I'd rather have
as my #1 WR on my team and regardless of age consideration, it would be Fitzy hands down. (no pun intended)
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 7, 2009 9:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Alright well I guess we just disagree
Because the only two guys I would for sure take before TO would be Calvin Johnson and Andre Johnson
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 7, 2009 9:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd probably take Reggie Wayne as well
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 7, 2009 10:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Have yo seen Reggie lately?
No thanks.
Cris Carter....you're dead to me.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 7, 2009 6:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, last time I saw him
he was torching SDs secondary which he does to most secondaries in the league.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 8, 2009 8:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what when Cromartie fell asleep
and was looking towards the sideline when the ball was snapped?
Cris Carter....you're dead to me.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 8, 2009 4:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm DEFINITELY taking Fitz over T.O. In a freakin' heartbeat
by AikmanNailedMySis on Jan 7, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take
Boldin over him as well
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by what_the_crap on Jan 7, 2009 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
id take boldin before fitz
but id take TO over both of them
by longhorn3621 on Jan 8, 2009 2:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree about Owens
but Boldin over Fitz? I dont know about that.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 8, 2009 3:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And BAggage into Consideration
TO creates drama which did hurt our team no matter what anyone says i go with fitz
by rioplayer7 on Jan 7, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
FIRST OFF....I didn't say TO was better than anyone listed....
I said if he was the #1 WR on anyone of those teams, he would put up the same or better numbers than anyone of those mentioned…..I also believe Fitzgerald is one of thee top WR’s in the NFL, he’s actually my favorite WR, and i’ve been following him since his freshman year in college….so where you got I said TO is better than Fitz,, I have no idea…I will say TO is bigger, faster, and stronger than Fitz…and I wouldn’t be wrong…..so once again….IF you think there is some true fire way of actually ranking players 1-10…..I’d sure love to know your formula……cuz it’s purely a matter of preference…statistics don’t prove a damn thing….it’s a team sport people….it takes 10 other players on the field doing their jobs and executing to make a player shine…This isn’t baseball…..and even baseball has it’s ways of altering a guys at bats…and overall statistical numbers…..so like i stated above….this post is merely a popularity contest…hence…useless to determining an actual clear cut ranking system…
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
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by BoyzRback on Jan 7, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dallas Clark is as much of a centrepeice to them as Witten is to us
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 7, 2009 8:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not to mention their WRs
are obviously better than ours. They actually get open, run good routes and catch the ball.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 7, 2009 9:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Our WR get open,
Those in Indy just have a qb that is able to throw to open WR instead of defenders
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 7, 2009 9:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not true at all
If Romo had Indy’s WRs and OL he could have won MVP as well.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 7, 2009 9:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Romo was Peyton Manning
We’d make the playoffs
by Beasticon on Jan 7, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
Given his limited mobility, Manning would have been injured much more than Romo behind our OL.
Manning has been protected very well throughout his career and the few times he hasn’t been, he’s sucked.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 7, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Manning has never sucked
The Cowboys would make the playoffs with Manning because he isn’t turnover prone and wouldn’t lose games.
by Beasticon on Jan 7, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sucked might not be the word,
but he wasn’t great when he first came into the league. It wasn’t until they surrounded him with a good line and weopons that he blossomed. He had 23 and 28 picks in two of his first four years, which would have been the highest total in the league this year.
by Mandmeisterx on Jan 7, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Romo didn't lose any games either
except for the Pittbsurgh game, but you can’t fault him entirely for the others.
Manning couldn’t get us in the playoffs because he would need a good OL and receivers who could get open on a consistent basis like he has in Indy. That didn’t exsist in Dallas this season.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 7, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Manning were in Dallas
He’d make our line and WRs look better, and wed be discussing our divisional matchup right now instead of this
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 8, 2009 1:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
how could Manning make our OL look better?
Thats ludicrous, he’s 100 times more immobile than Romo and his release isn’t any quicker.
How does a QB make WRs look good when they don’t run great routes? News flash..they don’t.
Manning isn’t as great as you think he is..don’t get me wrong he’s really good, but he’s not that good. He needs good players around him playing well to succeed just like every other qb.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 8, 2009 8:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Manning is more accurate than Romo which makes his WR's routes seem better
And he has better ball control, and is very good at subtle movemments in the pocket which make his o-line seem better
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 8, 2009 8:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thats complete BS
and makes no sense whatsoever.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 8, 2009 9:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Manning has mastered those subtle moves, sliding up or to the side to buy time
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Jan 10, 2009 9:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah what doesnt make sense about that Terry?
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 10, 2009 9:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
still needs a relatively clean pocket to do so
Romo manuevers around the pocket well but not when its a jailbreak, Manning can’t do that either
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 11, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Manning is 100x the decision maker Romo is...
making his whole team look better
by AikmanNailedMySis on Jan 8, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he is good with his decisions
but SD dropped 4-5 int’s last weekend.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Jan 8, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't say 100x
Guess you forgot the Gb game this year where he threw 3 INTs, 2 of which were pick 6s.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 8, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, maybe only 99x better. lol
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 9, 2009 6:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely Correct
Peyton Manning would bring to the Dallas Cowboys Leadership, a culture of accountability and a desire to win that would make everyone on the offense better. All of those things were sorely lacking with this season’s version of the Cowboys. You put Peyton Manning on this team for all of 2008 and we are the #1 seed playing at Texas Stadium Sunday. Payton Manning would make perhaps 5-8 teams the #1 seed, not just Dallas. He is that good.
To equate Tony Romo to Peyton Manning is crazy. The difference is enormous. The comparison of quarterbacks can’t be done by simply looking at statistics. Manning’s decision making is far quicker and superior to Romo’s. He provides Leadership and accountability. Manning, like all great quarterbacks, finds a way to cover his team’s shortcomings. For example, if the offensive line was having trouble protecting the quarterback, Manning would get rid of the ball instead of compounding the problem by running around trying to make a play.
Quite honestly, I find it amazing that this argument is even taking place.
by Cowboy Louie on Jan 9, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The argument isn't that Romo is as good as Manning
The argument is that Manning would somehow put the Cowboys in the playoffs which is laughable to me.
I don’t care how great of a leader Manning is, he still needs his OL to block for him and needs his receivers to get open and catch the ball.
Manning isn’t God and his infinite powers aren’t as great as you think, otherwise his team wouldn’t have losing record in playoff games if he is indeed Jesus in cleats.
Romo’s play wasn’t the reason the Cowboys missed the playoffs, they didn’t make it for various reasons and Romo’s flaws are about 5th or 6th on that list.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 9, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Peyton = Houdini?
Peyton is a good QB, with a losing playoff record..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Jan 9, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sure does!
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Jan 9, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so does
Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson and Jeff Hostetler, so whats your point?
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 9, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A ring is a ring is a ring
I’d rather the Cowboys win a Super Bowl with a bus driver (which seems to be the derogatory term du jour for quarterbacks) than not win a Super Bowl while Romo posts great stats.
Do you think Giants fans or Ravens fans or Bucs fans don’t count those Vince Lombardi trophies because the qbs were less than stellar?
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Jan 10, 2009 9:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One-shot wonders
We’re trying to build something more than that here in Dallas. Dynasty or bust for Jerry Jones.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 11, 2009 10:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's see this team win a playoff game, oops, let me rephrase, make the playoffs, before we talk about dynasties
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Jan 11, 2009 5:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1000
I don’t give a damn what he’s trying to build. I loved T.O. for saying at the beginning of the season on NFL Network after one of the games (forget which one…) Emmitt asked him about team goals trying to coax something big out of T.O. and he just said, I WANT TO WIN A PLAYOFF GAME!!! Baby steps…
by AikmanNailedMySis on Jan 12, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Louie...right on the money again.....
Peyton would have went 13-3 or better with this same squad….and we would have averages 34 a game…as opposed to 24
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
President - Garrett MUST GO campaign -
by BoyzRback on Jan 10, 2009 1:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Now you sound like Romo
Carrie is cool, but I bet Jessica is better.. :)
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Jan 10, 2009 10:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bryant needs a few more seasons like this one...
by AikmanNailedMySis on Jan 7, 2009 7:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TO is not a top 10 anymore.....
Greg Jennings pushes him out…And where is TJ and Chad in this…sorry I’m throwing TJ above TO so that definately pushes him out. TO is on the decline fellows…..get used to it…
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 7, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TJ and Chad
I used to think Chad was better then TJ, but now I am not so sure..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Jan 7, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TJ is a beast...too bad he is on a bad team...
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 7, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
do they keep him or let him go?
I couldn’t imagine then letting him go and getting nothing for him..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Jan 7, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They will probably resign him....Chad is on his way out at some point
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 7, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I read that they were not going to franchise him
And he doesnt want to return
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 8, 2009 1:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of votes so far for outside of the top 10...
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Jan 6, 2009 5:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That list is about right
I’d probably push Reggie Wayne out of that list.
Cris Carter....you're dead to me.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 6, 2009 5:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Greg Jennings instead?
I was debating if Romo is dropping back who want him to be throwing to.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Jan 6, 2009 5:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I could live with Jennings there
but that Antonio Bryant thing is a joke. One good season in his whole damn life, now he’s in the top 10? I dont think so.
Cris Carter....you're dead to me.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 6, 2009 7:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
really?
I think Wayne is easily a top 3 WR in the league
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 7, 2009 7:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not sure
He has good hands, but not great speed, good route runner.. I think his stats have a lot do with Peyton.. Calvin getting it done with Kitna and Ovlosky, I don’t see Reggie getting putting stats like Calvin without Peyton..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Jan 7, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think its the other way around
He makes Manning look good at times and his speed is much better than you think.
If he played for us and Romo was protected, he could easily put up those kind of numbers here.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 7, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Marvin harrison
Also, make peyton look good? What about Anthony Gonzalez or Dallas Clark. There is a reason Indy seems to never draft a bust on O. Peyton is that good.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Jan 7, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely
Manning’s receivers are all very good and get open all the time making his job much easier.
You put Manning behind an average Ol with average WRs and he’ll become average too, a qb is only as good as the players that surround him and thats true for any qb.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 7, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
-1
A great qb makes everyone around him better, and thats what Manning does
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 8, 2009 1:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think this agument depends on what you are rating
If you are saying who had the best season last year, no way TO is in the top 10, but if you are just rating all the WR in the league, which I think it is, I would put TO at 4 or 5.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 6, 2009 6:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1
Cris Carter....you're dead to me.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 6, 2009 7:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
my thinking..
if you are just rating all the WR in the league, which I think it is, I would put TO at 4 or 5.
If I could chose a WR to pair with Romo..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Jan 6, 2009 7:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TO is a Declining Talent
He has lost a step; he is timid over the middle; he does not want to put his head down and plow ahead; he continues a lifetime of drops; more than a few times he failed to run a precise and timely route, and then there is the drama. TO is a posterchild for this football team; underachieving and overpaid.
by Iowacowboy on Jan 6, 2009 8:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
with that said where do you rank him?
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Jan 6, 2009 8:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
4 or 5
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 8, 2009 1:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lost a step?
do you watch the games, or just listen to ESPN radio?
Cris Carter....you're dead to me.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 6, 2009 10:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 6, 2009 10:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
step lost
I think he has lost a little quickness, but not his top end speed. He seems easier to jam at the line. Of course, he is 35.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 6, 2009 11:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree there he isn't as quck, but the top end spend is still the deal.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Jan 6, 2009 11:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i predict that TO works harder this offseason than anyone we have ever seen
he is going to come out and have his best year so far as a cowboy
by longhorn3621 on Jan 8, 2009 2:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope so
but the man already works harder than anyone else in the NFL. I dont know how much more he can do
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 8, 2009 3:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe a bit too far
He’s lost a little bit. He’s no scrub by any stretch, but if you look carefully, he has begun his decline.
In-YOUR-endo
by accidental innuendo on Jan 7, 2009 7:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What about that catch against Cincy?
Did you see him fighting all the way across the field and into the endzone? He will still fight for the ball. What about that one down the sideline against Pittsburgh (or was it NYG?) No mention of his downfield blocking on running plays, either, where he is very agressive.
by mrbelk on Jan 7, 2009 8:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 7, 2009 8:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
top 10 yes
top 3 no
throughout his career he’s been one of the best
yea, he’s getting old, and slower/weaker
but he’s still the best threat we have at wideout
until roy e. proves himself next year then t.o. remains our #1 wr
i’d rank him maybe 4th or 5th
"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips
by MrMinority on Jan 6, 2009 9:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
T.O. is a top 10 WR in the league
however, he isn’t elite anymore,his route running is just awful and he never had great hands.
As a pure athlete, he has no peers, but it takes a lot more than athletic ability and great spped to be an elite NFL WR.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 6, 2009 9:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
how is a top ten WR in the NFL not elite?
thats like an oxymoron saying that someone is a top ten guy but isnt elite. is the tenth richest guy in the world not really that rich?
by longhorn3621 on Jan 8, 2009 2:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That is completely different.
being in the richest 10 people in a world consisting of more than 6 billion peolpe is different to being in the to ten of 64 starting WRs. So I understand what Terry is saying, but I still think that TO is elite
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 8, 2009 3:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well Romo is easily a top 10 qb in the league
but I’m the only one saying he is elite. I think in most fans minds, elite is being top 5 at your position.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 8, 2009 8:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
again that depends on position.
There are 32 starting qbs in the league, so it makes sense that because there are twice as many starting WR that there should be more elite WR than elite qbs. I think top 5 for qbs and maybe top 10 for WR
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 8, 2009 8:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think
Moss isn’t the 4th best …. talent wise, maybe, but after he dog’d it in Oakland, I lost a lot of respect for him.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by what_the_crap on Jan 6, 2009 10:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
most players careers die in oakland
He just put his career in hibernation.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Jan 6, 2009 11:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that's
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by what_the_crap on Jan 7, 2009 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I meant to say that's true .... but I'm dumb and can't type.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by what_the_crap on Jan 7, 2009 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Moss has been the best receiver in the NFL during his career
I think he is still top 5
by Beasticon on Jan 7, 2009 8:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Everybody who voted got it right.
Hes in the 7-10 range.
by houseofprime on Jan 6, 2009 11:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Id say 3-5
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 7, 2009 12:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No Braylon Edwards?
This guy was so highly spoken of last year. And this year — nothing!
In-YOUR-endo
by accidental innuendo on Jan 7, 2009 9:10 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well he only had 3 TDs and he lead the league in drops
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 7, 2009 9:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Last year I would say he was a top 5, but after this season.....he isn't a top 10...he should be though...
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 7, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, physically he is a beast, but he dropped too many balls.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Jan 7, 2009 10:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This year he was the TO of last year...
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 7, 2009 11:06 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
He only had 3 TDs this year, TO had 15!
A quick comparison.
2008 Edwards: 55 recs, 873 yards, 3 TDs
2007 Owens: 81 recs, 1355 yards, 15 TDs
And that was with TO only playing 14 1/2 games. So yeah, Braylon Edwards was nothing like the TO of last year.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 8, 2009 1:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1 aussie
saying edwards this year is TO last year, the year before, or his 12 yr old pee wee league year is the dumbest thing you could say. he has never been that bad
by longhorn3621 on Jan 8, 2009 2:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh...so these player ranking change from year to year based on stats alone???
you guys must do great in fantasy….cuz you’ll livin’ one…
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President - Garrett MUST GO campaign -
by BoyzRback on Jan 7, 2009 11:13 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Braylon Edwards should be a top ten without question based on his talent and what he did last year
but…..he only did it one season…..These other WR’s like Moss, Wayne, Andre, Fitz have been consistantly good.
TO is bigger and stronger than Fitz, but he is not faster than him…..no way…maybe 4 or 5 years ago, but not now..
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 7, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not so sure about bigger and stronger even
Fitzy is a beast, followed up close as a Pitt season ticket holder throughout his college career, haven’t seen too many players that were as strong and physical as him at WR position.
He only lacks blazing speed which is the only thing T.O. has over him IMO.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 7, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Listed same height, Fitz is heavier
my money is TO benches more and is faster.. Larry has better hands and a greater vertical jump..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Jan 7, 2009 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
T.O. is definitely faster
I don’t think they’re are any WRs in the league faster than T.O. in pads.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 7, 2009 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TO is not faster than Fitz right now..no way...
Maybe 4 or 5 years ago, but not now……
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 7, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not true Boyz
T.O. is way faster than Fitzy and it isn’t even close. T.O. might run poor routes, drop balls and mouth off to the press, but he is a true speed merchant, thats for sure.
Fitzy was never fast, going back to the days when I watched him at Pitt. If Fitzy had speed, he’s easily the best WR in the game today.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 7, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 8, 2009 1:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you kidding me?
No way in hell Fitzgerald is faster then T.O.
by houseofprime on Jan 7, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fitzgerald is slow.
Cris Carter....you're dead to me.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 7, 2009 6:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
rankings of players, teams, orgainizations
Are consisitenly in flux. This isn’t a Hall of fame debate and the body of works means everything.. Players improve and decline from season to season..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Jan 7, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just for fun...
Here’s my top 10 for NEXT season…
10. Terrell Owens
9. DeSean Jackson (and GOD I HATED WRITING THIS)
8. Plaxico Burress (contingent on his trigger finger)
7. Brandon Marshall
6. Roddy White (as Ryan improves)
5. Reggie Wayne
4. Randy Moss (if Brady is back, still on the list, though, with Cassel supposedly being franchised)
3. Larry Fitzgerald (only this low b/c I don’t see the Cards blowing up again)
2. Andre Johnson
1. Calvin Johnson
by AikmanNailedMySis on Jan 7, 2009 11:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think youre over-rating Plax and Jackson
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 8, 2009 1:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe kinda sort of...
Plax is good because he’s the only great receiver on that team, but who knows what he’ll be doing next year. With Jackson, again, his other receivers are hurt but I’ve watched him blow by so many corners, even when they know he’s going deep. If he gets his head out of his rear-end and just plays football, I honestly think he could be amazing. Very Steve Smith-like. Plus he’s got great return abilities. I know the Vikings punt coverage sucks, but he certainly didn’t do them any favors last weekend…
by AikmanNailedMySis on Jan 8, 2009 7:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My top 14.....
1. Andre Johnson
2. Brandon Marshall
3. Larry Fitzgerald
4. Calvin Johnson
5. Randy Moss
6. Steve Smith
7. Reggie Wayne
8. A. Boldin
9. TJ who’s your mama!
11.Greg Jennings
12.Terrell Owens
13. Plaxico Buress
14. Roddy White.
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 7, 2009 11:50 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Brandon Marshall?
Come on no way he dropped off big towards the end of the year and played in a real weak pass defense division with the chargers raiders and san diego they all had some of the worst pass defenses
by rioplayer7 on Jan 7, 2009 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oops..top 13
was juggling around the players…..
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 7, 2009 11:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
......I'm pushing TO down one more spot to 12...Edwards is the 10th guy on my list...
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 7, 2009 12:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
2007 Braylon or 2008 Braylon? haha. big difference
Including the guy throwing him the ball…
by AikmanNailedMySis on Jan 7, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
with that said
I would take him in a straight trade for TO..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Jan 7, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
2007 Edwards top 5...this year.....not in the top 10, but I think he will be a top 10 again in 2009
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 7, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
brady quinn is more accurate then Anderson..
He will have more on target oppurtunties..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Jan 7, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude is this '09 fantasy football pre draft consultation ??
cuz it doesn’t mean a damn thing….you guys and your list….TO is the TOP WR on our team….and THAT is all that matters…….
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
President - Garrett MUST GO campaign -
by BoyzRback on Jan 7, 2009 8:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
no, but it's a league-wide receiver discussion...
we’re discussing…
by AikmanNailedMySis on Jan 8, 2009 7:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
I would rather have Bolden or Fitzgerald than T.O.
I’m sick of his press conferences, sick of the media swarming around him, sick of him talking, sick of him being what he thinks is a leader on this team. I’m tired of T.O. and I’m tired of him being a Dallas Cowboy. He’s one of the reasons people hate this team.
Michael Irvin, he is not.
And I don’t care if the media promotes his negativity on the team. It’s still annoying and I will always tire of hearing his complaints. Teams don’t need star WRs to be successful, just productive ones.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 8, 2009 10:02 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1
Honestly I’d trade TO for any other receiver on the initial list (throw in TJ WhosYourMama while your at it).
Garrett needs to get a clue!
by BulletBob on Jan 8, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would agree..
They either younger or just plain better at this point.. Maybe even Greg Jennings.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Jan 8, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that swapping TO for one of these WR would be a good long term decision
but to say they are all “just plain better” is just plain wrong
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 9, 2009 6:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes, but 8 of them in my opionon are just plain better.
Jennings, White, and TJ are on his heels..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Jan 9, 2009 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Id only say 3 or 4
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 9, 2009 10:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone who says
they would rather have T.O. than Fitzgerald is smoking crack. Fitzgerald is arguably the best receiver in the NFL and definitely has the best hands. That dude is an animal.
by Beasticon on Jan 8, 2009 3:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1
Fitzgerald is an everything guy. I’ve never heard him talk either.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 8, 2009 4:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe because Zona has always been a pass happy offense since hes been there.
Hes always seen a ton of passed thrown his way. He might be singing a different tune if their offense was more like the Giants.
by houseofprime on Jan 8, 2009 6:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes and NO
You have Larry Fitz you are getting him the ball, but I see your point. Larry Fitz is sharing his targets. I think Steve Smith could have killed this season, but they don’t throw that often..
On average the Eli threw 7 less time a game then Warner.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Jan 8, 2009 6:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
their passing game has been their running game this year.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 9, 2009 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Roddy White definitely ahead of Owens
maybe he is a top 5. You guy drastically underrate White.
T.O. is a top 20 WR at this point in his career and the arrow is pointing south.
by quincyyyyy on Jan 11, 2009 9:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
-1 on both TO and White
White has only had one decent season, dont annoint him as a top 5 wide out just yet
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 12, 2009 3:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Roddy white
Has two good seasons. One with a group of journeymen and the other with a rookie.. White is money.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Jan 12, 2009 11:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea White is a badass
And will probably increase his badassedness next season…
by AikmanNailedMySis on Jan 12, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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