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I propose we call our under achieving wide receiver Soy Williams.  I think the name Soy applies because Roy is a fake talent.  He is a substitute for a real #1 wider receiver.  Miles Austin has come on strong lately and in two games has nearly eclipsed Soy Williams Cowboys career receiving yards.  Soy put in another another terrible performance against the Falcons.  He had a few drops, a dumb penalty and did a strange jump move to hide the fact that he quit on a route.

We got hosed on the trade with Detroit.  We should cut our losses at the end of the season and use Soy's money on Miles Austin.  Maybe we should bench him now and see what Sam Hurd can do on the field.  Miles has stepped up in his moment, so let's give Hurd his chnace.  It is time to see what the bottom of our WR depth chart can do.  We don't need anymore Stanbach-type projects at the WR position.

Regardless, let's all agree to call him Soy. 

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What's not to like?

I think it is a great nickname for a fake #1 WR

by D3R3K on Oct 26, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

because of this

We got hosed on the trade with Detroit. We should cut our losses at the end of the season and use Soy’s money on Miles Austin. Maybe we should bench him now and see what Sam Hurd can do on the field.

PUHLEASE.

by what_the_crap on Oct 26, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is awesome!

I agree. In Hurd’s limited time he has made alot of big plays. Roy has made 1 in 16 games. So sorry for Soy!!!!

How 'Bout Them Cowboys!!!!

by emmitt22 on Oct 26, 2009 3:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hurd has made two

in his entire time as a Cowboy. The play against Denver this year (which was all thanks to Tony) and the slant against the Giants in 2007 are the only ones that jump out to me.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Oct 26, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know you guys don't really like Crayton either because of his mouth...

But he’s your clear 2 right now. Williams is absolutely killing drives right now. I don’t know how much longer they’ll give him to start producing before he finds himself coming off the bench. And it’s not just production – I hear Jerry Jones constantly spouting that Williams is a really hard worker (and I’m not in the Cowboys’ training facilities to have an opinion on that), but when I watch I see a player with body language right now that is screaming “I DON’T CARE.”

by Bye, Dawk :( on Oct 26, 2009 3:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think it is fair to say he doesn't care...

He pretty much owned up to sucking yesterday. He said it was the worst game he has ever played and he vowed to improve. Its one thing to question a guy’s talent, but I don’t think it is fair to attack Roy on the basis that he doesn’t care.

As for his production, I was supremely disappointed with yesterday’s game from the perspective of Roy Williams. He had drops, some poor routes, and was clearly not in the flow of the game (that offensive PI call was pure BS). However, I don’t think you can just give up on him that easily. He has shown this season a few glimmers of what he could be if him and Tony could get on the same page and for that reason it is worth keeping him in (we need to emphasize the slant he had yesterday). Much like how Austin is blowing up now that him and Romo are on the same page, I think Roy could see a huge improvement in numbers if him and Tony can just get it together because if it isn’t a Roy mistake, it is a bad throw by Tony. Plus, I know we have all this talk of playing through pain, but it is undeniable that he was hurt yesterday (that shot he took in Denver had to really hurt). For these reasons I am willing to give him a pass for yesterday’s performance.

And as for those who would rather have Crayton or Hurd, you guys are crazy. Hurd has made one big play this year (the Denver one) and that was all due to Tony’s improvisation. At least I have seen Roy catch a fast ball (something Hurd isn’t really good at). And as for Crayton, I would much rather have Roy simply because he brings some size to the corps and has only shown the dropsies in a game he was injured (not the case for Crayton).

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Oct 26, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know how much longer they’ll give him to start producing before he finds himself coming off the bench.

Won’t happen. Even if Wade or Garrett want to, its Jerry’s call.

by MicThaRock on Oct 28, 2009 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and that is this team's problem in a nutshell

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Oct 28, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As for Crayton...

I don’t think most Cowboy’s fans dislike Crayton’s skills, just his mouth. He has great hands and makes a great slot receiver, but just an average #2 guy

How 'Bout Them Cowboys!!!!

by emmitt22 on Oct 26, 2009 3:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Crayton's big mouth

matches his big eyes. I didn’t like him complaining to the media about his reduced role. Good thing Ed Werder did not get the scoop or ESPN would have preempted 30 for 30 to air it.

Crayton made some big plays against the Falcons. I can’t remember him having a better punt return. He looked fast and fearless.

by D3R3K on Oct 26, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is a good point.

He did show some flashes of brilliance in the preseason. Let’s see what he can do.

by D3R3K on Oct 26, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Ogletree looked really good in the last pre-season game. I believe he was playing against starting corners in the first quarter of that game. Crisp routes and good hands.

Garrett needs to get a clue!

by BulletBob on Oct 26, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+100

~Texas Massacre '09~

by TheHeat on Oct 26, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He can still be our Keyshawn.

That said, we could’ve had Percy Harvin with the pick we traded.

by jsams on Oct 26, 2009 4:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1 That is the perfect Role for Roy, but he HAS to catch the Ball.

The issue, is that Witten is the possession guy now and we really need someone to stretch the field that opposing defenses respect. Roy may get better if teams start doubling Miles. Crayton has still let us down too many times to put in front of Roy. Lets try the current mix for few more games. Lets see if Roy responds to someone pushing him.

by Dooud on Oct 26, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No thanks

You will eat crow.. Roy Williams is a talented receiver…it may take another 16 games for him and Romo to get on the same page…when they do…he will be a beast!!!!

by tb0n3 on Oct 26, 2009 4:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope it doesn't take that long

I’m not ready to throw a guy with his talent under the bus yet, but I do feel somewhat disappointed so far.

Are you ready for some football???

by APerfectStar on Oct 27, 2009 4:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

16 games?

Favre turned Sydney Rice into a star without even going to training camp! Roy should have shown us something by now. All I see is a guy who is slow, runs sloppy routes, and has crappy hands.

by DoomsdayD75 on Oct 27, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you kidiing?

Roy can’t run a simple 10 yard route without qiitting or plain dropping the ball. This is the Not For Long (NFL) and for 45 million dollars and three draft picks, He sould have been at pro bowl level last year. He SUCKS!!!

by Martin79 on Oct 26, 2009 4:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Do you remember these plays?

(11:34) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass deep right to 11-R.Williams for 66 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
(7:44) 9-T.Romo pass deep right to 11-R.Williams pushed ob for 23 yards
(8:26) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass short middle to 11-R.Williams for 26 yards

Give them some time and Tony Romo and Roy Williams will have some more plays like these.

Winning takes talent, to repeat takes character. - John Wooden

by BishopWest on Oct 26, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dallas should gift wrap

Roy and just give him back to Detroit for nothing….Lessons learned.

by Martin79 on Oct 26, 2009 4:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

For What?

He hasn’t showed up yet. He’s good for at least one catch and four drops every game. That statistically puts him below Hurd. At what point do you think he’ll start to play up to at least a third receiver’s stats. I know he’s single covered and can’t get open,hummm must Romo’s fault because he’s too busy hitting Austin for over 450 yards in two games.

by Martin79 on Oct 26, 2009 5:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What are you on dude?

Hurd has five catches this year. Five. That’s it.

Roy has 12 and is responsible for 10 first downs. And that is without him and Romo showing any sort of repertoire. When Roy and Tony get on the same page, you will see him produce. Like I said earlier, guys without a lot of talent don’t put up 1300 yards. That just doesn’t happen.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Oct 26, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you confuse repertoire with rapport.

by Bluetooth on Oct 26, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed I did...

Goes to show what multi-tasking can do to one’s ability to write….

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Oct 26, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right, I exaggerated

however Austin has 21, Witten 33, Crayton17, and Tashard Choice who splits time with two other backs has 13. Roy is not doing his job and in any other business you work to your pay grade and only one time in his entire career has even had better than1000 yards in a year and it was three years ago. I would love to see him become a number one receiver at this point I would settle for a number two. But even you have to admit 2 catches per game and one touchdown in six is not helping the Cowboys—-Earn Your Money!!

by Martin79 on Oct 26, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that Roy is not making good on his contract as of right now...

At the same time though I believe that once Roy and Romo finally click as a QB-WR combo we will see a huge increase in production because as of right now they just aren’t on the same page. In the same way Miles Austin has seen a spike in production due to him and Romo finally being on the same page, I think Roy can and will do much better once him and Romo clear some things up. If you bench him though, you take away that possibility and limit the potential of this offense because I think we can all agree that Roy’s potential is higher than Crayton and Hurd.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Oct 26, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

5, thats right

And he has only played about 20% of the snaps Soy has. Soy blows

How 'Bout Them Cowboys!!!!

by emmitt22 on Oct 26, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please show me

where he’s earned any respect for the lack of effort we see every Sunday.

by Martin79 on Oct 26, 2009 5:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You same people who would cut Roy

would have probably cut Miles Austin last year.

“He hasn’t shown anything”
“He can’t hold onto the ball”
“Bench him and let Stanback play”

Think how stupid you would feel today if you had gotten your wish. Roy is frustrating me but as long as he and Romo keep working together, he will start showing some improvement on the field. He was looking a lot better until he got injured so we can agree to call him somewhat of a p*ssy but not a bust.

by Billito on Oct 26, 2009 5:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

And alot of attention goes towards the team’s investment of Roy.

Well, they also invested a good three years into developing Austin and Hurd.

I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
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by Aaron Novinger on Oct 26, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen...

Once Roy and Tony get on the same page, we will see the production we all are looking for.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Oct 26, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he just missed

a sweet post play probably for 6. He catches that and this post is moot. He’ll get better

by fretman on Oct 26, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have pleaded for Austin

to play more over the last three years. I have felt like he could spread the field because of his speed and big play ability or at least the threat of it and now he’s living up to it. I have trouble trusting in Roy when he is suppose the #1 option and as I said before we are six games in and he has TWELVE catches and ONE touchdown! At what point is he a bust? If it were your 45 milllion he was living on would you expect more Two first round draft picks later, when you could have had Percy Harvin or Hakeem Nicks with just one of those picks—You have to say BUST!

by Martin79 on Oct 26, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The trade for Roy Williams was a first and a third. Not two firsts.

by Bluetooth on Oct 26, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

keep guessing, maybe you'll get it right eventually..........

Winning takes talent, to repeat takes character. - John Wooden

by BishopWest on Oct 26, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

when people reach this point

do they ever step back and say, ‘ok, i’m making stuff up to justify my irrational stance, maybe i should take a step back’?

or do they just keep trucking along.

Coach Winters: Mississippi State's offensive set. 2nd & 2 on our own 24, what defensive set might we call?
Alvin Mack: Eagle Zipper Hero, unless the setback shifts into the I.
Coach Winters: Good..[clicks to next slide], third and seven?
Alvin Mack: Oakie Thunder Lion. {What's your assignment?}
Alvin Mack: Kill the quarterback. {{Coach Winters clicks to next slide}}
Alvin Mack: Hit the tight end so hard his girlfriend dies. {{Coach Winters clicks to next slide}}
Alvin Mack: Kill everybody.

by KDP on Oct 26, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

There are a few guys who go off the reservation and decide to stay there.

Are you ready for some football???

by APerfectStar on Oct 27, 2009 4:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's wrong with Hurd?

Runs great routes, plays sp teams. Just because he couldn’t beat the best CB in the last decade in Denver? The second pass he was interfered with. And Romo trusts him

How 'Bout Them Cowboys!!!!

by emmitt22 on Oct 26, 2009 5:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nothing. They won't inactivate him.

He, like Pat Watkins, is too important to the special teams.

I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
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by Aaron Novinger on Oct 26, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing is wrong with him

but he isn’t on Roy’s level talent-wise. It really is just that simple.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Oct 26, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

All 12 catches? I think he can do that well,

besides Romo wasn’t going to him when there’s Witten, Hurd, Austin, Bennett, and maybe three or four cheerleaders that have better talent then Roy.

by Martin79 on Oct 26, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't get your point right here.

You’re saying that Romo didn’t throw to him b/c of all the other weapons he has, yet somehow the less-talented Hurd is going to take passes away from those guys.

by Joon on Oct 26, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

What I’m saying is those are more reliable prospects than Soy

by Martin79 on Oct 27, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hilarious...

You clearly don’t really have a grasp on this whole Roy Williams thing since you already said that you thought the trade was for two firsts. Perhaps you should just stop.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Oct 26, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are right

I was confusing the Galloway trade with the Roy Wms trade. However, the essence of what I was saying is the same. If it were you paying top money for someone who only performs at a low to mediocre level….. how long would you put up with “give it more time” and eventually I may earn that money?

by Martin79 on Oct 27, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think six games is enough time

especially since him and Romo have not come close to getting on the same page. I think this combo has a lot of potential because both have shown talent in the NFL and that potential is why I am willing to leave him in.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Oct 27, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not saying

that there is really much in the the way of options, just that I think for all that was given there is still no dividends being payed.

by Martin79 on Oct 27, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am not saying Roy should be cut, but that trade is looking awful

He has not done squat since he came to Dallas, and did not do a whole lot when he was in Detroit for that matter. That trade (and the ensuing contract) were a big price to pay for a guy whose NFL career is a story of unrealized potential thus far. Can he turn it around? Maybe, but he is not getting any younger and he seems to be getting dinged up on a regular basis. Those factors make it less likely to happen.

It seems like his staunchest defenders here are those who remember how great he was in college. Other than his one decent year in Detroit, what has he done in the NFL that makes any of you hopeful?

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Oct 26, 2009 5:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I would agree that the trade looks awful now based off production...

The one thing that keeps me optimistic though is that we have never seen him really have a chance to shine since him and Romo have not yet gotten on the same page. And personally, I somehow doubt that they will never be able to get it together. Much like how Austin blew up once him and Tony developed that extra trust, I believe we can see a similar thing with Roy later this year. Plus, I really don’t think that guys without talent put up 1300 yards in a single season. That just doesn’t happen.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Oct 26, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Without T.O. type numbers

Roy can never live up to two first round draft picks and money against the cap they’ll never get back .

by Martin79 on Oct 26, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And again with the two first round picks...

Is it that hard to understand that the trade was Roy for a first and a third round pick?

And as for TO numbers, I could care less (plus it looks like Miles can pick up that slack). All I want is winning, and I think Roy pushes us closer to winning considering the fact that he is one of the top three receiving threats on this team. Once he gets on the same page as Romo the production will take care of itself like it has for Miles. Plus, to be honest, I don’t think he has even played that badly other than on Sunday and that was with hurt ribs. Honestly dude, relax about the whole thing. The season is still young and I think the 911 connection will eventually take off once they build their confidence a little bit.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Oct 26, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's a sorry argument you make

It sure is true that Roy hasn’t lived up to his trade potential. Not yet at least. But your argument is sorry. Why? Becuase it’s based on a quick judgement, that’s why sir. I was very patient with Austin, and look how hw has turned out. How about just accepting the fact that Romo hasn’t sync’ed with Roy yet, and be patient. I see more bad passes to Roy than his so-called alleged drops. It’s sure easy to say that the trade hasn’t worked out (at least not yet) but Roy deserves the benefit of the doubt. He is a good teammate, and a hard worker. Once Romo finds his groove with him, we are going to be the pass offense that “we thought we were”, and then you’ll eat crow.

I thought that when Kitna was about to come in after Romo got injured, that Kitna would bring Roy into the game more. I know Kitna knows how to pass the ball to Roy, but Romo doesn’t have that groove with Roy yet. It hasn’t happened yet, but it will happen. Roy is a different type of reciever than we’ve had on the team in the past.

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Oct 26, 2009 5:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Quick Judgement? Hard Working?

This is his 6th year in the league. He had half a season and an entire off season to get in sync with Romo. He was a #1 WR at a big time college program. He should not need as much development as Hurd or Austin.

He admitted to never lifting weights in Detroit! Other than a kicker, How can you do that and play in the NFL? That is not hard working.

by D3R3K on Oct 26, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well let's see...

Miles looked pretty out of sync with Romo in Denver and then magically developed a great rapport with him for the last two games. Just goes to show how fickle “being on the same page” can be. Romo and Roy just need a little more confidence in one another and then I think we will see them more closely reach their potential as a QB-WR combo.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Oct 26, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand the hate for roy though i don't feel it myself

we traded a ton to get him and so far its been a terrible deal. The guy has done nothing for us.

But don’t give up on him yet. For whatever reason, Romo and him (and its been both of them) haven’t clicked like romo has with austin. Give it some time. I think Roy, a very solid possesion wr whose also a good blocker, will come around for us. If he does,he and austin are PERFECT compliments.

If hes stil not performing by the end fo the year, I will think differently. But I have faith in him – hes a good receiver.

by foyesboys on Oct 26, 2009 6:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Tell you what, if he goes on to have a bad year…I will call him Soy Williams throughout the offseason.

Everything's looking up, Milhouse!

by accidental innuendo on Oct 26, 2009 6:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It was a terrible trade

But as Grizz pointed out last week, that is on Jerry the GM, not on Roy. He can’t control what we gave up for him and Romo throws him some bad balls sometimes. On that slant yesterday, the pass hit him in the knees.

by Billito on Oct 26, 2009 6:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

yeah, on that one you mention, Troy said something like, “He and Tony just can’t get on the same page.” Roy didn’t throw it.

Of the five balls, one was a good snag of a ball zipping in there pretty good, two were drops that should have been caught (one reaching up, though, with ribs that I guarantee you are still pretty sore) and two were clearly uncatchable.

"We'll see." --Bill Parcells

by Uncle Angus on Oct 28, 2009 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not right no

but if we get 800 yard, consistent possesion wr, big red zone threat performance from him down the line..he will be everything we need.

DOes the trade look awful? yep. And i will never look great, but keep in mind the high bust rate of 1st round wrs. If Roy becomes conistant threat, he won’t need to put up big TO type numbers for the trade to be a + for us

by foyesboys on Oct 26, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right now he is the 75th in receptions in the NFL

and he’ll be in his fourth year with Dallas before before he gets to 800 yards at his current rate.

by Martin79 on Oct 26, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apparently your grasp of math is as good as your grasp of the Roy Williams trade...

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Oct 26, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apparently you should look it up on Y-T-D reception leaders

on ESPN stats and Soy is Number 75. He has 30 catches 412 yards and been thrown to 67 times in 13 games. Now we can start with your math class today.

by Martin79 on Oct 27, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apparently you don't understand math

Roy Williams = 31 catches, 428 yards, 2 TDs as a Cowboy in 11 games started

(from NFL.com)

To me, using basic math, that would seem to mean he is projected to have 800 yards as a Cowboy in just under 22 games started. Amazingly, 22 games (11 more games started) is not quite equal to his “fourth year with Dallas” barring significant injury. Of course, personally, I think he will get it much faster once him and Romo get on the same page, but if you wish to wallow in cynicism, then by all means do so.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Oct 27, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem is

this cynisim goes both ways. I can tell by this you already have Roy’s jersey and that makes ONLY your opinion of the trade correct. The stats I used shorted Roy that one phenominal catch from Sunday and 16 yards. He needs more than 16 games with Romo to be a successful receiver and yet Austin only recently started practicing with the first team and has shown more improvement than #11. At 9 million per year I guess he’ll catch on eventually.

by Martin79 on Oct 27, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually don't have his jersey...

And I am not even a Texas fan, but even if I did, that wouldn’t preclude me from having a valid opinion.

And anyway, I didn’t look up the stats because I didn’t trust you, it was because I was interested to see the distribution.

Regardless, your entire premise at the end is wrong. The week before KC, Miles Austin looked completely out of sync with the offense despite seeing some prime snaps. He ran a wrong route leading to an INT and was basically invisible. As you could tell watching the game, a lot of this was due to the fact that him and Romo just didn’t have that intangible “trust.” Then the next week, he comes in, catches a pass early, gets on the same page as Romo, and then benefits from it by having Romo target him in times of duress. Romo and Roy need to have a similar breakout game and then I think they can start to reach their potential. For whatever reason they just aren’t a great combo right now, but I think that can easily change just as Austin saw his connection with Romo change. If we take your suggested action though and bench him, you prevent him from ever having a chance to breakout and therefore nearly guarantee that the Cowboys will never recoup on their investment in Roy Williams.

Oh, and by the way, Miles Austin has been around Romo a whole lot longer than Roy Williams.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Oct 27, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not suggesting benching him

entirely but more rotation couldn’t hurt. Romo hit Austin when he flew by everyone and when he ran precise routes-neither has Roy shown on a consistent basis. It doesn’t matter how long Austin has shared the same locker room, it’s how long they have practiced together, learned tendencies from each other and trusted he would catch the ball and Roy has more time including the off-season working directly with Romo and still no chemistry. In all honesty, I wish he would breakout and become that #1 receiver but if it doesn’t happen soon, this trade was a bust.

by Martin79 on Oct 27, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry to interject

But Romo and Austin have had a lot more hours of practice time together than Romo and Roy. It’s not even close. Considering they’ve been team mates since 2006, before Romo won the starting job.

Roy didn’t get any substantial practice time with Romo until this off-season because of injuries they both went through last season.
I’m not trying to make excuses for Roy, but on this point, the facts aren’t disputable.

Are you ready for some football???

by APerfectStar on Oct 27, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you are the fourth, fifth or sixth receiver

on the depth chart, you don’t get to practice with the first team unless someone is injured and that would be hard for Austin because he has been injured alot over his short career and Romo became the starter in 2006 which means the actual amount of time they broke huddles together is very little. Even as Austin moved up the depth chart he still practiced with the second team until this year.

by Martin79 on Oct 27, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He has had a few injuries, I wouldn't say a lot

And I agree, after Romo became the starter Austin didn’t get as much practice time in until last season. He was getting practice time with the starting offense. If you recall, Hurd was injured and Austin was #3. Austin went on a mini-streak last season between the 2nd game and the 7th game he racked up most of his stats for the year.

Are you ready for some football???

by APerfectStar on Oct 27, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep, during that mini-streak

Austin caught 10 balls for 229 yards (nearly 23 ypc) and 3 TD’s

I think it was a sign of things to come.

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by BishopWest on Oct 27, 2009 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Increasing the rotation

will also hamper Tony’s ability to get on the same page as Roy and visa-versa. The way I see it, we should leave it as it is and try to grow that QB-WR combo. Plus, its not like this offense is struggling or that we would be considerably better without Roy. Why hamper our future potential (referring to Romo getting on the same page as Roy) to simply “fix” something that isn’t broken?

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Oct 28, 2009 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand the argument

But it is my faith that Romo and Roy can get on the same page (and therefore tap the full potential as a QB-WR combo) in the future that leads me to defend Roy. If I thought this was the way it will be forever, then there is not much to defend. But considering how things change within a season I am not willing to simply write off Roy. We still haven’t seen him on the same page as Romo and when that happens I think the potential is there to see the production that many expect.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Oct 26, 2009 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The trade

Was a first, a third, and a sixth for Roy and DET’s 7th, or more specifically

DAL received Roy Williams and pick #193

DET received picks #20, #82, #179

Basically Jerry gave them a first and third for Roy. It seems a bit steep right now, but I’ll wait until a few seasons have passed to call it a bust or a good deal. Regardless, Dallas still had 12 picks this year, not like we traded away the future. Certainly nothing like the Walker trade.
Not even the Galloway trade. The Bus is an idiot.

Are you ready for some football???

by APerfectStar on Oct 27, 2009 4:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

The 2009 Dallas Cowboys: Talk to me in December.
The NFC East has won 11 Super Bowls; oddly none of those have come courtesy of the Eagles.

by gee-roj on Oct 27, 2009 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's just say it like it is

If you invest highly on a player and he produces just 59 catches, less than a 1000 yards and 3 TDs in the first 2 years of his career, is he a bust?

That’s Roddy White, and he’s older than Roy.

And Keith Brooking’s career was supposed to be over less than a year ago…

You can have an opinion, but you have a really high % of chances of being wrong.

Viva México! Go Cowboys!

by Chandus on Oct 26, 2009 7:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

When you trade your future

with draft picks and cap money to sign people, the object is to produce now and I have to believe they thought they were getting an accomplished pro not someone who needs six years to grow into the position they were hired for now.

by Martin79 on Oct 26, 2009 8:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

True, but playing WR isn't as simple as running real fast and catching

And even less simple with a timing Offense like the one that the Cowboys run… For example, ‘Tellus Bennett has boatloads of talent, but he isn’t being productive, is he a bust or an awful player?

His problem is timing with Garrett’s system and Romo, and out of everything that I’ve seen I can conclude that the same thing is happening with Williams, they seem to be off too often and Romo won’t throw the ball if he doesn’t trust his target (which is what we want, as that decreases the amount of negative plays).

Your problem is believing that the present is the past. If he finishes the season without improving I’ll accept that you’re right, but right now I believe in improvement because they have talent.

Viva México! Go Cowboys!

by Chandus on Oct 26, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marty B doesn't get looks and is

an awesome blocker. Roy gets looks, drops them and doesn’t block

How 'Bout Them Cowboys!!!!

by emmitt22 on Oct 26, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

One of the side effects of Soy

is that it blocks testosterone

by D3R3K on Oct 26, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ha ha

How 'Bout Them Cowboys!!!!

by emmitt22 on Oct 26, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow...

Talk about uninformed…

The only game that Roy has had problems with the dropsies was the last one and if there is one thing he is damn good at, it is perimeter blocking.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Oct 26, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the Cowboys had lost to the Falcons

most of you would be so optimistic and high on the guy.

by D3R3K on Oct 26, 2009 9:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes I would...

I don’t put wins and losses on players like that. Only the people who like to take the easy way out assign blame like that.

You win as a team and you lose as a team. You are taught that the first time you play team sports. If we had lost, Roy wouldn’t have been the only reason and all of my arguments would still hold the same amount of weight since I am not using winning to justify his performance.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Oct 26, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exhibit a)

Tony Romo sucks in December and January – Easy way out.

The whole team decides to have lowlights in December and January – The truth.

Viva México! Go Cowboys!

by Chandus on Oct 26, 2009 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also

You don’t trade a 1st rounder for 800 yards and 3 tds. Idiotic point

How 'Bout Them Cowboys!!!!

by emmitt22 on Oct 26, 2009 9:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That is of course because you don’t trade anything for stats. You trade based on potential and Roy’s potential hasn’t gone anywhere. Just wait until him and Romo get on the same page.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Oct 26, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

SOY

Soy milk, soy latte, soy cakes, soy! Soy SOY SOY!

How 'Bout Them Cowboys!!!!

by emmitt22 on Oct 26, 2009 9:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I admit the Soy Williams is funny

but, I haven’t given up on Roy yet.. Chemistry isn’t easily developed, I just want Roy to stay healthy, so he can get on the same page with Romo.

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by Wmillion on Oct 26, 2009 10:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Let's see how the season progresses

I believe he was injured yesterday and that affected his play. I’ve seen too much potential from him to give up on him. I think Austin’s emergence will help him dramatically. We don’t need him to be Jerry Rice or Michael Irvin. We need him to be a receiver that Romo trusts and uses to keep the chains moving. This offense is built to spread the ball around and if Roy can take his throws and make a few plays we’ll be winning. Did we have to give up all the draft picks and pay him that kind of money to get that? No. But that’s done so at this point, look to the offensive production of the team and let’s see how he figures into it as the season progresses. If the Boys are deep in the playoffs, and Roy is a consistent contributor, while not a great deal, will we be glad to have Roy? If he’s playing in late January or early February, will you be calling him Soy? How about recognizing he’s a Cowboy and can be a good player and supporting him instead of playing rhyme games with names. If you come of with some funnier names we’ll call you Hyst3ric D3r3k.

by Kansas Cowboy on Oct 26, 2009 10:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

OK, this is weird..

I read a fanpost and a few comments and start formulating a response…and then I get to the last post..and it says almost verbatim what I wanted to point out..
My main point was going to be: Wait till teams start scheming defense to stop our new weapon (Austin). Wouldn’t you want someone like Williams on the other side of the line? As soon as he and Romo get on the same page consistently I say watch out. You’ll be eating some soy.

by Benthere on Oct 26, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We're not even 7 games in yet

I’ll reserve my judgment until then. I’m with others who say that Roy could thrive in a Keyshawn type role. We paid too steep of a price to get the guy, but he could still be a very effective weapon for us going forward.

But I will say that the trade and contract we gave Roy could hurt us when we want to resign Austin, which is a given if he keeps this pace up. I’m assuming Jerry and Stephen are smart enough to pay that kid a hefty sum to stick around.

Epic Fail since 1985

by the red scare on Oct 26, 2009 11:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And furthermore

I really like Japanese food, so I love me some soy!!

Viva México! Go Cowboys!

by Chandus on Oct 26, 2009 11:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m willing to let the entire season run its course…

…before I hang Roy Williams out to dry. I’ve seen this sort of thing many times before in the NFL, where a receiver takes awhile to blossom in a new offense. Roy had some big catches against Tampa in the opener and I suspect we’ll see more of that before season’s end; especially if defenses start rolling their coverage towards Austin and or start matching their number 2 corners on Roy.

If not, then at season’s end the Cowboys can hopefully cut their losses and move on. I know I’ll be rooting for a cap free 2010 season. This would keep cutting a player like Roy from being a cap liability and free Jerry up to spend money on a nice free agent acquisition like Richard Seymour, (who would transform this Dallas defense from being very good to a Pittsburgh level of dominant IMHO).

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The NFC East has won 11 Super Bowls; oddly none of those have come courtesy of the Eagles.

by gee-roj on Oct 27, 2009 7:57 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Fans have to understand that qb/wr chemistry takes time

It doesn’t happen over night and eventually they will start making some plays.

Remember, Romo and Austin had much more time to develop a chemistry with one another so just give RW some time, I think he’ll be okay.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Oct 27, 2009 8:20 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No

If Roy doesn’t finish the season with 1300 yards and 15 TD’s then he is a bust.

by Damnsammit on Oct 27, 2009 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

bust as a #1 WR? yeah, maybe

but not as a productive player. If he ends up with 700-800 yards and 7-8 TDs, I’d be okay with that considering we have so many other weapons.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Oct 27, 2009 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

-1

Winning takes talent, to repeat takes character. - John Wooden

by BishopWest on Oct 27, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he was being sarcastic...

At least I hope he was…

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Oct 27, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess...

Unfortunately, people really do hold the viewpoint that you were portraying as hyperbole.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Oct 27, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What you people are missing....

Besides the draft picks, we paid made him one of the highest paid receivers in the league. 9 mill a year! And I’m not saying you trade for stats, but someone said if he had 800 yards the trad would be worth it. No way! and did anyone pay attention to how many drops he had in Detroit. He dropped a TD earlier in the year and had at least one other big drop I remember. That would even be ok, if he also made more than 3 catches a game! Take your bias blinders off people!!!! He is SOY!!!

How 'Bout Them Cowboys!!!!

by emmitt22 on Oct 27, 2009 3:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well he averages 19 yards per catch this year

so to give up so easily in such a small amount of time seems ridiculous to me. It is even more ridiculous when you consider that by benching him you prohibit him from ever allowing you to recoup on your investment since you essentially prevent him from getting on the same page on Romo at the level that you need to see him produce significantly. Its one thing to demand better, but its quite another to not give him the chance to do better.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Oct 27, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure you're right on the 19 yards per catch

but I think stats like that can lie. How many times was he thrown to and dropped the pass? I would average those drops into the equation. Also, how often was he not thrown to on a pass play because he couldn’t get separation? Those two issues (drops and getting separation) are what I see as being Williams’ worst attributes as a receiver.

I hope he does start to produce, and maybe its just a issue of he and Romo getting on the same page. But I would be willing to bet that if you checked TO’s first 6 games with Romo (you can even write off the half season from last year), that you would see that they were able to get in sync a lot quicker with much better results through those 6 games. Yes, TO is easily a better receiver than Williams, but a true #1 should be earning his money at this point. Its pretty sad when an undrafted free agent can surpass your total for a 16 game span in receptions, yards, TDs, and YPR. Yep, I’d have to say that Jerry should be tasered the next time he tries to trade for a WR.

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by Waterloo Joe on Oct 27, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are certainly right...

As of right now I would agree that Roy hasn’t justified the trade. However, I believe given more time, he certainly has potential to be a very good player for the Cowboys. I was simply using the 19 yards per catch to illustrate that potential.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Oct 27, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Roy will be fine.

He’s just in a funk and playing through pain. When he and Romo get on the same page, then watch out!

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by Aaron Novinger on Oct 27, 2009 6:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I still agree this is the case.

Add in the fact that the coaches haven’t quite nailed down the right routes for Roy. They seem to be trying to plug him in to TO’s spot, which you might assume would work. But he’s not being utilized correctly if he’s running TO’s routes.

Like in basketball, some 4s can play the 3, and some can play the 5, but they can’t all play the 3 AND the 5.

I think he’ll catch some of these balls he’s dropping when his ribs are healed.

"We'll see." --Bill Parcells

by Uncle Angus on Oct 28, 2009 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Soy

I love edamame

How 'Bout Them Cowboys!!!!

by emmitt22 on Oct 27, 2009 9:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Soy

Williams

How 'Bout Them Cowboys!!!!

by emmitt22 on Oct 29, 2009 9:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope

Soy is all healed up and ready to go in Seattle.

by D3R3K on Oct 31, 2009 3:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

SOY

Will today be Soy’s breakout game in his 17th try?

How 'Bout Them Cowboys!!!!

by emmitt22 on Nov 1, 2009 10:54 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

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