Cowboys @ Broncos: Gameday Open Thread III 10/4/09
by Dave Halprin on Oct 4, 2009 4:52 PM CDT
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What will the new thread symbol be...
when Wade gets fired?
Dallas needs to Rise Up!!!
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
DWare needs to be benched...
Give Butler sometime in there….
You'd make an excellent head coach...
by excellent I mean horrible.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Oct 4, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
i was kiddin..
Take it easy guys…i am a fan of Dware….always have been..but fear his big payday has been dented…
how many points
has tony romo gift wrapped this season? 28?
If I didn't have to go to work tommorrow...
I’d take a drink everytime the word sucks pops up on here.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Oct 4, 2009 4:54 PM CDT reply actions
sucks sucks sucks sucks sucks
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
YES
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Now lets do it!!
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Nice
but keep yer day yob
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
HUGE play
this D is playing great ball since halftime of the panthers game
Welcome to the NFL, rook!
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
They need a TD
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
knowshon... KNOW what?
shut your mouth and hold on to the ball.
Apparently our entire passing game is
hitting wrs who are NOT moving….
Look for Roy Willy
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Roy or Telly B in the END ZONE
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Romo throwing too soon and with crappy mechanics
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Are you serious?
It went right off of his hands dude.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Oct 4, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Lol
Did anyone hear what Pam Oliver had to say.
She interviewed Wade Phillps. You know what he had to say .
We did a decent job. Not really with all the trippings and letting the broncos get that TD
Denver is going to put up a couple of TD's in the 2nd half
Dallas needs to be aggressive, without being stupid.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
That Timeout could be useful later on...
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I really shoulda gone and
bought my Fat Tire beer, Romo is gonna put me in an early grave, mark the day friends
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Oct 4, 2009 4:59 PM CDT reply actions
probably
but he makes all of our lives more exciting doesn’t he?
For the last year and first two games of this year, I’ve gotten the distinct feeling that all our games turn into a shootout
all our games turn into a circus****
crap how did i do that.
Myself, I am going with the Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA, damned fine stuff
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
Is Gurode really that dumb?
on the delay of game, Romo was screaming for the ball too.
That's why Kosier is really the brains of the group
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Typical sloppy fare
burn a timeout for no good reason
Felix is the flucrum of this offense...
Unless he is healthy..we will struggle
Good job Romo
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I think you are right...
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I think thought Austin
was supposed to break out
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Oct 4, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
arrrrrrrrrg
that may very well be on austin though
uggggh
'he nails an open three from the corner....just like you and me, this one was made by penetration' - Truthaboutit - Round 1 Game 5 Recap
yea
but why is is that romo and our wrs often don’t know where they’re going?
Yeah, if the WRs are wrong so often, might it also be the QBs faault?
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
I love the call
“Caught by Bailey” – like the INT part is to be expected
except one the second is not his fault and the first was marginally his fault
compared tot he ny game when he just sucked.
same play that roy caught the ball in front of bailey breaking to the outside
Austin (cuz he’s stupid) didnt break to the outside
That's not on Romo
That was on Austin
Turnover Tony - BIG IN NAME, NO BIG GAME.
Deke - I thought Romo had regressed last year as a quarterback, Poor Mechaniics,Poor Footwork,Poor decsions, Poor Throws. His game and numbers just don't lie. Tony has to get it in his head, that he has to take better care of the football and make better decisions on the field if he wants to be an elite Quarterback. He has tools, he just has to put it all together on a consistant basis.
Aikman on Romo - When the games are close, you have to be smart with the football and that has been a problem with Tony.
JJT - by the numbers - In Romo's first 23 games as a starter, 17-6 with 50 touchdown passes, 24 interceptions and a 101.7 passer rating. The Cowboys were 12-1 and en route to earning the NFC's top playoff seed.
Since then, Romo is 11-9 as a starter with 34 touchdowns, 23 interceptions and a 85.0 passer rating.
The guy from the first 23 starts can lead the Cowboys to a championship; the guy from the last 20 starts can't.
Jimmy Johnson on Romo - KISS as in "Keep It Simple Sir: (If Romo keeps turning the ball over like he did against the Giants, KISS might stand for, KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID
Again, Dallas is afraid to go over the top
…and Denver and Nolan seem to know it.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Dude...
that wasn’t on Romo. I’m not being an apologist. But that wasn’t on him.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Oct 4, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Good point!!!
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I think this is on the coaches.....
if the QB and the WR are not on the same page, it should be on the coaches
No fair
you can’t expect better from these coaches.
by I_miss_Switzer on Oct 4, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Good thing we burned the timeout
to set up that crapshow.
Be it Romo or Austin, there is no excuse for a brain cramp after a time out.
Is Austin our most disappointing player this year?
Will someone please tell the Cowboys that it's not yet December?
It’s still OK to play well.
Romo is Latin for turnover machine
he’s just awfu.
do you watch the games?.....
I don’t see how you can blame romo for that without at least considering its austins fault
I repeat this guy is not an actual Cowboys fan.
He only jumped on the bandwagon when he was a successful yuppie in the mid-90s because they were THE TEAM at the time. Now he is a professional blogger who doesn’t really “root” for any team per se.
Yeah, a WR a QB a new head coach and OFF Coach
because this team goes nowhere as it stands
Larry Parrish Was Da Man!
Loser teams
do loser things
and this team has the aura of losers.
by I_miss_Switzer on Oct 4, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions
we need to go after the best WR in the draft next year..this group is not cutting it
you can tell when we struggle to run the ball we can’t rely on the WRs
What really bothers me most about it is, they JUST got out of a frigging timeout where
they SUPPOSEDLY laid out the plan for the next play in detail….HOW do you miscommunicate like that RIGHT after a timeout?!!?!?
by Loozeeana_Cowboy on Oct 4, 2009 5:04 PM CDT reply actions
Exactly
extra time to be ready for your assignment.
by I_miss_Switzer on Oct 4, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Again....
it seems like every other game with this team turns into a circus
"That's not on Romo." "That's not on Romo." "That's not on Romo."
I’m tired of hearing that. Who cares if it’s not on Romo. That’s yet another pick because the QB and receiver were not on the same page. That’s a communication problem, and if I were the QB, I would making sure that in the 4th week of the season there were NO MORE COMMUNICATION PROBLEMS.
Too bad. If Romo has to take crap for his bads, then others oughta take crap for
facemask
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
even on a sack, we screw up
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
dammit man
'he nails an open three from the corner....just like you and me, this one was made by penetration' - Truthaboutit - Round 1 Game 5 Recap
I know it was the QB
but that didn’t look like a flagrant facemask.
Spencer having a Bobby Carpenter day
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Spencer
missed pick, personal foul on a sure sack, missed tackles.
I hope he picks it up from here on out
Pass rush is stepping it up now, though
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
WOW
defense is definitely playing well. Spencer has about 4 individual Fups but as a team we’ve been great.
Bradie James should be a pro bowler every year
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
that was nearly a disaster
thats how you screw up field position.
At least Wares finally gotgoing
Why can't these guys go low on Buckhalter???
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Lucky we stopped them
DC has been the worst 3rd & long defense in history over the last 3-4 years.
Can we get back to running the ball
and play action to Witten over the middle and stop with the stupid penalties
Turnover Tony - BIG IN NAME, NO BIG GAME.
Deke - I thought Romo had regressed last year as a quarterback, Poor Mechaniics,Poor Footwork,Poor decsions, Poor Throws. His game and numbers just don't lie. Tony has to get it in his head, that he has to take better care of the football and make better decisions on the field if he wants to be an elite Quarterback. He has tools, he just has to put it all together on a consistant basis.
Aikman on Romo - When the games are close, you have to be smart with the football and that has been a problem with Tony.
JJT - by the numbers - In Romo's first 23 games as a starter, 17-6 with 50 touchdown passes, 24 interceptions and a 101.7 passer rating. The Cowboys were 12-1 and en route to earning the NFC's top playoff seed.
Since then, Romo is 11-9 as a starter with 34 touchdowns, 23 interceptions and a 85.0 passer rating.
The guy from the first 23 starts can lead the Cowboys to a championship; the guy from the last 20 starts can't.
Jimmy Johnson on Romo - KISS as in "Keep It Simple Sir: (If Romo keeps turning the ball over like he did against the Giants, KISS might stand for, KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID
The result of the Romo INT is we get the ball back on our 20
Man, that is painful.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Can't seem to block well with them in the pattern
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
+1
Or some posts by our Wideouts. But Garret only likes outs and corner routes which also happen to be… surprise, surprise… the most intercepted passes.
I would put my money on yes
but why has our passing game been this off since romo came back from injury? Time adn time again romo throws one way and the receiver throws the other.
I think we ran twice last time
and not 0 yards both times. Denver was run blitzing
After this 7 win season i would love to see both of them outta here
along with the head coach
Larry Parrish Was Da Man!
What does the O do now?
Denver is stopping the run, Romo can’t hit a barn door and the WR’s aren’t able to shake a leaf
TE Screens
Get Witten and Bennett the ball in space
Watch the guys in the pattern on this drive
Dallas pass catchers look like they are running in knee deep mud.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
its amazing what one guy out of the offense can do...
just comes show you these WRs aren’t very good
Agreed
our WRs just don’t create mismatches. Our TEs do.
by I_miss_Switzer on Oct 4, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, because the franchise had been playing great before his arrival
'he nails an open three from the corner....just like you and me, this one was made by penetration' - Truthaboutit - Round 1 Game 5 Recap
Every once in a while, the D has to win a game for us
by One.Cool.Customer on Oct 4, 2009 5:11 PM CDT reply actions
or Specials!
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
O-line not giving Romo much time
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
in name only
'he nails an open three from the corner....just like you and me, this one was made by penetration' - Truthaboutit - Round 1 Game 5 Recap
Choice was deifnitely down
it wasn’t close i think.
I was slammed by my pre-season post on the WR's not being that good....
sucks that I’m right, but I told ya’ll so.
NOW THAT IS ON ROMO
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
errrg romo just stepped into that
bad pocket presence there
Doomervil keeping Denver in the game
I'm tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok.
Shaquille O'Neal
people who say we miss TO have absolutely no clue what they're saying
criticizing our wrs is one thing. BUt TO wouldn’t be much help
Way too slow Tony
you are a veteran now, no matter what others may say
Yeah Tony
is not playin reckless, but it’s not as exciting
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Oct 4, 2009 5:13 PM CDT reply actions
That's what happens when...
you restrain Romo. He will not be making huge mistakes but he will also not going to be spectacular.
Now we give the ball to Denver and if they score, the INT looms even larger...
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
huh? the have the ball at the 14
at this point Romo’s INT has NO effect on the result
I think you have to look at TO's as momentum changers relative to field postion and the NEXT points scored
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
how sad is that comment?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
As if Witten has the RAC ability to make that play, come on!!!
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
We have one dangerous player on offence
and he isn’t dressed today.
asterisk
dangerous to the other team, not ourselves
by I_miss_Switzer on Oct 4, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
They are good players and productive
but not threats to make a big game changing play.
We have a very plodding offence. I expected Bennett and Austin to be more than they have been.
by I_miss_Switzer on Oct 4, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions
we're definitely in a transition phase
again, give it some time. I’d rather see this team than the mess that showed up last december
Transition? Oh please. Rookie QB, rookie RB, rookie coach...
…those are things in transition…we are definitely NOT in transition.
we are going from a quick strike passing offense
to a ball control offense. Which means our oline has to play cleaner, our qb has to make fewer mistakes and take the 4-5 yard plays when they’re there, and the field changes when you consider Romo doesn’t have as many guys getting deep open…comapred to say 2007 or early part of 2008
We need Pink Cleats
to do his special thing today, you know it’s the pink shoes
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Oct 4, 2009 5:15 PM CDT reply actions
special teams looking good again... 4 games straight is more than a trend
we can officially call them fixed
'he nails an open three from the corner....just like you and me, this one was made by penetration' - Truthaboutit - Round 1 Game 5 Recap
Give credit to Watkins on specials...he made a great play
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Anyone figure out yet that Romo is not a good QB
maybe after a 6 or 7 win season someone will get the picture
Larry Parrish Was Da Man!
except for the fact that TO sucks now
'he nails an open three from the corner....just like you and me, this one was made by penetration' - Truthaboutit - Round 1 Game 5 Recap
and sucked at the end of last year, previewing his demise
'he nails an open three from the corner....just like you and me, this one was made by penetration' - Truthaboutit - Round 1 Game 5 Recap
what has TO done
to make that the wrong decision? I’m pretty sure Roy has more yards than him
Special teams have been a big difference this year
we consistently put the opposition in bad situation
a looooong season
where we win 10 games with a great defense and run game
What has he done again?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Gain of 8 on 1st down from their 7? Really???
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
And it was an inside run
D-line did their job clogging the middle.
Yep, setting ourselves up for a late game collapse in the high altitude
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
wow
how…
ugh.
'he nails an open three from the corner....just like you and me, this one was made by penetration' - Truthaboutit - Round 1 Game 5 Recap
Stick Butler in there
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
C'mon D
this game is gonna be your victory, if we do it
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Oct 4, 2009 5:20 PM CDT reply actions
Wonder if KC Joyner runs metrics...
on receivers who actually run good routes… Wonder how we would stack up
Ogletree
is he a deep threat?
So much for Austin and Bennett stepping up
looked more like a contusion
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I remember Jimmy Jackson
catching one on the ground in preseason and just rolling it out of his hands for a turnover
may have been in overtime
He did okay in Jacksonville though
by I_miss_Switzer on Oct 4, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Octavien knows the system better
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
because butler backs up spencer
'he nails an open three from the corner....just like you and me, this one was made by penetration' - Truthaboutit - Round 1 Game 5 Recap
Come on Jenkins!!! That was a Chuck Knoblauch play!!!
You can do a lot of things in life. You can't stab a teammate with a pair of scissors. - Kevin Smith
It won't be long till they get a long run.
However, Garrett seems to abandon the run.
~Texas Massacre '09~
give it a little
so far they’ve been extremely good
No sign of Igor or Spears
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
they did last wek...and tampa....,,and pretty much consistently do it
as romo’s record is pretty darn good
Tampa? They should have been blown out, and how has Romo's record been over the lat 20 games?
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
Good run blocking by Denver
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
yeah but I cannot stand the idea that if you criticize this crappy team you should stop roting for them
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
I'm not saying that
But Adrock is just saying the same thing over and over… doesn’t really add anything to the discussion
sorry if I overreacted I am down a sixer of a good IPA already
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
That is just pitch and catch
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
what makes you say the talent is decent? B/C they looked good in training camp
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
Looked like Campo was telling Watkins to not give his cover 10 yards of space
Maybe it’s not the coaching?
BIG PLAY HERE
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
We are in the Twilight Zone
Watkins is the only DB who is tackling well.
I don't think Denver is legit
You can do a lot of things in life. You can't stab a teammate with a pair of scissors. - Kevin Smith
Are we in prevent???
You can do a lot of things in life. You can't stab a teammate with a pair of scissors. - Kevin Smith
Looks like a loss at this point
The offense can’t move the ball and now the D is letting Denver move the WHOLE field
Nice stuff!!
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
EVEN BIGGER PLAY COMING!!!
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
you folks are funny as hell
'he nails an open three from the corner....just like you and me, this one was made by penetration' - Truthaboutit - Round 1 Game 5 Recap
YES
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
good stop
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
GREAT STOP D!!!!
'he nails an open three from the corner....just like you and me, this one was made by penetration' - Truthaboutit - Round 1 Game 5 Recap
GREAT DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
they’veplayed very well these last 5 quarters.
if its a first down, they mismarked it
You're dang tootin it does!!!!
You can do a lot of things in life. You can't stab a teammate with a pair of scissors. - Kevin Smith
And they gave them a charitable spot
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
KEITH BROOKING
'he nails an open three from the corner....just like you and me, this one was made by penetration' - Truthaboutit - Round 1 Game 5 Recap
Brooking is a monster
and jenkins gave a nice push to keep him standing
i'd vote for ratliff
'he nails an open three from the corner....just like you and me, this one was made by penetration' - Truthaboutit - Round 1 Game 5 Recap
MY boy Brooking...
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Does McDaniels have his sweatshirt sleeves rolled up...
so he can look like Bellicheat? What a homer. And what a switzer call.
Carpenter got penetration too
and forced him into Brooking.
My heart is giving out
This is nerve wracking
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Oct 4, 2009 5:29 PM CDT reply actions
why Troy Aikman is so great doing broadcasts
the guy was dead one when he mention on third down to go play action and throw deep.
Turnover Tony - BIG IN NAME, NO BIG GAME.
Deke - I thought Romo had regressed last year as a quarterback, Poor Mechaniics,Poor Footwork,Poor decsions, Poor Throws. His game and numbers just don't lie. Tony has to get it in his head, that he has to take better care of the football and make better decisions on the field if he wants to be an elite Quarterback. He has tools, he just has to put it all together on a consistant basis.
Aikman on Romo - When the games are close, you have to be smart with the football and that has been a problem with Tony.
JJT - by the numbers - In Romo's first 23 games as a starter, 17-6 with 50 touchdown passes, 24 interceptions and a 101.7 passer rating. The Cowboys were 12-1 and en route to earning the NFC's top playoff seed.
Since then, Romo is 11-9 as a starter with 34 touchdowns, 23 interceptions and a 85.0 passer rating.
The guy from the first 23 starts can lead the Cowboys to a championship; the guy from the last 20 starts can't.
Jimmy Johnson on Romo - KISS as in "Keep It Simple Sir: (If Romo keeps turning the ball over like he did against the Giants, KISS might stand for, KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID
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