Roy Williams was a Good Trade

Austin is just as big and strong as RW so saying he’s not simply isn’t true at all.

BTW, Austin is much more explosive than RW, it’s not even close.

We don’t need a true #1 receiver in our offense, we just need guys to get open.

I’m seriously trying to figure out if this whole post is sarcastic?

Austin is light years more talented and more productive than Roy Williams ever was or will be.

And DeSean Jackson doesn’t meet your “physical specimen” requirements for a #1 WR, but you’d be hard pressed to find a guy that can beat you so many different ways. He has TDs from Special Teams, receiving and running, all from more than 50 yards. That’s not a #1 threat?

Was he not a legit number 1 a few years ago?

He’s 6’2, lacks top-notch speed, can’t make fluid cuts, has inconsistent hands, and apparently lacks the strength to get inside on a corner for a slant.

the trade was a bad one. However, I think you’re right that having him on the field is good for the Boys. Although he’s not getting catches, you have to account for him. he’s not worth what Jerry paid, but he’s still good for this team.

Terry’s comment made me go back and review Austin’s specs. I was surprised to see he is 6’3", 214 lbs. (Roy is 6’3" as well). So, I stand corrected in that Austin does have the big body. Even so, I think Roy looks more the part (tall and rangy with leaping ability), and I still maintain that our best line-up is WR1 = Roy, WR2 = Austin.

As for Desean Jackson— he isn’t a #1. He is a proto-typical stretch-the-field #2. That is why he usually lines up on McNabb’s left and it’s either Maclin or Curtis on the right.

Steve Smith is a bit of an exception, but note that he is always paired with a big body— Muhsin Muhammad. The WR1 vs. WR2 debate is a bit of red herring. Regardless of who is on what side, the point is you need both a big possession receiver (who can also block) and a deep threat on the field.

I’m not taking anything away from him. I could have written a post about how good Miles Austin plays, but that would be a little predictable.

I’m just saying don’t give up on Roy Williams. 1300 yards and 8 TDs in 2006. He is only 27 (two years older than Austin). He is a good guy to have on the roster and should be starting every game. He will be around for awhile and still has upside.

Yes, he has dropped some balls. But he will be a threat and he will score TDs this season. I promise.

No. Neither Hurd, Crayton , nor Ogletree should take his spot. If you want to line up Austin on the right because you think he is a better WR1, that is understandable. But give the coaches some credit. They are starting RW on the right side every game for a reason.

“Number 1 wide receiver” is a term only the fans & the media use.

A true number 1 receiver is determined by production and the trust built up by his quarterback. Anything else is just chatter. Right now based on production and targets, Miles is our number one receiver.

The title is earned, not drafted, traded or signed for.

I think we are talking about two different things. You are talking about some kind of honorary title whereas I am talking about who starts and where they line up.

I just want to win and to do that, I don’t know why we would go around changing what is working. I like that we rotate in receivers, get everyone involved, and let Romo throw to the open guy. I like Roy a lot and think his connection with Romo has tons of untapped potential, but he never is going to put up T.O. His role in this offense just isn’t the same. So honestly, there is no reason to be having all these conversations. The trade has happened and thinking about what could have happened differently is irrelevant if the Cowboys keep winning (since that ultimately justifies the direction of the franchise).

to fit your prototype?

Taoboy, I just have to pick on one assertion you make… the play against Denver where Roy got his ribs hurt, it wasn’t a bad pass by Romo hanging Roy out to dry. Roy was pushed off his route by Bailey which should have been illegal contact because it was well past 5 yards, and it was adjusting to that push which caused Roy to be in a bad position. If he hadn’t been pushed, the pass probably would have been on target.

Just want to clarify— when I say #1 WR I don’t mean the “best” WR on the team. I mean the guy who starts and lines up in the WR1 position. Many comments seem to have misinterpreted my assertion. I am not saying that RW is better than Miles Austin. That is not what I am saying. Trust me, I have been watching the games.

I am saying that RW is the best player (maybe the only player) we have who can start in the WR1 spot. It’s like this— you may feel that Ware is a better pass rusher than Marcus Spears. But that does not mean that Ware should be the starting DE. He isn’t the right type of player.

As for how tall— it isn’t simply a matter of inches. You need a physical, possession-type receiver in that WR1 spot. Keyshawn, Michael Irvin, TO. These are some we have had in the past.

With the Muhsin Muhammad reference. Seriously?

That said, I think Roy will still develop into a good player for us. People cite that Roy was never a #1 or was a borderline #1 in Detroit. Whatever. That doesn’t matter. The point is still that he was a LOT better there than he has been here. There is no reason to not expect about 900 yards and 5-8 TDs every year from him. He has not done that so far since coming here. Jerry traded for 1,300 yard Roy, which is simply a figment of his imagination. It will never happen again unless Mike Martz is hired as OC and the team invariably puts up huge passing yardage but loses almost every game. Roy is a borderline 1,000 yard receiver every year. He has not been that so far. He has been terrible. I’m not expecting the world, but I’m expecting better, certainly.

And looked GREAT, lightening fast on that screen. Hopefully the coaches will little by little feed him the ball more. Like what I see from this kid!

I don’t care if they go a whole game without a catch, they are still absolutely crucial to have on the field.

Don’t take it the wrong way, I don’t have a low opinion of Roy. I think he’s an above average WR with good size and speed, not much burst, but long speed. He has always had a problem with dropped passes, and I hope he can improve on that in the future.

Whatever is wrong, he isn’t playing well right now. I think someone posted the fact that Percy Harvin was available at #20 (the Dallas pick that went to DET). Imagine having Harvin on this team. Hakeem Nicks was also available, a couple good OT’s were still available also. To make this a fair trade, Roy is going to have to really step it up.

Thus far, no, it’s been a bad, BAD trade. If Williams starts being competent it may be an ok one.

On a sort of related note, the Mavericks were being blasted for the Devin Harris/Jason Kidd trade but it’s working out now. It could very well take time for Romo/Williams to develop.

For now, I’m just going to sit back and enjoy watching Miles Austin destroy everyone.

Bogus.

Bogus.

I do think you hit the nail on the head with the Muhsin Muhammad comparison though. That career year (of Muhammad’s) by the way came at the ripe old age of 31. In fact, Muhammad’s only had three seasons of over 1,000 yards in his 16-year career. Yeah, that sounds about like I expect Roy’s career to end up if he’s even able to hang around in the league that long. The rest of Muhammad’s career he was good for anywhere from 600-900 yards (much like Roy.) It would be real nice if Roy could show up enough times the rest of the way to accumulate a 850-yard season. But yeah, in a nutshell, Roy is in the same tier as Muhsin Muhammad. Or Marty Booker.

Roy sure isn’t Randy Moss, Larry Fitzgerald or even Hines Ward. Ideally, I guess he should be able to fill a certain niche as a competent possession receiver but he hasn’t even proven capable of doing that so far.

This trade has been a waste so far.

Are you really Roy Williams?