Austin Helps Romo Regain His Powers
In his Monday column, my buddy Bob Sturm posed a question all Dallas fans have pondered the last year or so:
I think we can all agree [Romo] also once had a groove. In his first 25 or so games in the NFL, he was somewhere between amazing and unbelievable. Then, something happened where he hit adversity and we began to see the weaknesses in his game. And for the last 20 or so starts, he just has not been the same guy who seemed like he played the game with everything happening around him in slow motion. Was something wrong with him?
I think I can answer that one. Something was wrong with Tony Romo-- he lost his mojo. He didn't have a number one receiving target.
In those first 25 games, where Romo was playing shagadelic football, he had at least one elite-performing wideout, whom he could trust. I dug out my trusty Scientific Football annuals and looked at the YPAs for receivers who had at least 100 attempts per season. These are regulars, the guys who saw at least half a dozen balls per game thrown their way.
2006
- Lee Evans, Buffalo, 10.6
- Terry Glenn, Dallas, 10.3
- Chad Johnson, Cincinnati, 10.0
- Marques Colston, New Orleans 9.8
- Marvin Harrison, Indianapolis, 9.8
(That T.O. guy finished 22nd overall, at 8.0.)
2007
- Reggie Wayne, Indianapolis, 10.6
- Terrell Owens, Dallas, 9.7
- Roddy White, Atlanta, 9,6
- Jerricho Cotchery, N.Y. Jets, 9.6
- Randy Moss, New England, 9.3
(Patrick Crayton had a strong 9.5 YPA but didn't have enough attempts to qualify. He also had a dismal 2.8 YPA against elite, red-level CBs, comparied to T.O.'s 9.4. Before I move to my main argument, consider what a healthy Glenn could have meant to the '07 team? Not enough has been written about what the team lost when his knee broke down in training camp that year.)
Now, let's consider what happened in those next 20 games, which coincide with opening day '08 through the Broncos game this year. Romo broke his pinkie, obviously, and lost three games. Even more important, he lost his number one. Roy Williams was imported from Detroit to take the role, but his heel injury took his game away. I've made the point in several other columns, but it bears repeating -- Williams had a 15.4 yards per reception average his first month with the team and shockingly bad 4.6 YPC after he developed plantar fasciitis.
And that T.O. fellow? He lost it, sometime in the fourth quarter of the week two Eagles game. He destroyed Philly's secondary that night but topped 80 yards in just three of his last fourteen games. His YPA dropped to 7.5, which put him in the bottom third of receivers who saw lots of passes.
Romo lost the elite receiving complement to Jason Witten, and his purple mojo flowed away. For the last two weeks, however, Miles Austin has played like Lance Alworth, a pantheon-level number 19. Austin's 16 catches and 421 yards look impressive. In YPA terms, they're just as good.
2009 to date
- Austin - 35 attempts, 21,completions, 502 yards, 14.3 YPA
- Wiliams - 30 attempts, 12 completions, 230 yards, 7.7 YPA
14.3 is off-the-charts good. Let me be the first to say, however, that it's premature to anoint Miles Austin. The league hasn't had a chance to start game planning to stop him. And he hasn't started a game in the division, where Corey Webster, Carlos Rogers and the Eagles pair of Asante Samuels and Sheldon Brown, all red-level corners in '08, await him. That said, even if Austin drops off a bit, he still could rank among the league leaders in YPA with consistent play.
I also think it's equally premature to put Roy Williams in the Joey Galloway, Cowboys-bust category. A 7.7 YPA isn't great, but it's better than T.O.'s 08 number and there's no reason to expect William's performance to slide any more. A modest improvement would give the '09 pair similar productivity to Glenn's and Owen's '06 numbers.
It's easy to whack at the draft value points lost on the Williams deal with Detroit, and consider what Dallas could have obtained besides. But if you're going to parse that trade, you have to include the value retained by the trade the Cowboys didn't make.
The Jets seriously considered signing Austin, a New Jersey guy, to an offer sheet which would have given the Cowboys New York's 2nd round pick in compensation. The Jets never made Austin an offer, in part because Dallas made it clear that they would do what was necessary to keep him.
Contemplate the damage that deal would have wreaked. The Jets picked 53rd overall, two spots behind Dallas' 2nd round selection. Recall that Dallas traded out of that spot, because all of their primary 2nd round targets were gone. If Dallas couldn't find value for one pick, what would they have done with two? And who could Dallas have pulled out of a subsequent round to match Austin's current production?
You can't judge trades strictly on draft points. You have to evaluate value to the position and to the team. Right now, I think that the value Dallas preserved by keeping Miles Austin outweighs any value the team lost obtaining Roy Williams. And that doesn't consider the value he's has added to his quarterback's game. A guy named Austin has helped restore Tony Romo's powers, and not a moment too soon.
Yeah, baby!
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by quincyyyyy on Oct 27, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's just as childish...
At least the first kind of childish annoys the likes of you, which is fun.
Your childish shows that you’re annoyed, but doesn’t provoke a blip out of anyone else.
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by Chandus on Oct 27, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mojo
got to get it working.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Oct 27, 2009 9:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well if you are not going to break out the annoiting oil then I am
Romo and Austin are going to do amazing things together. And what makes it even more special is that they are both undrafted from division 1-AA schools.
by quincyyyyy on Oct 27, 2009 9:41 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm ready.
Do we dot it on their foreheads with our thumbs, or just kind of splash it at that with some wand?
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
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by Aaron Novinger on Oct 28, 2009 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL +1
Splash it on their jerseys a little. Maybe they both will keep breaking tackles hahahaha
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by CodeNamedG on Oct 28, 2009 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is truly an amazing analysis.
I just hope Austin continues to be at least half as good as he’s been and Roy to start producing. If this bad game was the result of playing hurt, then they need to rest him until he’s healthy…..
by ManTab on Oct 27, 2009 9:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The quickest way to loose your "mojo" ...
is always having to defend yourself. With every loss last season, there was a bunch of finger pointing and separation in the locker room. … IMO Romo felt the unrightful responsibility to put the team on his shoulders. It was a burden that overcame him.
Injuries, the lack of chemistry, and the undue pressure to force “certain” players the ball … caused the fall-off.
A few weeks ago, after the Denver loss, plenty fans were calling for Romo’s head, but I tell you, there is not another guy I’d rather be rooting for.
There is always something special about watching a player on your favorite team face advercity … and nothing more powerful than watching him overcome it!!
by spadesking131313 on Oct 27, 2009 10:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Going against Mini-me corners
like Grimes, help find his mojo. Love the title reference!
by RomoHomo on Oct 28, 2009 6:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most of the things you mention are what makes legends
Putting a team on your shoulders and playing under a lot of pressure is what great QB’s are known for. You use those as an excuse for Romo, which is exactly what a lot of the criticism about him was. Basically that based on the first 20-25 games everyone thought Dallas had he next great one and he dropped off once the pressure got to him.
by StillHateTheGiants on Oct 28, 2009 6:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to say wait a minute on that.
Would Staubach have been a legend without the Hail Mary? Would Aikman have been a legend without Irvin and Emmit? Would Terry Bradshaw have been a legend without Swann and the imaculate reception? Great qb’s put the recievers in a position to win their battles, but the recievers still have to catch the ball.
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
by GunsUp on Oct 28, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
It’s painful to watch the Giants playoff game, but the more you look at it, the more you realize that a lot went wrong with that game. Save for an inaccurate pass here or there, I can only find fault with Romo on 2 plays in the game (the throw away that was called a grounding penalty, though Barber was trying to get in the vicinity, and when he didn’t throw the ball away and was sacked).
I suggest to those who believe it was Romo who lost that game to watch it again. You’ll see a QB single handedly keeping the team in the game.
by jdramirez on Oct 28, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Hail Mary wasn't Staubach's only reason for how he is perceived
The guy did it repeatedly. I may not have communicated very well. The original post seemed to me to say there were a number of excuses for Romo’s fall off, things I believe all great QB’s have to overcome.
Injuries, the lack of chemistry, and the undue pressure to force "certain" players the ball … caused the fall-off.
I personally believe the only thing that prevents Tony Romo from consistently playing at an elite level is between his ears. I also think that is what seperates most of the legends from the average or good. He’s played very well recently, I hope he keeps it up.
by StillHateTheGiants on Oct 28, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was clicking as I read
I was so pro-TO-has-to-go, nothing else really compared. In the back of my mind, (maybe I haven’t allowed myself to consider it) but somewhere back there I was worried that with no TO, maybe Romo wasn’t as good. He has been a mere human for the last season and a half. To me his slide started the day Jessica showed up in the stands in that pink jersey. He’s had a few good games since then, but he wasn’t the superman he was before she showed up. Thinking about that now, it seems silly to blame Romo’s slide on her. I DO think she affected him a little bit, but not from Superhuman to also-ran.
It’s clear Romo has chemistry with Austin. He has it with Crayton too, but I think Crayton has had his own demons the last season and a half. The Roy trade probably affected him as well. Anyway, thanks for putting it in such clear terms Raf. It may not be the whole answer, but it’s certainly thought-worthy. Here’s another little thought. He’s had just as many reps with Hurd, and I believe Hurd can be just as good as Austin, only in a different way. I’m not saying take Roy out of the lineup. Or Crayton. But get Hurd some passes too.
It’s a tough nut to crack because you also have Barber, Jones, & Choice that need reps to help this team. I haven’t even mentioned Witten and Bennett. These are good problems to have, but Romo needs a main horse. He always has. I think you gotta keep stickin that ball into Austin until he proves he can’t maintain the pace. Then and only then do you start trying to get Hurd the ball. You notice I haven’t even mentioned Ogletree. It’s going to take some blessed coaching to get all these guys involved. Is there such a thing as TOO MANY weapons? Oh, such problems to have.
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"
by White Wolf on Oct 27, 2009 10:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"He’s had just as many reps with Hurd, and I believe Hurd can be just as good as Austin,"
Nooooooooooooooo!
Look, I like Sam Hurd, but let’s take two scenarios:
1. K.C. Austin catches two passes within ten yards of the LOS, breaks tackles and runs away from everybody.
2. Denver — Hurd makes that 4th down catch inside of two minutes and has the corner turned when two Broncos run into each other.
If this is Austin, he scores going away —laughing.
Hurd gets caught from behind at the twenty.
This is the difference between being a potential number one and a 3rd or 4th receiver, which is what Sam Hurd is.
It’s also the difference between losing and going to overtime.
by Rafael Vela on Oct 27, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Austin's speed is a weapon, no doubt
I would be the last person to take away from anything Austin has done. It has seemed to save our season when our season needed saving. And there’s no reason to go away from feeding him the ball. That would be a huge mistake. I concede that Austin has the breakaway speed. He also has that looping move to shake defenders after catching the ball, and it has been working to a charm. I’m ecstatic about what Austin is doing.
Allow me to reword…I never believed Austin could do what he was doing. I’ve already eaten my serving of crow on that, right after the KC game, and now I’m enjoying being wrong as much as I ever have in my life. Loved the laughing going away score, BTW. I couldn’t believe he was actually laughing as he was streaking down the field. Too bad his name isn’t Steve. At least then we’d know how much to pay him.
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"
by White Wolf on Oct 28, 2009 6:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I loved Austin from day one.
I remember him in his rookie year returning the ball and fumbling at the end of each return. I thought he was ridiculously fast compared to the other guys on special teams. I heard on Czaban that he ran a 4.58 40 and was reported as not having breakaway speed. He apparently was 20 lbs. overweight.
I wonder if he lost the weight using slimfast.
by jdramirez on Oct 28, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's got a nice break from the DB
Like how he runs right at the DB and then quickly separate.
His size gives him an advantage also. If the DB tries to manhandle him, and misses
it’s off to the races.
by oldtimer on Oct 28, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love the Czabe
sick of Mike & Mike’s G rated humor. Hilarious that he’s a Skins fan, his sidekick is an Iggles fan, and of course they both hate our Boys! He’s like the Howard Stern of sports radio.
by selke99 on Oct 29, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love to Czabe too.
They replaced him for about 6 months with Mancow… worst 6 months of commuting to work I ever had.
by jdramirez on Oct 30, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad his name isn’t Steve. At least then we’d know how much to pay him.
I’m gonna use that. Just giving you fair warning. You will be noted at the appropriate time.
by Rafael Vela on Oct 28, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Ray Sherman rebuilt his career
Does that make him Oscar Goldman? Oooh, the possibiities.
by Rafael Vela on Oct 28, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
While we are spending the money,
can we rebuild Larry Allen and Erik Wiliams.
by jdramirez on Oct 28, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need to get the proper sound effects going
as he catches the ball and ditches the DB. Maybe some slo-mo action.
My son has been kind of lost since his #81 jersey became irrelevant. Last Sunday he asked for a #19 jersey. One more game like the last two, and he gets the jersey.
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"
by White Wolf on Oct 28, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my next jersey is going to be a knock off from China.
I won’t feel as bad spending money on a player who isn’t a Cowboy if I didn’t have to shell out so much $$$.
by jdramirez on Oct 28, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of this
Does anyone know of any reliable web sites where you can get decent jerseys? I don’t want the iron on numbers but I really don’t want to spent $100 on a jersey for each of my 4 sons and 4 grandsons.
by staubachfan on Oct 28, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miles and Roy e.
Miles is playing stellar at the moment. But, its true..he has yet drawn the pressure of being a #1 in the eyes of opposing defenses. The great ones still get good production when being schemed against…that verdict is still out until the league catches up. But right now..brilliant.
Roy … Roy really hasn’t been terrible. He just hasn’t lived up to expectations. This is evident in your stats.. but one thing that roy does bring is a great run block. If u watch some of the bigger runs that go 10+ yards many are to roy’s side and he is putting a great block on his guy. That being said..we still expect more from him and I have faith he’ll become a big redzone target..but..again verdict is still out
Wade Phillips has never won a playoff game as a head coach..he has lost 4 home playoff games.
His longest tenure as head coach was 3 years.
Only once did his record as a HC improve from one year to the next (by 1 game)
Wade Phillips for DC
by SDTrueblue on Oct 27, 2009 10:27 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Roy has been terrible
He has been here for a full year and done next to nothing. Good blocking doesn’t cut it.
by I_miss_Switzer on Oct 27, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I respectfully disagree...
On a team that has the likes of a MBIII, Choice, and Jones a WR that can block is priceless. I watched games where veteran WR cant even get in the way to help downfield block. You think it would be a skill easily taught but its like playing special teams you have to have the right attitude for it. I believe Hines Ward is a prime example of using his blocking skills in his Receiving game. Because he is such a fierce blocker DB’s never really know how to play him. They don’t want to be to close because if its a run he is going to blow them up but they can’t be to far either cause he will take off on a slant. He’s not the best route runner or pass catcher but his attitude towards blocking, although not solely the reason for his elite status but it does play a part, makes him valuable threat on every down.
Roy has a problem with separation well if he continues to block well downfield, all DB’s do it get caught looking in the backfield especially when they think run if Roy has been locking up a DB all game that DB is going to get tired of being blocked out of the play, an thats when Roy has shown the ability to break the jam an fade to the sidelines (we hope he catches the ball)
He just need to be productive that skill at blocking on a team like ours is a necessity.
Whether you think you can or you think you can't either way your right
by UnNessecsary Roughness on Oct 28, 2009 6:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, this offense is designed to spread the ball around, and if Roy is going to drop a ball or 3 in the game, his numbers are going to look horrible. He’s a better WR than he has shown, and hopefully he will start producing.
by jdramirez on Oct 28, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that measuring a WR on blocking is not good enough
However, RW has had a foot and rib injury (probably the two worst thing besides a broken hand that can happen to a WR). I’m willing to give him more time. I also think his numbers are going to come up. Opposing D’s have to worry about a running game, Witten, and now Austin. RW will get his just as some games we run great and sometimes we pass great. The funny thing will be that when it happens everyone will be asking if MA is just a flash in the pan because RW it getting all the catches.
by staubachfan on Oct 28, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do not forget:
Patrick Crayton has a 7.4 YPA to date. Crayton is the second most reliable target for Romo on third down: only Witten has converted more third down pass attempts into first downs.
I am not so sure that Roy Williams will be able to improve his statistics this season. In 2006, when Owens and Glenn were taking turns burning defenses, Witten ended up with the short straw. When Glenn was lost for the 2007 season, Jason picked-up the slack and posted career numbers: 96 receptions, 1,145 yards, and 7 touchdowns. All of those statistics are jason’s career highs for a season.
As Owens began to fade in 2008, Witten’s production stayed roughly the same if adjusted for Romo’s absence during three games. This season, Witten is close to the great numbers he has posted the last few years.
In other words, with Austin performing at his current level, I find it hard to believe that Romo will target Roy Williams rather than Jason Witten when coverage rolls to Miles Austin. I see Roy destined to match Patrick Crayton’s number from 2007 (50 receptions, 697 yards, and 7 touchdowns) at best.
Then again, Crayton is still on this team, and from what I see, his numbers are similar and superior in some ways to Roy Williams’ at this point. Perhaps achieving Patrick’s modest 2007 season numbers may be out of reach for Roy.
by ScarletO on Oct 27, 2009 10:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You're right
patrick crayton is a great WR. Better than Roy Williams certainly. I can’t wait for teams to line up with first, third and 7th round draft picks for Patrick “Hall of Fame” Crayton. He’s so good he doesn’t start.
by Joey2zs on Oct 28, 2009 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roy is Roy is Roy is Roy ...
Everyone wants to make him the next coming of Jerry Rice or even Terrell Owens, but he is not.
Williams does 2 things extraordinarily well:
1.) uses his body to get in between the ball and the defender
2.) uses his height and leaping ability to catch high passes
The best coaches in the NFL are the ones who understand what they have and utalize each player’s skills. I have seen so many times in the NFL were coaches play to the WR strengths. Like Plaxico and that throw to his back shoulder. Heck, Randy Moss has made a living out running the fly route and skinny post. Even Dallas in their hey-day had Alvin Harper.
- When teams tried to change Moss and Harper into route running WRs, they failed miserably. Look at Harper’s numbers with Tampa and Moss’s with Oakland .. not pretty!
In this case Roy is extremely skilled in fades to the corner of the endzone, getting good body position on slants, and great at making plays on “jump balls”. In fact when Dallas was driving against Denver there in the last minutes .. I was screaming at the TV “throw a fade to Roy!!” .. I think with practice Romo-Roy can also “steal” a page out the Giants play book and add that back shoulder throw.
In any case, Roy warrants 6+ throws a game .. under the right circumstances.
IMO Crayton, Austin, and Ogletree have a different skill set than Williams, but used all together properly Dallas can be extremely dangerous.
by spadesking131313 on Oct 27, 2009 10:44 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Another thing about Roy..
His blocking is pretty good too. I love it when WRs are blocking 10-15 yards down field.
by RomoHomo on Oct 28, 2009 6:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 +1 for both points above
I’m not a Roy homer… but use him for what he was made for. Like Parcells used to tell Meyshawn… “Son stop trying to run like your a gazelle your a giraffe” He was telling him he needed to use his size to his advantage and stop trying to do things he was not meant to do. Roy is a Giraffe throw that fade to the back pylon, give him those smoke routes that he can turn in to a 4yd gain just be stretching.
Use what he has an stop trying to make him into what he is not.
Whether you think you can or you think you can't either way your right
by UnNessecsary Roughness on Oct 28, 2009 6:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t remember Parcells saying that, but it’s funny. It’s also exactly what I would expect from Parcells.
by jdramirez on Oct 28, 2009 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Raf,
I’m not sure why the Williams deal gets offset by the Austin deal. If they don’t trade for #11, it seems like they are even more inclined to keep Miles. I don’t think they are necessarily connected such that the Williams trade should be evaluated with the benefit of the Austin signing.
by I_miss_Switzer on Oct 27, 2009 10:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What are your assets?
What are their values?
What did Parcells say? Draft position doesn’t matter once you take the field. Michael Irvin was the 11th overall pick. Alvin Harper was the 12th. They were good players but one was a Hall of Famer and the other was a complement to that HOFer.
Austin appears to have big time capability (knock on wood). He was the subject of a trade. Williams was the product of a trade. If in the end Austin is the number one and WIlliams the number two, what does it matter how they were obtained if Dallas has two WRs who work well together?
by Rafael Vela on Oct 27, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
#1 vs #2 is overrated ..
You are right.
Sometimes in sports a #1 (All-Star caliber) player is partnered up with another #1 (All-Star), but they have difficulty playing well together and struggle.
In Dallas’ case, they have two WRs with different skill sets .. and we can only hope that they can compliment each other and succeed.
by spadesking131313 on Oct 27, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roy Williams is due for a monster game
He’s capable of erupting for 200 yards
by AustonianAggie on Oct 28, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you
finally some love for the E.
Ich bin ein Berliner--JFK
by HudBaby on Oct 28, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Last week, mad people were down on Crayton. Things change greatly from week-to-week in this thing called the NFL.
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by Aaron Novinger on Oct 29, 2009 5:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You Cannot Coach UP SIZE AND SPEED AUSTIN HAS BOTH.........
I think the debate is out on hands being coachable but Austin has certainly been better than the normally strong hands of Roy Williams. I think if Austin continues to improve Roy will also……….he was a second before you know to a kid named Calvin Johnson……….
What I love is the RAC yards that Austin gets and it ain’t just speed the kid is strong and breaks tackles. He is big and reminds me of when we had 88 playing out there a bit.
I don’t think Roy Williams is just a possession reciever, but I think injuries have hurt him and Tonys timing. They just ain’t in sync………..I think they still can get it figured out. For all the critics of Roy Williams……….his QB laid him out and he took a heck of a helmet hit to the ribs………..and caused him to miss a game he can still get it going. I aint sure it was the best or worst trade………but I think it was insurance against a TO meltdown……….or downfall of his skills due to age. He hasnt exactly been stellar in Buffalo………
Every year the league has a some upstart or Rookie that makes a huge impact. Marques Colston a few years ago was 7th rounder I think. Oggletree definitely looks like the real deal also…………sometimes I think our let down in our play is our loyalty to our starters…………get more of the Hurds and Oggletrees out there on a few plays. Hurd has shown good hands and nothing improves play like competition.
by Jon B. on Oct 27, 2009 10:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the thing about Smiles Awesome's hands
is that they are waaaaaay better than T.O.s already.
Ich bin ein Berliner--JFK
by HudBaby on Oct 28, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The biggest difference between Austin and Owens?
Austin is a team player. Owens is not.
2009 Dallas Cowboys: 10-6
2009 New York Jets: 11-5?
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If someone could make for me and send to me a joint Cowboys/Jets avatar, I'd really appreciate it. :D
by Grady90 on Oct 27, 2009 10:53 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
yep
Winning takes talent, to repeat takes character. - John Wooden
by BishopWest on Oct 27, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that and
also TO is a 5 time first team All Pro, 6 time Pro Bowler, has 14,000 rec yards, 900+ receptions, 6th all time in receptions, 5th all time in receiving yards, 2nd all time in receiving TDs and 4th all time in scoring TDs.
But probably the biggest difference between Austin Miles and Terrell Owens is that Austin Miles is a “team player.”
I’d say there is no biggest difference between the two, because there are no similarities other than they are both men who play WR in the NFL and are also roughly the same height.
by Joey2zs on Oct 28, 2009 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
one is all mouth
and the other is all teeth
Winning takes talent, to repeat takes character. - John Wooden
by BishopWest on Oct 28, 2009 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree, I think he is all gums. I like his smile, it is endearing. And he’s a good looking guy who I’m sure has an easier time getting ladies than most of us, so I doubt his big smile is keeping his bed cold at night.
by jdramirez on Oct 28, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care what yall say...
I still like T.O.
Hey maybe every single hateful thing every one of you can conceive in your brains. But when the lights come on an you step on the field when T.O. was on his game you would be hard pressed to find another WR in the game to day that is better… (in the game today)
Yes he’s selfish, yes he is a polarizing force in a locker room, yes he runs his mouth to much, yes he jay walks, and slaps old ladies in wheel chairs (just seeing if you were paying attention) But you can NEVER deny his ability on the field when he was on his game. Period end of story… next topic please
Whether you think you can or you think you can't either way your right
by UnNessecsary Roughness on Oct 28, 2009 7:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like TO...
on somebody else’s team.
Ich bin ein Berliner--JFK
by HudBaby on Oct 28, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
*Mr Roughness
I, for one, will stand with you and say I still like T.O. but have lost a little respect for Jerry Jones and others. Jerry Jones and everyone else for that matter, knew exactly what they were getting when they signed T.O. I dare say that Jerry WANTED the media attention that Owens would bring because that’s Jerry’s M.O. The “others” that I speak of were just as happy when the team went 13-3 and Owens was crying about not blaming the Giant loss on Romo.
Then, in a blink of an eye, as soon as things got shaky in the win column for the Cowboys, out came the pitchforks and torches for Owens. The “others” became the haters. To this day, I have never seen Owens suspended by the NFL for any infraction, didn’t kill anyone drunk driving, doesn’t drink or smoke, no drugs, no strip clubs or loose women, and still he is villified here. For better or worse, Owens got canned for speaking his mind which is exactly what Jerry Jones knew he would do. If you want to get pissed at someone, get mad at Jerry because T.O. did what he does and everyone knew that from the start.
by jevans1729 on Oct 28, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
After TO got into his 30s, I'm sure they thought he'd mature away from that drama crap.
But he didn’t.
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by Aaron Novinger on Oct 29, 2009 5:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
T.O. is a locker room cancer and I never really liked him
I obviously had to root for him when he played for us, but I never liked it…dude is a total jerk.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 29, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Terry,
As a fan you have every right not to like any player that you choose to. However, I am sure that you may have some people at your job that you don’t want at the family barbecue. Despite that fact, you tolerate your dislike enough to effectively complete the tasks you are assigned.
I believe that Jerry knew that Owens would bring the media attention that he did and felt his team and coaching staff could handle it. Jerry is selling entertainment and he believe’s attention is good for the product he is selling. Remember, he renewed T.O’s contract in additon to the original signing. So I ask, how bad could the guy have been? It was only when the team didn’t finish as well as predicted, that all eyes turned to Owens. Suddenly he was a “locker room cancer.” Jerry’s statement that “Romo couldn’t grow as the leader with Owens around” sure seems like laying blame at the feet of Owens. He was the only offensive player let go and was a 9 million dollar cap hit. I firmly believe that if the Cowboys had won a playoff game Owens would still be a Cowboy.
by jevans1729 on Oct 29, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you just made my argument for me
As long as everything is great and the team is winning, T.O. is harmless and in submission, however, the moment the team has some adversity and not winning, he rears his ugly head in the media with his selfish antics and tears locker rooms apart, he did it every where he played. It’s like the Jurassic Park analogy I made a while back, in the beginning its all, “oohs and awes”, but in the end it’s all yelling and screaming.
There is a reason he’s never been part of a championship winning team…he’s the problem.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 30, 2009 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TO is a narcissisit
As his skills eroded, he lack of cupability became more apparent. The offense had to force his production with all of those semi-productive end rounds.
I think it was more of an issue that when we did force feed the ball to him, he wasn’t productive with the ball, especially to include the drops. TO wasn’t that bad of a teammate, but as a player that the defense game planned for, and especially our offense having to gameplan in 5 to 6 unproductive plays to keep his ego in check, that is where the problems really lied.
by jdramirez on Oct 30, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For all the chemistry talk -
and I do think it was probably a factor – the real issue was that Owens had lost enough of his ability to let Williams and Austin step in. The better teams do that and that’s what pleased me about the move.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Oct 30, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His skills had eroded to the point where the juice was not worth the squeeze
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Oct 30, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
T.O. is a has been and Miles is a rising star
there is your biggest difference.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 28, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miles has better hands
Ich bin ein Berliner--JFK
by HudBaby on Oct 28, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the biggest similarity
They both seem to have a different gear and determination to get to the end zone everytime they catch the ball.
by staubachfan on Oct 28, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What would be cooler than the other side of the pillow
Is to have a 2nd 3 headed monster in the WR corps. Shagalicious!
by Benthere on Oct 27, 2009 10:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ogletree makes the 2nd hydra complete
OK, wishful thinking. I just would love to see what he can do. If Miles can do it, so can he. Right? (too bad real life isn’t that easy)
Ich bin ein Berliner--JFK
by HudBaby on Oct 28, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So much depends on a red wheelbarrow . . .
and a solid offensive line. Romo is playing better not only because Austin is breaking on through to the “other side” and showing that he’s made the turn, (catching almost everything thrown in his vicinity or keeping the defender from getting an interception, running the correct routes) but also because he’s getting solid protection up front. There were a few breakdowns on the OL resulting in a sack or two, and even on the amazing TD before the end of the 1st half. For all those succesful throws to Austin, the line was giving Romo a great pocket from which to throw — yes, he can throw well from the pocket. A lot of that mojo comes from great protection. Look at how good Ryan looked on that first Atlanta drive when he had good protection, and contrast that with how he looked when the Cowboys D was pressuring him the rest of the game. I think the mojo comes from both having Austin get open and be elusive after the catch ( being a playmaker, if you will) AND the offensive line doing a great job allowing Romo time to throw.
by Teacher on Oct 27, 2009 11:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
I concur
Whether you think you can or you think you can't either way your right
by UnNessecsary Roughness on Oct 28, 2009 7:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
William Carlos Williams
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
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by Aaron Novinger on Oct 28, 2009 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has a poem about crap and breakfast for birds...
that’s my favorite.
by jdramirez on Oct 28, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
Next years draft better include at least 2 OL in the first 5 rounds.
by staubachfan on Oct 28, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Austin has really worked on his hands
Early in his career, he was not dependable catching the rock. He and Romo just need to stay on the same page with these timing routes. That 22 yard TD pass was thrown before Austin broke his route.
by RomoHomo on Oct 28, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus having a football
if he didn’t have a football there’s no way in hell he makes those throws.
Summarizing the Dallas Cowboys in two words; inconsistently amazing.
by sublimezg on Oct 28, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't really know that
You’re just saying that because if there’s no ball, none of us will be able to prove whether it was a good throw, a pick, a drop of a miraculous catch. While that makes for perfect Blog Debate Fodder, it’s perfectly un-provable. Like that whole ‘if a bear poops in the woods and no one is there does it still stink?’ deal.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Oct 29, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If football was played in heaven. . .
this top photograph would be the picture. No, I’m not talking about the win. I’m talking about the lighting, so complained about.
I know, random. Just looks like football in heaven to me.
by dfan77 on Oct 28, 2009 4:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Love the optimism, but
Just because the FO made a wise decision on keeping Austin, it doesn’t pardon the ridiculous trade for Roy.
It was a stupid trade, plain and simple.
by JBell523 on Oct 28, 2009 6:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well...
I’m sure the Bears said the same thing about Cedric Benson…
Whether you think you can or you think you can't either way your right
by UnNessecsary Roughness on Oct 28, 2009 7:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they can use the "time machine".
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
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by Aaron Novinger on Oct 28, 2009 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you for what it is worth.
He was going to be a free agent at the end of the year, and we could have gotten him for no picks and still kept our 1st and 3rd. I can’t stand that people bring up the 6th rounder. We got a 7th rounder back. That’s a push, and considering we had too many picks to begin with, I have no issue with him giving up the 3rd.
by jdramirez on Oct 28, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In that scenario
You are right we keep the draft pics but we would have paid more then we did for him. Also, at the time we had TO. Many people say we brought him in to replace TO, I think he was brought in to compliment TO (they are very different WRs). Without the TO type receiver RW isn’t as productive. Add to that his injuries and you have a bunch of bloggers complaining about him. I hope and think that with MA now on the other side and when RW gets healthy we have a very productive RW.
by staubachfan on Oct 28, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as he catches the ball when it hits his hands.
I’m a little ticked with Williams right now. He is too talented to let the ball hit the ground and it has happened several times this year. He needs to man up and make the catch.
by jdramirez on Oct 28, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When he drops passes I always yell "do you're job", #$%*#!
But losing the draft picks don’t bother me. JJ weighed his options with those in the draft and decided a young vet at the position was a better risk than some rook.
Sure, we can all look behind us and say hey, why did they do this, why did they do that? If RW turns the corner and becomes that possession WR, he would be a great complement to Austin.
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
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by Aaron Novinger on Oct 28, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Losing Felix last year
probably forced JJ to make that deal. But the way Jerry deals on draft day, I think the 3rd round pick is not a biggie to give up.
by RomoHomo on Oct 28, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Making the catch is why RW has cracked ribs
The play that caused RW the cracked ribs was a high pass over the middle that he had to reach for an exposed his rib cage to a really hard hit, He held onto the ball but paid the price, Against the Falcons, he looked hurt to me. Some of the passes he dropped looked like he was trying to extend and the pain broke his concentration. He tried to gut it out and play with pain and now he gets ripped. I want to see more from RW but I don’t think its time to give up on him or to rip him. Let’s see what happens. Romo didn’t trust Austin either after a couple of drops and it was only the extended opportunity to play against KC that gave him the chance to win Romo’s trust. I’m still optimistic that RW can do the same once healthy, especially since Austin will take some of the defensive attention off him.
by swj010 on Oct 28, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I rewatched the Falcons game last night...
I don’t want to say you are wrong, but some of the passes were perfect. I used to yell at my TV when TO dropped a pass, Roy gets the exact same treatment.
by jdramirez on Oct 28, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay, but at what point do you let it go?
Cause I agree, Dallas overpaid for him.
But let’s say Williams settles down and had a solid career with Dallas. Not great, but solid. He catches balls, he blocks. He contributes.
Are we still going to preface every reference to him with, “he’s a wasted player, cost too much, yada, yada, yada.” Cause that creates impossible terms. Good will never be good enough, even if that good is helping the team win.
That’s my point. Marcus Spears is helping this team win this year. He’s playing the best ball of his career. I like that he’s added rush to his run stopping game. And I’m glad that at least for now, people don’t reflexively rip him when his name comes up because he was the 18th overall pick and didn’t become Bruce Smith II.
That’s my point.
by Rafael Vela on Oct 28, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and I'll add one point
Williams didn’t set the terms for himself. He didn’t send those picks to Detroit. So ripping HIM and turning him into a pariah is misguided, IMO.
by Rafael Vela on Oct 28, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad to see Spears contributing.
Versus not seeing him contribute, but having a tangible effect freeing up the linebackers.
by jdramirez on Oct 28, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of Spears
I hope we re-sign him.
He plays hard and could be a NT in a pinch.
Ich bin ein Berliner--JFK
by HudBaby on Oct 28, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+96
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
http://twitter.com/BloggingTheBoys
by Aaron Novinger on Oct 29, 2009 5:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It IS Spears' contract year
I hope if we resign him that he doesn’t get complacent. But this year, he is playing well.
by Joon on Oct 28, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He probably wont be resigned...
Because we are heading into a uncapped year they could put the transistion tag on him I believe. No way they put the franchise tag on him because that would be Julius Peppers type money which is somewheres around 18 mil…..thats just crazy giving him that…If I had to guess he is gone…
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
by Boyzfan94 on Oct 28, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Dallas signs him for Ty Warren type money
by AustonianAggie on Oct 28, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not me...
I’d rather see Seymour here. He’s looking GREAT in Oakland this year and he’s not resigning with them.
He’ll have a serious chip on his shoulder to play somewhere else; on a contender that runs a 3/4.
Imagine how hard it will be for offenses to deal with Seymour and Ware lined up on the same side?
The 2009 Dallas Cowboys: Talk to me in December.
The NFC East has won 11 Super Bowls; oddly none of those have come courtesy of the Eagles.
by gee-roj on Oct 29, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's true, but don't you think...
Oakland will franchise him? They gave up a first round draft pick, and to rent him for only one season would be so incredibly stupid and backwards. I know Oakland isn’t a stranger to stupid and backwards, and they will look to save face and get something, anything in return. I don’t see them just letting him go.
by jdramirez on Oct 29, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hadn't thought of that...
but I still wounldn’t be surprised to see the Raiders do something that stupid.
The 2009 Dallas Cowboys: Talk to me in December.
The NFC East has won 11 Super Bowls; oddly none of those have come courtesy of the Eagles.
by gee-roj on Oct 29, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was surprised Canty got big money.
But the column I read by Peter King seemed to suggest that the Giants were the only team in the market for his services. They literally bid against themselves.
by jdramirez on Oct 28, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great debate fodder, Raf
Some of the things that have led to Miles being this effective have been noted – like his strength in breaking tackles, being on the same sheet as the QB, etc. The other thing I’ve thought is what makes him more versatile than other tall, strong WRs is his speed. His come-back and stop routes have been effective because DBs have to respect him as a deep threat. If they try to jump the stop route, Dallas can burn them with double moves and the stop-and-go. As we saw with Owens in his early seasons in Dallas, speed has a quality all its own.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Oct 28, 2009 7:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Speed, speed, speed.
And moves? What I noticed about Miles in the TB game was that he has this little stutter-step breakdown that causes defenders to pause. Quick feet. Can stop on a frickin’ lazer.
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by Aaron Novinger on Oct 28, 2009 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Concur. Austin’s acceleration from a dead stop is equally impressive as his ability to go from sprinting to a dead stop. This causes all kinds of problems for defenders. He has a skill set that adds a dimension to his game which will draw attention from the other receivers. Mix in stop and go routes with curl routes all day for this guy and look at the attention he would garner.
Austin’s ability to cut and accelerate is just plain sick. Very , very impressed with this part of his game. Put Austin on a slant route and he WILL be open. He was open twice in the Denver game at the end. I know, that’s old news and I’m not trying to pick a scab, just pointing out that he can get seperation quickly.
by T Zig on Oct 28, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rafael: Are you serious
“You can’t judge trades strictly on draft points. You have to evaluate value to the position and to the team. Right now, I think that the value Dallas preserved by keeping Miles Austin outweighs any value the team lost obtaining Roy Williams”
Rafael. I think you have lost your mind.
There was no value preserved in keeping Miles. He’s an undrafted free agent who has been at the bottom of the roster for years. He was basically the last man on the roster.
So your telling me that keeping Mile’s on the bottom of the roster for years offset’s trading 3 draft picks and overpaying for Roy.
I will state again that if we would have drafted a WR in the 2008 draft Roy Williams would have never been on this team. So if we would have drafted a WR say Manningham in the third round we would still have our 1st,3rd, and 6th from the 2009 draft and the cap space.
How about drafting Deshaun Jackson instead of Felix “Mr 10 carry a game” Jones.
Would you rather have Manningham and Miles or Deshaun Jackson and Miles.
Heck. The Cowboys could have had Manningham Jackson, Miles and Crayton.
No Roy and our 2009 picks. Let me also add we could have just signed Roy since he was going to be a free agent anyway.
Since they knew T.O was coming to the end rounding up a bunch of WR which the teams in the East did in 2008 would have been a good move.
So Miles offsets all that.
Miles has done great but our entire season has been placed on the hopes of a Free agent WR who doesn’t have a great track record of staying healthy.
That’s not the position I want to be in but here we are.
I’m still holding out to see if he’s truly a #1. Teams will start to prepare for him now and try to take him away. When the gameplan is to stop Miles and he still performs then he is a true #1 WR. That has not been the case yet.
We played the Chiefs who are terrible and the Falcons who were missing a starting CB.
Slow down homer…
Two games and you have Mile’s value at a Multi-Year First team All-Pro level.
What do you think Miles trade value is right now.
In your view he’s worth a 1st, 3rd, 6th and a ton of cap space that Roy is sucking up in two games without seeing one team go into a game saying shut Miles Austin down. .
Have you lost your mind.
by Sharksbreath on Oct 28, 2009 8:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Raf is absolutely correct
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 28, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Manningham was dinged for pot
The Cowboys don’t draft guys with drug problems. They learned the hard way after taking guys like Larrimore, Ross, etc.
I have no problems with having Felix Jones on this team. You apparently do.
The trade is made. The money is paid. I’m making the best of it. And I do think he’ll be a good but not great player.
by Rafael Vela on Oct 28, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget about Quincy.
He made some poor choices too. We all have our varying opinions regarding drug use, but I can guarantee you the NFL and their testing arm have absolute opinions regarding drug use.
by jdramirez on Oct 28, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry told the press last year at Oxnard
when asked about 2nd chances and Tank Johnson and Pacman Jones that they consider each case individually but they don’t consider drugs. I’m guessing they’ve found first hand the recidivism rate is too high. And yes, Carter is probably the biggest, and costliest example.
by Rafael Vela on Oct 28, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still love Quincy.
He was the ultimate underdog in my opinion. He was placed into a position he really wasn’t qualified for, and expectations were unrealistic because of his draft position, and he did well all things considered.
Having said that, I think if Quincy wasn’t cut from the team, there was a chance that Romo wouldn’t have made the team considering Testeverde and Henson were taking up valuable roster spots.
Sure we would have tried to put Romo on the practice squad, but I don’t see that ending up well and we would all be saying what if as he throws TD’s for some other team.
by jdramirez on Oct 28, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No,
I talked to somebody on the team who told me Romo was doing special things in practice from day one. He was wild, and they knew it would take some work to rein him in, but I don’t think he was at great risk of being cut. Henson was Jerry’s guy. Romo was Bill’s.
by Rafael Vela on Oct 28, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But where are you going to put Romo if Quincy stays?
Starting QB: Quincy
Backup: Testeverde
3rd QB: Henson
4th QB: Romo
There is no way that Bill could have convinced Jerry to cut Henson after he spent a 3rd rounder (if I’m remembering correctly) on him. The team just had a playoff appearance, and there was no way Bill would have put himself in a lurch if Quincy got hurt and there was only rookies backing him up, so Testeverde wasn’t going anywhere.
And as an alternative, keeping 4 QB’s on the roster. Parcells isn’t Gruden, and Parcells coveted each of those spots for productive players.
The odd man out is Romo, and I could see him being stolen by Denver or several other teams.
by jdramirez on Oct 28, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't Testaverde picked up AFTER Quincy was cut?
If that’s the case, then it would have been Quincy, Henson and Romo…
Btw at what point in the 2004 off season did the team get rid of Chad Hutchinson?
by DavidH22 on Oct 28, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope.
Testeverde was signed in the middle of the off-season. Trust me, I remember that day like it was yesterday. I was so crestfallen. The day Quincy was cut was tantamount to 9/11 for me. You remember where you were when you heard the news. The smell in the air, and even now as I talk about it… my heart hurts a little.
by jdramirez on Oct 28, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quincy Carter never had more TDs than INTs
He was cut day one but he could of been cut Day 32
by AustonianAggie on Oct 28, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And your point.
I wholly acknowledge that Quincy was not a good QB. I was just emotionally invested in his underdog story.
by jdramirez on Oct 28, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah he did some cool stuff
like play in the cubs organization, but I was pretty comfortable though suprised when the Cowboys cut him
by AustonianAggie on Oct 28, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also had a soft sport for Q
he was on a HORRIBLE team, yet he was 16-15 as a Cowboy starter. Including some fantastic clutch wins. Plus he like to run for positive yards and take chances downfield, two attributes I like in a QB.
by DavidH22 on Oct 28, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
for a mobile QB
he was awful throwing on the run… it was a garunteed INT every time
by AustonianAggie on Oct 28, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He did have a nice deep ball, and that win over the Rams was unbelievable.
by jdramirez on Oct 28, 2009 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeez, over-exaggerate much
I remember that day like it was yesterday. I was so crestfallen. The day Quincy was cut was tantamount to 9/11 for me. You remember where you were when you heard the news. The smell in the air, and even now as I talk about it… my heart hurts a little.
QC was at most a serviceable backup, but he screwed up big time. Wasted draft pick, wasted QB development, waste period.
Are you ready for some football???
by APerfectStar on Oct 29, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That pick was so bad...
Jerry could have drafted him in the 5th or 6th round if he thought he had to have him imo, but he had to make a splash. He did and it cost him a 2nd round pick and a lot more money than it needed to. You can only hope he learned from it.
Tom Landry=the greatest football mind ever.
by DIRE WOLF on Oct 29, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope....
I read/heard that the Raiders were looking at him with their next pick. I’m not sure whether that was in the 2nd or 3rd round, but he wouldn’t have fallen all the way to the 5th or 6th.
Keep in mind, that this was right as McNabb and Culpepper were blowing up in the league. It is a copycat league, and we thought, among others, you can make a mobile QB into a real threat. Heck, Vick went first overall that year, so people were definitely thinking about McNabb 2.0.
by jdramirez on Oct 30, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Raiders were looking at him?
Isn’t that one of nature’s warning signs?
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Oct 30, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Raiders were still Super Bowl contenders...
but yes, that is definitely a warning sign. Last year when they picked up the safety in the 2nd round and they were wildly panned for the pick, it should be known that the Bears were going to take him with their next pick, be it int he 2nd or 3rd round. So the Raiders got more crap than they deserved.
I have stopped caring what prognosticators say about the draft. Bring good players into the fold, and where they are drafted I don’t care.
Heck, it could be said that our two best offensive players are undrafted free agents right now. And arguably the best QB in NFL history was a 6th round pick.
Also, freaking Kiper said that we should take Mamula instead of Aikman. That’s not the clip they show on ESPN.
by jdramirez on Oct 30, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I was seriously upset.
I wholly acknowledge that he was not the second coming of Elway, but I was emotionally invested in his performance. Trust me, the wife knows how bad of a day that was for me.
I may be prone to hyperbole periodically, but I am 100% about my characterization.
by jdramirez on Oct 30, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d rather have Felix Jones on the team than a possibility of another WR. How do you know Jones would have taken Manningham or Jackson. We might be stuck with Avery, and you never know if Jackson comes in and injures himself (torn Achilles, ACL, etc.) in training camp and then is a bust. You presume too much. Jackson may also be a product of the Philly system and wouldn’t play well in our non-West Coast system.
by jdramirez on Oct 28, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's all hindsight
Jones and Jenkins were in Dallas’ top 15 on their draft board. And they were not alone. Jeff Fisher said they wanted Felix Jones right behind Dallas.
Martellus Bennett had a top 25 grade.
They have no regrets about the guys they took.
by Rafael Vela on Oct 28, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Texans wanted Jones too.
They were ticked when we picked him.
by jdramirez on Oct 28, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was really, really hoping we would take D. Jackson
Make one faulty move and he blows your doors completely off. The guy is a serious weapon.
Summarizing the Dallas Cowboys in two words; inconsistently amazing.
by sublimezg on Oct 28, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have mixed emotions about Jackson.
He seems like a knucklehead who makes poor football decisions like the fumble before the goalline. Since he is an Eagle, I’m sure there is a obligatory animosity that has a prism effect on my opinion.
I’m going to say that having Jones and Jenkins is better than having Jackson. Having said that, when the Cowboys were on the clock, I was hoping they would take Mendenhal. He seems to be coming around, but it looks like Jerry was right about him not playing well in a 2 back system. I can only imagine his frustration in our 3 back system.
by jdramirez on Oct 28, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Jackson is an idiot, I’m so glad he’s not a Cowboy.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 28, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your so full of it Terry...your boy Romo and him would probably be the best tandum in the East
and maybe the NFL if he was on this team you would be eating it up…..Jackson hasn’t done anything to be put in the TO mold. Dont you think the Eagles did there homework on this kid before they drafted him?
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
by Boyzfan94 on Oct 28, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not full of it
I don’t like Jackson and I wouldn’t like him as a Cowboy. The best tandum in the East is Romo and Austin, much rather have that great young kid than that clown and he’s even a better receiver to boat.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 28, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love Austin too...went to the same college so you know how I feel about him...
you can deny the talent Jackson has…and two weeks ago its a no brainer…..Jackson on this team over Austin is a freaking landslide….the kid is all that and has showed it already..
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
by Boyzfan94 on Oct 28, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said Jackson wasn't talented
I said he’s an arrogant clown and I’d much rather have Austin who is a great kid as you should know.
I think any GM would rather have an explosive 6-3 217 lbs receiver with great strength and great attitude over some explosive 175 lbs kid who is more than likely actually 165 lbs soaking wet on a wet day who is a clown.
You think Jackson breaks the tackles Austin does? That’s right, you know better.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 28, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jackson is very elusive, good chance the CB never gets his hands on him
There is a reason he was rated as high as he was…Hey, I hope Austin turns out to be that type of player, but let’s not put Austin in the HOF after two games…lets see how he does the rest of the season before we annoint him as Parcells says..lol
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
by Boyzfan94 on Oct 28, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not annointing him
I just think he’s better than string bean Jackson who can be tackled by a strong wind.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 29, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is a bold statement after two games
I expect nothing less from you
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Oct 28, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jackson is only in his 2nd year
It’s not he has been to multiple pro bowls.
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by Terry on Oct 28, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
true, but he was plugged in as a starter as a rookie and has performed very well
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
by Boyzfan94 on Oct 28, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In Philly thats not saying much
since their receiving corp was complete garbage before he was drafted.
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by Terry on Oct 29, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't give the Eagles too much credit.
REcently they have drafted poorly. Sure they have a gem here and there, but it hasn’t been overly impressive. I should revise that… they haven’t drafted pure gold like the early part of Reid’s regime.
by jdramirez on Oct 28, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+100 Sub....He would be explosive on this team...
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
by Boyzfan94 on Oct 28, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many undrafted WRs do we have again?
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
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by Aaron Novinger on Oct 28, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Enough that you have to credit the coaching staff.
1. Miles Ausin
2. Sam Hurd
3. Kevin Ogletree
1. Patrick Crayton was a 7th round pick… maybe 6th… but I think 7th.
And on the practice squad we have Mr. 4th and Long. The moral of that story should be, look like Fitzgerald, get paid like Ogletree. Maybe that doesn’t make sense… but I’m going with it.
by jdramirez on Oct 28, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Desean Jackson or Felix...thats a tought one....
I love them both, but from a production stand point alone I wouldve went with Desean Jackson. That player is one of the most explosive players in the league at his positon. We would get more production of the Jackson than Jones if he was on this team. Some would say we needed that player more than a RB and I agree.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
by Boyzfan94 on Oct 28, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
production, probably Desean. But after the TO attitude issues, you wanna bring in a guy who has attitude issues as well. No thanks. Give me Felix.
by what_the_crap on Oct 28, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not sure what you are talking about...Jackson is not a problem and hasn't been with the Eagles...
We need to draft that type of player next year….If we have that type of weapon to pair with RW, Austin on the outside and Felix in the backfield this offense would be sick…
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
by Boyzfan94 on Oct 28, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That type of player doesn't always work in the NFL.
Who was the Bengals WR pick that was supposed to be a handful of explosives? I googled it. How did Peter Warrick do? Heck, look at Reggie Bush who is all speed and agility. How is he doing. Yall are so myopic. Just because the player has turned out to be good, doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t appreciate what Jones brings to the table. He too has to be schemed against, he is extremely quick and can run up the middle. Also, look back to the year Jones was drafted. We had basically no one behind Barber. With his running style, do you really think it would have been a good ideal to not have someone capable behind him?
Maybe yall should just complain about how we should have drafted Tom Brady with a 5th round pick and how the fortunes of the Cowboys would be drastically different if we did so.
by jdramirez on Oct 28, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
+1000000
I cannot believe I’m reading complaints on here about the Cowboys drafting Felix. The guy’s best days are still ahead of him and one day he will surpass MB3 as the starter.
The 2009 Dallas Cowboys: Talk to me in December.
The NFC East has won 11 Super Bowls; oddly none of those have come courtesy of the Eagles.
by gee-roj on Oct 28, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you on this one.
He is easily the most explosive player on the team, and they want to trade him for a WR which is a dependant position (dependant upon coverage, QB accuracy, the o-line giving the QB time).
by jdramirez on Oct 28, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
would love to see that but he can't stay healthy as a part time RB....
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
by Boyzfan94 on Oct 28, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm
rec’d this one ….. good lord, the complaining here is starting to become comical. Now Felix isn’t a good draft pick. Wow.
by what_the_crap on Oct 28, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell no.....no one is complaining of the Jones draft pick...I loved it...
I think what people are saying, including myself, is that we wouldve had more production out of Jackson than Felix. If you look at the two now, Jackson is easily the more productive and less injury prone than Felix. Felix is not a starter, Jackson is. At the time we needed a WR more than RB. We still need to add a WR in the draft next year because Hurd, Crayton are short timers on this team…
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
by Boyzfan94 on Oct 28, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the time...
We just had the most productive offense in team history. Crayton was a solid #2, there was some potential with Hurd and Austin), we weren’t great at WR, but only having Barber v. the WR corp… I have to disagree that we needed a WR more.
by jdramirez on Oct 28, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TO was out the door and everyone knew it....
Crayton was a #3 playing the #2 and they knew it……There was alot of questions marks at the WR more so than RB…..
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
by Boyzfan94 on Oct 28, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
After the 2007 season everyone knew TO was done?
Are you kidding me? We needed a second back to help Barber way more than WR at the time. Felix had never been injured before entering the NFL so your injury-prone argument “at the time” doesn’t work. I will say, though, that I wouldn’t mind us drafting a WR this year.
by Joon on Oct 28, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would
Ogletree is our next UFA great in the making.
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by HudBaby on Oct 28, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree....
If we dont make a move on a WR in the draft or FA I would like to see Ogletree as the 3rd WR on this team next year..
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
by Boyzfan94 on Oct 28, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
saying the writing was on the wall that we needed another WR in a year or so....
TO was a short timer given his age and contract….
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
by Boyzfan94 on Oct 28, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't sure TO would ever get old.
I figured he would keep playing into his 50’s. I was not right.
by jdramirez on Oct 28, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong again
Dallas had MB3 and ???
Not even close on which position was more important deciding between RB and WR.
Are you ready for some football???
by APerfectStar on Oct 29, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
less injury prone?
didn’t he have to get xrays after his TD run last game?
by what_the_crap on Oct 28, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ted Ginn....
Apparently, Ted Ginn maybe had for a trade in the off season. He would be the perfect slot WR on this offense. Maybe we could ship Parcells boy Crayton to Miami along with a draft pick to acquire him. He would bring the same thing to the offense and return game as Jackson.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
by Boyzfan94 on Oct 28, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would trade Ginn
for Carpenter and a 4th round pick, no questions asked.
by DavidH22 on Oct 28, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't Ginn have the most drops in the NFL...
well, him and TO. I belive they are tied per PTI.
by jdramirez on Oct 28, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, Ginn is horrible
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 29, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sore ankle thats all....
Felix has missed a ton more time than Jackson and Jackson is alot small, 5’10 175 and returns punts….love felix, but he is injury prone over the last two seasons
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
by Boyzfan94 on Oct 28, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats what was said about Mike Irvin...
when he hurt his knee in his rookie year and missed most of it. He was dinged up his second year and didn’t play all that well. A lot of people said he was a bust, but jimmy knew how good he was and the rest is history.
Tom Landry=the greatest football mind ever.
by DIRE WOLF on Oct 28, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm about 40/20...
I still think Ryan Leaf was a good prospect.
by jdramirez on Oct 28, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not for me, I'd take Felix over Jackson in a heartbeat
Felix is a class act while Jackson is a clown
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 28, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's funny is
That Jones has been explosive the last few games he has played in. To call him injury prone already is ridiculous, and I’m not sure Jackson has done much to receive this kind of sentiment.
by jdramirez on Oct 28, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jones has spent more time off the field than on it, that is why he is being called injury prone
As for Jackson, any time a guy on an opposing team gives Dallas fits, especially twice a year, I’d rather have him inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in.
Standard objections about Jackson being a knucklehead, etc
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Oct 28, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the character on this team is good right now
Why would you want to screw that up?
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 28, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
See above Re: Standard Objections
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Oct 28, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Says who? you Terry?
Dont you think the Eagles, after the TO experiment would want a distraction on this team? Especially a WR..C’mon….He has been NO problem in Philly, never has in 2 seasons…where are you getting your information from…You must be going by the BS stories that were coming out from Cal prior to him being drafted. His problem in college was his family was getting involved in his business too much…You can say he had a bit of an attitude problem in college, but that’s more to do with him being young and dumb…he has been a model player in Philadelphia since being drafted…..Jackson and TO shouldn’t even be mentioned in the same breath..not even close..
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
by Boyzfan94 on Oct 28, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jackson is an arrogant punk
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 29, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
He’s a jackass. But he’s a really good jackass.
Are you ready for some football???
by APerfectStar on Oct 29, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That clown is probably the best WR in the NFC East....and will be for a long time
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
by Boyzfan94 on Oct 28, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Felix
will be the most dynamic player overall in the NFC East
by what_the_crap on Oct 28, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he can stay healthy he will be up there, but Jackson is the most explosive player in the NFC East right now
If you saw that eagle game you know what i mean…Felix’s problem is he can’t stay on the field…
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
by Boyzfan94 on Oct 28, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he came back quicker than expected
from his PCL sprain. I don’t think he was at 100% this last game. Look for him to light it up against the Iggles.
Ich bin ein Berliner--JFK
by HudBaby on Oct 28, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which Eagle game.
They play 16 per year, and usually 1 or 2 more in the playoffs. That game doesn’t provide much detail. And if you are talking about the Skins, then keep in mind, it was the Skins. They only seem to play tough division games against the Cowboys when they suck.
by jdramirez on Oct 28, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
negative
The best WR in the East is Austin and will be for a long time.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 28, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope....Ausin has only done it for two weeks..He has to do it alot long than that....
again, love the kid, but he isn’t going to get 150+ yards every week
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
by Boyzfan94 on Oct 28, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jackson is in his second season
give me a break, you know Austin has the ability to be much better than Jackson, and he’s proving it now each Sunday.
I got news for you BTW, Rice didn’t get 150+ yards every week either.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 28, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's
easy now to say, “we should have gotten Jackson over Felix” …. right now, I could see, and possibly even agree …
but the pick was the right one at the time. Why? Cause when they made the pick, they had no one else other than Barber at RB. If the Cobwoys knew they were getting a quality RB the 4th round that year (Choice), I’m sure they probably would have taken a WR, or another position.
It’s easy to second guess the pick right now, only cause they hit a home run with Choice. But Felix Jones wasn’t the wrong choice at #22.
by what_the_crap on Oct 28, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 weeks versus 1.25 years...
Both are still in their infancy in regards to their career. I’m dismayed that there is so much love for an Eagles’s WR. Where’s the blind hatred? I’m in the middle of freaking PA, and you won’t hear one person give Ware the credit he deserves.
by jdramirez on Oct 28, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you want to go by production...Steve Smith (NY) and Jackson are the top 2 WR in the division right now...
Stop drinking the homer cool-aid Terry….lol
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
by Boyzfan94 on Oct 28, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I second that, lets wait few more weeks before
we anoint Austin as the best WR in the east. I truly expect his # to come down to earth a bit as soon as opposing DC start scheming for him. I’ll be happy if he puts close to 100 every week. That would be awesome.
by dcfanz on Oct 28, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 Weeks is too early to anoint someone…
But so is 1.25 years.
Jackson hasn’t really done anything yet either; certainly not enough to be talked about as if he is a hall of fame player already. Felix could stay injury free the rest of the year and Jackson could tear his ACL next weekend. Then who will have been more productive at the 2 year mark?
My point is that it is still way too early to evaluate the 2008 draft. Let’s wait until these guys have been in the league for at least 3 seasons.
I can say that Jackson has not ever at any point in his very short career put together back to back games like the ones Austin just produced. What does this mean? Absolutely nothing since it way too early to tell where these guys’ careers will end up.
The 2009 Dallas Cowboys: Talk to me in December.
The NFC East has won 11 Super Bowls; oddly none of those have come courtesy of the Eagles.
by gee-roj on Oct 29, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wrong as usual Boyz
Austin has more yards than Jackson and only 92 less than Smith and his yards per catch is 23.9, higher than both Jackson (20.1) and Smith (13.2) and Austin has more TDs than both of them with 5, Jackson only has 3 and Smith has 4.
Austin has been this productive only starting in 2 games.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 28, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice try but your the one.... Terry its only 2 games dude.....your argument is weak
Offcouse his YPC is going to be higher when the numbers are mainly over two games..are you serious with that…lol…Steve Smith (NY) was the leading WR in the league before last week…I should know because I have Smith and Jackson on my Fantasy Team…
BTW…..Jackson has a 21.8 YPC for 414 yds and 5 TDs over 5 games… Austin 23.0 YPC for 460 yards mainly over the last two weeks…Really Terry….You really going to make a comparision of the two over two games..c’mon man…you want to pull the numbers for Austin the previous 3 games…19, 0, 20 yds…..hold the phone on Austin already…I want the kid to be the best WR in the league but relax already..it’s only two games…
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
by Boyzfan94 on Oct 28, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
those stats include all 6 games Austin played in
just as many as Smith and Jackson, so yes, I’m serious.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 29, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you are serious
why did you say Jackson has three TDs?
That is plain wrong.
by I_miss_Switzer on Oct 30, 2009 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, accoring to NFL.com he has 3 receiving TDs
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by Terry on Oct 30, 2009 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why do rushing TDs not count
they are just as productive. The discussion was about production, and you knowingly misrepresented the facts to suit your argument. Special teams production may be considered to be different, but yards and points from scrimmage constitute production for the purposes of this discussion.
If you are going to call people “wrong as usual” you should be right, and you should apologize when you are in fact in the wrong.
by I_miss_Switzer on Oct 30, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
because the issue was who was a better receiver
It’s not Austin’s fault that the Cowboys don’t call any end arounds for him. If they did, I’m sure he would be just as productive if not more so than Jackson.
Have to judge a receiver as a receiver, so therefore I’m not in the wrong.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 30, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boyz defined the issue as production - no restrictions
then you twisted the stats.
You honestly think Austin would be as good on end arounds as Jackson? That is based on the zero that he has run?
Making it up as you go along, again.
You judge a football player as a football player – do you not consider receptions by running backs? I’ll bet you do when it suits your argument.
by I_miss_Switzer on Oct 30, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can thank Scandrick for that.
I’m guessing the next time we play, he will play competantly.
by jdramirez on Oct 28, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This may be redundant, but I'm late to the party.
I think if Dallas did get the Jet’s 2nd rounder, they would have seriously tried to trade up into the first round to get Maclin. Whether they would have been able to make that trade to get in front of the Eagles would be a question, but my considerations will be based on how Maclin, Austin, and Williams (LB) play in the future.
by jdramirez on Oct 28, 2009 8:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
T.O. has made quarterbacks look great his whole career.
Garcia, Mcnabb, and Romo all have had their best years throwing to T.O. T.O has had the benefit of playing with good qbs for most of his career though. Hes finding Fitzpatrick/Edwards are not quite as good as Romo. Buffalo is on par with the Raiders in terms of pass blocking though.
Quarterbacks just usually don’t succeed unless they have one elite wideout.
by houseofprime on Oct 28, 2009 10:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
TO was good...
but you could see some of his skills eroding, and he’s a narcissist. He never openly admitted his own faults. How hard is it to pat your chest and say “Ma bad.”
I have to disagree about the elite wideout assertion. Sure they seem to go hand in hand, but McNabb had a handful of guys who couldn’t and wouldn’t start for many other teams, and the Eagles had a ton of success. Brady with the Pats were the same way when they were winning championships. Give credit to solid QB play and the West Coast offense creating opportunities, but you don’t have to have a great WR corp.
by jdramirez on Oct 28, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Mcnabb pre and post T.O. as well as Brady pre Moss and Welker
would be the exceptions. Look at all the qb’s of today though. What good qb doesn’t have at least one elite guy at wideout?
by houseofprime on Oct 28, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll find out how good Miles really is when we play Philly and Green Bay.
Both teams bring 2 good corners to the table. I’m really looking forward to watching him against those guys.
by houseofprime on Oct 28, 2009 10:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Miles Austin burned Green Bay for 2 60 yard TDs in his career
and 3 catches of more than 50 yards, in one game
by AustonianAggie on Oct 28, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Woodson and Harris
can’t out-muscle him. Their tactics are not effective against Miles.
Ich bin ein Berliner--JFK
by HudBaby on Oct 28, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully that will be the time when....
Roy can get on track and we really start clicking.
No longer drinks Jagermeister because of the Dallas Cowboys.
by Stingah on Oct 28, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But if they double cover him...
and that opens things up for the other players, that doesn’t mean he did a bad job because he caught 3 passes for 28 yards.
by jdramirez on Oct 28, 2009 10:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I agree with that.
Same thing T.O. was doing for us.
by houseofprime on Oct 28, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure TO was doing that last year.
He was single covered against the Eagles and a few other teams, and they used press coverage and his timing was thrown off. More often than not, he was the 1st of 2nd read on the play, and by the time he got into his route, Tony had to look elsewhere. I’m so mad at Jerry Jones. I would have never bought that TO jersey if Jerry didn’t give him the contract extension. Jerry owes me 30 bucks.
by jdramirez on Oct 28, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah most teams played the press but still had a safety over the top.
T.O.‘s lack of good route running has caught up to him because hes lost his short area quickness. He still has that deep speed though, I’ve seem him get behind the defense a few times only to have Edwards or Fitzpatrick throw a pitiful ball.
by houseofprime on Oct 28, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have very little desire to watch Buffalo Football.
So I will defer to you on that one. Freaking Buffalo knocked me out of my suicide pool… I should have known better though, I had the Pats beating them in week one, and that was nearly the end for me then.
by jdramirez on Oct 28, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah watching Buffalo is not pretty at all.
I get all the games so I just surf the channels when the Boys aren’t on.
by houseofprime on Oct 28, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had the Sunday ticket the last 5 years,
but there were only about 3 Cowboys games last year that weren’t televised in my area (Central PA). So it didn’t seem worth paying $400 for 3 games, especially when I can go to my local bar, and buy $400 in wings and beer.
Next Sunday I will make my 2nd trip to the bar. Wings for everyone who joins me.
by jdramirez on Oct 28, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bro,
you’re speaking my language. :)
by Road Warrior on Oct 28, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been thinking the same thing lately
Not a big fan of DirectTv but I like the Sunday Ticket. But you are right only a couple of games here in No. VA that have not been on tv the last couple of years. And wings and beer are good.
by staubachfan on Oct 28, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's funny is that when the Cowboys are crappy again...
then I will be shelling out the $500 to get the Sunday Ticket again to watch a crappy team. Hopefully by that point, I will be an old man with a young wife, and dementia, so I am pleasantly surprised at how hot my wife is each morning when I wake.
by jdramirez on Oct 28, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love the Ticket for more than just the Cowboys games
it’s awesome for FF as well. It’s well worth the $400 to me.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 29, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
plus if you like to make a friendly wager on the games. Love hooking up multiple TVs and watching the games. It’s unbelievable my wife puts up with this!
by selke99 on Oct 29, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
with the Ticket you don't have to hook up multiple TVs
The Game Mix channel shows 8 games all on your big screen, it’s a thing of beauty
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Oct 30, 2009 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
Winning takes talent, to repeat takes character. - John Wooden
by BishopWest on Oct 28, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope
that Roy just comes out and plays well soon … I’m getting tired of all the “it was a bad trade” talk.
by what_the_crap on Oct 28, 2009 11:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Man me too!
Seeing Crabtree step right in with 5 catches, I’m thinking, man Roy how much freakin time do you need, bro!
No longer drinks Jagermeister because of the Dallas Cowboys.
by Stingah on Oct 28, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If this thing with Roy...
…ever takes off. Then the Cowboys offense will be right up there with New Orleans. At that point there would be just too many ways in which they could attack. From both the ground and air.
The 2009 Dallas Cowboys: Talk to me in December.
The NFC East has won 11 Super Bowls; oddly none of those have come courtesy of the Eagles.
by gee-roj on Oct 29, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Off topic.....
Im watching ESPN First Take…I can’t believe the media is grilling Sanchez for eating a freaking Hot Dog on the side line…really!!…..leave the guy alone already..is it that big of a deal…Is there some rule that players can’t eat on the sideline….c’mon….well…they are reporting he is donating 1000 hot dogs and hamburgers to the local soup kicthen…good for him….
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
by Boyzfan94 on Oct 28, 2009 11:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it's a crock.
They were winning the game, and it’s not like he was being called into the game, and he told the coaches to wait a minute.
While you have lead us off topic, I’m annoyed that Bob Griese is being villified for his taco comment. Who doesn’t like Taco Bell. And I’m even more annoyed that Larry Johnson is apologizing for being stupid. Why do we hold athletes up to this politically correct expecation. Don’t people know that athletes are some of the most homophobic people on earth? I think it is because of the communal showers.
by jdramirez on Oct 28, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He said his stomach was queasy, so I don't blame him.
Plus, it was a freaking blowout, so seriously who cares.
by Joon on Oct 28, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he was hiding it.....
so Jamarcus Russell didn’t take it from him.
by Road Warrior on Oct 28, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Are you ready for some football???
by APerfectStar on Oct 29, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Agree
I see that Sanchez has donated 1000 hotdogs and buns to a local shelter. Good for him. I see a sponsorship opportunity for him coming.
by staubachfan on Oct 28, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it was LA, he would be getting crap from PETA.
Hell, he still might. He’s going to have to donate soy dogs, but then again with PETA so they will be retitled, soy tubes.
by jdramirez on Oct 28, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't agree with you very often, but I don't get the fuss either
A guy can’t eat a hot dog on the bench at the end of a game? WTF is that?
Are you ready for some football???
by APerfectStar on Oct 29, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
right on again Raf
and thanks for your objectivity on RW. It’s still too early to call the trade a bust.
"What we've got here is failure to communicate"
by angie'sdad on Oct 28, 2009 12:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
For all the value we squak about regarding Roy Williams.....
We certainly got one heck of a value for Miles as a free agent.
No longer drinks Jagermeister because of the Dallas Cowboys.
by Stingah on Oct 28, 2009 3:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He ate a freaking hot dog....
Big deal!
No longer drinks Jagermeister because of the Dallas Cowboys.
by Stingah on Oct 28, 2009 3:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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