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Oh the sweet irony of the two games dallas and the gints had.

Well, I am on vacation right now and am now just getting to a computer to visit the BTB site and see what has been posted.  I barely caught any of the game, and little bit more of the gints game tonight.  I do have one very noticible similarity between the ny vs. dal game and the cards vs. ny game.  Both home teams lost a close game but gave up over 3 turnovers by their qbs.  Eli looked like the old sheli, when pressed and against a banged up secondary in the 2nd half he had no one to turn to and could not make it happen.  The irony is too sweet not to mention how dallas and the gints are both suseptable to imploding a home game; good coaching or soft coaching be darned.

 

By no means am I under the impression that dallas is out of the woods, but I believe that they can keep things in perspective as a team and just go each week one game at a time, one game with a one play at a time they will win quite a few close games and maybe even win like they did today. 


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Romo actually played worse than eli

the rest of our team played really well and romo let us down. Its hard to say that about the giants – their receivers blew quite a few plays today and their ol looked pretty bad.

by foyesboys on Oct 26, 2009 12:40 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

but i'll still enjoy railing on eli

still shocked mosley thought he would be mvp.

by foyesboys on Oct 26, 2009 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not really

Romo played badly, but recall that there was also zero pressure on Eli. He was never touched. That’s not playing well. If they stop the Giants one time in the second half, they win despite the errors.

The run defense was very good and the running game was excellent. The pas blocking was OK. The ST were pretty good.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Oct 26, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cowboys can definitely win the NFC East

the only team in the NFC that is looking really good is N.O. and Miami proved that their defense can be scored on.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Oct 26, 2009 10:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We are talented enough

to go and beat the Giants in NY, no question about that Dunk.

What I have been questioning for a long time is the Coaching staff’s decisionmaking on playcalling, specifically Garrett, and his flawed approach of “set up the run with the pass”.

Some teams are not gonna be beat that way. The Giants are not going to be beat that way. Plus, until Austin has emerged, it has been folly watching the Cowboys try to force the passing game on teams. That is what is so maddening about this team- the talent seems to be mismanaged to the point of loosing the games. Is it really so hard (after all this time) to critique players, figure out what they do best, and put them in a position to succeed? Why would it take so long to realize these things? Some “simple” truths that can’t be ignored by the coaches:

Why would you ever take a quarterback and try to change his game, when his style has been so effective? It seems like this coaching staff is content on making Romo stay in the pocket and pass (where he is ordinary and sub-par), yet every time he jumps the pocket, he comes up with highlight reel,spectacular plays? One would be forced to ask “Is there some problem with this coaching staff?”

There is nothing wrong with demoting players that are not producing. Demotions have an effect on players. Example: Patrick Crayton. Sticking with an unproductive player at a position too long has gloomy consequences and sends the wrong message to all players. Next up: What to do about Ken Hamlin? I counted at least 2 interceptions he should have had that he couldn’t make a play on. How long will this inadequete play going to be tolerated by the coaches? I want to see Watkins get a chance. His coverage skills and speed seem to be better than Ken Hamlin at this point.

Screen on 3rd down? Yes- but instead, we see another downfield pass (incomplete). We won the game, but there are going to be games where we won’t win because of the pass defense we are facing.Tashard was out there blocking, but the play should have gone to him on that all-out blitz Atlanta had on 3rd down- for a screen. He would have had clear sailing maybe even for a TD if the coaches see that.

I watched the Giants try the same thing on 3rd down, and it also failed. The screen is a weapon. We are not using it enough.

Felix can’t be a workhorse back between the tackles yet, and MB3 doesn’t have the “burst” anymore. Why did we not see more of Tashard? Is this coaching staff afraid of making Felix and MB3 look bad by playing Choice? Tashards 3rd down catch turned the game around at that point. Add to that the passion and fire he brings to the offense, and there seems to be no good reasons as to why more touches did not come his way against Atlanta.

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Oct 26, 2009 10:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

those passes to Austin

were from the pocket and they were awesome passes. To say Romo is ordinary and sub-par from the pocket is simply not true…pure myth and Sunday’s game proved that.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Oct 26, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The real test on that statement of yours Terry...

is not a good day against the Falcons at home, but against the Giants on the road. Then you can make that statement with more fervor and backing. I, for one, have not forgotten the playoff loss to them, nor last years debacle of games at the end of the year. No, Romo might not be ordinary or sub-par from the pocket, but the playcalling has helped him look that way during the last year and a half. Don’t place too much faith on what happened in this one game. Teams do have the ability to take away what we want to do. We have to adjust our gameplan and playcalling to each opponent and not become “Predictable Paul”.

But, respectfully, Terry, I understand what you are saying, and do agree with it. However, can you explain to me how come we do not roll Romo out more? What has Romo done every time he gets out of the pocket? he is deadly and lethal and not in that order. To keep him in the pocket as much as Garrett has seems to me to be a big mistake. Those kind of plays can make a big difference for the offense and the team, and seem to be the jumpstart the offense needs to get rolling against anyone. Remember what Strahan said after the playoff loss? He said “we were trying to keep Romo in the pocket, because we feel like we could beat them if we do that”. This is old news Terry, and common knowledge. They simply felt like if Romo got out of the pocket, they could not stop him and they would loose. I respectfully look forward to hearing your response to this overlooked fact sir.

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Oct 26, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Romo’s two great strengths are his quick release and his ability to throw accurately on the run. I do not understand why they are trying to turn him into a pocket passer like Tom Brady.

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Oct 26, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

On top of that Seanrude...

up until Austin started rearing his head at offenses, they have been staunch in keeping him in the pocket and forcing throws, regardless of whether we had recievers performing well in that respect or not.

I’m sorry, but I want the old Romo back, the one we all fell in love with and gave us all that hope in the first place. It just doesn’t make sense. Hopefully, we can see more of that from now on, but I just can’t believe it’s taken the coaches this long to identify what this quarterback does and doesn’t do well. He needs to progress, not regress.

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Oct 26, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The "Old Romo" is the guy I manmed my dog after

I want him back too, and what I saw of the game yesterday, he at least made an appearance

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Oct 26, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope and pray....

That you didn’t “Mame” your dog because of Tony Romo. God knows that because of the God-awful performances in big games, that you would have taken it out on your poor dog. That’s animal cruelty, and you would have had to repeatedly “Mame” him over and over again, because of the repeat bad performances by Tony.

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Oct 26, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

should be 'named'

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Oct 26, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love that dog but he and his namesake QB have similar qualities

Both are really good overall, but both crap on the carpet occasionally

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Oct 26, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No one (including Garrett) ever made Romo force a throw

If he forced it, it was his own choice, not Garrett’s. The old Romo is back, you should be happy now. The coaches know Romo much, much better than you or I do. Give credit where credit is due. Sunday proved most of your arguments are empty.

Winning takes talent, to repeat takes character. - John Wooden

by BishopWest on Oct 26, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's just your opinion

If anything,Sunday validated my arguments. If you think other teams have cornerbacks like the Falcons, you are mistaken. It’s nice to win, but one game does not equal a championship season.. Go to NY and do that to the Giants, and do it with the pass like you are referring too, and then you can talk like that Bishop. With the Giants D-line, or PIT, Philly, Balt, as well as a few other teams that can crank up the pass rush the way they can, I can only pray that you are right. I hope Romo has the time to throw the ball. until then, nothing has been proven- repeat NOTHING. Don’t get me wrong, I’m happy we won. But there is still alot of work to do whether you believe it or not, both on offense and defense.

Oh, and these coaches knowing Romo so much like you allude too, is there a point to that? They better know him. And that still doesn’t answer why Garrett doesn’t have more roll outs for Romo, that’s just you saying that the coaches know him (whatever that means). Knowing your quarterback is one thing. Knowing what to do with him obviously is another. There are alot of good coaches out there Bishop, whether you want to believe that or not.

Sorry to inform you sir, but my arguments are VERY valid. Just because YOU don’t agree with them does not mean they are empty. That is simply your opinion. Other people have other opinions.

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Oct 26, 2009 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You seem to think that Dallas can only win with a heavy-handed running game

and that’s just not true.

Romo throws for 300 yards, 3 TD’s, 0 INT’s and you are fussing that he didn’t roll out enough. Sounds like you’re just finding fault. What you should be saying is, “Oh, I guess I was wrong for once.”

Winning takes talent, to repeat takes character. - John Wooden

by BishopWest on Oct 26, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You seem to think

That this gameplan against Atlanta, which was pass heavy because of sub-par corners and slightly above AVERAGE pass rush, is the way our gameplan should be against everyone, and that explains your defending Garrett’s playcalling in the loss to the Giants.

But what you are failing to mention is what should Garrett do if we come up against a top defense that can get to Romo, and has good corners. What you are suggesting is to have more 3-5 interception games at the end of the year. Is it so hard for you to accept that against the good defenses, our pass offense has proven nothing?

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Oct 27, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do not think that you have to approach every game the same way

Some games you win passing deep
Some games you win running more
Some games you win passing short
Some games you win with defense
Some games you win with special teams
Some games you win with clock control
Some games you win with field position
Some games you win with Field Goals instead of touchdowns
Some games you win with turnover ratio
Some games you win with blitzing
Some games you win with zone coverage
Some games you win with man coverage

I’m not LOCKED into any ONE way of winning.

I am giving Garrett credit for a very good game plan versus Atlanta. And I do believe that he had a very good game plan for the Denver game (lack of execution loss that game)

They were two different game plans and both were good.

If I understand your thinking, you are not happy with us winning with passing, because you are afraid that unless we prove we can run all day, were going to lose to good teams in December or the playoffs.

But if the RIGHT way to beat Atlanta is through passing down field, don’t get bent out of shape just because we didn’t run smash-mouth ball to win it.

Winning takes talent, to repeat takes character. - John Wooden

by BishopWest on Oct 27, 2009 1:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No one is getting bent out of shape Bishop

If anyone is getting bent out of shape, it’s you. I agree, the right way to beat Atlanta is through passing. Garrett made the right call. Can he adjust his game? If running is dictated to beat a team, will he be willing to do it? I just don’t have confidence that he will know how/when to use the run.

And I am not a fan of passing to set up the run. That’s my opinion, that’s what I believe, no matter how much you want to Rant.

Now, If Garrett wanted to make me a fan of passing to set up the run, then after getting rid of T.O., If I saw the Cowboys on draft day move up in the draft and go after a reciever that has speed, then I would be open to it’s possibilities.

But to only have one good speed reciever (Austin), and all the other recievers not have breakaway speed, and then not play Austin from the beginning of the year, and at least THREATEN a team with the deep ball, well then, um, I would call that unrealistic to want the kind of passing game he wants.

This team needed and needs more speed and performance from the WR position to be the pass oriented team Garrett wants. Oh, and another thing bishop- our O-line isn’t very good in giving Romo time to pass either, especially against smaller speed rushers. So I expected an OL pick in the upper part of the draft if we were not going to draft a top reciever (I wanted Unger). Niether of those things happened in the draft. So I guess that we can thank God that Austin has developed. But, without performing well against a top CB on his resume yet, That’s why I say we needed to draft WR or OL higher in the draft (maybe even should have moved up). Austin will get that though.

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Oct 28, 2009 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that one of Tony's strength's is his quick release, but

he is good both in the pocket and out of the pocket. I don’t think anyone is trying to “turn him into a pocket passer like Tom Brady.” Last game, Garrett just let Romo be Romo. And he simply threw for 300 yards, 3 TD’s and 0 INT’s

Leave well enough alone.

Winning takes talent, to repeat takes character. - John Wooden

by BishopWest on Oct 26, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was tried last year

There was a Don Banks or Peter King article about how Romo and Garrett had watched films of Tom Brady to study his pocket presence and to get Romo to play along those lines

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Oct 26, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Garrett called a great game - just accept it

Winning takes talent, to repeat takes character. - John Wooden

by BishopWest on Oct 26, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Until

Garrett and Romo can get over the “hump”, and beat a good defense in a meaningful game past december, your basis for calling my arguments “empty” fall on deaf ears. They can have the best stats, great games with awesome plays, but until it happens in meaningful games at the end of the season, it amounts to nothing. Stats mean nothing- only super bowls and playoff wins.

Maybe you believe Garrett making Romo into Brady means he is great, and is calling great games winning like that. To me, letting Romo be Romo, running the offense, taking what the defense gives you (whether it be run or pass), and beating a good team at the end of the year- that is the real yardstick. Everything else you can say about it means absolutely nothing.

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Oct 26, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How can you say that it amounts to nothing?

It amounts to a WIN.

Now Dallas is only half a game out of first place in the NFC East and tied with Philly. If we had lost that game to Atlanta we would be in 3rd place. How can that win possibly mean nothing?

Winning takes talent, to repeat takes character. - John Wooden

by BishopWest on Oct 27, 2009 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Super Bowls

This Atlanta Game was only a stepping stone.

If this offense crumbles at the end of the year, I think you will still have a hard time accepting that the coaching may not be good enough. But that’s your problem.

Of course we should win the games we should win. If Atlanta would have beaten us, then the coaches would be in some serious deep doo-doo.

Need I remind you that we won the NFC east 2 years ago, yet still lost in the first playoff game? Winning the NFC east would only be a step- a big step, but a step nonetheless. Only super Bowls matter.

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Oct 27, 2009 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If only the Super Bowl matters

I guess that every year there are 31 teams with poor coaching, right? Is that what you believe?

So unless Dallas wins the Super Bowl every year, we’ve got a coaching problem. That’s what you’re saying. And I don’t know very many people that would agree with you. There are some very good coaches and good teams that do not win the Super Bowl every year.

You said that if Dallas loses to Atlanta then the coaches are in deep doo-doo. Well, what do you say now that they won? They’re not in deep doo-doo?

With your thinking, all you’ve got to do is sit around and wait until we don’t make the playoffs, or we lose in the playoffs, and then you say, “See, I was right. We have a coaching problem.”

That is CHILD’S PLAY.

And by the way – I don’t have a problem.

Winning takes talent, to repeat takes character. - John Wooden

by BishopWest on Oct 27, 2009 1:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you saying

That you would be happy going to the playoffs, then loosing? I’m not apologizing for holding Super Bowl expectations for the Dallas Cowboys. If you don’t understand that thinking, I will write one sentence that will explain it well for you.

The Pittsburgh Steelers have won 2 Super Bowls over the last 4 years.

Does that make things clear for you now?

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Oct 28, 2009 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So I guess you think that

the other 2 years of the 4, when they didn’t win the Super Bowl, they had a coaching problem.

Winning takes talent, to repeat takes character. - John Wooden

by BishopWest on Oct 28, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

but the fact that they have won Super Bowls and we haven’t in the last 13 years tells me we may have one.

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Oct 28, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Romo is being Romo

and Garrett has been taking what the defense gives him – that’s exactly why we passed the ball to beat Atlanta. And I have never suggested that Romo be like Brady. (I don’t even like that little piss-boy in New England)

Besides, if all you care about is whether or not Dallas beats a good team at the end of the year, why are you even watching the games now. Just wait until December and watch a few games, if we lose, then come back and post, “I told you so” and then we’ll blame every thing on Garrett. I’m pretty sure that’s what you’re waiting for any way.

Winning takes talent, to repeat takes character. - John Wooden

by BishopWest on Oct 27, 2009 3:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stop blaming Romo

for Garrett’s playcalls. Some of the mistakes are Romo’s fault, some of them are Garrett’s. The full responsibility is on Garrertt.

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Oct 28, 2009 1:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

stop blaming Romo for Garrett's play calls

stop blaming Garrett for Romo’s mistakes

I can agree with both of those statements

Winning takes talent, to repeat takes character. - John Wooden

by BishopWest on Oct 28, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What you may have a problem with

is who holds responsibility, and that is Garrett. It may not be fair, but it’s true. Personally, I think it’s a mistake that the head coach is not in charge of overseeing the offensive coordinators playcalls. If this offense doesn’t produce, and If you think Romo is at fault for botched plays, and are like all the other people who want to burn Tony at the stake, please bear in mind that Tony has no control over what play is called. That is all Garrett.

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Oct 28, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Many times Romo

calls 2 plays in the huddle and always has the option to “kill” one of them or audible out of a play.

None of those “called plays” are actually forced upon him. Garrett trusts Tony to audible when necessary.

I’m sure there have been times when Garrett called a run, but Romo would audible to a pass, and if it was an interception, incomplete, sack, or failed to gain a first down, you would be tempted to blame Garrett for it unjustly.

And just remember, if you’re going to blame the coach for all the bad stuff, then you’ve got to give him credit for the all the good stuff, too. And thus far this season, the Cowboys have won more games than they’ve lost. So Garrett is due some praise whether you give it to him or not.

Winning takes talent, to repeat takes character. - John Wooden

by BishopWest on Oct 29, 2009 4:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again with the

praising of Garrett. When is your misunderstanding going to end Bishop? First, you paint a picture to everyone with your posts showing everyone that I am a person that believes the Cowboys can only win a game by the run (wrong). What you still haven’t adressed is the reality that some teams we are not going to beat with the pass. Just because I said we should play a more conservative game that limits the turnovers that plague us when we play the GIANTS does not mean that we should be predictable and do the same thing against every opponent.

And now you want me to give credit to the offensive coordinator for doing his job? yeah, I’ll give him credit for passing when it is called for like in the Atlanta game. Can He win a game another way too when it’s called for? We’ll see. Although Austin is doing a great job, let’s see how things turn out when we have to face the Giants and Eagles, okay? Getting out the annointing oils for Jason Garrett (and Romo) before they have proven to get over the “hump” of beating these teams for the division, as well as winning in the playoffs, is a little premature, don’t you think?

By the way Bishop, If I have offended you in any way, I want to apologize. I have never written anything about someone that was meant to demean them, just stating facts on performance, because that is all we have to go on. Deep down, if you are a Cowboy fan, you just want your team to win- no matter how it comes. There have been too many losses to build up bad frustration that leads to tense remarks, and everybody is different. I’m sure, deep down, if the passing game wasn’t working against a certain team, and the running backs came through for a big victory running the ball, YOU would be very happy if the team won a game that way too, I’m sure.

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Oct 31, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why is this statement needed?
What you still haven’t adressed is the reality that some teams we are not going to beat with the pass.

Then you mention the Giants and insinuate that we will need a strong run game in order to beat them. – I’m not persuaded that it takes a strong run game to beat the Giants.

Arizona just beat the Giants in New York last week, not with a run game but with a passing game.

Arizona only ran the ball for 72 yards against them, and passed the ball 14 more times than they ran it in that game.

Dallas can beat the Giants with the pass just like Arizona, if we need to.

Thanks for your apology, although I’m not sure that it is necessary. I return an apology to you to. We do have a difference of opinions on a few issues, but we are both Cowboy fans and only want the best for our team.

And when the Cowboys win running the ball, you bet, I’m very happy. Actually we already did that this year versus CAR.

Winning takes talent, to repeat takes character. - John Wooden

by BishopWest on Oct 31, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I also believe

that if we are not a threat for the Super Bowl, then this coaching staff is to blame unfortunately, whether you or I like it or not, fair or not. It’s been too long since we’ve been a threat in the postseason, and nothing less will do at this point for this team and coaching staff.

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Oct 31, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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