And Now for Something Completely Different
by Rafael Vela on Jan 9, 2009 3:58 PM CST
Email
PrintBecause my ADHD-addled brain cannot handle another thread hijacked by Romo or T.O. haters, I offer mock draft 1.0, the pre-Senior Bowl edition.
It's fortified by the news that, thus far, as many as 15-20 underclassmen could elbow their way into the top 30-40 picks. I'm only going 5 rounds deep, because I've just started my research:
-- 2nd round (51) Louis Delmas, S, Western Michigan. Rated in the 28-30 range among seniors, he'll drop into Dallas' orbit when the juniors are added to draft boards. A smart playmaker at a position of crying need.
-- 3rd round (69) Jonathan Luigs, C, Arkansas. This is a rich crop of centers. Luigs runs a 4.9, easily the fastest time at his position. This tells me he can probably pull and double as a guard. He's also 314 lbs, which also means he's not an Al Johnson-like runt.
He's a master of the shotgun snap, having anchored the Hogs attack that featured Felix Jones and Darren McFadden. He's bigger than Kyle Kosier and has the strength and smarts to challenge Andre Gurode. Here's that much needed interior backup who can push Cory Proctor off the roster immediately and push for a starting spot shortly thereafter.
-- 4th round -- Terrance Taylor, NT, Michigan
-- 4th round -- Gerald Cadogan, OT, Penn St.
-- 5th -- Joshua Mauga, ILB, Nevada
There. Turn this into a Romo or T.O. thread. I dare you!
213 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
I'd rather take
Scott McKillop, ILB from Pitt, than the tackle from PSU, in the 4th rd.
In Romo we Trust
If he runs a time under 4.7 at the combines, everything changes
but most of the ILBs in the mid-round range time out at 4.75 or slower. You can’t cover RBs or speed TEs being that sluggish.
scouts said the same thing
about Chris Speilman as well. Slow or not, the kid is a tackling machine, I think thats what the Cowboys want from their ILBs.
In Romo we Trust
Chris Spielman
was a top 30 pick.
This guy isn’t near that high.
yes, but my point is the speed argument
He’s just a football playing dude, as Parcells would say, who is always around the ball and extememly productive.
I’d take a poor man’s Chris Speilman in the 4th rd area in a heartbeat. I’m obviously high on him because I’ve seen him play every game being a Pitt season ticket holder, the kid just has the knack for making plays. I think he’ll be a very solid pro at the very least.
In Romo we Trust
sorry I had to make this about Romo and TO some how
We must draft linemen i think first
Extra credit
You mentioned both in one post. Here goes:
GARRETT SUCKS almost as much as Romo, and TO is the greatest WR ever!
Haha, three for one!
Hmmm, I think we should have kept Pacman as well. He never got a real chance to prove himself.
As Romo we go
Late Round Gems
TO wasn’t drafted early, wasn’t Romo a UFA? Just curious, did Garrett ace the Wonderlick?
No one would take TO
Unless of course you offered draft picks so they would take him off our hands. Sorry Rafa
How about looking at Rusty Smith QB Florida Atlantic
or Central Michigan QB Dan LeFevour. Groom a back up QB push Romo. There I did it!
Stop
If your going to draft a guy, draft someone good.
by joey7289 on Jan 9, 2009 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
Ah, but you're talking about draftees
so that’s cool.
I watched Rusty Smith play Texas
Big arm, good head. But man his size is great 6’5 230. I think he could be a great back up for Romo. Romo does extend most plays (that’s the majority of his big plays) which means big hits. I think we need to address a back up or 3rd QB this off season. Maybe one veteran, but Romo aint no spring chicken
Its a baseball draft
Building up the middle, C, NT, ILB and S. I like it. How does the Michigan NT compare to the BC NT prospects?
Package Deal
Trade Romo and TO for Carr and Plaxico.
OMG
I’d have to submit to a drug test just for THINKING that …
Stop the Madness - Enshrine Bob Hayes
"I played for the world's greatest professional sports team in history. Once a Dallas Cowboy, always a Dallas Cowboy." - Bob Hayes
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com
by Raul Villaronga on Jan 10, 2009 1:33 AM CST up reply actions
Raji is a 1st rounder.
Dallas might get a shot at Brace in the 2nd. Might.
But I may change this pick. I need to study the NTs/DTs more. Dallas plays a one gap system so another guy who’s 295 but quick and strong, in the Ratliff mold could be take.
I have a true NT here but I’m not sure Dallas looks for the biggest fire plug around. Parcells would have, but the NTs in Phillips’ scheme need to beat blocks, chase laterally and make tackles.
Jamal Williams can do this. But he’s valuable because he’s a big dude who can run, not because he simply big.
Good to Great NT's
Appears to be drafted in the 1st or 2nd round.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
I hear you
My point is the NT’s that some of the fans are clamoring for the Hampton, Williams, and Wilfork. of the world. Are all 1st and 2nd rounders.. Jay Ratliff is a beast, I love Jay, but he is minority, less the majority.. That is my point.
I do think the could do more damage with a good NT next to him..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
to add to the NT discussion.....
btw……nice intial mock….I’d be completely satisfied if we ended up with Delmas and Luigs with our first two picks….I’ll give a quick review of those two, and talk NT later….
Delmas should be there when we hit the podium, pending unforeseen additions by underclassmen, and better talent dropping to us, he’s a solid pick…….He’s making his way up the ranking charts though, and could eventually jet upward with a great post season showing, and combine, somewhat like DRC and Mayo…I think we should be looking strickly at FS as opposed to SS, this early in the draft, and he fits the bill…
Luigs would be a great addition to our O Line unit, and would probably give us immediate play at the LG position, as he’s agile and strong enough to excel in both pass and run protect, as well as lead blocker at the second level…Eventually, He’d be able to push, and probably supplant Gurode at the Center spot…or flop with Gurode right away and start for as Center…and move Gurode back to OG…….He’s better than Kosier right out of college…I like this pick, IF we don’t go OC/OG with our first pick, be it Mack or Unger…Luigs is the next available option at interior lineman…
Taylor-DT-Michigan…not a real big fan to be honest…I’ve looked at the guy a few times, and i’m not sure he’d excel at the next level….First off, he’s 6’0" tall…and a playing weight in the 305 to 318 range……I realize leverage, and stoutness, and pad level all come into play when you talk NT…..but so doesn’t disrupting passing lanes, and vision to see plays develope…….I think if he went up against an O Line like ours..where the interior OL are all about 6’6" 330lbs…he’d get engulfed, and simply flattened out of the play…..Scott Wright, of Draftcountdown.com…who I highly respect for his opinion, info, and data, has Taylor listed on his All Overrated Team at DT…..so right away I do research to see what this guys all about…It all comes down to height…..not many interior D linemen have ever made an impact at 6’0" tall…and he’s know I just don’t see him replacing Ratliff anytime soon, and I feel there are better men out there to man the NT position……Dorell Scott of Clemson for instance…nothing flashy, does his job, and plays a true form of NFL type NT…..He is much bigger, at 6’4" 320-330 playing range…Has listed 40 times of 5.00 40, compared to Taylor’s 5.2 40 listing…so Scott is bigger, stronger, and faster…and that’s what I like….He’s also a leader of the Clemson D as captain, and I’ve read quite a bit about him mentoring incoming underclassmen, and showing great leadership skills………..I’m not sure if he makes it into the 4th round…but if he does, and we hadn’t already addressed the position…I’d jump on Dorell Scott….later round NT consideration can be made for Stillman’s Sammy Lee Hall or Miami’s Antonio Dixon in rounds (6-7)
I wouldn’t complain if we go with Cadagen-OT-PSU in the late 4th, if available, and if a few others aren’t still listed ahead of him….I’d prefer UCONN’s William Beatty-OT, but he may end up moving up the draft charts and go in the 2nd-3rd…
I also like the Joshua Mauga selection, and gives us great value if chosen in the 5th round…There may be better options at this stage of the draft, but we must address the ILB position at some point (I’d be looking earlier, even with our 2nd rounder)……. Mauga would make the roster for sure… bye bye Barbie !!
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
President - Garrett MUST GO campaign -
Scott is fine.
This is the position I’ve looked at the least. I looked at Taylor and Scott and put Taylor here cause he’s been rated higher.
But as I’ve said, I went off the template of a two-gap, 320 lb + guy, where Dallas has shown they can work very effectively, in fact will work more effectively, with an active 295-300 lb. NT over a 330 lb. clod who can’t move.
Jamal Williams was a 2nd round supplemental guy and probably would have been a 1st rounder had he come out in April.
Guys who are 315 have have Ratliff’s reach, punchout and speed don’t get out of the top ten.
I totally agree...I'd prefer the Ratliff type of NT, but if Scott runs a 5.00 40...that's incredible nimble for a man his size...
He’s not just some fat slob with a gut…..he’s a full bodied guy that can actually afford to put on another 10-15 lbs and still be agile and stout at the point of attack, while offering an inside push….MY DREAM NT is Ndamukong Suh of Nebraska….ideal NT in Wade’s 3-4….6’4" 305lbs….5.06 40…with much upside and ability to pack another 10-15 lbs without affecting his game at all…the guy is going to be great…..He hasn’t declared yet…so I must harness my excitiment for this guy……….He’d go anywhere between 15-50 if he comes out…more likely in the first if teams need DL….NT or DE…I want this guy…
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
President - Garrett MUST GO campaign -
As a Clemson fan I've had some opportunity to watch Scott
Scott seems a solid D lineman, good tackler, and can also chase QBs out of the pocket and around the field, for DaQuan Bowers (think a very young DeMarcus Ware-type) to clean up. He can move, and he can tackle, and he can bring pressure, plus he’s big, and fast enough. Too tall for NT, maybe? If so, perhaps we can use him as a 3-4 DE behind Canty or Spears (especially if we lose Canty this year, or don’t plan to resign Spears/Hatcher next year). I’d love to see him wearing a star on Sundays.
Nice job with some of the guys you mentioned. Beatty will probably shoot up the draft boards, but if he is around at 51, Dallas should take him and cheer in the war room. Mayock (over at NFL.com, who has become the new draft guru) ranked Beatty as one of the top 5 tackles in this draft. I hear that William needs to work on some technique, and get stronger through his upper body: both things that can be accomplished over an off season. If Luigs is available in the early 3rd round, and Dallas could land Beatty with the 51st pick, the offensive line would be significantly upgraded in the near future.
Instead of taking a bigger linebacker, however, I would like to see Dallas go after a smaller, quicker, faster outside linebacker (like Tyrone McKenzie, South Florida) and move him to Carpenter’s position. That would give Dallas the opportunity to cover tight ends and running backs with an inside linebacker, since neither Bradie James nor Roy Williams can cover worth a darn.
As you noted, Taylor from Michigan is overrated. Sammy Lee Hall is a possible sleeper. It is hard to tell with his limited experience against top level offensive linemen. Scott could be a stud.
Smaller, quicker ILBs don't work in this scheme
unless you have a Jamal Williams.
I’ve looked at a few games the last week, looking at Zach Thomas. The guy has great balance, but there are games and plays where he’s a pinball, and his balance is all that’s keeping him from getting throw on his back five yards upfield.
He wore down. Dallas needs another James type, a 240-245 lb. guy who can take on guards and OTs, survive the collision and then make the tackle.
But it’s a tough sell in the middle rounds. You either have guys who are Burnett clones, who are 230 and fast or guys with the ballast, at 260-270, who can’t run.
Hey, if Kevin Burnett could do it, Dallas would simply promote him to starter. But he’s listed at 227 lbs., and I’ve been told Dallas’ weights are among the most accurate you’ll find in the NFL.
Carpenter has a position?
Is this the old he plays “Left Right Out” gag?
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 9, 2009 9:19 PM CST up reply actions
Raf
With the Louis Delmas Selection do you envision him playing Strong or Free safety? Or do you think we will go with a dual Safety and they trade off roles? Is he a Center field type safety?
Height: 5-11 Class-Eligibility: Sr-Sr
Weight: 196 Born: 4/12/1987
Birthplace: North Miami Beach, FL
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
I know we need a S but
Dorell Scott, DT, Clemson or Ron Brace, NT, Boston College (Big guy to stuff the run)
or
Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU or Larry English, DE/OLB, Northern Illinois (maybe a bookend to Ware and get rid of Greg Ellis
or my personal favorite Sam Young, OT, Notre Dame
Of all your names mentioned, I really like English. Would be cool to add him to the "rotation."
"I got a fever. And the only prescription is more cowbell." -- Bruce Dickinson
www.brainfriednetwork.com [NEWS/SPORTS/FOOTBALL]
maybe with the 3 we go S
Derek Pegues, FS, Mississippi State or Louis Delmas, FS, Western Michigan
not happening
If we draft a qb he’ll be 3rd string and never see the field next season. A veteran qb, whoever we sign to replace Johnson, will be #2.
In Romo we Trust
guys I use WalterFootball.com
for pick estimations
Tebow's Girlfriend
Are you referring to Sam Bradford?
I'll take whatever they are.
For free.
Pimpin' ain't easy and neither is being a Sixers fan. I manage to do both. Join me at Liberty Ballers, the SBNation 76ers blog. Don't make fun of the name either. It has nothing to do with the New York Liberty of the WNBA.
IT'S THE DAILY DOUBLE!!!!!!
pun intended…
Stop the Madness - Enshrine Bob Hayes
"I played for the world's greatest professional sports team in history. Once a Dallas Cowboy, always a Dallas Cowboy." - Bob Hayes
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com
by Raul Villaronga on Jan 10, 2009 1:34 AM CST up reply actions
lol...IF she was my mom, I'd be breast feeding till I graduated high school.
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
President - Garrett MUST GO campaign -
I see now...
why Tebow has no trouble holding on to a relatively small football!
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
OMG; that is cold
Bradford is Tebow’s girlfriend.
Remember this guy
Rhett Bomar, Sam Houston State projected 3-4 rounds OU guy who left unceremoniously could have been the Sam Bradford, bet he falls but the elite talent is there.
Height: 6-2. Weight: 218.
Projected 40 Time: 4.72.
12/20/08: Led Sam Houston State with 3,355 yards, 27 touchdowns and 13 picks.
He has a lot of talent
He only dropped because of something stupid like receiving a car or something. Kid can play and will be around in the 3rd or 4th depending on how high people take QBs early.
by joey7289 on Jan 9, 2009 4:53 PM CST up reply actions
I thought he would sneak into the 4th or later
But I keep seeing his name pop up in the list of top prospects. I like him too, but he could go earlier than Dallas should spend a pick on a guy to develop.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
I'm just not sold on that guy for some reason....supposedly the scouts dig him....
but they were diggin Alex Smith, JP Losman, and David Carr as well…so what do they know……
IF I drafted a guy that played for Sam Friggin Houston State…I’d sure like to see better numbers than what he put up against what competition ?????
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
President - Garrett MUST GO campaign -
Scouts know who Bomar is
He could be this year’s Kevin Kolb, a guy who goes high in the 2nd.
good point
He comes to the combine looks accurate, good footwork, and display’s a good arm he could shoot up..
Question taking money from an Agent how big of red flag is that?
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
Raf
I don’t see it, I think a lot people see him as a risk for what he did in college. Even if it was something stupid like accept something. I think he’ll be around in the 3rd.
by joey7289 on Jan 9, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions
bomar and an ol
“worked” for a car dealership in Norman washing cars and such and got paid some idiotic amount of money…plus their time cards showed an hour here or there,per week…..
So if he's stupid, you want him?
I thought Dallas was trying to reduce their dumb quota.
I never said he was stupid
Smart people can do stupid things. I just said i think he’ll be a 3rd round pick.
by joey7289 on Jan 9, 2009 8:06 PM CST up reply actions
Raf you a Monty Python fan, if so then I think we could all do with a holy hand grenade
to take out the gints and iggles to keep them from getting into the SB.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
Three shall be the number of the counting..
and the number of the counting shall be three. Two shall thee not count, lest thou then proceedeth to three. Four is outright.
How about ...
" … shhhh … I tole him we already gotwone …"
Stop the Madness - Enshrine Bob Hayes
"I played for the world's greatest professional sports team in history. Once a Dallas Cowboy, always a Dallas Cowboy." - Bob Hayes
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com
by Raul Villaronga on Jan 10, 2009 1:36 AM CST up reply actions
This is the second mock you made that I like
and that is hard to do.
I would consider OT Phil Loadhalt (sp?) in the second though. Reminds me of a young Flo.
Phil Loadholt
will have to play RT in the pros.
Brian Orakpo made him look very, very slow. So will any quality NFL edge rusher. The guy can mash, though
He looked bad, I thought, against Orakpo
Not ready to be a LT in the pros.
I like Loadholdt too, but he doesn’t always dominate like his incredible size would make you think.
My favorite OL guy is his teammate Duke Robinson, but he’s a surefire 1st round pick.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
Boone sucks and would be distgusted if we selected that overrated OT....I think we learned our lesson selecting OSU talent...
or lack there of…
Loadholt is strickly a RT in the NFL….a decent one though…..reminds me of Godser Cherius-RT-Detroit Lions pick from last year…same game, same flaws…
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
President - Garrett MUST GO campaign -
I'll stay with my rock OT if he comes out
Sam Young, OT, Notre Dame 6’8 330 blocks out the sun will pancake your azz became the first Notre Dame offensive lineman to start the season opener as a freshman since 1972 (boom)
I don't produce a mock till after all underclassmen commit...
and post season bowl games….
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
President - Garrett MUST GO campaign -
Cowboys might have 11 draft picks to work with
the Cowboys have nine draft picks from rounds 2-7. And it’s likely the club will get at least two more compensatory picks, possibly even three, for losing free agents Julius Jones, Jacques Reeves and Nate Jones. Because Julius Jones started a few games at running back for Seattle, the Cowboys could get a compensatory pick somewhere in the fourth- or fifth-round range.
So before it’s all said and done, the Cowboys might have 11 draft picks to work with. And we know they don’t 11 new spots for young players. So don’t be surprised if Jerry Jones uses last year’s approach and moves up and down in the draft to either add picks in the earlier rounds this year, or stockpile picks for next season.
We should own the middle rounds
If JuJo gets us a 4th or 5th then Reeves should get us a 3rd or 4th since he signed a relatively hefty contract and started almost every game.
Wheeling and Dealing
Jerry the mock draft killer? You Jerry is about to go crazy draft day..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
Jerry gonna shine, oh he gonna shine on draft day, bulle dat.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
LOL...I'd love to be in the war room...Jerry's gonna be a like kid at a candy store.....
I’d wheel and deal those 11 picks into 4-5 top four round picks…more picks in the top 120 the better…
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
President - Garrett MUST GO campaign -
You know it, he is going to make a splash, with JJ any draft situation is open for discussion.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
I want a new Dirty Dozen plus 3
I think we need a housecleaning and I could see a new Dirty Dozen, like 1975, plus three more. We need two QBs, two to three safeties; a WR; a third TE; a center; an offensive tackle; a NT; another corner; a couple of ILB; another DE . . . a true big time full back to replace too little Cricket. That is a Dirty Dozen plus 3.
A sleeper at NT we should be looking at is
Sammie Lee Hill. He went to Stillman but was very productive, he is a big guy but has some athletic ability. Would be a good pick in the mid rounds.
I like Sammy Lee alot....great pick up in the later rounds IF we don't go DL early....
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
President - Garrett MUST GO campaign -
Why limit yourself to one?
They would love the chance to play Ratliff outside as much as possible.
They could take two NTs, the same way they took two RBs and two CBs last year.
I'm all for taking two NT's....THAT position needs to be solidified.........
All we need is a NT for obvious running situtions, and we can get by with Ratliff moving outside, then when we go to a 4 man front in our nickle, etc…. having Rat, and big beefy playmaker next to him in the nickle would be great….I like to get our DL rotation like back in the 90;s….interchangable parts playing in harmony, all while staying fresh, and hungry……..
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
President - Garrett MUST GO campaign -
What about Brandon Crawford
the ex-Marine from Ball State? So what if he’s 31? He’d be a leader.
What about
Tim Tebow? He is the ultimate leader the Cowboys need. Any chance he falls to 51? I know he’s not a popular NFL draft prospect but you could give it a shot. He would be a good backup if nothing else.
IMo
To many holes to draft a project player with our 1st pick.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
If i were the Dolphins
I would defiantly take him. He easily makes the wild cat threatening again.
by joey7289 on Jan 9, 2009 5:11 PM CST up reply actions
Ok Tim Tebow
I know the whole world is in love with him but first, I don’t think he can be an every down back in the NFL. Second, if you think he’s going to come in and get in TO’s face and tell him to shut up, or call out Wade, it isn’t gonna happen. He is going to be a rookie you know, rarely do you see a guy come in and be a “leader”
by joey7289 on Jan 9, 2009 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
Its not about..
getting in TO’s face or calling out Wade. It’s about being committed to being a good teammate and dedicating your world to being the best football player you can be. The Cowboys have a few players like that (Ware, Barber, Witten) but not nearly enough.
So what
Tim Tebow changes that by being one 4 players according to your list?
by joey7289 on Jan 9, 2009 5:17 PM CST up reply actions
I'm trying to say..
this team needs more guys to play with heart and guts and you see it every Saturday from that guy. Not Mike Jenkins quitting during the middle of a play he could have and should have made.
Ok from that point I agree.
But when I hear leader I think something different, but yes he’ll come in every Sunday and play, I just don’t think he’ll be a very good QB.
by joey7289 on Jan 9, 2009 5:29 PM CST up reply actions
And can people please stop
Acting like they know what really goes on in the locker room. Who are team players are and aren’t.
by joey7289 on Jan 9, 2009 5:25 PM CST up reply actions
+1000000000 Slick-ish........big difference...
Tebow is a player this team needs…..I don’t care if plays #3 QB, H-Back, Fullback….He’s worth a 2nd round pick , regarless of position…….I say he stays for his senior year anyhow…mute point….but yes…IF available at 48-51…you bet your ass i’d select him, regardless of who else is available….heck. I bet the kid would play LB or SS if called upon…..no questioned asked..
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
President - Garrett MUST GO campaign -
A 2nd-rounder on another shiny toy?
Garrett doesn’t even know how to use the toys he already has. This team already has three very good backs and Witten and Martellus at tight end. If I was going to take a flier on a college QB who will likely have to switch positions to make it in the NFL, I’d take Pat White in the 4th or 5th round. Now obviously, he is as much of a non-option to ever play QB in the NFL as Stanback but on the other hand I think his upside at another position is much higher than Tebow as he’s more explosive. Plus, you’d still be able to occasionally use him like Antwaan Randle-El on trick plays.
umm.....Tebow is no toy....he's no glamor boy...He's a competitor...
and I’d have him as our back up QB…..not asking him to change positions….but I would integrate him into other positions to take advantage of his althetic ability…..I do like Pat White, and if we were gonna go with another project at WR…he’d be ideal….maybe make him a punt returner as well…..while we’re at it…..but Tebow would excel at any position he plays….and be as effective with trick plays…..i said FullBack…not RB…big difference..and YES…He would excel at the FB position, as he’s fast and powerful, a great runner, and has the athletic ability needed to pass protect, and be a safety valve on checkdowns, as opposed to putting a TE in the backfield to block, or having a one demensional FB in Anderson……and YES…we also need a 3rd TE….which I am sure Tebow would excel at….FB/TE/HB a Cooley clone…IMO…..all while playing special teams and being our reserve QB…..and a great teammate…I doubt he’s even coming out, but if you don’t realize what he brings to the table…then i can’t help ya out….
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
President - Garrett MUST GO campaign -
You misunderstood me.
Shiny toy was just another way of saying weapon. I did consider him at the fullback position but how competent would he be as a blocker? I do think while he may not have the quicks to be a good running back, he has tools to be a great short-yardage back.
I realize what he brings to the table. I’d just rather have a big stinky lineman in the 2nd round. The Cowboys seem to have a shortage of capable linemen; versatile offensive weapons not so much.
I agree,,,,I would love to land a compenant OL in the second round....We just haven't done that since Flozell....
that’s alot of missed, and wasted picks…..I do believe there will be some decent ones left by the time our pick comes though……….IF we don’t draft a OL with our first pick…..I assure you whoever we draft after round 2 won’t make an impact on this team, and will doubtfully ever start on our O Line….so it’s round 2 or bust for me….sure depth is great, if you want to groom a back up lineman for 3-4 years , and then have him leave via FA alas Rone Stone…..I believe you either draft your O Linemen on the first day, or you go FA route…..period…
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
President - Garrett MUST GO campaign -
I should say after our top 3rd rounder....
meaning either our first or second pick is an O Linemen…..or forget it till the later rounds..
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
President - Garrett MUST GO campaign -
btw...Garrett doesn't know anything period...led alone how to function with a cookie jar filled with stars...
heck….Tebow can take over for Garrett and call better plays as well…hows that for diversity..
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
President - Garrett MUST GO campaign -
Maybe BoyzRback is following the draft day mantra of draft the best player available
do no draft for need. So hypothetically if Tebow falls to the boys then they should take him because he is the best player at that point.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
There is no guarantee Tebow is the opening day starter at fullback.
Assuming something like that is a big leap. I’d rather have a nose tackle or a big stinky lineman. Yes, it’s true that there’s no guarantee a guy drafted at either of those positions would be contributing from day one either but given how poor the depth was shown to along the O-line throughout ’08, the number one priority has to be stockpiling competent O-linemen. Priority 1A would be getting a burly enough but not so burly as to be a big slug nosetackle.
It’s not that I don’t see the value in picking up a QB somewhere in Rounds 3-5; just that there are more pressing needs on the O-line and up the middle (nose, ILB, safety) on defense than picking a best player available who it’s not even sure what his position is.
I agree...QB is not our biggest need....but you don't just draft an OL, NT, LB or S because we need one...
those are the 4 positions of need..for sure…as is a need to start grooming a quality QB….
I would use one of our 2nd, 3rd, or 4th rounders on a QB though..
my priority chart:
2) NT, S, OL, QB, LB
3) NT, S, QB, OL, LB
4) NT, QB, LB, OL
4) QB, NT, LB, LB
5) LB, OL, DL, DB
5) LB, DB, OL, DL
6) DB, DL, OL, WR
7) DB, WR, OL, DL
7) DB, WR, OL, DL
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
President - Garrett MUST GO campaign -
there you go....he hasn't even declared yet....so this doesn't matter...
but he’s definately going to hold a higher draft grade than any S, NT, LB, or OL we can get at that spot…and he will be a QB at the next level….give him 3-4 years to groom properly, and he can be our eventual replacement…or at the very least, a great option at back up QB….the most important reserve role in sports…for a friggin second round pick…you bet your ass i make the move if he’s there…OR do we spend another 3 million a year to have Brad Johnson’s of the world hold our chances of winning in his hands ? …Tebow would be cheaper than any FA #2 we can find out there……but like I said, I don’t think he’s coming out early…and I don’t think he’ll last to pick #50 either…
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
President - Garrett MUST GO campaign -
Draft
The more I think about this years draft the more I can see Dallas going Defense heavy again. Look at all the players in limbo – Zach (probably gone), Burnett (who knows), Canty (could be gone), Ellis (at the end of his rope), Watkins (might be gone), Spears (1 year left on his contract), Sorry Tank (gone), Keith Davis (ST player only), Henry (does he switch to FS?), Carpenter (can you say bust?). That’s a lot of players to back-fill. I know our OL needs some help but I bet we address this late in the draft or via FA.
- I don’t see Dallas cutting TO. Jerry will not won’t to eat that money.
My dream Mock (as of today):
2. Ron Brace – DT/NT – Boston College – http://bceagles.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/brace_ron01.html
3. Michael Hamlin – SS – Clemson – http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1614
4. DeAngelo Smith – CB – Cincinnati – http://gobearcats.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/smith_deangelo00.html
4. Cody Brown – DE/OLB – UConn – http://www.uconnhuskies.com/sports/MFootball/2008/2008%20bios/codybrown.html
5. Jason Phillips – ILB – TCU – http://gofrogs.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/phillips_jason00.html
5. Ray Feinga – OG – BYU – http://www.byucougars.com/Profile.jsp?ID=2128
6. Tom Brandstater – QB – Fresno St – http://www.nfldraftbible.com/Players/List/2009-Big-Board/QB-TOM-BRANDSTATER.html
7. Cornelius Lewis – OT – Tennesseee State – http://www.tsutigers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=92676&SPID=11267&DB_OEM_ID=19600&ATCLID=1568404&Q_SEASON=2008
Michael Hamlin
Is a good player. I like him and not just because he’s Ken’s brothers haha.
by joey7289 on Jan 9, 2009 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
Brandstater sucks
I am Fresno State Grad.. No way we want that guy, no way..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
excellent mock tyler2...would be very happy with that scenario....
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
President - Garrett MUST GO campaign -
I like Luigs too,
even if he can’t unseat Gurode right away, he could backup center and guard.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
Gurode needs to move to Guard
Gurode just can’t get the ball back to Romo consistently; it makes Romo look away from the defense just when he needs to be deciding the rush play that is coming . . . Gurode can bolster the guard rotation and we get a center that can do the most important job of being center; snapping the darn ball.
The Cowboys will get some compensatory picks
and have like 11 picks overall.
I don’t see them drafting more than 7 or 8 players though. Jerry’s gonna trade some to stockpile for next year unless there’s something in the 1st he wants.
George Teague did it all.
Tex 4 Tebow
Tim Tebow would be the perfect fit in Dallas, and he just may be there in round two. The passion, the leadership, the “it”. Everything the Cowboys haven’t had at that position since Aikman, who at the age of 29 had already won his three rings.
Tebow would be a perfect change-of-pace QB who could be used in a variety of short-yardage and red-zone packages. He’d give Jerry the marketing “zing”, and Tex would certainly feel more comfortable in the new suite with some depth at the most important position in all of sports.
A Tebow, Jones, Barber package would be a pleasure to watch.
Where is he expected to go?
I know the Florida QBs have a bad history, but they were saying last night that he’s a top 10 all-time college player.
He’d be an intriguing backup, but controversy would brew. He kinda reminds me of Witten for some reason.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 9, 2009 5:58 PM CST up reply actions
He is Witten wearing #15.....cut from the same cloth....
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
President - Garrett MUST GO campaign -
Witten's only 26.
And Martellus seems to be a beast in his own right. Although I do kind of agree that Tebow could be a special player as a h-back/fullback/tight end. I just don’t see the need for a project that has more potential at positions this team is already loaded at.
no announcement yet....I think he should stay in school....
win a second Heisman, and a third National Title….
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
President - Garrett MUST GO campaign -
I'll vomit if that happens.
I’m sorry he’s just sooooooooooo annoying.
by joey7289 on Jan 9, 2009 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
how so ???....cuz he's everyones super hero ??
there’s not one thing wrong with the guy……..he’s about as perfect as a guy can get….jealous ? has you questioning your insecurities ? has you wondering how you can be a better man ? got inferiority complex ? tired of hearing about great student athletes ?
let it go man…..the dude deserves his props….in fact, he deserved this years Heisman Trophy as well….and if he stays another year, his legend will grow….should be lucky that you’ll be able to tell your grand kids one day about how you were able to witness probably thee greatest college QB ever…your supposed to grow up to be like Tebow…….I’d trade my life for his any day….even if he doesn’t succeed at the NFL level….he’s a genuine decent human being…
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
President - Garrett MUST GO campaign -
I love the guy
And his mission trips that we ALWAYS have to hear about. or that same clip ESPN played 80000 times, and they show his passion by running up and down the sidelines. Don’t bother to show when he talks S to player well because he’s so in touch with god. With his John 3:16 line pain. But whatever. You like a guy or don’t like a guy. Never said he can’t play. He’s the greatest College player of all time.And am I jealous? No, I’m not jealous of a guy who is physical more gifted then I ever could be. BTW I’m not suppose to grow up to be anyone but the person I want to be. So jump on the band wagon while you can, well you’ve already jumped on. And I’m glad your trading your life for a 21 year olds…nice thinking. Can’t wait to tell my Grand kids about Tim Tebow. Not Obama, not George Washington, not someone who actually meant something to the great history of this country. So enough of this BS, you said I’ve jealous, you’ve practically drooled all over this dude, give me a break.
by joey7289 on Jan 10, 2009 1:38 AM CST up reply actions
lol....nahh....just caught up in the moment...
but yeah…..if i can go back 20 years or so, i’d sure like to be him at this moment…
just shows how BSPN can spin a story about someones life to any course they wish to go….and we have to eat it up….there isn’t much difference between Tebow and TO…both are very passionate, vocal players…..it’s all about perception…
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
President - Garrett MUST GO campaign -
I think I've decided
I’m going to like next year’s draft no matter what. We’ve got obvious needs and plenty of picks. I don’t really know any of the players, and we don’t have a first-rounder, so I don’t have to quibble over high profile players.
Ahh, I’m not going to let this year’s draft stress me out.
In-YOUR-endo
by accidental innuendo on Jan 9, 2009 5:56 PM CST reply actions
i would not be at all surprised if Jerry bundles some of the later round picks
to deal his way back into the first round, though…
I'll take the odds on that.
George Teague did it all.
by Aaron Novinger on Jan 9, 2009 5:59 PM CST up reply actions
Dagnabit!
I just don’t expect to have the energy this year.
In-YOUR-endo
by accidental innuendo on Jan 9, 2009 6:13 PM CST up reply actions
we really do need to get back into this 1st round though....THIS years draft is loaded with positional players we need.,.
next years draft not so hot…..Trade our 2010 #1 for a #1 in this draft…..throw in a 4th, 5th, and 7th ,,,,i think we can deal…Philly’s got two 1st rounders, and have been dance partners in the past…..maybe they bite…..Like us…they aren’t in dire need of immediate starters, and could build up their depth as well…
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
President - Garrett MUST GO campaign -
I believe SS is our position of greatest need
Don’t care if it’s the draft or FA but we need to fix this gaping hole but quick. I have pined for a space eating NT for three years now but hey, Raf makes an excellent point that Ratliff is stellar in the SOB scheme and another athletic NT would be a better fit than a just another blubber-butt. I personally hope we retain Kevin Burnett, as he has played very well when he gets on the field but, we probably will need to fill ZTs shoes as he doesn’t seem to appreciate having 320lbs up in his grill when he is uncovered. Thanks for the hard work there Zach. Oh, yeah, speaking of OGs, how about a replacement for CP! Last but not least, is Flow getting old or was he just hurt??? Make that 2 Offensive Linemen kind sir.
What about Terrance Cody
6-4, 375 pounds of Bama NT.
does he run the 40 in under 40 seconds?
just kidding, I doubt though that he can move well enough for the 1-gap scheme we run.
Just starting to glance at prospects for ILB
There are 2 JR’s who look really good if they declare early -
Joe Pawelek Baylor
http://www.cfbstats.com/2008/player/51/1000328/index.html
and
Mark Herzlich BC
http://www.cfbstats.com/2008/player/67/1000409/index.html
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
Tom.....Herzlich is my DREAM selection.....but he has already declared that he's staying at BC....
Herzlich will be a top 5 pick in next years draft……good move on his part…otherwise he was gonna go anywhere from 18-40 in this years draft depending on team needs…
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
President - Garrett MUST GO campaign -
Thanks Boyz
I was hoping for him to come out early because of the coach getting the axe, but it makes more sense for him to stay and be a top 10 next season
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Jan 9, 2009 11:23 PM CST up reply actions
Funny how
we’ve gone from the fear and loathing of the 44-6 day to talking happily about draft picks again.
Downer alert: Jerry’s still the owner, Cupcake’s still the coach.
my free agent choices.
Dunta Robinson, CB, Houston Texans: Robinson, 26,
returned in November from major leg and knee injuries, and
the Texans went 5-1 with him in the lineup.
Bart Scott, ILB, Baltimore Ravens: With Ray Lewis and
Terrell Suggs also free agents, Scott could be the odd man out. He is only 28, though, so there could be a bidding war.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
Sure I can understand Scott, see our need for upgrade at ILB....but..
Where do you see Dunta Robinson fitting into this defense ??
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
President - Garrett MUST GO campaign -
Troy_Aikman_Photo.jpg)
DA MAN!
God how good did we have it in the early 90s ..
Stop the Madness - Enshrine Bob Hayes
"I played for the world's greatest professional sports team in history. Once a Dallas Cowboy, always a Dallas Cowboy." - Bob Hayes
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com
by Raul Villaronga on Jan 10, 2009 1:39 AM CST up reply actions
I was all for this kid when he replaced Bledsoe but he really has become a punk.
This kid don’t take his job serious anymore. I don’t want to hear about his stats or blaming the o line like we did with bledsoe..Romo is headed in the wrong direction as far as his football career goes.I had Romos back since he came in but he has not taken football serious in my opinion.
The ultimate warrior Troy Aikman.
We have a romo discussion thread please use it, this is draft talk.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
Do you think we should draft a qb?
The ultimate warrior Troy Aikman.
by biz is winning on Jan 9, 2009 8:11 PM CST up reply actions
I do...no later than the fourth round either...
losts of nice prospects to groom in this draft….and all will be gone by the end of round 4…
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
President - Garrett MUST GO campaign -
As a back-up QB or a young one to develop yes, because Romo is probably the starter for
the next 4-5 years and they need to have a vet back-up and a young prospect they can develop.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
Our first round pick is gone.
I agree,i believe we should start grooming a qb since we have time to do so with Romo at the helm…Jerry should try to move up in the first round next year to land a qb that we could groom for the future..Such as a Colt Mccoy….
The ultimate warrior Troy Aikman.
by biz is winning on Jan 9, 2009 8:33 PM CST up reply actions
That is an option this year or the next depending on what JJ wants to do with the 11 possible
picks the team should have.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
Cowboy.
I’m talking about a big name not somebody you pick up in the late rounds hoping you get
Brady or a Favre..This would be the perfect time because we ’ve got romo to qb until the time is right..
The ultimate warrior Troy Aikman.
I did not specify that it had to be a late round pick. JJ could work his stuff on draft day to either get a higher pick
this year or the next so he has an option if there is no one the team would consider taking in this years draft. I do not think the qb of the future has to be this year, it could be next year.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
+1 biz.....but you can forget about getting McCoy next year..he'll be a top 5 pick
We won’t find a future QB in the later rounds (5-urfa)…….a guy like Nate Davis of Ball St. would be ideal in round 4….if he declares and lasts that long…This guys got a future in the NFL..
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
President - Garrett MUST GO campaign -
Do you think McCoy has the arm to be a top 5 pick?
He surely wouldn’t have even been a first rounder this year had he come out.
by Mandmeisterx on Jan 12, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
he looks like a west coast qb to me
He might have a good arm but never really displayed it at Texas, threw mostly 10-15 yard patterns.
In Romo we Trust
I'm not saying he couldn't be a successful NFL QB,
but he definitely isn’t ever going to be a first round pick.
by Mandmeisterx on Jan 13, 2009 7:25 AM CST up reply actions
10-15 yards patterns are exactly what Romo should be throwing..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 13, 2009 9:10 AM CST up reply actions
If that's what he's going to do,
he better spend all camp working on it, because he isn’t very good at it right now.
by Mandmeisterx on Jan 13, 2009 10:04 AM CST up reply actions
Its funny how we only remember the glory days....
Like the days when aikman was winning rings, and we forget the later years, when aikman was running for his life, and fumbling the football, and throwing picks.
We didnt want to hear the excuses, Like “his offensive line isnt doing the job” (right biz)
We didnt want to hear about his history, b/c we didnt want to “live in the past.”
All we knew is that we were sucking, and aikman was the QB. We went 5-11 in his last year. Before that, when we lost a home playoff game to the lowly cardinals, we booed him off the field, literally.
Now we pine for the old days, when we had the ultimate warrior, with a real game face.
I love the guy too, but damn, i just can’t forget how so many fans crucified him in his later years. you know what, where were the “ultimate warrior” “true game face” speeches then?
How quickly we forget.
Its tough not to light it up when you're running for you life, like aikman was....
But nobody wanted to hear it.
Romo was running for his life against the ravens, and he put up 17 in the 4th 1/4. too bad we couldnt tackle. But what the hell, the kid dont take football serious. Just ask randy galloway, he’ll tell you.
Ah, Randy
In 1970, Richard Nixon nominated Harrold Carswell to the Supreme Court. Carswell was dinged for being unworthy. Senator Roman Hruska, who voted for Carswell, said this about him,
“Even if he is mediocre, there are a lot of mediocre judges and people and lawyers. They are entitled to a little representation, aren’t they?”
That’s Randy. The dumb fans rep.
Let me paraphrase that
"even if Randy is a shrill, simple-minded, mob-leading mediocrity, there are a lot of simple-minded, masters of the obvious Cowboys fans out there just waiting to be whipped into a frenzy. Aren’t then entitled to a champion?
But the poor defense was gassed.
Remember when the Giants played the Steelers earlier this year and the Steelers defense finally gassed out and gave up back-to-back 60 and 70-yards run to Jacobs and Bradshaw?
Oh right, that didn’t happen. Despite Rawfulsberger and co. holding the ball for less than 26 minutes, the Steelers D was still able to stop the Giants running game (the best in the league) for the ENTIRE game. Imagine that.
How was Aikman regarded...
in his first couple of years?
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
Jar, I know bro...
…my point being…some fans are only fans when you have the trophy in your hand. They don’t see your potential as you are struggling to get to the top, and they feel betrayed when the inevitable decline begins. It’s a part of the human condition.
Churchill was the indomitable spirit that pulled Britain through WW2, then dumped by the people as soon as the war was over. So Winston/Troy/Tony, what have you done for me lately?
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
we didn't have the net then
but it would have been fun to go back and see how the Cowboys fans broke down in ’89 and ’90 on Walsh and Aikman.
I remember an ESPN story the day after Dallas pulled off the Herschel Walker trade
and it showed a Metroplex sports talk show being lit up by irate fans.
“I don’t understand this! This is the ONLY good player on the roster, and they trade him!”
My favorite was the die-hard I met at a Dallas party in ‘93 who was adamant that, "Landry would have done exactly what Jimmy Johnson is doing. They didn’t have to fire him."
Ah, good times.
I was hanging out in some dallas titty bars in 1989.
One night, in walks aikman.
So, Im guessing the blogs would have read something like this:
“This kid don’t take his job serious anymore. He is headed in the wrong direction as far as his football career goes.I had Romos back since he came in but he has not taken football serious in my opinion.”
and he was talking to some guy from Fox about this
and his line was, “man since when did dating pretty girls become a bad thing?”
Rafael,
if you havn’t won a SB, its a crime.
Get with the times bro.
Remember “bull durham”?
Crash Davis, to his young pitcher (nuke lelush): “You have fungus on your shower shoes. You win 20 in the show, you can let fungus grow on your shower shoes, the press will say you’re colorful. Until then, you’re a slob.”
you win a SB, you can date porn stars, the press will say you’re relaxing before the minicamp.
you whiff on an extra point hold in a playoff game, you’re “unfocused.”
Yeah
Joe Namath was pretty much bullet proof after he won Super Bowl III.
Charisma
Joe could wheel the ladies.
http://deadspin.com/5095147/this-photograph-just-makes-me-want-to-shampoo-something
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 9, 2009 9:39 PM CST up reply actions
On that note, good night.
I got back from my daughter’s indoor soccer game. They crushed a rival.
Im going to bed laughing.
Thats namath who drunkenly hit on a sideline reporter, not me.
(though i would have nailed visser in her day).
Good night.
JArhead
Joe Willy was trying to get a kiss from Suzy Kolber…and …is that THE jarhead like it’s THE Ohio State University?
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
No someone else had Jarhead as a login name and he had to change it when he came over from
BSR.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
and you're still laughing,
judging from the comments.
To think that incident with namath led to the creation of a site that has some of the funniest
no Politically Correct NFL satire I have seen.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
Derek Anderson...
I read somewhere the Browns were going to release him. Did anyone else hear that? I imagine he would bring a lot of interest from several clubs.
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
I heard he will.
And the Jets might be involved. The hit would be bad would it not? Was a dumb move from the beginning, Romeo wanted Quinn, now look at that mess.
by joey7289 on Jan 10, 2009 1:41 AM CST up reply actions
Detroit too
They’re going to take a QB first, but this lets them groom the kid slowly and not get him killed, like Jim Plunkett, Troy Aikman and so many other good QBs were early in their careers.
trent dilfer and david carr
never recovered from their rookie beat downs
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
Even then, we knew.
In Aikman’s second year the young Cowboys were the talk of the league. Everyone just knew they were destined to win Super Bowls. The fiery coach calling out Buddy Ryan’s fat rear, all the first and second round picks. Almost every analyst and color commentator talked of those young Cowboys as a team that was going to win it all. It was just a matter of when. Oh man, I just couldn’t believe we actually landed Aikman. Now THERE was a dream pick.
The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made.
Groucho Marx
27 men
In the 42 year history of the SuperBowl, only 27 different men have ever won. Yes, some have won more than once, but only 27 men have ever reached that pinnacle. A very select, very elite club.
http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Article.php?Page=378
Here are some interesting things about Super Bowl QBs and when they 1st brought home the trophy.
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
That's a short list
Hard to believe grandpa Brad is on that list.
The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made.
Groucho Marx
by Lunging Wolf on Jan 9, 2009 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
Related FanPosts on Blogging The Boys
Related FanShots on Blogging The Boys
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Certain photos copyright © 2012 by Associated Press or Getty Images. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of Associated Press and Getty Images is strictly prohibited.
