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Wade sucks…but firing him doesn't solve the real problem

For anyone who thinks Wade is an adequate HC, I ask you: even if Wade were 7 years younger, would any NFL team now hire him as a head coach if he were on the open market? Obviously no. I’m not even sure Wade is a good coordinator in the absence of a HC who creates a disciplined organizational culture. I don’t hate on Wade for the aesthetic reasons that some do (Tony Sparano and Rex Ryan are also fat, and I’d much prefer them as coaches.) And I even think Wade’s firing might (marginally) improve our chances this season. So why in the hell am I rooting for him to finish the season? Read on…

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1)       Wade’s fecklessness as a coach is symptomatic of a broken organizational culture that can’t be righted by his firing.  Fact: the Dallas Cowboys coach is the NFL equivalent of the Governor of Texas. Both positions lack institutional powers that others in their positions do have. Wade didn’t hire (and can’t fire) his own coordinators; in fact, one of them was hired before him! When Wade is cagey about whether Austin will start or just “play more,” does anyone doubt that it’s not really his decision, but rather some combination of Jason and Jerry’s? When Jerry publicly exonerates Alan Ball for his Leodis McKelvin-esque stupid play, is there any room for Wade to even privately tell the team “stupid penalties like this will not be tolerated”?

 

2)       Not even the 1992 version of Jimmy Johnson could instill organizational discipline with the constraints Wade has. And Wade is no Jimmy Johnson. Look, the players all know what we know. The real power in the building isn’t Wade, who has to ask the GM permission to fine a player for crying out loud. Were Jerry a Steinbrenner-level tyrant, discipline instilled from the owner’s box might just work. But Jerry is no Steinbrenner. Wade’s nice guy personality exacerbates this problem, certainly. But the institutional constraints on the Cowboys’ coach virtually guarantee that only a go-along personality like Wade would accept the job in the first place. So the structural deficiency that makes discipline tough isn’t removed by removing the Head Coach.

 

3)       The most plausible replacement scenario—Garrett—gives us only a marginally better chance to win this year. No matter how good Garrett is--and I think he’s going to be at least a Sean Payton-level success as a head coach in this league—he can’t correct the negative habits of the organization overnight. He can’t instantly have coordinators who are accountable to him. (Remember, Garrett wanted to hire Mike Solari as the O-Line coach, but Jerry did what he always does and went with the familiar Hudson Houck.) Garrett certainly is not going to have the ear of the defense, which is the unit that is most underachieving. I think Garrett would be less likely to hurt the precious feelings of the players than Wade is, but again, the effects of that change aren’t going to bear instantaneous fruit.

 

4)       If we’re not going to make a deep playoff run under any coach in 2009, it would be better for us to miss the playoffs. Two reasons, in ascending order of importance:

A)      Since Jerry took over the draft room, we’ve been consistently good when picking in the Top 15 (think Ware) and bad when picking after (think Spencer and Carpenter). Picking towards the top of the draft is no guarantee of success, but you’re way more likely to find an instant impact player at the priority positions (LT, pass rusher, D-Line, CB) when picking up front.

 

B)      If we go 10-6 and lose a sloppily-played first round game at Minnesota, Jerry will convince himself that a new coach here and a Julius Peppers trade there are all we need. If we go 8-8, Jerry is more likely to do what he almost did last season: bring in someone like Reeves to add value to the front office, and stop “chasing shiny things” in personnel decisions.  

 

5)       Jerry’s fundamental weakness as a GM—and it animates nearly all of his major errors—is the Quick Fix Mentality. I admire Jerry’s lust for Super Bowl trophies, and disdain for finishing anywhere else. But he learned the wrong lessons from the Charles Haley and Deion Sanders acquisitions. Both of those guys would have been Hall of Famers even if they’d never been Cowboys, and both of them came onto loaded, pre-salary cap rosters with an established pecking order. Jerry’s attempts to duplicate Chucky/Deion are behind the Galloway and Roy Williams trades, behind the T.O. and Pac Man acquisitions, and even behind his tendency to overpay vets like Newman and Adams and one-year wonders like Hamlin whose age and/or spotty track record make them unlikely to continue to play at a Pro Bowl level. His quick fix mentality is behind most of our drafting mistakes, from the “reach to fill a need drafts” (Carpenter and Spencer are just modern versions of the drafts that produced Dwayne Goodrich and Shante Carver) and the “take risky players with huge upside” philosophy in the 2nd round that produced Antonio, Quincy, and Martellus. This mentality is the reason why we always have a top heavy roster, with a Rob Pettiti for every Leonard Davis, and virtually nothing in between. Even in an injury-free year like 2007, injuries are inevitable in the NFL, and when injuries bit us at the wrong time (Owens’ ankle, Romo’s thumb), we didn’t have the through-the-roster talent to compensate for stars’ playing at 85%. That the top of our roster is good is testament to Jerry’s strengths of (sometimes) listening to his scouts and charming free agents. That the bottom of our roster always sucks is testament to Jerry’s “upside” fetish and the fact that he personally adds zero value in player evaluation. Jerry needs to do the hard work of evaluating the top of the roster, stocking the bottom of the roster, and getting a coaching staff that is not just a collection of random parts.

 

6)       I have hope that the 1997-2009 Cowboys will be like the 1982-1995 Yankees. It’s easy to forget now, but the careers (if not the personalities) of George Steinbrenner and Jerry Jones are eerily similar. Both took charge of the flagship franchise in their sport when it was at its low ebb. Both were criticized as out-of-their-depth rubes when they started, but used out-of-the-box thinking and big balls to bring their franchises back to the top. Both feuded with their most successful coach (Jimmy is Jerry’s Billy Martin), both began to micro-manage personnel decisions in favor of flash, and both spent a decade desperately chasing the “perfect” manager/coach (Bucky Dent=Dave Campo) when the problem was them all along. Both were still semi-successful in their exile from championships (the ‘Boys have been to the playoffs a lot, and the Yanks had a lot of good teams and Hall of Famers from ’82-’95.) In 1992, Steinbrenner got suspended for paying for dirt on Dave Winfield, and Gene Michael took over personnel in his absence. He developed Jeter, Bernie, Mariano, and Posada, and brought in the tyrannical Buck Showalter to clean the decks. When Steinbrenner returned in 1993, he quit micro-managing personnel, and used his money and the force of his charming-when-needed personality to convince free agents and valuable veterans without a ring (Boggs, Clemens) to become Yankees. 1996-2001 were a return to Yankee dominance. I hope that the near-hiring of Dan Reeves and the Stephen-inspired jettisoning of T.O. are not mere P.R. moves, but changes in Jerry’s mentality that are his “Gene Michael moment.” The history of owners in any sport who get overly involved in personnel is not good. When an owner makes himself GM in title or de facto, he creates a GM with no accountability to an owner above him and inherent power to intrude on the prerogatives of the coach that works below him. Of the owners who do business this way (Bidwell, Brown, Snyder, Davis, Jerry), Jerry is by far the best GM. He doesn’t need to give up all of his control, just enough of it.

 

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This is a meaty, well thought out post

One of the best I’ve read in some time.

Very well done Tim. Very well done…

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Oct 15, 2009 12:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach

by dave33 on Oct 16, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Spencer

is not a bust

Ich bin ein Berliner--JFK

by HudBaby on Oct 15, 2009 12:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He ain't Bobby Carpenter...but he's more like Spears

If you look at the cluster of players taken before and after Spencer in 2007, most of them are better. Spencer was drafted to be a pass rusherm and he hasn’t given us what we drafted him for.

A good way of evaluating a player is:
1) Is the player an above average NFL starter at his position? (No)
2) Were the player traded for draft picks, what would he fetch? If the answer is “3rd round pick or lower,” the player is not that good. Would we be able to trade Spencer for even a 2nd round pick? No.
3) When first round picks become impact players, they typically demonstrate that ability before Year 4. Spencer hasn’t. I withold final judgement in that his career has been hampered by injuries, though health is itself an “ability” in most cases.

by TimSchultz36 on Oct 15, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Spears = bust

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Oct 15, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would have agreed

before this year. He seems to be playing at a much higher level this season, but he needs to maintain that all year before he loses the bust label.

by sduncan24 on Oct 15, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

JEEZ....his 1st year starting....but he's a bust already.

Cut the guy a little slack.
Maybe if Wades “scheme” had him Rushing the QB….instead of trailing RB’s and tight ends in pass coverage …maybe he wouldn’t be such a “Bust”

You'll never get in a traffic jam,while going the extra mile. -Roger staubach

by TrueBlue24 on Oct 16, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even if he isn't a bust

we have got next to nothing out of him in his first two years. That is a poor ROI to date.

I agree bust is strong.

by I_miss_Switzer on Oct 16, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My comment

is referring to Spears, not Spencer

by sduncan24 on Oct 16, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is a bust...

… in terms of career production to date.

However, it’s not all Spencers fault. He was drafted as insurance after Ellis suffered what was thought to be a potential career ending achilles injury. As we all know, Ellis re-emerged as an effective edge pass rusher and was named Comeback Player of the Year. This (and some untimely injuries) limited Spencer’s opportunities. We must also factor in the position change coming from college to the pro level. Remember, a first round pick is many times based on potential and not anticipated impact.

I think Spence will make some impact plays in the second half of the season. You can that each week he is playing a little faster. I’m also not that focused on his sack total because Ware is generally the 4th pass rusher and Spencer (playing mostly on the strong side) hasn’t been rusing as much.

Cowboy Up!

by CowboyCrazy on Oct 17, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My guess would be....

….that “potential” is more about long term, and “anticipated impact” is about immediate results

I think he is suggesting that Spencer’s immediate results have been meager, but the potential for long term production is still there.

I’m not sure I agree, and I’m not putting words in his mouth, but I’m guessing that’s what he meant by that statement.

by BishopWest on Oct 17, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting comparison btw Jones and Steinbrenner.

I’d thought about this before, but never thought about Jimmy Johnson being his Billy Martin. I guess I’m just glad that Johnson didn’t keep coming back for more. I know how tired I got of hearing about the Yankees during those years. I can imagine Cowboys haters got sick of the soap opera last season. They might not be playing that well. But at least we don’t have don’t have to hear about Jessica, TO, Pacrat, Tank, Ed Werder and all the other garbage that went on last season. Even Ellis’ whining is gone.

by illcowboy on Oct 15, 2009 12:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Very Good Tim

The points you make are quite valid. The personality needed to work with Jerry seems to be that of a yes man. The sentences in bold print sum up the problem and the solution completely. Hope we can soon find our Gene Michael. I would love it if Jimmy came back to the Cowboys. Always loved the excitement he created . Also known for kicking a little butt if needed. We could use that now.

by oldboysfan on Oct 15, 2009 6:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Jerry will never give up any control

however, I think he is more inclined to listen to Stephen and rely on his advise, but you can bet Jerry will always have the final say in any Cowboys related decision.

Cowboys fans have to accept Jerry the way he is because I think his health is in good shape which means he’ll be GM of this team for a very long time to come.

Wishing he is going to change or step down as GM is just wishful thinking, kind of like hoping that someday Texas summers aren’t going to be really hot.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Oct 16, 2009 9:08 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Required Reading for any fan of the Dallas Cowboys

The dysfunction of the organization extends from ownership through Management into coaching and player personnel. I love the analogy with the 80’s Yankees, it’s pretty appropriate.

I still say getting rid of WP, the Stay Puff Marshmallow coach now will give us the opportunity to: a) elevate Garrett and find out if he’s a head coach and b) minimize complete disruption by firing your coach mid-season. Otherwise we will face the possibility of replacing all Sr Coaching positions next year – Wade(HC and DC) leaving as well as Garrett, because JJ is enamored with Holmgren or Shanahan. Then we can write off the next 2 seasons as well as this. For all practical purposes, the best years of the ‘Romo era’ will accomplish nothing.

Two scenarios make the Cowboys a contender this year – they suddenly get better by self-destructing less or the 6 teams ahead of them in the NFC falls back to their level. Realistically, neither is likely. I am beginning to suspect the conventional wisdom of ’ a talented, but underachieving team.’ And am beginning to side with the recent observations that we have over-estimated Average Talent in many areas.

Irrespective, I will watch with interest the NYG-Saints match up to see where the elite truly stack up in the NFC at this point of the season.

PS – see the John Riggins video now on the DMN Blog just skewering the Redskins Management, coaching. How relevant is that?

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by tdships on Oct 16, 2009 9:42 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Recent quote from Raf that I totally agree with...
He’s in the last year of his contract
what’s the point in firing him now? It may be the difference between 9-7 and 5-11, but they’re not going to post a winning record if he’s canned.

It’s like the White Sox trading players away a few years ago when they were just three or four games out of first place. Some fans might like it but the PLAYERS will see it as J.J. giving up on the season.

And if that happens a lot of them will quit on the season too. Football players are an impressionable bunch.

There is absolutely no reason to fire Wade during the season.

In addition – who would run the defense in Wade’s absence? Not Campo – he’s a 4-3 coach, but we’re a 3-4 team.

by BishopWest on Oct 16, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

“The dysfunction of the organization extends from ownership through Management into coaching and player personnel. I love the analogy with the 80’s Yankees, it’s pretty appropriate.”

We need the NFL equivalent of Brian Cashman—who brought tough, smart, hard-nosed players to the Yankees.

Brooking=Paul O’Neill?

by rabblerousr on Oct 17, 2009 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not Cashman, we need Gene Michael (Dan Reeves could have been that guy) and Bob Watson

Michael and Watson are the guys who built the Yankees dynasty in the lat nineties. Cashman is the giy who signed Carl Pavano

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Oct 17, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's given up control before...

He actually gives up control any time he chooses to take someone else’s advice. Jerry obviously wanted to keep Owens, but he acceded to Stephen’s advice. The near-move to get Reeves was obviously an idea that came from somewhere else. Bringing in Parcells was a huge ceding of control.

I actually think that the next head coach will have the power to hire/fire staff, as we won’t get anybody good without giving them that power.

by TimSchultz36 on Oct 16, 2009 9:45 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

no Tim, thats not true

Listening to somebody else’s advise is not losing control, you should know better than that and this notion that he gave up control to Parcells while he was here is simply a myth, it never happened.

The bottom line is that any personnel decision was made by Jerry, the signing of T.O. is proof of that because there is no way Parcells was okay with that move, desipte what he said at the time.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Oct 16, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh gosh no

Why would Jerry expect more accountability from his consultant than he would from his players or coaches?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Oct 16, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reeves' Background Was

As offensive coordinator. Very likely, his role would have been to review the work of Jason Garrett. Jason may have objected to Jerry to someone taking a supervisory position to him. Garrett seems to have some pull with Jerry, and also seems to be pretty politically savvy (political in the sense he is attuned to acquiring and maintaining personal power within the organization). This is idle speculation, but the connection of the events isn’t far-fetched.

by kindablue on Oct 16, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Imagine

If Reeves would have been hired, the rumors would have been out of control..

Maybe we aren’t 3-2 though..

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by Wmillion on Oct 16, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

On this subject, read Mike Lombardi at the NFP

We have talent problems with Crayton, Flozell, and in our secondary. But we’re paying Flozell, Hamlin, and Newman like Pro Bowlers. They’re not Pro Bowlers. We don’t have Top 5 talent anymore, and unlike, say, Miami, we don’t overachieve with the talent we have.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Diner-morning-news-Too-many-problems-in-Big-D.html

by TimSchultz36 on Oct 16, 2009 10:55 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I didn't think the Cards were talented enough either

to go to the SB last season and we all know how that turned out.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Oct 16, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't think the Cowboys were talented enough either

to go to the Super Bowl last year and we all know how that turned out.

We’re not any more talented this year. We may have better injury luck (Romo hopefully plays 16 games, Felix hopefully plays more than 4), but we’re not going to win the Super Bowl on talent the way we might’ve in 2007. We have to overachieve. The point is, NOTHING in the history of the Phillips administration suggests we’re going to overachieve. One never gets the feeling when watching this team—ever—“wow…what a well-coached team playing above it’s talent level!”

by TimSchultz36 on Oct 16, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But they were coached well...

Hmmm.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Oct 16, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i never really thought so

they were completely unimpressive for much of the year.

WHat they DID have, like o so many other great teams these last 8 years, is a great qb (Warner turns into a god in the playoffs) and a great safety/defensive leader (WIlson), which seems to be the recipe for playoff success.

They also were lucky enough to play in the west…cause they’d struggle to make the playoffs in any other division

by foyesboys on Oct 18, 2009 3:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No way

Whisenhunt is a huge upgrade over Dennis Green.

They had a great staff with Haley, Russ Grimm, etc.

All those things you mention were there before Whisenhunt arrived.

They’ve executed much better since he and that staff got there.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Oct 18, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know you have a great staff

when you fire your defensive coordinator after going to the Super Bowl.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Oct 19, 2009 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder if he is still there if DRC makes the play instead of Holmes?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Oct 19, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's a lame fallback, guy.

I know I’ve used that one myself before but it’s just as a general acknowledgement that this season isn’t over after five games.

by MadMick on Oct 18, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bingo

Dallas just does not have the horses anymore. Receiving corp is below average. Center can’t snap. Flo is hobbled and old. Defensive front seven does not scare anyone. Ware is a standout but even he does not punish. The secondary is in disarray. Safeties are below average. Corners are talented but play below their pedigree; TNewman has never reached the status worthy of his draft position; Jenkins is hot and cold. QB is playing at about the middle of the pack. This team is stuck on mediocrity and average.

by Iowacowboy on Oct 17, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well.......tell the whole story

because there are some bright spots, too

  • 5th in the NFL in passing yards
  • 3rd in the NFL in rushing yards per game
  • 3rd in the NFL in number of rushing TDs
  • 2nd in the NFL in 1st downs gained through rushing
  • 1st in the NFL in offensive yards per game
  • 1st in the NFL in offensive yards per play
  • 1st in the NFL in average yards per rush
  • 1st in the NFL in runs over 20 yards
  • 1st in the NFL in runs over 40 yards

This kind of offense doesn’t sound so mediocre or average to me.

They have had problems scoring in the red zone, but just keep watching. I think you’ll see it improve when Felix is back in the lineup and Barber is healthy.

by BishopWest on Oct 17, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could he win as many playoff games as he did with that drunk punk daddy's boy Brian Griese...

….Or Jack “The Snack” Plumber? How many playoff games is that by the way; that he won with those guys at the helm?

by MadMick on Oct 18, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great Article

Discussions about changing out a few players or even the coaching staff have overlooked the bigger picture, that JJ may not create the environment for a coach to succeed.

by kindablue on Oct 17, 2009 8:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely Love this Post!

Great discussion points.

Can anyone answer these two questions…

1. What is the long-term VISION of the Dallas Cowboys football team?

2. What is the IDENTITY of the Dallas Cowboys football team?

I will guarantee you that Bill Polian, Ozzie Newsome, Andy Reid, and Kevin Colbert can answer these questions.

Cowboy Up!

by CowboyCrazy on Oct 17, 2009 12:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

So can I ...........easy

1) The Super Bowl
2) A Blue Star

by BishopWest on Oct 17, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great read!

I agree, firing Wade now solves nothing. Might as well crash and burn with Wade rather than have an interim HC and really crash and burn…not to say that we ARE going to crash and burn (I still have faith!).

Maybe next year JJ gives a little bit of the power to someone else or as Jimmy Johnson said, make him think he is in control.

by Boyz4Life on Oct 17, 2009 7:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice post, but...

I disagree that Jerry is still a GM with a quick fix mentality. The trade for Roy Willaims was more about getting a talented wide receiver that does not have a reputation for causing discord within the team, than trying a quick fix. If anything, I feel that Jerry and Stephen showed uncommon foresight in acquiring a replacement for TO. It suggests that Stephen, Jason, and maybe even Tony were already talking to Jerry about jettisoning Owens very early into the season.

Furthermore, you paint Jerry the GM as an overbearing, micromanaging tyrannt. From what I understand, nothing could be further from the truth. Jones rewards loyalty and is actually a great guy (which you allude to in your post).

Your characterizations of Jerry do not account for him listening to his scouting department and coaches, resulting in the following picks:

Witten 3rd round
James 4th round
Barber III 4th round
Canty 4th round
Choice 4th round
Scandrick 5th round
Anderson 6th round
Crayton 7th round
Ratliff 7th round

Those guys date back to the 2003 NFL draft. Rookie free agents to add to the list include Romo and Miles. In addition, these free agents are far from glitsy:

Olshansky
Brooking
Kosier
Colombo
Sensabaugh

I do not think that Jerry the GM is as bad as your post paints. Only time will tell.

by ScarletO on Oct 17, 2009 8:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Let me clarify...

Jerry is not “an overbearing micromanaging tyrant.” He’s only one of the three. He’s micromanaging…no other GM in the league has the kind of organizational power he has. No other coach in the league has the limited powers that Phillips (and before him, Campo. Gailey, etc.). Jerry is indeed a great guy, but he’s the equivalent of an indulgent parent…he’s stripped the coach of many of the most effective tools for discipline, and he’s not discplining anyone while throwing out ProBowl contracts to players like Hamlin, Adams, and Newman (whom I love, by the way) who aren’t Pro Bowlers anymore. He doesn’t accurately evaluate the talent on his own team (a GM’s #1 job) and by his “socks and jocks” mentality divests the coaching staff of the ability to enforce discipline.

I agree with you that Jerry has mostly learned to listen to his scouts during the draft (since the Quincy Carter debacle). I think we’re above average in drafting now.

by TimSchultz36 on Oct 17, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately, Al Davis comes to mind.

In regards to organizational power, Al Davis and the Oakland Raiders come to mind. For that reason, comparisons are drawn. That is the only similarity between the two owners: just review the list of draft picks above and compare those with Jamarcus Russell and Darius Heyward-Bey.

I agree with a great deal that was written by foyesboys (nice breakdown). The Cowboys swings and misses with receivers and offensive linemen really have forced their hands in resigning some key members of the team.

As far as Jerry the GM, the Cowboys have improved the talent on their roster 10-fold since 2003. Jerry did not want to work with Parcells anymore, and that is fine by me. Do not get me wrong, I liked the legitimacy that Bill lent to the organization and the subsequent improvements that were made under his watch. Parcells, however, did not do the one thing Jerry asked him to do: deliver post-season success.

From Jerry’s point of view, I can understand his decision to hire a more GM friendly coach. This is not uncommon: see AJ Smith in San Diego. AJ did not like working with Schottenheimer and threw away a great chance for a Super Bowl to indulge his lust for control and power. Scott Pioli left New England to have more power in Kansas City.

I prefer Jerry’s strong will over the milk-toast GM in Washington. Jerry knows Wade’s limitations, but he also prefers to work with someone like Wade.

That is why I see Dallas hiring Garrett as the head coach after this season. Shanahan does not have the personality to work with Jones. Holmgren is looking for more of a progression to an administrative position (ala the afore mentioned Bill Parcells).

Not only is the offense posting some impressive numbers so far this season, but Garrett “is familiar how things work” in Valley Ranch, as Jerry once uttered. So far, Denver is the only team that has interviewed Jason, and has not offered him a job (I think St. Louis did, but Jason wanted more money). In a way, it is easy to argue that Garrett was a better choice that the head coaches currently in St. Louis, Baltimore, and Atlanta.

Speaking of Denver, Bowlen hired McDaniels BEFORE hiring his new GM. Funny how nobody is bringing up that so-called indiscretion right now (in regards to hiring Garrett before Wade).

But back to the theme, as a GM, the Cowboys could do much worse. I always find it interesting when people tick-off the names of quarterbacks (or offensive coordinators) than they would rather have than Romo (or Garrett). Try the same exercise with GM’s.

Now do the same thing with coaches. Bet you the list is quite a bit longer. Maybe there is something to that…

by ScarletO on Oct 18, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which GMs would I prefer over Jerry?

How about any GM that has built a team that has won a playoff game since the Clinton adminstration. Any other GM would have been $h!tc@nned ages ago.

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Oct 18, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Matt Millen or Jerry?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Oct 18, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lions Fans could take some solace that eventually Millen would be gone.

Not going to happen with Jerry, barring death or incapacity

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Oct 18, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And the reason I have not brought up Bowlen's hiring practices is that I don't care about the Denver Broncos.

And what is completely uncommon is the Owner and the GM being the same guy. The GM is not accountable for his failures because the owner wants all the credit for any success

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Oct 18, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea I agree with ScarletO on that

Jerry hasn’t seemed like a quick fix kind of gm to me. A quick fix gm would’ve canned wade after last years philly debacle – Regardless of the result, I think coaches would rather work for a guy who actually gives them a chance to put their players into place (and Wade has with both Parcells and Wade) than one who doesn’t.

The two areas we’ve gone for the “quick fix” are receiver and ol. At most other positions, the organization has done a good job. Receiver, we brought in TO and Roy. Given that I think we cut him at the EXACT right time, I have no negative opinion of TO now that hes gone.If we do win a superbowl, I think TO gets some sort of credit cause i don’t think Romo plays as well in 2006 without him, and we maybe go in a different direction. Its still early to judge roy. But look at the ol – Columbo and Leonard Davis signings have been HUGE for us. So I would even argue that the “quick fixes” haven’t even been that bad.

Generally, poor ol drafting and the inability to find a safety has forced our hand with the two resignings that seem worst in retrospect – Flo and Hamlin. Newman is getting paid too much, but its hard to argue considering his production at the time. We had a top flight offense after 2007 with a great OL – we HAD to resign Flo given our lack of guys to replace him. ANd we’ve struggled with the safety position so bad, again, we HAD to resign hamlin. I still doubt we needed to give him that much money, but we absolutely needed him.

Jerry is certainly too involved with the team, and i would love to see him give up his GM status. Tim, your first 3 point are absolutely right. Jerry has continued to undermine the coaching staff by speaking about players and plays that he shouldn’t be talking about.

by foyesboys on Oct 18, 2009 3:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you've hit the nail on the head

OL,S and WR are our ‘blind spots’ as far as talent acquisition goes. Both drafting and FA, although more so in drafting. It’s actually Cause and Effect – because we’ve drafted so poorly at these positions, we’ve been forced to remedy it in Free Agency. We’ve done OK In FA, but you should really do better than that. For every L Davis you can point to as a success, there’s a M Rivera.

Generally, our drafting has been uneven. Which is pretty average for the league. Given our current circumstance, and the fact that drafting quality WR’s is such a hit-or miss proposition, I say we go FA for OL and WR, but definitely focus on Safety in the draft

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by tdships on Oct 18, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keyshawn, T.O., Pacman, Joey Galloway...

I can keep going.

Jerry has mortgaged his team’s future on multiple occasions for a shot at success in the present.

Regardless of how you characterize the personnel moves, he isn’t someone who I would say has a long-term plan for success in terms of anything but the net worth of the franchise.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Oct 18, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, technically, Jerry only traded Galloway for Keyshawn.

So Keyshawn didn’t really cost anything. As I’ve alluded to over and over again, if you want to know how incompetent Jerry is as a GM, just look at the fact that even he knows he has no shot of drafting a competent receiver so he constantly re-stocks the lead receiver role with other team’s disgruntled diva douchebags. Recipe for disaster if there ever was one.

by MadMick on Oct 18, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But he used two #1's for Galloway

…so, whoever they ended up with at the position was a multi-first round pick guy.

I don’t think my major beef with Jerry is on the personnel side, mainly because he will do whatever he can to put a highly skilled team on the field.

I do, however, fault him in terms of the coaches he has hired, the coordinators he has hired (taboo) and the general organizational culture he has created for this team.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Oct 19, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jerry has said it many many times...

He has the wealth and power to do just about anything he wants to. He could probably be the Gov. of Texas if he wanted to be. He could circle the world in a hot-air balloon if he wanted to, and heck he could even coach this team IF he wanted to.

But what Jerry wants is to do is manage the football team where coincidentally most of his wealth is tied up. As long as he is alive, he is going to defelct any criticism and make the majority of decisions involving this franchise. Any thought and/or hope that he is going to relinquish control is a waste of time. His willingness to “listen” to The Tuna is about as close as it’s ever going to get.

And if you don’t like it, put yourself in his shoes. If you owned the Dallas Cowboys, wouldn’t you want to take what you learned from the GM Mode on Madden Football and use it in real life!! =)

Cowboy Up!

by CowboyCrazy on Oct 18, 2009 11:44 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

the point is...

26 or so other owner could do it this way but do not do it this way. Of those that do, the Cowboys are the most successful team, but NO team that does it that way has been a threat to win a Super Bowl for quite some time. It would seem that it’s an organizational structure that doesn’t produce Super Bowls. It produces lots of financial success for at least some of the teams (Cowboys, Redskins) that do it that way.

by TimSchultz36 on Oct 18, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hugh Hefner...

..Could probably find someone that would do a better job pleasing his ladies, but why would he ever consider it?

Cowboy Up!

by CowboyCrazy on Oct 19, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's an apt analogy...unfortunately

Playboy=Hefner…when Hefner is gone, the brand is gone. Jerry runs the team like he’s Hefner, and that makes good business sense, but it makes little football sense. Again, no successful NFL team (on the field) is run the way the Cowboys are.

Jerry treats the Cowboys this way. But if Jerry were gone as GM (which he will never be, by the way), we’d have about a 75% chance of being better. Hell, if Jerry stayed as GM but didn’t use his Owner position to be a SuperGM (just a regular ‘ol GM), we’d attract better HC candidates and have a chance of instilling some discipline.

by TimSchultz36 on Oct 19, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hefner might live forever

Have you seen the new bimbos on his lap?

That, dear friends, is the fountain of youth.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Oct 19, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jerry's had facelifts and botox injections and all that other fancy Hollywood crap.

What happened to the pudgy shitkicker Jerry I used to know who was aging gracefully?

by MadMick on Oct 18, 2009 1:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dam, I was hoping you were serious when you said there was no hope.

Your still whining so you must think there is still a chance.

KICK ASS every day!!!

by squidlo97 on Oct 20, 2009 10:11 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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