FISH on FOOTBALL: A Cowboys Buffet With a Side of What's Jerry Thinking?
by Mike Fisher on Oct 22, 2009 2:00 AM CDT
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FISH on FOOTBALL Cowboys notes package: Talking receivers, familiar foes from Atlanta, foot and head injuries...plus a What's Jerry Thinking? segment.
It is written by ESPN: Based on production, one could make the case that Miles Austin (15 catches, 331 yards, three touchdowns) and Patrick Crayton (15 catches, 243 yards, one touchdown) should be the starters with Roy Williams (11 catches, 214 yards, one touchdown) relegated to the third receiver role. Two points here: One, I'm comfortable starting Roy Williams not because of what I gave up to acquire him but because I think he's a better player than Patrick Crayton. And two, "based on production''? We're five games into the season and these three jokers each have two or three catches per game and somebody dares consider this "production''?
Almost 20 years now and I still haven't figured out Jerry's motivation here. "We had a significant offer for a key player that we turned down, and turned down in getting in more extended dialogue for," Jones said of the uneventful passing of Wednesday's NFL trade deadline. "So we did have that kind of activity ... but I shouldn't name the player or the team. It was a very firm, significant offer for one of our young players that we had a chance for a lot of consideration if we had wanted to take it, and we didn't." OK, but ... why didn't you take it? What was it? If we're not to know those details, why even discuss it? The cynic might suggest that Jerry talks like this - and has always talked like this - because it makes him sound like the powerbroker that he is. But we already know he is a powerbroker, so. ... Heck, I'll never figure this one out.
Where's your head, foot and emotions:
1. Where's your emotions? They are positioned at inside linebacker, where Keith Brooking (along with Jay Ratliff) has been Dallas' best defender ... and will this week be opposing the Falcons team he grew up watching and then played a dozen years for. New return man Allen Rossum played five seasons in Atlanta, and Wade used to coach there. But Brooking is the guy to harness up in this department.
2. Where's your foot? Well, it's got a fracture in it. It's D-Ware's foot, and nobody is being very specific about this "minor'' injury (he'll play with it Sunday) ... but depending on how long it's been bothering him, we might have an explanation for his subpar play.
3. Where's your head? Man, if I was the coach, and Crayton came to me and said, "Why didn't you inform me that you've benched me?,'' I would've replied, "Son, you just basically told me that you haven't studied film of the KC game.'' And I'd shove him in front of a projector.
Historically speaking: We've all probably observed that a good coaching staff becomes even better when given extra time to prepare, such as in cases like the bye week. That's been the case in Dallas. The Cowboys' record following the bye week to 15-5 and is 6-1 when following the bye with a home game. Which of course begs the question: Is this a good coaching staff?
Back-to-back wins?: Prepare to be stunned by the realization that if the Cowboys top Atlanta this weekend, the Cowboys will have won consecutive games for the first time since Weeks 12 and 13 last year. I mean, I know we knew that ... but it's still a stunner to me.
The South shall rise ... someday: Everything is supposed to even out, right? It's a long season, so the calls even out, the opponents even out, the home-and-road thing evens out. ... But there is no debating that during this NFL cycle, getting to oppose the NFC South is an advantage of imbalance. The Cowboys already have wins against South have-nots Carolina and Tampa, and if they get another one against Atlanta (not that these Falcons are have-nots), Dallas will move to 49-22 all-time against teams from that division.
First downs vs. third downs: So far this year, the Cowboys are gaining 7.06 yards per play. That's outstanding, and good for second in the NFL. But when the situation tightens up, so does the Dallas productivity. When that same offense moves from first down into third down, it drops from second on the NFL to 18th in the NFL. And when that same offense moves inside the 20, the Cowboys slip to 20th in the NFL.
You want ‘tough'?: So one minute, writers (and some fans, and maybe some players) want Wade Phillips to be more ruthless, to be tougher, to quit being so avuncular. Then he benches Patrick Crayton without giving Patrick a hug, bouncing him on his knee, or telling him a bedtime story. Isn't that exactly the "ruthless toughness'' we were asking for just 60 seconds ago?
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Uno!
“All too easy…” with everybody else asleep.
Anyway, maybe the Boys can now go on a gasp winning streak! But no, that’s against league rules. We’d be fined the cost of the stadium. It’s all Jerry’s fault, of course. Oh, and Wade’s…better throw Romo in there, too.
by mdlusk on Oct 22, 2009 2:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe
Atlanta is pretty good, so we’ll have to see if they can win against a quality opponent.
but even if Dallas loses all they have to do is make the playoffs, if they do that this win/loss pattern wont matterby AustonianAggie on Oct 22, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the point is
to make the playoffs, the Cowboys will have to put together a string of wins, at least three in a row, so Sunday would be a great place to start.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 22, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if Dallas won 3 in a row, i don’t even know if I’d recognize this team
by AustonianAggie on Oct 22, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Losing isn't really
the sort of catalyst that propels teams into the playoffs.
by Joey2zs on Oct 22, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right after Austin's breakout game versus KC
we had quite a few bloggers making derogatory statements about the coaching staff and how idiotic and clueless they are, and how they would never have the balls to bench Crayton and start Austin. Well, it looks like the naysayers were wrong.
Now it looks like some Dallas coach has balls, and some bloggers have egg on their face.
(No need to name the bloggers……………….you know who you are.)
Winning takes talent, to repeat takes character. - John Wooden
by BishopWest on Oct 22, 2009 2:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just an observation
after a tough loss (basically any game where the Cowboys don’t win by 20+ points), four types of posts regularly appear on this site in the following order:
- “[insert player/coach/owner/girlfriend/…] sucks, time for them to go”, preferably written with poor spelling and/or chat-acceptable spelling.
- “Time For [insert any player 3rd or lower on the depth chart] To Start”
- “My Thoughts On What Went Wrong Against The [insert opponent’s name here]”, often struggling to meet the 75 word minimum. In it’s long form this type of post is often headlined “Why I Give Up”
- "Why Everything’s Going To Be Fine" frequently featuring a plethora of stats to make a point.
All of these posts usually feature lengthy threads about what constitutes a “real fan”.
What’s revealing is that this pattern follows the well-established cycle of grieving after the initial Shock (vented in the open game threads): Anger – Bargaining – Depression – Acceptance.
So there’s nothing wong with those posts, they are a natural process of coping. I read them all anyway, even if I disagree, and often chuckle to myself when I see a new post popping up that falls right into the pattern.
by One.Cool.Customer on Oct 22, 2009 4:23 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I hereby nominate this for the response of the day!
Very well done sir…..please take a bow……
by thepainster on Oct 22, 2009 6:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always enjoy your posts - you are One Cool Dude (I mean Customer)
Winning takes talent, to repeat takes character. - John Wooden
by BishopWest on Oct 22, 2009 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great post cool
Where does heavy drinking fall? Would that be “Depression”?
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Oct 22, 2009 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, that's a very precise synopsis of it
This place is free, self-help therapy.
I got that back in ’06 when I was in Oxnard and my computer busted the first night in. I missed the morning practice looking for a loaner and when I finally logged on I saw posters saying they were “tritching” waiting for their morning fix.
I felt like one of those white coated orderlies at a clinic, pushing a cart with several thousand paper cups full of pills, so everybody got their morning medicine.
I’m still getting used to it but hey, if it serves a therapeutic purpose, who am I to complain?
by Rafael Vela on Oct 22, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
uh, need coffee
that should read “twitching” for their morning fix
by Rafael Vela on Oct 22, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, but now Wade is being ripped for not having the balls to tell Crayton he's not starting
whatever
by Rafael Vela on Oct 22, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Raf...
Did you see that it is being reported that Jerry turned down the Bengal’s offer (didn’t say what it was) for Martellus Bennett?
by Garza on Oct 22, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
An offer for Bennett? That would make sense.
My guess would’ve been Scandrick.
Wow…can you imagine Bennett and Ochocinco on the same team? Yikes!
by MicThaRock on Oct 22, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can it be scrambled eggs
cuz i deserve a lil in my face, I didn’t think they would change it, but they did, I would’ve liked if Garrett went over and gave Crayton the speech but meh, o well
"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards
by nicholas.rodriguez on Oct 22, 2009 3:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Fish!
I too am baffled by Jerry sometimes..not that it really matters, but sometimes the salesman in the way of the GM. If you think highly enough of a young player that you were willing to forgo draft picks for him, let him and the fans know that this team supports that guy into the future.
As far as the receivers go.. I agree.. there hasn’t been a ton of “production” from anyone yet this year, especially on a consistent basis. Assuming Miles starts, there is no way Roy E. would be benched in favor of Crayton. Crayton fits well in the slot and Williams is definitely a superior run blocker and goal line threat.
Coaching…
This week is big because there has been extra time to prepare and to clean up the simple mental and execution errors that have plagued this team since last season. I have my doubts seeing as it hasn’t been fixed over the offseason but we’ll see. This team got a big boost over the weekend with losses across their division and a win against a likely wild card favorite would go a long way towards righting this ship. I do like that Wade and JG made a decision based on receiver..you probably owe it to Crayton to have him hear it first but aside from that..no complaints. Miles earned the start..the coaches started him. Way to show a little spine Wade…
Wade Phillips has never won a playoff game as a head coach..he has lost 4 home playoff games.
His longest tenure as head coach was 3 years.
Only once did his record as a HC improve from one year to the next (by 1 game)
Wade Phillips for DC
by SDTrueblue on Oct 22, 2009 3:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I want toughness with accountability
Benching Crayton is A-OK with me. But with no explanation? Hey, I don’t want Wade to coddle him… but I think a firm “You’re being outperformed” is enough. being tough for the sake of being tough isn’t good coaching… it’s wanting the appearance of being a good coach.
by no1cowboyfan on Oct 22, 2009 4:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, exactly.
Being a tough coach isn’t about benching players without having the balls to go up to him and saying “Hey, Austin outperformed you. Here’s a list of what you need to work on, and hopefully improve and maybe get your spot back if you can prove yourself to the coaching staff, but until then, you’re the #3.”
Or something of the sort.
by Rickyy. on Oct 22, 2009 4:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Umm no explanation...
I think Austin’s play is explanation enough and I think Fish put it just fine in saying that if Crayton doesn’t understand why he’s benched then he didn’t watch game film. The guy broke the team record. Besides, when one is in charge, he/she doesn’t need to explain because they’re the one’s who will take the most heat if something goes wrong.
by osa1011 on Oct 22, 2009 5:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure why an explanation is needed.
It’s not like Crayton won’t be playing. His paycheck stays the same. I hope they consider my feelings at work when they want to change something. (Not happening) If a little competition hurts Crayton’s feelings, he can go to the Bears and play with Cutler and they can have a support group.
by illcowboy on Oct 22, 2009 5:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wade said Crayton was told
Crayton said no one told him why. So then I take you back to Fish’s words:
Man, if I was the coach, and Crayton came to me and said, "Why didn’t you inform me that you’ve benched me?,‘’ I would’ve replied, "Son, you just basically told me that you haven’t studied film of the KC game.‘’ And I’d shove him in front of a projector.
If Patrick doesn’t get it, he’s not smart enough to be on the field.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Oct 22, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
If Crayton is not painfully aware of what a horrible game he played against KC then he is dumber than I thought. He needs to shut his mouth and show ON THE FIELD why he thinks he should start but to start with the media just makes him that much more expendable.
by Billito on Oct 22, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Crayton a moron?? He really needs an explanation??
Please somebody tell me that he can’t be that stupid.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 22, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's not that stupid
but I can’t say the same thing for those who feel he needs an explanation
Winning takes talent, to repeat takes character. - John Wooden
by BishopWest on Oct 22, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
slow news week.
The only person Wade owes an explanation to is Jerry Jones. He’s the head coach. Not Crayton’s mommy.
The WR coach or whoever could tell Crayton he’s benched, or Crayton could figure it out now that he’s running with the 2nd team.. Who does he think he is anyway?
and further, swapping Crayton for Austin is six of one, half dozen of another. It’s a little bit of this, “Troy Hambrick has the highest YPC in Cowboys’ history!! He should start ahead of Emmitt!!! Why is he the 3rd down back only!??”
by Joey2zs on Oct 22, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why do you need an explanation??
anyone, including Crayton, who can’t figure out why Austin is starting after watching the KC game, is either blind or stupid or maybe both.
I think it’s really obvious….Austin deserves to start after setting the Cowboys record for the most yardage in a game….no brainer folks…no explanation necessary.
Fish is spot on right, if Crayton wants an explanation then obviously he isn’t watching any film.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 22, 2009 6:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Terry........
I thought you were the same one that thought that Crayton deserved to be #2 because of his “good hands and good route running.” What’s changed? Just wondering
by texstar on Oct 22, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
at that time Crayton did deserve to start
At that time, Austin wasn’t doing much. What’s changed you ask?? How about Austin setting the Cowboys single game receiving record. Austin got his opportunity in the KC game and came through big time.
Like Wade said, after accomplishing that, the kid deserves to start.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 22, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I agree.........
but I will hold off judging whether it should be permanent or temporary. You know as well as I do that these things can change from week to week. The reason that I’m asking is because you were so adament that Crayton was #2 just a couple of weeks ago and now you are calling him a moron.
by texstar on Oct 22, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's a thought.
You don’t perform well, your job is on the line. That’s the statement being made without saying a word. Everyone is accountable, and if you like your job, playing time, and your paycheck… maybe you focus on the field more and produce.
by jdramirez on Oct 22, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just hearing one side of this
I’ve demoted, fired, or not promoted people before and far to often any explanation you give them doesn’t make sense to them because they cannot fathom the idea of someone else being better or more deserving then them. I’m sure someone with a very competitive heart like Crayton couldn’t understand or accept any explanation. I think that (in part) makes him the successful professional athlete that he is.
by staubachfan on Oct 22, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking that too
there’s a lot of pride involved here.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Oct 22, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
crayton just needs to shut up and catch the ball
after game like he had in KC, i would think he would be a little more humble and understand the decision.
by juniorb on Oct 22, 2009 6:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jerry's Motivation is Easy
“I want to win, and I’ll go to any lengths to do so. I’ll spend more money and take more chances than anyone, but what haunts me is the fact that everyone thinks Jimmy Johnson is responsible for my 3 Super Bowl rings, and I’ll go to any length to prove them wrong. I’ll be ridiculed by the fans and media, and it’s okay, because I’m a football man and I’m going to win my way. In 20 years I have more rings than almost anyone, so they don’t know what they’re talking about. My team this year is just a few points away from being 5-0, and my team went 13-3 two years ago with a nincompoop at head coach, and we would hve won the Super Bowl then if we’d just scored one more touchdown against the Giants. Why should I give up control when I’m this close to shutting their mouths?”
Greetings from the Humungus, the Ruler of the Wasteland, the Ayatollah of Rock and Roll-A. I laugh at your puny plans.
by Lord Humungus on Oct 22, 2009 8:04 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Remember fight club
The parts where Ed Norton’s character says “I am Jack’s _” and it would be a reference to how he was feeling. I would title your comment as “I am Jerry’s bruised pride”.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Oct 22, 2009 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're not supposed to talk about fight club...
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Oct 22, 2009 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LMAO
Well played, sir.
Greetings from the Humungus, the Ruler of the Wasteland, the Ayatollah of Rock and Roll-A. I laugh at your puny plans.
by Lord Humungus on Oct 22, 2009 8:41 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry always thinks he is just a hair shy of competing for the SUper Bowl
That is the problem. He is not a very good judge of talent
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Oct 22, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the last 3 or 4 years, that has been the case
I really haven’t seen a team in that period where I thought, “we don’t have a good chance of beating this team”
Late 90s and first half of this decade, I used to think that a lot.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 22, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
80% of all teams
are a hair shy of competing for the Super Bowl. So he’s correct in that regard.
by Joey2zs on Oct 22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In regards to the trade:
I think Jerry was affirming that he has confidence in this team and while he may not be a “buyer” like in baseball (to prove you think you have a chance at the playoffs), he was essentially saying that he believes this team is capable of winning.
I think it is very shrewed.
by jdramirez on Oct 22, 2009 9:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting point
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Oct 22, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to Mort...
The trade he turned down was from the Bengals for Marty B, did anyone else see that?
by Garza on Oct 22, 2009 9:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmmm
Interesting.
But what do the Bengals have that Dallas would want? I don’t see young, spare OL waiting in the wings.
And Marty B. had a grade that was very, very high. So getting a first round pick for him would not necessary mean return of Dallas’ appraised value.
by Rafael Vela on Oct 22, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention
the offense has directly benefitted from having him and WItten on the field at the same time. Not sure Phillips could completely replace Bennett.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Oct 22, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the record.........Wade was not tough this week.
“Then he benches Patrick Crayton without giving Patrick a hug, bouncing him on his knee, or telling him a bedtime story. Isn’t that exactly the “ruthless toughness’’ we were asking for just 60 seconds ago?”
How is not having the guts and intestinal fortitude to tell a player he is on the bench being tough? This situation is more like the alternating starts between Scantrick and Jenkins. He can’t make a decision.
A tough coach would have sat the WR down and told him he was on the bench and told him exactly why if the coach felt that was necessary. A soft coach wimps out and lets the WR figure it out on his own.
by just4fun on Oct 22, 2009 9:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
Crayton was told Austin was starting and only a moron couldn’t figure out why. Has nothing to do with being soft.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 22, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the context of my statement was Fish's premise that
not telling a player he has been benched is an example of a coach being tough, and that the media was complaining about him being tough.
I’m just pointing out that A) no media has ever accused Wade of being tough (in fact, most state that roy is the one who should be benched)
and B) not telling a player is he is benched is NOT tough it is the opposite.
Now whether Crayton was told or not is debatable, as raf said a few posts down he has a big mouth and probably hurt feelings.
by just4fun on Oct 22, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wade doesn't have to be tough
Crayton doesn’t have to be coddled
Winning takes talent, to repeat takes character. - John Wooden
by BishopWest on Oct 22, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love this coach-with-a-whip meme
The only source we have complaining that Wade mishandled this is Crayton himself.
Is he the most credible source? He’s got a history of running his mouth off. He’s just been demoted. And his hurt comments to a media source with a history of stirring the pot is the stone-cold, impeccable source of information on this?
I don’t think so.
by Rafael Vela on Oct 22, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my statement was in response to the whole "Wade just can win with the media" stuff mention
in Fish’s article. Wade has not been accused of being too tough on players. It’s just not anywhere. Whether or not the Crayton story is true is irrelevant, the complaint in the article was about the media complaint of Wade, not about the truth/lies of the crayton story.
by just4fun on Oct 22, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are two cases where he has run his mouth this year.
One was where he criticized JG for not running th ball enough in the Denver game.
The second one is where he says he would not come into work the next day if they lost to the Chefs, (yes I know they have a bye after that but they still have film work and practice before they have their break).
Crayton was in a tough spot with this new development but it is not an excuse to go to the media for a sympathetic ear. If the coaching staff wanted to take it one step further they could deactivate him for this game because this latest interview from him was not needed. The media and fans do not need to know stuff that should stay in house. If the offense continues to struggle because Miles is not better than Crayton in that spot it will not be viewed as Crayton pouting or dogging it; it will fall on the ones who made the decision: WP and JG.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Oct 22, 2009 10:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, here's a thought
There is a long list of guys who have one amazing game and then never replicate it. Paul Zimmermann wrote a whole chapter on this in his old Thinking Man’s Guide to Football. He centered on John McDaniel, a Bengals receiver from the ’70s who went off on the then-very good Raiders, but faded once the league got a book on him.
Z’s point was that it’s an adjustment league and players and coaches constantly have to update and upgrade, and sometimes these guys simply catch the league by surprise.
Maybe Wade and Garrett aren’t making cut-in-stone proclamations about Austin because he’s the starter this week while they examine him to see if he’s got staying power or was a flash in the pan.
If Austin isn’t all that, and Crayton is back as a starter in two weeks, what’s the point of constantly having press conferences? THAT would make the coaches look stupid.
Damned if you do…
by Rafael Vela on Oct 22, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
if accountability and who the best player should play then this move reinforces that concept, it could be a scandrick/jenkins situation again where they try out Miles and see if they get better offensive production and if it does not work then they can go back. A small benefit from this would be to hear about Crayton playing a sharper game to where he is still fighting for his old jobs back; I would like to see how much pride he shows in this situation.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Oct 22, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It could also be that WP wants to avoid the Jenkins/Scandrick label because of how it played out before the
season started.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Oct 22, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great point Raf
I think many of us are holding our collective breath when it comes to starting Austin, or at least we are holding off on the annointing oils….
Who knows what to expect from this undrafted free agent? Yes, he’s big and fast, but he has a history of getting hurt, dropping passes, and making the occasional decision like he did in Denver a few weeks ago.
I thought of Timmy Smith, who rushed for a Super Bowl record 200+ yards, then averaged 3.0 ypc next year as the Redskins starting RB.
Crayton will get his looks, either as the #3 or if he regains the #2 spot.
by DavidH22 on Oct 22, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That being said..
Do you think Austin will help open things up for Roy Williams now? And, will this move be measured only by Austin’s numbers or the potential effect on the entire offense (taking pressure off Roy, spreading out the D for the running game). Everyone talks about how big of a headache Felix is even when he doesn’t get the ball, but won’t the presence of a guy like Austin on the field have an impact as well? It’s not like Crayton was ever a big threat to do more than catch a 15 yard crossing pattern.
It's not cocky if it's a lie.
by FelixFanclub on Oct 22, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do
But rather than Austin deep I’d like to see Roy deep and Austin short… Austin seems to be able to make big plays with out starting off deep
by AustonianAggie on Oct 22, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what Roy
is supposed to do though. He is big and strong, but not all that fast. He is definitely not an Owens type receiver, although theire builds look similar. Kitna said it on that one mic-ed up segment, that Roy is great at slants and those types or routes.
But like you said, Austin has been able to make plays after the catch, which is obviously just as dangerous as simply burning someone deep. So either way I think he will be given more attention. It will be interesting to see how he handles teams that actually game-plan for him.
It's not cocky if it's a lie.
by FelixFanclub on Oct 22, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roys faster than he looks
it just takes him 40 yards to get to full speed. He runs with long strides, he’s not got much acceleration
by AustonianAggie on Oct 22, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
Roy is about as fast as TO, but he doesn’t get up to full speed as quickly.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Oct 22, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I heard Gil Brandt last week on Sirius........
(of course he really likes Roy) but he was saying that he won state in track his senior year at Odessa Permian-so he’s not slow by any means. Other thing, he was saying that a lot of the passes that have been thrown to Roy are behind him or too high. He said not to give up on Roy because he is a great athlete. Now all the Romo lovers can bash me right-LOL
by texstar on Oct 22, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those two have had problems
getting on the same sheet, no doubt.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Oct 22, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there is no question the chemistry
between Romo and RW is still a work in progress, they need some more time to work together and eventually they’ll hook up more frequently.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 22, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
:)
Or maybe not? Whatever works, right?
by ChrisRichey on Oct 22, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's always ...
hook’em up more frequently.
by GalTex on Oct 23, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
These are good points
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Oct 22, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's very possible that they don't know what they have
I don’t see any problem with the Jenkins/Scandrick situation.
Jenkins was running first team in camp, then rolled an ankle. Scandrick is highly valued by the organization and played pretty well in the preseason games.
They probably were not sure if Jenkins was recovered. In week one, they didn’t know who the better corner was, and let them play it out. They told the press so. Jenkins won out and is now the starter.
What’s the problem?
by Rafael Vela on Oct 22, 2009 11:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I did not say it was a problem
WP just does not deal with the media well so he took a different approach because he remembers how the last decision went. I am not saying that he should try to improve how he handles them, I think WP is willing to deal with the questions because it is just the way he is; bottom line if this team had beaten either NY or Den this would have been a smaller talking point.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Oct 22, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think
Scandrick was given a fair shot though? He looked great in the preseason and solid last year when he was called on, but one bad game on the biggest regular season stage possible and he gets pulled? I think the coaches over-reacted a bit to one bad game, all be it being a very bad game, but it seemed like that was more of the fluke than his previous success. There was a lot of pressure on him in that game, and while that’s no excuse for bad play, it’s at least understandable. It’s not like Jenkins has been dominating anyway.
It's not cocky if it's a lie.
by FelixFanclub on Oct 22, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'll end up starting this year I almost gaurunte it, if only due to injuries
Playing Nickle CB is no small feat either
by AustonianAggie on Oct 22, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You saw Scandrick in his start, right?
against the Giants?
Not. Pretty.
by Rafael Vela on Oct 22, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's the QB Stupid...
If Jerry really had the chance to ship off the immature Martellus Bennett for a #1, he should have pulled the trigger. Two #1 picks, both in the middle of the pack, would have given the Cowboys enough currency to go get that franchise quarterback, and there are a few to be had in 2010. Staubach’s protogé, Colt McCoy, would make the most sense in Dallas.
by Montecito Tex on Oct 22, 2009 11:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Colt will never be a good nfl qb
His arm strength is very unacceptable I want a gun slinger not a wuss at the realm
by rioplayer7 on Oct 22, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, of all the things to call Colt McCoy
A wuss he is NOT.
by Joon on Oct 22, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Listen if someone knew the only knock on themselves was arm strength wouldnt (if it was) u do everything in your power to improve upon that?
I have not seen him imporve on that since he was a freshman. I do not want someone on my team that is not able to improve his biggest weakness. I say he is a wuss because he does not have the guts to get down to work and fix something that has been his only knock for years.
by rioplayer7 on Oct 22, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You cannot fix arm strength in the gym
It is something a person has or does not have. You can only enhance it on the margins (strengthen, flexibility and mechanics) but it does not change much.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Oct 22, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've read a QB's armstrength is directly related to the
strength and flexibility of their back muscles. So maybe back strengthening exercises can improve it
by AustonianAggie on Oct 22, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the time these guys are in major college ball
they’ve been down those roads. It just doesn’t change much. A lot of it is subtle muscle coordination and muscle fiber make-up. It is very, very similar to sprinting speed. Crayton improved his speed in the off-season but he still can’t beat Scandrick or Newman and he hever will.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Oct 22, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you work as you said on strength, mechanics, and flexibility for 2 years in college
Dont you think he should have improved? I dont see even a little improvement
by rioplayer7 on Oct 22, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
only slightly
not enough to make a difference. Growing up playing ball, I had an average arm and as I got older, I had to weight train for other sports and got a lot stronger, especially in my upper body and arms.
However, my arm strength to throw never really improved that much.
Bottom line is that you either can throw hard or you can’t.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 22, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it means he's maxed out
his natural abilities. I saw this all the time in college baseball. He can only push nature so much.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Oct 22, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
McCoy plays in a system...
that should make him look good. The spread offense is made for QBs like him. There are more of his type around. The accurate drop back strong arm passers are few far between.
by DIRE WOLF on Oct 22, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's definitely a sytems qb
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 22, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats why the Texas Tech QBs...
put up big big #s but can’t in the NFL.
by DIRE WOLF on Oct 22, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're absolutely correct dunk
I just posted that as well
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 22, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
negative
Lifting weights isn’t going to turn an average arm into a really strong arm. Throwing, whether it’s a baseball or football, has much more to do with natural ability to throw than muscle.
I knew guys who were thin as as a rail, hardly ever lifted with not much strength who had absolute guns for arms, and I knew guys who were built like a brick s$%t houses, very strong upper bodies, who had candy arms.
So just because McCoy would spend a lot of time in the gym getting stronger doesn’t mean he’ll be able to throw much harder.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 22, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Bennett is fun to listen to and may be a great player someday, but this season he’s been a huge disappointment. Romo has missed hima couple of times, and he has been open on the post just to see Romo get hammered, but no one would have thought he’d be so unproductive at this point.
Greetings from the Humungus, the Ruler of the Wasteland, the Ayatollah of Rock and Roll-A. I laugh at your puny plans.
by Lord Humungus on Oct 22, 2009 11:56 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
well, Bennett has played a strong role in our good runnig game
by AustonianAggie on Oct 22, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't give Bennett a pass.
He’s dropped some balls, ran some sloppy routes, and has been penalized in the running game. He needs to pick up his level of play.
by jdramirez on Oct 22, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know that
you just described Jason Witten, RW, Crayton, MBIII and Choice. condemn them as well.
Is it at all possible that you don’t know what plays are called and what Bennett’s role is in those plays?
by Joey2zs on Oct 22, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
So it was his role to run a 5 yard in and have the QB hit him in the hands just to harmlessly fall to the ground? Well, Wade is the coach, so maybe.
by jdramirez on Oct 22, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ONE WHOLE DROP????? OMFG CUT HIM NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Might as well get rid of our whole team if that’s the standard.
by ChrisRichey on Oct 22, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt it was a first rounder.
Very few people are willing to draft rookies in the first round, let alone unproven 2 year vets. The offer was probably a 2nd at best, and possibly a contingent 3rd. It’s not a good offer, especially since that is one of the few positions the Cowboys have depth.
And for your QB comments, bitch please. How are several other projected franchise QB’s doing? Russell is tearing it up in Oakland, and Brady Quinn was exactly what the Browns needed as they are practically unstoppable, and don’t forget about the former Cowboys great Ryan Leaf. Why the Chargers ever let him go is beyond me.
I will say that I really wish that we had enough picks to move up in the draft to go pick up either Akili Smith, Tim Couch, or Dante Culpepper. If Jerry wasn’t so blind, he would have locked them up to a long term contract when they became free agents.
by jdramirez on Oct 22, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
you cherry-picked Leaf, Quinn, Couch, Russell and Akili Smith from the early 90s as examples that QBs shouldn’t be drafted?
What is your point? Eli Manning, Payton Manning, Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan, Aaron Rodgers, Orton, Cutler, Rivers and others are wondering.
Also, what does “Very few people are willing to draft rookies in the first round” mean? You kind of have to draft rookies. It’s really the point of the draft.
by Joey2zs on Oct 22, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You neglected one QB...
who wasn’t even drafted, and has had incredible success. Warner. Throw Romo in there too and you can develop talent.
by jdramirez on Oct 22, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, drafting QB's is maybe a 33% hit rate,
and it’s a 5% hit rate to get a Peyton Manning or a John Elway.
by jdramirez on Oct 22, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too much value is put on the draft...
by a lot of people, me included.
by DIRE WOLF on Oct 22, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Much lower than 5% to hit on one of those guys
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Oct 22, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The way they look?
Absolutely.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Oct 22, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I finally got the joke
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Oct 22, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
Romo and Warner prove that the draft is useless.
by Joey2zs on Oct 22, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Colt McCoy?? LMAO!!!
Has that guy ever thrown a pass more than 15 yards downfield in his college career??
Keep it comin Tex, I really enjoy these hearty afternoon laughs.
If you think Jerry is going to spend a high first rd pick on a QB when he already is paying franchise qb money to Romo and will be for a while, you’re nuts…ok, we already knew that, my bad.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 22, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if I was willing to accept the Cowboys had to draft a QB
Colt McCoy wouldn’t be in my top-3 for guys coming out this year. The dude looked bad against Oklahoma and I just don’t see him being a great NFL player. I would much rather have Bradford, Locker (although the baseball player curse would do him in probably), or even Pike from Cincinnati.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Oct 22, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel really bad for Bradford......
that’s saying a lot since I can’t stand OU but you have to feel for the kid to come back when he probably would have been the #1 pick last year. They say he has lost millions because of his injury. Gotta feel for the guy even though he goes to OU. Anyway, Bradford does have a nice arm but he seems a little slow in the pocket and he’s not very mobile.
by texstar on Oct 22, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have never understood...
why these players hang around to play the sr. year. If they are going in the top 10 they are crazy to take the chance. I,m sure he had an ins. policy.
by DIRE WOLF on Oct 22, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh,my bad...
But I still stay come out if you are top 10
by DIRE WOLF on Oct 22, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the theory is I think
that by playing their senior year, they will increase their draft stock and become more pro ready to play their rookie season.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 22, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes I'm sure thats true...
but the down side is really costly.I guess it’s a crap shoot
by DIRE WOLF on Oct 22, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
risky...sometimes costly
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 22, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, from everything that came out last year.......
he probably would have gone first ahead of Stafford so his draft stock was at its highest at that point. From what I heard, Bradford didn’t feel like he was ready (maturity wise) for the NFL. He’s was just a red shirt sophomore last year and he wanted to come back for the college experience. Only problem was, he lost most if not all of his offensive line.
by texstar on Oct 22, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am by no means an Oklahoma fan
but I like Sam Bradford a lot and I think he has a little more mobility than you are giving him credit for. Go watch his dive into the endzone in last year’s Oklahoma State – Oklahoma game. It was pretty Elway-esque and what I considered his defining moment last year.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Oct 22, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, don't get me wrong.......
I like him too. He definitely has the size that NFL teams love but he seems a little slow-I very well could be wrong.
by texstar on Oct 22, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think McCoy will be around...
in 2nd and maybe the 3rd round. Romo got the big money he’s here to stay.
by DIRE WOLF on Oct 22, 2009 11:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Uh, the team did draft a guy this year,
and they like him, from what I understand.
by Rafael Vela on Oct 22, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't get me wrong...
I don’t want Dallas to take McCoy in the early or late rounds .I’m not a McCoy fan,but I do think he will be around awhile in the draft and nobody needs to trade up to get him. They run the spread at Texas and that hasn’t worked very good for QBs coming into the the NFL so far.
by DIRE WOLF on Oct 22, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard he wasn't coming along as quickly as they would like...
but that was back in the pre-season. He might be making strides, but I think Romo is the freaking bees knees, so even if he becomes the 2nd coming of Brady, I would be sad.
by jdramirez on Oct 22, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess is not exactly well-remembered around here.
by mdlusk on Oct 22, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that should read "I guess MCGEE isn't well-remembered" lol
freudian slip
by mdlusk on Oct 22, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
McCoy
I don’t watch many Texas games. Is McCoy nearly has mobile as Romo?
I heard he has a fairly weak arm
by Prime-Time on Oct 22, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
McCoy is fairly mobile........
His arm is okay but he’s pretty accurate with his throws. I don’t think that the Boys would draft him because like Raf said we got McGee last year. Now, McGee is very mobile.
by texstar on Oct 22, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He certainly has mobility...
I just don’t see him being a great QB because I don’t think he is particularly strong thrower of the football. He does have a pretty high completion percentage, but his arm isn’t very strong and in my opinion doesn’t have the throwing skills of Bradford or even Ryan Mallett.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Oct 22, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Patrick Crayton has always been the first to open his mouth
I wish he would just shut it and go out there and try and win his job back. If this guy is worrying more about how he was benched than trying to get his starting role back then good ridden to him get the heck out of Dallas.
by rioplayer7 on Oct 22, 2009 11:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Foot Injury
Does anyone know anything about a "stress fracture" in your foot?
Can it really be something that gets better over time for Demarcus?
I’m worried that if he continues to practice and play on that food without letting it fully heal he won’t be full speed in December.
by Prime-Time on Oct 22, 2009 12:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Around here
it’s virtually the same thing…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Oct 22, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stress fractures can vary in severity.
From what I understand, I think rest is the only thing that will make it get better, and I don’t think we have enough talent to have him rest for 6 weeks.
by jdramirez on Oct 22, 2009 12:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone got any clue what our 3rd string QB is up to?
by AustonianAggie on Oct 22, 2009 4:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
holding a clip board on Sundays
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 22, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I know a lot were asking for "toughness" ..
but dare I ask ..
Have you ever made passionate love to a woman that whispers in your ear at the right moment and sends shivers down your spine?
Well, have you ever met a girl and tried to get “there” with her, only when you are into conversation with her, she is staring at the rug on the floor and asks, “Is that made out of fur?”
Need I say more?? Wade is the ladder example .. lost .. and his way is not desirable .. and turns the average fan off.
Remember too, the manner in which he “benched” Crayton wasn’t to straighten him out. Austin outperformed him. Phillips had a better option. That simple. .. Get on Flo or “bench” him for not getting his penalty situation corrected. Give the players, including Romo, some ribbing to fix the turnover problem. …… But no, he lies there like a dead fish!!
And trust me … I said from day one DALLAS WILL NOT WIN ANYTHING WITH THIS GUY COACHING THEM! When the Boys started off very well in Phillips year 1, I told all … we will lose in the first game of the playoffs! .. He is a bum!! I can name 3-4 coaches that COULD have been hired then, and Dallas would have AT LEAST one Super Bowl ring, probably 2.
by spadesking131313 on Oct 22, 2009 4:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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