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Cowboys lead league in yards - just need more points.

Dallas' offense actually is the most productive in the NFL - in yards, that is. They average 420.4, but their 24.4 points are only good for 11th best.

Bill Parcells used to say a club should have a touchdown for every 100 yards it gains. Using that rule of thumb, the Cowboys should be around 30 points per game. They're not because of turnovers, penalties and their problems inside the 20. In the last two games, Dallas has one touchdown and two field goals after getting that close to the opponent's end zone.

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that's exactly right

can’t wait for the dumb plays to just be cut in half, not even entirely eliminated, just in half, and watch the scoreboards go TILT

by mdlusk on Oct 13, 2009 7:08 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I wrote a fanpost about this before the season started

“Lack of Points – a Concern?”

There were signs pointing to this during the preseason. I think during the Titans game we had out-gained the Titans by over 100 yards but they were still winning 10-7 at one point.

2009 Dallas Cowboys: 10-6
2009 New York Jets: 11-5

by Grady90 on Oct 13, 2009 8:11 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't injure your arm patting yourself on the back!

Haha just kidding. Good prediction. I would had thought with MB3, Marty, Witten, Felix and RW we wouldn’t have that problem.

I guess when you keep Marty and Witten in to block and throw at Hurd while he’s blanketed by a potential hall of famer, bad things happen.

Greetings from the Humungus, the Ruler of the Wasteland, the Ayatollah of Rock and Roll-A. I laugh at your puny plans.

by Lord Humungus on Oct 13, 2009 11:11 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Roy are you there?

We need Roy to step up in the red zone. Let’s give Miles some time in the red zone.

by Macksfield on Oct 13, 2009 8:41 AM CDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

lets just run the ball more when we're second and goal from the 3

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Oct 13, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

amen to that

And work on the corner fade routes.

Summarizing the Dallas Cowboys in two words; inconsistently amazing.

by sublimezg on Oct 13, 2009 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you would think with MB, Austin, RW who are at least 6'3

we would kill the D’s with corner fade routs. Most DB’s are 5’9 thats a huge disadvantage

by dcfanz on Oct 13, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

With the backs we have, give them a chance to plow it in before panicking and throwing it all over the place.

by kindablue on Oct 13, 2009 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hopefully we can get Barber and FeJo back at full strength after the bye

clearly Barber has not been 100% since the Giants game and this offence misses Felix badly

by McLovin9 on Oct 13, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we did to Barber the same favor as last season

he should have been off the field until he recovers fully, now we have him limping around

by dcfanz on Oct 13, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have a theory on our inability to move smaller Dlines off the ball on goaline situations.

Its just a theory so take it as that.
Because of the size of our line I feel we give up a certain amount of quickness and its a little harder to get under a shorter man for leverage. Dlines on goal line fire gaps and submarine Olineman. I also think they come off in a way to take out 2 guys at a time allowing the LBs to free access to run and stack the backs. Their really isnt a hole for the back and he must make his jump over the line earlier. A back in midair has no power. Not ot mention the lbs have a bigger running start at the line.
At the goal line you also only have 11 yards depth so you can recover very quickly if its a pass. I think this is why we have more success with our short yardage run the farther away from the endzone we are. The extra space helps the threat of pass. I dont have the numbers to back this but it seems this way to me.

I wonder despite the size advantage if quickness negates our size. By going out wide we get Dline up and running and in better position to block. We seem to block on the move well. I can also see why Felix is good in goal line. All of our backs have great vision but Felix’s excelleration is a key asset.

KICK ASS every day!!!

by squidlo97 on Oct 13, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have a response Squidlo

I like this kind of analysis. It is at the root core of what ails us on offense. Ask yourself this question- Why are we a team that has an O-line designed to smash mout and run, but we see Garrett predominantly call pass plays at critical junctures? Before people start bashing me, and quoting run-pass ratios and how equal they are, go back and just count every play that is critical (3rd downs) and see how many are runs versus passes. He won’t try the run on 3rd and long. He did it once in the KC game 2nd and long with Tashard, and Tashard came within 1 yard of a 1st down. I don’t think teams believe we will try that, and we will catch them off guard.
If we are a team designed to smash mouth, then why don’t we try it? The only game that I can remember that we went smash mouth was last years 2nd redskins game. I thought we would loose, but we didn’t. Barber isn’t the only one who can run this type of game, Tashard can also. It won’t hurt the offense to try time possession type ball, especially against Atlanta. We need to keep they’re offense off the field. If we keep doing 3 and outs with excessive and irresponsible forced passes, we will loose and this KC victory will mean nothing. The KC victory already doesn’t mean much. It only helps in the win column. We have to beat NFC teams. Atlanta’s defense isn’t the Giants. They can’t stop Tashard, MB3 & Felix. Tashard should be used ALOT. Save Barber from more injury and for later in the season. He doesn’t look right. After establishing the run, let’s see how open the recievers will be. Felix will be a big difference against Atlanta.

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Oct 13, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yet that is the reason Terry

why this offense fails. If he wants to pass like that, it’s ok, but it doesn’t adress the reality of what the OL is like. That is why he fails miserably against the better teams. He’s no genious, mnd you.if he wanted to play offense like that so much, he should have made sure that we drafted Unger (big mistake) and gone after other lineman that excel at pass blocking. You can’t say he hasn’t had the time to correct the offense.

Also Terry, if you are like others and say he has no clout, or say so in the draft or FA, you are wrong. Jerry will go out and do anything to make the team better. We are not talking about making the team better, we are talking about making it function right. It doesn’t function right to call the type of offense he wants to call. And thus, the offense fails, and the team suffers as a result. Incomplete passes do that- They sap your confidence. I believe he doesn’t look at our running backs the way some of us do. I think he views them as a luxury, where people like me look at them as a cash cow to be constantly milked.

I am one that does not believe Romo is at fault at all. I believe it is coaching, playcalling, as well as bad draft decisions. Add to that Romo’s gunslinger mentality, and you have a very volatile and bad cocktail. If you see a game against Atlanta that doesn’t try to limit Atlanta’s offense by keeping the ball away from them, i think you may start seeing this wisdom more and more.
If Garrett tries to pass too much, that, I fear, is the type of game we will loose. We can’t loose that game if we have any inkling or ray of hope in making the playoffs and catching the Giants and Eagles. We can say that about every game from now on though, since the offense has gone this route, still in denial over it’s strengths and weaknesses. When will it snap out of this denial and accept the truth and start calling a game to win, rather than call a game to try and win the highlight reels? I really, deep down, don’t care how we win. I just am saying our strength has been the running game on offense, and that is obvious, and to not use it to clobber our opponents is a sad sad story that no one wants to hear. But i will speak it until I am Dallas Cowboys blue in the face, whether people like to hear it or not, and whether Garrett likes running or not.

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Oct 13, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What was it that Dr. McCoy said about Cpt. Kirk?

That Captain Kirk felt more comfortable about Spock’s guesses, than other people’s facts.

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Oct 13, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

how can our offense fail

when we have the number one ranked offense in the league? Your statement makes no sense. I disagree that our strength is our running game, I think both our passing game and running game are equally impressive.

Our offense would be averaging 30 points a game if not for the penalties and turnovers, and they would have occurred whether we are passing or running.

Garrett’s play calling isn’t the problem, it’s our lack of execution at times. When we execute, passing or running, we’re unstoppable.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Oct 13, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mark my words Terry

If Garrett goes pass happy on us again, we won’t beat Atlanta. We have to keep the ball away from them, and we have to establish the run and eat the clock on them and limit they’re chances on offense. Don’t be misled by statistics. Our pass offense isn’t there like people think it is, and it isn’t “money”. During the critical games, it would be foolish to think that the pass has been effective against the better teams. It has been the reason we loose because we don’t hold the ball long enough, and we give other teams too many chances with the ball. I find it as no problem believeing that limiting our opponents offensive touches, will greatly reduce they’re production. We don’t need super production from our offense. We need to stop turning the ball over, and we need to possess the ball longer.

Terry, if you did a study of how the Cowboys turned the ball over, what would that study show? Not just the interceptions, but the incompletions are turning the ball over way too much for my (and anyones) liking. Maybe other people are ok with it, but I’m not. We are not an average team, we are just playing like that because of this all-important under discussed issue. cut 50 percent of those passes, and we are 5-0 easily.

The one time in Denver we turned it over (where we didn’t need to by passing) was the difference in the game. Not using short screens and runs enough in the first half of the KC game kept them in the game at all. Take away the forced passes in the Giants game and they have no turnovers. Defenses ar looking for the downfield pass, and you know Terry, They are good enough to defense it. That’s why his passing scheme’s fool no one. That’s why our running game is far superior to our passing game.

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Oct 13, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the bottom line Palace

is that points come from the passing game, not running game. I agree we should run more once we have the lead, but when the game is close and we need points, we have to put the game in Romo’s hands regardless.

The best offenses have superior passing games and we should be no different.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Oct 13, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's not necessarily true......

did you see the last drive last night by the Dolphins? Sure, Henne threw some, but the majority of the drive was the Wildcat.

by texstar on Oct 13, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Balance Is The Key

We do not have a dominant Oline that can just dictate the run or the pass. We have to have balance and we have to have both running and passing plays that keep the opposing defense guessing. I think this is what JG is trying to do, but sometimes outsmarts himself on the play calls.

by staubachfan on Oct 13, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

At the very least Terry

We should allow our shortpassing game to the RB’s and runs set up our deep passing. I am not saying we shouldn’t try to pass the ball down the field. What I am saying is that we should pick and choose our shots better, and look to set them up, not just throw it out there for passing’s sake.

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Oct 13, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't Romo supposed to be

great at play action? i haven’t seen hardly any play action so far this year. you know what that tells me Terry? they are not trying to set up the downfield passes. They are just forcing them too much in my opinion.

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Oct 13, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no play action, no rollouts

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Oct 13, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Number One Offense

In yards.

Number nine in points scored. One matters, the other doesn’t. We’re a little above average, nothing more.

by kindablue on Oct 13, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are correct.....

who cares how many yds. per game you average if you don’t get any points. All I care about are points on the board.

by texstar on Oct 13, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

because you have to gain yards

to score points. Teams don’t start drives inside the red zone every series.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Oct 14, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For the reasons listed above.

i dont think we are all that great at goal line smash mouth runs. Seems like I see as many failure as the pass. The great run I remember was Carolina buying into the pass fake and over reacting leaving a huge hole for Tashard. If they play run 1st and dont react to the pass fake its a slow developing play that would have giving us a 2 yard loss.

Are you the Ghosts of Woody Hayes and Bear bryant.? Are you in favor of running the option.

KICK ASS every day!!!

by squidlo97 on Oct 13, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ab03

Fa sho.. MB3 doesn’t lead the NFC in touchdowns over the last 3 years by accident..

I am suprised Romo doesn’t hook-up with Witten more often though.. I think we are learning how to maximize the red zone.

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
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by Wmillion on Oct 13, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In reality...

I think we need to get Witten more involved in the red zone! It drives me crazy when he leads us down the field, and then once we get in the red zone it is like we forget he exists.

Beware D-Ware

by WittenRocks on Oct 13, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This will probably make people spit out their coffee but.

I wish we would have went back to Bennett in the red zone against Denver.
Benntt has never played out wide out in goal line and you can tell the newness of it by watching him. There is a learning curve. In the Bucs game he missed the read for the stop fade, not Romo making a bad throw(more reps baby). He ran a couple of other times and looked a little lost but when he gets his reps in and his recogintion up, he will be a force. He is probably our best matchup out there.

Just do it on 1st down so we have 2 other plays until he gets it.I still like Roy on the fade as well. He just should have caught the last one.

I just things will come together if we stick with it. Changing what you do constantly isnt a recipe for winning either

KICK ASS every day!!!

by squidlo97 on Oct 13, 2009 8:57 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I just spit out my coffee Squido

Because i just wrote to you how we need to run more using Tashard, and you talk about throwing it up at the goal line. We need touchdowns, not incompletions. Our pass offense is not consistent enough. The Atlanta game is too important to throw away. If they throw too much (especially on critical downs) , they will throw it away. I’m not against trying passes like that, i’m just against it when you haven’t established a running game, and no running back in the backfield won’t fool anyone I’m sorry. With that offensive line, I find it hard to believe we can’t think of powering it in there. But with Garrett, anything is possible i guess.

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Oct 13, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have to be able to do both.(run and pass) Thats not even up for debate.

My point was if we are going to have pass plays for the goal line package(and we absolutely will)Lets not continous change them. Lets master the execution of a few.
Our best matchups in the passing game are Bennett and Roy. I think the execution is close. Dont give up on them.

KICK ASS every day!!!

by squidlo97 on Oct 13, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The offense misses Jones and Barber in the Red Zone.

There have been 2 problems, 1 – a lack of execution in the passing game, but since our receivers are either still developing or simply average, that’s not so unusual; 2 – Choice doesn’t hit the hole as hard as Barber or Jones, although he seems more sturdy than either of them.

Of course, once they get healthy, Garrett actually has to call plays for them.

by Baked Potato Soup on Oct 13, 2009 11:17 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

hit the hole as hard?

sorry to respectfully disagree with you BPS, but Tashard hits the hole pretty hard. He is not easy to tackle, and he has good speed, not great, but good. He is a true mixture of Felix and MB3, but with the vision and awareness of Emmitt. That is why you see him as successful as he is.

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Oct 13, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We might as well use Choice.

Someone will give a big contrat when he is free. Didn’t he sign a three year deal?

by DIRE WOLF on Oct 13, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the Cowboys will re-sign him

and let MB3 go at that point.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Oct 13, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know Jerry and letting players go.

He seems to hang on about 2 years to long. Given MB3 running style he maybe about done in 2 or 3 more years.

by DIRE WOLF on Oct 13, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look

I wouldn’t be happy letting MB3 go, but haven’t the Cowboys made enough bad decisions over the last decade and a half? When are these bad decisions going to stop, and some smart decisions to be made? It’s the new way in the NFL, RB’s are more replaceable than ote positions. Felix and Tashard both have longer futures than Barber. We can get another good RB, but it will be very hard to find another Felix or Tashard. Not impossible, but very very hard.

I posted in other posts recently that both MB3 and Brandon Jacobs have slowed down a bit the last year. They are both starting to slide downwards. That kind of power running has it’s toll my friends.

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Oct 13, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, see Earl Campbell.

"We'll see." --Bill Parcells

by Uncle Angus on Oct 13, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thats my point

When MB3 is burned out, Jerry will be ready for a contract extension for Choice.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Oct 13, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me likee.

"We'll see." --Bill Parcells

by Uncle Angus on Oct 13, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess we will disagree, then.

But when do you see Choice moving piles like Barber, or knocking guys back? And when do you see him exploding past defenders before they even realize he is coming at them like Felix? Don’t get me wrong, Choice has great vision, balance, and agility, but on the goal line with a 1 or 2 yard window, he’s not the best choice (no pun intended) to take it up the middle. He’s better when he has a second to find the crease and then make a burst.

by Baked Potato Soup on Oct 13, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still BPS

Even if what your saying is true, Coice is no slouch at the goal line. He has speed- not Felix speed, but good speed. Let’s just say that if my hunch is correct (having Tashard and Felix out there at the same time), Tashard is no one to sleep on. He may not have Barbarian power, but he will put it in the end zone.

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Oct 13, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just don't recall seeing him punch it in as easily.

Just using some quick red zone stats from NFL.com, so this is rough. And obviously a lot of it is situational, but here are there Red Zone rushing stats:

Jones: 6 carries, 31 yards, 2 TDs – TD every 3 Red Zone carries
Barber: 187 carries, 522 yards, 37 TDs – TD every 5 Red Zone carries
Choice: 15 carries, 35 yards, 2 TDs – TD every 7.5 Red Zone carries

Like I said, some of that is situational, but I think it shows that Choice is not as dangerous in the Red Zone as the other 2, although with a very limited sample size for him and especially Felix.

I hope I’m wrong and you’re right, though, because like I said, he seems to be the only one of the 3 that can stay healthy, so they will need him to show his Red Zone skills, or develop them if he doesn’t have them, if they want to start scoring more.

by Baked Potato Soup on Oct 14, 2009 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man

So frustrating when your favorite team has talent at every position, but beats itself with mental mistakes..

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
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by Wmillion on Oct 13, 2009 11:34 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+10000

KICK ASS every day!!!

by squidlo97 on Oct 13, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed...

but I wouldn’t say every position.

by Baked Potato Soup on Oct 13, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay Squid

Can’t we build our offense from there? If the RB’s and Witten do they’re job, all the recievers will get theirs. Now if Garrett doesn’t get cute, than maybe we can get the offense rolling. Remember the rule so far- our O-line is better at run blocking than pass blocking. That should be first and foremost on any Cowboy fans mind.

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Oct 13, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Inside the 10:

Part of the problem is Tony Romo throwing the ball too high or too hard. Another is the WRs simply not catching the ball. Tony needs to understand he can indeed be TOO careful avoiding turnovers. Give your receivers a chance.

Crayton has lost any credibility with me about being a starter. Dump him and see if Marvin Harrison will stop playing with his guns long enough to sign.

by RA*9 on Oct 13, 2009 12:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

NO WAY on Harrison.

For one thing, he’s nowhere near the athlete he was just a couple of years ago. But more importantly, the guy is bad news, on the same level as Pacman.

by Baked Potato Soup on Oct 13, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Harrison is finished

If he wasn’t, the Colts would have never cut him and someone would have signed him.

Like Terry Glenn, his knees forced his premature retirement.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Oct 13, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crayton is pretty good 3rd WR...

but Austin needs to start. He gives speed on the outside and speed kills. We need to stretch the field so the under routes come open and just maybe we can get a long TD pass every once in a while.I also think Choice should start and get most of the snaps till MB3 and Felix are completely healthy.

by DIRE WOLF on Oct 13, 2009 12:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Allen Rossum

was released ….. anyone else think the Boys should go after him as a return man?

by what_the_crap on Oct 13, 2009 12:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

in a heart beat

we need a good punt returner in the worse way.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Oct 13, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We have a punter a kickoff spec.and a field goal kicker.

There are only 45 players on Sunday. Is he a backup CB? He is 33 yrs.old. Opps I just heard we signed him. Ogletree gets to watch on Sunday in his street clothes

by DIRE WOLF on Oct 13, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Ogletree wants to be active on game day...

he needs to be able to return punts and or kickoffs. He has the speed. The best way for an undrafted free agent rookie to get a chance is special teams.

by DIRE WOLF on Oct 13, 2009 12:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Whoa there my friend..

You like a lot of other people forget one big stat..The Cowboys are 30th in a 32 team league in starting field position.

They average starting on the 25 yard line..It would be nice to have a defense get a frigging turnover every once in a while..

Every one is so fixed on the offense and especially Tony Romo they, once again, miss how god awful this defense has been in the turnover department.

By comparison… The Giants get an average of nearly 2 turnovers a game..The Cowboys less than 1…

by bevomav on Oct 13, 2009 3:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

Thats where we need the most improvement on this team. I can live with some penalties, but winning the turnover battle is crucial and you can’t expect your offense to always be turnover free.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Oct 13, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeh, Romo had a pretty nice game Sunday despite all the pressure generated

by blogs and fans and media.

If the defense hadn’t folded in crunch time, as has become their pattern, the game’s over without overtime and everybody here is a little happier.

Note, I said “a little”.

"We'll see." --Bill Parcells

by Uncle Angus on Oct 13, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

who are you kidding

Until Jerry raises a 6th Lombardi Trophy, there won’t be too many fans here ever happy.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Oct 13, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And the fans shouldn't be happy with anything less.

At one time the Cowboys were a great organization. No team would keep a GM that hasn’t been to the playoffs in 12 years. Except maybe Washington or Oakland and they have the same problem as the Cowboys. Little Danny, Al, and Jerry think they are football men because they had the money to buy a team.Al was a football man at one time 40 years ago,now he’s just an old fart.

by DIRE WOLF on Oct 13, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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