Next Year's Coach canidates.. no it's not too early to discuss
Next years coach, is it too early to be discussing this topic?
Unfortunately the way I see it, this has to happen after this year. JJ could shock us all after this season ends with a resounding thud and keep Wade on for another waste of talented players time as they age. The schedule that Dallas has to play from here on out is very tough. I don't see a team that is playing together and playing well consistently to eek out 9 wins. After 3 years, Wade has put his touch on this team. He is a talented co-ordinator, not the best head coach. Just my opinion but I would bet some real money on it. Okay, sounds a bit like the panic button was pressed, I admit it. I pressed it. Word is that these guys are working hard. Problem is, it is not showing up on the field. Many posts are arguing that this group of players were coached by a more stringent Parcells and they still had the same problems. I agree that these problems were inherited from Parcells. Parcells was at the end of his coaching career. He didn't have the same energy that he did 20 years ago.
Discipline, or lack thereof
This has been said so much of Wade and I'm very tired. Tired of hearing it. Tired of listening to it from the media. Tired of reading it here on BTB. Soft Wade, camp cupcake Wade, so on and so forth. Sorry to any BTB readers that are sick of it as I am and I apologize.
NFL films had 49ers new head coach, Mike Singletary miked up last week. How he was relating to the players and making them accountable for their mistakes was refreshing to say the least. He has also made that defense solid. No nonsense football, play your heart out or get off the field. What does Wade do? In fact, how is Wade treating this weeks break? How many practices? Not enough I hear. May be Romo is going to the Bahamas? I kid, but now that I mention it, is he?
Next years coach
My nomination, Mike Nolan, current defensive coordinator for the Denver Broncos. Who's yours?
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Cowboys have to be the only team in the league
where fans are throwing in the towel for the season with a winning record, unbelievable.
You would think we were 0-5 or 1-4.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 12, 2009 8:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
people aren't surgar coating the KC win like you are...
this team has major problems from the QB to the HC so it’s logical to think coaching change…Wade is done…Unfortunaltely, I think it’’s going to be Garrett. The real question should be who would come in as the DC?
by Boyzfan94 on Oct 13, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Although I think it is really premature, I would prefer to look in to hiring Mike Pettine. He is the current defensive coordinator for the New York Jets and worked with the Ravens next to Rex Ryan before that. I think he would be a great guy and Rex Ryan swears by him.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Oct 13, 2009 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sugar coating anything
The team isn’t playing its best right now, but that doesn’t mean it won’t as the season goes on.
All teams have problems, its how you overcome them that makes you better.
but giving up on the season now is ridiculous.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 14, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do find it ironic....
that you are loving Mike Singletary, but then wanting to hire the guy that he replaced.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Oct 12, 2009 8:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hahahaha...
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Oct 12, 2009 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's being premature on Singletary
His team was far less prepared than Dallas this past Sunday. At least Wade has never gotten into an argument with a former Cowboy on the sideline or mooned his team at halftime. (I think I need a gallon of brain bleach on that last image…)
by Rafael Vela on Oct 12, 2009 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another team that has lost a little shine is the Jets, losers of two straight, but on the road.
Where is all that bluster and tough talk, I feel that the niners (and moreso) the jets have fallen into the msm overhype machine. The constant need to make a microwave analysis of how the season will unfold, it is kind of unfair to these teams, they show some promise and are working hard and bam they have some struggles and look a little vulnerable. Just to be clear I think they are both good teams; but the same thing could be coming for the broncos, but they look for real so far; but it is a long season.
I think dallas could hope for some lucky bounces and avoid injuries to take wins against teams that they may not have beaten otherwise; but I think they will be there to duke it out with everytime.
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by cowboy78 on Oct 12, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"The constant need to make a microwave analysis of how the season will unfold, it is kind of unfair to these teams"
ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!
This is damaging to EVERY team. Every team is a work in progress. We’re in the salary cap era. You’re working in new starters every year and dealing with injuries week to week. And this isn’t college, so every game is a rivalry game.
The coaches are still trying to get a handle on what they have, on both sides of the ball. They might get it right on one side, both, or none. Or get it and lose it again.
That’s fare more interesting to me at this point than anything else. If this team needs a new HC it will still need one at the end of the season. I don’t see what rushing that question does.
by Rafael Vela on Oct 12, 2009 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont think so
I just think the played a much more talented team. The Niners have beat up the weak teams. ATL is a really good young team.
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by Wmillion on Oct 13, 2009 12:05 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
You heard Singletary's post game
where he apologized for not having his team ready to play?
by Rafael Vela on Oct 13, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Far less prepared???
Dallas only beat the hapless Chiefs because of a blocked FG and because Haley didn’t choose to go for 2. Preparation usually means you don’t turn the ball over and your Defense creates havoc in the opposing backfield. Neither of those things happened on Sunday.
by JimmyJohnson on Oct 13, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have to admit the irony is really funny
And I definitely support replacing Wade. My nominee is John Gruden.
by StillHateTheGiants on Oct 14, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dom Capers
Have a feeling he could take our 3-4 over the top…
Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake. - Napoleon
by MadDawg03 on Oct 12, 2009 8:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
he sucked as a HC as well
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 12, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't he get the Panthers to the Conference Championship game?
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Oct 12, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
15 years ago, yes
doesn’t make him a great HC
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 12, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
also means that "he sucks" is a bit harsh. He is at least as good as a HC as Wade is
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Oct 13, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
which according to most everyone here means he sucks
I was being sarcastic since everyone seems to be Wade bashing lately.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 13, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate being involved in this discussion at all
but every analyst and NFL person I have heard discuss the topic have looked at Holmgren as our next head coach. One person actually believes that the Redskins and Cowboys will be fighting over him. Personally if a change is made I hope that Wade stays on a D-coordinator. He is probably the only head coach in the league with a small enough ego to take that step down with the same team.
by sduncan24 on Oct 12, 2009 9:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Okay, may be Nolans another Wade
Who then?
by torchindefenses on Oct 12, 2009 10:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
sduncan
“I hate being involved in this discussion at all”
I hear ya but enough is enough already. Teams have started to play together in synch and find their rythmn halfway through the season, look at the Redskins in recent years. So it is possible. This hasn’t been the Cowboys MO though. Bad play calling, knuckleheads committing so many penalties over and over and flat out bad plays stem from lack of discipline. Heck, I was arguing this point Wade’s first season. I bleed sliver & blue no matter who is the coach and try to have hope every game. I will continue to watch every single game and struggle with the team as it struggles to find it’s identity. As much time as we all put into this team, it’s great that we as fans can vent and have a say (at least to ourselves) about what should or should have happened.
by torchindefenses on Oct 12, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know how you can blame the Coach for all the penalties because we were tops in the league with Bill Parcells too, it isn’t Wade’s fault. I don’t know where the blame lies but it needs to be fixed, maybe start to fine players for any penalty. $1,000 per yard?
by sduncan24 on Oct 12, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you
that’s what I’ve been saying ‘til I’m blue in the face
by BishopWest on Oct 13, 2009 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Players Union...
…Doesn’t allow those types of fines.
I know it’s been said before, but It all starts with accountability. I think Flo is the only player that continues to be a repeat offender. Sure, the other players commit penalties, but they are not nearly as often.
The problem with Flo is that I think he severely regresses if you put him on the bench. Some players respond well, but I don’t think Flo would at this point in his career.
Cowboy Up!
by CowboyCrazy on Oct 13, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoever it is
I really, really, really hope they hire an OC that likes to run the ball.
by mhuff13 on Oct 12, 2009 10:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cower would be great
But I don’t think he’d like to work for JJ and I don’t blame him.
by torchindefenses on Oct 12, 2009 10:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cowher will be in
Carolina. He lives in Raleigh and retired to be closer to his family. I really doubt Fox makes it through this year. Cowher will be in Carolina next year for sure.
by sduncan24 on Oct 12, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is WAAAAAAAAAAAAY too early for this post
DAL is 3-2, with the number 1 offense in the league right now – jeez, let’s talk about the upcoming ATL game, not new coaches
by BishopWest on Oct 12, 2009 10:30 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Actually
it is 12-9 over its last 21 games and has a 44-6 beatdown on its 6 game resume.
Better too early than too late.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Oct 14, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and in 19 of those games
we had the cancerous tumor to deal which has since been removed along with major injuries.
Looking in the past has no merit, this team is very different from those teams.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 14, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You sure are Anti-Owens...
Even though he made Romo into what he is today.
~Texas Massacre '09~
by TheHeat on Oct 14, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
obviously that is not true
and who wouldn’t be anti T.O., he’s a team killer.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 14, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
While Owens may be a team-killer...
He sure made Romo a household name. If it wasn’t for Owens being the receiver that he was, you wouldn’t have “In Romo we Trust” as your sig.
Now I truly believe Romo was spoiled by having Owens explosiveness because he’s struggling to adapt to being that “bus-driver” that he should be this year. I know he’s itching to throw down the field and so is Garrett as well.
~Texas Massacre '09~
by TheHeat on Oct 14, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not he didn't, Romo earned that on his own talent
no matter who was playing at receiver. Romo should throw down field, all the great ones do.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 14, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So are you saying that Romo...
Would be a household name if he didn’t have Owens to throw those three years? Would he have had those monster numbers that he had connecting with Owens?
So far this year, without Owens, Romo has been mediocre.
~Texas Massacre '09~
by TheHeat on Oct 15, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
He earned it because of his relationship with J-Sim, his bobble of the snap in Seattle, his singing at Wrigley Field and his late-night antics.
Oh and his $67 million contract.
Woo…hoo.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Oct 15, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
only in 16 of the 21 was your whipping boy here.
I can’t wait to see who you point the finger at in 2009.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Oct 15, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is no finger pointing
for the Superbowl Champs!
Let’s Go Cowboys!!!
by sduncan24 on Oct 15, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was waiting for that one BishopWest
:o)
Want to make a wager?
by torchindefenses on Oct 12, 2009 10:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
JJ is a huge factor into any thinking in regards to a new HC.
It depends on how this season ends, if the team implodes and goes 5-11 or 6-10 JJ along with Stephen may aquiece to the big bill approach and get a HC who is regarded as a disciplinarian. But if this teams finishes 9-7 and misses the playoffs by one game with the exception of firing WP; who knows what JJ will do.
I think this fanpost should be called wishful thinking because JJ way of thinking is something we cannot predict. I think the skins being able to poach a good HC; Zorn is there because they are the raiders of the NFC. No real coach in his right mind would want to coach that team. Also we do not know which teams will be in the HC hunt next year. The titans, raiders, skins, our boys, bucs, panthers, texans could all be searching for a HC and JJ will be a factor in obtaining a good candidate.
I think our only real hope is that Stephen is able to convince JJ to take a real HC that will pick his own staff and have more (but unfortunately not complete) control over accountability; but I do not know how much to put stock into that kind of hope. I do know that with Stephen in the wings he will give this team an option when JJ starts to go into full “crazy Al” mode and it should happen before Al dies and/or Snyder sells the team (yeah right). Until then the players that work hard and are trying to lead this team are going to be in limbo; it makes me a little sad to say that.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Oct 12, 2009 10:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Exactly! Having talent like we have on this team and having them get older year after year without having the right coaching and surrounding talent is a bit heartbreaking.
by torchindefenses on Oct 12, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really think it is hard to completely evaluate the players with this coach deflecting all criticism towards the players
and himself. I think the players are in a poor condition and can only do so much; cut that does not excuse all of them. The team has players who play hard and are leaders, so I know it does not have to be a whole sale spring cleaning but it will still have quite a few more players heading out.
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by cowboy78 on Oct 12, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wishful thinking....
Precisely, There are too many variables in play.
1. Let’s start with the first assumption in any discussion: is Jerry making this hire, or are Jerry AND Stephen making this one? Stephen is getting more authority by the day. That clouds any predictions.
2. Is Dallas really looking for a HC or a DC? Lots of people wipe the floor with Garrett but he’s got the #1 offense and a rushing attack topping 160 yards a game with Felix Jones again playing part time. He’s had several interviews this year and whether he gets one in Dallas is up to him these last eleven games.
3. Who is the competition? How many jobs are available?
4. Which candidates are available? The big names are the big names but a lot of those guys looked very, very stale at the end of their last jobs, which gets me to points 1 and 5 simultaneously.
5. who is/are the hot young assistant(s) going to be. Would you rather get a fat name retread or a shot at the next Mike Tomlin? We don’t really know who the next Tomlins and McDaniels are because we’re five weeks into the season and a lot of these guys are just starting to make their marks. They won’t be red hot until the playoffs shake out.
5B. I’d rather have one of the young bloods than Walrus II, Chucky II or Lanternjaw II, for reasons stated. But here’s the problem: will the Cowboys nation tolerate it? When the Steelers won the Super Bowl there were fans and Metroplex scribes clobbering Jerry for not getting a guy like him the last time around. Never mind that none of these folks were not campaigning for Tomlin then.
I guarantee you that if Jerry did go after a Tomlin/McDaniels type, these same rippers would be screaming at the top of their lungs that Jerry only hired this guy because he has no authority and is Jerry’s next “puppet.”
These conditions are hard enough to divine in late January. You want to consider them on October 12th?
They’re all yours.
by Rafael Vela on Oct 12, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Raf do you think it is hard to fully evaluate the players on this team
because WP is too concerned with defecting criticism as opposed to holding players accountable; I know it is somewhat a contradiciton in terms because WP authority has been in quesiton since the OC was hired before the HC. Although as I type this now I hope that Brooking is able to spread his leadership and authority to get the right type of players to respond to the challenge; I think it has started to rub off on witten, I would love that to be something contagious that spreads to all the players that want to earn their keep.
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by cowboy78 on Oct 12, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what's Wade supposed to do?
I love this accountability line. First off, who needs it? You gonna bench the whole o-line? Cause Leonard Davis wasn’t the only guy taking penalties Sunday.
Should he put Flozell in stocks? Flog Andre Guorde? Or put a gun to Hudson Houck’s head and threaten to shoot if they don’t stop taking flags?
You have to apply the rules evenly or you’re a joke. And if you apply them evenly, then you have to sit four of your line. Is this really a serious option? I’m not being snarky. I see this line a lot and I don’t get it. You can replace a guy if he’s dogging it, but if you don’t have a backup you can trust are you going to risk Romo’s health just to make an example of somebody? I don’t see that as productive.
by Rafael Vela on Oct 12, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that should read Davis was the only olineman NOT taking penalties yesterday
and he’s had his share of howlers in the past.
by Rafael Vela on Oct 12, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know, there isn't much he could do, but he could work on his PC skills, he feeds the perception that
he looks lost, kind of how romo would feed the perception that he is aloof and does not care. It creates an unneccessary distraction and brings out questions that feed into the distractions. The denver game for example, they were dogging everyone on whether or not romo knew it was 4th down; the entire week that was a constant question. The team issued a statement, romo and WP were constantly fencing with the media on this issue. The orgainization should not have issued a statement, WP and romo should have just said that game was last week this week it’s about the chefs (yes that is there name). It is a small critique but it would show that they will not let the msm dictate the topics of discussion to an uncontrolled level of attention than the situation requires.
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by cowboy78 on Oct 12, 2009 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
PC means press conference, not politically correct.
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by cowboy78 on Oct 12, 2009 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have an idea...
1) Not start the news conference by praising individual players. Make it clear, publicly, that while they won, and while individual players played well, it was a piss poor collective effort that was deeply unsatisfying to him. I used to think he offered praise in public and kept his harshness for the locker room. I no longer believe that.
2) Publicly contradict Jerry in his Alan Ball acquittal. Look, the Ball penalty might have been a questionable call, but it’s not an awful call. Ball going for a kill shot in that situation is quintessentially stupid football, and Jerry is publicly saying that it wasn’t a bad play by ball.
3) Actually start Austin, don’t just give him more snaps. Look, Crayton played a bad game (mostly on ST), Austin played well. Marginal starters need to know that their jobs aren’t permanent, and if another guy is obviously better (as here), don’t play “stroke the veteran ego.”
4) Don’t say asinine things (and apparently tell the team!) “we’re 2 plays away from 5-0.” While literally true, it’s totally the wrong emphasis.
Look, I know the players “know” these things intellectually. And I’m not even sure Wade is mostly at fault for this “all is great here” attitude…it’s ultimately Jerry’s fault.
by TimSchultz36 on Oct 13, 2009 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
#2 would push him close to getting fired and would create division at the top - not good
by BishopWest on Oct 13, 2009 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WP might as well, it is not like he is going to keep his job after this year
WP is in CYA mode to make sure the he can at least catch on as a DC somewhere; I think he knows that his days as a HC are done in this league.
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by cowboy78 on Oct 13, 2009 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're just guessing that WP looses his job
That is yet to be determined – there are a lot of games yet to be played.
And presently, DAL has the easiest remaining schedule of the four NFC east teams; our chances are pretty good and hope is alive for the 2009 Cowboys.
by BishopWest on Oct 13, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, short of a NFC title game he is probably gone after this year
I do not think this team’s odds favor them that much to put it together to do that; but I am hopeful that they can be successful. But the realist in me suggests that WP is a gonner after this season.
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by cowboy78 on Oct 13, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
If the Cowboys win a playoff I say Jerry offers him another contract IF the defense plays well. If our offense is the reason we win a playoff game, Garrett is hired.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 13, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and that's exactly the problem, isn't it?
He doesn’t need to say “Jerry is wrong.” He just needs to say “That was an aggressive play by ball, in the same way that Leodis McKelvin’s fighting for extra yards on the return against the Pats was aggressive. And it was dumb, and dumb plays cost you games.”
The fact that Jerry is out there acquitting Ball is just insane.
by TimSchultz36 on Oct 13, 2009 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe he doesn't NEED to say anything
he just needs to get ready for the Atlanta game in 2 weeks
by BishopWest on Oct 13, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
It was clean hit amd more importantly aggressive, thats what I want to see out of my defensive players, guys that like to really hit people. I’ll take the stupid roughing call once in a while.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 13, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but on a 3rd and 26?
i normally love a kill shot opportunity just like da next guy, but you’ve got to be smart and know the game situation on that play.
other opps to hit opposing players will come, but making the unspectacular tackle — without giving the other team a first down late in the game — was much more important at that particular moment.
Is playing smart too much to ask?
by silverblue5 on Oct 13, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was just trying to separate the defender from the ball
I personally didn’t think there was anything wrong with the hit, the league rules are becoming too soft on the players.
Ronnie Lott made the HOF on these types of hits.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 13, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Ball was being aggressive, he wasn’t leading with his helmet. The same play happened last night, the defender was being aggressive and ended up making contact with the reciever.
It is a crappy rule because what are you supposed to do,wait and see if the defender catches the ball and then decide to hit him? I get the point of protecting recievers but some of these rules suck.
by Billito on Oct 13, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there are signs, actual signs, on several NFL organizational walls
they read, “the minute you start thinking like a fan, you become one.”
This team lives in a media zoo. They’re going to get dogged no matter what they do. I’ve pointed out the damned no matter they do confines of choosing a new coach upthread.
They’re refusing to play the media game the way the media wants it played.
SO WHAT? Wade Phillips talks to the press because he has to and it shows.
How do PCs affect the game on the field? How?
by Rafael Vela on Oct 13, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay that is a fair point, if they try to overcorrect they play into the msm hands.
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by cowboy78 on Oct 13, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is an ongoing thesis of yours that I'm not sure is true, Raf
“Wade refuses to play the media game.” True. Parcells refused to play the media game. Also true. You’re one persuasive dude, and I once thought that Wade was just going through the motions in public with his sunny evaluations and refusal to admit problems, while he was privately fixing those easily observed problems. Now, though, I can’t find any evidence in the team’s actual play that he’s doing that. It’s not all his fault…Jerry is certainly an enabler. But I wonder: was anyone on the coaching staff ripping Ball at any point for his hare brained play? Privately? I think the answer is no.
by TimSchultz36 on Oct 13, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Raf is abolsutely correct
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 13, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Defecting Criticism
The way I see it, Wade publicly takes the blame for a lot of the team’s mistakes, especially the defense. I don’t see that as defecting criticism, I see it as protecting his players. What would be gained by him throwing players under the bus in a press conference? He might not just lose that player, he could lose the whole team.
I will agree that Coach Phillips doesn’t make Chucky faces on the sideline like Gruden, and he might not spit like Cower, but that doesn’t mean that he’s not a good coach or that he isn’t a good leader. Probably the only people who really are in a position to gauge his leadership ability are his staff, the players, and the Jones family. It really don’t matter what any of the rest of us think
by geth13 on Oct 13, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is what matters
Were Wade on the open market as a coach next year—even assuming he was 4 years younger—would ANY team hire him as their head coach after seeing his time in Dallas? Emphatically no. No, no, no.
So, if a coach would not be good enough for any other NFL team, why is he good enough for the Cowboys? I’m not advocating his mid-season firing, but call me crazy: the Cowboys have the resources to hire the kind of coach that many other teams would want. We don’t have such a coach. Such a coach is not a sufficient condition for success (we didn’t win playoff games with Parcells), but it is a necessary condition.
I think Wade can be a good DC for a HC/GM combo who instill discipline from top to bottom (like Schottenheimer, or…um, the Dolphins.) But he wouldn’t even be a good DC for Dallas unless Dallas had a very strong, discipline instilling HC. As it is, we now have a soft HC AND a soft DC.
by TimSchultz36 on Oct 13, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are right and wrong
I guarantee you that if Jerry did go after a Tomlin/McDaniels type, these same rippers would be screaming at the top of their lungs that Jerry only hired this guy because he has no authority and is Jerry’s next "puppet."
That’s one of the bad things about Jerry. We can’t get a hot young assistant because Jerry WILL make him a puppet. You mention Pittsburgh and Denver’s hirings. But those organizations have never hired a Head Coach to be a mere puppet for the owner. Jerry has done that repeatedly – with everybody but Jimmy and Parcells.
by JimmyJohnson on Oct 13, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
money comment
Is playing smart too much to ask?
by silverblue5 on Oct 13, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Titans are searching
I want Fisher
by Kansas Cowboy on Oct 13, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This team was saved by Ratliff yesterday.
If it wasn’t for the blocked field goal, Dallas would have lost to the worst team other than the Raiders, in the NFL. A team that was 0-4. I hear ya that it’s way too early, but really? Is it really? Come on, you REALLY think this team is going to start clicking on all cylinders at the same time and stop making the game losing mistakes? I watch every game, read this blog every day all year long and Wade is a good DC but he just doesn’t have player accountability down. A lot of us have been saying this since after the first year. Yeah, 13-3 was fun but reality took a big bite.
That said, it’s not ALL Wade’s fault. Romo has been, well, not very good. He was better Sunday. There are some average players that haven’t lived up to their potential. He still needs a Safety that can play. The corners are still green except Newman. The WR’s are not able to get open, especially against good press defenses. May be Austin can help with this. I think he can but he won’t be facing another secondary as bad as the Chiefs.
by torchindefenses on Oct 12, 2009 10:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
thats pretty big if...
there was a long way to go after the blocked fg. The whole fourth is different if they make it.
We’ve now blocked 2 fgs this year and have come close a couple more times. SHouldn’t some credit go to the special teams? This is not a negative. We ahve better special teams than a few teams, and it shows. Last year we had worse special teams, and they may’ve lost us a game or two.
The talent difference in this league is small. We gave a bad team a 10 point head start becuase of stupid mistakes at home. WE pretty much blew them out after that. We really didn’t play as poorly aspeople say after those two turnovers. The cowboys team that played yesterday was the same on that beat the panthers in the fourth and barely lost to the giants and broncos. We really didn’t play too much worse.
by foyesboys on Oct 13, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it is definately too early for this discussion
However, Nolan would not make a good HC. He has proved before that he cant handle it, why would it work here? Nolan deserved his first Head Coaching job because he is a very good co-ordinator. However his time in San Fran proved that he isnt a competent HCing candidate. Dont become enamoured with a good co-ordinator, at least lobby for a good HC. If we hired Nolan, we would have the same situation we are in now, in that we have a co-ordinator for a HC.
The Knights season may have just ended, but the Cowboys year is just begining!
by aussie_cowboy on Oct 12, 2009 11:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Did Belichick prove that he could not be head coach when he flamed out with the Browns?
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Oct 13, 2009 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He would be the exception rather than the norm.
The Knights season may have just ended, but the Cowboys year is just begining!
by aussie_cowboy on Oct 13, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sean Peyton!!!!
Or Sporano. It won’t happen either way, but it would be nice.
In Romo we might Trust!
by rocj55 on Oct 12, 2009 11:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL at both of these names
I can find you dozens of comments on my old site from Cowboys fans saying, “I’ll help that guy pack” and “he can’t leave fast enough for me” on BOTH these guys.
by Rafael Vela on Oct 12, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the question was posed, those were my thoughts only
In Romo we might Trust!
by rocj55 on Oct 12, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but that is like saying we should trade for player X, knowing that the other team will not make the trade
and the reponse is, well that is there problem. Who would you really want that we could actually have next year?
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Oct 12, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watch the replies to this one...
JEFF FISHER!!!
Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake. - Napoleon
by MadDawg03 on Oct 13, 2009 12:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cant rule that one out, they will probably go 0-6, because the pats are not about to go 3-3 to the titans.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Oct 13, 2009 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldnt mind Jeff Fisher....
I believe in staying in one place too long and I think the time is near for Fisher…
by Boyzfan94 on Oct 13, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cower and 2 years...
TTD, the problems we have, and contrary to popular belief, it is not Tony Romo, is that our weak-kneed coach does NOT hold the line against the palys of his players…C’mon, lets be fair, and give WP this to his credit: What exactly should he do?…better yet, What exactly would JJ allow him to do?…Option #1 Stick his foot up Romo(or whoever is doing the damage) ass so far they would be coughing shoe leather?..Option #2 Bench a franchise QB(WR, TE,CB) for screwing up? yeah ri9ght, like we have so many premier back-ups on our roster…Option #3…Fines? whats a $1000 to a man who makes $2 million a game?..Perhaps a combination of the 3 or a possible 2 of the 3…C’mon dawg, represent here, dont just talk about it…Nobody was calling for Wades job when we were 5-0 in ‘07 were they?…And I dont buy that BS that it was Parcells team…Look at the change in ONE season from the 5-11 Broncos to the 5-0 Broncos this year…Each team goes thru a slight transition when there is a coach change, and even Bellychick didnt go to the SB his first 5 seasons in NE, or Dungy in TB, or Indy…Heres my personal opinion, and you can take it or leave it…Going thru coach changes year, after year after year, is certainly not the answer…Weve tried that, and even with a genius like Parcells we still didnt see much difference…Lets give Wade a chance, and see if he improves, or if he continues to get worse year in and year out…Surely you can give him the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the disaster that we had in big D last year…Wade had very, very little to say or do about that…and when youve got a boss to please like JJ whos about as stable as a goose with the runs, man your not going to tell me, that many, if ANY coach could do any better than Wade did last year….Couple that together with the fact that we had all those frigging injuries to our starters…I know, I know, your going to tell me that great teams would find a way to fight thru those injuries…But you cannot tell me that they would have done any better than we did(i.e. The Steelers loosing Palamalu, Rothberger, and Holmes all at the same time?)…Look what happened to the Eagles when they lost McNabb, and the ass-whipping they took from a very good NO Saints team…Yeah, great teams struggle with the loss of their starters, and HC have to do the best they can with what they have…Now, I would like to answer the guy at DMN Jean Jaques Taylor, and his suggestion that we always “find new and creative ways to lose”.. Im sure that Romo, and the Cowboys DIDNOT go out and script that fallacy that happened at our home opener…It is my personal opinion that God wanted to humble JJ for all of the opulence and the pride he showed with the new Stadium..JMO there…Ive watched the 5 games now that the Cowboys have played and here is my take on it…Weve played our hearts out, and it just doesnt seem to be our day to shine when it comes to the big game…Weve got to find something in our guts, that is missing, where we can finish a game with the same dominance, and affirmativeness as the ’90’s Cowboys did…Was it Jimmy Johnson that was motivating them?..~shrugs~ we will never know, but a case can be made that even under Switzer the Cowboys made it to the SB and won…Since then we have had 5 or 6 coaches some good, some great, and some worthless, but we as fans have always bled blue and silver, and we have always been on a positive spin about our Cowboys…So from my point of view, and a lot of Cowboys fans, we are 3-2, and we have been beaten by 2 very, very good teams so we cant judge ourselves to harshly, because if the ball had been one bounce shy of this or that we would have won that game in Cowboys Stadium against the Gnats, and if Felix Jones had been a running threat in Denver, I believe we could have pulled that one out up there…But woulda, coulda, shoulda, dont always equal wins, and we didnt and it wasnt to be, but Ill go 12 rounds with any one who says we didnt fight to the very last second in both of those losses…It just didnt fall our way…But as to your question of who would I like to see come in next year(cause we all know this is Wades last year), I think either Jon Gruden would be a real bitch to have as a HC, or if not him I would pull for Bill Cower, and we know how he is(recall the face to face-mask encounter with Polamalu)…Shanahan, Holmgren, are dinosaurs who dont need to be coaching any longer…They dont have the moxy, or the charisma to be in control of a team any longer…Joe Gibbs showed us that when he went back to the Skins…But if you honestly want my opinion, demote Jason garrett back to an Assistant OC, and not a OC, and give Wade the Time to really put this defense monster we have together…either as HC or DC…I believe he has the balls to stay with a team like Dallas who he knows well enough now to give all his time and talent to, to make us the winners we know we are…George Halas always said that great teams arent always completely successful, but they are great teams because they are successful ENOUGH…we are 3-2, is that enough???…we shall see, my fellow Cowboy fan we shall see…FEAR THE STAR
by Hawgz, Bugz, and FilthyFowl Hater on Oct 13, 2009 6:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
dividing that post into 2 or 3 paragraph's would certainly make for an easier read
by BishopWest on Oct 13, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LMAO!!!
Is playing smart too much to ask?
by silverblue5 on Oct 13, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see that kind of post and just scroll past it...
My ADD won’t let me read it.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Oct 13, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This discussion is moot...
We need a strong willed coach who can instill some discipline in this group. But we will not get one while Jerry is GM.
by HutHut on Oct 13, 2009 9:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
we already had that with Bill Parcells
that is not the answer
by BishopWest on Oct 13, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are more ways of doing this than the Parcells way...
Personally I thought at the time that Parcells was past his prime when he came in and I never expected much from him.
I think this team needs a disciplinarian who can also relate to the players. Gruden was good at this at one time and Josh McDaniels looks great at it in the early going.
If it doesn’t work out I hope that Jerry goes with someone new rather than dredging up a big name coach form the past.
The 2009 Dallas Cowboys: Talk to me in December.
The NFC East has won 11 Super Bowls; oddly none of those have come courtesy of the Eagles.
by gee-roj on Oct 13, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In fairness...
Tuna upgraded the talent on this team immensely.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Oct 13, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry is the cock block on this. No doubt.
I’m a bit surprized that Parcells was willing to put up with it for so long.
by rotovibe on Oct 13, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DMN
Tourch, with the way you are looking at this team, specifically at Coach Phillips, you would qualify for a writer’s position at the Dallas Morning News. Maybe even go over to the Star Telegram and work with Galloway & the little ball of hate.
Seriously, our society has dramatically changed given the advent of the Internet & the cutthroat competition in the media. NFL fans demand perfection, and by God we want it right now. Otherwise, someone has to be fired.
Here is my nomination for the head coaching position for the Dallas Cowboys next year: Wade Phillips.
by geth13 on Oct 13, 2009 9:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We gave him three years, that's hardly "right now"
by Joon on Oct 13, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And "right now"
the man’s regular season record is 25-12. That translates into a winning percentage of 69% or 10.88 wins per year. What coach do you know of who was fired for winning almost 70% of his games? The problem is that the Cowboys haven’t won a playoff game in 13 years. Wade only coached two of those years. Yet everyone is laying the “win a playoff game or else” ultimatum at Wade’s feet. There is something terrribly wrong with that logic.
by jevans1729 on Oct 13, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Since wehn do Dallas fans use regular season as a success measure?
Why have you become so tolerant of playoff failure?
Every coach is saddled with continually making his team better prepared, more in tune with the “system” and decreasing mental errors so the talent can shine.
Phillips has not done that, as evidenced by the 4 off sides flags in 7 plays by all different players.
Fire Winnie now.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Oct 13, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that would be "when" not "wehn" although phoenetically, we're good.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Oct 13, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not
tolerant of any type of failure. I just believe that if your team has not won a playoff game for 11 years, that success will probably not be immediate. Ask yourself has Wade really had an opportunity to bring in HIS type of players. You spoke of the offensive line and penalties. How many of those players can you call a "Wade"guy? None, that’s how many. Those same players were making the same mistakes when Parcells was HC. So how does another coach make a difference? Isn’t that what Houck was brought in to clean up? I’m not saying Wade should stay or go. I am saying that his record is what it is and it is not the record of a losing coach. Like it or not the Cowboys are not ENTITLED to win.
by jevans1729 on Oct 14, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Answers
Yes, Wade has had enough time, but remember, I am talking about the time needed to coach the players up and reduce the mental stupidity. He has had too much time, in my opinion.
As for the O-line, are you saying every new coach should be given the opportunity to totally remake the roster into their own likeness? If so, I have enough crazy to contend with on this blog in the form of the “Romo is our savior” contingent (come on, you know who I mean)…
Lastly, it is not about entitlement and I’m not sure where that is comig from, but regardless, here is the point: THE TEAM ISN’T GETTING SMARTER. Forget about winning super bowls or being more talented or getting more turnovers. I am simply talking about players who have been in the same systems on offense and defense for long enough not to be making the same mental mistakes. They are not any more disciplined, smarter or better in terms of execution.
That’s the point.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Oct 14, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
coaches can't reduce mental stupidity
thats crazy
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 14, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's like saying teachers cant help kids develop their minds
I feel sorry for you.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Oct 14, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol, you're funny
comparing pro athletes who are adults with kids. Actually, I feel sorry for you.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 14, 2009 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You obviously haven't interacted with pro athletes
…but regardless, you blame the players. I get it. we’ve had this argument before and I feel like you’re okay blaming players for mistakes unless it is Romo. In those cases, you try and blame OTHER players.
Regardless, our positions on this subject are pretty well understood, wouldn’t you agree?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Oct 15, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Wade should
be measured on the intelligence of the team and not the overall body of work of wins and losses? Do we want wins or PHDs? Let’s be honest. If Wade had beat the Giants in 07 we wouldn’t be even discussing this. But he didn’t and here we are.
As for where entitlement comes from, the Cowboys are the only franchise in sports where the coach can have a winning percentage of almost 70% and people (read that as some fans) discuss firing the coach mid-season no less!! Steinbrenner and the Yankees don’t even do that. The man is 3-2 as we speak and look at the discussion we’re having. “If we’re not 5-0 fire the coach.” If that is not entitlement on some fans part I don’t know what you would call it.
As for the O-line being “coached up” everyone of those guys is over thirty years old and have been playing in the NFL for a number of years. You really can’t “coach up” the snap count. The only one of those guys with half an excuse is Flo because he is deaf in one ear.
by jevans1729 on Oct 14, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wade should be measured by the performance of the organization he leads
I’m not sure why you need to add layers of complexity to it.
And we’ve beat the 3-2 thing to a pulp, haven’t we?
Some people (many of whom said we’d be 5-0 at this point in an off season thread) like that we’re 3-2 and other people aren’t satisfied with that or the way the team is performing. Some think Wade can suddenly become the leader this team needs and some think otherwise.
I think we both know which side you’re on and which one I am on.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Oct 15, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please. . .
Ball was aggressive. He hit the guy in the chest and because the players all have facemasks that could cover the front of an F150 the dude’s head popped back. That was a play that was penalized correctly, but it wasn’t a stupid or dirty play. Jerry and Wade should come out on Ball’s side.
As for Wade, he’s had his full three year contract to prove himself (he should have been gone last year). There is a difference between being a player’s coach and not calling it like you see it. Regardless of what kind of work you do, people respect someone who shoots strait. If I screw up at my job, I expect to get an honest assessment from my boss. You don’t see that from Wade. He sugar coats everything, even when its blatently obvious that there is a problem. Players can’t and won’t respect that type of approach to leadership. Anything less than a playoff win is unacceptable and gives Jerry the window he needs to bring in a new coach.
My guess is that they won’t make the playoffs because this team is soft, has no visible leaders and makes too many stupid and costly penalties and bonehead plays (the Ball play not being a stupid play but a costly one). I wouldn’t want Jerry and his little tick turd to seriously consider the field of candidates until it is apparant that our season is indeed over.
"It takes a big man to cry, but it takes an even bigger man to laugh at that man."
by Waterloo Joe on Oct 13, 2009 9:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry for the rant BW...
But as you read it dont it make sense. A Good coach, doesnt necessarily solve the problems of a team. That has to be solved in an intra-squad mindset…Romo cant fix all the problems either. Nothing has changed except for the slight personnel change(that other WR we had). That does not make for a worse team, if everyone on the cowboys team is of the same mindset, focus, and goal. I would give anything(as i bet JJ would) to have the second half speech that Tom Coughlin gave to the Giants in ’07…They went from a team on the verge of collapse, to the elite team of the NFL…There was no coach or QB change, but merely a mindset, a refocusing of goals, and a “never say die” attitude…Can Wade Phillips do the same thing for the Cowboys?…How in hell will we ever know unless JJ gives them sometime to develop players into what they can become…For instance, in the draft we got some real “attack the ball” personell…They are green, and they know it..but if we keep changing Coaches every other year, how in the Hell can we expect them to evolve into D-Ware or ratliff status?…No Torch, we dont need another HC or different HC we need a group of guys(Cowboys) who want the same thing as every other Cowboy want…Yeah, your gonna have your malcontents who can never be placated(Ellis, Canty), and your ball hogs and cancers(Pac-Turd and that other WR), but all in all, once they are eliminated, the team then has the ability to gel, if it wants to…And why would any Cowboy worth his salt not want to be like the Cowboy teams of the 70s, and 90s…What Im trying to say is that in 26 years as HC of the Cowboys, Tom Landry took us 5 times, which means statistically he took us to the SB every 5.25 years…Who the Hell has Dallas ever had as HC that even stayed 5 years since then?…I dont think even Jimmy Johnson was here much longer than 5 years…But realistically speaking, coaches like Johnson, and Bellylick only come along in numbers of one…Torch is just like every other “band wagon fan” calling for Wade Phillips head…Cmon, dawg, if you want to represent the Cowboys, dont diss the Coach…And in closing let me say this…What other defense of anyother team spends as much time on the field as the Cowboys do?…I wish i could get a stat percent on that, cause in my opinion, no team can expect their defense to be on the field as long as Dallas defense does, and do any better…No, our offense has to put up points and when they do not, then the Defense has to work twice as hard…The final series against the Chiefs, in OT Dallas defense held the Chiefs to a net gain of 3 yds on 5 downs…That is pretty damn good in any books…and that was after Dallas defense had just stopped them on a previous 3 and out drive…Wade Phillips is only one human among many out there who is trying everything he can to eliminate all the mistakes of this team…that is what any Good coach does…And i do believe he is a good coach…The only thing lacking is about 2 feet of his foot sting out of Romos ass everytime he plays like he did against the Broncos, and the Giants…simple as that…Jones needs to let the Coaches do what they do best…Coach…FEAR THE STAR
by Hawgz, Bugz, and FilthyFowl Hater on Oct 13, 2009 9:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Mike Shanahan is my candidate.
2009 Dallas Cowboys: 10-6
2009 New York Jets: 11-5
by Grady90 on Oct 13, 2009 11:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I Don't Think
He’s a good fit for this roster. I think he’s also past his prime. And there’s the fact that no Super Bowl winning coach has ever gone to another team and won another Super Bowl. My vote would be to clean house on this coaching staff and start over with a young up-and-coming coach, assuming we don’t show serious improvement by the end of the season.
by kindablue on Oct 13, 2009 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we're in the search for a new coach
I want a spirited young’un.
by Joon on Oct 14, 2009 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's the players guys. Sorry.
The common denominator throughout our recent dilemmas is some of the players.
We have some players who don’t have “it”.
Extremely weak links in our chain.
Like I said, you can over coach someone till you’re blue in the face. But they have to execute at the end of the day.
by rotovibe on Oct 13, 2009 12:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Coaching
rotovibe, you obviously have some coaching background albeit maybe not on the NFL level, so let me ask you this: How can a coach make players perform without making mistakes?
I agree with you in that execution of plays & playing without mistakes is on the players. The coach does not have a magic wand that they can just waive around someone one’s head to make mistakes go away. They can teach technique & they can point out mistakes in the film room, but at the end of the day it is on the players to perform.
I think some people in the Dallas media, & many people on this blog, want to throw out the word accountability then blame Coach Phillips for not holding the players accountable. Just exactly how do you do that? You can’t fine someone for dropping a pass or jumping off sides, so what do you do. I know many people will think that you pull Flozell out of the game because he is deaf in one ear & has problems hearing the signals but how does that help the team? If the coaching staff believed Free was better than Flo, Free would be playing now. So do you insert an inferior player into the game just so you can tell the media & fans you are holding players accountable? I don’t think so. A player might could do something so egregious that holding them out of a game would be a good decision, but making player mistakes are not that.
I will agree that Coach Phillips does not have the charisma that Coach Parcells had & he is not nearly as entertaining as Parcells was in press conferences. I will also agree that Coach Phillips isn’t as animated as a Bill Cower or John Gruden on the sidelines but animation, or the lack thereof, is not evidence of the absence of leadership. Sometimes I think people desire the Cowboys coach to be a sarcastic, face making, spitting, cussing person on the sideline or else he is not a “leader”.
I’m not saying that Parcells, Gruden, Cower et al are bad coaches or bad leaders. I’m just saying they all have different personalities & Coach Phillips does too. None of that “makes” you a leader.
I don’t know if Coach Phillips will be with the Cowboys or not next year, but I would just like for someone to explain to me exactly how any new coach is going to eliminate mistakes & create perfect execution?
by geth13 on Oct 13, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All very good points.
I think it boils down to two main factors.
1) The players are being paid (a rediculous amount) to be athletes.
That factor is the biggest difference with any other level of football. As a coach, you have to have unconditional authority when you run your team. It’s more a psychological component that helps these players be accountable to someone or something. In lower levels of play – you don’t have this dilemma. Players work hard to play and be part of a team. When you deal with contractual constraints and organizational commitments to agents and their players, you will compromise a certain amount of control.
One of the most humbling and profound indicators of this kind of dilemma goes back to when BParcells was here for his first year. As much of an authoritarian that BParcells was/is, there were times when you can tell that his ideals – about running a team – were getting compromized. He was once quoted addressing Flozell’s knee condition and his availability. Parcells responded by saying “He’s a big man. I don’t know how to read these big guys.”. This is Parcells talking! If Parcells felt the same freedom to run this team like JJohnson did – Flozell would be treated and addressed in a much different way. And there are a few other examples from over the years.
When you have to deal with player entitlements that the organization (Jerry) is passively endorsing, you will have to make compromises. And sometimes those compromises are quality of play and diminished expectations from the players that Jerry invests in.
2) Jerry Jones doesn’t appear to allow a coach complete control to run the team.
Last time we had that was with JJohnson. Then Jerry got penis envy. I think any of the coaches you mentioned would be great coaches and can discipline the team. But to what extent? Will he have complete authority to punish and reward player performance? There is no fear in a Jerry Jones team. It is a picture of a disfunctional family where a child is divided between ownership and the coaching staff as to who has the final say.
The only way we can salvage this team is with individual accountability and an internal voice from one (or many) of the team leaders. They have to make each other accountable. Screw your contract status, what you feel you’re entitled to and strap it up and bang. Watch you film till you have dreams about it. Strap a friggin football to your hands with duct tape and recite a do-not-fumble mantra. Whatever it takes!
As long as Jerry is owner – as much as he has done positively for this franchise – we will not have a solid solution to this problem with player accountability. Hopefully he will learn one day that he is hurting this team more than helping. This is becoming more like a business than a football team. All you guys that have watched the Cowboys for decades probably have noticed the shift.
We are a marketable enterprise that so happens to play football on Sundays. I hope Jerry changes this.
by rotovibe on Oct 13, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Parcells was a Taskmaster, which is code for A$$
The bigger problem was, the game had passed him by. Playing the field position/TOP game to wear another team down ended in this modern, pass happy NFL. By the end, the players had clearly tuned him out.
We went 180’ against that with ‘The Players Coach’ WP. The problem is he is so conflict averse, he has no effect in terms of correcting poor performance. Part of this is he is the most neutered coach in NFL History. Hell, even Al Davis protects his soon-to-be-arrested HC. JJ, with all his ‘personnel management’ practically sets the lineups. SUN he even stated he couldn’t ‘coach’ Ball out of his Personal Foul inducing hit. Add to that, WP doesn’t coach the offense and has little, if any input to offensive strategy. By giving him the additional duties of DC, JJ effectively ensures Wade stays out of the O completely.
But WP for his part, isn’t helping himself. He’s not assertive enough to defend his own turf, and appears completely lacking to challenge individual performance/performers. So either the team self-polices or the assistants manage it. But it lacks authority because no one is truly in charge.
For all the criticism that the team was a collection of parts last year, while we appear to have corrected it on the player side, but left it completely dysfunctional on the coaching level. JJ wears this. He put it together this way, deliberately.
I agree there is a lot of impatience among fans, but believe it is due to the sense this team has a window that has been open for a while and may begin to close soon. And we haven’t taken advantage of it.. Lastly, I don’t get the relentless criticism of Garrett. Had 1 great year, one less great (an over-rated TO a huge factor) and a solid start this yer. Admittedly he is not perfect, but get rid of him? Seems extreme.
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by tdships on Oct 13, 2009 12:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
this is an astonishingly good post, td
Parcells is now too old to be an effective game day coach and too cranky to “wear well”…he’s the Larry Brown of football coaches. A guaranteed turnaround followed by a burned out organization by Year 3. He’s much better able to use his mix of gifts in the front office, and there are few execs I’d rather have than him.
Such great comments on Wade and Garrett. Notice: most of the assistants who left here have gone on to better things with other teams (Haley and Zimmer as coordinators, Payton and Sparano as HC’s) You watch: if Garrett leaves to be someone else’s HC, he’ll be as good as Payton or Sparano. There might be P.R. problems with making Garrett HC, and it would be hard for him to really come in and lay down the law. Most of his offense’s limitations are in personnel. Some of that is self-inflicted (Brad Johnson), but most of it is offensive players who are thought to be good because they are well paid. Our O-Line just gets crushed by athletic front sevens, and we have receivers without elite separation ability. Garrett can’t scheme away those limitations.
by TimSchultz36 on Oct 13, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its true that I want a new coach
I don’t dislike Wade but I do think their are better candidates, do I think Garrett is the best candidate, no, but even w/ Garrett I think he will hold the players more accountable as well as not sugar-coat everything. Also I think Jerry likes him enough to give him enough control to do what he needs to do to make sure that players know that there will be consequences for screwing up. Player-wise I think if we could find a playmaking safety our defense would go from good to nearly great alone, we don’t need Ed Reed, even w/ a Brian Dawkins type, very smart and instinctive, it would help our prevent defense as well our regular defense immensely
"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards
by nicholas.rodriguez on Oct 13, 2009 1:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I really like what Randy Shannon has done
at the U. From what I can tell, he’s taken a very young, undisciplined team and made them disciplined. That is exactly what I want for the next Dallas Cowboys head coach. He’s got NFL experience, so he should know what it will take to coach at the next level. Plus, we’ve had some success with players and coaches from the U.
Obviously I hope that Wade can keep his job because of some post-season success or Garrett earns the head coaching gig, but right now I’m not happy with either of them. I want to like them both, because I think schematically they are doing a great job, but the mental errors make me so angry. So many penalties, so many mistakes. We cannot win on a regular basis playing like that, especially not against teams like the Eagles and Giants.
by DoomsdayD75 on Oct 13, 2009 2:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
As much as I didn't really agree at first...
The last time Dallas hired the coach of the University of Miami to be their football coach, I seem to remember that working well.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Oct 13, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Opinion
I feel it is all but a given that Wade is gone after this season. Like said above, by making him the DC, it basically removes Wades status as the head coach, as people know it is Jerry who is running the show, and who is in Garretts ear telling him he is going to be the next HC. I feel it is only a matter of time this season, especially if the running game keeps it up and these defensive breakdowns keep costing us close games, that Jerry will have the justification to fire Wade, promote Garrett to HC, and see what he has as a HC. This honestly, could work out one of two ways. Either it is a wake up call to the team that stuff needs to change(Garrett could do this by potentially benching a struggling player coughFlocough), and it inspires the players to play like an actual disciplined team, or it could be complete disaster, the defense falling off, and Garrett being run out of town by the end of the season.
Assuming the latter is more likely to happen, a few names I see getting thrown around are the high profile canadates(Holmgren, Shanahan, Gruden, Cowher), some potential recycles(Nolan, Capers), high profile, young coordinators(McDermontt or whatever from Philly I see leading the charge here, but at this point, it is anyones guess), typical college coaches(Pete Carroll and Bob Stoops for example), but the person who would make the most sense right now, and who I think Jerry has his beady little eyes on:
Jeff Fisher.
It just makes too much sense at this point. The Titans are off to a horrible start, despite them being expected to be good. I do see this team rebounding slightly, ending around 7-9 or so, thus giving Jerry some justification to the media. I personally would love for this to happen, so perhaps I’m looking a little idealistic here, but I think Fisher in Dallas would just work out for the best. Jeff seems like the guy who could rally the troops far better than Wade ever could, and someone who could actually get along well enough with Jerry to succeed. Is it a long term answer? No, not at all. But in the “Win Now, or Else” attitude of today’s NFL, it would make the most sense.
Now, watch Jerry not to this and try to give Norv another shot at running the show…
by Zach22 on Oct 13, 2009 3:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
plus
and i forgot to mention this huge detail in regards to Fisher. He has such a high influence within the league and how it is ran, that Jerry would absolutely LOVE to have that kind of power within the league. If anything we know about Jerry Jones it is that he is power hungry. This has both led him to much success as well as causing him(and his team) many problems. The marriage between Jeff Fisher and Jerry Jones is one that makes so much sense within the NFL, I would be more surprised if, assuming the opportunity presents itself, it didn’t happen.
by Zach22 on Oct 13, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's hope for a new coach, not a has been or a coach who has already shown they can't get the job done
So, Nolan’s out. Cower is out. Gruden is out. Shanahan, may be. But Norv? Definately not!
by torchindefenses on Oct 13, 2009 3:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not really sure a new HC would really help
I mean how can a coach really prevent turnovers and penalties?? Even if a coach has his players fully prepared and in the best position to win the game and has them in the best schemes, players commit turnovers and penalties regardless.
Great players make coaches look good and bad players make coaches look bad. Did you ever notice when a coaching change is made by a team, there is also a good turnover of personnel as well. Its because the new coach knows he needs his type of players to be successful.
If Jerry brings in another coach next year, that coach will have to make some significant personnel changes and I don’t see that happening with a lot of players already locked into long term contracts.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 13, 2009 5:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dallas has great players (maybe not at QB?)
Winnie is accountable for their play on the field.
It is what it is.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Oct 13, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the qb is the greatest
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 14, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've come to know that even you don't believe that
…and that you say such things for shock value. It no longer has that. Now, it is more about you staying true to your blog personna….yawn.
I think, deep down, you know what has to be done. Don’t worry, it will be our little secret.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Oct 14, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I definitely believe Romo is the best player on the team
seriously….and I definitely know whats need to be done, the team needs to start playing better and I think they will.
BTW, I’m still waiting for my beer.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 14, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because Romo has thrown downfield more than last year and Witten is having a banner year?
That was the bet, in case you forgot.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Oct 14, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not it wasn't
the bet was that we wouldn’t miss T.O. because we have enough receivers to make up for his production and we will still be able to stretch the field.
Blame Austin, he cost you the bet.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 14, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In one game against a winless team?
Really, Terry.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Oct 15, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better than Ware?
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Oct 14, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't you think a sloppy team is a reflection on preparedness?
Yes, mistakes do happen. Players are human. How does a teacher correct mistakes in school? You can tell a good teacher usually by the effort and grades the classmates put forth.
Wade does not do anything when a player makes a mistake on the field. I think it’s the wrong approach. Yeah, the player feels terrible anyway but if the head coach acknowledges the mistake right away to the player, then comes back a bit later and tells them to step it up and clear his head and just play the game, it’s a confidence builder. Wade doesn’t do that and if he has, he doesn’t do it much from what I see miles away on TV.
by torchindefenses on Oct 13, 2009 5:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm shocked that 5Blings isn't up for the head coach position.
I’m confident that he knows more about professional football than most coaches….
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Oct 13, 2009 5:32 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I'm like Jimmy
I wouldn’t work for Jerry because I run my organization much differently than Jerry is comfortable with.
No one can hire my lieutenants. I do that.
No one issues a gag order so I can’t talk to the press. That’s MY role.
I’m accountable for everything that happens on the field to my boss and my stakeholders.
Period. End of story.
Appreciate the love though, brother.
:-)
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Oct 13, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The case for a new guy now...
Here is the problem as I see it.
This team just struggled mightily to beat a winless, hapless team. It made (as it has for some time) horrible mental errors at critical points in the game and required uncommon heroics from Ratliff and Austin to pull out a win.
That is bad.
It’s bad because we’ll likely see the players and coaches extolling the virtues of “a win is a win” and “it was ugly but we’ll take it” and this is nothing more than a continuation of the laissez faire approach to the game that has been this team’s trademark under Winnie the fat, gooey, lazy, undisciplined players’ coach.
This team has no “alpha male” on the sideline to HELP these young players (especially Romo) develop and grow and teach them what it means to put team first, make sacrifices and approach the game with a dedication that is synonymous with the word, “professional”.
Now the tough part: IF YOU FIRE WADE, you are stuck with Reggie Herring as your likely DC and have to elevate Jason Garrett. That’s a definite downgrade on the defensive side of the ball. But IF YOU DON’T FIRE WADE, you’re stuck looking at Jason Garrett leaving (many see this as a good thing) at the end of the season while Jerry’s plan to groom him for a bigger role goes by the wayside or choosing him over a ShanahanCowherHolmgrenGrudenWhoever. They need to see what they have in RHG because they may not get another chance…and haven’t we lost enough of our coaches to the rest of the NFL?
In any logical mapping of potential outcomes, the right thing to do is have Wade exit stage left NOW since this team is NOT a contender and live to fight another day when we host the Super Bowl next year.
Sadly, it won’t happen.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Oct 13, 2009 7:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jerry could always let Wade be the DC
- - If Dallas retains a top 5 or top 10 offense through the year, Garrett will be a hot HC candidate in the off-season. He’s either promoted to HC, or he’ll leave. I think it’s that simple.
- - Money is no object, if Jerry feels strongly about keeping Wade, he could pay him the same or more to accept the demotion, or reassignment.
- - Would Wade ever get another crack at HC? Probably not in the NFL, maybe college though. The best he can hope for is DC if he stays in the NFL, and there’s not a better place than Dallas if he would go that route. He’s got his system installed, his defensive staff in place, the players like him, and he’s got 2 draft classes plus his FA’s already on board.
- - So, even though some people might think there’s no way he’d accept a “demotion”, I think it’s highly possible he’d be fine with it. Same money, not having to deal with the press, less pressure than being the HC, and getting to focus exclusively on what he loves.
I believe that Garrett really wants the Dallas HC job, and he was promised the job back when he was up for 2 other HC coaching positions in 2008. Otherwise, why wouldn’t he have left then. Wade must be aware of the situation, so it follows that he also might have an agreement with Jerry to remain as DC if and when Garrett is promoted.
3-2 headed for the bye week.
by APerfectStar on Oct 13, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blah, stupid number sign
3-2 headed for the bye week.
by APerfectStar on Oct 13, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Winnie would take a demotion
It’s unprecedented and let’s face it, the guy has to have SOME ego.
Nope, I think that it is cartoonish to think that RHG and Winnie could switch jobs.
More likely, Dallas is saddled with elevating one of the position coaches on defense to DC.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Oct 14, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally...
I have to see more of this season before really entertaining this notion. The reason is that I need to watch the next ten games to see what exactly defines Jason Garrett. This is extremely significant because I love his attitude and his demeanor, but I am not so sure that his offensive play-calling is the “genius” that it sometimes appears to be due to our struggles in the red-zone and our proclivity to pass on first down. If over the next ten games the offense shows some improvement and doesn’t really crap the bed late in the year like it did last year, I would fall strongly in the “hire Jason Garrett” camp.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Oct 13, 2009 7:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+17
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
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by Aaron Novinger on Oct 14, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about Coach D? I know quincyy said it earlier, but since no one replied, I will.
I admittedly don’t know much about him or his fb background, but look how quickly he’s turned the ST’s around.
And watch him on the sideline; he always looks like his head is in the game and his shiznit is together. Wade looks like he just wandered off from a retirement-home bingo game.
But, don’t get me wrong, I don’t hate wade(he seems like a genuinely nice guy), I just think he’s better suited for DC, rather than HC.
by LouDogakaCypher on Oct 13, 2009 8:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There's one repeated argument on this blog which is so blatantly wrong that needs to be corrected:
“It’s not the coaches, it’s the players, because the one constant all along has been the players.”
This is said in regards to comparing the mental weakness, lack of discipline (on the field) and errors through the two eras, Parcells to Phillips.
Really? No. There has been a LOT of turnover on the roster since, say, 2004, Parcells’ 2nd year.
Remember Terry Glen, Marco Rivera, Julius Jones, Anthony Henry, Jason Ferguson, LaRoi G., a QB named Bledsoe
Roy Williams #1, Ayodele, all the new guys the last few years……etc. etc.
Plus, guys like Witten and James were still learning the game and not the ‘same’ players they are now when Parcells was here.
Actually, only 6 or 7 guys have had important roles through both eras-Flo, Newman, Gurode, Witten, James, Ware and Spears,a couple of others. And no one is naming Spears, Ware, or Witten as part of the problem!
So while I’m the first to remind some of you that you overrate the talent on this team, the truth is more could be gotten out of them by an effective coaching staff.
The truth is the players have not stayed the same the last 6 years, but that we’ve witnessed two failed coaching staffs (Unless Wade pulls a miracle out this year-could happen!).
Parcells failure was due to being an old blowhard that tried to use motivational techniques from 1992 in 2004, along w/ an overly conservative style.
WadeP’s shortcomings are mostly agreed upon here, his expressions during the games say it all, he gets frustrated and bloats up instead of getting angry at the players and demanding more.
BUT, in the end, there is still a solution-the Players, led by guys like Brookings, can take over the role Wade can’t fulfill. They can hold each other accountable, and be more concerned w/winning than being friends. I didn’t see the last game, but someone mentioned that Witten was yelling at guys about the stupid mistakes. Well, someone needs to! It may not help, but it sometimes does, and is probably the only chance for this year.
by Realist Larry on Oct 14, 2009 12:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the only constant is th GM
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Oct 14, 2009 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's correct
not even the stadium!
by Realist Larry on Oct 14, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you said...
There has been significant player turnover and that you think the players can fill the leadership void that Winnie’s presence creates.
I agree with part 1, but not with part 2. At least not on this team with this roster.
If there was an Aikman, an Irvin or someone of that stature who had both the credibility (blings always help!) or the demonstrated locker room gravitas to do take up the charge, I’d sing a different tune, but this roster has a lot of lead-by-example guys and nobody remotely close to the level of charisma and confidence to the two I mentioned.
The fact is, only Romo could ever hope to assume that role on this current roster and it is clear to me that he isn’t cut in that mold.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Oct 14, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Key point: I said the players COULD step up and do that
but I don’t know if they will. Certainly there hasn’t been much of that the last few years!
I see that as the only hope for this year.
My main point was for people to stop saying the players have been a constant, even Raf repeats that. It’s simply not true, probably 33% of the 22 starters are holdovers.
by Realist Larry on Oct 14, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Terry COULD suddently say, "You're right Blings, Romo isn't the QB I thought he was".
Hey, it’s as likely as what you suggested could happen.
;-)
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Oct 14, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
will never happen because its definitely not true
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 14, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, duh...
You’re a realist.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Oct 16, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bill Belichick
+1 to Realist Larry on this issue. It IS the coach, any way you slice it. Take a look at an organization that takes players and turns them into very good if not great players consistently. The New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick is a great coach. He would turn this ship around and win a few Super Bowls, no question in my mind. Ask any NFL analyst and I am sure that they would agree.
by torchindefenses on Oct 14, 2009 10:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Take a look at the bigger picture
The Superbowl for the 2010 season will be played in Dallas. Jerry will do anything in his power to make sure his Cowboys play in that game.
With that in mind, a ‘rebuilding’ year or two with a completely overhauled coaching staff doesn’t seem all that likely.
If Wade gets the defense firing on all cylinders AND makes a deep playoff run, he stays.
If not, Garrett gets the nod for the HC job and we hire a 3-4 DC like Ron Rivera from the Chargers, Keith Butler from the Steelers or someone else I have never heard about, but with a strong pedigree.
In both cases, Jerry goes on a Free Agent spending spree after this season to make this team a sure contender.
by One.Cool.Customer on Oct 14, 2009 1:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
why are you guys talking about new coaches
everyone who blogged about the next coach is crazy. everyone, we are 3-2 and not playing good at alllllll. imagine what we will look like once we start playing better. I guarantee we play 10x better coming out of the bye. A lot of you people have no faith and just want a name brand coach, its pathetic. Wade is a fine coach and the players respect him. Although if the season collapses and we end up firing Wade, then look for jon gruden to come in as the next coach. hes relatively young with lots of experience and lotssss of fire.
by bloodsweatandtears on Oct 14, 2009 4:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Answer
Because the one we have sucks.
Got it now?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Oct 14, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're delusional if you think changing coaches
mid season will make this team better…truly delusional.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 14, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought you were the guy that says no one knows what could happen
Talking out of both sides of your mouth now?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Oct 15, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Gruden.
~Texas Massacre '09~
by TheHeat on Oct 14, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But I truly believe...
No coach has the cure to fix for what we call the Dallas Cowboys.
~Texas Massacre '09~
by TheHeat on Oct 14, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Terry, you're right
Changing mid-season would be terrible. That, should never happen, very delustional.
These guys need to be LED. Mr. Nice (my new name for Wade) can only fire them up so much and there isn’t a lot of personality leaders on this team, if any. JJ could definately get a worse coach. If you hire a coach that’s up and coming, he’s not proven and could be worse. You never know. Sometimes taking the chance and rolling the dice is worth it though. Continuous 9-7 years just missing the playoffs is justifies this.
by torchindefenses on Oct 14, 2009 8:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We Need a GM
GM hires the HC; the two of them hire their coordinators; they all hire the remaining staff. The GM runs the personnel department. Jerry should stick to everything else including making sure his tent does not fall and kill half the team.
by Iowacowboy on Oct 15, 2009 7:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Aren't there quite a few teams
that follow your mantra, and yet don’t make the playoffs or get to the Super Bowl?
by BishopWest on Oct 15, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HOW ABOUT...
Russ Grimm?
Mike Mularkey?
Kirk Ferentz (U of Iowa)?
Brian Kelly (U of Cinn)?
Hue Jackson?
Todd Bowles?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Oct 15, 2009 4:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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