The Great Romo Debate Thread
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And I thought it was just a bluff...
but here it is a romo debate thread.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 8, 2009 3:16 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Can we please make a TO designated debate posting as well.....cuz this site is turning into a crapper with all this spread out garbage dissing out two of our best players...
enough already………..
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
President - Garrett MUST GO campaign -
2 best players?
that would be Witten and Ware
by Kansas Cowboy on Jan 8, 2009 10:48 PM CST up reply actions
Yes Ware, no Witten
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 9, 2009 8:15 AM CST up reply actions
I thought we could really use it
too many 50-post nyuh-uh, yuh-huh messages in the main threads for my tastes, and almost all to do with the worth of Romo
Thank you for creating this post, hopefully it will cut down on the other threads.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
I'll start: The Cowboys win more when they pass less.
The Cowboys won every game where Romo had 35 attempts or less, and lost every game except one where he had more (San Francisco). Since the Cowboys only got blown out in one of those games, the last one, the problem seems clear. In the last 2 years, 8 of Romo’s 10 worst games, by passer rating, were games where he attempted more than 35 passes (not counting the WAS game at the end of last season). The other 2 games, where he had less than 35 attempts, the Cowboys still won.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 8, 2009 7:22 AM CST reply actions
I think thats true of all qbs
and not just Romo. This argument is really for a Garrett debate as Romo has no choice as to how many times the Cowboys throw or run.
In Romo we Trust
Agreed.
As I look back on the past 2 seasons, I think Garrett is more responsible for the Cowboys’ offensive problems than Romo. Yes, Romo makes some mistakes and bad decisions, but more and more, I believe Garrett is responsible for putting him in those situations too often. Further, passing that often just wears down your line and puts your defense on the field more often.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 8, 2009 7:54 AM CST up reply actions
Throw TO in there as well...
If we didn’t have to satisfy TO’s ego and force throws to him to keep him happy with the “pitch count” maybe we’d be more productive.
Garrett needs to get a clue!
that is the root of our offensive problems I'm afraid
you can’t keep TO happy…stop trying.
by Kansas Cowboy on Jan 8, 2009 10:49 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed Terry....this in which lies the problem...GARRETT MUST GO !!!!
Keeps the passes under 35 and the rushes over 35 and we win the clock , we win the game…simple….huh Ivy League……my azz
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
President - Garrett MUST GO campaign -
totally agree because
it shortens the game. less chances you have to take (and less turn overs). makes defenses having to play you more truly and puts the offense ahead of the defense. I read and article on SI regarding Ints in a game and chances of winning. it showed teams that don’t throw INts win 78% of the time. when you throw one Int, it goes down to 56% of the time. if you throw 2 its about 38% of the time. Romo has a averaged more than one Int per game. that’s not good. with every great play, he breaks your heart with a bad throw, so lets not put him in that situation.
if you run the ball well, you can use play action, put the defense at a disadvantage and make safer throws.
I also think Romo is better suited to a WCO than the timing offense we have in place now. it gives him ore flexibility, shorter throws and less chances down field that he likes to take.
by CowboysFanatic on Jan 9, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
i don't think there should even be a debate...
its obvious what needs to be done…
1) the line needs to be sured up
2) the gameplans need to be a little less predictable
3) we need to work in the short passing game to our wrs (and not bubble screen bs, like five yard crossing routes, quick slants, slant hitch, slant outs….etc etc etc)
4) with the talent we have at running back… on passing plays, our rb’s need to chip and run circle routes and underneath routes….
5) Tony does need to learn to protect the football when scrambling or finding time in the pocket
BOOM… debate over
"BOOM... debate over."
Well then whats the point of this thread now?
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 8, 2009 8:59 AM CST up reply actions
Of course you dont Terry
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 9, 2009 8:16 AM CST up reply actions
I don't either.
Jake’s best season was 27 tds 20 ints. Romo already has a season better then that..
Plummer threw 161 TDs 161 ints, he was garbage.. Romo’s averages are well above a 1/1 td/int ratio.
http://www.nfl.com/players/jakeplummer/profile?id=PLU243945
That fact that cowboy fans by in to this notion, really doesn’t make sense to me. We are becoming self destructive like Philly fans.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
+1
Its really sad when fans hate their own franchise qb when in fact they should be thankful they have one to begin with.
In Romo we Trust
+2
What’s even the point of being of fan if you criticize more than support your team?
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 9, 2009 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
same can be said for a legit #1 WR........
and now a legit #2 WR ta boot…….
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
President - Garrett MUST GO campaign -
I dont either actually
I was just sying that anyone who reads this blog with any regularity would know that Terry wouldnt see a comparison
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 9, 2009 11:32 PM CST up reply actions
does he look like jake plummer
when he has time? no
when he doesn’t have time? sometimes he does with his scrambling and impulse decisions, but even then…
if you are going to compare him to plummer… its gotta be the one good year he had in denver
by CowboysFan4Life on Jan 8, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
Remember when Romo picked up yards with his feet?
That was definitely lacking from his game this year. I’d rather see him do his best Vick impression, rather than trying to stick in the pocket until some DE swipes the ball.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 8, 2009 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
I agree
I think he had 20 yards rushing on 22 carries this year, with a long gain of 15 yards. It seems like he could be Staubach-esque with his downfeild running ability. Staubach, btw, ran for over 2000 yards and 20 TDs in his career.
My guess is that they don’t want him to run for injury concerns and because he’ll likely fumble when hit.
He won't fumble if he runs out of bounds
or scores TDs! Run, Romo, Run!
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 8, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
He had more yards than that
30 or 40 something I think
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 9, 2009 8:17 AM CST up reply actions
You're right
28 carries for 41 yards, but with a long gain of 15, that means 26 yards on his other 26 carries…obviously most of those were kneel downs.
not a smart move
considering the way pro LBers hit today, I’d rather see him in a clean pocket myself.
In Romo we Trust
He can slide.
Plus, if the threat of him running is still in their heads then it will slow down the pass rush. This year, some of our O-line got abused because DEs and LBs were going balls out for Romo. A scramble up the middle for a 1st down will make them think twice about rushing so hard to the outside, provided that our interior OL can fend off the middle guys.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 8, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
+1, and if he does take a shot while sliding...
GOOD! Tack on 15 yards!
by AikmanNailedMySis on Jan 8, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
I personally wouldn't trade Romo for any qb in the league
I think his potential for greatness is limitless, his best football has yet to be played by a long shot.
In Romo we Trust
I agree
Peyton would be close, but I like the fact the Romo is a little younger. Tom Brady knee may never be the same. Drew Brees is interesting, but he has been starter for 6+ years and has one playoff victory..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
Based on what Sam?
Other than mentioning scenarios you have played out on Madden you haven’t posted anything that could be equated to football knowledge to back up your opinion. I am generally a lurker that never posts but your nonsense about trading Romo for Ryan is baseless and tiring.
Game Recognize Game
by pretty ricky on Jan 9, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
Sorry Sam
That was a little harsh.
But if you look at the numbers Romo had a slightly better season statistically and I believe Ryan’s success is a direct result of the season Michael Turner had.
Put 1,699 and 17 TD’s on any team and their QB’s job becomes much easier.
So no I would not do the trade.
Game Recognize Game
by pretty ricky on Jan 9, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
That was pretty
ricky.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 9, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
The biggest difference between the Cowboys and Falcons run game
is attempts. The Falcons run about 10 more times per game than the Cowboys, and average 4.4 yards per carry. The Cowboys average 4.3, but only run 25 times per game.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 9, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
Nice point
Wish the Cowboys would do the same.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 9, 2009 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
Romo needs to stop being like Tom Brady
and try to be more like Eli Manning. Drive the bus Tony, and when things are clicking, then you go for the spectacular play. Garrett and the O-line of couse are huge parts of this but he needs to learn that most gunslingers wind up going down in a blaze of glory.
The type of offense that we run encourages Romo to be a playmaker rather than a bus driver
And thats not necesarily a bad thing. Romo has the talent he just need to take more care of the football
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 8, 2009 9:20 AM CST up reply actions
for once I agree with you
Romo will always be a gunslinger…that will never change. He just needs to reduce his impulse decisions slightly, but not too much. Its a fine line and he’ll master it someday.
Just remember, the thing everyone is complaining about also makes him great. Without his impulse plays, we wouldn’t have scored that TD to T.O. in the Steelers game.
Good and bad all come in a package deal.
In Romo we Trust
Which is why the should be a running team
Not only that, but they have the personnel to do so.
This team and the playcalling did very little to help Romo out this year. He ran for his life after the 1st half of the Cleveland game, His WRs were simply not on the same page, RedBall created “gun-slinging” situations for him by not running consistently or working the short passing game, and the trainers (or T.0.) failed to give him some UnderArmour to keep him warm in Pitt.
Just because he had a great ‘07 year, doesn’t mean the offense should be on his shoulders. He’s young, still prone to mistakes, and plays in the land of the media. ’09 should be about rebuiliding and maintaining his confidence with a power running game and a short passing game. We all know Romo will take his shots downfield, so there is no need to press that.
He’s a part of the puzzle, but we need to finish the border first to help him find those middle pieces. Anybody who gets in the way of this plan should be cut.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 8, 2009 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
as long as Garrett is here
we’ll never become a running team, just won’t happen. Garrett is a former qb and strongly believes in attacking teams down field.
We would need a new OC who wants to run for this to happen.
In Romo we Trust
Why?
When he played here, the Cowboys were a running team. The QBs were all about efficiency and completion % and winning, not gun-slinging.
I don’t understand why Garrett can’t balance this out next year, knowing what he has in his RBs. Like Romo, he too is young and has much to learn. The bumps they both took had to make them look at their mistakes to work to fix them.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 8, 2009 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
Garrett is who he is
He’s not going to fundamentally alter his offensive philosophy just because the Cowboys had a bad year.
I’m sure Garrett will try to achieve more balance offensively next year, but he’ll never become a guy that likes to run more than pass, thats not who he is.
Garrett will run this offense through Romo as long as he’s in Dallas, thats just the reality of it whether fans like you approve of it or not.
In Romo we Trust
I like their comraderie
and that’s why I’d like to see Garrett stick around. But Romo takes preference. It’s nice to see that he has a guy like Garrett to analyze what’s not working on the sidelines. I like that Garrett still has that same “attack” the defense mindset like Romo does.
I just think the RB talent has leapfrogged the WR talent on this team; therefore, most of the offense should run out of the backfield.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 8, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
most fans agree with you
however, Garrett obviously doesn’t. If he takes the Lions job, you just may get your wish, you never know.
Personally, I’d like to see a 30-35/20-25 pass/run ratio.
In Romo we Trust
I like that ratio.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 8, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
2nd that
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 9, 2009 8:20 AM CST up reply actions
this team won't win with romo in bus driver mode
We do not have a threat in our running game. I can think of exactly one game this year where we ran on a team trying to stop the run – the washington game.
I think this offseason needs to be based around becoming a more balanced team – too many times on first down, our rbs are brought down in the backfield and for gains of 2 or less yards. Between that and the penalties, we get in way too many long yardage situations, which few offenses in the league will succeed in.
Romo's 2008 Turnovers
According to NFL.com, Romo had 14 interceptions and 7 lost fumbles (he fumbled 13 times) in 2008. I think I can recall every one of his turnovers. Let’s see:
Cleveland (1 int, 0 fumbles): Romo threw an end zone interception to Terrell Owens. I believe Owens ran a post from the 10 yard line. Rookie Felix Jones didn’t really pick up a blitzing defender, who hit Romo as he threw. Nevertheless, the ball probably should not have been thrown in the first place, and it took away at least 3 points from the Cowboys.
Philadelphia (1 int, 1 fumble): Romo was under heavy pressure and miraculously ducked a sack, but then drilled an ill-advised pass to Miles Austin that was intercepted by Ashante Samuel. The pick was deep in Dallas territory and led to an Eagles’ TD. On the next drive, Romo dropped the ball while dropping back to pass, he was untouched. Instead of falling on the ball he picked it up and tried to run with it, but was hit and dropped the ball, it was recovered in the end zone for an Eagles’ TD.
Green Bay (1 int): Romo threw an ill-advised pass to Jason Witten in the end zone, I believe Witten ran a post from the 10-15 yard line. The int cost the Cowboys at least 3 points on offense, plus it was returned 61 yards to the Dallas 43, leading to a Packer FG. Later in the half, on a 1st and 10 on the GB 11 and :38 seconds left, Romo was hit while scrambling and fumbled. One of the offensive linemen fell on it for a 15 yard loss. While they were still able to kick a FG, it possibly cost the team 4 points.
Washington (1 int): Romo threw what I think was a short hook to Miles Austin, maybe 10-15 yards downfield. Redskins rookie safety Chris Horton jumped the route and intercepted the pass. Maybe if Romo threw it harder it wouldn’t have been intercepted, in my mind this was not so much a bad decision but a bad throw. The Redskins took over at the Dallas 44-yard line, and scored on a FG shortly thereafter.
Cincinnati (1 int, 1 fumble): On 1st and 10 on the Bengal 35 yard line, Romo’s pass to Jason Witten was intercepted at their 20, it was returned 39 yards into Dallas territory, the Bengals scored a FG off it. Then on 3rd and 2 on their own 30 with 2:00 left in the first half, Romo scrambled for six yards but loses a fumble, the Bengals score a FG right before halftime.
Arizona (1 fumble): Immediately following one of the Cowboys’ rare turnovers, Romo was sacked and fumbled on the AZ 32 yard line. This cost at least 3 points. Then on 3rd and 9 on the Arizona 32 yardline, Romo is sacked and fumbled (recovered) on the AZ 47, taking the Cowboys out of Nick Folk range. In overtime, Romo is sacked, fumbles and recovers, and breaks his hand on the play. Soon thereafter the Cardinals block Matt McBriar’s punt and return it for the game-winning TD in overtime.
Washington (2 ints): On 3rd and 3 from the Redskins 27, Romo throws a quick slant to Terrell Owens, but he throws behind the receiver and it is intercepted. A poor throw that costs at least 3 points. Then on 2nd and 4 from the Redskins 25, another quick slant to Owens in picked off, costing at least another 3 points
San Francisco (1 fumble): This is a queer play, Romo throws a screen to Tashard Choice, which the rookie apparently bobbles until it hits the ground and Manny Lawson recovers. It is ruled a backward pass, hence a fumble by Romo. This puts the ball deep inside Dallas territory, but fortunately Anthony Henry intercepts the 49ers next pass.
Seattle (1 int): On 1st and 10 from the Dallas 40, Romo throws long to Owens, who appears to be tripled covered. The ball is intercepted in the end zone.
Pittsburgh (3 ints, 1 fumble): On the 3rd play of the game, deep inside their own territory, Romo throws a sideline pass to Terrell Owens which is intercepted. Pittsburgh misses a FG. Later on 3rd and 8 on their own 48, Romo is sacked and loses his fumble. Although Pittsburgh recovers in Cowboys territory, they do not score. Later on 1st and 10 on their own 8 yard line, Romo threw a sideline pass to Owens that was intercepted, Pittsburgh converted that turnover into a field goal. And finally, with 1:51 remaining in a tie game, Romo was intercepted at his 25 yard line, and it was returned for a touchdown.
Giants: On 1st and 10 from their own 4-yard line, Romo fumbled the snap but picked it up and completed a 3-yard pass to Jason Witten. Later, Romo was caught unawares by a Gurode snap deep in their own territory, he knocked the ball out of the end zone for a Giants’ safety.
Baltimore (2 ints): On the games opening drive on 2nd and 3 from the Dallas 49, Romo’s bomb to Roy Williams was intercepted. Later, on 3rd and 2 from their own 37 with :32 seconds left, Romo avoided a sack and threw long for Terrell Owens, it was intercepted and returned 29 yards to midfield. This led to a Baltimore FG right before the half. In the second half, facing a 3rd and 1 from the Baltimore 16, Romo pitches an option to Tashard Choice, which he cant’t control and goes out of bounds after a 5-yard loss. This cost the offense possibly 4 points.
Philadelphia (1 int, 2 fumbles): Romo’s deep sideline pass to Roy Williams is intercepted and returned into Dallas territory, which leads to an Eagles’ touchdown. In the second half, deep inside the Eagle’s territory, Romo is scrambling and sacked, fumbles and it is returned 73 yards for a touchdown. Later, Romo is sacked and fumbles, recovered by the Eagles which becomes a FG.
So 21 turnovers in 13 games is bad enough. But what’s worse is that many of these turnovers led directly to points for the other team: Three touchdowns on returns (not counting the safety against the Giants) and nine drives that led to 2 TDs and 7 FGs. And finally, seven of these turnovers occurred when the Cowboys were at least in FG range (inside their opponents 35 yard line). Of his 21 turnovers, 12 led directly to points for the other team, and seven took away potential points from his own team. Only a couple turnovers by Tony Romo had "no effect" on the scoreboard in 2008. Ouch.
And for anyone who is interested, seven of Romo’s interceptions were passes to Owens, three were for Witten, two were for Roy Williams and two were for Miles Austin.
Another reason I'm sick of T.O.
seven of Romo’s interceptions were passes to Owens
Don’t get me wrong; I’m still a fan, but I think he needs to take a step back and not be such a spokesman. Be a Jerry Rice. Be productive. That’s it.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 8, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
Because Romo throwing Ints in TOs direction is all TOs fault right?
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 9, 2009 8:23 AM CST up reply actions
Not at all
I think only the first int in the Pittsburgh game can even remotely be attributed to Owens. The rest were bad throws or bad decisions by Romo.
On the other hand, I can probably think of 3 sure-fire TD passes that T.O. dropped or otherwise lost during 2008. So it evens out.
Oh heck no
I’m just saying that T.O. is the cog at WR and doesn’t need to be—anymore.
What do those stats tell you, aussie? I’m pretty sure T.O. got as many looks at Witten. The difference is the throws to T.O. are tougher to make, I understand. But if you look at times when T.O. is frustrated, he runs lazier routes.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 9, 2009 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
I dont think the extra targets to TO are a bad thing
With what he can do when he gets the ball in his hands its worth it to try a little harder to get him the ball. I just think we need to be more creative in doing that, i.e. movement before the snap and where he lines up
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 9, 2009 11:36 PM CST up reply actions
Which is why I'd like to see him on shorter routes
throw more slants, crosses, and screens at him.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 11, 2009 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
when i think of romo's turnovers, there are two major issues
1. his int % really hasn’t been all that bad, we just throw the ball more than most teams. One major issue is red zone turnovers, and this is frustrating for me as a fan – he took way too many points off the board this year. interceptions in the red zone are inexcusable
2. fumbles. I swear romo fumbles the ball one out of every 3 or so times he gets hit. I’m not sure what to make of this. A large reason for this is most of the time he has the ball out ,ready to throw. We can complain about this all we want, but i think his style in this regard has helped us more than hurt us. Behind the 2007 line that blocked well, Romo was spectacular. I guess the area i’d like him to improve upon here is taking the yardage when its in front of him – picking up 6 or 7 yards and sliding would help our offense out a lot.
Yes
maybe he should just run when the pressure is too much sometimes. He just wants to get the back downfield so bad because the team always seemed to be playing catchup.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 9, 2009 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
Very nice work - DavidH
Would have taken you a while – thanks.
I get the sense in some games that Romo fixates on the receiver he wants to get the ball to. Its not that he stares them down like an inexperienced QB, but it seems sometimes he just decides he is going to get someone the ball regardless of whether he is open or not. For example in the Baltimore it seemed like he decided RW was getting the ball regardless. He has done the same with TO in other games.
Tony Romo is Jake Plummer
He is good enough to fool you into thinking he is your guy, but after 7 or 8 seasons he will exist in complete mediocraty for NFL stats and career playoff performance, and he will never win a superbowl. Dont get me wrong I wish I was as good as Jake Plummer. Tony lacks the leadership of a Staubach and Aikman. He lacks the fire of a Farve. He will never be what we want him so desperately to be. He is our Waterloo our Vietnam he is our Jake Plummer. The Cowboys MUST draft a QB and groom him in case this is correct.
Plummer beat the Cowboys in the playoffs.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 8, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
I don't buy the Plummer comparison
First, Plummer was a high 2nd round pick from a major college. Romo didn’t cost the Cowboys anything to get. Second, Plummer was never really good statistically. Romo has incredible stats. Third, Plummer at least did win a couple playoff games. Maybe if Romo had to play the Cowboys in the playoffs like Plummer did in 1998 he’d win a post-season game too.
Can someone list the skill players Plummer had versus the ones Romo has?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Plummer Romo
Well Jake Plummer was an elusive QB like Romo. I think if Romo had played at Arizona State he would have been a circa 2nd. Anyway, he got his money in the end, so early comparison you are right. Later on is what I am getting at. Plummer had everyone believing in him at Arizona he was their guy and, he was going to be the next John Elway in Denver. He could scramble and make plays, but he did throw pics and fumble a bit. Romo is costing the Cowboys now David, big time, and he will wreck the Cowboys if he is not the elite QB we hope he is instead of being a Jake Plummer. Truth is I think Romo would rather play Golf, no big deal, if I was Romo I might would rather play Golf too, but Id need a few more years of Football to make sure I could play Golf for the rest of my life. Winning Superbowls doesnt seem to push that guy and he doesnt lead a team like I think a QB should.
If you think Romo would rather play golf
than football, you truly are a misguided soul. Nothing could be farther from the truth. How many times has Romo expressed how much he loves playing football, I guarantee you Romo would play if NFL players were paid minimum wage, thats how much passion he has for the game.
He’s driven to win SBs and be the best, its a shame you can’t see that but hopefully someday you will.
In Romo we Trust
How do you know
all this stuff about his passion and how he would play for minimum wage?
You use it to support your arguments, repeatedly, but it is conjecture at best.
What do you see that tells you he is driven to be the best?
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 8, 2009 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
All you have to do is listen to the guy
and read about his background and upbringing, I have done plenty of research on Romo, maybe you should start doing yours.
In Romo we Trust
Maybe
the proof of the pudding is in the eating.
When he shows improvement, I’ll believe. When he stops forcing dumb lazy throws, and protects the football when under pressure, I’ll believe it. Until then I’ll thinnk he is a guy who worked hard to get where he is, and is happy with the status quo.
His upbringing means squat when he feeds Ed Reed fluffy footballs.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 8, 2009 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
fair enough
You are fan who feels scorned.. Romo will make it up to..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
Ed Reed does that to everybody.
Not just Romo. I don’t see him throwing many lazy balls, maybe high, but not lazy.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 8, 2009 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
Those were flat
out terrible fluffy throws. The second one was woefully underthrown, and they both seemed to be the result of lazy decision making.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 8, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
Okay Terry
Explain to me how those two INTs were not bad throws into the teeth of a secondary that Romo knows includes Ed Reed.
Was the second one, which was gamechanging and particularly foolish and costly, and five yards behind Owens – not underthrown? More detail on your -1.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 8, 2009 6:30 PM CST up reply actions
It was underthrown
but it wasn’t the result of lazy decision making, it was just a bad pass. Not all of Romo’s INTs are the result of bad decisions, some are just bad passes and that was one of them.
In Romo we Trust
Laughable
Nice try. Throwing into those coverages in those situations are terrible decisions. He heaved the second one off his back foot into coverage at a critical moment in the game.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 8, 2009 6:50 PM CST up reply actions
He was off that game.
I seriously think layer of underarmour under his pads would have kept this throwing arm warm that day.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 9, 2009 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
uh, huh-huh, huh-huh... You said "lazy balls." -- LMAO!!!!!!!
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my argument against this is the giants game
Everyone talks about how his heart wasn’t in it at the end of this year. Look back at the giants gmae – the guy peeled himself off the turf nearly every play and came back time after time and played pretty darn well considering how awful the line was.
In the ravens game, he played well at the end, which is better than most qbs lol. again our line didn’t block.
The steelers game he completely blew. I won’t deny that. but i don’t think its any sort of coincidence he was poor against the best 2 Ds in the league.
Also, Romo’s accuracy was clearly off when he came back form injury – he missed wide open guys and we’re not used to that. I think a few people are confusing having heart with having a healthy body.
And that's what gets me about the SOB and Red Ball...
They obviously knew about the important December stretch run against four of the best defenses in the NFL.
They knew how the Steelers, G-Men, Ravens, and Eagles effectively bring blitzing pass rushers (although the Giants have proven to successfully bring pass pressure moreso with their front four) in a lot of their games.
That being said, why wasn’t there more max protect schemes employed in those games or other designed strategies to give Romo more time to pass? What kind of lazy-ass preparation is that for a team trying to first get in the playoffs and second contend for a Super Bowl?
Isn’t the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results?
The answer is a resounding “Hell yeah.”
And that’s why I think da King is crazy insane to expect improvement with this current cast of coaching clowns.
Rant over.
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The Cowboys actually passed more often in those games.
That’s what baffles me. I don’t think that the offensive line played much worse this year than they did last year. But if they did, then why are we calling more passes as the season went on rather than less?
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 9, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
4.3 yards per carry on the season.
Tashard Choice was the lead back in the last 5 games, and he averaged over 5 yards per carry on the season.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 10, 2009 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
that doesn't mean anything
Just watch the games and its easy to see they can’t run block.
In Romo we Trust
Yeah our RBs are the reason we have a 4.3 YPC figure
They are really good, the o-line is not so much
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 10, 2009 5:40 PM CST up reply actions
I think you're joking, right?
You can never tell on this board.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 11, 2009 12:38 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah i was
although I do think our backs are good. There is a reason why all three of our running backs seem pretty good. Ill give you a hint ( Its the o-line)
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 11, 2009 1:51 AM CST up reply actions
I'm at a loss for words.
It’s amazing how you just disregard the actual stats in favor of the way that you remember it.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 11, 2009 12:37 AM CST up reply actions
stats are often times very misleading
you tell me that all the time regarding Romo, why doesn’t it hold true for the OL?
In Romo we Trust
I don't think that I tell you that.
Other people might, but I don’t. I think certain stats that are in the eye of the beholder are misleading, like WR drops and QB pressures. I don’t think that I have said that official stats are misleading, though. I may have; I do say a lot of stuff.
Looking at Football Outsiders stuff, they rank the Cowboys line 12th in run blocking and 13th in pass blocking. Not great, but certainly not wretched. 7 of the teams higher than them in run blocking and 4 of the teams higher in pass blocking didn’t make the playoffs, for whatever that’s worth. The Cowboys actually were among the best in the league when they ran behind Flozell or Davis, but only ran behind those guys about a quarter of the time, and went right up the middle about half the time.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 11, 2009 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
I think your own stats prove my point
Teams with better OL don’t make the playoffs, that doesn’t make sense.
If your OL is good, your team will be good unless your defense is horrible.
In Romo we Trust
So the problem was the Cowboy's defense, not their O-Line?
I thought you said that the Cowboys’ problem was that their line can’t run block or pass block. The stats say otherwise. Everyone has said that the area that needs the most improvement on this team is the O-Line, but they are better than average, and if the offensive staff would call more of the plays that they excel at, they would be even better still. That just shows again that the offensive coaching is suspect, as they refuse to game plan to their team’s strengths.
The only teams with a combined rating higher than the Cowboys that did not make the playoffs were Denver, the Jets, the Saints, and the Redskins. The other 3 had bad defenses, but WAS and Dallas both had top 10 defenses and O-line’s in the top half of the league. So what’s the problem? It has to be coaching. They aren’t playing to their team’s strengths. But it also shows that just having a good line doesn’t magically get your team into the playoffs, and that the Cowboys did indeed have a decent line.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 11, 2009 7:09 PM CST up reply actions
OL is the Cowboys problem
Those stats you cite are misleading, our OL is below average.
In Romo we Trust
+1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 11, 2009 9:13 PM CST up reply actions
Based on what?
The pure stats say they are above average. Stats that are adjusted based on situation and opponent say they are above average. 2 Pro Bowlers says that they are above average.
So, what is your evidence that all of those are wrong, and the Cowboys line was actually below average?
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 12, 2009 6:34 AM CST up reply actions
Look at the games rather then the stats
And youll see the o0line had issues
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 12, 2009 7:26 AM CST up reply actions
See, here's a point of contention
The stats say Romo had a decent season. The games showed that Romo regressed this year.
Romo apologist-in-chief, Terry, cites the stats defending Romo, but disregards stats when it suits him. Double Standard.
In-YOUR-endo
by accidental innuendo on Jan 12, 2009 7:45 AM CST up reply actions
Didn't does not equal couldn't.
They were 10th in the league in yards per carry, but 25th in attempts per game. That’s choosing to not run the ball, not an inability to do so. The Football Outsiders stats compare teams to what other teams did in similar situations vs. similar opponents, and they were 13th. Not quite as good as 10th, but still top half of the league. They simply chose not to run the ball. They also ranked the Cowboys 13th in pass blocking in comparison to other teams in the same situations, weighted for opponents. And that includes 3 games with Brad Johnson doing a horrible job running the offense.
Looking at the games, the Cowboys lost every game where Romo had more than 35 pass attempts, except 1, and he had at least 35 attempts in every loss where he started. In every game that Dallas lost with Romo as a starter this year, they had less than 21 RB rushing attempts. That clear pattern, coupled with the raw stats, plus the weighted stats, produces the conclusion that the problem was not the line, but the failure to game plan to the team’s strengths.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 12, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
Romo is too competitive to settle for golf.
His best talent is football. He has fire and a helluva an arm for a not-so-big QB. Golf has its pros.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 8, 2009 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
Don’t compare our franchise Qb to a quitter.
Romo worked to hard to get where is to be compared to a quitter.. Undrafted College Player to Franchise Qb. Romo has already proved he has the work ethic to improve, how you guys don’t see it is beyond me. He knows what it takes to improve your skills in the NFL. Jake is high draft pick, who never really figured that out.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
I don't think Romo will linger for 7-8 years
without winning anything, because if he goes even one more year not making the playoffs or not winning a playoff game, then the team definitely should start looking for someone else.
I hope you are right about not lingering for 7 or 8
I just dont believe anymore and it sounds like you might give it another season to play out is our difference. Might be smart to wait, but what we should not do is fail to get a guy we can develop in the event next year is like this year, fumbles, INTs, errant balls etc.
Romo's current place
1. Peyton Manning-currently the best.
2. Tom Brady-not sure how he recovers
3. Drew Brees-He puts up the points, had no D
4. D. McNabb-hurts me to say this, but he gets it done with scraps.
5. T. Romo- He is top 5 in my opionon. Needs to limit the Turnovers.
Eli- has been good, but his stats aren’t great. 5 less TD’s then Romo, 3 Less Int’s.. Pretty even trade off. Great Line protection, excellent run game, and play calling.
Cutler-Less TD’s then Romo, more Int’s.. NO playoffs, threw multiple Int’s in red zone
Matt Ryan- body of work to small, lost in playoffs.
Joe Flacco-Decent play, awesome D. Doesn’t have to do much to win.
A.Rod- Underated season, I think he will be good for years, but has never lead a team to the playoffs.
J. Delhomme-Underraed nothing flashy, but has a great playoff record.
Ben. R.- up and down, can get it done, but his D carries him.
There are only 4 Qb’s I take over Romo.. Romo has his problems, but there are only 2 QB’s in my opionon who year in and year out play at extremely high level.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
But
out of all those guys, who has the most upside?
Answer: Romo.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 8, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
Which is why
his stagnant development is such a disappointment to many.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 8, 2009 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
stangant??
The guy has had one bad year, with a qb rating over 90 no less, and you think his development is stagnant?? He improved a lot from year 1 to 2 and had some turnover problems in year 3 with the rest of the offense falling apart around him.
Give the kid a break, he’s only played a little under 3 years, you talk as if he’s had like 5 bad years in a row.
In Romo we Trust
expectations for Romo are out of this world..
May be a good thing, people expect him to fail now. He will look even more impressive to the haters next year.
This could work in his favor.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
I hope so because you're right
fans expect Romo to play near perfect, it blows me away. I say thank God we finally found a qb who has the potential to be great, we’ve only been looking for one since 2001.
Be happy we have one because they don’t grow on trees thats for sure.
In Romo we Trust
I haven't seen much improvement
since his first year starting. His problems then are his problems now.
I don’t expect perfection, and I would rather have Romo than many QBs. I used to have faith in him, and now it is shaken.
That 90 QB rating is cold comfort in the face of December 2008.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 8, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
My faith in him is also shaken
but I don’t want to enter next season with anybody else. I think he still needs help because he’s young and just beginning to put into effect all that he learned while riding the bench those 3 years.
Personally, I’d like to see him bulk up a little—like Testaverde did in the later years. Some more strength should help him shed a few more defenders next year so he can get the ball out of bounds. Anybody got one of those extra hand grip thingies he could use?
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 8, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
it happens
Every fan of every good QB goes through this.. Brady might be the only one and we are not sure how he returns or if or when he returns next season..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
Not true
I never waivered on Troy…it wasn’t a question of IF but WHEN. At the end of the 1st two seasons with Troy you were left with a taste of the future and today’s team is supposed to have more talent?
Some people feel that way about Tony, good for them.
If what I’m tasting now is the future then IMO, there ain’t enough mouthwash in TX.
That was a team assembled with no Salary cap..
If you look back at Troy’s stats you will not be impressed. I know it was a different era, but still not special.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
Whoa Whoa, You talkin about STATS?!
Apples and Oranges Wmillion.
Aikman’s Cowboys RAN the football. They had Emmitt Smith, the NFL rushing leader. This offense wasn’t about the bombs, it was efficient and disciplined, predictable ad nauseum but again, brutally efficient without depending on Aikman to air it out.
If Aikman and Irvin, Novacek threw it around as much as THESE Cowboys, they would have passing stats nobody could touch.
Don’t use stats to make this arguement, Troy and Co. would wax the floor with these Cowboys.
Yes they would..
That is what happens when you have no salary cap..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
I agree to an extent. Cutler broke out this year, and I definitely see better things ahead for him. Problem is...
…Denver’s defense sucks, so he’s forced to have the team win it with his arm. And the Broncos have become a team that relies more on the passing game on offense.
In my opinion, they’ve morphed into a team that mirrors those Martz-coached Rams teams.
Keep in mind, Cutler just completed his third year.
Btw, I know this because I’ve had Cutler on my fantasy team – someone beat me to drafting Romo :(
"I got a fever. And the only prescription is more cowbell." -- Bruce Dickinson
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Who is A Rod?
What about Phillip Rivers? His stats, winning record and playoff history should put him above Brees and maybe even above Romo.
you'll see what Rivers is made out of Sunday
against that vaunted Steelers defense. If he does well against them, then I’ll be impressed, but something tells me he won’t play any better than Romo against them in December.
In Romo we Trust
WHOA
Romo ahead of CUTLER, RYAN and FLACCO no way, never!
Dude I would trade Romo for Ryan today
but I dont think the Falcons would take that deal, you cant be serious?
No way
I take that deal.. bigger contract, less production, and zero playoff victories.
No if you said Marion Barber for Turner, where do I sign..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
You cant be serious
Ryan is the best rookie QB to come out in some time, all the intangibles, strong arm. Get some perspective W. This kid in 5 years is 27 and playing in and winning SBs. Atlanta wouldnt trade for Romo who in 5 years is out of the league and in the booth analyzing games and playing golf.
Tap the brakes their buddy...
I agree that Matt Ryan showed impressive maturity and overall production in his rookie season — and the sky’s the limit with his potential upside.
However, no one knows the future — regarding him and Romo — so let’s just see how things pan out in time.
On a personal note, I’m happy for nice guy Falcons owner Arthur Blank — and the surprising turnaround winning season in ’08 — especially after all he went through with waste product head cases like Mike Vick, DeAngelo Hall, and the like…
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Gotta confess. I stole that line from Deke.
"I got a fever. And the only prescription is more cowbell." -- Bruce Dickinson
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+1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 9, 2009 11:37 PM CST up reply actions
some time?
Like what 4 years? Ben R. do you remember his start? See where he is now.. Don’t get to carried away..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
Wait until after his sophomore year.
Romo was super awesome when he was a new starter in the league, too.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 9, 2009 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
not true, Romo is a top 10 qb..no doubt
Ryan might be really good someday, but not as good as Romo.
In Romo we Trust
deal based on one season..
Did the same thing Ryan did, but in less games his 1st season starting.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
ryan, Flacco
What have they done? Look at there seasons. Nothing special, great for rookies, not great for the NFL.
What are you basing it on? Cutler had more picks and less TD’s then Romo and a worse record..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
Hold on,
I can see a debate about Romo vs Cutler. But Flacco and Ryan?! I’m a UD alum, so naturally im a big Flacco fan; but hes averaging 180 yards a game, and he has the number 2 defense in the NFL. Ryan played as well as any rookie qb has ever played, but he had an easy schedule and Michael Turner.
not a fan of this list lol
Manning has fallen apart or put up average games in the playoffs year after year after year. Hes not great in december either if memory serves me right. Unlike Romo, Manning has been absolutely awful in quite a few playoff games.
Brady is not human. The guy imo is far and away the best qb in this league, luckily for the rest of us, he may miss 2009.
McNabb is on and off – the guy kills drives by throwing balls into the dirt. Like Romo, when hes throwing the ball well, hes a tough qb to stop.
Brees – choked in some major spots this year. WHats he ever won?
Eli and Flacco are game managers. In this regard, i think they’re better than romo – if we had a run game, maybe i’d prefer eli, but we won’t. we need romo to win us games.
cutler’s 2nd half looked like an awful lot like romo’s last 7 games.
Ryan looks like a good qb, but he was pretty bad in the playoffs.
I love roethlisberger – i think him and brady are the only two qbs in this entire league who have legitimately played well in the playoffs.
But overall, i don’t see how any of these guys outside of manning, brady and ben can be considered better than romo. They all have bad turnovers, and none have won anything in the playoffs.
Wait...
No Phillip Rivers? Carson Palmer? Ben R has led a 15-1 season and won a Super Bowl, yet you say it’s his defense that wins games. Maybe true, but then how is that any different than saying thet Romo is surrounded by the best offensive talent in the NFL and is nothing but an underachiever who can’t win an NFL playoff game despite all that talent?
Tell me, what exactly has Romo won to make you rate him so high without being accused of being nothing but a Homer?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Manning is surrounded by the best offensive talent, no Romo
Romo is surrounded by the most overrated offensive talent in the NFL, big difference.
In Romo we Trust
-1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 10, 2009 5:41 PM CST up reply actions
Harrison is an old lady a couple of more bone-chilling winters away from a hip replacement.
Dude was one of the best in the game for a while; most precise route runner in the league, great body control, telepathic link with his QB. If not the flat-out best, he was at least the most consistent elite receiver in the league. But now he’s just some old codger residing in the body that once belonged to the great Marvin Harrison.
Addai’s had his moments over his short career; he’s shown he can be a game-changing back but I wouldn’t call him special just yet. He certainly didn’t look special this year playing behind their weak line. Reggie Wayne’s still pretty good but there’s a whole glut of young receivers in their prime that I just couldn’t rank him ahead of this very day. Dallas Clark’s a pretty good tight end but I don’t know that’s he ever been in Tony Gonzalez or Witten’s league. The jury’s still out on how good Anthony Gonzalez will be.
Heck, if you want to get right down to it the Colts might have a couple deep more receiving options but I’d say the Panthers, for instance, have better offensive weapons. A top 5 receiver and top 5 running back in Steve Smith and DeAngelo Williams and if we’re being honest Muhsin Muhammad looks to have far more gas left in his tank than Marvin Harrison. Now on the other hand Peyton has a couple of declining players and absolutely no running game. Peyton is/was still surrounded by the best offensive weapons by a long shot? I don’t think so.
I agree with most of that
except on Dallas Clark. He cant block as well as Witten and isnt as tough (IMO) but he has equal if not better receiving skills. Witten is the better and more complete TE, but Clark matches his receiving ability
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 11, 2009 1:54 AM CST up reply actions
Carson Palmer
Is in need of UCL replacement surgery… he may be out for all of next season
Cowboys fan since 1978.. I was 3 years old
Yes we'll see
hopefully for the sake of Chargers fans everywhere Rivers will do better than 4 turnovers that led directly to 10 points.
here is the opinion of Rick Gosselin
the well respected sportswriter at DMN, regarding Romo. Looks like he’s agreeing with my assertion that a SB championship qb needs other great players around to achieve that success, they don’t do it all by themselves.
Can Romo be “the guy” for the Cowboys?I am having my doubts
11:51
Rick Gosselin: Romo is already “the guy.” I remember in his first month on the job when he was dazzling us and everyone wanted to annoint him as the next franchise quarterback — a worthy successor to Roger Staubach and Troy Aikman. I asked then — "What if he turns out to be Danny White? " Is that good enough? Danny White was a great quarterback, a Pro Bowl-caliber quarterback. But he didn’t win a Super Bowl, so fans of a franchise that have been spoiled by Lombardi Trophies have looked down on him. If Romo becomes the next Danny White, I would applaud him. It takes more than a great quarterback to win Super Bowls. Staubach had Drew Pearson and Tony Dorsett. Aikman had Emmitt Smith and Michael Irvin. When the Cowboys get another Hall of Fame running back and Hall of Fame receiver to play with Romo, maybe be can be a Hall of Famer, too. I do think he has to be coached to a point where he takes fewer chances and turns the ball over less. Peyton Manning did it and became a championship quarterback. I think Romo’s best days are still ahead of him. Appreciate what you have, Dallas. Romo is one of the best 6-8 quarterbacks in the NFL.
In Romo we Trust
absolutely not
because its impossible as teams win or lose games, not individual players.
Football is a team game in case you’re not aware of that fact, this isn’t golf or tennis.
In Romo we Trust
I don't think Gosselin has a good rep around this blog
but he brings up the obvious point, one that we all need to recognize, that winning is a team effort.
I will give Romo 2 more years to win something.
I like and respect Gosselin
I often do not want to hear what he has to say because he never sugar coats his analysis of the Cowboys. However, I find Gosselin to be insightful, informed and very accurate with his analysis and predictions – especially with the draft.
Some guys like Skip Bayless simply trash the Cowboys to generate attention and offer no reason or logic for their position. Gosselin isn’t like those guys. H’s a good journalist, not a self-serving hack.
by Cowboy Louie on Jan 8, 2009 8:50 PM CST up reply actions
No thanks..
Matt Ryan played great for Rookie, but nothing special outside of that..
0-1 playoffs like Romo after his 1st season.. Romo had a better 1st playoff game.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
Matt Ryan had the keys to a 1983 Corolla
Tony Romo had the keys to a 2008 Ferrari, who made the playoffs?
Michael Turner=Ferrari
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 9, 2009 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
+1
Sorry to say it, but I agree. Ryan has tons more upside than Romo. But that should be the case with such a high pick versus an undrafted free agent.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
-1
Upside when you break down his season it was that great. Your expectations were just extremely low.. The player who needs to get the love is the pro-bowler and 2nd leading rusher in the league Micheal Turner..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
disagree
Romo’s ceiling is much higher than Ryans, Romo has special skills Ryan doesn’t.
In Romo we Trust
special skills? Please
That was perhaps one of the most absurd posts I’ve seen here. Are ‘special skills’ a codeword for ‘I have no legitimate arguments here but I will never admit Romo isn’t as great as any quarterback playing’? I’d love to know what those ‘special skills’ are. Maybe Romo’s Jedi Knight abilities that you were touting before his annual December swoon?
Ryan already has Leadership and Game Management skills that are far superior to Romo’s. Ryan can make all the throws – as can Romo. He reads defenses at least as well as Romo. Exactly what are Romo’s special skills? The ability to avoid the blitz and turn a broken play into a huge one? That sure would be special if he wouldn’t be a turnover machine when he is doing it.
All Romo has over Ryan are five more years of NFL experience than Ryan (yes five, not two), a smoking hot girlfriend and a great golf game. Special skills my ass. I would love to see a poll of NFL GM’s answer this: who would you rather have lead your team for the next five years – Tony Romo or Matt Ryan? I bet even Jerry Jones would take Ryan and Jerry has real problems admitting his mistakes.
by Cowboy Louie on Jan 10, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
making something out of nothing
there aren’t too many qbs in the league that can do that.
The TD throw to T.O. in the Steelers game, the first down run in the Rams game last year after the ball was snapped over his head…Ryan nor most qbs can’t even come close to making those type of plays.
Maybe if you take off your hate colored glasses you could see those special skills and appreciate them.
In Romo we Trust
What game?
What Stat? What play? What scenario makes Matt Ryan so special? I watched every single one of his last 7 games he was average during those games.. 7 games 6 TD’s 6 Int’s.. How is the great leadership and game management? Explain that to me?
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
According to Football Outsiders
Ryan is 6th in the league in DYAR and 4th in DVOA. Romo is 11th and 10th respectively
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 10, 2009 7:24 PM CST up reply actions
those sound like some made up stats to me
Duct tape her and duct tape there.. I am talking real stats and real observation.. I never heard an announcer/analyst talk about DYAR or DVOA..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
You've nevere heard of Football Outsiders?
look it up. Great statistical analysis
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 10, 2009 8:31 PM CST up reply actions
I did..
Looked up those 2 stat categories.. Not impressed, like I said BS.
I love how cowboy fans are looking up stats you can’t even find on ESPN/NFL/FOXSPORTS to discredit their franchise qb.. Seems backwards
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
Im not trying to discredit anyone
Stop reading things into my post that are not even there. I was only giving you an example of quality stats to give you a reason why everyone seems to like Matt Ryan. Something you actually asked for. I included Romos stats to give you somme perspective, but youll notice he is in the top half for both anyway. And the stats are not BS. FO used to work in conjunction with FoxSports and are still highly reagrded, which is why the DMN blog interveiws them everyweek
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 10, 2009 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
Football Outsiders is great
They do pure statistical analysis. They don’t do any BS stories about locker room politics or who is talking to whom. All they care about is what happens on the field and they crunch the numbers like nobody else.
Casual fans look up stats on ESPN or Fox or NFL.Com but if ou wnat to know what is really happening check out football outsiders regularly
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
+1
Thats what I was saying
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 10, 2009 9:48 PM CST up reply actions
-1
Like I said it is BS. If you want to look for BS stats to defend a Rookie Qb with a mediocre season you should hop on the ATL bandwagon plenty of room. Then you would watch the games a realize the run game carried that team.. Romo lead him in 4 categories, and you found two off brand stat categories he leads in.. Romo’s numbers are still better and the better QB.
Like I said name a stat, a real one, a play, a series that Matt Ryan excelled in. I watched the games, he did nothing special. I credit him for having a great rookie season, by rookie standards, but to say he is better then 2 time pro-bowl who blew his stats a way in 13 games just doesn’t add up..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
11th vs. 8th is mediocre?
Ryan was #11 in passer rating with 87,7, compared to Romo’s 8th with 91.4. That’s not a huge difference. They had virtually the same completion percentage, with Romo throwing more touchdowns and interceptions, and Ryan with a higher yards per attempt.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 11, 2009 12:51 AM CST up reply actions
Romo
More yards less games, more tds less games, better passer rating overall, and a better completion percentage…
4 to 1. Like I said Romo had the better season.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
The Falcons were a run first team
so it makes sense Romo had more yds and TDs. But Ryan got his team in the ppostseason, so he had the better season
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 11, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
like you said run 1st
the running game got them in to the playoffs. Matt ryan was along for the ride
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
No one was talking about Romo except you
No one is trying to discredit Romo, just using two very good stats that you chose to call BS for reasons subjective rather than objective to show you that Matt Ryan played pretty well. No one is comparing him to Romo except you. And if you want a play that defined what Ryan meant to the Falcons look at his last throw in the Bears game which went for something like 40 yards and set them up for a FG to win the game. He timed the throw perfectly and executed it even though there were only 7 seconds left on the clock.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 11, 2009 1:57 AM CST up reply actions
dude
You are in a Romo debate thread, what do you mean know one is talking about Romo?
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
Well I wasnt talking about ROmo
I was talking about Ryan and you decided to criticise me for trying to discredit Romo
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 11, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
No I just answered you
when you asked for a stat or play that showed why Ryan was good
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 11, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
And btw you were saying none of the major sites paid attention to FB Outsiders
Check this link
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 11, 2009 7:03 AM CST up reply actions
they have a link on the ESPN page..
When you go to ESPN clicks stats, the stats you are talking about are no where to be found..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
Atlanta's O-Line
performed far more admirably than the Cowboys in 2007. But that’s not meant to take anything away from Ryan. I wouldn’t cry if Jerry made a straight up swap involving those two tomorrow. But there’s no way Atlanta would agree to that deal!
ryan looked awful in the playoff game
he had far more mistakes than we’ve seen from romo in either of his two playoff games. yet everyones fine with ryan doing it cause hes a rookie qb. Romo only had 9 or so starts under his belt last year against the giants, and imo played far better.
Romo's highs are better then Ryan's
What if Ryan does the same thing again next year 16 TD’s 11 int’s would you be impressed? over the last 6 games he was nothing special.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
he had a hand in the success
but, a healthy Abhram, and Micheal Turner had just as much if not a bigger hand in the victories…
16,11 isn’t impressing from the QB position, the ATL falcons impressed me..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
PUHLEAZE
You’re telling us you’d rather have the Falcons supporting cast over people like Barber, Witten, T.O. ,etc? You cite a healthy Abraham, but was he better than a league leading sacker like Ware?
That’s your argument? Seriously?
In the toughest position in the NFL, this rookie comes in, resurrects an entire franchise and doesn’t make the same bonehead mistakes that 27 year-old, $67 million dollar man Romo Simpson makes?
I am amazed at how the Romo apologists have come out of the woodwork to pull a “Wade” and not hold him accountable for failures on the field.
I AM NOT BUYING IT.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
didn't say that.
I said Abraham and Turner had a big hand if not a bigger hand in the success of Atlanta. Matt Ryan played well for a Rookie, but decent for a QB in the league. Nothing eye popping from him, the eye popping production came from Turner and Abraham.. Seems simple to me, I am buying that. In what category was Matt Ryan top 10 in the league?
QB Rating-NO, Yards-No, TD’s-No, Completion %-No I don’t see, I am not buying it.. Sounds like a guy who is getting a lot of love for being average..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
Turner had more of an impact
on the Falcons success than Ryan, if Turner doesn’t have that type of year, Ryan looks like any other struggling rookie qb.
In Romo we Trust
What about the
girlfriend effect? Or are we not to mention that.
Yeah
and how many of them are celebrity gold-diggers? Hey I’m a Romo guy, but something’s in his head. I felt better about him after the Seattle hold-drop.
umm
no way. she isn’t paid like that, but Jessica has nothing to do with his play on the field..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
dude
i’d bet she’s a cabillionaire
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 9, 2009 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
yeah
they’re soulmates
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 9, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
is this conversation really taking place on this blog?
by AikmanNailedMySis on Jan 9, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
None of us are too good for some juicy gossip, man.
AikmanNailedYourSis
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 9, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
dude we have argued
about the same 4 topics for the last month.. With 9 more months to go.. Having this converstation is nice change a pace..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
HAHA, Well in that case...
Jessica’s loaded because millions of Americans are dumb of enough to pay her to be a dumbass…a very HOT dumbass at that. Carrie Underwood, I know nothing about her except she’s hot and rich too. It’s a no-lose situation for our boy. In fact, that’s why I love the linguistic genius/stand-up comedian it took to come up with “Tony Homo.” Dude’s banging hottttt rich broads and you’re calling him a homo? Really?!?! Haters, man. Gotta love em!
by AikmanNailedMySis on Jan 9, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
that reminds when I was at the Steelers game
I was standing behind the Cowboys bench trying to take pictures before my hand got totally numb and frostbite, when Romo came out to warm out and an obnoxious Steelers fan yelled out “Tony Homo” in which a Cowboys fan near me responded, “yeah, right, I guarantee he’s banging a hotter piece of a$% than you’ll ever see in your life.”
The Steelers fan obviously had no come back for that. LOL!!!
In Romo we Trust
So true
In fact, that’s why I love the linguistic genius/stand-up comedian it took to come up with "Tony Homo." Dude’s banging hottttt rich broads and you’re calling him a homo? Really?!?! Haters, man. Gotta love em!
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
I just like when he was with Carrie Underwood
cuz they both came out of nowhere at the same time to be instant celebrities.
Perseverance and confidence in their talents brought them together. Ahhhh…
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 9, 2009 5:51 PM CST up reply actions
She is at best a b list singer and a d list actress who draws attention to herself with her ample cleavage and no one would know who was she was except for her pimp father using every opportunity to whoer her out
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
she is a gold digger and Daddy Simpson is looking to parlay her relationship with Tony into more crappy movies and crappier albums
Hopefully Tony is nailing her every which way but loose
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
Eh, if it wasn't some celebutante with a creepy daddy.....
It would just be some random cokewhore with an attachment to some sleazy pimp like Lester Diamond. Look at Urlacher. He’s got major baby mama drama with some Vegas stripper.
I wouldn't say she's a gold digger
as she will always have a steady income herself.
But, have you seen her in that movie where she pulls her hair back? Her ears aren’t that BIG, are they?
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 11, 2009 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
and I still say that if she didn't have huge knockers know one would know who she was
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
15 yards - I'm throwing a flag
Don’t make it sound like having those is a bad thing. Keep the tone positive – I am pretty sure they are real, and they’re spectacular.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 11, 2009 7:28 PM CST up reply actions
Romo's QB Rating
I have a question.
What was the Cowboys record and Romo’s QB rating in games that Kosier played?
Not sure the rating
but Kosier played in the Green Bay and and the second Washington game, if I’m not mistaken. Romo’s stats were as follows:
30-17-260-1-1
27-19-198-1-2
39-23-341-3-0 (I think Kosier went out at some point in that game)
Total – 96-59-799-5-3
At first glane that seems like a rating of about 95, but look at the running stats. Barber had two 100-yard games, and Jones had his 60 yard TD against the Packers. The team won two tough away games. They missed Kosier the other 13 games.
Green Bay game, 82.6. 2nd Washington game, 72.8. San Francisco, 113.3. Their record was 3-0.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 9, 2009 1:11 AM CST up reply actions
Here's my question
since people wanna trade Romo, if they do, who do we get to replace him? I’ve seen a lot of “get rid of Romo” posts, but no “replace him with” responses. Bollinger? Derek Anderson? No thanks.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
People don't really want Romo gone.
They just want to complain about him.. Similar to how I complain about my wife.. I wish she did this, I wish she did that.. Do I think there is a woman out there who might be able to do it all? Sure. But, I also know 99% of all Women aren’t any better, if not worse. Every women has their problems, every women has there bad days. QB’s are no different, but I know we have a good one. Was I disappointed last year? Absolutely, does Romo need accept some of the blame? Absolutely, but was it his entirely fault no way, no how. He had a better season then a lot of the playoff QB’s. Delhomme, T. Jackson/G. Freottete, K. Collins, Ben. R., Joe Flacco, and Matt Ryan.. Now, I am looking at the just QB’s, for those who want to argue about the rookies had a better season, statistically they did not. The rookies did a great job, but they didn’t carry their team, their Defense and running game did. Both did a good job, just not better then Romo.
I’ll take my lumps with Romo!! He is my Quarterback..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
Maybe they have crushes on Matt Cassel
and dream of him getting them to 11 wins with no playoffs next year.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 9, 2009 5:52 PM CST up reply actions
This thread needs one of those stop sign things
that direct us to the part 2 link.
George Teague did it all.
Myths
…on “Inopportune” Turnovers (Romo Myths, Part 1)
http://www.dallascowboysfans.net/inopportune-turnovers-romo-myths-part-1
…on Winning BIG GAMES (Romo Myths, Part 2)
http://www.dallascowboysfans.net/winning-big-games-romo-myths-part-2
…on Being “the Guy” (Romo Myth #3)
http://www.dallascowboysfans.net/being-guy-romo-myth-3
…on Coming Through in “Crunch Time” (Romo Myth #4)
http://www.dallascowboysfans.net/coming-through-crunch-time-romo-myth-4
Stop the Madness - Enshrine Bob Hayes
"I played for the world's greatest professional sports team in history. Once a Dallas Cowboy, always a Dallas Cowboy." - Bob Hayes
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by Raul Villaronga on Jan 10, 2009 10:23 AM CST reply actions
Yes they were
But they span his 2½ season career so I’m not sure one game skews the concept.
Stop the Madness - Enshrine Bob Hayes
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http://www.bloggingtheboys.com
by Raul Villaronga on Jan 11, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
please note the last two myths could not be found
maybe the writer thought better of defending Romo…
Instead of
clicking on each one, start with Myth #1 and click the link at the bottom of each story to go to the next one …
I messed up the links to 3 and 4 …
Stop the Madness - Enshrine Bob Hayes
"I played for the world's greatest professional sports team in history. Once a Dallas Cowboy, always a Dallas Cowboy." - Bob Hayes
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com
by Raul Villaronga on Jan 11, 2009 9:50 AM CST up reply actions
Everybody see what happened to Jake Delhomme last night?
On his birthday, for crying out loud.
Just goes to show you that any QB can have a bad day, even with a plethora of skill position players. Sometimes you just get beat.
So, all of you on Matt Ryan’s jock—go to the Atlanta blog. Talk about shoulda woulda couldas there.
The QB position is the one you should support the most on your team, no matter what.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 11, 2009 10:02 AM CST reply actions
That's ridiculous.
You shouldn’t support anyone or anything “no matter what.”
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 11, 2009 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
What's ridiculous about that?
The QB has his hands on the ball more than anybody. Unless you’re scoring mad points on D/ST, your QB is your leader.
What’s ridiculous is fans going gaga over whatever new QB they see have success on T.V. and say he’s better than Romo.
Trust me, I’ve wanted to ring the guy’s neck, but he’s had a much tougher schedule than Ryan. Expectations have been through the roof since taking over the reign. Sometimes you have to stick with developing and spending time supporting what you have instead of looking over somebody else’s fence.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 11, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
So if he throws 48 INTs next season, you support him no matter what?
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 11, 2009 2:58 PM CST up reply actions
But he wont do that so Its a silly argument
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 11, 2009 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
thats such a ridiculous question
IMO, if Romo averages only 1 INT per game, thats a good because he is going to average 2 TDs per game and 2/1 TD/INT ratio is very good.
In Romo we Trust
He said we should support the QB no matter what.
And I think that’s not true. I didn’t say that Romo was going to do that, but I’m saying that no one deserves to be supported no matter what.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 11, 2009 6:54 PM CST up reply actions
It was obviously a figure of speech
He was saying fans shouldnt bash their franchise qb thats all
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 11, 2009 6:58 PM CST up reply actions
K.I.S.S.
KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID! Romo wants to be cute and liked by everyone. He’s not a top 10 QB, and needs to minimize his mistakes or be replaced after or during next season. Romo is responsible for making the reads. He’s the reason our offense didn’t produce and he’s the reason we didn’t make the playoffs. Yes, not the line, Romo. Had he not made critical mistakes we would have one a few more games, and been in the playoffs. One and done more than likely with Romo at the lead, but still we would have made the playoffs.
In any order you prefer
Warner, Rivers, P. Manning, Brady, Brees, MATT RYAN, Roethlisberger, E. Manning, McNabb, Rodgers, Pennington, Cassel
Just know all better than Romo.
No way..
Rodger- what is his record as a starter
B. Roth-did you watch him this season? The D carried that team, if he had our D on the other side that team would win 6-7 games
Pennington-LOL-Compare his game vs the ravens and Tony’s vs ravens.
Cassell-His best season, doesn’t hold a candle to Tony’s best-missed playoffs
matt ryan-good rookie, not better then romo-His best season not better then tony’s best-0-1 playoffs. average down the stretch.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
You're a Romo Fanboy
and I’m not so we will never meet eye to eye, but I bet if you poll fans/players across the country, Romo doesn’t crack their top 10. Guaranteed! I used to be a Romo defender, but I’m not oblivious to facts.
not the non-cowboy fans I talk too..
I can understand if you don’t want to defend Romo any longer, but to say QB’s who are clearly worse then Romo are better doesn’t make sense to me.. I know they qb’s you argue are better some of the names you named, aren’t in the ball game.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
3440 yards 26 TDs to 14 Ints for a 91.8 QB rating.
Find 10 that did better, especially while scrambling for their lives.
Stats are facts. Obviously, you are oblivious to facts.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 11, 2009 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
people are just looking for someone to blame..
It really isn’t Romo or TO’s fault
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
I am not
I am a Cowboys fan first and foremost. I want a QB who is a leader, places winning above all, makes minimal mistakes, and helps my team win games not lose them. I would hope Romo would have these attributes, but he doesn’t. Question for you Terry; If Romo was released or traded, would you still be a Cowboys fan? Seems as if your a Romo Fan above all.
thats not true
Romo is a leader and a winner and is the reason the Cowboys even had a chance at the playoffs. You obviously can’t see these attributes through your hate colored glasses.
To answer your question, of course I’d still be a fan, thats ridiculous, been a fan for 33 years and will continue until I die, although Romo being released or traded will not happen.
I’m a Romo fan because I think he’s a special qb having skills very few qbs possess and he’s only going to get better.
In Romo we Trust
Not making the playoffs this year
will probably be better in the long run for the team. Maybe it will lower the expectations for next year and they can just go out and play every week.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 11, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
-1
Not making the playoffs is not a good thing ever
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 11, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
Romo is easily a top 10 QB
He’s actually a top 6-8 qb and actual football people will tell you that. Romo is not going to get replaced mistakes or no mistakes and he’s definitely not the reason we didn’t make the playoffs, thats absolutely nonsense.
In Romo we Trust
It's not good
if Romo is dropping on your list. I remember earlier this year you proclaiming him a top 5 QB. Romo doesn’t win games, he loses them.
wrong
Players don’t win games, teams do. Thats a concept you need to understand.
I still think Romo is a top 5 qb, I was saying if you took a poll, anyone with any football knowledge whatsoever would have him in top 10 easily.
In Romo we Trust
When did TO lose the team a game?
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 11, 2009 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
The team played badly
that was the only reason the game was close in the first place. WR cant lose games on their own, its the nature of the position
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 11, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
the only Romo TO that truly affected
a game this season was the INT that lost the Pittsburgh game, the other losses weren’t caused by Romo’s TOs, there were many other reasons for the other 6 losses other than Romo.
I’m saying he’s blameless in those losses but he wasn’t the sole reason.
In Romo we Trust
not anymore than he was last year
Whether you like or not, Romo is going to be the face of the franchise for the next 5 years, deal with it if you want to remain a Cowboys fan.
In Romo we Trust
Even more so this year.
Romo is not exempt from being traded or released. I don’t know why would think other wise. If he doesn’t minimize mistakes and has an even worse year than last year, then he is gone. If he does well I will praise him, but in no way is he exempt.
Displaced Anger
The more I think about the more I wonder why are we blaming Romo and TO exclusively and not the under performing D? They had a couple of good games, but overall they under peformed. This D has the talent to carry the team or at least keep the team in every game. They underperformed and widely inconsistent. Yes they lead the league in sacks, but were in the bottom half of the leauge in points allowed and 3 to last in int’s
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
This looks like a copy and paste!
We need some new blood at safety. I love what Baltimore did with that position this year.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 11, 2009 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
This whole thread is silly
Romo is a top 10 QB … so are Eli and McNabb … but fans bitched and moaned in those cities too, so maybe all this crap about how bad is Romo will translate into a SB next year. Romo detractors earn zero respect from me.
Duane Thomas, Calvin Hill, Tony Dorsett, Emmitt Smith ... and now BOTH Marion Barber and Felix Jones
Eli is not a top 10 qb
And put Tash’s name into your sig
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 11, 2009 9:14 PM CST up reply actions
you have a point about choice...
but not quite the same league, yet
Duane Thomas, Calvin Hill, Tony Dorsett, Emmitt Smith ... and now BOTH Marion Barber and Felix Jones
We need to draft a QB to one day replace Romo and play when he is hurt (often)
2nd OT or DT or DE
3rd OT or DT
4th S
5th QB
We also need to trade for as many draft picks as we can get, and if the Falcons are interested Romo for Ryan straight up. Maybe this year Jerry wont give the Dolphins our players and instead get something in return..
Romo has missed 3 games in 3 years
thats not often. And Romo for Ryan will never happen, come back to reality.
In Romo we Trust

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