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What "young" player did Jerry refuse to trade?


Jerry Jones says he listened to trade offers for a "young player" and was offered high draft picks and instant-impact players for him.  He says it wasn't a running back.

 

I'll bet it was Bennett!!!!  That guys got a HUGE upside! (I wouldn't have objected to the trade--if it produced a #1).

 

But I wouldn't trade him for a #2 (if that's indeed the player in question).  That's what we drafted him for, and that was a STEAL!

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If we believe Jones and it wasn’t a RB then it was Ware, Ratliff, or James. Bennett isn’t going to get you a number 1 or 2 pick. He hasn’t shown that much yet. Most likely it was Ware. Another team probably figured that because his contract was coming up they could get him from Dallas.

by jack dein on Oct 21, 2009 6:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dude, no body is giving up high draft picks for James and he isnt exactly young....no way it was him

It was probably Bennett, Scandrick, Ware or Ratliff

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by Boyzfan94 on Oct 22, 2009 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It wasn't Scandrick

Ware or Ratliff IMO, probably Ware

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by Terry on Oct 22, 2009 7:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Bet somebody offered a 2nd rounder….maybe combined with a 5th or 6th also.

by Thehomerpimpson on Oct 21, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Jets were looking at him in the off-season

by Dansonofdirm on Oct 22, 2009 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

with a second round tender tag on him, I wonder how close they were to offering him a deal.

by Thehomerpimpson on Oct 22, 2009 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd guess it was ware

I can’t imagine anyone offering too much for austin, bennet or any “young guy” aside from felix and maybe possibly spencer. I doubt teams would give up an “instant impact” guy for anyone else.

I’d bet some team was hoping with the contract issue and lack of productivity, they could steal ware from us.

Jerry shouldn’t talk about this.

by foyesboys on Oct 21, 2009 6:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Jerry shouldn’t talk about this.

He sounds like a braggart.

Gotta stay cool, Jerrah!

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by accidental innuendo on Oct 21, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't imagine it was Ware...

…mainly because Jones said this rumored trade would have given us “a first or second round pick,” and Ware is arguably the best defensive player in the NFL—at least based on last year’s numbers—and no one is gonna insult us by offering anything other than a #1 for him—if not two #1s.

You might be right about Spencer, although I wouldn’t exactly call Bradie James a “young” player anymore.

And I agree: Don’t talk about this stuff publicly, Jones. I can only hope he’s trying to fire them up by saying, “You’re my team, guys! I have faith in you! I’m not gonna mess with the chemistry anymore!”

by JohnnyRender on Oct 21, 2009 7:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

no way it was ware.....

I think it was bennent….

by scandrick32 on Oct 21, 2009 8:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You guys should pay attention to Jerry Speak

“Young player” to Jerry means someone that isn’t an everyday starter but could be. Players like Ware and Rat are young guys but veterans.

I’m guessing Bennett for sure.

by mhuff13 on Oct 21, 2009 10:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Probably the Raiders

looking for Austin. Davis loves wide outs with speed and he’s one owner stupid enough to offer a #1 for Austin.

The other player it could have been was Jenkins or Scandrick…the #2 lingo makes more sense in both cases rather than #1 but they are young players with some positive tape on file and considered to have significant upside.

Too bad we’ll never know for sure.

by Kansas Cowboy on Oct 21, 2009 10:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bennett
As league insiders try to divine the identity of the Cowboys player who supposedly was the subject of recent trade talks, the early speculation focuses on tight end Martellus Bennett.

At first, the speculation centered on Bennett and cornerback Orlando Scandrick. But, currently, the signs are pointing to Bennett.

Bennett was a second-round pick in 2008. He’s stuck on the depth chart behind veteran Jason Witten.

Earlier today, owner Jerry Jones disclosed that he received a trade offer for one of the team’s young players, but that Jones declined to do the deal. Jones said that the offer was not made for one of the team’s three talented tailbacks.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/21/trade-talk-speculation-focuses-on-martellus-bennett/

Lombardi thinks it was Ware

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by Boyzfan94 on Oct 22, 2009 12:29 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

especially considering that he hasn’t a signed a new contract yet

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by Terry on Oct 22, 2009 7:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Adam Schefter

alluded to it being MartyB on Mike and Mike in the morning this morning.

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by Wmillion on Oct 22, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did some poking around.....

I know Jerry said it wasn’t for a RB, but rumor has it that it was for Choice. Apparently, the Texans offered a 2nd and 4th round pick for Choice. Jerry said it was a good offer and if this is true it was….

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by Boyzfan94 on Oct 22, 2009 12:41 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Jerryspeak

If Jerry says ‘not a running back’, to his way of thinking this could simply mean that he considers Choice a ‘halfback’. I’ve long given up trying to make sense out of his ruminations.

by One.Cool.Customer on Oct 22, 2009 4:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm going with the dark horse on this one

Doug Free.

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by dunkman on Oct 22, 2009 7:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

From MartyB's Twitter this morning...
Ha the bengals tried to trade for me?ochocinco Marty b woulda been a ruckus. I love being a cowboy tho this is home I love this team.

I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
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by Aaron Novinger on Oct 22, 2009 8:14 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

correct...Mortenson is now reporting it was Cinci

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by Boyzfan94 on Oct 22, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mort

Chris Mortensen on Twitter:

The team that wanted Martellus Bennett was the Bengals (remember they lost Ben Utecht in preseason). The Cowboys said no.

by scottmaui on Oct 22, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not me...

I like what we got in bennent..Who knows if that first rd pick would amount to anything…

by scandrick32 on Oct 22, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True, but at some point when Bennetts contract is up

a big decision may have to be made. If Bennett turns into a very good TE when his contract is nealy done a really tough decision will have to be made whether to pay Bennett or not. Witten may be the one that may have to be traded. You figure by that time Wittens contract will also be near the end. He will be older and looking for a new deal….thats going to be a tough one

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by Boyzfan94 on Oct 22, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no it won't

Witten is a future HOFer and will always be superior to Bennett. Jerry will never allow Witten to be anything other than a Cowboy.

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by Terry on Oct 22, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

really Terry..really....

Emmitt Smith…..Larry Allen….?? Hello…..Business is business……it can and it may happen

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by Boyzfan94 on Oct 22, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are we sure

It was a 1st rounder that was offered?

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by Wmillion on Oct 22, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

apparently they said on DC.com Jerry mentioned a first or second rounder

If it was a second no way because thats what we spent on him…if it was a first, he probably really considered it since it will be a top 15 pick more than likely.

.

"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham

by Boyzfan94 on Oct 22, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you think about it..

They knew Jerry would’nt have parted with Bennett anything less than a 2nd…..if not a first, maybe they were offering a 2nd and a 3rd or 4th for him…

"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham

by Boyzfan94 on Oct 22, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

true.

I think it would have been a smart trade for Cincy..

Cincy would have looked like geniuses, you pair him with that WR core, and Carson—Damage!!

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by Wmillion on Oct 22, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

when its over they will..its going to be a top 20 pick

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by Boyzfan94 on Oct 23, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Terry, I think you are right, but Jerry'sloyalty to his guys is not a good thing in a GM

Not saying it would be the right move, but if Bennett could be locked up cheaper than Witten, it would have to be considered given their age differences

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by Seanrude on Oct 22, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think with Witten it would be

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by Terry on Oct 22, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't disagree with any of that, but it still may be the right move to let him walk

Again, we have no idea where they both will be, but if Marty B ever plays up to his potential on a consistent basis, and given that he is a few years younger, most well run teams would at least strongly consider it

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by Seanrude on Oct 22, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would take a first round pick for basically a blocking TE...because basically thats all he is right now..

Jump all over that in a NY minute…

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by Boyzfan94 on Oct 22, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ignorance

Warrants no response

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by iCowboy on Oct 22, 2009 11:17 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

no just smart...

get a potential top 15 pick in return for a second what we gave for Bennett is pretty good. We are going to need as many top picks in the draft as we can get…we potentially have alot of needs in the offseason.

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by Boyzfan94 on Oct 22, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is Bennett's 2nd year

And he has enormous potential, he hasn’t tapped that potential, probably won’t, but if he does he goes from being a late 1st – 2nd Rounder to an extremely high 1st trade target.

Waiting is the right call as you have to remember that he’s signed for 4 years.

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by Chandus on Oct 22, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought

U were reffering to Wittenberg not Bennett.

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by iCowboy on Oct 22, 2009 6:17 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Damn phone!

Witten sorry ha

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by iCowboy on Oct 22, 2009 6:17 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

in our offensive system

a good blocking TE is more important than you are giving it credit for, it’s like having having an extra OL on the field.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Oct 22, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Terry we didnt draft Bennett to be a freaking blocking TE

If thats all they think of him as Jerry shouldve pulled the trade and recieved a first round pick..

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by Boyzfan94 on Oct 23, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not all they think of him or they would have made the trade

The fact that they didn’t trade means they have bigger plans for him

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by BishopWest on Oct 23, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never said we did

regarding his receiving production, you have to be patient and give him another year or so to develop those skills better, but right now, he’s an awesome blocker so we need him in that regard for this season.

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by Terry on Oct 23, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This.

We could package 2 first rounders and maybe some later picks if we had to in order to move up and get either Berry or Mays. This team needs a ball-hawking safety. I would have made that trade in a heartbeat, if that’s indeed what was offered.

Jimmy Johnson for GM.

by txhc on Oct 22, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the days of us using first rounders on a safety are over.....

No way I use multiple picks on a safety, and your out your mind if you think Berry or Mays are worth 2 first rounders……We need a WR next year..

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by Boyzfan94 on Oct 23, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jerry said in his PC this week

that as of right now he’s very happy with our WR corp and definitely would not be looking at WR in the first rd in next years draft.

I personally think everything hinges on Austin, if he has a breakout season and continues to be an explosive playmaker, we’re not looking at WR day one of the draft.

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by Terry on Oct 23, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your first mistake is believing what Jerry says...

Truth is Hurd, Austin and both on one year deals..Crayton has one foot out the door so drafting a WR is a real possibilty.

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by Boyzfan94 on Oct 24, 2009 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're crazy.

We need a safety WAY more than we need a WR. Berry or Mays are worth 2 first rounders, Berry especially. Look at just about every really good defense in the league, what do they all have in common? Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Denver (this year)…People overlook this position for some reason and I just don’t understand it. Also, I assume you’re taking a shot at Roy Williams in saying we’ll never use a first rounder on a safety again. Well, that’s a stupid reason not to, Roy was never the type of safety these two guys are. All he ever did was put big hits on people and stop the run, he was never a ball-hawking type of safety.

Jimmy Johnson for GM.

by txhc on Oct 23, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your off your rocker if you think Jerry is giving up two first rounders for any player...LMAO!!

most definately not a safety. I think Jerry learned after RW it’s not worth the money using a high draft pick on a safety. Hamlin isn’t going anywhere and if Sensabaugh turns out to be a good one then he will be rewarded with a new contract after the season….Get it out of your head. We are NOT using a first round pick on a safety, just not happening…..with Hurd and Austin on 1 year deals and Crayton on his way out we need a WR…it’s time for Jerry to invest in a stud WR instead of these 7th rounders, UFA’s, and projects.

It’s time we go get that Desean Jackson type player to play the slot that would scare the crap out of defenses. Pair that type of player up with Austin and RW and Felix out of the backfield and that’s some weapons. Hopefully, Austin turns into that type of player, but right now the only player that has showed he can stretch the field on a consistant basis is Felix Jones.

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by Boyzfan94 on Oct 24, 2009 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well I'm just going to have to disagree with you.

No disrespect man, I just think we need a safety more than anything right now. We could also use a WR and a LT, but a good free-safety is a way more pressing need in my mind. There has been a giant hole back there ever since Woodson left. Hamlin is pure shit, it’s not our fault as fans that Jerry blew his wad after one half decent season and decided to give him that ridiculous contract. Hamlin doesn’t have one pick 6 in his career, and he can’t tackle worth a damn. I don’t care if he’s one of the highest paid safeties in the league, he isn’t worth it, he’s a liabilty back there and we need to find a worthwhile replacement. Especially since you’ve got two can’t miss guys in Berry/Mays coming out that fit that bill. Guys that can smear people, and pick off passes and take them to the house. Straight ball-hawking center fielders. We can live with what we’ve got at LT and WR for another year, and see what’s out there in the draft next year. When you have a hole that needs to be filled desperately and two of the best players at said position are coming out in the same draft you have to go for one of them. Jerry is a fool if he doesn’t, it’s such a gaping hole anybody can see it.

Jimmy Johnson for GM.

by txhc on Oct 24, 2009 3:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Safety might be a bigger need or not, but the point is..

If Sensabaugh is giving a new contract we will not be using a high draft pick on a safety. There would be no reason to. We also have Michael Hamlin developing….Mays and Berry may be good, but there aren’t worth two high draft picks…

"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham

by Boyzfan94 on Oct 24, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Berry is definitely worth two first round picks...

Just not ours…

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Oct 25, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

days of giving up 2 #1 picks are in the past...your not going to see that anytime soon

definately not a safety……OMG no how, no way…lol

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by Boyzfan94 on Oct 26, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I THINK

Cincy was offering Roy Williams, Tank Johnson, and they would send a player to Detroit who would send Anthony Henry to Dallas, for Bennett….

by stephena on Oct 22, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do the deal!!!

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by 5Blings on Oct 22, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Process of Elimination: Doug Free

I certainly got the feeling that it was a player that the trading team felt was dispensable for the Cowboys. Therefore, a player that is perhaps a little less recognizable, a non-starter, or at least not on top of the depth chart. This would be…Bennett, or Free on offense, or likely Scandrick on defense.

We have too much need at WR for a team to think they could convince us to trade Austin, coming off his career game.

Sounded like Jerry was surprised by the offer, and had to put some thought into it. I wouldn’t be surprised if a contending team threw a pick out there to shore up a need position. Aside from QB, what position is often times considered the most difficult to fill?

We have a #2 already invested in Bennett, and he is a big part of our offense given the number of 2-TE sets that we use. I just dont’ think it was Bennett, even though he has yet to emerge as an offensive playmaker.

Scandrick is a solid player at an important position, but I think you could get a veteran from a non-contending team for much less (in terms of draft picks) if you truly had a need to fill.

Did anyone else sense that it was a little odd that Jerry would bring up Doug Free’s name when Doug has contributed so little in his 2+ years? I certainly did. There are a number of (contending) teams that are struggling due to injuries on their offensive line. Could a GM have made a call to Tony Sparano to get the “scoop” on Doug Free?

Therefore, my guess is that someone offered their #2 for OT, Doug Free.

I also agree that Jerry doesn’t need to talk about this, but I think he is trying to motivate the team by showing his willingness to keep his core group of young players together even when sound offers are made.

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by CowboyCrazy on Oct 22, 2009 9:28 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

High picks and impact players for... Martellus Bennett?!?

If they were offered “high draft picks” and “instant impact players,” there’s no way in hell it was Bennett. The guy certainly has some potential, but come on… What has he done in this league so far? 4 catches for 40 yards this year? Obviously, he’s behind Witten, but he still sees the field often enough to have far better production than that.

The only young player on that team that would garner “high picks and instant impact players” is Demarcus Ware.

by Bye, Dawk :( on Oct 22, 2009 9:31 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

incorrect

Ratliff is another one…what a steal this guy was in the 7th round jeeezzzz…

by scandrick32 on Oct 22, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

some would say Scandrick too for where he was drafted

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by Boyzfan94 on Oct 22, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey!

Pick up yer game, ya bum!

Everything's looking up, Milhouse!

by accidental innuendo on Oct 22, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

some would say Scandrick too for where he was drafted

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by Boyzfan94 on Oct 22, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t really consider him to be that “young,” but now that I look, I guess he’s only 1 year older than Ware. Personally, I think he’s been your best defensive player this season (despite what his numbers might suggest). I’m a big Ratliff fan (actually fan is the wrong word because he’s got the Cowboy stink on him). Let’s just say I like his game a lot.

So you’re right… He’d be worth a lot in return, too.

by Bye, Dawk :( on Oct 22, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He pick??

Couldn’t that be 2nd or 3rd?

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by Wmillion on Oct 22, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually it was Bennett

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Oct 22, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was Bennett..If you watched him he has first round talent....

the problem is he is stuck behind the best TE in the game…If Cinci was offering a first round pick I would’ve jumped all over it…Garrett is not using him like the vertical threat he can be so we might as well trade him…the guy is big, fast and athletic.

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by Boyzfan94 on Oct 22, 2009 9:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

First round talent?

Eh… not so sure about that one.

by Bye, Dawk :( on Oct 22, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

um yeah.....there aren't too many 6'6 TE's that are fast and cut like a WR in this league..Bennett is that type of TE

Cinci wants a vertical threat TE for Carson Palmer. He just needs playing time and he can be one of the best TE’s in the game.

"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham

by Boyzfan94 on Oct 22, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see it... Lots of players have size, speed, and whatever else...

His height and speed combo sure isn’t yielding results yet…

2008 (16 games) – 20 catches, 283 yards, 4 TD
2009 (5 games) – 4 catches, 40 yards, 0 TD

If he’s a “first round talent,” I don’t care who is ahead of him on the depth chart or how he’s being used… He needs more production than that. And he’s getting plenty of playing time.

I’ll be really interested to see what the Bengals offered if this rumor is indeed true.

by Bye, Dawk :( on Oct 22, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not yielding results because he is behind the best TE in the game..

and we are not using two TE set ups. Can’t do a whole lot for your stats when you are not on the field….its not like he has been on the team for 5 years…this is his second year

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by Boyzfan94 on Oct 22, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we are

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by Terry on Oct 22, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes we are running the 2 TE..

However Bennent has been used more as a blocking te from what I have seen

by scandrick32 on Oct 22, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah if you want to call it that....

Staying in blocking is not using the 2 TE set up very well IMO…

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by Boyzfan94 on Oct 22, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

then you don't know offense that well

We run our best out of 2 TE sets.

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by Terry on Oct 22, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah if you call Bennett in blocking our best than are offense is in bad shape...

probably the reason we are 3-2 and nearly 2-3….Remember Terry, I played on the defense side of the ball in HS and College so I think I know a little something about offense….. lol

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by Boyzfan94 on Oct 22, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well...

Bennent is a big reason our running game has been so successful so far…I would love too see him more involved in the passing game as well but that will come as we go here

by scandrick32 on Oct 22, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously?

If you can get a #1 for a player who isn’t tops on your depth chart with needs like OT, WR and safety being unadressable through free agency, OMG, trade Marty now.

The only worry is that Cincy is playing over their heads and the pick could be in the bottom 12.

Imagine getting a Terrence Cody and Arrellious Benn to start off your draft. Or how about Eric Berry and Bryan Bulaga? Maybe Russel Okung and Taylor Mays?

Come on…you sometimes have to do those things to keep your team competitive. This isn’t, as it stands today, a Super Bowl squad, so why not build one?

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by 5Blings on Oct 22, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

but it could be one soon

Jerry feels this team could get there this season and I have to agree

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by Terry on Oct 22, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not me

concerns on the O-line, at WR and in the secondary make me think there isn’t enough front line talent in some key spots as well as depth at areas we’ve beleaguered on this blog to make it over the hump.

That said, the new head coach is going to want some toys that they picked out for themself. Two #1’s would be a good way to start.

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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Oct 22, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

there have been teams to win SBs

with a lot less talent at those positions. It’s not about having the most talent, it’s about playing the best as a team.

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by Terry on Oct 22, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

But Dallas hasn’t shown that very often in the Winnie era…

by Lombardi.times.5 on Oct 26, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and having talent always helps

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by Seanrude on Oct 26, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For God's sake this.

A first rounder for Bennett and Jerry said no? Come on, man! A two tight end set is a luxury that most teams don’t have, it’s not even necessary. Nice to have, but I’d much rather have Mays or Berry, even if we had to trade both of our first rounders to move up that high. Plus I have to agree, I think Cincy might be playing over their heads and we might not even have to trade the pick and still wind up in a good spot to take one of those guys. If a first rounder was really offered, then my God why didn’t Jerry pull the trigger?

Jimmy Johnson for GM.

by txhc on Oct 22, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

actually in our offense

2 really good TEs in our offensive system is a necessity.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Oct 23, 2009 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why?

To run block? That’s what fullbacks are for. Because they haven’t really done anything with it in the passing game, not to say they won’t or can’t though. Like I said, it’s nice to have and gives us a different look, but given the choice between having two really good tight ends or a ball-hawking center-fielder of a safety give me the latter all day. If all of our RB’s can stay healthy then the run game will take care of itself. Besides, I’m tired of watching crappy play by our secondary, and I think having that type of safety would solve a ton of problems as far as that goes.

Jimmy Johnson for GM.

by txhc on Oct 23, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes

2 TEs is a better way to run than having a FB unless you have one of the best blocking FBs in the league and we don’t

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Oct 25, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

at this point

are the key words.

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by Terry on Oct 23, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

one of them will get traded or cut at some point....

You can count on that…if MB turns out to be that good we won’t be able to keep both…thats just the truth…either Witten get’s traded or released or MB at some point…We released Emmiit, and LA so it most definately can happen with Witten….

"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham

by Boyzfan94 on Oct 24, 2009 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are the elite tight ends really paid that highly on the open market?

Certainly top flight tight ends get paid significantly less than elite players at the truly coveted positions like great pass rushing OLB/DE, corner or left tackle. Then there’s receivers like Bernard Berrian and backs like Barber and Turner that command as much if not more money on the open market as the best tight ends even before they’ve really put up elite-type production.

Impossible would be trying to pay two elite pass rushers like Ware and Peppers with the type of contracts their position demands. Tight ends not so much.

The thing with Martellus is even when he starts to peak as a receiver he’ll still get less opportunities than Witten so I just can’t imagine other teams willing to overpay for a guy who’s unknown in terms of production; especially at the tight end position. Besides, Witten’s only 27 so I see no reason why he can’t play at the same level for at least another 5-6 years.

by MadMick on Oct 24, 2009 4:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

then you should know a 2 TE set

is a great formation to run out of

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Oct 22, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, but Witten is staying in and blocking now too

We’re not using either of our TEs, and if they are going out into patterns, Romo’s not throwing to them.

Not sure why. Hope it changes.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Oct 22, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, isn't the answer obvious? Look at the WR's

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Oct 22, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the ovious answer to me is because he is open the most

I don’t think thats a knock on our receivers, but to the greatness of Witten, the dude just can flat get open.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Oct 22, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

While our WR's generally can't.

Witten’s great, but he’s averaging 9.3 ypc. We would be better off if our WR’s could get open further down the field, which in general they aren’t, unless Miles is for real.

by Joon on Oct 22, 2009 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look at his last 2 games,and look at his average YPA

It’s down versus previous years.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Oct 22, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you can't go by 2 games, too small of a sample

By the ned of the season, he’ll have around 90 receptions, 900 yards and 7-8 TDs as usual.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Oct 22, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But that is not enough

….for the Cowboys to win or for you to win the bet.

The loss of #81’s production is being felt.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Oct 22, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not true on both counts

I guarantee you if T.O. was still on the team our offense wouldn’t be anymore productive, and actually I think it would be less productive.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Oct 22, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We

Miss TO love him or hate him we miss him. Let’s see what miles can do though now that he got the nod. Maybe he’ll make us forget

Texas Stadium has a hole in the roof so God can watch his favorite team play football.

by iCowboy on Oct 22, 2009 6:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I think you should clarify that as, "we miss the 2007 version of TO"

I don’t miss the 2008 version at all, and don’t want any part of the 2009 TO.

by mdlusk on Oct 23, 2009 1:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no we don't

we don’t miss T.O. at all, the player we actually miss is Greg Ellis, he’s actually productive.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Oct 23, 2009 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thats not saying much Terry....

Witten has 2 TDs for the year and is less productive this season than in seasons past…

"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham

by Boyzfan94 on Oct 23, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

so far, but that will change as will Romo's numbers

by the end of the season, they will have their normal stats.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Oct 23, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jerry must think Bennett will be Witten's replacement at some point

We could have the best two TE set in the league if Garrett used them correctly….

"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham

by Boyzfan94 on Oct 22, 2009 9:40 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

One big mystery to me

is why we have not unleashed Marty B. Besides Felix, he was the player I was most looking forward to watching exploit D’s this year.

by grey9er on Oct 22, 2009 9:51 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bennett has to study his playbook better

thats the problem

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by Terry on Oct 22, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree, but he is real young....he will improve..

"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham

by Boyzfan94 on Oct 22, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bengals fan here

I think we offered a 1st and WR Jerome Simpson
or a 2nd and WR Chris Henry

"Ghiaciuc's play was a distraction"

by firstPick on Oct 22, 2009 12:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If that was the offers then I would take the 1st and Simpson. Henry has all the tools but can’t stay out of trouble and we just got done cleaning those type of players out this offseason. Plus having 2 first round picks would have allowed us to get a playmaking WR or a LT in the draft.

by jack dein on Oct 22, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or a SAFETY

Like Eric Berry or Taylor Mays.

Jimmy Johnson for GM.

by txhc on Oct 22, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep, word is it was Henry and a 2nd rounder

I’m guessing we couldn’t make the Henry move because our recent effort to get better character guys in the locker room. Henry would have been a regression. Plus he hasn’t shown much at all this year, despite Carson Palmer’s preseason raves about him. Much like Bennett, actually, although Bennett has been blocking well, as was mentioned above.

I’m surprised that we didn’t do it, but not overly disappointed. I think Martellus helps us this year and I haven’t given up on this season yet. And I still believe he can be an excellent player for us, if Tony agrees to throw to him and not soley look right.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Oct 22, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't consider doing that

for the reasons you mentioned. Chris Henry isn’t a step in the right direction for this team. Bennet at the least has shown hes a pretty good blocker this year and I think he’ll start prodcing sometime soon.

A first rounder i’d have to consider, but i wouldn’t give any thought to henry + a second.

A first rounder could be used to build up ol, safety, lb, wr depth which we could use.

by foyesboys on Oct 22, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really like Henry....2nd and Henry...yeah i wouldve been real tempted

Henry is big, fast and would’ve brought a dimension to this offense we couldve used..

"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham

by Boyzfan94 on Oct 22, 2009 12:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

He’s the Pacman Jones of Wide Receivers.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Oct 22, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

He’s the Pacman Jones of Wide Receivers.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Oct 22, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

stop it

Pacman cant get out of his own way.
Chris Henry hasnt been convicted of anything in the last 2 years. While Pacman cant even get a job in the CFL

"Ghiaciuc's play was a distraction"

by firstPick on Oct 22, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They made it RAINNNNNNNNNNNNN together!

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Oct 22, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pacman was never convicted...period...so what exactly is your subjective demarcation of okay vs. not okay?

What distinction are you trying to make between them?

A piece of crap can be spray painted sky blue, but it is still a piece of crap.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Oct 22, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if you HAD to take either Pacman or Henry on your team right now, who would it be?

"Ghiaciuc's play was a distraction"

by firstPick on Oct 22, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

O crap, I don't know....

….I’m turning blue just thinking about it………….

Winning takes talent, to repeat takes character. - John Wooden

by BishopWest on Oct 22, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man Factor...

… I think we all love MartyB’s potential, but did Jerry know what kind of character we were getting when he was drafted?

I’m afraid of what this guy might turn into if he ever does start to post big numbers. That and the contract that his ego will require if he emerges as one of the top young TE’s in the game.

It would be interesting to know what the guys in the locker room think of him. It’s good to have guys like MartyB keep things loose, but he comes across as a prima donna in the making, and I certainly would not think of him as indespencible.

As long as Witten is healthy and locked up long-term, I would have had no problem with Jerry moving MartyB for a #1.

Cowboy Up!

by CowboyCrazy on Oct 22, 2009 1:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

MartyB is not geting enough credit...

He is a big reason out running game has been a success so far…No we have not seem him making plays in the passing game, but we will. If you did trade him away who is going to replace him in the 2 TE sets? We have no one on the roster who can replace what he does for our run game right now, and he will no doubt make an impact in the passing game as the season rolls on. This guy has to much upside to trade away right now imo.

by scandrick32 on Oct 22, 2009 1:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

22 package

Despite his lack of catches, Bennett is a big part of the reason we’re #3 in rushing right now.

check this out…

Football 301: Decoding Garrett – Week 5 by Bob Sturm

He talks about how the Boys are dominating on the ground behind their 22 package (2 RB, 2 TE, 1 WR) where they clearly show they are going to run and still gain huge ypc, and he breaks down three big runs vs. KC that were all variations on the same play, including Choice’s TD run, where Witten and Bennett do a great job sealing off the lane and allowing Choice to scoot through and face (and beat) the S one-on-one.

I’m hoping and expecting Bennett to have a greater role in the passing game at some point soon, but I agree he’s not getting enough credit for what he’s doing for the running game.

by scottmaui on Oct 22, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Witten and Bennett are superior run blocking TEs

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Oct 22, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If they offered a 1 or 2 now

Then he should be worth at least that in the off season. Especially if he steps his game up and/or is given more opportunities the rest of the season.

by John Boy on Oct 22, 2009 4:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I can see this too.

If we can get a 1 for him in the offseason I say it’s a no-brainer. He’s good, but we have other needs that could be filled by having 2 first round picks. We could trade them and move up to get one of the ball-hawking safeties we’ve been needing since Woodson left, or we could take a LT and a receiver, so many options with 2 first rounders. I like Martellus, but for a number one pick? Bye.

Jimmy Johnson for GM.

by txhc on Oct 22, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

problem is

Bennet is a weapon and has proven to be a pretty good run blocker. If you trade bennet, we’re suddenly looking at one te, 3 wr sets and i’m not sure i’d like to see more of crayton. We lose in both the passing game and run game in that situation i think.

A first rounder would definitely be tempting, but i don’t see it as a no brainer. Trading one of your limited number of offensive weapons in a season where you’re looking to get a playoff win to get over that hump is risky.

by foyesboys on Oct 22, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am glad

We haven’t even scratched the surface on MartyB.. Dallas has a lot of toys and some solid depth no reason to ruin that. I’ll take the ascending pro player vs pick.

If they could have offered a solid LT and a pick, I might have considered that.

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by Wmillion on Oct 22, 2009 11:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It should have been Terrance Newman, period!

RL Dixon Jr

by cboyfolife on Oct 23, 2009 1:44 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

that is dumb

we would have been screwed if we traded him

by quincyyyyy on Oct 24, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah and throw Crayton in as a bonus also..lol

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by Boyzfan94 on Oct 23, 2009 11:33 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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