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T.O. or not T.O. how is that a question?

I'm seeing a lot of posters calling for the Cowboys to dismiss their best WR, and frankly, I don't see how this seems like a good idea to anyone. So let's take a look at just what he did this season. Here are his numbers for the 2008 campaign:

69 rec 1052 yards 15.2 ypc 10 tds

Remind me again how many receivers we have that can be counted on to put up these kinds of numbers. By my count 1, Terrell Owens! And keep in mind, this is with Tony Romo missing 3 games, and Brad Johnson playing who couldn't throw the ball more than a foot and a half. Think maybe, just maybe, TO might have had even more yards and maybe another TD or 2 had Romo played every game? His average yards per game for the season was 65.8. So for the sake of argument, lets say he gets that in those other 3 games, that would bring him to 1249 for the year, and some of you think he's done? Really?!

So let's look at the other complaints about our star WR. Regularly, it is thrown out that he wasn't beating the jam at the line. Did he really do that last year? Think back, he was constantly in motion prior to the snap during the 07 campaign, or coming out of the backfield or the slot. We saw much less of this during 08. Add in the protection issues that Romo faced, and it actually becomes fairly impressive that TO was able to do what he did this season.

So far, I haven't seen enough from Roy E. Williams to have faith in going into next season with him as our #1. As much as I like the development I've seen from Miles Austin, I'm not ready to see him as #2. I won't even bring up Crayton or Stanback. And keep in mind, every other receiver we have benefits immensely from TO's prescence on the field. It's obvious to me that every defense we played this season doesn't think TO's lost anything. He continued to face double coverage throughout the year, sometimes even triple, and that was with the jam at the line. Even during the Baltimore game, Ed Reed was constantly shaded over to whichever side of the field TO lined up at. So while he tells everyone what all of us here already knew, (that our offense was way too predictable) at the same time, their game plan showed us who they really feared.

So by all means, all of you want to see TO go, keep calling for his head. Then enjoy watching Williams', Austin's, Crayton's, Witten's and Romo's production suffer once defenses stop fearing our most dangerous threat.

This team needs Terrell Owens.

 

 

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I can’t understand people wanting to get rid of TO, he’s a good player, he wants to win, there were some players in this team that look they were just cashing checks every week, the problem with the Cowboys is the HEAD COACH and Garret, we can see Sparano was a big part of the offence last year, hopefully Garret will be able to ski next year in Denver.

by farawayfan66 on Jan 8, 2009 1:19 PM CST reply actions  

I agree, we need TO, but....

We need a HC that will command his respect and keep him in line. no more media baloney, and focus on the opponent. Garrett cannot now be considered as a HC candidate for the Cowboys, and they should have let him go to baltimore last year. Wade Phillips also is not going to command T.O.s respect, so the inevitable outcome is that you get a new HC that is not Wade or Garrett, or you get rid of TO. If you get rid of TO, it is not the end of the world though, but you have to do it early, and you have to replace TO with someone like…..T.J. Houshmenzadeh! Shannahan does command and earn the respect of T.O., and losing Ray Sherman would mean that T.O. would be better off elsewhere, so this is a little bit of a complicated crossword puzzle.

I would say the best is for T.O. to stay and replace Wade and Garrett with Wade as DC and Shannahan as HC and Sherman as OC, or get Dom Capers to become DC if Wade doesn’t stay on as DC. But the key to all of this is for Jerry to do this early, so that the team has a chance to jell and be ready for the beginning of the season.

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Jan 8, 2009 1:22 PM CST reply actions  

Forget TJ...

Considering the contract we gave Roy Williams (11) as well as TO’s contract (or the hit we’d take cutting him) Dallas will not be signing any other wide outs. Won’t happen.

In fact, I expect very little to be spent on offense this offseason, both in dollars and draft picks.

Considering the WR’s in place, plus Witten, Bennett, and our RB stable, and the need to lock up Austin, I wouldn’t expect to see anything more than a couple OL pickups and a new backup at QB. With multiple holes that need to be filled on the defensive side of the ball, I would expect the majority of our resources to go that way.

TO is going to have his media moments, he can’t help himself. But considering the trade off in production, his work ethic, and his willingness to work with the other receivers to help them improve, I am comfortable with that trade off.

by TLCM on Jan 8, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I dream of that scenario every night DallasP......every night....

GARRETT MUST GO !!!!!!!!

pass it on

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by BoyzRback on Jan 8, 2009 6:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice post.

I don’t want to see T.O. go. I just want to see him take a background stance next year—just be part of the team and let somebody else step up to be the leader. I understand that certain players are contracted by the NFL to speak to the media, but there are plenty guys on this team that will spend time doing that.
A quiet leader who helps develop the younger guys is what this team needs.

George Teague did it all.

by Aaron Novinger on Jan 8, 2009 1:50 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah, that will happen...

Hear that knock on your door? It’s the reality police, and they’ve come for you.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Jan 8, 2009 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey

he’s getting older. Doesn’t that equate to getting wiser?

George Teague did it all.

by Aaron Novinger on Jan 9, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

I think Jerry should put the clamps on the media....EVEN HE knows it got out of hand last season...

TO didn’t start all that crap…….Turder is a friggin roach…and should be banned from the locker room….heck..banned from Valley Ranch…period..

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by BoyzRback on Jan 8, 2009 6:48 PM CST up reply actions  

TO
69 rec 1052 yards 15.2 ypc 10 tds

If you look at the stat line alone your agrument is pretty solid, but how many WR’s see as many balls thrown to them as TO. Can you give me that stat? Can you find Targets? I want to see that.

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by Wmillion on Jan 8, 2009 2:01 PM CST reply actions  

It'll obviously be high

But at the same time, how many of those targets were actually quality catchable balls?

by AikmanNailedMySis on Jan 8, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions  

My thoughts exactly

I think there are just too many factors to calculate to come up with a reliable number

by TLCM on Jan 8, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

The problem with that is...

First finding the number is difficult. I did some searching and couldn’t find anything. But just having the number of times he was thrown to actually tells us very little. To really get a sense of it, you would need to know how many of them were actually catchable, whether a DB got a hand on it, etc. I don’t see a possibility to look at all the factors that would play into figuring out how he really did in respect to every pass sent his way.

My point is, he is still the best WR on the roster, and until I see otherwise, the only one who can give us that kind of production.

by TLCM on Jan 8, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I know when T.O. complained after the WAS game...

BSPN said 20 balls were thrown his way. Two of those were thrown out of bound, but since they sailed over T.O., then they counted that as a target. I think he had 2 drops, which are legit targets. Also, how many ground balls were sent his way? WAAAY too many factors to get a legitimate number, but I’m sure BSPN found as many as they could to make a story.

by AikmanNailedMySis on Jan 8, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

say what you want

but, with the number of targets TO had this year his season was nothing more then average.

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by Wmillion on Jan 8, 2009 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Really?

So how many WR’s had more than 1000 yards and 10 TD’s this year?

I guess if he was just average than at least half the receivers in the league got there right?

by TLCM on Jan 8, 2009 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

10 TD's were above average

1000 yards were average. More rushing TD’s, More TD’s for Austin and Bennett( a good red zone threat).. Plus Roy will get some, better jump ball player then .. We will spread it in around..

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by Wmillion on Jan 8, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

-1

1000 yards isnt average

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 9, 2009 7:34 AM CST up reply actions  

your missing the point

TO is no longer special and we could make up for his production. His season was that much better then Kevin Walter.

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by Wmillion on Jan 9, 2009 10:04 AM CST up reply actions  

He's obviously above average

but those stats would be impressive for Crayton or RW—not for T.O. That is an average year for him, and I guarantee he’s not pleased with it.

George Teague did it all.

by Aaron Novinger on Jan 9, 2009 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

THERE IS a HUGE difference between balls thrown to, AND catchable balls.....and I saw at least 30 balls thrown in his direction that had NO CHANCE of being caught !!!!!!!!!

I pin that solely on the QB……..Romo wasn’t forcing balls to TO, he was simply WAY OFF on several attempts………look at the film

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by BoyzRback on Jan 8, 2009 6:50 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

targets is too subjective and too hard to count to be an official stat

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 9, 2009 7:35 AM CST up reply actions  

The Big IF

If he is turning are QB into a frightened headcase, he may need to go.

I have no idea if he is or not, adn I suspect most of us have no clue.

by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 8, 2009 2:03 PM CST reply actions  

Deke

Can you back that up with anything? Who is going to replace those yards and TD’s?

by TLCM on Jan 8, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

thats easy

RW, Austin and Crayton would all pick up the slack, not to mention Witten.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 8, 2009 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Is it that easy?

Really?

How do think those WR’s will do against the top corner for a defense?

Witten has already said he benefits alot from having TO out there. Keeps a safety from playing the middle against him.

With TO pulling 2 defenders from a defense its makes all these guys jobs a lot easier…I think you’d see them have a harder time without him there.

by TLCM on Jan 8, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

so you don't think a healthy RW could do the same thing?

And once Austin starts blowing by CBs on a regualr basis, I’m sure he’ll get some safety attention himself.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 8, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Haven't seen it yet...

I don’t really think you can compare RW11 or Austin to a future HOF WR like TO.

Don’t get me wrong, I like both of those guys and their potential. But they haven’t shown enough yet to start looking at letting TO go.

Can you imagine if RW11 got injured in your scenario? You’d have Crayton and Austin and as your top 2 options….Witten would become the guy who get doubled and tripled if that happened.

I just want to see a successful season from RW11 and Austin before we start even considering letting Owens go anywhere.

by TLCM on Jan 8, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

+1000

I can’t and won’t even attempt to put a price on T.O. taking defenders away from other targets. People seem to think that 1,000 yard receivers are easy to replace. And I love Miles, but

once Austin starts blowing by CBs on a regualr basis, I’m sure he’ll get some safety attention himself.

…I think you meant to write IF! Because he sure as hell hasn’t done it more than T.O. has…in fact I could count the number on one hand

by AikmanNailedMySis on Jan 8, 2009 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

its because he didn't play as much as T.O.

Austin certainly has the talent to blow by defenders the way T.O. does, but its hard to do it as much when he was hurt most the year and do it as the 3rd or 4th WR.

If he stays healthy and moves up the receiver chain, he’ll get more opportunities to do so.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 8, 2009 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

So you're saying...

That Miles Austin is as good as the future hall of famer Terrell Owens?

Really?

I’m with Aikmannailed my sis….send of us some of what you’re smoking…it must be primo stuff! lol

by TLCM on Jan 8, 2009 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

don't need to pick all of the slack in recieving

When can pick it up with rushing yards, 2 thousand yard WR’s. 1000 yd + from Roy, 1000 yd+ from Witten, 700 yds from Austin, and 500 yds from Crayton.. Dialed.

Plenty of talent still left, one less major headache.. Still don’t see it happening, but we will be fine if he is gone..

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 8, 2009 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Getting rid of your best playmeker in the passing game just sowe can run more doesnt make sense

Dont you think the threat of TO in the passing game helps our running game

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 9, 2009 7:38 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm saying he has the potential to be

He has all the tools, why not?

BTW, anyone who thinks that T.O. is playing at a HOF level at this point in his career are the ones smoking something.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 8, 2009 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I dont think you understand how rare a player of TOs caliber is

Austin is an undrafted WR who has caught less than 50 balls in his career, and you expect him to play the way TO does?

And 10 Tds in what was effectively 13 games, thats pretty good even if its not quite “HOF level”

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 9, 2009 7:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Rare???

I’ll admit he’s a rare athlete, but certainly not WR.

Any WR who drops a lot of balls and runs sloppy routes is not rare.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 9, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions  

4th most TDs in the history of the game

6th most all time receptions

TO is a special WR

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 9, 2009 6:56 PM CST up reply actions  

25 TDs in the last 2 years

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 10, 2009 5:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Was Jerry Rice playing at a "HOF Level" with the Seahawks?

No, but he’s still the best receiver in history…and he was still pretty damn good. and he can still pass on knowledge to the Williams, Scandricks and Austins of the team…

by AikmanNailedMySis on Jan 9, 2009 9:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Why do you think Witten crayton and austin get all those catches. Because theres a guy out there getting double somtimes even triple covered that lets them get single coverage and the ability to burn the defenders

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by CowboyLonghorn on Jan 18, 2009 8:29 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 18, 2009 8:43 PM CST up reply actions  

And to think, TO produced more yardage and TD's than Crayton, Austin, Hurd, RW2, and Stanback combined.

All while having to endure press coverages, and double-triple teams all season long.

Hmmmm..interesting

by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 19, 2009 12:53 AM CST up reply actions  

i agree

i think the lack of TO makes Romo have to spread the ball around more.

by pdw1731 on Jan 9, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Yup

I will say it a thousand times. You don’t need a star WR with an attitude to win games. WRs are just the icing on the cake you’re trying to bake.

George Teague did it all.

by Aaron Novinger on Jan 9, 2009 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

its not about his numbers or production necessarily

Its about him possibly dividing the locker room and causing distractions. Quite frankly, I never liked T.O. at all but had to accept him as a Cowboy. He played well last season, but this season he’s ran sloppy routes and quit on some patterns which lead to a few of Romo’s INTs.

He’s definitely a talent and puts fear into opposing defenses, but like Pacrat, the question you have to ask yourself, is he really worth all the baggage that comes with him?

IMO, no.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 8, 2009 2:16 PM CST reply actions  

I disagree...

First to put Owens and Pacrat in the same category just seems wrong.

Owens doesn’t get into legal trouble, he’s just a bonehead who doesn’t know how to keep his foot out of his mouth.

Second, his production versus Pac’s is a totally different story. One produces at a high level, and the other gets suspended for fighting in bathrooms..

3 seasons in Dallas so far for TO…all over 1000 yards with double digit TD’s

by TLCM on Jan 8, 2009 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

distractions are distractions no matter legal or criminal

There is no difference between Pacrat getting arrested and T.O. flying off at the mouth, they both cause headlines.

I got news for you, T.O. didn’t produce at a high level this year, not nearly as well as ‘07. If he was, I might tend to agree with you, but he’s not producing like he should.

We need WRs who run great routes and catch the ball.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 8, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

OK but...

You need to remember our pasing game disappeared for 3 games midseason when BJ was starting.

TO is only a couple hundred yards off last season…in fact his numbers this year are almost identical to his 06 numbers…no one was complaining then.

by TLCM on Jan 8, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

thats because we didn't crap the bed

like we did this year. There has to be a significant cut this year to get the team’s attention, to make the players stand up and take notice that things will be different now.

Cutting T.O. accomplishes that goal, it would get everyones attention.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 8, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

And it would cost the team more to cut him than keep him

It would just be a bad decision

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 9, 2009 7:44 AM CST up reply actions  

HAHAHAHAHAHA

When is anything (unless Romo’s the topic of discussion) good enough for you, Terry? 1000+ yards and 10+ TD’s isn’t? Alright, well go to Bill Parcells’ orchard and start picking WRs. And really?!?!? T.O. = Pac as far as distractions? REALLY? Dude, whatever you’re smoking, I want a bag…

by AikmanNailedMySis on Jan 8, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 9, 2009 7:44 AM CST up reply actions  

I will

I’ll take Ted Ginn
I’ll take Devonne Bess
I’ll take Camarillo.

This team does not NEED T.O.

George Teague did it all.

by Aaron Novinger on Jan 9, 2009 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

"There is no difference between Pacrat getting arrested and T.O. flying off at the mouth"

Terry that is just so unbeleivably wrong. Just wow

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 9, 2009 7:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Its true from a distraction standpoint

They both would be in the media and causing a distraction, just don’t see the difference in that regard.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 9, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Oddly neither did Romo produce at a high level this year...

If the QB is not producing well than neither will the receiver. Give Romo more pass protection and it will give Owens more time to run Garrett’s horrifically time consuming routes, and then both QB and WR’ s production goes back up to 2007 levels or better.

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by gee-roj on Jan 9, 2009 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

3400 yards 26TDs to 14 picks for a 91.8 QB rating

is nothing to sneeze at, especially missing 3 games.

George Teague did it all.

by Aaron Novinger on Jan 9, 2009 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

that is a good season..

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by Wmillion on Jan 9, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Neither is

69 rec for 1052 yards, (15.2 ypc) and 10 tds something to sneeze at either. Especially since TO didn’t have a QB for 3 of those games.

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by gee-roj on Jan 9, 2009 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

that's chump change

for T.O.‘s standards. He still played every game, and there was a QB. Doesn’t matter who it is, he’s still out there.

George Teague did it all.

by Aaron Novinger on Jan 9, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

it does

if the qb cant move like romo and the o line is a sieve so therefore no time to get the to TO or anyone for that matter.. what did we score like 20 points all three games yeah

What the French?! Toast!

by thebigham on Jan 10, 2009 8:33 AM CST up reply actions  

What do you mean it doesnt matter who the qb is?

Are you saying that you would expect the same production from TO if he had me as his qb compared to when he had someone like Romo?

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 10, 2009 8:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Not the same

but I don’t expect him to get held in check as he does. He’s not Superman.

George Teague did it all.

by Aaron Novinger on Jan 11, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Everyone was held in check while BJ was qb

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 11, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd like him to stay on one more year at least

But T.O. is getting OLD. The 1996 draft class for wide receivers was excellent (Keyshawn, Terry Glenn, Marvin Harrison, Eddie Kennison, Eric Moulds, T.O., Joe Horn), but most are retired or decrepit. How long can T.O. realistically keep this up? I know he’s in great shape but he has to be playing on borrowed time. The question is, how much time, how much quality time?

Jerry Rice and Charlie Joiner are the only receivers off the top of my head that I can think of who put up quality numbers past the age of 35.

by DavidH22 on Jan 8, 2009 2:22 PM CST reply actions  

TO is another one that can do the same

I think, if injury free, he can have two more high quality seasons.

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by gee-roj on Jan 9, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

harrison?

yeah hes still doing it

What the French?! Toast!

by thebigham on Jan 10, 2009 8:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Cut TO, Put More Emphasis on the Running Game

We have 3 good running backs, a big offensive line, and a talented but mistake prone QB… imo we really should be trying to forge our identity as a run team. I don’t think that can happen so long as we are forcing so many balls to TO. The guy puts up great numbers, and there is no doubt that our passing game will have be scaled back if he is gone, but I don’t necessarily see that as a bad thing.

by Spaceball on Jan 8, 2009 2:36 PM CST reply actions  

it can't happen with Garrett here

he would have to sign with the Lions for that to be a possibility.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 8, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

+1 Spaceball

Pass to set up the run to set up the pass, if you know what I mean. I’ve said it before, Garrett is smart enough to graduate from Princeton. I’m pretty sure he can wrap his head around involving a top 5 rush attack like The Hydra (you like that, No1CowboysFan?) is capable of becoming. Then when you stack the box to stop one of our runners, BAM! Miles down the sideline. Witt on the seam route. T.O. in motion running a drag across the middle of the field and getting 30 YAC yards. Now that the D has to lay off the box, BAAAAAAM!!! Felix hits the grand salami! Holy hell, I’m getting goosebumps just typing what our offense is capable of being next year!!!

by AikmanNailedMySis on Jan 8, 2009 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

That's Brilliant!

Then defenses could stack k the line of scrimmage with 9 defenders because they wouldn’t have t o worry about the Cowboy passing attack.

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by gee-roj on Jan 9, 2009 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Cutting TO does NOT help the running game.

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by gee-roj on Jan 9, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

let them

I’ll take my chances with Witten, Roy, and Austin one on one..

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 9, 2009 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Roy also cries...

If he doesn’t get the ball but he’s only had one truly great season. Nothing there the Giants or Eagles will have to worry about.

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by gee-roj on Jan 9, 2009 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL

The guy has been stuck in D-town on the worst team in football and has bearly said a peep, now he is cries.. I love it..

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 9, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

All the pro-TO people

keep bringing up his numbers but I would sure love a season where he is not in the news every freaking week, dragging the cowboys into the limelight in a negative manner. Obviously he is a talent but he and Romo seem to have zero chemistry and, in fact, some of Romo’s worst games are when he tries to force TO into the game plan.

Every game this year where TO didn’t start off hot, the cameras began to focus on him and the announcers would say “uh oh, TO doesn’t have a catch yet.”

You tell me how this mess of players will ever become a team with that kind of bullsh*t to deal with day in and day out. This year’s team imploded so spectacularly that no move that could improve chemistry should be questioned and I have seen enough of TO to hope we get rid of him.

by Billito on Jan 8, 2009 3:00 PM CST reply actions  

I completely understand T.O.'s past having a huge effect on his present

The dude is a magnet. They show him on the sideline and he’s doing absolutely nothing, but still gets crapped on. Then he’ll get in someone’s face (I’m talking about you Gurode) and he’s crapped on for being a bad teammate. Meanwhile, everybody wants a vocal leader. Again, I know his past but I’m looking past it because of his numbers. And as long as King Jerry is in the luxury suite, nobody can complain about media attention because he’s the biggest magnet of them all. I saw it on ESPN’s bottomline last night. Jerry Jones clogs stadium toilet, turmoil in Big D!

by AikmanNailedMySis on Jan 8, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Thats twice AikmanNailed...

That you’ve had me laughing on this thread! That last line was classic!

by TLCM on Jan 8, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree about TOs past

I cant remember which game but it was in the first half of the season and I counted 14 shots of him sitting on the bench. The media is just obsessed with him and he cant escape it

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 9, 2009 7:47 AM CST up reply actions  

keep in mind

T.O. is an easy media story to write. Lazy journalism keeps T.O. in the news

by cow_fanatic on Jan 9, 2009 9:26 AM CST up reply actions  

The media creates most of this...

Not TO

0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.

by gee-roj on Jan 9, 2009 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

That's what sad about it.

He’s an exciting player, but I would be curious to see what kind of team the Cowboys would have without him.

George Teague did it all.

by Aaron Novinger on Jan 9, 2009 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

+1....they created the whole damn thing...TO is here to win football games...period..

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

President - Garrett MUST GO campaign -

by BoyzRback on Jan 10, 2009 12:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Here's the thing about T.O.

I love T.O. I love watching him give some defender a hip shimmy and blowing by him with his ridiculously long legs. I love the separation he gets when teams choose to try single coverage and the way he forces safety help over the top in more cases than not.

But here is the thing; Owens is making Romo a lesser player than he would be without him.

Romo tries to force balls to Owens and with T.O.‘s inconsistent route running, I think Romo ends up looking worse than he is. We need a QB who can scan the field, go through his progressions and not feel threatened by the presence like that of Owens and what might happen if he DOESN’T get the number of balls thrown at him that he expects. Dallas’ offense has to be more precise in 2009, and with T.O. just doing what T.O. does, this offense will stagnate.

I’ve arrived at a point where I think Romo won’t be the QB that BTB’ers want him to be unless T.O. leaves and Romo is forced to play more within the SCHEME of an offense. Poor execution combined with Romo’s penchant for wanting to do too much is a recipe for continued disaster.

Having said that, Romo has to do his part and stop pressing and fumbling. He also needs better blitz protections than he got this year.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Jan 8, 2009 4:08 PM CST reply actions  

+1

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 8, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

-100000

Don't believe everything you think.

Your causes are cute!!!

by stoproyce on Jan 10, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Id trade T.O. for a top 10 guy

but you wont get any takers. Thing about TO is he does draw the double coverage and a Cowboys offense with Miles Austin, Patrick Crayton and Roy Williams without TO loses on Madden, and it loses on the field.

by sam0807 on Jan 8, 2009 4:10 PM CST reply actions  

TLCM....I couldn't EXPLAIN IT BETTER.....excellent write up..........

some get it…some don’t…

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

President - Garrett MUST GO campaign -

by BoyzRback on Jan 8, 2009 6:42 PM CST reply actions  

I get your point

I just disagree.. :)

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 8, 2009 6:51 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 9, 2009 7:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Keep in mind that if by some miracle Shanahan does end up in Dallas as either the HC or OC …

That TO is a practically a prototype receiver for the type of offense he runs.

0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.

by gee-roj on Jan 9, 2009 11:55 AM CST reply actions  

+1.....TO would probably get extended if Shanny came here

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

President - Garrett MUST GO campaign -

by BoyzRback on Jan 10, 2009 12:40 AM CST reply actions  

he is signed for 3 more years.

I don’t think he needs to be extended. but I do agree that Shanny would want him. I do also.

"Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth." -Tyson

by cmr3 on Jan 10, 2009 8:19 AM CST up reply actions  

This year

TO cause maybe one media story……. the rest the media all made up assuming on his past reputation. I believe TO has the best of intentions here in dallas and i really dont think he would be complaining if he didnt get any catches as long as we were blowing teams away. He went to garrett this year because hes been on some very very good Offenses and knows when a team is being predictable and vanilla.

TO wants to win.

If we are losing of course hes going to want balls his way because he BELIEVES that he can turn any play into a TD!

Last year there was atleast a 3game stretch where TO did little in the way of stats for this team.. did we hear anything from him.. NO! WHY? because other player had great games and we kicked butt! This year not so much but yet did we hear anything no!

To summarize TO has been around awhile and just wants to win. He has the best of intentions in dallas and just wants to win. He plays 120% on the field and doesnt get into any legal trouble. He hasnt been a goof in the media since the OD thing. This year with everything that happen there was no “TO Blow up” why because hes changed. He went to garrett to get this offense out of its slump and be less predictable.

What the French?! Toast!

by thebigham on Jan 10, 2009 8:44 AM CST reply actions  

Sooo...

It doesn’t matter what he does… It doesn’t matter what he says or doesn’t say… As long as he gets his stats we keep him?

No wonder he complains so much about getting passes.

by Mojoness on Jan 10, 2009 9:50 AM CST reply actions  

and

TO wants to win… He just likes being in the media more than winning.

It is a simple formula-

Distraction = bad for a football team
He complains to the media = distraction

It doesn’t matter it the guy is right or wrong he knows the media is going to make a big deal out of what he says… If there is a single person on the planet who should keep their mouth shut it is TO. Is it so hard to do? How many cowboys DON"T complain to the media? I would say the vast majority.

by Mojoness on Jan 10, 2009 11:36 AM CST reply actions  

He complained this season about not being involved enough

After 10+ targets.. Come on don’t bury your head in the sand..

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 10, 2009 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I remember that one...

“Come on don’t bury your head in the sand”

That some kind of Aardvark comment?

by Mojoness on Jan 10, 2009 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

does your distraction formula go for our golden boy qb and his hot gf? or do we ignore those media concoctions as media concoctions but jump on terrell because

you wouldn’t want him over for beers? The ability of some posters here to maintain two diametrically opposed opinions about the same thing at the same time is laughable.I would argue that Romo has been as much if not more of a distraction(media contrived or not) as TO or Pac. Yet the apologists can turn a blind eye to their man crush. TO=HOF Romo= ?

Don't believe everything you think.

Your causes are cute!!!

by stoproyce on Jan 10, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Personally I think he is dating her because she is hot...

Not because it gets him attention..

That to me is the difference. TO seems to do it on purpose…

It makes sense really… The higher profile he is the more opportunities he is going to have post football.

by Mojoness on Jan 10, 2009 12:48 PM CST reply actions  

I do think

If you have a complaint about Romo, his ‘aw shucks’ attitude may be a detriment although it is hard to guess what is going on in the locker room and huddle.

Football seems to be like war. There is a certain type of person you would want to go to war with. (Kinda like Choice’s speach… I would go to war with that guy.)

by Mojoness on Jan 10, 2009 12:52 PM CST reply actions  

football is not like war

it just a game for crying out loud.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 10, 2009 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

terry

its not ttoo late to be a steelers fan. your life would be so much better if you just made the more natural choice :)

by Michael Bean on Jan 10, 2009 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd rather stick a knife

in each of my eyeballs and a hot poker up my ass than root for the Steelers

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 10, 2009 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

can we watch

Don't believe everything you think.

Your causes are cute!!!

by stoproyce on Jan 10, 2009 4:09 PM CST reply actions  

Just because we dont "need" someone (although thats debateable)

doesnt mean he wont help

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 10, 2009 8:10 PM CST up reply actions  

the only way you keep him

is with a strong head coach. a strong head coach will not allow a locker room to get divided. a strong head coach will demand that TO stay around during the off-season so Romo and TO can get on the same page.

if you keep wade, he doesn’t have that nuts to push TO.

by juniorb on Jan 10, 2009 8:44 PM CST reply actions  

TO doesnt need to stay around with Romo during the offseason

Owens works harder than anyone else in the offseason, Romo should go work with him

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 10, 2009 8:58 PM CST up reply actions  

on his physical shape

obviously not his route running.. Fine tune your craft show boat, so this team go the next level..

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 10, 2009 11:47 PM CST up reply actions  

TO isnt the only player who needs to improve aspects of his game

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 11, 2009 1:48 AM CST up reply actions  

ok

but this discussion is about TO.

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 11, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah I get that

Im just saying is all

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 11, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions  

You mean

Owens should come to Dallas to work with Romo.

George Teague did it all.

by Aaron Novinger on Jan 11, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions  

It's a good debate

He can make plays and opens up the field for other players, but the constant soap opera is getting old. I thought he had changed last season, but he’s regressed this season and is back to his old self off the field. Not to mention he’s getting older, still drops passes way too much, and runs the wrong routes too often (or else Romo and him aren’t on the same page).

I don’t think Jerry will cut him, but he did go out and get RW2. Dallas might also find another WR in the draft. I guess the odds that he does get cut are much higher than last year. If he would only shut the heck up and not be a lightning rod for drama, I’d say it’s a no-brainer to keep him, but I don’t think he can escape his past or change his persona.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Jan 10, 2009 9:14 PM CST reply actions  

3 points to sum up T.O.

1. He can break games wide open.
2. When he does, he celebrates himself.
3. When he doesn’t, he’s more apt to use the word “WE”.

George Teague did it all.

by Aaron Novinger on Jan 11, 2009 10:14 AM CST reply actions  

If we had a good running game. I would at least open my mind to letting T.O. go.

But we dont. We have three good backs, but we have an offensive line that does not consistently create holes. If I thought we could lean on our running game. Then, maybe, maybe, I would think cutting T.O. made a little sense. But our line or run blocking scheme forces us to be a passing team. Our line just doesn’t maul people like they should at their size.

Cris Carter....you're dead to me.

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 11, 2009 11:09 AM CST reply actions  

forget TO

What we are going to D get our playing more consistent?
1st round pick newman
1st round pick roy williams
1st round pick demarcus ware
1st round pick m. jenkins
1st round pick a. spencer
1st round pick m. spears
Pro bowler jay ratliff
Pro bowler last year Hamln

Our D is littered with talent players, high draft picks, and most of them are starters, when are we going to get the return on that money..

Forget ROMO, Forget TO, what is up with our D.

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 11, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Dont forget

1st round pick Carpenter.

(insert joke here)

Cris Carter....you're dead to me.

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 11, 2009 10:23 PM CST up reply actions  

wow..

When is our d going to play more consistent?

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 11, 2009 11:17 AM CST reply actions  

When we get a ballhawking safety

and a bad a$$ middle LB next to Bradie.

George Teague did it all.

by Aaron Novinger on Jan 11, 2009 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

fa sho..

I would be happy with just an upgrade at Safety..

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 11, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

yes an upgrade at saftey wil go a long long way...

Jim Johnson said its because of his safties that he can play so aggressive

What the French?! Toast!

by thebigham on Jan 11, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I heard that too

Every time you look you see dawkins and mikell making plays.

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 11, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 11, 2009 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Keep TO

Trade Crayton for picks Keep Hurd Keep Austin and see what Roy Williams does after he learns whatever new offense we get after Garrett finds a new job.

by sam0807 on Jan 12, 2009 12:42 PM CST reply actions  

Picks?

Did you just say picks? For the Crayton? Maybe if they extended the draft to 12 rounds again, you could get an 11th and 12th for him. The best you’d get for Crayton is a 5th, MAYBE a 4th; oh, and a can of spam. That’s it.

by MadMick on Jan 16, 2009 1:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Jerry's a hustla

I bet he could get a 6th, a can of spam, and two chinstraps for Pat.

IF YOU'RE LOOKIN FOR ME...I'M AT THE SCRIP CLUB WITH PACMAN.

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 16, 2009 6:28 AM CST up reply actions  

My Two Cents on TO

I recall a time in the early 1990’s when Brett Favre to Sterling Sharpe dominated the passing offense in Green Bay. Everyone else in the passing game was an afterthought. Favre was roundly criticized for focusing way too much on Sterling Sharpe. (Sound vaguely familiar?) Then Sterling Sharpe had to suddenly retire due to a neck or spinal cord problem. Everyone thought the Packers passing game was finished. Lo and behold, it flourished like never before as heretofore mostly unknown guys like Robert Brooks, Mark Chmura and Antonio Freeman made the most of their opportunity. Favre was forced to spread the ball around because he lost his security blanket…. and he became a better quarterback because of it. Maybe Romo will improve without TO? Maybe Witten and Bennett can be our version of Mark Chmura and Keith Jackson? Maybe Miles Austin can be our Robert Brooks? Maybe Felix Jones in the slot will be a Reggie-Bush-like weapon? My point is that there is plenty of talent on this team and we shouldn’t be looking at one guy to simply replace TO’s stats.

Nobody can be sure if cutting TO this off-season is the right move. However, I think we do know a few things:

· What we have in place right now definitely is not working, so some major change needs to be made to the offense.

· There must be a major change in the chemistry on this team this off-season and cutting TO would unquestionably do just that. Would it change it for the better? That’s debatable, but you don’t lose a strong personality like TO without upsetting the proverbial apple cart.

· TO is definitely on the downside of his career. While the drop-off may have not been very big last season, it will accelerate soon, likely very soon. It’s better to cut a guy a year too early, especially when he is a notorious head case.

· One of the true strengths of this team is the running game. The focus of the offense should move somewhat in that direction. That should also put Romo in a better position to not take as many risks.

I guess I’m leaning in the direction of cutting TO. He is a HOF wide receiver so I don’t take that position lightly, but his days of playing at a Pro Bowl level are over. Let youth be served. Give Romo the opportunity to become the leader of this team. I truly believe that the Cowboys best chance of making the Super Bowl lies with the improvement and maturity of Tony Romo. TO’s presence is hindering that, and his performance no longer justifies it.

by Cowboy Louie on Jan 14, 2009 8:58 PM CST reply actions  

actually

We agree on quite a few things – just not a lot when it comes to Romo. I enjoy reading your opinions on everything else.

by Cowboy Louie on Jan 15, 2009 6:09 AM CST up reply actions  

But we disagree

To me the key is this “Nobody can be sure if cutting TO this off-season is the right move”. It could prove to be very bad for this offense, and with this team built to win now, thats a pretty big risk.
On the things you “know”, I disagree that the offenses major change needs to be in its personel. These guys worked well last year, and we have had some key additions. To me the only major change that takes place needs to come in the way these guys are used through our strategy and gameplanning.
The other thing I would like to add to your list of things you know is that it would cost us an extra 650K against the cap to cut TO, and in economic times like this, that isnt something Jerry would do.

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 14, 2009 9:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I usually don't disagree with ya Louie.

But we are in win now mode, and having TO here for one more season only enhances our chances.

TO has never forced balls to TO. You put him out on proper routes that cater to his strengths, and this team flourishes, yet TO doesn’t call the plays for TO. TO is not the problem here. Nobody here would have problems with TO if he was used properly. Nobody here was bitching when he went off in Philly game#1, or 200+ against San Fran. TO is not the problem. You give Romo time and he’ll find an open TO. You only give him 3 seconds or less to make a decision, of course he’s going to throw it up for grabs in hopes TO will come down with it. Fix the play calls, Fix the OL play, and you got Romo to TO TD connection circa ‘06-’07.

by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 16, 2009 6:05 AM CST up reply actions  

+1

Is it just me, or can T.O. get loose in the middle of the field pretty much any time he wants? Okay well maybe we should send him in their every once in a while.

IF YOU'RE LOOKIN FOR ME...I'M AT THE SCRIP CLUB WITH PACMAN.

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 16, 2009 6:30 AM CST up reply actions  

+1

“having TO here for one more season only enhances our chances.”

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 16, 2009 7:10 AM CST up reply actions  

It's kinda funny that every time I have ever seen TO running across the middle he was wide open, ahead of his defender and in position to receive a throw.

You can’t double team or press a player when he runs a slant route, plain and simple. You put him in motion, he because that much more uncoverable. Do we do that much ? nope, not often. Every time we have, he was open, Romo either was off target with his deliver or TO caught the ball in stride, and turned it up for a big gain. Mostly all of his big gainers in his career have come on drag and slant routes, yet we seen that play call about 5 times this year. Go figure ?

by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 16, 2009 8:19 AM CST reply actions  

can't run slants against cover 2 zones

thats a good way for your receivers to get killed. You only run slants against man to man coverage and most teams don’t play us man to man.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 16, 2009 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

You can get the slant against any coverage.

It’s all about how you set it up, and which window you throw it in. You can hit a slant immediately off the line. You can hit in on a three step drop. You can hit you guy coming out the backside of the defense as he’s clearing the linebackers. You can run different depths.

Hell no you dont want to run a slant underneath the linebackers in a Cover 2. But there is a window behind them and in front of the safeties.

You can run combo routes to get defenders out of the middle of the field.

IF YOU'RE LOOKIN FOR ME...I'M AT THE SCRIP CLUB WITH PACMAN.

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 16, 2009 11:09 PM CST up reply actions  

T.O must stay

Apart from Witten he is still our best receiver.

by scotsman55 on Jan 16, 2009 2:04 PM CST reply actions  

TO is a better reciever than Witten

No question. Witten is a TE and as such does other things, but in terms of pure receivers TO is much better than Witten. Although this isnt a knock on Wittern

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 16, 2009 9:21 PM CST up reply actions  

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