I wish Garrett would learn to go with the hot hand…
Was I the only one wondering why he continued to give the bulk of the carries to Barber yesterday when it was clear, early on, that Choice was having the better day? Garrett just seems to lock into an idea of what this team is supposed to do and it takes him a long time to break out of it and change things up; even after that evidence is there that a different direction would be more effective.
Going forward I’d love to see him go with the hot hand; meaning that if Choice is clearly having the better game than let him get the bulk of carries for that game and then let the other guys spell relief. The next week it might be Felix, and the week after that Barber. If someone is on a roll let them stay on a roll, much in the same way that a basketball coach will often give more minutes to a bench player in a particular game if he gets hot.
Same thing goes for the wide outs. Against Atlanta I expect to see Austin in the starting lineup, (not Crayton). I think he’s earned that after yesterday’s performance. But why do I have this foreboding feeling that Mr. “no-separation” Crayton will start.
Also…
I don’t think I have ever seen a defensive team in all my years of watching NFL football find more ways to give up a 3rd and very long than Wade’s group over the past few years. Yesterday during that 3 & 26 I turned to me wife and said, “I guarantee you this unit will find a way to blow this and give the Chiefs a first down.” Sure enough, one Alan Ball penalty later, the Chiefs were in business with a first and 10.
The two minute defense under Wade just might be the worst in Cowboys history. You can count on these guys to blow it every single time they are called on to close out a half or a game. Why is this? How can this unit play so well for well 28 minutes a half only to fall apart in the final two. Is it perhaps the “prevent” that in reality prevents nothing. I much prefer Rex Ryan’s approach of turning up the pressure during crunch time. As bad as the Chiefs pass protection was yesterday I would love to have seen two or three all out blitzes. I mean why not, it’s not like the safer approach kept them out of the end zone.
BTW, 5 off-sides penalties (4 in one drive) has this ever happen before?
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I do remember a couple of times last year
when “in crunch time” Wade threw in a heavy blitz and got burned badly both with passes and runs – even loss some games.
I’m thinking that he just doesn’t want THAT to happen again.
by BishopWest on Oct 12, 2009 10:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not sure I agree with the hot hand.
With Barbers running style, I’m not sure you can ever EXPECT a big game from him. He brings something that Felix and Choice can not bring, and thats attitude, something this offense needs. Felix and Choice do exactly what you want from them, 8-10 plays that bring a change of pace and speed. It seems obvious to me watching a game that after Barber pounds the defense for a few plays and only get 2-3 yards a carry, then Felix and Choice come in after that and gain 12+ yards. This is consistenly happening in our games this year and surely you don’t want to change that. Putting in Choice on ever down or the majoriy of reps like he had at the end of the 08’ season, his YPC average was around 3.5 not 10 as it was against the Chiefs, would only limit his big gain potential. Ask Choice if he would take 8 carries for 90 yards or 20 carries for 90 yards and see which one he would take, because that is about what you would get either way.
by Trivial on Oct 12, 2009 1:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not suggesting 20 carries...
More like 15 as opposed to the 8 he had, (especially with Barber obviously not at 100%). I don’t think any of these backs should see 20 carries a game. The change of pace each guy brings is too valuable for any one back to get that much of the work load. But I also think it’s a bad idea to come into each game with the same predictable formula week in and week out and to be unwilling to deviate from it if it’s not working.
If someone gets hot then let them have more than just two carries and then 20 minutes on the bench. Yesterday it was evident that Choice was the better back early in the game (before KC was tired). It’s not always about the bigger back wearing a defense down, sometimes it’s about which back is seeing the field better that day and hitting the holes with a better burst.
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by gee-roj on Oct 12, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Barber is a beast, while Felix and Choice will gash other teams when they’re tired or too aggressive. It’s just too bad all 3 can’t stay healthy for more than a couple games.
by ChrisRichey on Oct 12, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correction
Felix and MB3 can’t stay healthy. Tashard has been very durable and very productive to the point that playing him over the other two makes sense. it won’t happen, but it should. politics, you know?
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by DallasPalace on Oct 12, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
he’s also hurt less because he sees less downs… that is until the other two go sit in the trainer’s room
It's not that I'm saying we're due a playoff win, but I didn't have my license to drive when we won our last one...
by bulldog jeeper on Oct 13, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Facing the facts
The team is entirely less formidable when anyone other than Felix is in the game.
Having said that, seldom do we pass when Deon Anderson is in the game.
Personally, I miss having a FB that could sit down in the open part of the zone, catch the ball and pick up 7 yards.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Oct 12, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You must mean early moose....
Late 90’s moose was the master of the “none-yard pass” as noted by John Madden.
by mleklund on Oct 12, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I watched him and Emmitt dismantle a 49er defense catching 6 yard tosses
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Oct 12, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats what Witten and Bennett are for
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 12, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't know that
Don’t be surprised if that kind of thinking is wrong. Tashard may not have MB3’s power, but he has cutback abilities and vision that cannot be coached. Tashard is more workhorse than you are alluding to, but I’ll wait for him to prove that to you. You’ll see with your own eyes. We need to extend Barber’s career. Using him too much will wear him out very quickly. There are already signs that both Brandon Jacobs and MB3 have been taking alot of punishment, and are slowing down. Let the Giants get Brandon Jacobs hammered, we need to save MB3 from unnecessary pounding.
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by DallasPalace on Oct 12, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i guess i have to post this in every thread about this topic
Felix and Tashard are 1/4 the blockers and blitz protectors that Marion Barber is.
If all you care about is the 47% of the time the offense runs the ball, yes you change it up. But if you care about the other 53% of offensive snaps, the snaps stay the same until Felix and Tashard improve that aspect of their games. They are improving, but they still get Tony killed back there.
3 yards instead of 7 is alot better than sack-fumble-QB out for the year.
think beyond the stats.
Coach Winters: Alright, this is Mississippi State's offensive set. Second and two on our own 24, what defensive set might we call?
Alvin Mack: Eagle Zipper Hero, unless the setback shifts into the I.
Coach Winters: Good..[clicks to next slide], third and seven?
Alvin Mack: Oakie Thunder Lion.
Coach Winters: What's your assignment?
Alvin Mack: Kill the quarterback.
Coach Winters: [clicks to next slide]
Alvin Mack: Hit the tight end so hard his girlfriend dies.
Coach Winters: [clicks to next slide]
Alvin Mack: Kill everybody.
by KDP on Oct 12, 2009 3:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I am WELL aware of Barber’s pass blocking abilities…
In fact he had crushing block against KC on Sunday that helped give Romo time to complete a key 1st down on one of their drives. The guy is near unparalleled in this regard. There is a more than one way to defeat a team’s blitz however.
If either Choice or Felix were to burn the defense with a well timed screen pass or catch in the flat you can bet that the opposing DC would feel less inclined to call for the blitz. Not to that mention that Barber is quite good at catching out of the backfield as well. He did a lot of this 2007 in particular but has since been relegated to blocking duties due the all of the holes that have appeared on the O-line recently against the blitz. It’s a shame that they can’t put as much pressure on the opponents secondary as they used to due to the O-line’s bad play on passing downs.
Another thing to keep in mind is if Garret were to call a game that kept the opponents off guard and guessing as to what they were going to do next, it would go a long way towards protecting Romo. A lot of the time the defenses seem to know exactly when the Cowboys are going to pass vs. run based simply on how they line up. Mix it up and keeps these linebackers and safeties guessing.
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The NFC East has won 11 Super Bowls; oddly none of those have come courtesy of the Eagles.
by gee-roj on Oct 13, 2009 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you didn't hear after the Denver game?
picking up blitzers is Witten’s job?
well, at least when the Red Haired Wonder isn’t getting enough oxygen to his brain…
It's not that I'm saying we're due a playoff win, but I didn't have my license to drive when we won our last one...
by bulldog jeeper on Oct 13, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
easy dude
RH Wonder has the #1 offense in the league right now
by BishopWest on Oct 13, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still not scoring TD's in the redzone however...
And letting Witten out into some pass patterns might help that regard.
The 2009 Dallas Cowboys: Talk to me in December.
The NFC East has won 11 Super Bowls; oddly none of those have come courtesy of the Eagles.
by gee-roj on Oct 14, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
but still think that Garrett is “getting enough oxygen to his brain…”
by BishopWest on Oct 14, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we score in the redzone when barber is healthy
consistently. and every time he gets injured, we struggle there.
Coach Winters: Mississippi State's offensive set. 2nd & 2 on our own 24, what defensive set might we call?
Alvin Mack: Eagle Zipper Hero, unless the setback shifts into the I.
Coach Winters: Good..[clicks to next slide], third and seven?
Alvin Mack: Oakie Thunder Lion. {What's your assignment?}
Alvin Mack: Kill the quarterback. {{Coach Winters clicks to next slide}}
Alvin Mack: Hit the tight end so hard his girlfriend dies. {{Coach Winters clicks to next slide}}
Alvin Mack: Kill everybody.
by KDP on Oct 14, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't play a running back
just because he’s a good blocker. Now I love me some MB3, but he isn’t the same runner as the past. He may have accumulated injuries affecting him. The reason why blocking is even talked about from backs is because of Garrett’s need to throw the ball is a little on the excessive side, and that is why we keep our opponents in the game. That and because our offensive line stinks at pass blocking. Thus, the need to critique the running backs at pass blocking. If the offensive line was better at this, then we wouldn’t even be talking about this. But I still don’t understand why Garrett wants to run an offense like this with an offensive line that is designed for something else.
Too many 3 and outs. Passing is the culprit, make no mistake. Since we like to keep our opponents in the game this way, we won’t go far even if we do make the playoffs.
Meanwhile, Tashard Choice is sitting there, waiting to be used as a workhorse type back. Is it my imagination alone, or did alot of people also get the sense from the KC game that he was underutilized? Even underutilized as a reciever. What a shame, and a waste of talent. Against the big time defenses, I really want Tashard to carry the load, not Felix. Felix should be sprinkled in, and used with Tashard at the same time. send Felix out for a pass, and watch defenses react. I wonder who will be open then? Tashard? Miles Austin? This really is just an issue of using the players for what they do best, not a matter of who is better than the other. I just don’t think we are gonna go too far with Garrett’s pass schemes. The run and the short passes are second on his mind. I hope Garrett proves me wrong, but at this point, I’m very skeptical.
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by DallasPalace on Oct 12, 2009 7:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Some really good points in this thread.
Certainly MBIII is the superior blocker and brings a needed ferocity to the game that inspires his teammates. I truly hope he’s healthy and viable the remainder of his contract, as he’s a stud we want out there.
But when one guy is averaging 8-12 yards a pop and the other is averaging, what, 3-5 yards, it behooves one to get that 8-12 yard guy some more touches.
I think the point about RHJ’s rigidity is valid: there’s decisive and persevering, and there’s stubborn and inflexible. Finding the balance, grasshopper, leads to wisdom.
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
by Uncle Angus on Oct 14, 2009 9:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i agree to a point
but when you have a top 5 offense with your top 2 rb’s and top receiver out with injuries, a quarterback who had the yips.. you kind of have to forgive him for the occasional brain farts.
sure, in the heat of the game, you are pissed beyond belief when he makes some really questionable calls. and i stewed for days and cursed him in public after the two fades and after the two champs.. but these aren’t empty stats.
in both the giants and the denver games, despite all of the mistakes, he coordinated the game tying/winning drives. the nfl is a tough league and everybody plays their best against the cowboys, they just do. we all know that and we’ve said it forever. garrett did his job for us to be undefeated this year.
it ain’t all roses, but it aint all cowpies either.
Coach Winters: Mississippi State's offensive set. 2nd & 2 on our own 24, what defensive set might we call?
Alvin Mack: Eagle Zipper Hero, unless the setback shifts into the I.
Coach Winters: Good..[clicks to next slide], third and seven?
Alvin Mack: Oakie Thunder Lion. {What's your assignment?}
Alvin Mack: Kill the quarterback. {{Coach Winters clicks to next slide}}
Alvin Mack: Hit the tight end so hard his girlfriend dies. {{Coach Winters clicks to next slide}}
Alvin Mack: Kill everybody.
by KDP on Oct 14, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and also, i'm a firm believer
that this team had every intention of slowly rolling out a master plan over the course of the season to avoid a december swoon. with the way the schedule is stacked, isn’t it good coaching to do that? have we seen any of the great things that Raf and Dave witnessed in training camp?
Coach Winters: Mississippi State's offensive set. 2nd & 2 on our own 24, what defensive set might we call?
Alvin Mack: Eagle Zipper Hero, unless the setback shifts into the I.
Coach Winters: Good..[clicks to next slide], third and seven?
Alvin Mack: Oakie Thunder Lion. {What's your assignment?}
Alvin Mack: Kill the quarterback. {{Coach Winters clicks to next slide}}
Alvin Mack: Hit the tight end so hard his girlfriend dies. {{Coach Winters clicks to next slide}}
Alvin Mack: Kill everybody.
by KDP on Oct 14, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Garrett needs to put the hot hands in
Garrett NEEDS to start MILES AUSTIN…that is a must. he gets open all the time for a sure TD and ROMO over throws him. bottom line is Austin has to start, judging by how our season has started you got nothing to lose. its not like you have to take a productive receiver out of the line up to start him, because there are none!….Now the choice situation is a little different, because when felix comes back he is just as good if not better. although i do agree he needs more touches because he has great patience and good cuts. I love our back they are the best in the NFL.
by bloodsweatandtears on Oct 14, 2009 1:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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