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Some Cowboys Predictions Coming True

The ever-present ESPN, as quoted in Pro Football Talk:

During his update on the matter, ESPN’s Ed Werder dropped a couple of nuggets about which we weren’t previously aware.

First, he said that the Cowboys will make no attempt to re-sign defensive tackle Tank Johnson, who is due to be a free agent.

Second, Werder addressed the status of receiver Terrell Owens.

Explaining that it’s already a topic of discussion in Dallas as to whether Owens will be back, Werder said, “[T]here is a lot of internal debate about Owens, who’s viewed internally by some people as a descending player and a divisive force in the locker room, and the question is does his performance on the field justify some of the other problems he seems to be causing with players like [quarterback] Tony Romo and [tight end] Jason Witten?” 

It would be a stunning move, given that barely seven months ago the Cowboys signed him to a four-year, $34 million contract, with $12.9 million guaranteed.

A couple of points:

1.  Johnson was singled out in the defensive line autopsy and in yesterday's defensive rundown as an almost certain loss.  He threw his tantrum on the Philly sideline and his production didn't warrant the headache.  His departure was maybe second to Bruce Read's in the "duh" department. 

Cue nose tackle on the offseason to-do list.

2.  Owens.  Hmmmm.  It's no secret that at this point one year ago the Cowboys were looking at Roy Williams, Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald.  A source hinted then that the team wanted to get the young vet before it had to make a decision on re-upping T.O.  When no deal was cut and Owens was extended, I figured the Cowboys hand had been forced.

I'm agnostic on this one.  If T.O. stays, that's okay with me.  If he goes, so it goes.  My reasoning is that I'm not sold on Roy Williams, who did nothing to dispel the notion that he was becoming T.O. Lite in Detroit in '07.  He whined for the ball then and he simpered for the ball here late in the season.  In both cases, he was out played -- by Calvin Johnson in '07 and by every receiver and tight end on last year's Cowboys squad.

If the Cowboys are willing to cut the cord, this does tell me that Miles Austin will get a tender at a high price, if not a long-term deal that lowers his '09 cap burden.  Dallas cannot risk losing Owens AND Austin. 

-- Adam Jones, Tank Johnson, Bruce Read.   I'm liking this.

If Pat Watkins gets his walking papers, I'm going to Vegas.

More Juniors Declaring

Add Michael Crabtree, Beanie Wells and David Maclin to the list.

This pushes three more seniors into the Cowboys' 2nd-round draft orbit.

 

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We have met the snitch

and he is us.

Looks like Special Ed is reading BTB and quoting “internal sources.”

Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.

by OskieOskie on Jan 8, 2009 2:03 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

ha

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 9, 2009 11:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I like Austin enoguh to let T.O. go

I think with another training camp, he will develop some good chemistry with Romo and RW would then be our proven #1 WR, at least lets hope so and that the rumors of his poor work habits aren’t true.

I could definitely live with RW, Austin, Crayton, Hurd and Stanback as our WRs for 2009.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 8, 2009 2:07 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

BS......I go on record right now....

This Dallas Cowboys team has absolutely NO CHANCE to win a Super Bowl WITHOUT TO………

You may HATE on TO all you want, but I assure you EVERYONE elses performance on this offense (Witten, Austin, RW, Crayton, MBIII, F Jones, Choice, and Romo’s) will suffer dearly in this Garrett system without TO…..He makes all of their jobs easier, and he makes them better…..period…..And for Ed Turder….HE KNOWS NOTHING…and neither does his ghostly sources…..and to be quite frank, The USE of anything coming from that guy DOES NOT belong on this site, and i’m applauded by the insertion of crap material like this in a posting…….YOU are basically taking the ESPN network (The network we aren’t / or shouldn’t be watching or listening to) and shoveling this crap down our throats…….That’s BS……and I ill give our team NO chance at all of doing anything but the usual without TO…….My NCAA-Div.1-aa secondary wouldn’t be scared of RW, Crayton, and Austin….please….

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by BoyzRback on Jan 8, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

NFL teams

have been winning Super Bowls every year without TO. Why couldn’t we?

Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.

by OskieOskie on Jan 8, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

I want T.O. to stay, but I’ll admit, that was funny.

by MeanMr.Mustard on Jan 8, 2009 4:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

hmm interesting point..

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 8, 2009 5:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well...lets see...No Safety over the top hedging TO's deep ball capabilities....

Double teams on Witten & RW…press man coverage on Crayton & Austin….8-9 man box due to no playmakers to fear…..multiple CB/S blitzes….same ole same ole….look for a repeat of this past season…MINUS the 1,000+yard, 10 TD+ performer…..

I don’t need to explain it…..geeeeez….go look at tape from 2007 minus TO…good luck with that….we wouldn’t even have the 4th best WR group in our own stinkin division….TO isn’t going anywhere…AND I’m taking bets on it…

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by BoyzRback on Jan 8, 2009 5:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

you can't double RW, Witten and stack the box.

What kind of D is that? Why don’t we run it? Why double non-playmakers?

TO isn’t going anywhere because like a female, it is cheaper, to keep her..

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by Wmillion on Jan 8, 2009 5:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

and Jerry wants to win a SB NEXT year

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by BoyzRback on Jan 8, 2009 6:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We can..

You do realize the top seed in both the AFC and NFC don’t have a 1000 yard WR? Even without TO we would have two next season.. We would be just fine.

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by Wmillion on Jan 8, 2009 6:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We must have had some receivers playing that I didn't know about.

Who were the Cowboys other 2 WRs that got 1000 yards this year?

by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 8, 2009 7:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

next season

RWII and Witten if TO is gone.

Even without TO we would have two next season..

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by Wmillion on Jan 8, 2009 7:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Possibly.

I guess anything could happen.

by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 8, 2009 7:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I hope TO stays JUST to spite this foolishness....

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by BoyzRback on Jan 8, 2009 8:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

he will

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by Wmillion on Jan 8, 2009 8:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

TO and the SB

can’t win it with him, can’t win it without him.

Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.

by OskieOskie on Jan 9, 2009 8:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They also win them without me and you. So what's your point?

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by CowboyMan on Jan 9, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

My point

other teams win SBs without TO, why would we need him to win a SB? If TO were the magic ingredient for a Dallas Super Bowl, why haven’t we won one with him?

When Emmitt was holding out and missed the first game against the Redskins way back when, and Cowboys lost, Barry Switzer was asked in the post-game presser if not having Emmitt was why Dallas had lost the game.

“They (Washington) didn’t have Emmitt either, and they won,” Switzer said.

We can’t be hung up on any one player and expect to get close to the championship.

Having TO won’t get us to the SB. Getting rid of TO won’t keep us out of the SB. Simple as that.

Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.

by OskieOskie on Jan 9, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well other teams have been winning superbowls without Romo, Witten and Ware aswell

So i guess we should get rid of them to.

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 9, 2009 11:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, anybody who uses the phrase "hate on" has no credibility with me.

Another irrational person who can’t get past their TO man love. You named 8 other players who are all very good. There are others you left out. Don’t try to sell the crap that everything falls apart without 1 guy, that’s just pure BS. Very few teams in the league have the offensive skill players the Cowboys do and TO is replacable. For the record, which team has TO been on that won a SB? That’s not “hating on”, that’s just a fact.

by StillHateTheGiants on Jan 9, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

That’s why I always LOVE it when talented juniors declare that they’re entering the upcoming draft… because it adds depth to the talent pool and increases the chances of our Beloved Boyz to land potentially productive players.

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by silverblue5 on Jan 8, 2009 2:09 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

yes, but

doesn’t it also feed better players to the teams against which we’ll be playing? I’m not sure we “net” anything.

by eliason on Jan 8, 2009 3:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

good point. but honestly, i'm just thinking about da Cowboys!

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by silverblue5 on Jan 8, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They were going to come out

sooner or later. The only thing it really does is lessen the pool next year, but then again I’m sure more Jr’s will declare themselves then too. When it was one or two a year, that were really exceptional then it mattered. Now it’s just another draft.

by GunsUp on Jan 9, 2009 9:30 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If TO is cut...

Do you think we go out and get one of those WR FA i.e. TJ “Championship” Houshmanzadeh or Anquan Boldin?

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by Jtiner09 on Jan 8, 2009 2:21 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

absolutely not

we just paid a king’s ransom for RW, no way we pay another WR that kind of money.

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by Terry on Jan 8, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

in that case

DONT LET T.O. GO…

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by Jtiner09 on Jan 8, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ummm...Terry...IF we eliminated TO...his money (9 million) would be freed up to pursue another top tier WR.....

cuz Crayton and Austin opposite RW doesn’t scare ANYONE !!!

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by BoyzRback on Jan 8, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

all we would be saving is around $650,000 if he was cut

He got a three extension last year and big signing bonus last year, so the pro-rated bonus would go against the cap this year… we wouldn’t be savimg much, and I don’t think jerry would cut him regardless, which I’m sure there are growing number of people in this organization that want him gone… We’ll know by March since that’s when T.O is owed a $3 million roster bonus

by Deke on Jan 8, 2009 4:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Do i understand right...

Jerry said cutting TO would be 9 mil of dead money against the cap?

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by Wmillion on Jan 8, 2009 5:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

Kinda, but you have to subtract his salary from the accelerated bonus money, so the net cap cost would be much less, more like a mil or less.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Jan 8, 2009 5:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If they cut him

I’m about 75% sure Jerry wouldn’t do it. But that figure is down from 95% since the season ended.

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by APerfectStar on Jan 8, 2009 5:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It actually costs 650k more to cut him than keep him

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 9, 2009 11:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's 9 or so million against our cap either way.

If they don’t cut him, his salary and bonuses are just under 9 million dollars against the cap.

If they cut him, they don’t pay his salary, but his accelerated bonus costs 9 million against the cap.

So basically, you’re either paying 9 million to have him on the team, or paying 9 million to get him off of the team.

by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 8, 2009 7:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out....

TO stays…..

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by BoyzRback on Jan 8, 2009 8:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

But Jerry will end up paying more in the long run if he keeps him another year

because he’ll have to pay his roster bonus for next season so there is a difference

by quincyyyyy on Jan 8, 2009 8:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

isn't that apart of the 9 million?

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by Wmillion on Jan 8, 2009 9:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You're talking actual dollars, not salary cap dollars

And while it may be, I don’t believe that is an issue for Jerry. I think he’s more worried about the cap than the bank dollars. Any decision for TO will probably not factor in physical cash owed nearly as much as the effect on the salary cap.

by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 9, 2009 12:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just basing it on Jerry's history.

The guy has never been tight about stuff like that. He makes the decision that he thinks is best for the team and the cap, and, if anything, overpays guys.

by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 9, 2009 1:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

look....TO is playing out his contract signed 6 friggin months ago....

ya….the same contract everyone was all for..and applauding for…

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by BoyzRback on Jan 8, 2009 9:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What changed ?...besides the fact he was inappropriately used here in Dallas..

by an OC that has one foot out the door……please..

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by BoyzRback on Jan 9, 2009 11:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Austin's

21 YPC should..

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by Wmillion on Jan 8, 2009 5:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

lol...here we go.......you think think that average stays if TO's gone ???....

THIS SURELY IS……….THE FRIGGIN’ SILLY SEASON…….Let’s get rid of our BEST Playmaker to appease a lame duck OC…..TO stays…Garrett GOES……to be continued..I BET Romo would take TO over Garrett in a heart beat….

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by BoyzRback on Jan 8, 2009 5:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How do you know that?

Silly season? Because someone believes something different then you? Do I think Austin will average 21 yds a catch? No, but I think we could be a better team without TO.

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by Wmillion on Jan 8, 2009 5:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

you have nothing to back it up

its crazy that people think that the WR’s would be nearly as effective if TO was not on the other side.. crazy

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by Jtiner09 on Jan 9, 2009 7:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Also crazy

to think TO is the only WR on the planet who can draw double coverage and make a play.

Owens is not as good as he says he is, plus he is a liability in terms of team unity.

Adios, El Dorado.

Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.

by OskieOskie on Jan 9, 2009 8:16 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

man

People act like it impossible to complete a pass unless TO is on the field.

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by Wmillion on Jan 9, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

All the teams currently alive in the playoffs do not have a better receiving corp than the Cowboys without T.O. except for Arizona who is actually the worst team left in the playoffs.

The Cowboys offense could easily be better than all those offenses next season without T.O. and one of those offenses is going to win the SB this season.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 9, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

so jerry should pay 9 million so he can go play for someone else?

The thing that sold me on Owens coming to Dallas was partially so we would never have to play against him again, he used to murder us.I know you guys hate him but he does change the game.

Don't believe everything you think.

Your causes are cute!!!

by stoproyce on Jan 9, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No one iscsaying that its "impossible to complete a pass" if TO isnt on the feild

I just think that your assumption that a guy like Austin who has been plaugued with injury, and has caught less than 50 passes in his career can step in and do what TO does. Im not saying that he wont, but to expect him to just because he has a good YPC figure (bolstered by playing opposite TO) is just wrong

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 9, 2009 11:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No

If they cut T.O., they’re lining up like this:

  1. - Roy Williams, age 27
  2. - Miles Austin, age 24
  3. - Patrick Crayton, age 29

Williams has the huge deal, Austin is the emerging #2 and Crayton is two years into a four year deal.

Why do you go for another WR who would cost a fortune and would block Austin? You cut T.O., you’re eating $8 million in dead money.

And Boldin is under contract. Is Dallas going to give up MORE #1s to get him? Houshmandzedeh is not as productive as Owens. Why block Austin to get him?

by Rafael Vela on Jan 8, 2009 2:26 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

fair enough

but as much as i like the 3 recievers you listed.. I would not feel very comfortable with us marching those 3 out there next year.. I think RW2 will be ok, but now comanding a double team? not so much.. can someone give me some insight why you would be ok with our WR’s if T.O is cut??

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by Jtiner09 on Jan 8, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I can't think of too many teams

that can line up 3 better receivers than RW, Austin and Crayton. Maybe a handful but thats it. That trio looks pretty good to me.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 8, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I can't think of any teams

that can line up 3 better receivers than T.O., RW, and Stone Cold Miles Austin. That trio looks better to me

by AikmanNailedMySis on Jan 8, 2009 2:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Crayton

Talks more then Owens does.

by joey7289 on Jan 8, 2009 8:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I can think of plenty of teams that have three better WR than your list

Crayton is pretty good in the slot, RW is an average #1 at this point, and Austin is an unproved injury prone player who cant be relied on

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 9, 2009 11:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

then name them

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by Terry on Jan 10, 2009 5:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Green Bay, Arizona, New Orleans, Denver, Indianaopolis

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 11, 2009 6:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Even if I agree with these teams

I don’t call 5 teams out of 32 plenty.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 11, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

As much as I hate to admit it...

Arizona’s WR trio of Larry Fitzgerald, Anquan Boldin, and Steve Breaston all eclipsed 1,000 yds during the ’08 regular season.

I reluctantly give ’em their due props.

Emphasis on the word “reluctantly.”

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by silverblue5 on Jan 8, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

they are better

but, our should be better, and we much better at RB and TE.

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by Wmillion on Jan 8, 2009 5:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

but, our D,**

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by Wmillion on Jan 8, 2009 5:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Stone Cold Miles Austin

Is the greatest name i’ve EVER heard. Steve would be proud

by joey7289 on Jan 8, 2009 8:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

SAO FUNNY how last year his name was "Hands of Stone cold Miles Austin"

now he’s our savior……too funny…

he of 18 career receptions..

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by BoyzRback on Jan 8, 2009 8:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I know

I like him, good third receiver but to think this guy can play two right away is over thinking.

by joey7289 on Jan 8, 2009 9:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

not "over" thinking..more like NOT thinking at all..

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by BoyzRback on Jan 8, 2009 9:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+10000000

exactly. He has 18 catches, so what if he has a good YPC, its not like he has done that over an extended period or by playing as the number 1. To think he can replace a future HOFer is laughable.

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 9, 2009 11:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+10000000

exactly. He has 18 catches, so what if he has a good YPC, its not like he has done that over an extended period or by playing as the number 1. To think he can replace a future HOFer is laughable.

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 9, 2009 11:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

That trio is better then Pitt, Tennesse, Carolina, and NYG the top 2 seeds in both the NFC and AFC. Don’t forget we have Witten.

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 8, 2009 5:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree.

Roy Williams, Patrick Crayton, and Miles Austin’s best seasons combined = 2,285 yards. Steve Smith, Muhsin Muhammad, and Dante Rosario this year = 2,553yards. Hines Ward, Santonio Holmes, and Nate Washington this year = 2,495 yards.

by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 8, 2009 7:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow..

If TO is gone, Crayton’s and Austin’s numbers will go up, and Austin’s wiill shoot up..

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by Wmillion on Jan 8, 2009 7:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Crayton's as average as average can be.

Muhsin Muhammad and Amani Toomer are still far better than he is. Which no. 2 receiver made the big play and which one crapped the bed multiple times in the last ever playoff game in Texas Stadium? That’s who Patrick Crayton is. Plus neither Austin or Williams are half the player Smith is. Even factoring in Witten, I’ll still take the Panthers corps; that’s just how lethal Steve Smith is.

I do get your point that without T.O., Romo might be more relaxed, mature as a decision-maker and just hit the open guy every play because he would no longer have to worry about getting T.O. his quota for touches but I think’s it’s a huge reach to assume Austin would be able to give you the production of even a declining T.O. Once Alvin Harper was asked to be the lead dog, he ceased being Alvin Harper anymore; at this point, Austin is infinitely more effective as that extra option. Maybe in a year or two, he’ll have shown he’s capable of being a lead receiver. At this point: too limited a sampling size.

by MadMick on Jan 8, 2009 8:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

that is why he will be a 3rd wr

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by Wmillion on Jan 8, 2009 8:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How can you be so high on Austin?

What has he done to deserve this incessant praise form you and Terry?

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 9, 2009 11:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

all you have to do is watch him play

you should be able to see his tremendous talent, I think its obvious.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 10, 2009 5:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

-1

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 11, 2009 6:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I like that lineup

With 2 strong TEs and 3 capable running backs, all we need to do on the offensive side of the ball is fix the OL and find a competent backup QB. Addition by subtraction.

by NCCowboy on Jan 8, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

TO's Cap Status

A little research on TO’s contract. I wanted to see what would be the cost of cutting him.

6/2/2008: Signed a four-year, $34 million contract. The deal contains $13 million guaranteed, including a $12.9 million signing bonus. $100,000 of T.O.’s 2008 salary is guaranteed. 2008: $830,000, 2009: $2.67 million (+ $3.1 million roster bonus due in June), 2010: $7 million, 2011: $7.5 million, 2012: Free Agent. Cap charges: $5.721 million (2008), $8.995 million (2009), $10.725 million (2010), $10.225 million (2011).

If done before the June roster bonus, the gross cap hit for cutting TO would be $12.9 mil x 3/4, or $9,675,000. TO’s cap charge if he plays next season is $8,995,000. Cutting TO would cost Dallas an additional net $680,000.

Now lets look at cutting him after next season.

Gross cap hit would be $6,450,000 from accelerated signing bonus. His cap number if he plays is $10,725,000, according to the above. Dallas would save $4,275,000 off the 2010 cap (assuming there is one and the rules dont change) by cutting him then. That seems not unlikely.

Back to next year. An incremental $680K is not insurmountable. You could argue either for or against it.

by Ridgelake on Jan 8, 2009 2:29 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

good research Ridgelake

thanks

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by Jtiner09 on Jan 8, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Another way of looking at this is:

TO’s $8.995 million cap charge is whats known in economics as a “Sunk Cost”. Its the lowest amount that his cap charge could be under any circumstance.

The question then becomes is it worth $680,000 to NOT have him on the team next year? Thats what we have to answer.

by Ridgelake on Jan 8, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Lets not take injuries to skill players lightly

The one thing is, I like all the other WRs hands better than TOs, and hands are as important as blocking, they’re part of executing well

by AustonianAggie on Jan 8, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget

You would also have to pay the salary and bonus of whoever replaces TO – which maybe small if you are happy with RW, MA, PC + some developmental players.

by BoyfromOz on Jan 9, 2009 8:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We still

have Hurd waiting in the wings. Stanback is there also. We have the players, question is do we trust Austin and Crayton to stay healthy all year?

by GunsUp on Jan 9, 2009 9:36 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

TO may be declining but he is still worth Minus $680k in my book

I really question the logic of PAYING to get rid of him. Seriously.

What has he done that is really so bad? He was 100% well behaved in 2007 and supportive of his QB. The interview with Deon lacked class but was no worse than what a lot of other players have done last year, including Romo.

What he did following that was completely legit – he went to his OC to complain about his role etc – behind closed doors. He was not the one that made it public.

I don’t buy the crap spun by ESPN and the mediots – when pressed for evidence of his bad behaviour they always default back to McNabb and Garcia stories. As Madden said – the difference is he wants to be with the Cowboys.

by BoyfromOz on Jan 9, 2009 8:14 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

TO is being made a scapegoat based on his past

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Jan 9, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1...plain and friggin simple...

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

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by BoyzRback on Jan 9, 2009 11:50 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

same thing for Pac right?

If he just got in to a fight with a buddy would he have missed 6 games due to suspension?

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 9, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

agnostic is a good way to put it...

if he stays cool. i’ll take the double digit TDs. if he goes, i will not miss the whining and constant yapping.

"They need security in the world, Craig!"

by Tuna Helper on Jan 8, 2009 2:40 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

You are wrong about Watkins Raf

unless he is an unrestricted FA, I don’t see him leaving.

by quincyyyyy on Jan 8, 2009 2:54 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Watkins needs to hire a personal strength trainer...

…and bulk up with some power.

He’s probably the weakest player on D.

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by silverblue5 on Jan 8, 2009 3:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He'll be in TC for sure unless he is an UFA

but you said we would not bring him back, not that he’ll be beaten out for a roster spot to be precise.

by quincyyyyy on Jan 8, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I said he's gone

If he’s doesn’t play a game next season, he’s gone.

Who cares when they cut him?

Are you, his agent?

by Rafael Vela on Jan 8, 2009 11:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would rather see his roster spot

Go to another player..

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 9, 2009 12:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

you said we would hand him his walking papers this off season

not that he would be beaten out for a roster spot, which would unlikely but not impossible.

by quincyyyyy on Jan 9, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

get somebody in the middle who can stomp some face.

Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.

by OskieOskie on Jan 8, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What cap space?

You cut T.O., you accelerate millions of dollars of room. You gain no cap space by
cutting T.O.

Haynesworth isn’t leaving Tennessee.

Look at last year’s free agent market. What honest-to-goodness blue chippers were allowed to hit the market?

He’s staying with the Titans.

by Rafael Vela on Jan 8, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ahem next season will likely be uncapped to a certain extent

you can move most of that hit to next season. So you would probably save a few million dollars in cap space by cutting Owens.

You don’t know if Haynesworth isn’t leaving Tennessee. Both sides are really dragging their feet on the contract negotiations, and Haynesworth’s agent has said he would like to see his client test the FA waters.

Small market blue chippers hit the market. (i.e. Nate Clements)

by quincyyyyy on Jan 8, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You can't push the money into next year

because it is uncapped. The post June 1 cut is not available to teams this year.

by Mandmeisterx on Jan 9, 2009 7:05 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Look a few posts up

I listed what the cap cost would be to either cut or keep TO. Cutting him would COST us a net $680,000

by Ridgelake on Jan 8, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

To be clearer for folks

Owens will take up $8.995 million of the cap if he plays and roughly $9.7 million of the cap if the Cowboys cut him.

by NCCowboy on Jan 8, 2009 3:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Haynesworth

He might not be willing or able to make the transition to 3-4. Its a big difference for a tackle to turn to a nose

by Snatchandgrab on Jan 8, 2009 3:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That is correct

The June 1 exemption gone this year. Any cut gets assigned to this year’s cap.

by Ridgelake on Jan 8, 2009 3:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I see

well I believe we are starting with 10 million under the cap, cutting Pac Man would net us a couple million more. I think we could find a way to fit Haynesworth into our cap, assuming he’ll want 9 million or so a year.

by quincyyyyy on Jan 8, 2009 3:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Lets look at this further....

Pacman saves $1 mil according to the DMN blog, so our starting total is now $11 million in available cap space.

Now lets look at what needs to come out of that cap space. I’ll give you a hint on some pieces (rookie pool; possible FA safety, LB and/or NT; re-signing any/all of Austin, Canty, Burnett, Zach, Tank, Proctor; EXTENDING DEMARCUS WARE).

If you still think we can afford to sign Haynesworth, I’d like to have some of what you’re smoking. Can you send me some? :)

by Ridgelake on Jan 8, 2009 3:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I give you Austin

Burnett maybe. The rest will probably be let go (especially Canty if we go after Haynesworth). If Proctor comes back he’ll be resigned at vet minimum.

Then take into account the space we’ll save by cutting roy, then wait to extend ware

by quincyyyyy on Jan 8, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I like Austin too

I like Miles Austin too, but I don’t think he’s nearly as good as T.O. Romo can’t seem to throw a pass accurately to anyone but T.O and Witten. Most of the passes to RW were overthrown or thrown behind him.

by Snatchandgrab on Jan 8, 2009 3:19 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

maybe if RW wouldn't run sloppy patterns

that wouldn’t be the case.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 8, 2009 3:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

RW gets a pass from me for last year

Plantar whatever-the-hell-was-wrong-with-his-foot is no joke.

by MeanMr.Mustard on Jan 8, 2009 4:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

not all of his throws

to t.o. were good
anyone remember both washington games?
he forced it alot in the first one
im neutral i guess
keep t.o. then ok we still have our #1 wr
cut him ok then we have alot of young talent and less headache
also gives sunday countdown one less thing to talk about us

"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips

by MrMinority on Jan 8, 2009 3:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll take TO's big mouth

Over Romo’s fumbles and interceptions.

by ym on Jan 8, 2009 3:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

am I the only one taking this report with a grain of salt.

Werder hasn’t exactly been the epitome of professionalism when it comes to TO.

But my opinions the same as Rafaels. If we keep him, so be it, he is a great receiver who has a good thing going with Romo, and if we play well, he won’t complain. If we don’t keep him, it takes out another potential distraction…i think we have some quality players at wr that can step up. I’m worried about RW though, he was not impressive at all last year. I like austin but there are injury concerns there.

by foyesboys on Jan 8, 2009 3:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'd

take TO’s yapping and double digits TDs over someone who’s quiet and 5 TDs.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by what_the_crap on Jan 8, 2009 3:42 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

+1

"They need security in the world, Craig!"

by Tuna Helper on Jan 8, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

no me

because Romo is going to get it done with someone else.. More TD’s for Witten, Bennett, Crayton,Austin, MB3, and Felix..

TO’s TD’s don’t disappear, just like Marvin harrison TD’s didn’t disappear, they go to other players.

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 8, 2009 5:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 9, 2009 11:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Norwood

Austin and Owens were running wide open vs. Baltimore but Mr. Yips couldn’t get either the ball. The problem isn’t the wide receivers, its the quarterback who can’t win a big game.

by Montecito Tex on Jan 8, 2009 3:45 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I like Miles too...

he really seemed to have a light come on this year as far as going after the ball, holding on to the ball, using his speed and his body. He does seem a bit delicate though. Just as he really gets going, he gets hurt.

I actually like TO, I think his motives are sound but his methods are not. He wants to win and he works hard. Some would blame his perceived ‘selfishness’ as being self serving, but I think he truly believes if he gets the ball, he can make good things happen for his team. He goes about it in a way that can alienate others, but I sense that he is a genuine competitor. He and Witten are twins in many ways and polar opposites in others.

I’ve known a couple of people who had plantar fasciaitis <sp and both of them said it was crippling. It can heal with special inshoe inserts and time, but they said it hurt like hell. Roy W had this problem and the pain could cause you to round off a route or go less than 100%. We’ll have to see how he and Romo match up next year, but for this year, it could explain some things.

I’m all for keeping TO and Garrett, making everyone act like big boys, getting some pitbull OL backups and with a healthy Romo, Witten, Felix and Barber, Kosier and Flo…see what this offense can do.

"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams

by Jim Vance on Jan 8, 2009 3:48 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Romo

Yips, or The yips is an expression describing an apparently baseless sudden loss of ability in one of a number of different sports.

Professional or leading amateur sportsmen affected by the Yips sometimes recover their ability, sometimes compensate by changing technique, or may be forced to abandon their sport at the highest level.

Perfectly stated by Wikipedia… time for Romo to try golf.

by Montecito Tex on Jan 8, 2009 3:53 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

so you don't think its any coincidence

that Romo was much less accurate in the 7 games or so after the injury than the 2 years before it? I think most of us saw that he wasn’t throwing the ball well at the end of the year – but i think you’ve got to almost assume injuries had alot to do with that, given how great a qb he was for us his first 35 starts or so.

If Romo continues to be as innacurate next year, then maybe i’d begin to consider looking for another qb, but i think you’ve pretty much got to be a hater to suggest we should cut him or whatever.

by foyesboys on Jan 8, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

got to be!!!????

Its official, Tex is the president of the Romo Hater Fan Club.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 8, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

or maybe your time to stop writing

i dont know… maybe??

A Cowboy fan from Dallas residing in enemy terretory since 1990..

by Jtiner09 on Jan 9, 2009 7:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

that was said towards Tex..

A Cowboy fan from Dallas residing in enemy terretory since 1990..

by Jtiner09 on Jan 9, 2009 7:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

or Romos jock rider

Don't believe everything you think.

Your causes are cute!!!

by stoproyce on Jan 9, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Readers

Does anyone on here think that members of the team or members of the press check out these blogs?

"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams

by Jim Vance on Jan 8, 2009 3:59 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Raf, I assume you were responding to me..

I was just curious for starters, and was also wondering if any of the following might occur;

a) these blogs might be a source of ‘inside info’ for some reporters
b) a way for the players to feed their ego or have it destroyed in some cases
c) management to find out public opinion
d) opposition to get intel on injuries, player discord, any competitive info

"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams

by Jim Vance on Jan 8, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I seem to recall

reading that one of Dat’s coaching duties when he was first hired was to scope out blogs of opponents seeking information just like your #4..

by Ridgelake on Jan 8, 2009 4:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

There's no doubt

Up to and including Jerry Jones, they are reading the blogs. They would be remiss if they weren’t. This is the information age, and while blogs may not be the perfect inside angle, tidbits can be had. Nice observation, Jim.

The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made.
Groucho Marx

by Lunging Wolf on Jan 8, 2009 11:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't finish

When I’m not posting here, I spend my time banging 9 irons and Jessica

by birdness on Jan 8, 2009 4:05 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

See Rick Ankiel

was a stud starting pitcher who suddenly couldnt hit the broad side of a barn. he then went to the minors and turned himself into an all-star outfielder.

However, I am sure he is the exception rather than the rule….

by WALKERMAN on Jan 8, 2009 4:05 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

wasn't he suspended for steroids?

still a good player even after that

by AustonianAggie on Jan 8, 2009 5:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

BTW

That’s Jeremy Maclin, not David Maclin, that’s going pro.

by MeanMr.Mustard on Jan 8, 2009 4:41 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

TO

Regardless whether the Cowboys cut TO or not, they need to draft a speedy wide receiver in this year’s draft. That would open things up for Owens (If here), Williams, even Witten. Does anybody know of any sleepers at wide receiver in this year’s draft?

by beautifultyrant on Jan 8, 2009 7:57 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

TO part 2

racism at it best, just because TO is not a robot and smile and stay in his place, he is now the scapegoat for what ills the cowboys. most of the players that are being spotlighted are the black players, hell what makes romo and witten such angels, this is maddness, just because TO wants to win and expose the offensive scheme, now their is a witch hunt after him by the dallas sport media. i do agree with you on roy williams, was a knee-jerk reaction by the RHG and he convenice jerry to pull the trigger in october, to take the pressure off of witten not TO, because he is romo (the second coming of choker) safety blanket. the dallas sport media continues to stay sleep at the wheel because of their denial to hold the RGH or romo accountable. roy williams was not the best receiver in detroit it was calvin johnson; roy williams practice habits was in question by the cowboy players before roy got to the cowboys. if TO goes roy williams will not be the answer, even if RHG gets a head coaching job somewhere else, guess what the cowboys are stuck with roy williams; williams himself had stated that he never had a mentor to help learn the nuts and bolts of the pro game and have been kind of winging it (that should have been a red flagg); williams has been in the nfl since 2004 and lions was still not sold on him, drafting mike williams and calvin williams, what does that tell u, so go ahead jerry fold under the pressure of madison avenue and let TO in order to win that elusive 6th superbowl, that just how the game is played.

by dallas 1966 on Jan 8, 2009 9:00 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

What nonsense.

Racism huh? Ask Donovan McNabb if criticism of Owens is racist. If that is the best defense we can drum up for Owens, its time to release him.

By the way, read this here blog and tell me there is no criticism of Romo and Garrett. There is plenty for each going around. We have bunches of equal opportunity critics around here.

by NCCowboy on Jan 9, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Man enough with the racism comments

Just talk about football

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 9, 2009 11:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Plantar fasciitis

Supposedly Roy has plantar fasciitis. This should not happen to players who train regularly. This pain from the injury occurs after rest, so if you’re warmed up enough, the pain should be minimal.

by ym on Jan 8, 2009 9:16 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Dude

I had PF from a racquet ball incident. I could barely walk for 3mo let alone run. It was 3 years ago and sometimes it still reminds me when I suddenly push off my foot. The fact that anyone can come back and play effectively is a testament to his stamina, and our training staffs ability.

by GunsUp on Jan 9, 2009 9:45 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

see

Everyone is basing Roy’s effectiveness on this year. Go back and watch him in Detroit with no QB, he is stud. You will see.

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 9, 2009 9:48 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

pefect storm

mid-season move plus the foot injury..

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 9, 2009 1:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Jan 9, 2009 2:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It is damned painful

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by Seanrude on Jan 9, 2009 10:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

so.........Newman doesn't train ??

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by BoyzRback on Jan 8, 2009 9:24 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

list of underclassmen who have declared..

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/ncaa/01/06/early.entries/index.html

Doesn’t look like any underclassmen safeties have declared.

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 9, 2009 12:49 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Just think

almost all who play football use a cup, but some drink from a bottle…and I wonder if Adam Jones now starts to cruise strip joints now the lights are off.

TO will be here for three years, go figure…

and Vela, I LOVE your and your co-harts addition to this site. Thanks for your participation.

There is no right way to do the wrong thing. GO COWBOYS!!

by CCBoy on Jan 9, 2009 6:14 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Philosophy change re: TO

You can’t replace him although he seems to be on the decline. But where he is now is better than 95% of all receivers out there.

The issue with T.O. is the lack of team in his vocabulary and that would be why you let him go, just to quiet the locker room down a little.

The main reason you can let him go should be Romo’s inability to protect the ball. With our O-line built for run blocking more than pass protection and three good backs, we should be running the ball more next year. The decreases the amount of dropbacks for Romo and, consequently, the number of interceptions and fumbles(I believe he had a hand in 23 of the 33 turnovers we had this year).

See what the Giants are doing with their three backs and no Plaxico? I hate comparing what we should do next year to what the Giants are doing this year but I hate the losing more.

by cow_fanatic on Jan 9, 2009 9:14 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I don't mind

his me first attitude. It is his dead hands that get me fired up. Romo doesn’t always put it on the spot, but when he does, catch the ball

by GunsUp on Jan 9, 2009 9:47 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm for keeping Owens. He's much better than any other wideout we have. Bring..

RW to camp and make him compete with Austin for the number two. If RW wins out, Austin can back up both wideout spots and return KOs. If Austin wins out, release RW for cap reasons. Crayton is okay with me in the slot. Of course, we still have to see how things are set after the draft and free agency rounds.

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by CowboyMan on Jan 9, 2009 11:34 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

After that less than satisfying season ending the Texas Staduim Era, I'll bet...

Jerry is really going to put high pressure on Wade and the team to produce a winner in the new stadium’s inaugural year. I just hope we don’t play the Eagles in the home opener.

By the way, I think the Eagles will beat the Giants tomorrow.

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by CowboyMan on Jan 9, 2009 11:44 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Neither TO or RW are going anywhere....geeez...get off it already...

FOR 15-20 years WE’VE been glamoring for two legit top tier WR’s, NOW we have them……STFU already…

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by BoyzRback on Jan 9, 2009 11:57 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

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