Monday Musings
by Rafael Vela on Nov 23, 2009 1:40 AM CST
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Some odd factoids to feast on as you start your short week:
Cupcake This!
5 -- Dallas is 5th in scoring defense and rising. Look at the Cowboys and other league and conference contenders:
1. Colts - 15.7 ppg.
2. Patriots - 16.4
3. Bengals - 16.7
4. Ravens - 17.1
5. Cowboys - 17.5
10. Vikings - 19.3
11. Cardinals - 19.7
13T. Saints - 20.4
13T. Eagles - 20.4
19T. Falcons - 22.8
23T. Giants - 23.5
Dallas faces Oakland next. They average a league-worst 10.8 points per game. They have not topped 20 points this year. They've topped 13 points just three times. They've scored 10 points or less in half their games. If the Cowboys hold the Raiders to their average of 10 points, Wade's guys will likely crack the top three in scoring defense.
The NFL ranks defenses on yards allowed, the NFL's version of using batting average to assess who is a great hitter. It's fun, but misleading. The Giants, for instance, rank 2nd in yards, but are last in the division in points allowed and are last among the NFC contenders in this category.
The Cowboys, meanwhile have been slowly and steadily rising up from the 30th spot they occupied after the Giants meltdown in week two. Little Doomsday now ranks 16th in this category.
The New Right Tackle?
Doug Free was trouble free today. Didn't draw a penalty. Run blocked well; Jason Garrett didn't favor the left side, as he has in the past. The yardage averages to the right looked very similar to the left, and Free's pass protection appeared sound.
I already see a rush to appoint him Flozell Adam's replacement next year. Perhaps, but I think the team might be better served leaving him right where he, provided his solid play continues. Free received a lot of playing time in the preseason and did not excel at left tackle. The Vikings backup Brian Robison ran around Free several times in the exhibition finale.
Marc Colombo isn't getting any younger and there's no guarantee he'll be the same guy when he returns. He's already overcome one severe leg injury. Dallas likes Robert Brewster as a future guard prospect and may have found their right tackle of the future. I'll guessing Flozell's eventual replacement is on a college campus right now.
Who Said Parity is Dead?
Remember the knee jerking from national press a few weeks ago, when the NFL had one of its bloodiest weekends, with blowouts across the landscape? If a short stretch of mismatches means parity died, can we now call it Lazarus?
This weekend seven games were played between teams separated by three or more games in the standings. Let's see how those turned out:
- Colts 17, Ravens 15;
- Cowboys 7, Redskins 6
- Chiefs 27, Steelers 24
- Vikings 35, Seahawks 9
- Saints 38, Bucs 7
- Cardinals 21, Rams 13
- Raiders 20, Bengals 17
The favored Vikings and Saints won blowouts, but look at the Chiefs and Raiders. The Redskins, Rams and Ravens came close in their games.
The previous week the Redskins knocked the Broncos down to size while the Bucs and Rams threw scares into their heavily favored foes. The Rams in particular had the ball in the final minute with a chance to upset New Orleans.
In the NFC, eleven of the sixteen teams remain in playoff contention ten games into the season. Only the Rams, Bucs, Lions, Seahawks and Redskins can be ruled out, and yet we've seen in the last two weeks how dangerous Washington can be.
In the AFC, only the Browns, Bills, Chiefs and Raiders can be called out and the last two just pulled off huge upsets. If the Titans beat the Texans tonight, they'll be back in the wild card race after an 0-6 start.
Wade Phillips was right in his post game presser, when he said he would not apologize for his ugly win. Wins are hard and an ugly one means just as much as a pretty one when the season is over.
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Same thing I told a friend today
He was pissed about how we played and said “I consider this a loss.” You have to take the W no matter what the circumstances are. I remember way too many games where we dominated but ended up with the L. It might have been ugly but nobody will remember the score at the end of the season when the wins and losses are tallied up. My personal belief (or hope) is that we are trying to stay fairly vanilla on offense until we play the gnats in the meadowlands. I really think that Garrett is saving some things for the December run so the media can’t run us into the ground again for a poor finish. It may be wishful thinking, but I feel like the best is yet to come for the offensive game plans. As long as the defense and special teams keep growing as units we should be in good shape for the stretch run!
by jointman13 on Nov 23, 2009 2:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I saw a lot of the same thing after the KC game
The rippers said it was proof Dallas sucked eggs because, “they barely beat the Chiefs.”
Ask Pittsburgh how they feel about K.C.
Ask Philly and Cincy how they feel about Oakland.
There’s no BCS computer in the NFL. Every game matters. Every win matters.
by Rafael Vela on Nov 23, 2009 9:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Frist!! oh ......
Nevermind.
by alanTdot. on Nov 23, 2009 2:31 AM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
So which Cowboys will show?
Are we going to lose 10.8 – 7?
;)
by dfan77 on Nov 23, 2009 2:32 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Better hope not
The Cowboys can’t afford to let this 7 PPG trend continue.
2009 Dallas Cowboys: 10-6
2009 New York Jets: 11-5?
2009-2010 Dallas Mavericks: 57-25
by Grady90 on Nov 23, 2009 7:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, a good scoring defense can take you far
I give you the home stretch of the 1970 Cowboys
Cowboys 16, Packers 3
Cowboys 34, Redskins 0
Cowboys 6, Browns 2
Cowboys 52, Oilers 10
Playoffs
Cowboys 5, Lions 0
Cowboys 17, 49ers 10
Cowboys 13, Colts 16
Okay, so that last game wasn’t so hot. But you see my point. That team had an explosive and very inconsistent offense, cause Craig Morton had tendonitis in his elbow and the passing game came and went. When they got into the close calls, they won. Seriously. You score 6 points one week and 5 two weeks later and win both games? Unreal.
by Rafael Vela on Nov 23, 2009 9:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ugly win
But so what. Consider the alternative.
by alanTdot. on Nov 23, 2009 2:36 AM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I'll take the win
any win against the redskins is a good one in my book. Nothing comes easy against them. We’ve struggled as much with them as with philly the last 4 years. I’m proud of the way this D played.
Next week will be a test. Washington didnt, but i think Oakland will blitz us silly and we’ll get to see whether Garrett and Romo can come up with the plays to beat it.
Theres still room to grow. The offense obviously has no clue about who they are. We don’t seem to know what we do well anymore, that GB game seemed to be a confidence bruiser.
The NFC East just shut out two contenders today. The Bears are done and the Falcons just dropped another step on the ladder. With the Packers schedule (I can’t believe I’m saying this when 4 weeks ago i was saying this about atlanta), it looks likely they can get to 9 or 10 wins. Of the 3 east teams and GB, someone will be left out.
Next up is Oakland…again, this is another “just win” game. We also have MAJOR rooting interests next thursday – if detroit or denver can pull off a win, that would help us a ton. Given that stafford is probably out, I have little faith in detroit – with him, they’re competitive, without him they’re awful. Denver has a decent shot against the giants – don’t discount homefield on thanksgiving. That stadium will be rockin.
by foyesboys on Nov 23, 2009 2:54 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Raf
Good to see the Defense moving on up.
I knew Doug was going to be good. I remember flipping out on draft day when they selected the surfboard style T James Marten when the athletic former TE Doug Free was still on the board. We’re lucky he was still there for us in the forth.
Hope Mike Jenkins doesn’t miss much time though. Wouldn’t want to be going into New York without Hamlin and Jenkins.
by Luke. on Nov 23, 2009 3:16 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
WP said he was alright Sunday.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
by DIRE WOLF on Nov 23, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take the win also, and these were the redskins we're talking about
Stranger things have happended on redskins games. Both ways. When we’re good, we kick the butts of eagles and giants, but with the redskins you never know. When they’re good playing acceptable, eagles and giants beat us but with the redskins you never know. I kind of expect something like this to happen again going to DC in december.
by Sergio Padron on Nov 23, 2009 3:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
You don't apologize for a win
Especially over a division opponent. But, you also don’t expect many more wins with the level of play displayed yesterday. We beat the hapless Redskins because they missed 2 field goals.
As it is the season for thanks, I am thankful that Jason Campbell has never had good coaching or protection in his short career. Otherwise, he could have become a very special QB.
by JimmyJohnson on Nov 23, 2009 5:51 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Cry, Whine and Moan: Almost literally for Jim Zorn
Shutdown Corner blog has their Cry, Whine and Moan post every week, this is pretty funny…
Washington Redskins. It wouldn’t feel right to make fun of the Redskins this week, because the guys on the defensive side of the ball all did their jobs, and then some. As for the offense and the coaching staff …
The following quotes are passed along from Dan Steinberg’s DC Sports Bog, your online home for postgame quotes that somehow find a way to further humiliate the Redskins. The Redskins needlessly burned two timeouts in the second half. Here’s Jim Zorn explaining the first one:
“Well, shoot,” he said. "Yeah. We got caught on a clock, and I really don’t know how it happened, because I felt like we got the play in, I felt like we were out of the huddle, and we were down to :01 [on the clock] before we knew it. Absolutely have no idea how that happened. Because we were moving in and out of the huddle pretty well then.And here’s Jim Zorn explaining the second one.
“And then on the second timeout, that use of timeout, that was just so frustrating to me. We hurt Jason on that play. I hurt him, because I didn’t have the needed call, and we got caught on time again, where we had a shift and a motion and I had to call timeout because it wasn’t gonna be [snapped in time]. It was just totally mine, totally on me. I screwed us out of that timeout. I did everything I could just to maintain my composure, and then it absolutely had an issue at the end of this football game, so it’s just on me.”
I think we’re about two Redskins losses away from Jim Zorn sitting in front of the mic at postgame press conferences, pulling out an acoustic guitar and singing a song he wrote called, “If You Had Any Shred of Mercy in Your Soul, You’d Fire Me Right Now.”
by scottmaui on Nov 23, 2009 5:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Free received a lot of playing time in the preseason and did not excel at left tackle./blockquote>
Who were you watching? I watched every play in slow motion half a dozen times. He was outstanding in the pre season. He was pancaking people left and right, his pass protection was really good against speed rushers, he struggled a little against bull rushes. I disagree with this statement in a big way.
Free had a lot of playing time and I think he was intelligent, disciplined, and strong at the point of attack, and to add he’s very athletic and agile. He had only a couple “bad plays” the entire pre season.
by Musiccitynorm on Nov 23, 2009 5:55 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think he said Free struggled against 2 guys in particular in the PS
That was my take-away, not that he struggled generally.
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 23, 2009 6:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you obviously didn't watch the Minnesota game
Like Raf said, Free got abused in that game, it was ugly actually.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Nov 23, 2009 7:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Brian Robison abused him on passing downs
and he’s Minny’s backup.
What would Jared Alled have done?
Look, it’s thrilling that he shows he can be a RT. But let’s not get crazy and think he’ll be the LT for the next decade.
There’s no shame in being an NFL quality RT. Think of how long and how hard this team has seached to find one. And how lucky they were with Colombo.
by Rafael Vela on Nov 23, 2009 9:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, Elite LT's are obvious from an early stage
by AustonianAggie on Nov 23, 2009 11:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Squidlo is working right now on
Dallas’ 2021 draft pick in his back yard…
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
by dunkman on Nov 23, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is badknees back there cuz I haven't seen him in a while?
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
by Aaron Novinger on Nov 23, 2009 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just saw him post today
In a curious coincidence, there’s one of those “Old People Amber Alerts” on right now – some guy escaped from the Home and is wandering the streets of Dallas…
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
by dunkman on Nov 23, 2009 12:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Like how much fishing can a guy do?
Maybe he’s been catching us our Xmas presents..
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
by Aaron Novinger on Nov 23, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Catfish?
AGAIN????
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
by dunkman on Nov 23, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm hoping for smoked salmon.
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
by Aaron Novinger on Nov 23, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You know
they don’t come out of the water smoked. Just so you’re not disappointed…
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
by dunkman on Nov 23, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, badknees has a system.
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
by Aaron Novinger on Nov 23, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A waterpipe?
I think they call that “paraphenalia”, not a “system”…
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
by dunkman on Nov 23, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we should give the guy some time...
It’s not like he dominated the right side. He was solid yes, but Washington has one of the worst run defenses in the league and their pass rush isn’t all that great, plus Dallas was giving him help when they could. I do believe it was his missed block that stuffed 3rd and short that led to the Romo INT.
To the defense. Yes, they have done a great job all year holding teams to field goals after giving up long drives. However, the Redskins were nearly flawless on 3rd down, with just the one big stop leading to the missed 50-yarder. Dallas has really had issues getting off the field on 3rd down and this will come to haunt them against teams like the Vikings and the Saints. I’m not sure what the problem is. It’s like when they blitz they don’t get pressure but don’t get the sack and the qb has time to find people, or if they don’t blitz, the receivers have enough time to find the open spot. It’s really mind boggling.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
by Young Wiz on Nov 23, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
they **get** pressure but not the sack
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
by Young Wiz on Nov 23, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The offense should be buying the defense dinner all week
The defense really stepped up…..Uhhhhhhgain.
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 23, 2009 6:14 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
i stand on it
Win over Oakland. . .then three straight losses.
Then two final wins, if we have the moxy.
10-6.
That’s still my call.
by dfan77 on Nov 23, 2009 6:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
And yes
Those two final wins will come down to Romo. Not JG, unless Red wants to totally blow his chances for a good head coaching job. Romo broke out because he freelanced during a pre-season game against Oakland, against Parcells’ wishes. I’d like to see that gutsiness back, in combination with some newly-acquired smarts and (hopefully) leadership skills. Romo has the balls — he just has to learn to act like he’s been there, instead of always smirking and talking.
Just do it, boy.
by dfan77 on Nov 23, 2009 6:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
his facial expressions really count on the football field.
C’mon…
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
by dunkman on Nov 23, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol!! ridiculous, isn't it
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Nov 23, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't find the article, but I remember reading that he had gas, which caused him to smirk.
Only Cricket knew about it.
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
by Aaron Novinger on Nov 23, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Gas jokes? Really?
It isn’t the expressions, per se, although I can’t imagine they help. But imagine saying, “C’mon guys, let’s get this done” in the huddle while wearing the same look on his face.
Sometimes I get the feeling that none of you have ever led anything, or done much more than read stat sheets, watch game tape and pronounce yourselves experts.
And Terry, please — the irrational loyalty to and defense of Romo is wearing ridiculously thin. You can be a Romo fan AND critique him.
In fact, anything less than that simply makes you the doting mother of the boy who never leaves home.
by dfan77 on Nov 24, 2009 10:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have plenty of experience leading
What is more, you have no idea how Romo (or any other player) interacts with his team mates, leads or doesn’t lead. So your critique of Terry is a critique of your own opinion. You too are basing it on what you want to think, not on any facts you have about leadership of the team or the player himself. And if you think you can assess a person’s leadership skills by a facial expression, you know even less than you think.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
by dunkman on Nov 25, 2009 6:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lose to the Jints?
And ready to say NO & SD are clear winners?
Please!
I think we go 6-0 down the stretch.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
by Fighter15 on Nov 23, 2009 6:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
I hope we don’t, but I think we do. Just only a few days ago, people were wondering why I thought the Giants would rebound, and why the Chargers would hit a hot streak.
I answered then — but I also answered weeks ago, dude.
by dfan77 on Nov 23, 2009 7:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jints have no D and little O.
We whooped them the first time and will do so again.
The way our D is playing, I just don’t see a team that can beat us…if we play a complete game.
I also answered then…I simply think you were wrong then and still are.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
by Fighter15 on Nov 23, 2009 9:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Optimistic Much?
Have you seen our schedule??? I like this team’s resolve – they haven’t cracked when against the wall – but New Orleans, NYG, at Washington, Philly, and San Diego are all wins?
10-6.
Greetings from the Humungus, the Ruler of the Wasteland, the Ayatollah of Rock and Roll-A. I laugh at your puny plans.
by Lord Humungus on Nov 23, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be happy with 3-2 down the stretch
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Nov 23, 2009 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you talking about after the Oak game?
Because they are still six games in the season.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Nov 23, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
of course, I can add you know
by stretch I was referring to post Thanksgiving games.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Nov 23, 2009 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
3-2 would be great
because it probably means 11 wins.
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 23, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think 11 wins will be what it takes to win our division
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Nov 23, 2009 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't be to so fast at saying this team will beat Oakland.
I’m not saying they won’t; I’m just saying. Romo has real trouble people in his face, as do all QBs; but Romo, like all shorter QBs depends on his throwing lanes to a greater extent than taller ones such as Manning; This is one reason why he does so well when he moves out of the pocket and why he over throws so many balls when he doesn’t. I’m not putting the losses or the lack of offence all on Romo.
The trouble is all in the O-line; while they are Ok, Flozell, Gurode, and Big can all beat anybody on any given play, but IMO, there size/age prevents them from getting to and being effective in the second level. They all struggle with speedy guys who can change direction or make good inside moves. Columbo , at least to me showed some signs of slowing prior to his injury. Kosair, while being the most mobile and appearing stronger this year, can still be bull rushed on the pass and stuffed on the run. All this being said, the infusion of free into the line will IMO, is a much needed mobile toward more mobility that is much needed.
Back to my original thought; The Raiders have a bunch of dangerous RBs and it seems like we have be gashed by a few runs in almost all our games. They also have a bunch of big,fast recievers, so if their QB ever pulls his head out of his butt they COULD burn someone. I believe there defense is actually better than the stats show, but then again, I haven’t seen any of their games so that may just be reminence of years past.
by bad knees on Nov 23, 2009 9:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not gonna assume anything right now
but Oakland doesn’t have a QB. Bruce Gradkowski was the Tampa QB two years ago when Dallas whipped them on Thanksgiving. Throws sidearm.
That team has one dangerous passing threat. Their TE. Contain him and they will have a lot of trouble scoring.
by Rafael Vela on Nov 23, 2009 9:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
just thought about that yesterday
would love it if Wade re-instituted the 46 defense “out of the blue” for this game.
you know, just to pounce on ’em early, go for da jugular, and turn it into a full-fledged blowout.
my wish.
but as i stated earlier, i just want the “W” — and no serious injuries when the game is over.
Is playing smart too much to ask?
by silverblue5 on Nov 23, 2009 9:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He went for the jugular
blitzed like crazy.
And the last I checked, his D gave up 6 points.
I’ll take it.
by Rafael Vela on Nov 23, 2009 9:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention
both the Cincy and Philly games were in Oakland. Must be a depressing place to play. It will be a different story in Dallas. Plus, you know the offense is going to explode soon, and the Raiders look like the right team to get that started with.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
by Young Wiz on Nov 23, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The ghosts of the Bash Brothers haunt the Coliseum.
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
by Aaron Novinger on Nov 23, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeez! I need to proof read! Plz insert...
move, Free, their, were appropriate.
by bad knees on Nov 23, 2009 9:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I really thing Romo is at his best......
….when he’s “street-balling”. I’d love to see them go to the hurry up more often, throw it in when they don’t HAVE to, keep the D on their toes, increase the tempo and let Romo make some plays. Go to 3 WR’s, 1 back and a TE, put Austin, Crayton and Ogletree in and let’s see what happens. 3 WR’s will even allow the run to continue to blossom.
by John Boy on Nov 23, 2009 6:54 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why do fans think a win is bad when it's not impressive
This is the NFL, any win is impressive, I don’t care who the opponent is or how the game is won.
Look at the Colts, they won ugly against a mediocre Ravens team, Saints barely beat a bad Rams team a few weeks ago, you don’t get anything for style points, this win counts the same as the Falcons, Seahawks and Eagles wins, no different.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Nov 23, 2009 7:30 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Which fan said they weren't happy with getting a win?
I don’t fault people for being concerned about how the team played (2 weeks in a row for the offense). I’m willing to bet the coaches will find plenty of things to talk about and work on. I’ll even go over the top and say I bet there are things they are concerned about. But you may be right, they may just move on and say oh boy, we got a win.
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 23, 2009 7:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why don't you point out specifically who wasn't happy to get a win
Is it buried in all the posts where people said a win is a win?
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 23, 2009 8:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
read the first comment
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Nov 23, 2009 8:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, right, here it is
You have to take the W no matter what the circumstances are.
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 23, 2009 8:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no, this is it
He was pissed about how we played and said "I consider this a loss.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Nov 23, 2009 8:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever
To use your advise, read the comment. If you read his entire comment, almost a full paragraph he says he doesn’t care how ugly it is as long as it’s a win. The way it reads, the comment you pasted looks like he made a typo. That makes it pretty much unanimous in the thread with all the others who wrote in effect a win is a win and we’re happy with it.
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 23, 2009 8:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Read it closer StillHate
jointman said,
You have to take the W no matter what the circumstances are
It was jointman’s friend who said,
He was pissed about how we played and said "I consider this a loss.
So Terry’s original point is valid.
by WB3forMB3 on Nov 23, 2009 8:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the fanI I was refering to wasn't jointman
it was his buddy, which is the answer to your initial question.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Nov 23, 2009 8:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So it is unanimous for people who post
Every single first person poster was happy to get a win. Why do I allow myself to get dragged into such ridiculous conversations. Some guy, who doesn’t actually post but spoke with a poster, was frustrated by how the Cowboys played. Because he isn’t mind numb and doesn’t have complete blind faith that the Cowboys will win the SB after over 10 years of disappointing their fans, a second hand comment deserves a post that makes it sound like there is a chorus of people here screaming about the win. Just keep your eyes closed, your hands over your ears and hum really loud……..everything is perfect.
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 23, 2009 8:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I never said everything was perfect
and if you don’t like my comments, don’t respond to them.
However, that fan is a Cowboys fan and there are many more like him, including many of this blog whether you want to acknowledge it or not.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Nov 23, 2009 8:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
only thing Terry......
you were the same guy that said “we’d blow out the Skins” on Sunday. I warned you to be careful but you said it would be no contest and you’d be shocked. Well, we did pull out a close one, but why have you changed your tune?
by texstar on Nov 23, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I said we should blow them out
big difference and I obviously didn’t think MB3 would fumble on the second drive of the game which in turn caused Romo to be hurt the remainder of the game.
MB3 doesn’t fumble and Romo remains healthy, I’m pretty sure we beat them fairly easily. Turns out Romo played in pain and gutted it out to lead us to victory, which I’ll take any day.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Nov 23, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, the MB3 fumble was definitely
a turning point. My only point to you, is be careful when you say we should dominate etc. because I warned you that the Skins could be dangerous because of the rivalry. Between the Boys and Skins anything can happen and you throw out the record book.
by texstar on Nov 23, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I amde the same point, and yesterday's game proves it
Terry is right that the Cowboys are better up and down the roster, but Skins and the Boys is like a college rivalry. Weird stuff just happens
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Nov 23, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is this Basement level 2?
I think I parked down here.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
by dunkman on Nov 23, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, and I'll show my age here......
are you old enough to remember the Thanksgiving Day game against the Skins? I’m talking about the one that Staubach got hurt and Clint Longley came in and saved the day. I was a little kid and I remember it vividly. It was an awesome game that we weren’t picked to win
by texstar on Nov 23, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is that that one guy on the old BattleStar Gallactica
and that other guy in those westerns that was the mayor of Carmel?
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
by Aaron Novinger on Nov 23, 2009 12:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha ha
Whatever became of Clint? And yes I remember the game well
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 23, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
remember he picked a fight
with Staubach in training camp the next summer. That was the end of him. I actually had a cousin that played with ol Clint at Abilene Christian. Those were the days of Wilbur Montgomery who played for the Eagles. It’s amazing how many NFL athletes have come out of little Abilene Christinan like Johnny Knox and Daniel Manning. Man, I must be bored because I’m rambling on-lol
by texstar on Nov 23, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He speaks in that vid that Raul posted yesterday.
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
by Aaron Novinger on Nov 23, 2009 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah, I remember that game
I was young and dumb enough to think that Longley was going to take Staubach’s job b/c of that
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Nov 23, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think there's anything wrong with saying the Cowboys played like horse hockey when they did
That’s the difference. Anyone who has a difference of opinion with you is wrong. You have zero tolerance for another point of view and you’re the guy who lives in a make believe world 1/2 the time.
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 23, 2009 12:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What's crazy is that the 'Skins played an outstanding game, but still lost.
Thank you, former-Cowboy kicker!
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
by Aaron Novinger on Nov 23, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Has he been cut yet
I would not want to be him today. Something tells me he’s wearing funny glasses and a fake mustache on the drive home
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 23, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what happens to traitors!
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
by Aaron Novinger on Nov 23, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cuz they want Skippy's approval on ESPN?
LOL, you got that right Terry, don’t matter, WE WON.
Just becuz you put yer boots in the oven don't make it bread
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Nov 23, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Colts won their last 4 games by a total of 10 points
but that doesn’t make them any less 10-0
by scottmaui on Nov 23, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think two very important things happened today for this team
1. Romo drove the team down the field when they had to have one to win
2. The defense created a big turnover that sealed the win
Both of those are majorly important come January, fellas.
by Urinal Mint on Nov 23, 2009 7:39 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think last season we lose
this game and the KC game thereby making us 5-5. This team has a different attitude and chemistry to it.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Nov 23, 2009 7:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you
I am still not completely confident in this team’s ability to come from behind, but they also don’t fold up like a lawn chair either
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Nov 23, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Two really good points.
Both a case of willing a win. How many times have we pulled ahead late only to watch the other team drive down against our D for the win?
And Spencer came up with the INT off the Bowen deflection.
Better the offense is sputtering now than in December, but I really did get the feeling JG was saying, “You want the run? Well, here’s some more.”
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
by Uncle Angus on Nov 23, 2009 8:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I really hope that's not the case about JG
Last year we heard TO was intimidating him in his play calling. Now it’s pressure from others determining how he calls a game? He did seem to go out of his way yesterday to run too much. The TD drive seemed like it could have happened at anytime if he would have just let the players make plays. If he is that easily taken out of his strategy I hope he isn’t there in the future.
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 23, 2009 8:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, it was again Garrett playing with what the Defense was giving up
The Skins trusted their front 4 and LBs in their regular package as they wanted to limit Romo’s options through the air, they were sending 5 and 6 coverage guys in almost every play.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
by Chandus on Nov 23, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus....
I think it was safer to run because Romo’s back was bothering him too.
by texstar on Nov 23, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Both good points
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
by dunkman on Nov 23, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
why is it though
when Romo is off, his passes are always high? It’s a trend that I can’t seem to figure out. Ever notice that?
by texstar on Nov 23, 2009 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not true.
He also throws behind at times, too!
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
by Aaron Novinger on Nov 23, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
let compromise......
how about high and behind? Uh-oh here comes Terry-LOL
by texstar on Nov 23, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was the back this time..
He wasn’t stepping into the throw, just kind of slinging them. Saw the same thing from Cutler last night.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
by Young Wiz on Nov 23, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can also happen when you don't have a throwing lane
so instead of throwing between linemen, you have to elevate over them. I saw that one one play yesterday.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
by dunkman on Nov 23, 2009 12:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They have been high as a rule
I’d get it if he were throwing to Irvin or Newton, but I’m not sure.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
by dunkman on Nov 23, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not like the run wasn't working lol
Had they scored a TD on that first drive the game goes completely different IMO. Plenty of momentum out of the gate and no knee to the back on Romo. He didn’t look quite right for the rest of the day, throws were a bit off.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
by Young Wiz on Nov 23, 2009 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, romo does not get hurt.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Nov 23, 2009 11:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Were they using play action?
I didn’t get to see the game.
by Baked Potato Soup on Nov 23, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think on either one of the RW drops or a MartyB catch, they used playaction.
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
by Aaron Novinger on Nov 23, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Defense
If the defense keeps playing like this I like are chances against anybody. Is it me or has Witten always been this slow? He just doesnt get downfield anymore, or the defense is making sure of it.
by B-Real on Nov 23, 2009 7:58 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
He is slow.
He is ALWAYS tackled immediately after a reception. His YAC must be “WOW”.
~Texas Massacre '09~
by TheHeat on Nov 23, 2009 10:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't have much in the way of
shakes. He runs decently, but mostly gets open with his smarts. But once he catches it, he’s pretty much done. That’s why they want Bennett to get more touches. He runs like a slow-ish WR.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
by dunkman on Nov 23, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I loved Witten's intensity that last drive.......
You usually don’t see him get all excited when he makes a catch, but he did yesterday. He was trying to fire up the guys.
by texstar on Nov 23, 2009 11:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Forgot about that. Maybe Brooking is keeping him after practice to teach him his sack dance.
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
by Aaron Novinger on Nov 23, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is there any significance to his sack dance?
It looks like he did it on accident once and just kept doing it.. must not be used to recording sacks from his time in ATL.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
by Young Wiz on Nov 23, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I swear I've seen it used by some old WWF wrestler.
Some tag team…they would do that and point to each other.
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
by Aaron Novinger on Nov 23, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hardly ever watched wrestling
but that sounds familiar for some reason lol
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
by Young Wiz on Nov 23, 2009 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That was great.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
by dunkman on Nov 23, 2009 12:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He is running routes and catching balls...
that don’t put him in the best position to make plays.. it’s usually Romo fitting it into tight coverage to get the first. Witten is not slow, but he is definitely not quick, which is why he can’t always make the first guy miss unless they don’t put a good tackle on him and he just sheds it.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
by Young Wiz on Nov 23, 2009 11:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it is kind of funny...
When a team like… the Steelers from last season win a close game with something like 10-9 or something lower, it was an “in the trenches” tough, hard won game. But when the Cowboys with 7-6, some “consider it a loss”. Redskins “can” be as good as any other team, to belittle them would be ignorant and they played a decent game yesterday. We won, it was hard fought, great defensive effort, a little luck like always, but we won so consider it as much.
by Masada on Nov 23, 2009 8:15 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1
Cowboys fans should be really happy our defense is playing great as our offense will eventually get out of this funk, too many talented players not to.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Nov 23, 2009 8:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's all perception..
Dallas is a “glamerous” team that should be in a shoot out everyweek. Is it so hard to conceive that we have a good defense this year that just needed time to develop and gel? Teams have had success in the past with a strong defense and less than overwhelming offense, but Dallas is only that team right now because the offense isn’t clicking. To me (granted I’m the eternal optimist) this is more encouraging and discouraging. You’re guna tell me Dallas just won against a division rival when they’re offense only put up 7 points and the defense got a pick on the last drive to ice the game? How often does that happen?
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
by Young Wiz on Nov 23, 2009 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
more encouraging THAN discouraging.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
by Young Wiz on Nov 23, 2009 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
All about expectations
And having a high-powered offense. But I agree.
Greetings from the Humungus, the Ruler of the Wasteland, the Ayatollah of Rock and Roll-A. I laugh at your puny plans.
by Lord Humungus on Nov 23, 2009 9:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Given the weird things that have happened so many times when the
Cowboys and Redskins have met, any win by us is a good win. The D giving up a lot of yards still makes me nervous, and I really, really need the receivers to work as hard at getting open as PC did yesterday, but when the Cowboys have more points at the end of the game than the Redskins, it’s a beautiful thing.
by Fernie67 on Nov 23, 2009 8:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Good breakdown Raf
It seems like every time we play the Redskins it is an ugly game. It was a fight and the Cowboys won. The game in DC will probably be the same.
IMO we needed to run the ball better and we did. This set up play action and unfortunately Romo was off and RW did not play well. JG has to find a way to get the ball down the field and make a big play. But his QB is overthrowing everybody and RW is more and more of a diva.
What is the Red Ball gonna do?
by cowboy1966 on Nov 23, 2009 8:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Finally...
someone else points out that Romo was off. How many times did Aikman say, “That one got away from Romo” ? 5? 6? Romo missed some open WR’s, so I’m not sure why you say that RW did not play well? He was open across the middle a few times and Romo just missed him.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
by Young Wiz on Nov 23, 2009 12:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But at least he threw to the Redskins defenders that can't catch.
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
by Aaron Novinger on Nov 23, 2009 12:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's embarrassing considering Sansy got a pick this year wearing a cast.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
by Young Wiz on Nov 23, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You are on your game today
And those throws were right on the money too. Hit those guys right in the numbers
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 23, 2009 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Both were deflections actually weren't they?
Still, a poor pass that gets deflected is still the QB’s fault. (see Romo to Witten’s heel, circa week 2).
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
by Young Wiz on Nov 23, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
At least the football gods even things out.
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
by Aaron Novinger on Nov 23, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the 2nd one was definitely deflected
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 23, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think a d-lineman got a hand on the first one as well
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
by Young Wiz on Nov 23, 2009 12:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
One that is off your own receiver could be either party’s fault. One deflected by a d-lineman near the LOS is always considered the o-lineman’s fault. They are supposed to help keep those arms down by keeping the rusher engaged.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
by dunkman on Nov 23, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The one that hit the WR was definitely Romo's fault.
I don’t have the game recording so I’m going off memory here.. but you’re right about the lineman part, even on quick throws.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
by Young Wiz on Nov 23, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not if it's deflected at the LOS
thats just a good play by the DL.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Nov 23, 2009 12:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If the Redskins
make those 2 picks we get a Loss.
by cowboy1966 on Nov 23, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not necessarily
no guarantee they score as a result
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Nov 23, 2009 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And if.....
the queen had a ****, she would be king.
by Road Warrior on Nov 23, 2009 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You mean as in drag queen?
I don’t get that one, Warrior. I thought that was whole point…
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
by dunkman on Nov 23, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry dunk... no, the word I wanted to say does begin with D, but it's not drag.
My point is you can go back over ever game and ‘if’ them to death.
If Barber doesn’t fumble, if Folk doesn’t miss…. etc. Doesn’t matter, we won a huge division game. Onto Oakland.
by Road Warrior on Nov 23, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well he was off
He was injured and that might have accounted for his accuracy issues.
That said, RW needed to catch the ones near him and he didn’t.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
by dunkman on Nov 23, 2009 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he was more accurate after the injury.
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
by Aaron Novinger on Nov 23, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who had time to tell?
he got the injury pretty early on.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
by dunkman on Nov 23, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and they ran the ball like 20 straight times it seemed before that
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
by Young Wiz on Nov 23, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I found it ironic that he got injured on a running play when the Packers blitzers were blowing him up on passing plays last week.
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
by Aaron Novinger on Nov 23, 2009 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting point..
somewhat similar to Beuhler getting his foot stepped on when he was in on punt coverage.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
by Young Wiz on Nov 23, 2009 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok....
going to get lunch.. nice chattin with you Aaron and dunkman
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
by Young Wiz on Nov 23, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
good idear
Peace be with you.
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
by Aaron Novinger on Nov 23, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Have some fish for us
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
by dunkman on Nov 23, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
really??
Romo only throw like 2 or 3 passes before the injury
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Nov 23, 2009 12:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
was messing with the dunkman
His handoffs were accurate, though.
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
by Aaron Novinger on Nov 23, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually he was
a little high on one…
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
by dunkman on Nov 23, 2009 4:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol didn't i just make that point somewhere else and you refuted it?
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
by Young Wiz on Nov 23, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thats to dunkman
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
by Young Wiz on Nov 23, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, I was just stating that RW needs to cacth the hard ones
Romo was not his usual accurate self. It was perhaps because of the back, but he was throwing high not really off left or right.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
by dunkman on Nov 23, 2009 12:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
mostly...
he put a few behind people — one to Austin I remember, and Witten too i think.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
by Young Wiz on Nov 23, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know some of those passes are off, but the guys still need to make plays on them.
Other teams do it…why can’t ours?
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
by Aaron Novinger on Nov 23, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
did you see the one handed catch by Dallas Clark?
Now that’s a catch
by texstar on Nov 23, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well yeah...
the one to RW was high but catchable. Other teams do it, but a lot don’t as well. Bennett did it, so that was nice.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
by Young Wiz on Nov 23, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, you definitely did...
you said not having a throwing lane could have forced him to elevated it lol good stuff
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
by Young Wiz on Nov 23, 2009 12:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was referring to the injury's impact on his accuracy
It is often also changing trajectory because of the throwing lanes.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
by dunkman on Nov 23, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but he usually doesn't have a problem with it
that’s why I think he was having some back pain. He is usually a sergeon on deep crossing routes.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
by Young Wiz on Nov 23, 2009 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
surgeon**
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
by Young Wiz on Nov 23, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Stare at that word for a while..
it loses all meaning. Weird.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
by Young Wiz on Nov 23, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Free
he missed the block on the 3rd and 1 run to barber where barber got tackled for a loss
by ab03 on Nov 23, 2009 8:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's said that Free has the athletic ability, just short on technique. That'll develop.
Wharter
by Wharter on Nov 23, 2009 8:55 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
he needs to get stronger as well
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Nov 23, 2009 8:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Greetings from the Humungus, the Ruler of the Wasteland, the Ayatollah of Rock and Roll-A. I laugh at your puny plans.
by Lord Humungus on Nov 23, 2009 8:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think playing in games will help that.
There is weight room strength and there is applied strength. I think there are certain things, including leverage, that have to be built up in game-like situations, no matter how much weight training you do. Dead lifts, squats, and bench presses are a great start, but they can’t simulate actually pushing against someone pushing back at you from different angles.
by Baked Potato Soup on Nov 23, 2009 9:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In all starts in the weight room though
Like Parcells once said, it’s why they lift all those weights.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Nov 23, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But Free has been in the weight room for what?
Three years? It’s game exerpeience now.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
by dunkman on Nov 23, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's still young though
and can get bigger and stronger IMO
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Nov 23, 2009 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying he shouldn't lift weights.
I’m saying that that’s just not enough. There’s measured strength and applied strength, but obviously you have to have them both. The problem is it’s easy to work on your measured strength, but not so easy to work on your applied strength.
by Baked Potato Soup on Nov 23, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Deal is Doug only lifts
Free weights…
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
by dunkman on Nov 23, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't that what he does in practice against Ware and Spencer??
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Nov 23, 2009 1:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt that they go full speed in practice.
And they are working more on the other team’s schemes than on actually improving Free, I would think. A few reps in practice is nothing compared to several weeks of game time. Aren’t you the one that always uses “it was only practice” to explain why Romo’s first 3 years in the league don’t actually count? Why wouldn’t that be the case for other positions as well? There are certain things that you just can’t simulate in practice, like taking hits for 3 hours or fighting with a DE for 3 hours.
by Baked Potato Soup on Nov 23, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
QB is the most difficult position to learn in all of sports
Playing OL hardly falls within that category. There are many OL from college that can step in and play well right away whereas it takes years to master the qb position. Comparing apples to oranges.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Nov 23, 2009 1:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There are also many QBs that do that.
But you do acknowledge that there are some things that cannot be learned in practice, right? I don’t even understand what you’re arguing about, to be honest. Are you saying that playing in games won’t help Free’s strength improve?
by Baked Potato Soup on Nov 23, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no, there aren't many qbs that can do that
All qbs go through their growing pains, even the ones that have lucky rookie years like Ryan and Roerthlisberger.
I’m not saying that playing in real games won’t help Free, of course it will, but getting stronger and thicker below the waist will help even more, thats his weakness, being susceptible to the bull rush and run blocking. Just need to be more powerful and you get that way by lifting weights.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Nov 24, 2009 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That was 2 years ago. He has been in the Cowboy weight room for 2 years.
His strenght and size are up. Like all young players, he needs reps.
KICK ASS every day!!!
by squidlo97 on Nov 24, 2009 3:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and his strength and size need to get better and bigger
especially at RT.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Nov 24, 2009 3:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not solely by lifting weights.
There is stamina, leverage, technique, and a toughening that can only be improved in real life situations. Some of the strongest guys I know have been people that are firemen, wrestlers, etc., who can’t bench or squat as much as other guys, but can easily out muscle them.
I’ve heard it referred to as “Dad strength” by some people, meaning that your pops might not be able to bench as much as you when you’re in high school, but he can still toss you around, because he has more practical strength and not just weight room strength.
by Baked Potato Soup on Nov 24, 2009 9:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Considering the first 2 games of the season
That’s pretty good. They looked like Swiss cheese after the Bucs and Giants games.
Greetings from the Humungus, the Ruler of the Wasteland, the Ayatollah of Rock and Roll-A. I laugh at your puny plans.
by Lord Humungus on Nov 23, 2009 8:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
silverblue5 summary
Low-Scoring Ugly Win > Point-Producing Entertaining Loss
Is playing smart too much to ask?
by silverblue5 on Nov 23, 2009 9:05 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Right
The offense was on fire versus the Giants.
Compare how you feel today vs. how you felt that Monday morning.
by Rafael Vela on Nov 23, 2009 9:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
I’ll take the “W” any day… and I don’t care how it looks!
Is playing smart too much to ask?
by silverblue5 on Nov 23, 2009 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take a Cowboys Offensive Spectular
one of those 35 point serenades, complete with a parade at the end
by AustonianAggie on Nov 23, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sort of off-topic but
I thought the pass rush was tremendous yesterday. Only one official sack (but two others were taken away – penalty and replay), the game-clinching INT came as Ware harrassed Campbell, and besides Campbell did a great job of avoiding the all-out blitz and making clutch throws. He is pretty mobile in the pocket. Hopefully once they get to play less mobile QBs, like Gradkowski or even Eli Manning, there will be more tangible results.
On the other hand, the Redskins O-line is about as threadbare as they come. So I don’t know what I’m sayingt. Other than I liked all the blitzing, especially sending Brooking in so often.
by DavidH22 on Nov 23, 2009 9:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
How come everyone is so two-faced?
It’s funny how a lot of fans love how the defense is playing right now but yet they are the main people who can’t stand Wade and want him gone at the end of the season….He might not be the greatest head coach but he’s getting the job done…It’s not his fault if the players don’t execute
by Lone Star on Nov 23, 2009 10:35 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad to see another voice of reason
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Nov 23, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No one questions Wade's ability as DC, it is his abilty as Head Coach that is in question
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Nov 23, 2009 11:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not two faced
I just have a really nice butt…
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
by dunkman on Nov 23, 2009 11:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why is it a crime for the Cowboys to struggle?
Don’t get me wrong, as a fan I have concerns about the offense. But few teams ever just breeze through a season with all units firing on all cylinders. This is the NFL. The other guys get paid and play hard too. And no one is gonna just breeze through the entire season without some struggle.
The Cowboys just lost on the road to a desperate and pretty talented Green Bay team, and held off a pesky division rival at home.
I’m not sure why everyone expects Cowboy fans to apologize for putting together a scoring drive when it mattered, then getting a takeaway on defense. It was an ugly win. But it was a division win that put us at 7-3. I’ll take it. I’m not apologizing for anything.
Hopefully this team can cure a few problems against Oakland. But I dont expect them to lay down either.
OBSERVATION - EMOTION = COMMON SENSE
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Nov 23, 2009 10:39 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
welcome home, Glory :)
… and well said!
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Nov 23, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well said Carl
Sometimes I think fans don’t realize what decade they currently live in, it’s actually 2009, not 1992 or 1993.
Our days of dominating teams on a consistent basis are long gone, and that applies to every team in the league, including the undefeated Colts and Saints.
Just too much parity in the league.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Nov 23, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
IMO, a team can learn more from these kind of wins rather than blowing out teams.
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
by Aaron Novinger on Nov 23, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
good post Carl.
Especially when it comes to washington..I will take a win against them any way we can get one.
We absolutely need to improve going forward but it was very encouraging to see the D pick up their game and play well the last 2 or 3 weeks while the offense has struggled.
Just looking at the sideline during that game….this team looks so much more like a T-E-A-M to me than in years past. The defense cheering the offense on, etc.
by foyesboys on Nov 23, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dallas opens as big favorite.
Dallas -14 is a lot of points to give up on a team that can’t score lately. It will be interesting to watch the steam. I think the money has to go to Oakland with them getting that many points.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
by DIRE WOLF on Nov 23, 2009 10:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'll definitely take the ugly win...
where we get outplayed but still squeak out a win. It makes the “pretty losses” where we outplay the other side and find a way to lose a little easier to take.
by DannyWhite on Nov 23, 2009 11:03 AM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I'll definitely take the ugly win...
where we get outplayed but still squeak out a win. It makes the “pretty losses” where we outplay the other side and find a way to lose a little easier to take.
by DannyWhite on Nov 23, 2009 11:03 AM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I'ts said that good teams
find a way to win even when they should lose. Well Dallas won.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
by DIRE WOLF on Nov 23, 2009 11:06 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'd just like to know one thing
Why the hell can’t Roy Williams catch the damn ball? Any thoughts? Seriously, that dude has a major problem with catching, even though he gets himself into position to do so. Can you use glue on your gloves, or is that illegal?
Just becuz you put yer boots in the oven don't make it bread
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Nov 23, 2009 11:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's very confusing.......
He may be pressing because of all the criticism being directed at him maybe? Living in Austin I have watched him back to his UT days and he never dropped passes like this-I mean never. I’m wondering if he’s thinking too much. I’m not giving up on him yet, but he’s gotta get his head on straight pretty soon. I think he’s just pressing too much, trying to make a play because of all the negative press he’s been getting. Not making up excuses for him because he’s gotta deliver, but I’m wondering if that’s what’s up with him.
by texstar on Nov 23, 2009 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol come on man...
Romo’s throws were all high and off target against the Redskins. There was one ball he probably should have had but after Romo got him crushed in the ribs a few weeks ago, it’s somewhat understandable that he’d have gator arms on a high throw across the middle. The guy has great hands, like texstar said, I think he’s also thinking about what he’s going to do after the catch because me may feel pressured to turn every play into something big. I think if Romo gets his accuracy back (I think it was because of the hit to the back, he wasn’t stepping into throws) and starts spreading it around again, that it will come.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
by Young Wiz on Nov 23, 2009 11:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There were two he should have had
And that’s the deal – QB won’t always be “on”. WRs have to do their part too. All of them do. I was just as steamed at MBIII for the fumble. But Roy’s problems go back several games. He’s got the jitters now and he hear boos every time he makes a mistake.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
by dunkman on Nov 23, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah he is definitely a head case right now..
but it’s not really his fault. Obviously we have to judge him based on what Jerry gave up for him, but it’s not like he held out like Crabtree or something you know? If he came for a lot less we wouldn’t be talking about this, and you could say if he did then he wouldn’t even be playing, but I think the scrutinee that he got from day one is what is killing him. It’s fair to judge his numbers harshly because of what Jerry gave up, but I definitely think it’s unfair to him. Now obviously he’s a grown man and should be able to handle it, but he played at Detroit for so long, who are we to know what that transition would do to a person?
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
by Young Wiz on Nov 23, 2009 11:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Merril Hodge just said on ESPN that...
The NFC is weak this year and the Giants will win because they have the most consistant quarterback. Why does ESPN have people say stuff when they clearly don’t actually watch the games.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
by Young Wiz on Nov 23, 2009 11:32 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Don't watch that sh*t son
Those people exist to piss us off. They know what they’re sayin is wrong, it’s what they WISH, not what is. If you want some Cowboy love, watch Skip Bayless this year on First Take in the a.m. He’s a homer this year, he’s lovin up TR and I’m not sure why, except that “team obliterator” is gone.
Just becuz you put yer boots in the oven don't make it bread
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Nov 23, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
btw i meant NFC East...
but yeah i know what you’re sayin, but at 12:30 in the afternoon there isn’t much else to watch. I think Skip has always been a closet Cowboys fan, but hated T.O. so much that it made him not like the team. He killed them every time they came up last year, and now he is quick to defend them. I’m not looking for Dallas love, I’m looking for someone with an educated opinion. Idk how Eli has been the most consistant QB in the Beast this year. Also, someone else said Dallas keeps going backwards, but last i check, we won and are exactly are where we were last week. How is that backwards?
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
by Young Wiz on Nov 23, 2009 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Eli has been consistent, he had 4 straight losses for his team, it was a team effort to lose that many games.
So merril is right about the consistency thing, he just has it backwards.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Nov 23, 2009 11:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In that case it's the Skins then. Campbell is having a career year.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
by Young Wiz on Nov 23, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone calling for Folk's head?
Put my name on that list. Let’s see what kind of marbles Beuhler has.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
by Young Wiz on Nov 23, 2009 12:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not me.
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
by Aaron Novinger on Nov 23, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Missed chip shots don't worry you?
Do I need to bring up Vanderjagt?
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
by Young Wiz on Nov 23, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I just did.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
by Young Wiz on Nov 23, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But V was at the end of his career
I really just think this is a Folkin’ faze. Buehler’s not healthy and I wouldn’t trust some FA to come in and handle these duties.
It’s his first slump…he’s just gotta work through it and hopefully while he does, he doesn’t cost the team a W.
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
by Aaron Novinger on Nov 23, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no huddle
i was wondering around the 3rd quarter why jg didn’t go no huddle to try to get something going. romo seems to do better in that set.
by maxdout on Nov 23, 2009 2:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It is a passing League........if you want to beat New Orleans or the Colts or Minnesota you gotta throw the rock
Those teams can all ring the scoreboard………..how many times has Brees and Manning rang the comeback bell when every statistic said they lose the game. Time of Possession…………turnovers…………everything in the favor of the other team and yet good quarterbacking by Favre, Manning and Brees…………and PASS PLAYS…………
We need to get this offense back in synch…………
by Jon B. on Nov 23, 2009 5:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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