Cowboys vs. Redskins: A Chat With Hogs Haven
by Dave Halprin on Nov 19, 2009 11:00 PM CST
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This week, I got together for a little instant message chat with KevinE over at Hogs Haven to discuss the upcoming game against the Redskins. Since it was an IM conversation, I left the spellings and errors in the text so you can read it just how how it went down.
Blogging The Boys: So what's the story with Jim Zorn and Vinny Cerrato? Do you guys think Zorn will survive past this year?
Hogs Haven: if you had asked me last week I'd say Zorn had 0% chance, but there aren't any big names out there. And the way they stripped the play-calling from Zorn...it was a real turn-off for coaches (Holmgren publically stated his displeasure of the move)
As for Cerrato...no one knows. It certainly would win some popularity points for Snyder if he canned him. I think it depends on Cerrato's 3 2nd round picks from last year (THomas, Kelly, Davis)...if they show a lot of production the rest of the year, it'll prob be enough to save his job. Shanahan rejected Snyder's offer to come here as well...as did Cowher. So...its anyone's guess.
More after the jump...
BTB: What's the main problem on offense. Jason Campbell? The running game, the o-line? Why are they having so many problems scoring?
HH: Oline is a huge problem. They drafted ZERO this year after losing Chris Samuels & Randy Thomas to season-ending injuries last year. There's no depth there.
Portis certainly doesn't have that boost like he used to, which is why people are happy Betts is getting the starts. Play-calling was poor at times the first half the season too...the Skins have no problem moving the ball, and then Zorn would call some obscure plays on 3rd and goal...like a Portis half-back pass. Execution has also been another back-breaker...lots of dropped balls and missed blocks...but I'd say the lion's share w/o doubt is the Oline...Skins (before bringing in Levi Jones) had THREE undrafted free agents starting
BTB: What happened last week? Why did things get better?
HH: they ran the ball very effectively...Skins have never been able to do that all year
Joe Bugel tore the Oline a new ass at halftime vs the Falcons and ever since then they've been performing...creating holes and doing decent pass block
BTB: Is Betts a better fit for the offense right now, or would Portis have probably done just as well with the o-line playing better?
HH: That's been the debate all week...this was Levi Jones' 1st game at LT and he did well. But I really think Betts is a better fit. He runs hard and hits the hole. CP hit that 2000 rushing attempts plateau and it's showing. He's still a great RB tho and is invaluable in pass blocking
BTB: Things have been better on defense, you guys do pretty well in keeping the scoring down. What's been the successful components of the defense?
HH: Haynesworth. His force upfront has allowed Andre Carter and Brian Orakpo to have 1-1 coverage and they are reeking havoc in backfields. It also frees up London Fletcher on rushing plays. skins are on pace to have two 10-sack players...first time in 9 years and its been sorely missed in DC (they're gonna blow way past 10...each already have 7) (carter 8.0, Orakpo 7.0 to be exact)
BTB: So the pass rush has fueled the defensive success? How has the secondary played?
HH: depends...they're tackling has been atrocious. Big talk this week is Carlos Rogers getting benched last week after letting BMarshall blow by him on a double move
same move he got burned on by DeSean Jackson. they haven't announced if he's startnig or not, but they think he well. We lost our SS, Chris Horton, for the year which really hurts us. Reed Doughty is playing OK but has made some mistakes as well. It's upsetting Laron Landry, our FS, has 0 INTs.
BTB: Sounds like the big battle will be between the Redskins pass rush vs. the Cowboys pass protection. Do you expect them to target new RT Marc Colombo?
HH: definitely. there's not much targeting to do tho...Hayensworth demands all the attention. I hope Blache brings the corner blitzes which Romo seemed to have trouble with last week vs GB
BTB: what are your expectations for the game? Prediction?
HH: Skins seem to disappoint at all the wrong times, so call me delusional but I think the Skins can win this. The vets made it known to the young guys what this game means. WAS 26 DAL 24. If it wasn't for the loss of Hamlin and Columbo, I'd have picked DAL
BTB: Forgot to ask, where are you on the Jason Campbell issue?
HH: It's so tough given how bad this Oline is...he is getting sacked on 3-foot drops at some points. INEXCUSABLE. However, he's on pace to have back-to-back 3,000 yard seasons, which only 3 other legendary Redskins QBs have done in our franchise
Sentiment here is build up the Oline via the draft the next 2 years...keeping Campbell, then draft a stud QB once we get a line in here to protect him
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great read
Game makes me more and more nervous. They can pressure from inside and out.
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
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by Wmillion on Nov 19, 2009 11:08 PM CST via mobile reply actions
yeah i know
i thrount denver wouild beat them easy but they did not but we did take out hayworth for u guys
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
Their D-line is impressive, to say the least
Our O-linemen better step it up this week, or no telling how this game turns out. I do think Miles Austin will have a good game, especially if their secondary can’t tackle and bites on double moves.
Amen brother
here’s hoping the final redskin implosion happens in dallas
by mutombo4life on Nov 20, 2009 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
Looked over at their site and...
Dave gave a reciprocal interview. Dave was very respectful and didn’t fall for it when their interviewer tried to incite him with some snide comments. The fans called him a wuss for that.
Their fans are absolutely enfuriated that the hate they have for us is not reciprocated. I love it.
by JoeWho on Nov 20, 2009 4:29 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Yeah, a whole fan post dedicated to "Cowboy hate week"
Sad really
The Knights season may have just ended, but the Cowboys year is just begining!
by aussie_cowboy on Nov 20, 2009 4:41 AM CST up reply actions
So Cowboy Hate Week is sad, but calling them the Foreskins is discussing football?
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
Yeah, I'll pay that
The Knights season may have just ended, but the Cowboys year is just begining!
by aussie_cowboy on Nov 20, 2009 6:20 AM CST up reply actions
of course not
I was pointing out that Aussie Cowboy had an issue with “Cowboys Hate Week” while referring to the team from Washington as the “Foreskins”
I do not see much difference there. Frankly, if anything, Cowboys Hate Week is less juvenile than Foreskins, but that could just be me.
Pot meets kettls, sop to speak
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
Well that actually wasnt me
The Knights season may have just ended, but the Cowboys year is just begining!
by aussie_cowboy on Nov 21, 2009 1:36 AM CST up reply actions
you are right, my apologies
damn nested comments make it impossible for my simple mind to follow
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
I've never seen anything resembling any class over there at HH.
And if any of you become a member, shame on you because this is part of their stipulation:
By clicking "I agree.." you acknowledge the Cowgirls are terrible.
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
by Aaron Novinger on Nov 20, 2009 7:25 AM CST up reply actions
The Cowgirls might be bad
but the Cowboys are awesome and that’s all I care about…
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Nov 20, 2009 8:15 AM CST up reply actions
I can
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Nov 20, 2009 6:43 PM CST up reply actions
I can't believe I missed that....
And to think I thought I was successfully witty.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Nov 20, 2009 6:44 PM CST up reply actions
I predict a tough game
How’s that for going out on a limb??
Division game, the Skins always play Dallas tough and they have a solid defense. Hopefully Garrett and Houck will have solved the protection issues by this Sunday…
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
Agree Dunk........
seen too many tough games between the two to simply write them off (Redskins).
okay, I'm calling you delusional
I can’t see the Cowboys losing back to back games, especially to an inferior team at home, rivalry or no rivalry.
In Romo we Trust
I think he's recycling the same 26-24 score from yesteryear.
Creative.
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
by Aaron Novinger on Nov 20, 2009 7:43 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, delusional
Like losing to Detroit, Rams, Packersor maybe delusional like losing a game 44-6 with the playoffs on the line. Personally my favorite delusion is believe the Skins could score 2 TDs in the waning minutes of the game after having done squat the first 56 minutes of the game.
It has happened before and it will happen again, hopefully not again this year.
KICK ASS every day!!!
by squidlo97 on Nov 20, 2009 7:54 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
This team is different than those Cowboys teams
and as a Cowboys fan it’s really sad you can’t see that.
In Romo we Trust
While I agree this team is different than past teams
they still haven’t proven anything on a large scale so skepticism is still warranted.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Nov 20, 2009 8:17 AM CST up reply actions
I think they are different too but I have a fast and hard rule
Divisional opponents are always tough regardless of records. We were 1-15 and our win came against them. It will be another East slugfest.
KICK ASS every day!!!
by squidlo97 on Nov 20, 2009 9:01 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
You are the delusional one
There’s a very distinct pattern of behavior. The Cowboys have found outrageous ways to self destruct literally every year since the late 1990’s. Every example he gave is real. Your opinion is based on what you hope and wish is true. It’s sad really. Being a fan doesn’t mean you have to suspend all intellect.
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 20, 2009 9:02 AM CST up reply actions
I think it's really sad
there are fans that don’t have faith in their teams regardless of past history.
In Romo we Trust
lol
it’s especially more sad that no matter what the Redskins record is, they will talk trash nonstop but some Dallas fans are just waiting till our team collapses, despite being in first place of the division.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
It's called reality
Until the behavior has changed. If it makes you happy to live in a child like world, that’s fine. You are the one who called someone else delusional.
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 20, 2009 9:14 AM CST up reply actions
Who said the behavior hasn't changed?
I’d say cutting Owens, Tank, and the Pac were all steps in the right direction.. along with bringing in character guys like Brooking.
I don’t think you’re waiting for behavior to change, you’re waiting for results to change, which I guess is warrented, but it’s also warrented to think this team has a different chemistry than teams of the past (namely 2007, 2008).
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
I agree some things have changed
And I applaud the changes. Higher character guys who are team oriented is a huge plus and will pay dividends. Tony Romo has also changed his careless behavior. That’s obviously very positive too.
Coming out flat in games and being too undisciplined isn’t fixed yet. How many consecutive years have the Cowboys been close to or worst in the league in penalties?
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 20, 2009 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
yea the penalties are frustrating
we’ve had a couple decent games this year in those regards but have no consistancy. But teams come out flat sometimes, even the Saints, Colts, Vikings etc have come out flat. If the Rams weren’t so worthless they would have beat the Saints this week. I think as long as they learn from their mistakes and are still improving heading to the playoffs then things will turn out differently come holliday season and beyond.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
It's not reality
Reality is living in present, not the past.
And I called him delusional because he asked to be called delusional, so I was merely obliging.
If you actually read the Q & A, you would have saw that.
In Romo we Trust
Thats right
Fight amongst yourselves! Ahh, its just like the real Cowboys, how refreshing…
Haha, just kidding guys. You gotta admit, the rivalry stuff is fun, even if we Skins fans do go a little overboard.
Yeah the fans are testy on both sides..
shows how important it really is.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
"heheh he said testy." - Peter Griffin
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
Faith
Using St. Paul’s definition of faith (belief in something when there is no reason to do so), you have a point. Cowboys’ fans have no reason to not expect a december collapse, based on the evidence of the past few seasons, so believing that the Cowboys will perform well in December requires an act of faith.
Some of us prefer to avoid a Panglossian view of this team, that this is best of all possible worlds, so we want this team to prove something by winning late season games when the stakes are high, or even, crazy as this sounds, win a frigging playoff game for the first time since Monica Lewinsky was Bill Clinton’s personal plaything.
Please note that we all want the Cowboys to win games in December, and win playoff games, and make us all happy. We just want to see it happen, before we just make blanket statements that it will happen, and dismiss those who question it.
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
I never said it would happen
I said I believe it would happen, and I never dismissed anyone. This thread started with the Redskins blogger asking to be called delusional for thinking they will win, not whether the Cowboys will fail in December or January.
It’s November, not December so actually there is every reason to believe the Cowboys will win this game even if you want to go by past history.
In Romo we Trust
Yea...
Romo is 15-2 in November…although one of those losses was against the Skins.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Nov 20, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
Doesn't mean you don't think that your team will win......
but to say there’s no way you can lose and yadda yadda yadda is what I call overlooking your competition. That my friend is what will get you beat when you over-look your opponent. It’s been proven numerous times like say the year we went 1-15. Who did we beat that year? The Redskins (who happened to be at their prime btw.)
Hey we're fans...
we can overlook whoever we want as long as the players don’t. I used to make comments about how we shouldn’t look ahead, but who cares? We don’t affect play, and so we can have every playoff contender’s remaining schedule favorited so we can review it everyday ( ok I don’t have them favorited, but I just realized how great of an idea that is. consider it done).
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
Cowboys need
laser beam focus and high energy to win this one. Skins will be amped up as they always are for the Pokes. Our guys need to match the intensity every minute of the game.
If we come out flat, we are sunk.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
I agree...
The Cowboys need to come out strong from the get-go and make sure the skins understand that they don’t have a chance. Basically, they have to do the opposite of the Packers game. They let the Pack gain confidence and momentum when the Pack shouldn’t have been able to be on the same field. The Boys need to make a statement early and take the skins out of the game. After that, let the back-ups clean up the mess.
I disagree...
they need tractor beam focus, if you catch my drift.
(note: the preceeding was a reference to Dumb and Dumber, just in case you forgot)
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
Props to Grizz....
For not being suckered in at HH. I went and read the Q & A over there and it just reaffirms what I already knew.
That this blog is head and shoulders above others in the class department.
Expect a tough game Sunday but also expect a win….
Anomoly............Finally here.........
difference between confidence and arrogance
what doesnt make sense is why the skins fans have both lol
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
***there is a difference***
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
Hey Guys...
I should just mention that David Halprin and I are friends. I would never conduct an interview like this with someone I did not know. David and I instant message each other often, so amongst my serious questions, I was trying to have some fun with this.
I know the rivalry is no longer as important in Big D as it is in Washington, but as I stated before, I knew the HH readers would enjoy it. Cheers.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Nov 20, 2009 9:31 AM CST up reply actions
I get that but..
I think it’s hard for us Cowboy fans to let it go without saying anything, for one, because that just doesn’t happen on this site.. also I think a problem is that if you read comments, Cowboy fans constantly argue with each other, unlike your site where it seemed like a pretty strong coalition against the world.
HOWEVER, now that I’ve had a few minutes to think about it.. I think it was pretty funny lol so sorry for the few comments I left on your page.. I lost my head there for a minute.. It just felt so out of place since Dave didn’t take the bait, almost like he was offended by the questions I guess. Could have been some healthy trash talk as I’m sure we could all come up with a few things to say about each other.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
I had the same perception
that Dave was offended by the ribbing. I couldn’t understand why you guys were getting upset by the trash talk. I mean, we know how terrible our team is this year, but we still have some fun with it. Just think of what that means when we beat you in JerryWorld, how terrible that must make you…
And we Skins fans definitely fight amongst ourselves. Nothing makes me angrier than when some idiot screams that Campbell should be benched.
haha Kinda like Terry
when someone says anything bad about Romo.
Step back from the ledge Terry. I wasnt saying anything bad about Romo.
The conversation did have a feeling of familiarity to it
I always answer the most hated rival as the Iggles, but after reading some of the post over there on HH. The ’skins took the lead again in my book. I thought comments like those were reserved for fans of the feathers. Oh well…
Yeah it's gettin me a lot more pumped for the game now
LETS GET THIS THING GOING!!!!!!
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
Let's test you to see how good a friend you are, Kevin
Does he share his blog groupies with you????
That’s the truest test. Aaron is still waiting for his first intro…
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
He hasn't yet!
But I’m not a fan of the plus-size girls, so it probably works out for me.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Nov 20, 2009 7:39 PM CST up reply actions
Don't worry...
J. Simpson is out of the picture.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
I don't know what to make of it
Grizz has moved into another stratosphere and hardly interacts with us here. But I’m convinced he’s got the blog groupies thing going on and he’s keeping them from his buds. Call him out when you get a chance. Cub Reporter Aaron is missing out big time. All we want are the stories. Unless your “plus-size” theory is correct, and then we’ll just let that be his little secret…
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
Reading some of the stories over there
Even the main post-guys are calling the Cowboys the “Cowgirls.”…… you stay classy DC.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
Does "Cowgirls" really bother you?
Its such an easy leap from ‘Cowboys’ it just happens subconsciously for us. I’d say ‘Foreskins’ is far and away less classy.
But the whole classiness argument is silly. I’ve just been looking to have a good conversation about the game this week, you guys can’t get scared off by a little playful ribbing.
I find the ribbing funny
I hate the skins, but I still find the conversation funny when HH talks trash – it’s not like we’re carpet-bombing each other’s neighborhoods here… “Cowgirls” is acceptable as long as we can call you “Deadskins”, considering that about sums up your season…
Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain. Let your opponent graze your skin and you smash into his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life. Do not be concerned with escaping safely - lay your life before him. - Bruce Lee
Boo...
I never have or will say Foreskins.. I think it’s ridiculous.. anyway.. it doesn’t bother me but when it shows up in a breakdown of a game that is supposed to be interpreting stats and that kind of thing, it’s a bit unprofessional
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
You just said it,
and it’s a blog man. This isn’t the New York Times.
Hey, is there a game this weekend or are we still going back and forth about who’s more classy?
lol thats my point...
I don’t want to be going back and forth like this.. I’d like some new info or insight on the game… but seeing as how it’s Friday I’m sure we will get no new insight except possible injury updates.. sigh.. Is it Sunday yet?
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
One of my bestest friends is a 'Skins fan.
I hate him this week.
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
by Aaron Novinger on Nov 20, 2009 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
That's common and always fun
My longtime friend and business partner is a die-hard Giants fan – there’s tons of trash-talking when we play each other, but afterwards, back to business.
Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain. Let your opponent graze your skin and you smash into his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life. Do not be concerned with escaping safely - lay your life before him. - Bruce Lee
Woah
OK maybe Skins fans are delusional after all….
Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain. Let your opponent graze your skin and you smash into his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life. Do not be concerned with escaping safely - lay your life before him. - Bruce Lee
lol
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
by Aaron Novinger on Nov 20, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
we should wait to get the facts
if it was a poodle or chihuahua (sp.) then it was probably necessary
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
The Cowgirls reference is fresh in everyone's mind...
Since Mike Sellers, our Full Back, uses the term…
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/11/mike_sellers_drops_a_cowgirls.html
by Kevin Ewoldt on Nov 20, 2009 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I got curious and went and looked. The interviewer was uncool and
so are some of the comments. Have to wonder why they couldn’t keep it civil.
My favorite comment was...
a guy who said he hated the Cowboys and hated anyone that likes the Cowboys.. then tried to say Dave’s answers were “stupid and childish” lol alllllllright sir
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
Dude,
the interviewer and interviewee are friends, it was just some friendly jabs. I don’t understand what happened to people’s sense of humor.
Dude, I have a great sense of humor. When something's funny. Didn't
come off like playful ribbing to me, but then, no one let me in on the friendship between these two guys, and I wasn’t there to catch the nudge-nudge, wink-wink supposedly going on.
yeah...
seemed to me like he was just trying to bait him into saying something that their fans could jump all over. Low blow if you ask me.. Would have looked more natural had it been more back and forth. I’m sure the true transcript of the entire convo would shed more light, probably just some detailed mouse work.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
what a joke hogs haven is
Very unprofessional. I love reading their fans comments. I always hear about Dallas having bandwagon fans. Who jumps on the bandwagon when they havent been in the super bowl in 15 years?
"Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk"
by sprewelllatrell on Nov 20, 2009 9:26 AM CST reply actions
Or won a playoff game in almost as long. I'd say the Cowboys fans are as
dedicated as any in the league.
And just to continue from my previous comment above...
I ask that you don’t judge Hogs Haven based on that post alone. I certainly should have mentioned in my Q&A post that Grizz and I are friends that IM quite often. If you look at the other posts related to the game this Sunday, the comments are all classy and don’t spiral out of control like the fore-mentioned post did.
In either case, you’d think this was a playoff game.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Nov 20, 2009 9:44 AM CST up reply actions
A Cowboy fan and a Redskin fan are friends?
What is the world coming to???
by the way.. I guess we’ll let the constant “cowgirl” references go…
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
Definitely changed things a bit.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
Come to DC and you’ll find plenty of bandwagon Dallas fans (leftover from the 80’s/90’s).
All i’ve read in this post is how unprofessional or how unclassy Hogs Haven is, why can’t you all talk about football?
If they are still fans, they are no longer bandwagon fans.
Bandwagon fons are the ones who will pull their sweatshirts out of the attic after Dallas wins the Super Bowl this year. If those people have been fans since the 80s, they are not any bandwagon
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
Seanrude...
“Bandwagon fons are the ones who will pull their sweatshirts out of the attic after Dallas wins the Super Bowl this year.” I live in PA and what you just described could also be referred to as “Steeler Nation.”
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
Wow, bandwagon fans who've been bandwagon fans for 15-20 years? You and
I must have different definitions.
Becoming a fan of a team while they are winning super bowls and going to the playoffs is a bandwagon. Going into hybernation while you all have been losing, then coming out when you’re first in the division is bandwagon.
When Dallas is doing good, I see Dallas fans, when they aren’t I don’t hear a peep about them. When asked why they like Dallas (people that grew up in DC), they usually say they grew up during the Smith/Aikman era.
I always wore my cowboys gear when I lived in Arlington, actually wherever I lived, and I wore out whether the Cowboys were first or last or someplace in between
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
I live in central Texas where the fanbase is hardcore, so I can't speak
to what happens elsewhere, but I don’t for a second believe that the Cowboys have any fewer loyal fans than any other team. I think they have more and, yes, they also attract people outside the hardcore because they have the glamor factor. Personally, I have no problem with that if it keeps Jerry Jones rich enough to pay his players well.
Awww yeah I see a boys skins flame war smoldering, will the flames rise up?
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
It's good
that the Cowboys have a few guys (Sansy, Brooking) that weren’t around for any of the Beast rivalries.. Helps bring a level head in games like this.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
It's incredible how similar The Redskins' and Cowboys' offensive line situations are this year... but with different results.
The Redskins’ insanely old OL predictably had some major injuries and the lack of depth has basically ruined their season. The Cowboys, meanwhile, unpredictably have been extremely fortunate to avoid a bunch of injuries to their insanely old OL, their lack of depth has yet to be exposed, and they’re sitting at the top of the division at 6-3.
If the Cowboys continue to beat the odds and keep this group of 30-somethings healthy, they have as good a chance to win the division as anyone. If not, they’ll look a lot like how the Redskins look right now.
Doug Free
is only 25
Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain. Let your opponent graze your skin and you smash into his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life. Do not be concerned with escaping safely - lay your life before him. - Bruce Lee
whoops
i f’d that up – that was supposed to be a reply to Dawk’s comment about ALL of our line being old
Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain. Let your opponent graze your skin and you smash into his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life. Do not be concerned with escaping safely - lay your life before him. - Bruce Lee
Grizz, can I change my prediction?
Haynesworth likely is not going to play Sunday. Dammit.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/redskins/2009/nov/20/haynesworth-less-likely-for-dallas/
Frankly, I'm glad he's not playing
I’d rather one of their best players not play.
Greetings from the Humungus, the Ruler of the Wasteland, the Ayatollah of Rock and Roll-A. I laugh at your puny plans.
by Lord Humungus on Nov 20, 2009 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
Meh..
As long as we win I don’t really care, but it will be annoying to hear… “our best defensive player was out”
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
If he really can't go
its a huge blow. BUT, the DT position is far and away the deepest on our team. Kedric Gohlston could be a starter on many teams and my man Cornelius Griffin still brings it strong. Plus we can move Phillip Daniels inside and not skip a beat, and even Jeremy Jarmon can play tackle.
Still, I hope he plays.
Your secondary coach says differently.
Washington nose tackle Albert Haynesworth will play against the Dallas Cowboys, Redskins secondary coach Jerry Gray said Friday on The Michael Irvin Show on ESPN FM 103.3.
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
by Aaron Novinger on Nov 20, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
Nice, thanks for the info Cowboys fans.
I make it a habit of paying absolutely no heed to what gets written in our local sports pages. They’re all hacks.
Anyone who thinks the skins will roll over is dead wrong
They’re going to put up their best effort of the season, and if Dallas plays like they did last Sunday we’re in deep trouble.
Greetings from the Humungus, the Ruler of the Wasteland, the Ayatollah of Rock and Roll-A. I laugh at your puny plans.
Dallas - Green Bay
Everyone is reading way too much into the Dallas/GreenBay game. If you look at the history of every game they ever played, you will see that it is a VERY rare occurance that the visiting team ever wins on the others turf. Look how many times Brett and those very good Packers teams he had could not get past Dallas because every year, they played in Dallas. Same goes for the Cowboys, they lose in Green Bay. If you are an oddsmaker or betting person – tradition speaks volumes and the home field advantage is a very rich tradition when it comes to Dallas & Green Bay. If both teams go to the playoffs – it wont matter who has the better team, what will matter is who hosts the game.
Blessings, Carlton
www.carltonwardphoto.com
I read HH interview and
don’t see much different from the Eagles fan and Redskins fans. Both are jealousof the Cowboys being popular world wide and know they are inferior as cities and fans.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
They may be infeior teams and fans, but as cities I am not so sure about that
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
Not at all
I love the Cowboys, and my neices are all Dallas natives, but given the choice to spend a weekend in Dallas,, Philly or DC, Dallas would be third choice
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
history is the only thing those cities have over Dallas
and if that weekend you’re referring comes in January, I think you’ll change your mind on that comment.
I’ve been to all 3 multiple times as well as most major cities in the U.S and the only city I ever had more fun and better time than Dallas was Vegas for obvious reasons
In Romo we Trust
Being a history buff, that is a big factor for me
And I am also a beer snob, and both cities stomp all over Dallas in that regard.
Comparing Dallas to Vegas is not a plus in my book, as I’d rather have sulfuric acid poured into my ears than go to Vegas, but to each his own.
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
True
I lived in northern Virginia for a few years and it was beautiful. I lived in Dallas for 8 years after that, and while I love Texas and go back once a year, it simply doesn’t have the history or things to do (world-class Smithsonian and awesome parks) that D.C. does. I won’t comment on Philly, I am still trying to erase my trip there from my mind (except for Monk’s, amazing beer menu).
Now I live in Miami, and hands down, especially if you have a boat, it destroys D.C. and Dallas.
Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain. Let your opponent graze your skin and you smash into his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life. Do not be concerned with escaping safely - lay your life before him. - Bruce Lee
I live in the Texas hill country.
You can keep all the cities, but if I had to live in a city it would be in Texas.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
A city in Texas
Austin or DFW
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
re: Hill Country
Are you guys still having the water shortage problems of recent years?
Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain. Let your opponent graze your skin and you smash into his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life. Do not be concerned with escaping safely - lay your life before him. - Bruce Lee
Yes, but we have been getting more rain lately.
Too many people have found out about the hill country and are moving out here.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
Monk's is awesome
Actually, Philly is a pretty good city for beer overall
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
Return of Doomsday
The Dallas D will rule on Sunday. Look for Jenks to get a pick 6. I think Felix will be bottled up for the most part but a missed tackle in the 2nd quarter will result in a long run & score. I dont know how many sacks the D will get but Ware & Ratliff will be permanent fixtures in the Skins backfield. They submitted change of address cards so they can pick up their mail from Campbell on Sunday. The skins will battle hard but it wont be enough and Doomsday is going to make this one hurt.
Go Cowboys !!!
Blessings, Carlton
www.carltonwardphoto.com
Just saw a preview for Playbook on NFL network
that said they were going to show how the Redskins running game is going to have a big day against Dallas.. hmmm….
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
kiss of death
Those guys are always wrong just like Peter King. I think PK had 8 straight weeks of predicting the Skins game incorrectly.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Nov 20, 2009 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
I only read MMQB in order to prime the pump for the Kissing Suzy Kolber takedown of MMQB
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
Yeah but that just reminds me of the Fire Joe Morgan site that used the same format.
I miss FMJ, they were very good at kicking the shins of those sports writing hacks, they had enough for everyone as opposed to just focusing on peter peter pumpkin eater king.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
I am definitely in that group as well....
That site really just shows how much drivel Peter King puts out.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Nov 20, 2009 6:49 PM CST up reply actions
Home team crowd
should make a difference in this game.
Will it?
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
I wasn't confident last week and I aint confident this week
Even after a solid win, the real Cowboys are always just beneath the surface waiting to emerge, as we saw last week yet again. At least I’m enjoying the season. This whole ‘no expectations’ approach has really been quite pleasant.
Summarizing the Dallas Cowboys in two words; inconsistently amazing.
I'm not sure there is a "real Cowboys"
by that I mean that they are simply inconsistent, especially the O-line. it may be that certain players or schemes just give them more problems and they look inconsistent. But whatever it is, they are the engine that drives this team. The defense seems to be consistenly improving and ST has been solid after starting off spectacularly. If Houck can get the line to just play a little more error free, this bunch could achieve a lot. I think it’s the last piece of the puzzle.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
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