A good problem to have: no major draft needs (poll)
by quincyyyyy on Nov 13, 2009 9:28 AM CST
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PrintI have been thinking about our needs for '10 draft the past week or so and I'm have trouble thinking of our needs. When our scouts evaluate the draft they compare the prospects up against the players on the current roster. I doubt Montrae Holland will be back; he is just no worth his price tag. Allen Rossum will likely be gone, and Marcus Spears will probably sign somewhere else for bigger money, just like Canty did.
So our 53 man roster going into the draft will likely be this:
Offense: 25
QB: Romo, Kitna, McGee
RB: Barber, Felix, Choice
WR: Austin, Williams, Ogletree, Crayton, Hurd
TE: Witten, Bennett, Phillips
FB: Anderson
OT: Flo, Colombo, Free, Brewster, McQ
OG: Davis, Kosier
C: Gurode, Preston, Procter
Defense: 24
DE: Olshansky, Bowen, Hatcher,
NT: Rat, Siavii
OLB: Ware, Spencer, Butler, Curtis Johnson, Octavien, Brandon Williams
ILB: James, Brooking, Carpenter, Jason Williams, Hodge
Safety: Ken Hamlin, Sensebaugh, Mike Hamlin, Watkins
CB: Newman, Jenkins, Scandrick, Ball
Special Teams: 4
K: Folk, Buehler
P: McBriar
LS: L.P. Ladoucer
Scanning over the roster there are three areas of mild concern: D-line, o-line, and DB. I say mild concern because we have good starters at all positions, except for maybe the DE spot. However, I think we will be in a good situation with Bowen and Hatcher competing for the starting spot. So really at this point we are drafting for backups.
At o-line we have our starters set for next year, and possibly a future LT in Free. Although there is concern about the quality of backup center.
We have good starters and young talent at DB, but having a roster with only 8 DB's is sort of playing with fire.
This makes it difficult to draft first day prospects because you are looking for players who can make an immediate impact in the near future. Thus, I'm having trouble thinking of positions we could draft with our second and first round picks.
So what says you?
Update: I have been doing a little research and apparently Leonard Davis's contract will cost us 8 mill in 2011, and it would only cost us less than 5 mil against the cap to cut him. Furthermore, Kosier’s contract is up in 2011. So guard actually may be a need in 2010. So if you look at the poll I added guard as an option.
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BPA is always the best option
Especially since we don’t have any immediate needs… I would say positions to look at are Center, NT, CB, S, WR, OT, OG, w/ the WR and CB being late rounders
"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards
by nicholas.rodriguez on Nov 12, 2009 11:18 PM CST reply actions
I like Mike Hamlin or even Alan Ball starting next to Sensebaugh in the future so I'm not sure it is a first day possibility
unless something ridiculous happens like Taylor Mays dropping to us
Assuming we sign free agents
Sensabaugh is a free agent after this season – hopefully he can be signed longer term
by doomsdayreturns on Nov 12, 2009 11:54 PM CST up reply actions
i think after we deal with the offensive and defensive line,
we should see what we can do about our fs position. Maybe it’s just me, but a lot more turnovers could be created in the future if we had someone better than hamlin. Think Ed Reed. :]
Ed Reed's are hard to come by
and looking as if we will be picking in the later half of the round, it makes it harder to find one, OT would probably be the best option for our 1st
"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards
by nicholas.rodriguez on Nov 13, 2009 1:32 AM CST up reply actions
You answered my question
I asked in the Cowboy Casserole thread about Mike Hamlin as a SS or FS.
That’s kind of what I was thinking.
You can't stop Patrick Crayton, you can only hope to contain him.
by APerfectStar on Nov 13, 2009 9:05 PM CST up reply actions
That might be good...
I would still want Sensi to cover the TEs at least next year tho
"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards
by nicholas.rodriguez on Nov 19, 2009 9:23 PM CST up reply actions
This one's easy.
Hell, even GM Jerry let this cat out of the bag. He’s worried about OL depth…meaning there’s a need.
Who out there wouldn’t love the next Orlando Pace in his prime?
Think:
- no more False starts
- All-Pro, All-Decade, all-timer
- protecting Romo
- Dominating all comers
mmm….yes, please!
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
That easy huh?
The Knights season may have just ended, but the Cowboys year is just begining!
by aussie_cowboy on Nov 13, 2009 8:53 PM CST up reply actions
Heck yeah!
OT, specifically, Left Tackles…or more to the point Franchise Left Tackles are found in the first round.
They have the highest Boom rate (Success) of any other position.
Further, while there are a few exceptions, nearly every LT in the league was taken in the 1st or 2nd round.
If you need a LT, you get it in the 1st 2 rounds. 1st rounders are where the elite are.
But some classes are weak? Sure. But from everything I’ve read, this is going to be a very talented and deep class. Much better than last year, for sure.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
I think the best player available would be a good strategy
but I would love for the first two rounds to be focused on rejuvenating our line situation. After that though, I don’t have a real preference outside of the fact I think the Cowboys need to actually find a guy like Jacoby Ford who can add even more speed to the offense and finally lockdown the return positions once and for all.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
I do think Return man is one of our biggest priorities
"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards
by nicholas.rodriguez on Nov 13, 2009 1:33 AM CST up reply actions
Ford is an excellent choice, and depending on his Combine, he would likely be available
in the late 2nd early 3rd, unless I miss my guess. He’s still got some polishing to do as a WR, but he has NCAA national track champion speed. IIRC, he was hand-timed in high school at 4.18 40 time. I just wish we could get CJ Spiller, too, but we’re stocked at RB. Those two would be simply too much speed for one defense to take along with Austin, Felix, and maybe Ogletree. Both CJ and Jacoby are excellent returners, though CJ gets more of them and does more damage due to that.
I love being a Clemson fan sometimes.
Deep Draft
I hear there should be alot of underclassmen declaring this year. There may be a rookie scale with the new CBA. I think we trade out the first round.
by CowboyCurtis on Nov 13, 2009 8:21 AM CST up reply actions
I have been thinking the same thing
trade out of the first and then package some other picks and trade into the second. I think a lot of first round grade players will slip into the second.
Why?
Why would you trade out of the 32nd spot into the second round? Hardly any difference :-)
by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 14, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
pick up eextra picks and you'll probably get a first round value somewhere in the early to mid
second round. First round graded prospect often drop into the second round. And with the deep draft this year it can almost be assured.
Nice!!!
I’ll take the 32nd pick for us any year =)
"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards
by nicholas.rodriguez on Nov 19, 2009 9:25 PM CST up reply actions
+1
The Knights season may have just ended, but the Cowboys year is just begining!
by aussie_cowboy on Nov 13, 2009 8:54 PM CST up reply actions
As much as I would love to grab a ranked DB
at the end of the first rd, OL is an area that scares the hell out of me. When they trotted Proctor out to fill in for Gurode I wondered if Romo was thinking about his life insurance and whether the premiums were payed up. OL- OL- OL
Another outside LB
I don’t know about Spencer.
O-line is always a good place to have depth. Allen is getting up there in years.
"Right after the game, say as little as possible."
- Tom Landry
How Come...
He didnt list Victor Butler in his line-up???….FEAR THE STAR
by Hawgz, Bugz, and FilthyFowl Hater on Nov 13, 2009 7:32 AM CST reply actions
Personally I'd go OT with an eye towards RT in the first round.
I think Free is the answer when Adams is done at LT, but we have no one behind Columbo at RT.
I'm sure Brewster
will get a shot at it next year.
by CowboyCurtis on Nov 13, 2009 8:23 AM CST up reply actions
oops, forgot about him
but as Raf says, he’s a hope, not a plan, and if we can get a 1st rounder at the position that we can trust, then maybe one or the other can be a game-day active swing tackle until Flo and Columbo hang it up.
Drafting a guy with your 2nd pick of the draft is hope?
Then wtf is the plan? If they take a guy in the 3rd or 4th round he’s a hope?
Not many NFL team plans have using only 1st and 2nd round draft picks only as their talent acquisition plan.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
Brewster has shown next to nothing yet, IIRC he didn't even get into camp uninjured
We have no idea what we have in him, and as for where he was drafted, wasn’t he in the 4th round? The 1st and 2nd rounders, as you know, are the guys that should be near-future starters, or at least heavy contributors. Brewster may just be a 4th round project. But then again, what do I know, I’m no draft guru. So pardon me for wanting a 1st rounder to get more chances at having a good backup, and eventual replacement for RT.
actually, just saw where Brewster is a guard.
which means there’s Free…and uh, who? at backup OT Seriously, I can’t remember if there is another guy on the roster trustworthy at RT other than Columbo.
Brewster was still our 2nd pick of the draft
Top 5 rounds are all premium picks. Rounds 3-5 have been especially good to us for depth and growth.
I do not disagree with getting a LT with our 1st pick…maybe even second round given the depth of this class.
But my point is that we have a lot more than just hope…we spent a premium pick last year. Same with Free. And, we have 2 very good, very young C/G prospects that have started in this league for good Offensive lines. We’ve got a lot more than hope.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
I know OL is a big concern, but I voted for DB.
It would be nice to get a rookie in here that can be a solid 4th CB and develop while TNew ages. A ball-hawking FS would be nice, too if they can get a value pick. These are positions that have various uses on ST, especially if they get a guy with some return skills.
Then, I’d like a thumper ILB, some OL, and a NT. A WR/KR/PR/whatever project would be intriguing as well.
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
WE NEED
2 more corners
2 more O-linemen
1 more DT/DE combo
1 more OLB
1 more ILB
and that’s hoping this year’s draft picks pan out. (J Williams, B Williams, Hodge, Brewster)
we need alot of improvement to the bottom of the roster
Coach Winters: Mississippi State's offensive set. 2nd & 2 on our own 24, what defensive set might we call?
Alvin Mack: Eagle Zipper Hero, unless the setback shifts into the I.
Coach Winters: Good..[clicks to next slide], third and seven?
Alvin Mack: Oakie Thunder Lion. {What's your assignment?}
Alvin Mack: Kill the quarterback. {{Coach Winters clicks to next slide}}
Alvin Mack: Hit the tight end so hard his girlfriend dies. {{Coach Winters clicks to next slide}}
Alvin Mack: Kill everybody.
Really?
I’ve never seen a team 6-deep at corner.
OL, sure, but I’d say 1, maybe two.
NT, maybe. Siavii has proven to be perfect. And all those wanting Rat at DE? And replace the best NT in the game? Who would you rather have? BTW, this will be the best NT free agency period ever. 3 of the top 10 FAs will be NTs.
OLB…no argument. Though we’ve invested so heavily, it might just be best to go with what we have.
ILB? Nope. Got Brady & Brookings for 3 years. Got some talent in the hopper (Jason Williams, & 2 on IR). Got plenty of role players.
Next year’s draft will be about Planet Theory Rounds 1-3, round 4 is always Jerry’s project reaches, and the rest is BPA with a theme.
What’s the theme? Hell, I don’t even know how this one ends, how the hell can I tell what we need?
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
Update: I have been doing a little research and aparrently Leonard Davis's contract
will cost us 8 mill in 2011 and it will cost us 5 mil to cut him, and Kosier’s contract is up in 2011. So guard actually may be a need in 2010. So if you look at the poll I changed center to interior o-line.
Davis is not going anywhere....he is a top 5 guard in this league...
You should be more worried about Flozells contract which will cost us over 9 mil next year
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
you can never have too many big men...
OL needs depth and a not too distant future replacement for Flo
"What we've got here is failure to communicate"
LMAO....
I dont know how funny you guys think it is, but to me it is hilarious to listen to the CheeseCakes fans grumble…Only one clown over there thinks they have a snow-balls chance in hell of beating us Sunday…What is terrible, is I cant go into their blog site and give them my “special” kind of encouragement…Kinda give them that old pep talk that i gave the Bleeding Green Nation, and the Big Blue Review(now that there i thought was funny, and it also got me banned after having been a member for exactly 36 minutes)…LMAO…FEAR THE STAR
by Hawgz, Bugz, and FilthyFowl Hater on Nov 13, 2009 10:20 AM CST reply actions
Totally agree on OL
What I would like them to find is a couple of combo type guys who can play multiple positions. T is definitely a need, but I hear they pretty happy with free. Someone that can play both G and T and/or G and C would do wonders for the depth problem along the line.
Similarly, a bigger corner who could also play S would be great. Newman appears on the downward slide, so I think they are going to have to have someone to start grooming to be the nickel corner and who they would be comfortabale starting in the event of an injury (assuming Jenkins and Scandrick are your starters in 2 years).
Amazingly, I think they still need to get better at DE. I think the production from the group (especially Spears) has been disappointing. Olshansky has been a good addition, but maybe some of the younger guys will start to step up.
by WhatsUpPorkchop on Nov 13, 2009 10:25 AM CST reply actions
How exactly has Spears been disappointing this year?
He and Spencer have been incredibly disruptive on that side this year, especially in the running game.
by Mandmeisterx on Nov 13, 2009 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
Spears will go, possibly Carp
I wonder if this is the year we find a road grader at NT and move Ratliff to DE, plugging the gap created by Spears departure. Hopefully, Carpenter’s replacement is already on the roster.
Biggest priority is OLine for depth and succession. If Free is the man at LT and Brewster proves to be a player, then focus should be RT then a C/G replacement for either Holland or Proctor. I actually believe Bigg Davis is playing the best since he’s been here, he has been demolishing LB’s at the 2nd level when pulling and any combo blocks are creating space. I think there may be potential this is Hurd’s last hurrah, we need some size at WR.
FS is the last need, and there’s typically a lot of talent in the 2nd/3rd Round.
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Carp is still under contract for one more year and he has played well as a nickel lber
he will be here at least for one more year.
Carp is not going anywhere....
He is better than Burnett, great on special teams and improving week to week with more playing time….why the hell would you think about getting rid of him. He is a different player than he was a year or two ago..
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
I'll take ya'lls feedback when I make my new mock draft in a day or so
it will be my first 7 rounder
Can I get a Duck?
Walter Thurmond III has been a star CB for Oregon, except he will be coming off a season-ending knee injury. Because of that, they may be able to get some good value on him late in the draft.
He’s awesome when healthy, and I’ve heard that his knee injury is nothing too serious. The above profile projects him in the 3rd, but with the injury I can see him slipping maybe into the 5th—depending on the level of competition at that particular position.
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
by Aaron Novinger on Nov 13, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
But I like Chicken more than Duck...
O wait, u mean an Oregon Duck…yea get one!!
"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards
by nicholas.rodriguez on Nov 19, 2009 9:31 PM CST up reply actions
We have plenty of needs..NT, DE, WR, ILB...
We need a true NT to back up Rat…I dont know how much longer Rat will be able to hold up being a undersized NT. I still think he would make a better DE in a 3-4 than a NT. At some point he maybe moved to DE..Spears is on the last year of his contract. They could re-sign him, but I dont see that happening. They could also franchise him, but no way in hell they do that…I think he is gone after the season which means if they don’t like players Hatcher, Bowen to fill the void we could very well be looking for a DE in the draft or FA.
Hurd is a FA after the season and Crayton is closer to the end of his career than the beggining of it so WR is a need. Ogletree will be elevated to the #3 WR next year, I have no doubts about it which means Crayton is the #4 turning 31. Not sure he is on the team. We should draft a WR in higher rounds, 1st or 2nd round to work behind RW, Austin. Let the rookie and Ogletree compete for the #3 and #4 position in training camp.
James and Brookings dont have much tread left and you can never have enough LBs…..I wouldn’t at all be surprised if they go out and draft a stud ILB with our first rounder..It seems thats what’s missing from this being a good defense to a great defense.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Stop it, please.
We have the best NT in the league. How much freakin’ time you want him off the field?
If you come back with him not being a “true” NT, you need to name 1 NT you’d rather have and defend it. ‘Cause I’ll tell you right now, you’ve got no empirical evidence (stats), mediot opinion, or even BSPN on your side.
I’m more than happy to see Hatcher and/or Bowen step up, but I think Spears comes at a BIG hometown discount. Whose really going to want him at premium money?
And James and Brookings don’t have much tread? That we need a rookie ILB to make the difference??? {must resist defaming the opinion}….
Sorry, but I got to raise the B.S. flag on this.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
I would love to have a young Brooking type drafted at ILB
just to learn from the master until he hangs it up. It’s certainly not a crying need, which I don’t think the Cowboys have.
What are Jason Williams and Stephen Hodge?
Both are major league athletes. Jason is in the dojo right now.
He was after all our 1st pick of the draft.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
Hodge is a OLB....Jason maybe Brookings replacement at some point...We need true a ILB
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
I think they moved Hodge from college SS to pro ILB.
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
by Aaron Novinger on Nov 14, 2009 9:33 AM CST up reply actions
Hodge is ILB
Keep up
You can't stop Patrick Crayton, you can only hope to contain him.
by APerfectStar on Nov 14, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
Well you better open your eyes then....
If Rat goes down who the hell is his backup? would you be happy with Salivi starting?…..yeah right….LMAO!!…. Don’t kid yourself Wade knows he needs a NT in the draft or FA next year…The fact of the matter is Ratiff is a undersized NT with a high motor..as he gets older that motor will slow down, thus him being less effective. Finding a talented, big NT is hard to begin with so if the opportunity is there in the draft I believe they will grab one. ie., New England has Wolfork and they drafted Ron Brace to back him up. It’s important next year to find his backup.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Eyes wide shut
NE is the only (and I mean one and only) 3-4 team that has a backup NT. And that is because they’re going to let Wilfork walk next year.
Who’s SD got as a backup? Miami, GB, Denver, KC, Pitts, etc., etc. (Actually, there is one team that found a gem)
And the “Fact of the Matter” is that Ratliff is the best NT in the league right now. Not the best “undersized” guy. Not the best effort guy. THE best player.
This obsession with a guy’s measurables is complete b.s. Dumerville, Zach Thomas, Bob Sanders, DeSean Jackson, Steve Smith, (want to keep going?) all are “undersized”, but most have been superstars.
With all that said, I was screaming for Brace to drop and wanted someone else a few rounds later, but Wade stayed put with Siavii. He’s massive. He had a great pedigree coming out. And he’s played very well to date.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
and we are the only 3-4 team that has a undesized NT...
open your eyes man…we were looking for a NT last year to backup Ratiff. What makes you think we wont again in the draft next year..The need is still the same…..Let’s just pray that Ratliff doesn’t go down with a serious injury beacause we are screwed if he does and maybe some of you will open up your eyes for once….NT is a serious need..wake up!
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
I agree that depth is a need
But when you say NT is a serious need, you’re implying that Ratliff sucks.
Ratliff is awesome, but we need to protect ourselves if and when he gets injured....
Rats high motor will slow down at some point which could lead to him being less effective. Thats the reason I said he could be moved to DE at some point in his career. I don’t think anyone should be happy with the backup NT position….we need to improve the depth there in a big way.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
We'll have plenty of time to debate after the season...
but your argument doesn’t hold water.
We passed on a number of big bodies to back up Rat, but stuck with Siavii who hadn’t played in two years.
We didn’t draft one, though at least two were available when we picked our first 4.
And other than NE, name a single backup to any 3-4 NT. Just one.
You’re infatuation with big bodies is clouding your judgement. The Phillips’ 3-4 is predicated on quick, disruptive NTs. It is actually a lot more like the 3-technique in the Tampa-2 (think Warren Sapp) than the 2-gap plugger favored by Parcells.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
we didn't pass up on any big bodies because there wasn't any...
Brace was the only one that we had a shot at..
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
I will back Boyz up on this one....
How the heck could we ever pass up a guy like OU’S defensive tackle for NT? Or the kid from Alabama? You are telling us that if we had a chance to draft one of those two kids( both big , athletic, and quick……Leon lett type style) that you would pass cause we don’t need an upgrade on the defensive line? I am here to tell you that if you can get a big , mobile kid to do the dirty work at NT, and let Rat. play defensive end with alot more room to tear some S*(&( up. That not only makes sense but it makes our line that more dominating. Rat is a monster……..a monster with more open field becomes a dominant beast. I would do that right now if it could be done, so don;t kid yourself with your thinking.
We have the Oregon Weightlifting Supermen
In Siavvi and Igor…we don’t need no NT… but I would like to see Rat get some reps at DE.. Possibly in a 3-3-5 look
"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards
by nicholas.rodriguez on Nov 19, 2009 9:32 PM CST up reply actions
No major draft needs? LOL!
You did see what happened to the line last year with Kosier out?
Name with a straight face one QUALITY OL backup you could trust if a starter went down next week. Just one. Preston? Proctor? McQ? Holland? Placeholders, every one of them. Free MIGHT be that, but he’s in year three and is not pushing Flo.
The Cowboys scouts have a saying about their linemen: “we do not draft players to be backups”. They expect their prospects to show promise and either have starting spots or to challenge the starters by year two or three at the latest. Every one of their backups fails this test.
This team needs an OT, a C and maybe a G if Brewster doesn’t rehab his shoulder.
It could also use a FS. Ball is a backup. Mike Hamlin is a SS, as is Sensabaugh.
Spears, Hatcher and Bowen are also headed for FA. A DE or NT or both will be needed.
Sensebaugh can play FS, he did at Jacksonville.
And I don’t think we’ll let all three of those DE’s get to FA.
Moreover, when I say major I mean we have no holes at any of the starting positions. Looking at the depth chart. There really aren’t any holes, besides maybe DE.
If you look at other teams depth charts they are littered with holes that must be filled with new starters. We don’t have that. Yes we have depth needs, but not we are not desperate to fill holes with starters.
Exactly how I'd order them
Ol
OL
Ol
And some DL and DB on the side.
What we don’t know is who they’ll resign (Let Spears go, resign Bowen as a cheaper starter?),
who they’ll sign from other teams, and
what the NFLPA agreement / Cap situaion will be.
by Realist Larry on Nov 13, 2009 11:57 PM CST up reply actions
That sounds perfect.
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
by Aaron Novinger on Nov 14, 2009 9:33 AM CST up reply actions
And with those priorities in mind,
starting LT’s are generally taken in the first round. Starting centers are generally taken in 2nd/maybe 3rd rounds. There is much greater range for finding a guard.
The problem (I hope) is that we will be picking so low in the 1st round that Jerry’s going to have to wheel and deal a bit to get into position to take a top LT prospect.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
So negative on the Guard?
I think Preston and Holland are great, young depth with experience. In the exact mold as Kosier when we got him from Detroit. Just because Kosier is better, doesn’t make them scrubs.
But with Proctor being the current swing guy, you may have an argument. I’d like a little inside skinny from Houck before I make judgement. And GM Jerry’s public statements don’t give me a lot of confidence either.
But OT is a must. I’d agree on Center (personally think we could upgrade over Gurode).
Safety was going to be my secret pick. It’s a really nice draft class and some talent will be there in the mid rounds at Safety.
All your FAs are Restricted, unless a new CBA is signed. I don’t think we’ll have a single FA of significance hit the market next year.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
You defend Rat but disparage Gurode
Gurode is one of the top centers in the league, I don’t think you’re going to “upgrade” that position. However I hope they can find a young guy to backup center and guard and displace Proctor.
You can't stop Patrick Crayton, you can only hope to contain him.
by APerfectStar on Nov 14, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
I'd disagree that Gurode is a top center
It’s not that he’s ineffective, but there are two primary shortcomings:
- Shotgun snaps
- Calling line adjustments
And it’s not like we weren’t looking, desiring Max Unger in the draft and then picking up Preston.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
I disagree
Gurode is a top center, he has had some shotgun issues, but none this season, and I would like to see proof of the line call argument. I’ve seen that argued before, but no one ever links to any type of proof. Even if it is true, I can overlook it.
You can't stop Patrick Crayton, you can only hope to contain him.
by APerfectStar on Nov 15, 2009 7:13 PM CST up reply actions
I would have no problem with Holland starting at LG...he has been a starter in this league and when he has played has done well
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
he is constantly out of shape and wears down
I would not want starting for an extended period of time
says who?...he was solid last year before his injury
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
which brings me to another point which will make scouting next year really easy
what did they miss last year?
They were looking at FS and didn’t get one. They LOVED Louis Delmas but he rose too high for their reach.
There were two or three DEs they were targeting in the late 2nd and 3rd who didn’t work out.
They liked the big time centers and we all know what happened with Max Unger, who they would have grabbed with both hands if had gotten to them at 51.
Those needs have not gone anywhere.
Free has had his extra year. Would you start him for the next 5 years and forget the LT spot? Not me. Add OT to the mix
I'm not sure about Bowen....
……but I believe, that because of the rules surrounding the uncapped year, both Spears and Hatcher will be Restricted Free Agents. Not that this changes your argument just saying.
I don't think safety is a need. Mike Hamlin and Alan Ball have shown good things
And eventhough Mike Hamlin was a fifth rounder, he has the ability to be a legit starter. He was the man at Clemson, not some project that you would expect from a 5th rounder.
Center is a depth need. One that I really like is Reggie Stephens, who is 330 lbs and can play. You need big interior lineman like him to neurtralize all the big NT’s popping up in the NFL.
I don’t know what to think of Free only our scouts know, but Flo has one or two years left in the tank. Anyhow I would like to draft someone to compete with him.
I also have high hopes for Hamlin
But to be fair, we’ve seen nothing of him in a Cowboys uniform, so it’s tough to predict how he’ll turn out.
Why did he slip to the 5th?
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by accidental innuendo on Nov 14, 2009 6:45 AM CST up reply actions
In TC before the injuries I think he had 3 days in a row w/ a pick
The thing is he is still buried on the depth chart so hopefully we don’t see him
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by nicholas.rodriguez on Nov 19, 2009 9:36 PM CST up reply actions
Then why did we draft Free then if we are not planning on starting him at some point?
With that logic we might as well not draft any OL, espeically in the higher rounds because they will be nothing more than depth players with no potential to start.
Well, If Sensabaugh keeps playing the way he is, he will be rewarded with a new contract which ends the search for a safety in the draft. Scratch that off the list…..
Another fact is Flozells contract is over 9 mil so dont count on him going anywhere. To get a stud LT we need to be picking in the top 10 and by the way its looking that’s not happening. I have no problem drafting OL for depth, but our luck is signing FA’s to start, not drafting them. 3 out of our 5 starters on the OL are FA’s….
DE, NT, ILB, WR will be targeted in the draft next year you can count on that.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Even if Sensabaugh is resigned
If a highly projected safety falls to you in the draft, you still take him. A great safety can make up for quite a few problems on the defensive side — it would be foolhardy to let one slip.
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by accidental innuendo on Nov 14, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
disagree.....Jerry is not spending high dollar on a safety ever again....
With Hamlin’s contract and what Sensabaugh will command you cant tie up any more big money contracts on one position…We have Michael Hamlim, who they like alot….There will be no need to draft a safety high in the draft. Would just be a waste of a pick
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
You can use that same line of reasoning to explain
The reason we will not see a WR taken in the first round next year.
Right now we are just spit balling ideas. I don’t think you can definitively state that FS is out of the question.
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by APerfectStar on Nov 15, 2009 7:16 PM CST up reply actions
If Jerry doesn't spend for a stupid reason like that...
Then he isn’t Jerry Jones… pfft If a top rated safety like Mays falls to us, he will take him up w/out thinking
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by nicholas.rodriguez on Nov 19, 2009 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
We Will Regret Not Drafting a Center Last Year
Considering there were three good ones available, the Boys should have figured out a way to move up to the bottom of round one to snag one of these guys. I guess this was part of the hang over from the Roy trade . . . maybe we can fing one in free agency in the near future.
To clarify when I say major needs I mean need to fill holes with starters
obviously there are depth needs.
Dream first three rounds....
Round 1 = OT Ciron Black, LSU
Round 2 = WR Jacoby Ford, Clemson
Round 3 = DE Jared Odrick, Penn State
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
The Dallas Cowboys don't draft WRs
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Huh?
Why? As of now i see no reason to draft a wr. Austin and Roy are fine, Crayton is competent, Hurd has been good depth and if we lose him Ogletree is there.
There looks to be literally NO reason to draft a wr unless Austin flames out or something.
I disagree...
I have no problem with Dallas drafting a WR that can come in and be a slot receiver, but more importantly one that can come in and be a dependable, solid KR and PR. I am solidly on the Jacoby Ford bandwagon in this respect.
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by Cowboyfan729 on Nov 14, 2009 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
Hurd and Crayton are out the door.....especially Hurd...
Crayton is nothing more than a #4 WR at this point and a PR….we can get younger and more talented at the position by unloading him…
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
you have to remember Hurd, Austin are on one year deals....Crayton will be 31 next year...
I have no doubt in my mind Austin will get a new contract, but Hurd is gone and maybe Crayton after the season…I would draft a WR to compete with Oglretree to be the #3 next year. Either way we would have two young WRs at the #3 and #4 that could grow with this offense for years….actually, three if you include Austin…..we still need a dangerous slot WR. Im not saying 1st round, but we maybe in the 2nd or 3rd rounds.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
I think he will and he deserves it.
That leaves RW and Austin under long term contracts…Hurd, Ogletree are on one year tenders and Crayton is getting old…I would love to see Ogletree as the #3 WR next year and be the PR like Crayton does…He would bring more youth and speed to the positon. Draft a WR to be the #4. Even if Crayton is around next year I don’t think he will be able to hold off Ogletree next training camp…Crayton maybe nothing more than a PR and the #4 on this team next year.
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To echo Terry and Raf
OL is by far our most serious need, its not close. These guys will all be at least 32 next year. While I’m not in the byedawk boat of “cowboys are screwed right now because they have OL that will be too old in 2-3 years”, we absolutely need to draft at least 2, probably high picks as well. Or else we’re looking at sacrificing a couple of the prime years of our offensive guys developing OL.
I’m still not sure what to make of free, but he is the only backup who may be worth ANYTHING, and you probably don’ want a solid backup manning the LT position.
We need to draft guys this year. At the very least we need a guard cause I don’t think we can rely on Kosier and Davis’ health as they age. And of course we need an LT too.
Otherwise…I kinda think lb is a pretty big need. Broking can’t have more than 1 year left and it doesn’t sound like jason williams projects as a starter.
ANother reason this could be important: under the no salary cap rules, the top 8 teams ( I believe) can’t spend more money than they release, and we very well could be in that realm – we are gonna need to draft these guys, we won’t be able to go out and sign top flight linebackers.
These guys will all be at least 32 next year. While I’m not in the byedawk boat of "cowboys are screwed right now because they have OL that will be too old in 2-3 years", we absolutely need to draft at least 2, probably high picks as well.
Haha, yes you are!!! Yay!!! My message is finally getting across!
We won't have a "long term solution" at LT until we draft one high
High like Flozel was. I’m starting to believe that largely, LTs are not developed but come in to the league with high expectations.
the large majority were
but there are a couple exceptions.
The problem is that top flight LTs generally go really high, not in our range. We may be able to find one in the second round, but it really seems like the locks go in the top 10
Coming out of the off-season next year
with either a franchise left tackle or a play making safety would be awesome.
+1
Ideal
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by accidental innuendo on Nov 14, 2009 6:46 AM CST up reply actions
Yes, please
I’ll take one of each.
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Bottom of the 1st round 2010 early thoughts
Jason Fox OT, Miami U
Nate Allen FS, So FL
Arthur Jones DT, Syracuse
You can't stop Patrick Crayton, you can only hope to contain him.
If Sensabaugh gets a new contract forget about safety
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SB's MockingtheDraft has a nice scouting report on Jones.
http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2009/11/13/1156280/scouts-notebook-syracuse-defensive
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by Aaron Novinger on Nov 14, 2009 9:39 AM CST up reply actions
oooooo Georgia tech and DUKE are on
Vince Oghobasse (sp?) is suppose to be an athletic freak at DT (6’5 305). I’ve always wanted to see him play. He would make a great 3-4 DE
watching Baylor Texas game also
Baylor’s FS Jordan Lake looks good. Good tackler. Would be a nice pick in the late rounds.
Dexter McCluster looks like a good player
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by accidental innuendo on Nov 14, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
Definitely undersized
But he looks like he’s got moves in the open field. Late round pick for sure, but I think he could be a hidden gem if developed correctly.
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by accidental innuendo on Nov 14, 2009 8:01 PM CST up reply actions
right now I wouldn't draft him
He would have to put on ten pounds before the combine AND still run the 40 in the 4.3’s and a great short shuttle.
Just saying man
The kid looked like he belonged on a football field.
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by accidental innuendo on Nov 14, 2009 10:26 PM CST up reply actions
Keep the name Earl Thomas in your memory
Redshirt sophomore safety for Texas, already has 6 picks, 2 of them pick-6’s… He may or may not enter the draft but he’s been great for the Longhorns and he’s obviously a ballhawk.
I love that kid, he makes plays when they need to be made...
Against Colorado, not a powerhouse by any means, when Colorado was about to score, he picks off the pass and takes it all the way back, I don’t remember the last time I’ve seen a Cowboys intercept a pass from the Redzone and take it back all the way
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by nicholas.rodriguez on Nov 19, 2009 9:40 PM CST up reply actions
I should've voted receiver just to be an a-hole.
Of course, the answer is obviously left tackle. In the absence of a quality left tackle, depth along both lines needs to be addressed. You can never have enough depth in the secondary; especially in today’s NFL where seven guys are on pace to pass for 30 TD’s.
As for receiver, let’s see what Roy does the rest of the way but it would be nice to pick one prior to the 4th round one of these years.
thats not a bad point about cb
but I’d prefer we apply that logic to OLBs – we really seriously need more depth in our pass rushing
True but I hate to even bring up OLBs....
Because that would be an admission of sorts that Almost Spencer is a bust.; (not to mention Barbie although he was drafted as Parcells’ idea of a 3-4 OLB.) Besides I know he’s got a long ways to go before he’s well-rounded enough to be starter material but you have to be impressed by what Victor Butler has shown as a situational pass rusher so far.
I basically agree though. If a quality O or D-linemen isn’t there early selecting the best player available at OLB or secondary (corner or safety) would be a good move.
I'm looking more for depth
I don’t think spencer is a bust, but you can never have enough pass rushing depth in a defense like this one.
The Giants have gone by this strategy for a while now and I think its a good one.
Hard to gauge the OLB's
Butler looks like something
The Williams kid from TTech had good reviews before he went on IR
CuJo supposedly has some pass rush ability, yet to be seen
I think they’ll draft one somewhere, especially if someone they like falls in their lap, but I’m not sure it’s a priority.
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by APerfectStar on Nov 14, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
thats a good point
its not #1 or 2 priority, but I think you take a risk thinking that late round rookies will provide the pass rushing depth you need. We have quality starters but if one of those guys goes down we’re screwed.
I'm not saying you're wrong at all.
But so far:
James Harrison (undrafted): 8 sacks, 4 forced fumbles
Lamarr Woodley (2nd-rounder): 2 sacks, 0 FF
Further research is probably needed but who knows where the next great pass rusher will spring up from? If I recall, Butler had a ridiculous amount of forced fumbles during his collegiate career.
Sleeper for the Cowboys
Could be WR Mike Williams from Syracuse who just quit the team. From what I hear he was extremely talented and this episode could hurt his stock. I think he would be a good day 2 pick.
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yeah he might have been a second or third round pick
but I would be extremely leery of him. I would want to know more about why he decided to quit his team during the football season.
I agree, I would make sure my scouts were confident that he wouldn't be a locker room headache
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