Bye Week Brings Cowboys Good News
by Dave Halprin on Oct 19, 2009 2:00 AM CDT
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PrintJust like that, the perspective is changed. I've been urging caution at jumping ship, especially with the Dallas Cowboys sitting at 3-2 which constitutes a winning record. This is why in the NFL, when things are bunched this tightly, early in the season, just keeping your head above .500 can put you in position to make a run. The close-shave win over the (then) winless Chiefs had some in a sour mood. I was just happy for the win. Why?
Because no game is a gimme in the NFL, especially on the road.
Ask the Philadelphia Eagles who just went on the road and coughed up a game to the lowly Raiders. Right about now, I guarantee you the Eagles (and their fans) would kill for an OT win against a bad opponent on the road. They would do anything to get that win, because in the NFL, a win is a win. This isn't about style points or popularity contests, it's about cold, hard, wins.
Heck, you don't even have to go on the road to blow a game against a bad opponent. Just ask the Washington Redskins, who have given three teams their first wins so far this season. Watching that team disintegrate is one of my favorite past-times.
And the team we're chasing in the East? Well, they just dropped a conference game to the Saints (who look like the class of the NFC so far). Now we're only one game behind the Giants in the loss column.
So the Cowboys take care of business last week, it wasn't pretty but they got the job done, and then sit back and receive an early Christmas present from the rest of the NFC East.
We've jumped into a tie for second place in the division. But we're also sitting right in the middle of the wild-card race.
Never give up too early on a team, especially a team with a winning record. Next week, the Cowboys get the Falcons, who are 4-1 and serious contenders.
If Dallas can win next week...
Some other takes on the same story from BTB readers here, here and here.
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Today was the best Cowboys bye week ever.
Well, maybe not, but seeing all of the NFC East (except us) lose was amazing. :D
Especially after all of their fans were talking crap about ‘How the Cowboys were pathetic for almost losing to the Redskins’. Minus the Giants, they all lost to bad teams.
Good times. :D also, first.
I must have been absent the day we played the Redskins
How was that game?
Summarizing the Dallas Cowboys in two words; inconsistently amazing.
by sublimezg on Oct 19, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Grizz the skins misery is also one of my favorite past times as well.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
I've been quite negative
Nothing that happened this weekend changes much about how I think this year will turn out. I wouldn’t have predicted Oakland would be Philadelphia but that was the only surprise. I always knew it’s a long season and there are weeks like this. I’ll feel more positive about the Cowboys when they play well for 60 minutes against a good team. And maybe do it 2 weeks in a row. This week will be a good time to start against a pretty good team.
by StillHateTheGiants on Oct 19, 2009 7:34 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
i agree
i don’t see why other teams losing makes the Cowboys’ recent spate of terribleness go away. The Cowboys are mediocre. They lost to a Giants team that got CRUSHED by New Orleans. The Cowboys < The Giants < The Saints That’s supposed to make me happy?
Nope
but, while fix the problem, we are still in it. We picked up ground in the division without playing…
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Wade is in year 7 as a head coach and hasn't fixed it yet
What makes you think he’ll fix it now? I mean, roy williams could catch a 100 balls this year, he still has time, and a bye week to work on it. But i don’t see that happenin’ either.
my wife in
high heels and a very tight skirt makes me happy.
Man, y'all must lead pretty gloomy lives outside of the NFL
If you can’t even be happy about our division rivals losing.
Some people just love being miserable.
And I won’t go out of my way to do anything to change that. Why add additional rain to their parade. Isn’t it great when they tell us they’ve given up, yet they still take time to post for us. Bless their little hearts.
Now, when they actually say something positive, it’s then time to worry.
by Road Warrior on Oct 19, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Dunk!
What the heck? You get lost in Maui or what? How do I get those 4 weeks in paradise vacations?
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"
+1
And what’d you do with badknees?
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by Aaron Novinger on Oct 19, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
On the road
Hawaii and then across the Atlantic. My body has NO IDEA where it is right now…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Uh, you're at the keyboard.
How wierd. I just logged on and went to see if you answered and your answer popped up right as I logged in.
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"
That us weird
but then again, it’s Monday Night Football…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Considering I left the original post 4 hours ago
and haven’t been back on since. Man, Hawaii, then the Atlantic. My Geography is a little rusty but that seems likes two different sides of the planet.
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"
Yeah
like 12 hours difference in time zones. I feel like Benjamin Button…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
That's even brutal on a plane.
So now you’re not only tired, but totally broke.
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"
Exactly
it’s ridiculous to spend three hours waiting for a chance to spend 10 hours on a plane….
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
And if it's anything like my recent trips
a protology exam at the airport for my troubles.
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"
I got that too
after two hours in line. Icing on the cake…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
We shouldn't be all giddy...we haven't played Oakland yet..
Yeah, they are bad, but they have talent, especially on defense. We just barely escaped from a worse KC team…It doesn’t surprise me about NY losing to NO, but I am surprised about how bad it was. NY defense is overrated, especially the pass defense.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Agreed............
the truth is, if Romo hadn’t thrown all those interceptions, we would have easily won that game against the Giants.
+100
The Giants Secondary is in absolute tatters…makes those picks even more hard to swallow
by thejanusman on Oct 19, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
not worried about Oakland at all
We always play well on Thanksgiving, especially Romo.
In Romo we Trust
You're an optimist Dave.
Forgot what you guys look like.
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"
P.S.
I don’t let a little thing like looking shaky early in the season deter me either. Go CowPokes!!!
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"
This will be a big game for the Cowboys
The Falcons are the best team they will have played since the GMen back in week 2. If we limit mistakes, which I think we can, there’s no question in my mind we can beat Atlanta.
In Romo we Trust
I sadly see another hard fought battle between the cowboys and......
THEMSELVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! where the fans are the only loosers…..
ATL
Has some great balance on O, this is going to be a good game. Roddy White and Tony G are going to cause us a lot of problem, especially Gerald S isn’t ready..
Chicago turned it over 3 times and still had a chance at the end. We definitely be in this game, we are much better running team then Chicago. If ATL stacks the box and single covers our WR’s, Romo will have a big day. ATL’s corners are undersized and they can be thrown.
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thrown at or thrown?
because I’d like to see a little of both, personally
Summarizing the Dallas Cowboys in two words; inconsistently amazing.
at..
Me too a little of both wouldn’t hurt..
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the problem is after Romo throws on the cornerbacks,
theres holding penatly, a tripping penalty, illegal hands to the face. Somebody runs the wrong route, drops the ball………………
Can people start giving credit to the Chiefs.
They may not be a playoff contender this year, but they obviously are putting together a string to tough played games. Sure they lost 28 of 30, but last year the Dolphins lost 17 of 18 before things clicked into place.
I’m concerned about the Cowboys, they are too talented to play so undisciplined. If you eliminate 60% of the unforced errors, this team would win by 15 in each game. I will watch though, and I will enjoy. It’s good to be in the conversation than on the outside looking in.
that was one game
prior to the KC game, the Cowboys had the fewest penalties in the league.
I expect the team to have few mistakes against the Falcons.
In Romo we Trust
Please don't rattle off stats with out knowing what your talking about
Dallas was the 18th least penalized team prior to the chiefs game and are currently the 28th most penalized team. Geez. If you can’t be objective at least get your facts straight.
haha......
Of course Wade is the same guy that says we won a playoff game when we had a bye-LOL. Looking at it that way, we are the only ones that won yesterday out of the NFC East. Pretty cool huh?
The Eagles loss was awesome
Everytime they have a game like this I always hope it will derail their season, but instead it seems like they always learn and pull it together from that point. Maybe Wade should do some studying on how Andy Reid prepares his team after a loss like that.
agreed.
The loss means something, but not a lot. They barely made the playoffs and went to the NFC championship game. Their O-line has some obvious problems though, McNabb will not make it if they don’t improve.
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A little objectivity
Look, the losses to the rest of the NFC east was great, but that doesn’t make Wade a better coach and won’t make the cowboys practice harder, it doesn’t make this team any better. This team has played very poorly thus far. Just because the redskins suck, and the eagles and giants lost doesn’t make this team better.
The problem with this team wasn’t being behind the Giants this early in the season. The problem is this team is sloppy, mistake prone and just not prepared to play on a weekly basis.
This
The problem with this team wasn’t being behind the Giants this early in the season. The problem is this team is sloppy, mistake prone and just not prepared to play on a weekly basis.
While this NFCE news is great, it would be foolish to think we get through the season and into the playoffs because of the other teams mistakes.
Summarizing the Dallas Cowboys in two words; inconsistently amazing.
Does anyone else remember this team when it was in it's prime?
back in the mid 90"s it didn’t matter if the Giants won, because we KNEW this team was better, and would be up on anyone when it counted. Now we’re reduced to hoping the rest of the league sucks worse than us?
Welcome to the salary-cap era....
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Oct 19, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions
thats your problem
don’t compare this Cowboys team to the greatest dynasty of all time, no Cowboys team will ever measure up to that team.
I’ll be happy with improvement.
In Romo we Trust
I just don't know how anyone could have a definitive opinion
on how much we suck. What team do you see in the league (besides maybe the Saints) that doesn’t have their fair share of problems? Where does it say that a team has to be perfect to be good? Where is the middle ground between Superbowl and fire the head coach?
Here are all the division leaders. I’m going to analyze them so people can see that this is a tough league and you can still be a good, succesful team even with some flaws. And just so no one gets angry, this is subjective, anecdotal, and only one man’s opinion.
Patriots (4-2): They lost to the Jets by scoring only 9 points and last week lost to the Broncos by 3. Sound familiar? Sure they dominated yesterday but tell me they don’t have concerns about their defense…
Bengals (4-2): A last second loss to the Bronco’s to start the season was forgotten by 4 straight wins, but they lost to the 3-3 Texans yesterday. They seem to be middle of the pack statistically on both O and D and have won a lot of very close games – do they really scare anyone?
Colts (5-0): This team looks pretty good, but what do you expect from them? Peyton always makes them strong in the regular season. Still, they barely beat the Jags and Dolphins, and have beat up on the NFC west and Titans since.
Broncos (5-0): I don’t even want to talk about them haha. Strong D and running game. And I know his win %, but it’s still Kyle Orton, I mean come on…
Giants (5-1): They are good, we know that. But we also know we are capable of beating them and people are now starting to wonder, is their defense that good?
Vikings (6-0): A missed FG by the Ravens and a heroic Brett Favre play keep them undefeated. Their other wins over the Browns, Lions, Packers and Rams aren’t very impressive. Who doesn’t think Brett Favre will wear down over the season?
Saints (5-0): They are awesome, I don’t know how we’d beat them. But that’s the first team I’v thought this about, which isn’t too bad.
49ers (3-2): All I have to say is Shaun Hill is their QB and Gore is injury-prone. But they play in the NFC west so they’ll have a decent record.
So to all the pessimists out there: I agree, we have problems, but show me a team that doesn’t. Just what do you expect at this point in the season in the NFL these days?
by WAREwolf94 on Oct 19, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
very well said
You don’t have to be a really good anymore to make it to the SB, the NFL truly has parity, average to slightly above average teams are the norm anymore.
In Romo we Trust
You left off Atlanta that took care of the Bears last night.
We take care of them, then I will lose some pessimism about the “smarts” of this team. If they go out and make the same stupid penalties and mistakes they have made for the most part of this year then just no.
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
I was only including division leaders
but I agree – the mental mistakes have got to be taken care of for us to be a serious contender. But as long as we can maintain a winning record and get better, we are just as good as anyone.
Only time will tell. I like our chances against the Falcons though, at home, after the bye, after an emotional win.
They take care if the mental mistakes and play up to par, I can take a loss or two.
They mess around and play grab a** football, then I will stay plenty mad at them.
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
Did that coward bye dawk show up yet lol
If not…He would have a big set of balls to ever step a foot inside this blog again..jmho….
He'll show, right now he must either be licking his wounds (fromt he loss) or is hungover (metaphorically) from the loss.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
geez, give him a few hours
I hate Dawk as much as the next guy, but he’s no coward!
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 19, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
who woulda thunk it
… the biggest winners in the NFC East for week 6… the Cowboys.
Oh, and I’d like to trade Chris Canty for Igor Olshansky, straight up. Igor DOES actually PLAY in the games, right?
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 19, 2009 10:19 AM CDT reply actions
Any given Sunday...
The old saying came true this Sunday. That is the best game we didn’t play this year.
True
I’ll take that. We come out and beat Atlanta, and we’re right back in the thick of things.
I love it how when we beat KC in OT, we still stink. But the E-gals lose to the Raiders and they just had a bad day.
by Road Warrior on Oct 19, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
exactly
As I stated yesterday, how was us beating KC in OT worse than Philly losing to the Raiders??
I just don’t get it.
In Romo we Trust
the main difference......
for a lot of people is that we haven’t looked sharp for several games in a row now. It’s not the stinker in KC but the Giants debacle, looking pretty average against the Panthers and pathetic against the Broncos. I’m not being negative but that’s what is making people so mad-not the one game against KC. I’m hoping that the boo-birds do get on :McNabb though.
Grizz, you old softie!
I think maybe the euphoria over the Ga Tech win has seeped over into your Cowboy fandom.
Agreed, no one should jump ship. However, this season is essentially over. We are in it right now, but the way we are playing should make it apparent we are going nowhere. That doesn’t mean to stop rooting for Dallas. It doesn’t mean we can’t make the playoffs. But all the evidence shows this to be another mentally weak, underachieving Dallas team. The level of league parity is no where near that needed for Dallas to have a legit shot at the Super Bowl.
Now we have Atlanta coming to our place. If we contain Turner, Gonzalez, White, and Ryan, maybe I’ll change my tune. However, I doubt we’ll have the mental toughness to avoid shooting ourselves in the foot.
way to
rationalize the Cowboys’ shi&&y first six weeks.
has nothing to do with the first 6 weeks
and how was the 6th week bad, it was great for the Boys, they didn’t lose or play bad and everyone else in the division did.
In Romo we Trust
actually.......
yesterday was the best win day I’ve seen out of the Cowboys this year.. No penalties, no turnovers etc. I’m teasing btw.
This makes me cringe:
However, this season is essentially over. We are in it right now, but the way we are playing should make it apparent we are going nowhere.
If Wade Phillips ever said something like that to the team, I would want him fired immediately. A winning record with 11 games left to play – no way, not at all is the season even close to over.
Why...
Don’t you want him fired immediately anyway? He hasn’t said it, he’s coached the team into this position.
I hope you’re right about the season. However, from a coldly logical perspective, I don’t see much in the way of hope for my Cowboys.
8 of our remaining 11 games are in the “tough” category. 2 are “toss-ups”. 1 is a “should win”. 5 of the 8 "toughies are after November.
Because as I'm sure you've seen from the many reports/arguments about this,
there is no reason to think that firing Wade would help in the slightest. It would be a huge signal to the player’s that Jerry has given up on the season, so why would they work hard to improve?
And someone else made this point but: at what point can we shift the blame from the coaches to the players? They made the same stupid mistakes with Parcells as they do with Wade. A coach can only yell and drill so many times, it is on the player’s to execute.
The tougher the games the better, I want this team to go through hell, learn how to close out tough games and play as a team so that they will be NASTY and FEARED in the postseason.
by WAREwolf94 on Oct 19, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thats not logic, that's opinion
Try to learn the difference.
3-2 headed for the bye week.
by APerfectStar on Oct 21, 2009 2:12 AM CDT up reply actions
No sh*t
The season is essentially over? Uh, when did this happen?
3-2 headed for the bye week.
by APerfectStar on Oct 21, 2009 2:11 AM CDT up reply actions
I know its off topic, but that GT game was just pure awesomeness.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Oct 19, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
The overall point from this weekend is that most of the teams are close enough in talent to where
the “any given sunday” idea is proven; but more to the point is that the teams that play smart football: low penalties, no turnovers, solid execution are what win games. The optomists see this as a good sign that dallas can still win game with a week to week mind set; the other side of the coin sees the problems on our team and it looks like a re-run to where believing in the team is quite a leap of faith. My persoal view at this point in the season is to take each game on its own merit and not look at it as something predictive to the following games.
The other bright spot to this week (besides our rivals losing) is no more bye weeks for the rest of the regular season WHOOOOOHOOOOOOO!!!!
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Would anyone else trade RW...
for the kid out of Texas #84 Goodwin. A true freshman from Rowlett. This kid is the real deal. He looks like he could play in the NFL right now. Call Austin Jerry and see what it takes to get this guy.HeHe
uh, sorry to disappoint you......
he’s just a freshman. Not gonna happen this year because he’s not eligible.
No I don't want to trade one Texas reciever that can barely play in the NFL for one that can't.
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
Well at least Texas beat O who?.
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The best news of the
Shadenfraude has its merits.
The Redskins suck and I love it. Makes a boring, disappointing Cowboys season more tolerable.
LMAO It makes me so happy
Greetings from the Humungus, the Ruler of the Wasteland, the Ayatollah of Rock and Roll-A. I laugh at your puny plans.
by Lord Humungus on Oct 19, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
It's not time to jump ship as a Cowboys fan
But I have a position firmly reserved in the lifeboat. If we crank out 3 consecutive wins and this team looks like it has a clue, I’ll consider believing again.
I’m just sick and tired of Jerry’s incompetence casting a shadow of failure on this team.
Greetings from the Humungus, the Ruler of the Wasteland, the Ayatollah of Rock and Roll-A. I laugh at your puny plans.
As much as I hate to.
I must agree with a future psychopath bent on stealing the last oil platform in Australia.
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
That is the proper attitude.
The season ain’t over until it’s over, but as I said, it’s essentially over. Now, if the Cowboys start playing up to their talent, it ain’t over.
this year
i don’t really care about the first half of season anyway. as long as dallas can stay above .500. my hope is that they get things going down the stretch. we have seen how getting off to a great start translates to post season success. and i know i’m being optimistic but it’s my fantasy world(everyone in my fantasy world eats rainbows and sh!ts skittles). i’m hoping they will work the kinks out and start playing better like i know they can.
by maxdout on Oct 19, 2009 1:11 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
yep, maybe this team will eventually master that trick
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
After
all the crap Romo got for the “3rd down” stuff against Denver …… at least he’s never called a timeout when they had none!
Freakin Donovan.
how about calling time outs after incompletions that same donovan LOL
reminds me of JT O’Sullivan throwing out of bounds to stop the clock on a 4th down
Remember, we had a QB named Pelluer (spelling?) that spiked the ball on fourth down to stop the clock. But who
remembers things like that?
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by Aaron Novinger on Oct 19, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
different topic
I dont know if its good or bad, but Falcons lost one of their starting CB with torn ACL,
nevertheless the guy was 30 years old, they’ll go with a second year player.
The SB Nation falcon site feels that he was one of their playmaking CBs
he was also one of their bigger CBs, the rest are all well below 200lbs.
http://www.thefalcoholic.com/2009/10/19/1091269/report-cb-brian-williams-out-for
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Falcons...
As someone who lives in Atlanta and has to deal with Falcons fans constantly, it is pretty clear that their D can be had. Their secondary is not really that strong and they don’t seem to have any player that they can stick on Witten in the middle of the field. If the Cowboys are smart I think Witten will have a huge day because Olsen and Cutler showed where those cracks lie in the Falcons coverage. I would also make sure to emphasize Miles Austin on those slants because Johnny Knox showed how bad Atlanta’s secondary is at dealing with someone that can get off the line well.
As for our defense, I think it will be difficult to fully stop their offense. If I had to make a gameplan though, I would pop in the same defense more or less that they ran against Carolina. Surely Matt Ryan is better than Jake Delhomme, but the idea of stopping the run and focusing on their top receiver sounds about right to me. Obviously that leaves Tony Gonzalez with some opportunities, but with Sensabaugh hopefully returning, I would prefer to take my chances there than let Turner or White get going.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Oct 19, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I agree with your analysis
If Romo gets any type of decent protection to throw, I see us putting up at least 30 points., minimum. The Falcons have a very good offense as well and therefore, it should be a shootout, maybe the last team with the ball wins.
In Romo we Trust
I'm happy about our division rivals all losing yesterday. I'm also happy about our win going in to the bye week.
Now, I did watch Atlanta beat Chicago last night. If that was Atlants’s ‘A’ game, I think we should beat them. Gotta slow down Gonzales though. Keep that guy out of the middle. The game could turn out to be a showcase for Witten and Gonzales, but maybe Bennett will prove to be the game winner.
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We gotta play our BEST game against Atlanta!
Mistake free, create turnovers, mismatches and score quick and often. Our red zone offense has GOT to improve for us to be successful!
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by Stingah on Oct 19, 2009 3:38 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
More good news.....
Hearing that Jeff Fisher is officially on the hot seat. Of all the coaching candidates, I like him the best should he become available.
by Road Warrior on Oct 19, 2009 3:59 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
So Wolf, what do you think?
I don’t like Cowher or Holmgren for this team. Gun to the head, I guess Shanahan would be who I’d prefer. But now that the owner is making odd comments about Fisher, he’d be the one I’d be targeting (should he leave or get fired).
Fisher’s team is just quitting on him. Yesterday was embarrassing.
by Road Warrior on Oct 19, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
No SuperBowl winning Head Coach has ever won the SB again as HC of another team
Maybe that proves nothing other than that its reallyl tough to win a SB – a lot of things have to go right for you for everything to click in the time you have to prove yourself. (e.g. JJ in Dallas vs Miami, little Bill in Clevand vs NE).
But on balance I would still go with Fisher – he really hasn’t had a great owner behind him and has always got his talent to overachieve.
"Where's Woody? - We need another Darren Woodson
I'd kinda like to see new blood...
We haven’t seemed to go anywhere with the retreads. But with Jerry running the show I don’t think its matters much.
Im tired of the retreads also, but Garrett doesn't get me all warm and fuzzy
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Boy fromOZ your wrong about that no HC ever won with 2 different teams...
Jon Gruden won the SB for Oakland and for Tampa Bay remember???…I was thinking Dick Vermeil won as HC of both the Rams, and the Eagles but he didnt…cant remember if Reeves ever won a SB for the Broncos or the Falcons but at least he took them there…Holmgren won a SB with the Packers, and got smoked in the SB with the SeaHawks…Those coaches are all available today if I dont miss my guess…FEAR THE STAR
by Hawgz, Bugz, and FilthyFowl Hater on Oct 20, 2009 2:04 AM CDT reply actions
that's true......
but he got robbed because of the “Brady tuck-rule.” I’m not an Oakland fan by any means, but in all fairness, Gruden got robbed on that call. Who ever heard of the tuck rule before that?
Regardless
He still would had to have beat a good Steelers team at Heinz Field in the AFC Championship game, Pats pulled it off, not sure the Raiders would have.
In Romo we Trust
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