The Great T.O. Debate Thread
Alright, boys. I don't mean to clog this site with crappy posts, but it seems like this one is just a necessity. Like the Romo Thread, this should (hopefully) alleviate most of the T.O. banter on other threads...especially the ones that have nothing do with T.O. or Romo but always seem to make their way back to them. Topics should include Cut Him vs. Keep Him, His Role in the Offense (or lack thereof), His Place Among the NFL's Elite, His Unquestionable Work Ethic, His Unquestionable Knack for Media Attention, and anything else your little hearts desire. Far be it from you to limit you all. Have fun!!!
By the way, I say KEEP him, throw him drags over the middle, he's top 10 but obviously waning, I hear he's good at sit-ups, Ed Werder has a crush on him, and I like his t-shirts...
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O Hai Guize, wut's goin' on in dis here thread?
T.O. is a loudmouth whose skills have started to decline, but he is still a great WR with a few more years of decent production left in him. And I’m sure he’ll have one more spectacular season before he retires.
Without T.O., this Cowboys offense comes to a standstill. You don’t even have to take my word for it. Just think back to the 2007 season, when our offense came apart during T.O.‘s brief absence. Remember, this is when Garrett’s playcalling was better regarded AND our O Line was healthy. Romo, suddenly, had no idea what to do with the ball, and it coincided with one of our infamous Decembers.
Yes, it would be fantastic if T.O. kept his thoughts to himself, or at least, didn’t voice them on national TV. (Now that he has a blog, maybe this will be the case, or it might be worse — who knows?) But as it stands, he is still essential to our offense.
This is a question we should ask ourselves next year after a number of things become clear:
Can Romo connect with RW11 and Austin?
Can we get our running game to an elite level?
Can we have a winning December and a playoff win?
Can T.O. behave ANOTHER year?
For the upcoming season, we need him.
In-YOUR-endo
by accidental innuendo on
Jan 9, 2009 2:17 PM CST
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You know, I looked at his blog...
The only thing on there (other than Philly fans who are STILL bitter) was his response to Cris Carter’s “I’d put a bullet in his chest” remark. This is prime foot-in-mouth territory for Terrell, however he kept it brief. He simply said “How would people react if I said that about him?” Now he could’ve flipped out and written a book trashing Carter like he did when SheShawn took a shot at him, but he chose not to. Not only was it a very valid point, but proof that he does have a few mature bones in his body.
by AikmanNailedMySis on
Jan 9, 2009 2:24 PM CST
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Philly fans...
…are still incredibly bitter! I can’t believe how not-over it they are — sad, really.
Moral victory for us, I suppose.
In-YOUR-endo
by accidental innuendo on
Jan 9, 2009 2:47 PM CST
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that argument doesn't fly anymore
since we acquired RW and Austin’s maturation into a solid #2. In 2007, we definitely needed T.O., in 2009, I’m not so sure.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on
Jan 9, 2009 4:25 PM CST
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austin....
Can’t stay healthy as it is….LOL…Much less replace a future HOF’er
You'll never get in a traffic jam,while going the extra mile. -Roger staubach
by TrueBlue24 on
Jan 9, 2009 8:16 PM CST
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I never said he would replace T.O.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on
Jan 10, 2009 4:23 PM CST
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Move on wihtout him, not replace him.
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by Wmillion on
Jan 10, 2009 7:18 PM CST
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Someone needs to play his position
If you think RW11 is ready to “take over” for TO…HaHa…He didn’t show me ANYTHING this year. Austin…IMO…is better equipped to “Take Over” if we should be foolish enough to get rid of TO.
I think it would be a foolish move.
You'll never get in a traffic jam,while going the extra mile. -Roger staubach
by TrueBlue24 on
Jan 10, 2009 10:32 PM CST
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I really, really wish T.O. would take the team approach
and be a role player. Maybe he needs to be benched. He’d probably help the team more as the “6th man”, er, full-time slot guy.
But it will never happen. Too much pride. That’s why so many of us resent him.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger (Bigrigga31) on
Jan 11, 2009 10:17 AM CST
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"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on
Jan 11, 2009 3:12 PM CST
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Austin hasnt matured into a solid #2
He cannot stay healthy and even when he has been, he hasnt showed enough to risk him starting next year
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on
Jan 9, 2009 11:02 PM CST
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hes shown plenty
he just never gets the looks.. but when he does hes obviously going to be something great. He always beats coverage
What the French?! Toast!
by thebigham on
Jan 10, 2009 8:10 AM CST
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He hasnt done it consistently over an extended period of time
Yes thats because he hasnt been given the opportunity to do so, but there is a difference between “always beating coverage” for 18 CAREER catches and playing at a high level for an entire season
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on
Jan 10, 2009 8:48 AM CST
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true
i dont want TO to leave but if he does id hope we’d put more emphasis on our running game so as to help our WRs. IF TO leaves Witten surely with face double coverage but thats ok if we became a stellar run team. I think that would benefit romo too so he doesnt feel he has to make some many plays.
But i still want TO here
What the French?! Toast!
by thebigham on
Jan 10, 2009 8:55 AM CST
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ok ill agree with that
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on
Jan 10, 2009 5:26 PM CST
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+1
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger (Bigrigga31) on
Jan 11, 2009 10:25 AM CST
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The romo debate already spilled over.
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by Wmillion on
Jan 9, 2009 2:46 PM CST
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Anyone believe? ED Werder alert..
That Dallas is really debating cutting TO? Whoever is debating it, last name isn’t Jones.
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by Wmillion on
Jan 9, 2009 2:48 PM CST
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No way
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on
Jan 9, 2009 11:03 PM CST
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Every debate will spill over somewhere
Some people just love to beat a dead horse…
by AikmanNailedMySis on
Jan 9, 2009 2:54 PM CST
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The greatest chimed in...
Jerry Rice offered advice to his former protege…
“I think the thing about Terrell is that he really relies so much on his size and his speed,” Rice said during an appearance on The Ticket yesterday, which blog buddy DC Fanatic forward to us. "I wish that he would just spend a little bit more time just running routes just a little bit more crisp, you know what I’m saying? Just coming out of his cuts and stuff like that. Probably that would get him the separation he needs to get more opportunity of catching the football.
http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/01/jerry-rices-advice-to-to-run-better-rout.html
by AikmanNailedMySis on
Jan 9, 2009 3:40 PM CST
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Hmm..
Can TO come out next year and run better routes? Not sure how many of you follow basketball, but when Jordan started to slow down he developed his low block turn-around jump shot. Maybe TO makes up for his lost step with better routes.
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by Wmillion on
Jan 9, 2009 4:52 PM CST
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One can only hope
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on
Jan 9, 2009 11:04 PM CST
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he hasn't lost a step....speed was never questioned...
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by BoyzRback on
Jan 10, 2009 1:31 PM CST
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No but he will lose a step eventually
So bettering his technique could be another way to promote his longevity
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on
Jan 10, 2009 5:27 PM CST
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nope never questioned
but his day will come he isn’t escaping the aging process, he is still human..
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by Wmillion on
Jan 10, 2009 7:19 PM CST
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Can he catch with his Abs if they get big enough?
WMillion-I don’t think this guy’s going to suddenly improve his route running at age 35.
Boyz, of course he’s lost a step. Geez. You think because his body’s toned he runs with the same speed as 7 years ago when he was 28? Crazy. You realize he’s human, right? Everyone slows down.
The point isn’t that he’s not good, though, he’s a good receiver( just not as good as some want to believe) , it’s just that we WAY overpaid for him-as we did with Barber, too (and guys still argueing for Barber getting all that money, just look at Choice. RB’s are the ONLY position that’s a dime a dozen in the NFL)
Owens would be great IF we’d gotten him at a discount-but no way we should be giving him $10 Mill. a year.
If we were paying him $5 or less it’s be a different story.
by Realist Larry on
Jan 11, 2009 12:08 AM CST
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I'll give you that RB is dime a dozen..
One agree with Peter King, sign your RB early to a long term deal, and after that deal is done.. Peace.
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by Wmillion on
Jan 11, 2009 12:17 AM CST
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Nice find, Aikman.
Straight sloppy.
Anybody see Sterling Sharpe’s footage of T.O. running lazy routes. He even showed so in blocking situations.
I’m so f’ing tired of this offense being centered on him. It should be centered on the QB and the running game. Everybody seems scared to put T.O. in his place because he has self-promoted himself into making the team think they win with the ball in his hands.
They win blowout games with the ball in his hands. We’re trying to win every game.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger (Bigrigga31) on
Jan 11, 2009 10:20 AM CST
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I'm conflicted on this
I really believe hes a different person than the guy who caused the trouble in philly and sf. Hes a hard worker, the young guys look up to him, and i generally like his attitude. But at the same time…the media is absolutely obsessed with him. He can’t say one word out of line without it being a national headline.
I am fine with either keeping him or cutting him – i see the argument of addition by subtraction, kinda like the giants with shockey. I think we have young capable wrs and i’d like to see them get some action, and who knows – maybe without the leading receiver out, we see romo spread the ball around more and play better.
by foyesboys on
Jan 9, 2009 3:50 PM CST
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You're thinking back to 2007 when
the team was winning and his stats (even more importantly) were good.
I said all that year, just wait until (if) this team struggles and you’ll see the real TO come out.
And now we see how he handles adversity.
He’s fine if everything’s going well, but has no heart if he’s not getting everything he wants.
by Realist Larry on
Jan 11, 2009 12:10 AM CST
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What are you talking about?
“you’ll see the real TO come out.”
What TO came out this year?
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on
Jan 11, 2009 1:42 AM CST
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+1
i saw him running down picks even in the last game… if one guy has heart its TO and of course witten…. no heart what are you talking about
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by thebigham on
Jan 11, 2009 8:24 AM CST
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That's just to showcase his speed
and make Romo more of the goat. He’s an actor, pretending to be a team player.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger (Bigrigga31) on
Jan 11, 2009 10:22 AM CST
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yeah that makes sense
i guess you are some major psychologist and just know what everyones true intentions are
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by thebigham on
Jan 11, 2009 10:23 AM CST
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And I guess you're a doctor
who can measure how much heart people have. Go back to shouting out “Fanshots” instead of trying to put me down.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger (Bigrigga31) on
Jan 11, 2009 10:25 AM CST
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im not trying to put you down
but you thinking you know someoenes true intentions is crazy.. i dont know why TO does what he does but he plays til the whistle is blown and everyone has been calling for it… “when cowboys lose we’ll see the TO blow up” umm if there was ever time for a TO blow up it would of been after philly lose but there wasnt one..
He’s here to stay he wants to win he wants to play.. so i dont get what the big deal is… the media wants TO to be like he was in SF and Philly.. they cant stand he doesnt give them a story every week so they make one up
What the French?! Toast!
by thebigham on
Jan 11, 2009 10:33 AM CST
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"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on
Jan 11, 2009 3:15 PM CST
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+1 TO plays to win, bigham is right on the money with the media hype.
I’m glad a few of us haven’t been drinking that tainted kool aid.
by CowboysRnumba1 on
Jan 12, 2009 10:39 PM CST
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What player doesn't play to win?
Name me a player who plays to lose.
And I don’t drink kool aid. I just put my team before any player and I think this current team should revolve around developing the QB. I feel that the young QB and young OC this year put too much emphasis on getting T.O. the ball and it cost other guys looks.
The media hype is obvious. Nobody is stupid enough to ignore that, but unfortunately the Cowboys have to make the bed T.O. has slept in (if that makes sense).
Less distractions next year, and more focus on football. That’s all we want. Let the new stadium be the hype and not particular players.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger (Bigrigga31) on
Jan 13, 2009 1:11 PM CST
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Of course every player wants to win
But some are more dedicated and care more about acheiving that. TO is one of those players
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on
Jan 13, 2009 6:39 PM CST
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What kills me is you guys equate media attention as distractions
I got news for you, the media is not going away. And if TO is run out of town because of it, I’ll be pissed. Next season when Roy Williams is getting double teamed in the same BS offense, The media is going to be all over him too, and I’ll tell you right now, RW2 can’t hold TO’s jock when it comes to effort, and physical preparation. And if you want to use comments made by TO out of context, or edited for prime time as a reason to run him out of town, then you are drinking the kool aide..The media is the poison, not TO. Why don’t people understand this ? How many more unknown sources are you going to rely on ? Was there a “Most Gullible” awarded in all your high school yearbooks ? cuz you’ll have been duped hardcore. Sure, the best solution is for TO to ban media from interviewing him., like he did with Turder. Then the media will jump all over that, and league will fine him, and we’ll have all sorts of whining on the blog sites. If it’s not TO, it will be Ellis, or Crayton, or Roy, etc……embrace that hate.
by CowboysRnumba1 on
Jan 16, 2009 4:29 AM CST
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Attention
Screaming on the Sidelines at coaches and teammates
Using the media to say he needs to more involved after 10+ target game
Criticizing the coordinator publicly
This is just what he has done in Dallas.
Don’t act like this is all being made up..
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by Wmillion on
Jan 16, 2009 11:25 AM CST
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People say they want a vocal leader on the sidelines...
Someone who will get in people’s faces and make them accountable for their actions? Does this mean that A. Anyone but T.O. can perform this duty? and/or B. Only players, not coaches, have to be held accountable?
by AikmanNailedMySis on
Jan 16, 2009 11:26 AM CST
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What vocal leader
Do you see screaming at other players.. I see them screaming and getting them hyped up, but screaming on them? Better yet which player screams at coaches on the sideline… Let me know!
Vocal leader criticzing coaches through the media? What vocal leader has talked about two of the QB’s he has played with?
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by Wmillion on
Jan 16, 2009 11:42 AM CST
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Media Media Media
You act like those who don’t care for T.O. are so blindly influenced by the media that they are completely brainwashed.
Look, I’m sick of the guy. I’m tired of him—maybe that’s because I live by SanFran and he annoyed me then. I like what he brings on the field, sometimes. He’s always a threat to get 15 after a TD. He’s always a threat to yell at either the QB, WRs coach, or OC next year during tough games.
Does T.O. work out much with Romo in the offseason? Doesn’t he stay training in Miami?
Does he always have to do press conferences that are full of “mediamade” landmines?
Is he gonna go up and make the catch over the defender 8/10 times or 9/10 times?
Is he gonna catch heartbreakers?
I like T.O. for the Cowboys and don’t have to much trust in the guys behind him. I think they could do it, but maybe not comprable to his numbers.
I just would not shed one tear if the Cowboys got rid of him. You can’t change my mind by blaming my perception on the media’s influence. Other things go into people’s opinions. Maybe some people think there is more behind the curtain than even the media can hype. Maybe some people think that a loudmouth star WR isn’t a necessity to win a superbowl. Maybe some people think the chemistry on this team needs a reckoning. Whatever it is, I assure you that fans of the Dallas Cowboys are not fans of the media; therefore, there are other reasons for those like me who couldn’t help but fantasize how much Romo and Garrett could grow if he didn’t have to forcefeed T.O. the ball.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger (Bigrigga31) on
Jan 16, 2009 12:51 PM CST
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I get where youre coming from
but I disagree. I think the most important thing you said was " like T.O. for the Cowboys and don’t have to much trust in the guys behind him". The guys behind him have not proved themselves (especially Austin) and it is logical to predict a decline in our WR corps production if TO is let go.
To me the minimal distraction TO has caused while he has been in Dallas has been outweighed by his on feild work. As long as that continues to be the case, I think he should stay
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on
Jan 16, 2009 9:18 PM CST
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Plus his salary cap hit of 9.66 million prohibits any thought of getting rid of him.
So lets all just quit bitching about it.
by CowboysRnumba1 on
Jan 17, 2009 4:44 PM CST
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It would be dumb for the Cowboys to cut him and take that salary hit.
When T.O. was hurt at the end of the ‘07 season, none of the guys that are still on this roster really stepped up. I’d like to think that some like Austin and Crayton have improved. Hurd fell a year behind. Roy Williams came in and will have to prove his chemistry with Romo. So really, Dallas has to keep T.O. at least for the next year. His time is limited here, though—even if he can play to 40.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger (Bigrigga31) on
Jan 17, 2009 6:08 PM CST
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I agree that we have to keep him
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on
Jan 17, 2009 7:26 PM CST
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Sorry I blew up
I misread and thought you were comparting T.O.‘s heart to Witten’s.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger (Bigrigga31) on
Jan 13, 2009 1:19 PM CST
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I mean "comparing"
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger (Bigrigga31) on
Jan 13, 2009 1:19 PM CST
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Have to keep him, I don't see how you replace his production
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by Seanrude on
Jan 9, 2009 5:36 PM CST
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69 catches? Puh-leeze.
Not that hard.
And I think we can lay to rest the “But he opens things up for the other guys, for the running game, for Witten…” BS.
Yeah, anyone who says that needs to go back and watch our games from about week 6 on. He doesn’t open anything up, teams realized they could just jack him up at the line and he suddenly isn’t so tough anymore. Look at Barber’s stats to see how he opened up his running game for him -under 4 yards a carry?
by Realist Larry on
Jan 11, 2009 12:13 AM CST
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So jamming him at the line and keeping a safety deep over the top doesnt open things up?
I get that you dont like TO but at least come up with arguments that have some substance
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on
Jan 11, 2009 1:43 AM CST
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The whole T.O. opening things up for the running game
no longer has any relevance. Teams have figured out how to stop him; therefore, it does nothing to help Barber. Nobody over .500 is scared of T.O.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger (Bigrigga31) on
Jan 11, 2009 10:23 AM CST
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He keeps a deep safety shaded to his side
of course that helps everyone else on his team
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on
Jan 11, 2009 3:16 PM CST
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Obviously not, if you watched our games and look at the stats.
Just facts.
by Realist Larry on
Jan 11, 2009 12:12 PM CST
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He keeps a deep safety shaded to his side
of course he helps everyone else on his team
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on
Jan 11, 2009 3:16 PM CST
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I agree aussie...
TO makes everyone on offense better, except for the O Linemen of course. and that being the root of the problem…NOT Terrell Owens.
by CowboysRnumba1 on
Jan 12, 2009 10:41 PM CST
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TO hast declined
the Offense regressed no thanks to our O line and predictable playcalling… Not TO’s fault
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by thebigham on
Jan 10, 2009 8:11 AM CST
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+1 big ham...surely not TO's fault..
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by BoyzRback on
Jan 10, 2009 1:33 PM CST
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yep
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on
Jan 11, 2009 1:44 AM CST
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No way.
2 0r 3 good players for that money, and Austin can get 50 catches, Witten can catch more, etc.
by Realist Larry on
Jan 11, 2009 12:14 PM CST
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its not $10M its minus a few $100k
The $10M is a sunk cost. Its going to cost us money to cut him. He may have regressed some, but would you actually pay to get rid of him?
No way
by BoyfromOz on
Jan 11, 2009 2:19 PM CST
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SO Austin has proved he can get 50 catches?
On which of his 18 CAREER catches did he prove that to you?
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on
Jan 11, 2009 3:17 PM CST
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what made you think
Turner would rush for 1600 yds? Breaston would catch 70+ balls and 1k+ yards.. You don’t know, that is beauty, it goes both ways.
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by Wmillion on
Jan 11, 2009 3:33 PM CST
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Again, im not saying Austin cant or wont succeed
but to expect it is wrong. For everyone you listed there are dozens of players who couldnt handle it as a starter
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by aussie_cowboy on
Jan 11, 2009 3:48 PM CST
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dozens more who went on to step up.
goes both ways..
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by Wmillion on
Jan 11, 2009 4:16 PM CST
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But more fail than succeed
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on
Jan 11, 2009 4:24 PM CST
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especially with undrafted guys like Austin
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on
Jan 11, 2009 4:24 PM CST
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Judging on their entire career
How many wide recievers in history are better than T.O.
Cris Carter....you're dead to me.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on
Jan 10, 2009 9:16 AM CST
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Rice, maybe a few others, like Moss, Hayes, Alworth, Warfield, but they are debatable
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by Seanrude on
Jan 10, 2009 11:10 AM CST
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Not Moss
not statistically anyway
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by aussie_cowboy on
Jan 10, 2009 5:28 PM CST
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he has lots of TDs and is at least as much of a game changer as Owens
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by Seanrude on
Jan 10, 2009 9:13 PM CST
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no way
he can run one route and thats it… he doesnt block doesnt do anything extra if the ball isnt going his way.. TO will run to the ball and try to block for guys…. plus moss has quit on more than one occasion TO has never quit a game
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by thebigham on
Jan 10, 2009 9:19 PM CST
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Moss quit for seasons at a time in Oakland
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by aussie_cowboy on
Jan 10, 2009 9:20 PM CST
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Teams have to game plan for Moss at least as much as they do for Owens, that is undeniable
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by Seanrude on
Jan 10, 2009 9:55 PM CST
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bang moss up and hell stop trying
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by thebigham on
Jan 10, 2009 9:59 PM CST
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show me a game when TO wasnt trying til the end
except in a blowout with one min left
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by thebigham on
Jan 11, 2009 3:07 PM CST
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by aussie_cowboy on
Jan 11, 2009 3:17 PM CST
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But he still isnt close to Owens
When youre looking at career stats
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by aussie_cowboy on
Jan 10, 2009 9:19 PM CST
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I don't think the debate is about TO
The individual talent, his talent is undeniable.. Talent isn’t everything, Just Like A.I.
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by Wmillion on
Jan 10, 2009 12:10 PM CST
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There's not time to list them all.
by Realist Larry on
Jan 11, 2009 12:14 AM CST
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ok so your obviously just here to complain about TO.
But again your argument holds no credence. There are only 3 players in the history of the league to score more TDs than Owens. He is a future HOFer. Name 5 WR who were better than TO without doubt
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by aussie_cowboy on
Jan 11, 2009 1:46 AM CST
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Goodness-first, forget the stats, today's game is nothing like the game in the 60's/70's/and even
80’s. Not to mention players today get 16 vs. 14 games.
1. Rice
2. Irvin
3.CCarter.
4.Swann
5.LAlworth
6.FBiletnikoff
7.MHarrison
8.LFitzgerald
9.Lofton, Sargent. Tim Brown, Warfield, Moss, even Drew Pearson
Guys who did it WHEN IT COUNTED (except maybe Moss), when other teams were trying to stop them, who DIDN’T disappear in big games.
Who weren’t wusses that worked out, were strong, and did situps, only to be stopped by a CB ‘jamming them at the line’.
Guys who did it the old days when DB’s were draped all over them, and if they dared to go over the middle they were really hit.
by Realist Larry on
Jan 11, 2009 2:52 PM CST
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No on
Carter, Alworth, Biletnikoff, Harrison, Fitzy (Who has only played 5 seasons so how could he have a better carreer? I think youre getting caught up in the hype) and no to everyone you listed at number 9
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by aussie_cowboy on
Jan 11, 2009 3:22 PM CST
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Your opinion.
by the way, that was considering Owens’ whole career-his prime.
At this point, which is more relevant, at his age, he wouldn’t even rate that high.
Did I say he was terrible?
Let’s say he’s the 10th best receiver ever:
Who cares? He has too many negatives, has never produced in a big game-not once!-and anyways, is going on 36.
As for hype, I think you’re caught in TO’s hype if you think he’s better than those guys you took off!
by Realist Larry on
Jan 11, 2009 6:18 PM CST
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big game for us?
because he defn performed amazing in the superbowl
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by thebigham on
Jan 11, 2009 6:24 PM CST
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by aussie_cowboy on
Jan 11, 2009 6:38 PM CST
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ding ding!!
we have a winner!
I knew someone would trot that out.
Yes, that was truly a brave performance. I admire him for that one.
That’s ONE! Unfortunately, your list will stop there…
By the way, was he such a difference maker they WON the SB?
Uh, nope. Again, they WON with him out and lost with him back. Strange.
by Realist Larry on
Jan 13, 2009 12:19 AM CST
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by aussie_cowboy on
Jan 13, 2009 6:33 AM CST
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That’s ONE! Unfortunately, your list will stop there…
ding ding ding, we have a loser!
You seem to be such a T.O. database then maybe you will remember the last moment game winning TD catch vs. green bay in the playoffs, or perhaps we can discuss the playoff game vs. the giants.
by BillyG on
Jan 16, 2009 5:36 PM CST
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by aussie_cowboy on
Jan 16, 2009 9:19 PM CST
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he's better than Roy Williams, Crayton, and Austin...and that's all that matters right now.
and none of them will succeed without him..you’ll see.
by CowboysRnumba1 on
Jan 12, 2009 10:47 PM CST
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No, I won't see..
insert sad face—-)8—because JJ won’t cut him now.
This is all hypothetical.
by Realist Larry on
Jan 13, 2009 12:20 AM CST
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sure talent is everything....when he stops producing double digit TD seasons....then i've concede he's about done..
btw….A.I is probably the best inch for inch, pound for pound player there ever was…and he carried his team to the Finals……good comparison…
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by BoyzRback on
Jan 10, 2009 1:35 PM CST
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Who is A.I.?
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by aussie_cowboy on
Jan 10, 2009 5:29 PM CST
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allen iverson..
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by Wmillion on
Jan 10, 2009 7:20 PM CST
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ok thanks
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by aussie_cowboy on
Jan 10, 2009 7:35 PM CST
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and he was the only guy on the Athens Olympic team who looked like he gave a crap and who was genuinely upset that the US did not win the gold
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by Seanrude on
Jan 10, 2009 9:14 PM CST
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Question
If TO is so valuable why does he have zero trade value?
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by Wmillion on
Jan 10, 2009 11:48 PM CST
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Why does he haave zero trade value?
Are you talking to GMs around the league, or is that just your opinion?
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by aussie_cowboy on
Jan 11, 2009 1:47 AM CST
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What do you think we could get for TO?
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by Wmillion on
Jan 11, 2009 10:16 AM CST
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I can't think of a team that would want him.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger (Bigrigga31) on
Jan 11, 2009 10:27 AM CST
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I cant think of a team that wouldnt
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by aussie_cowboy on
Jan 11, 2009 3:23 PM CST
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I love how people just make things up..
you think no team would take him? HA! Pats took moss after his abissmal tenure in OAK. After he quit on them multiple times..
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by thebigham on
Jan 11, 2009 8:27 AM CST
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And To has neither been abysmal or quit on the team
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by aussie_cowboy on
Jan 11, 2009 8:59 AM CST
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What do you think we could get for TO?
they got a 4th for Moss
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by Wmillion on
Jan 11, 2009 10:17 AM CST
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something is better than nothing
to say he has zero trade value is foolish
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by thebigham on
Jan 11, 2009 10:23 AM CST
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Jerry's got a man crush on T.O.
Look at the Giants formula, they win. Worry about our pitiful defense
and let this ass clown walk. We have a Tri-Monster for next year plus
J Wit, Roy and two other scrappy WR’s. Let’s get better on D and bolster
the O line. Jerry please, let this guy go. Oh yeah, that’s right you are a Marketing
guy with a new stadium coming. Got to sell the brand right. How bout win a playoff
game. How about look yourself in the Mirror this off season.
Romo really does suck. Jerry really needs to hire a GM. Fuck your new stadium Jerry.
by Captain Comeback on
Jan 11, 2009 8:59 AM CST
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by aussie_cowboy on
Jan 11, 2009 9:00 AM CST
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T.O.
is being bashed by fans because of his past. T.O. has matured and is no longer that same guy he was in S.F. or Philly. I have no idea why people are throwing him under the bus. The guy still produces even at his age, and is still a top 10 receiver. There are way more variables to why our offense didn’t do as well as 2007. Jason Garrett and the line are a big reason, but Tony Romo’s decline is an even bigger reason. Quit talking about letting Owens go, it’s nonsense. Let’s draft Romo’s eventual replacement this offseason, and end this experiment.
by bryangene on
Jan 11, 2009 10:24 AM CST
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T.O. has continued to throw himself under the bus here in Dallas. Sure, the media blows things up, but I just think fans want wins, not excuses and stats.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger (Bigrigga31) on
Jan 11, 2009 10:29 AM CST
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It's the fans
that are throwing him under the bus. The team explodes and doesn’t make the playoffs and the problems are pinned on a WR? That’s foolish. He’s the only player, besides DWare, who has had steady production. The problem lies at QB. T.O is one of the few hard workers the Cowboys have, and brings his A+ game every game. He’s prepared every game. Romo on the other hand isn’t confident in himself and you can see it on the sidelines. Stop pointing fingers at a WR.
by bryangene on
Jan 11, 2009 10:32 AM CST
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+1
but had witten to the A+ game too
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by thebigham on
Jan 11, 2009 10:35 AM CST
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I don't deny that
but why is everyone on this blog pinning our offensive woes on Owens? Romo was the unproductive careless one this season, and should take responsibility and step up this upcoming season.
by bryangene on
Jan 11, 2009 10:37 AM CST
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Romo was productive
maybe impulsive and careless at times, but productive, just look at his numbers.
Our offensive woes has to be pinned on the entire offense, not just individual players. Its a team game.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on
Jan 11, 2009 3:33 PM CST
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by aussie_cowboy on
Jan 11, 2009 3:48 PM CST
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This particular WR points the finger at himself.
And I doubt there is any player in the league who does not want to win, especially an older player like him.
I’m all for keeping T.O. on the team, but I think Dallas is a bad fit for him. There is too much spotlight and somebody needs to limit his interviews. Sorry, but nobody is going to empathize with him anymore when he pouts about not getting to ball enough. It’s been played. Sure, they should get him the ball as much as N.E. does with Welker, but it’s not that kind of offense.
You mention Ware’s steady production. Quiet guy off the field. Huh. Interesting.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger (Bigrigga31) on
Jan 11, 2009 10:43 AM CST
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In my opinion
T.O. is the leader of this team. Not Romo and not Ware. T.O is one of the few players who will get on your ass if need be. Romo is not a leader, and never will be. Players on the team, – Witten, respect Owens. I would go as far to say that more players respect Owens than Witten.
by bryangene on
Jan 11, 2009 10:46 AM CST
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My opinion is
yes, they respect him cuz he’s a good player, but he demands respect. He asks for it. That’s not real respect to me. Respect is what you receive from opposing defenses.
T.O. is not the leader of this team. He’s the leader of half the team.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger (Bigrigga31) on
Jan 11, 2009 11:52 AM CST
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Definitely there are leadership issues...
And I do agree that Romo has to learn how to get on players’ tails when they don’t do their job. I get annoyed with all of Owen’s junk, but I don’t see him sitting on the sidelines with his head in his hands.
That said, I think Romo CAN be a leader. The question is, WILL HE?
I have noticed a new resurgence in Cowboy hating in 2007, which can only mean one thing- We're back.
by nspirals on
Jan 12, 2009 9:39 AM CST
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Let's put it this way
T.O and Romo are both big time game changers. One will help you win the game, and the other loses the game for you. Even faced with this FACT, Owens is still behind Romo. Romo needs to play better for offense to do anything.
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Jan 11, 2009 10:51 AM CST
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that certainly isn't a fact
T.O. has to play well too, unless you expect Romo to run routes, get open and catch his own passes. Given your hate for him, that wouldn’t surprise me.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on
Jan 11, 2009 12:45 PM CST
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As I stated
I do not hate Romo. Romo is just overrated at the moment. I would like Romo to develop, but he’s not getting any younger either. Romo can stop forcing passes, make better reads, and know when to throw the ball away. Romo dictates how far this team goes, and we all know what happened this season.
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Jan 11, 2009 12:52 PM CST
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Romo is entering his prime
and will continue to get better, give the kid a chance, he’s only been starting less than 3 years.
If Romo is overrated, then T.O. and the rest of the team is vastly overrated.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on
Jan 11, 2009 1:09 PM CST
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NEWS FLASH
2008 Cowboys were overrated
by bryangene on
Jan 11, 2009 3:10 PM CST
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ratings are for down time and off-seasons
Teams should be rated until 6-8 weeks of games are played.
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by Wmillion on
Jan 11, 2009 3:34 PM CST
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shouldn't be rated
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by Wmillion on
Jan 11, 2009 3:34 PM CST
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NO....some very very select fans or should I say, non fans of TO, obviously want to whine all the way til September..
and pointing out TO for some reason gets them through their day. TO did all he can possible do to help this team win, and for that i am forever grateful. He can’t call his own plays, or throw himself the ball, but every time he got his hands on the ball, something positive happened. I can’t say that for any other offensive player. For anyone to question his production over the past season, is really stretching it, as he was 2 TD receptions from leading the league.
by CowboysRnumba1 on
Jan 12, 2009 10:54 PM CST
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"time he got his hands on the ball, something positive happened. I can’t say that for any other offensive player"
The other guy you could say that about would be Dash, but he was only around for the first half of the season
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by aussie_cowboy on
Jan 12, 2009 11:16 PM CST
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yeah, believe me, I love Felix, and he would have been a season changer if he remained healthy.
I would add Choice as well, as he showed me more grit , determination, and grind in limited play, than most players on this team have ever shown.
by CowboysRnumba1 on
Jan 13, 2009 8:56 AM CST
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displaced anger
The more I think about the more I wonder why are we blaming Romo and TO exclusively and not the underperforming D? They had a couple of good games, but overall they under performed. This D has the talent to carry the team or at least keep the team in every game. They underperformed and were widely inconsistent. Yes they lead the league in sacks, but were in the bottom half of the league in points allowed and 3rd to last in int’s bottom, bottom half in pass deflections. For every game they played well, they would have two games were they disappointed. If the D plays to expectations, we aren’t blaming Romo or TO.
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by Wmillion on
Jan 11, 2009 11:05 AM CST
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I hate to say it
but we really missed Roy Williams late in the year. I shudder to think of Hamlin whiffing on Baltimore’s long runs.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger (Bigrigga31) on
Jan 11, 2009 11:53 AM CST
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Keith Davis had a shot 2..
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by Wmillion on
Jan 11, 2009 11:58 AM CST
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He would have had him too if it was a punt return!
George Teague did it all.
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