FISH on FOOTBALL: Cowboys Top-10 Takes After Surviving Redskins
It was the first game in the 50-year history of the Dallas Cowboys to end with a score of 7-6 … yet it was so impressive (to some) that Roy Williams opened his mouth (if not his hands) to declare that the win over the Redskins means "This football team is good enough to win the Super Bowl.’’
Well, yes. It can. But … well … let’s do first things first, starting with FISH on FOOTBALL’s Top 10 Takes on Sunday’s victory:

1. "First things first’’ means the Raiders on Thursday, then some long-awaited success in December, and then using this 7-3 start as a springboard into a first-round playoff win. Honestly, all of that is a far cry from being on a level with NFC leaders New Orleans (no losses) and Minnesota (one odd last-second loss at Pittsburgh). While the Cowboys struggled against their have-not foe the Redskins, New Orleans played have-not Tampa Bay and Minnesota played have-not Seattle and each dismissed their challenge with ease.
Still, Roy insists, "We're playing Super Bowl defense right now. And, it may not look like it, but on offense we're real, real close."
Me? I would suggest that all of that represents a "goal,’’ not an "accomplishment.’’
2. I said it, you said it, Daryl Johnston said it, and apparently Jerry Jones said it, too. I’m assuming offensive coordinator Jason Garrett ignored those first three but paid attention to the authority of the fourth and after only 11 handoffs to running backs in a loss to Green Bay, recommitted himself to some power football. For whatever issues remain following this win, the running game isn’t one of them, as Dallas rushed 33 times for 153 yards.
3. I support this approach – and most importantly, Jerry indicated he is supportive of this choice … but the weirdest attitude about the Cowboys’ offensive that emerged Sunday came from Fox’ Troy Aikman, who I think tried to be subtle in his support for buddy Garrett … but wasn’t subtle at all.
Troy was trying to say that ultimately, running the football really isn’t all that important for a Super Bowl team. It was clearly a notion he’d gleaned from last week’s pre-Cowboys-game preparation and meetings with coaches at Valley Ranch.
But …
Really, Troy? Since when did you start thinking that running the football really isn’t all that important for a Super Bowl team? Did you just start thinking that on, say, last Friday? Because you certainly don’t think it based on 1992, 1993 or 1995, I can tell you that.
Let me gently suggest that Troy seemed to be saying something to cover the backside of Garrett in case the running game didn’t work. … but when it did, the whole thing seemed even more disingenuous.
4. Tony Romo might have a problem with his hip and he might have a problem with his back but all he has to do is tape some aspirin to his hip and rub some dirt on his back and get through four more days of pain before he gets a nice, long, post-Thanksgiving rest. As always, the Cowboys’ participation in the Thursday event means 10 days before the next game.
5. Are we a little nervous about Nick Folk yet? Dallas has a leg up with a healthy Mat McBriar punting and has another leg up with rookie David Buehler kicking off but seems one leg shy of being fully balanced in the kicking game now that Nick has missed five field goals this year – two fewer than he missed in the previous two seasons combined.
Of course, as any football player who doesn’t kick will tell you … they are kickers. They are funky and fluky and lost in this win is the fact the Washington’s Shaun Suisham (a former Cowboy) missed two FGs, including a late-game one that would’ve put the Redskins up 9-0 and rendered the Romo-led comeback meaningless.
So. … kickers miss. But Shaun Suisham hadn’t missed all year until Sunday.
So … kickers miss. But Nick Folk is kind of missing a lot of them.
6. It certainly looked to me that the Cowboys’ final drive – on which they completed seven of eight passes to drive 60 yards – was a product of Tony Romo’s innovative and creative abilities. That is certainly the case with the final play; you can’t really diagram how the QB is supposed to twirl away from from Redskins’ pass-rush monster-in-training Brian Orakpo and you can’t really diagram how Patrick Crayton is supposed to freelance his way to an open spot and then screen away a defender from the ball.
That sort of football is instinctive and fun … one of the reasons Romo obviously enjoyed it so much.
7. I give up on trying to figure out when the Cowboys Stadium roof is supposed to be open. Sunday in North Texas featured football weather the way we all envision it: Sunny and fresh and 68 degrees and glorious … I guess I don’t care, except it seems like a waste of, what, a few hundred million?
8. The Cowboys were 3-of-11 on third downs on Sunday, very reminiscent of what they did in Green Bay. Want a whipping post? Seriously, how is this not pinned on Roy Williams? If this was a high-school kid, and passes were repeatedly hitting him in the hands and then he was dropping them while complaining that he lost the ball in the clouds or whatever, the high-school kid would be benched … or at least criticized.
Of course, it takes all kinds. On the flip side of Roy Williams' high-profile/low-level contributions there is Doug Free. He was so solid that we barely missed the absence of Marc Colombo. And isn't that the best kind of offensive lineman? One who, like a good referee, a good accountant and a good Mom, you come to take for granted?
9. You know how at the end of blowout games, coaches of young teams go ahead and call timeouts and continue to manage the game in hopes of teaching good habits, developing winning traits and simulating pressure situations? Fate has allowed the Cowboys to do some of that twice in the last two fourth quarters of games.
Of course, the drama against the Redskins that produced Tony Romo’s game-winning toss to Patrick Crayton for Dallas’ game-winning and lone TD wasn’t "simulated.’’ But the late TD in Green Bay the week before was "meaningless.’’ … except when you put the two together, maybe you really do have the development of "good habits,’’ "winning traits’’ and "success in pressure situations.’’
10. So maybe the NFC East isn’t the most muscular of powerhouses right now. But surviving it must be the foundation goal here.
Dallas winning the Super Bowl? First things first, I say.
Let’s start with Dallas winning a very winnable NFC East.
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What did all the great running accomplish?
How many more points did Dallas score yesterday playing bludgeonball?
You win super bowls by running the ball
And there is no trend towards a passing lg, that is a COMPLETE fallacy. The numbers have been fairly static over the past 10 yrs or so.
"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto
by Michael Cave on Nov 23, 2009 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
I think your numbers may be 10 years old
Time for an update.
by northtexan95 on Nov 23, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions
The pls dispute with facts
On average the NFL passes 55.08% of the time and runs the other 44.92%. Guess what those numbers were in 1999. 55.30% passing, 44.70% running.
"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto
by Michael Cave on Nov 23, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
the NFL's passing leader has NEVER won the SB
Every other category has, but not the passing leader (yards). Think of Marino, Fouts, Kelly, Elway before Davis, even Brady in 07.
Pretty compelling evidence in my view that you have to have some balance to your O to win in the playoffs.
In my view this is in part due to the pressure a heavy pass ratio puts on a D. And the GB game provides some anecdotal evidence of this.
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by BoyfromOz on Nov 23, 2009 8:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
ask the steelers last year how they won.....
it wasn’t running the ball
by TARHEEL PAUL on Nov 23, 2009 7:15 PM CST up reply actions
correct....Parker couldn't run for crap, I know I had him as a fantasy RB....
Mendenhall was hurt…..they won throwing the ball last year agreed..
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Your right they could run but they never abandon it.
The ply action work for them as well.
What did bludgeon ball produce?
A WIN!!!
KICK ASS every day!!!
by squidlo97 on Nov 23, 2009 8:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Couldn't run, dam mobile blogging
KICK ASS every day!!!
by squidlo97 on Nov 23, 2009 8:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Well...take away a fumble and a missed FG and it's 10 points
plus that meant less time for Jason Campbell on the field….
You never know.
Perhaps all that running kept points off the other end of the scoreboard, helped keep the defense fresh, and had an exhaustive effect on the Redskins’ D that helped loosen up the Dallas passing game.
Campbell was great on 3rd-downs…best to keep the ball away, especially when a short passing game is not doing it.
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
by Aaron Novinger on Nov 23, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
Truth Is Garrett and.or Romo
Still passed more than necessary but for the last drive; too many first down passes and second and five throws; the Skins could not and mostly did not stop the run. I think Garret is just stubborn
Cowboys should pass on 1st down more IMO
thats the down you want to pass since defenses expect the run.
In Romo we Trust
The runs were apt for the coverage
The safeties for the skins were never in the box, i think its OK in these situations to run. Plus their D-Line was like a Donut…big gaping hole in the middle..why not run for it?
7 in the box means you should be able to run.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
because you're not going to run it
the whole way down the field, things like fumbles and penalties prevent it.
In Romo we Trust
So you are saying without penalties and fumbles the run works?
I have to say without mental lapses and good execution all of the offense works, wouldn’t you agree? The point is, they have the talent, I just don’t know about the mental toughness or the brains to accomplish what their physical abilities shows that they can accomplish.
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
I think the point is
running generally take more plays to move down the field. That means more opportunities for mistakes. And whenyour team is mistake prone, it means more mistakes and therefore more opportunities to stop yourself on drives. And I think we have seen that this season with this team. Romo has done a pretty good job cleaning up his turnovers, but others have “picked up the slack” in that department. Add to that penalties and missed blcoking assignments/blitz pickups and they kill themselves on longer drives.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
You can't always score in two plays.
Which is about all they seem to be able to string together mistake free. They just need to make sure everyone takes their ADD meds before the game. Why hasn’t Jerry gotten a trainer to do this?
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
re: You can't always score in two plays
Unless you’re Peyton Manning – e.g. the Miami game
Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain. Let your opponent graze your skin and you smash into his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life. Do not be concerned with escaping safely - lay your life before him. - Bruce Lee
GunsUp has a point
if the O-line is so bad or at least inconsistent then it affects the passing game as well. I don’t mean to channel Woody Hayes, but when Tony Romo drops back seven things can happen, and six of them are gawd-awful;
1) He can complete a pass – good
2) He can throw to Roy Williams – bad
3) The line can get called for holding/false start
4) He can get sacked
5) He can get sacked and fumble
6) He can throw incomplete
7) He can throw an interception
Luckily #1 occurs much more than #2-7.
Guns has some great points
But consider the other side. If making mistakes is a given (and with these guys I think it just is), only passing lets you make up the ground you lose. And that is exactly what we see on the field. Second and third and forever.
I’d love it if they could string together long, methodical drives. Nothing would make me happier. But you can’t call plays that some other team would have to execute. You call them knowing what you can and cannot do reliably.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
But right now the only constant we have is
nothing. We do nothing consistently. We have 3 good plays then two bad ones. The average play lasts less than 10 seconds. Can’t you concentrate that long?
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
It's a great question
Another one is – why? Why are they like that? I’d love to point at coaches, but they were pinheads under Parcells too. I think it has to somehow come down to the players Dallas has, especailly on the o-line where most of the penalties happen. I think they are (1) prone a sporadic mental lapses and (2) try-hard guys who make up for mistakes by doing things like holding, tripping, etc.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
that's a low blow raf
Had Barber not fumbled they score the td, go up 7, Romo stays clean, and they don’t look back.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
It accomplished not losing
winning is the goal. Scoring more points than your opponent is the goal. Scoring for the sake of scoring is not the goal.
"Right after the game, say as little as possible."
- Tom Landry
Jerry is putting the game plan in as we type.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
This is another one of those meaningless soap operas
the passing game as a whole is out of sync. If the QB and the WRs connect in Green Bay, Dallas plays with an early lead and all this play calling mess disappears.
Same thing yesterday. This time Marion Barber coughed it up instead of Roy Williams but he’s getting off light because this is what the crowd wants.
But who lost the G.B. game? The passing game did. And who won it yesterday? The runners? No, the passing game did.
Troy is right.
lol Raf is bringing the heat
The running game drove the ball down to the 16 until Barber coughed it up, and it was only his second fumble of the year that’s why he is getting slack. And also because of how hard he obviously plays and how much he contributes.
The defense won the game. It’s unfair to say the passing game lost it last week seeing as how Romo was on his back the whole game, I put that on the line. I don’t know how you can pick out two games in the year and say that that is the rule. What about the Giants game? They ran 0 passes on that final drive to take the lead, so the running game won it, but the defense lost it (or Romo lost it in the first half with the pick 6).
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
The point is
When you have slow, methodical drives, you run more plays and expose yourself to more possible setbacks – penalties, turnovers, lost yardage. When your team plays disciplined, largely error-free football, it works pretty well. When you have a team that does not – like say, i don’t know, maybe one of the most penalized teams in the NFL with a terrible TO ratio – you may play to your own strength (running) and STILL play to your own weakness.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
with our OL forget about long drives. penalties are part of the team's DNA
cant coach em, cant teach em, I want winners!!!. LOL maybe BP knew something more than us
Hey I'm right with you...
the longer the offense stays on the field it just seems like the countdown till someone makes a drive-ending mental error. On my former name I made a fanpost that mentioned how big plays cover up a lot of mistakes. How many times will the offensive guys say, “we made too many mistakes” before we realize they are incapable of consistantly avoiding mistakes. I don’t think they are mentally suited for a dink and dunk, ball control offense, so it hurts when they fumble big plays, have a bum knee on the home run threat in the backfield, etc etc
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
so time of possession
chewing up the clock and wearing down the opposing D are no longer goals in a game.
"Right after the game, say as little as possible."
- Tom Landry
If you have a team that can execute it, yes
If you don’t, it’s not a great strategy. Would you pass a lot if you had no pass protection,a crappy QB or n decent WRs? I’m thinking not very much. That’s pretty much my whole point.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
The cowboys last won the Super Bowl in 1995, right?
That year the lg passed 55.85% of the time. This yr the lg is passing 55.08% of the time. So you are right it isnt Troy’s NFL anymore, the lg is passing less
"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto
by Michael Cave on Nov 23, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
They didnt
the lg passed at that rate.
"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto
by Michael Cave on Nov 23, 2009 7:11 PM CST up reply actions
nope
Top 4 rushing teams, none of them have better than a .500 winning %
NYJets
Carolina 3-6
Tennesse 4-6
Miami 5-5
Top 4 passing teams, the worst record is 5-4.
Indy-10-0
New Eng.-7-3
Houston-5-4
Ariz-7-3
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You have to look past those numbers..
Indy, New Eng, and Ariz not only do not have a real running game, but their passing game is just really good. And look at the running teams. Sanchez, Delhomme, Collins/Young, Henne. They run because they have to, and their QB’s often lose games for them.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
well
The numbers are telling. If you have a good QB you put in their hands and let them win the ball game. If you don’t, you run it, and hope you can win it, and more times than not you don’t.
QB driven league.. The winning franchises have great QB’s, not great RB’s.
You can plug and play a RB, you can’t a QB. More proof that the passing game is where it is at.
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Where does that put Dallas though?
They have a good QB and running game.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
Do you trust Romo to throw it 40 times?
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
Yes.
I don’t trust Roy though. I think we need to get Hurd and Tree more involved.
10-Austin
8-Witten
6-Hurd
4-Tree
4-Tellus
2-Roy
6-dump offs..
I was watching Kurt, Peyton, and Brady this weekend. They throw a lot of dump offs.
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I'm down with throwing it to Roy more in the middle when he's tripled.
That’s just wrong, Novi!
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
by Aaron Novinger on Nov 23, 2009 7:25 PM CST up reply actions
What are you talking about
The passing game is off every year toward the end of the season because teams just t-off on Romo because we always abandon the run. A strong running game sets up so many things. Why are you denying that? A running game wears down the d and chews up clock. No one is saying there isn’t a place for passing or that it won’t score point. The point is that running the ball consistently helps the passing game.
"Right after the game, say as little as possible."
- Tom Landry
I like to think the running game sets the table for late game passing herorics.
I don’t think we should run more than we pass. It just pisses me off when we abandon the run. The 90 cowboys struggled or lost momentum or felt the other teams offense was getting hot we would crank up our running game seize back momentum, cool The other teams offense asses off, or simple make our play action passing come back to life and then expand that to the deep passing game. Romo can have cold streaks and this can bye him time to get hot.
When your offense struggles sometimes a little bludgeon ball reboots the offense and bring back an aggressive mentality. 300lb+ lineman need to tee off on much lighter Dline. It’s good for their psyche.
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by squidlo97 on Nov 23, 2009 9:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
give
Buehler a shot at some fg’s, during the break between games, folks days need to be numbered
by icouldusesomebaseball on Nov 23, 2009 3:14 PM CST reply actions
?
Buehler has a broken toe. Kickers go through slumps, just like hitters, pitchers and shooting guards. Folk’s has been long, but I’ve seen good kickers go through them. It’s annoying but you cut him and somebody else will sign him and he’ll be their kicker for ten more years.
that will be ok
lot of players do good away from here, so what? why still carry 2 kickers, folk is the suck at kickoffs
by icouldusesomebaseball on Nov 23, 2009 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
Idk Raf...
you can’t always just sit back and wait for him to get out of his slump. How long do you give him? All year? What happens when he misses a game-winner in the playoffs?
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
Folk should be given as long as Roy Williams is given to break out of his slump
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
and
stanback will probably be a great WR for the patriots
by icouldusesomebaseball on Nov 23, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
C'mon, you can't cut a good, young kicker just because he hits his first funk.
That’s a bit presumptuous, don’t cha think?
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...
by Aaron Novinger on Nov 23, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
im not saying
folk isn’t good, but how many more gimme fg’s does he need to miss before they do something about it
by icouldusesomebaseball on Nov 23, 2009 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
Wasn't Folk injured in the preseason?
He had a hip injury. He had surgery in May. Anyway, he’s probably the latest example of a Cowboy coming back too fast, and it affecting his game. With Kicking, if you miss one it can get inside your head, and who knows where it goes from there? It is a game of finesse, and it can be as difficult as hitting a split finger fastball. All we can do is hope that he hits them when the game is on the line. Folk is a top 3 kicker when he is on.
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"
Yep
Or McBriar needs to improve his holding.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
Another good post
One point I’d disagree with is that our run game isn’t suddenly better. Washington played two safeties deep AND haynesworth was out. Now…I guess its encouraging that with everything favoring the run game, we were actually able to move the ball….good teams can do that. But we’re getting ahead of ourselves if we think this will be the norm – our best two rushing games this year came against the GIants and Redskins, who both played their safeties deep.
But this team is a passing team. KC, Philly, GB played an attacking defense that we will see through the rest of the year. The run game did very little against them. That will continue to happen I think.
And just in general….you score points in this league by throwing the football. A run game relies on so much – you can’t have penalties or bunches of plays for short yardage (and our 2 yards or less percentage is roughly comparable to our incompletion percentage in the passing game).
We can't have a hurt and obviously inaccurate QB though
with that situation, we needed to run the clock, control the ball
by AustonianAggie on Nov 23, 2009 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
I agree thats all well and good when you're playing washington
especially the way they played defense. I am fine with Garrett’s game plan yesterday. I was fine with the gameplan against the Giants.
But that does not mean he should run this much when playing teams like Philly, GB, etc.
I thought it was made clear yesterday...
…that our offense does not work with a ball control attack. That means you have to string together drives of 8+ plays. We are not capable of doing that, due to our tendency to take penalties, Romo’s occasional misfires, our receivers’ tendency to drop balls at times, etc.. We need to be a big play offense, because we will not always be able to sustain long drives.
Some of those big plays can certainly come from the run game, but 4 yards per carry for 15 plays is not going to work for this team.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Romo needs to get into a rhythm early
and the only way he does that is by passing a lot in the 1st half. The running game comes into play once we get a lead. That’s what we should be doing.
You’re exactly right, we aren’t the type of team to sustain multiple long drives throughout a game. We need to attack down field early and often until we get a good lead, then our running game can take over.
In Romo we Trust
Even though it didn't....
It could’ve. We had a makeable fg that we missed. Barber fumbled in the red zone. That 6 points at least off the board. Maybe 10.
But that being said, we were much closer to putting up a bunch of points in GB than against washington. Honestly if Roy catches a couple of those balls i think we take off running and never look back.
Whatever Troy's motivaton may have been...
….I think he’s correct. The Pittsburgh Steelers were not a running team when they won the Super Bowl most recently, and I think it’s become pretty clear in today’s NFL that you do not have to have a reliable or potent run game to advance far into the postseason.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Raf I know you will do some analysis on this game but I thikn the strategy would be to run right at Ellis
or maybe they could go either way, according to the SB raiders site Seymour went out with a lower back injury in the 1st half and did not return. So his availability on a short week may have him out of the game. I think the passing needs to execute on some play action with a good running game. Get Bennet and Witten making some plays.
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Great stuff Fish
as always I also highly recommend Bob Sturm’s blog, and in his Morning After game review he shares some of the same thoughts on the game as you do, including re Aikman’s comments on the importance of the running game, and why the roof wasn’t open.
But I thought this graf was particularly interesting, for those who want to bash Garrett for the offensive struggles.
The Cowboys offense and Jason Garrett really did have the Redskins defense on the run before that final drive. One drive earlier, when they trailed 6-0, Garrett showed what he is capable of. After a 23 yard pass to Miles Austin, he really crossed up the Redskins on 4 consecutive plays. “13” personnel was used twice – which is primarily a run set – to pass. Then “S11” personnel was used twice – primarily a pass set – to run. The Redskins were caught off guard on 4 straight plays, so Garrett was doing his job well. But that drive was submarined by Leonard Davis being beat badly by Cornelius Griffin on a sack, and then Doug Free beaten by Andre Carter on a 3rd and 1 run to Barber that Carter chased down from behind. This is a perfect example of calling the right plays, but the execution falls short.
thats what I've said a million times
You can call the best plays but if the players fail to execute, it’s not going to happen.
In Romo we Trust
that draw was frustrating
it was 3rd and 2 and Dallas caved in the Redskins’ strong side. Barber had lots of room to run if Free could have sealed the backside.
i agree
He played well, but that was frustrating. You can’t beat inside on a run away from you and he did, but it happens. The other team gets paid too.
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That third and short was STUPID
What about a power formation there? The skins hadn’t stopped this type power formation the entire game; what about the unbalanced line or put a TE in motion to the strong side and attack for that short yardage and the first down? Instead, we try to fool them. I think we are missing the point in saying Dallas is a run or a pass team; or that you win with a pass offense compared to a run defense. Skins were vulnerable to the run and we insisted on finesse running and too many passes when a ground game would have mashed the Skins into oblivion.
The skins also hadn't stopped our shotgun draw
I’m fine with the all – Free should’ve been able to hold that block. If he does, you’re looking at a 15 yard run.
formations don't block
the play was there. The backside blocking wasn’t.
So do we stop worshiping Free...
or can we at least wait a few weeks.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
Not bad, yes
but a lot of people are in love with him already, despite the fact that Washington has a weak run defense and he was getting help at times on the pass rush.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
yeah too early to crown him people....he had help......
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
lol
yeah well it will take more to get a real eval on him, but I don’t mind a little overreaction given how worried we’ve been about the oline depth… if he’s even decent in his first start that’s pretty darn good…
hey, he wasn't a train wreck..
We can build on this!
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
your right,
OL injury led to the destruction of the team last season, and now even desent effort its like gold
the common thread in the last 2 games is
joe buck. he is very bad luck!!!
I really don't like him
And Troy is starting to bug me too
as much as I love number 8 in his days with the Boys I believe he tries very hard to NOT be a homer for Dallas
maybe Buck has just gotten into his head.
Hes like a parasite.
I’m not sure whether Aikman is trying not to be a homer or if he just expects the most out of this team.
Mute button
is a very handy device for obnoxious announcers. Turn off the sound and you miss NOTHING from the game.
If you get Cowboys Radio, tune in Brad Sham.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
Red Herring Alert
Look at the top 17 offenses in the league. Every one of them save Carolina is a playoff contender. (I’m going to toss them for this for that reason.) All of the division leaders are in this group.
Of the sweet sixteen only TWO pass the ball less than 51% of the time. Only the Saints and Bengals run more than they pass:
% of passes called
Bengals 48
Saints 49
Vikings 51
Jags 51
Giants 51
Packers 52
Steelers 54
Ravens 54
Cowboys 54
Chargers 54
Falcons 54
Texans 55
Eagles 58
Patriots 58
Cards 62
Colts 63
Smack dab in the middle of the pack.
It’s the execution, or lack of it, not the play calling.
Saints % is garbage
constantly playing with big leads will do that. They’re a passing team too.
Also…your stats may be a little off. Looking at nfl.com, we have 263 rushing attempts, 330 passing BUT we also have been sacked 23 times and Romo has 25 rushes – most of those were not by design. so we run closer to 57 or 58 percent of the time if I’m doing math right.
But your point is still a good one lol.
every team has sacks
meaning everybody’s numbers are skewed even more to the pass.
People seem to ignore the obvious
lack of health in Barber and Felix in the last few weeks. You can’t keep running it when the backs can’t go anywhere.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
Ummmm, WTF aren't we using Choice then??????
Young Wiz
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
I had been saying the same thing
But Barber looked healthy on Sunday. I think he’s back to being himself. Felix still doesn’t quite look like himself.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
foyes they have a big lead because they execute the plays.
When you have penalties, fumbles and drops aplenty you play from even if you are lucky. I got the feeling if Zorn were not inept and Campbel wasn’t with his 4th coordinator in 5 years Dallas would have gotten driven off the field Sunday. The team has a problem of playing down to the competition, and it needs to stop.
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
But isnt the lg average for passing 55.08%?
So you could rightfully say that all but the Eagles, Pats, Cards, and Colts pass less (texans are right at the average) than the lg avg?
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by Michael Cave on Nov 23, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
Looking at the stats...
teams like the Chiefs and Bucs and Rams and Lions all pass a lot cause theyre down a lot.
Its kinda backwards. Good teams score points by passing the ball with a high % with success and put up points. They then run the ball late which really lowers that %. Bad teams pass the ball a lot without as much success and so they don’t score as much. So they’re pass % stays high.
Its wrong to make the correlation that good teams are good cause they run more.
Honestly, the best way to look at stats would be to look at pass attempts vs. rushing attempts for a lead of 10 pts or less or something like that – when the game is still in doubt. You’d see that good teams pass much more than bad teams in that situation.
and even though I'm not gonna go look these stats up
you said in an earlier post the league passes less than in 95 – I’d bet that when games are in doubt, the good teams are passing much more than they were in 95.
It's how much you pass or run.
It’s whatever is working.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
Yup. And I think Garrett timed it out right yesterday to hit them where they were reeling.
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by Aaron Novinger on Nov 23, 2009 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
You didn't get the feeling he was overdoing a tad it in the first half
…just to prove a point
We were running it down their throats — why not go to the playaction earlier and put it in the hands of your playmaker Romo?
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by accidental innuendo on Nov 23, 2009 5:18 PM CST up reply actions
no i didn't
he was taking what the defense gave him pretty much. Run the ball, get into good 3rd down situations. Romo’s innacuracy made it hard to keep drives going. And Roys drops.
Yes, I thought the same thing.
I felt like The Count on Sesame Street…3, no 4, no 5, 5 runs in a row, ah ah ah!
Donde esta el playaction?
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by Aaron Novinger on Nov 23, 2009 7:18 PM CST up reply actions
Oh i dont think it is right either
but it also wrong to say the league is trending towards passing. This is simply not true.
From 1989 to 2009 the mix ranges from 52/48 to roughly 55/45. I do agree that 50/50 doesnt really exist.
I see that you are saying but “when in doubt” is something that is pretty debatable. I agree with a poster’s snipper above that it is about execution. You canNOT be one dimensional. Even when the Colts won the Super Bowl (THE poster boy for passing teams) they passed at 55.92% rate when the lg avg was 53.15%. So they werent nearly at the 63% they are now. I dont think you can win a super bowl like that.
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by Michael Cave on Nov 23, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
It's very much true, NFL is very much a passing league
Just watch 3 or 4 games each weekend, it’s fairly obvious even without using stats.
In Romo we Trust
+1 The rules make it a passing.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
It is the same as it has been for the past 10-15 yrs
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by Michael Cave on Nov 23, 2009 4:52 PM CST up reply actions
From a pure end of game statistics standpoint it is
but you can’t tell me watching us, Indy, NE, Pitt, SD, Philly, NO, or Arizona play the last three or so years that its not a passing league. These teams throw and throw a lot. THe percentages won’t say that cause many of them get out to big leads and run the ball more, but they get those leads through the air.
Im getting to that in my research
Looking at passing percentage does have it flaws. Im just trying to get into football stats a bit. Is there a site that I can score by margin down or ahead? Now THAT would be interesting.
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by Michael Cave on Nov 23, 2009 5:02 PM CST up reply actions
you can see some of that on yahoo's split stats
but thats kinda confusing also.
You could probably make a decent first approximation by just looking at the first half or first 3 quarters.
I don't think passing % is ever a good stat with indy
they can blow teams out of the water with their passing game. In competitive games (and they’ve had a large number of them this year, which is why that % is high), they are a straight passing team.
I'd refer people to Baltimore
They ran 58% of the time last year, to protect Flacco. The Ravens ran more than anybody else, and some people were calling this summer for Dallas to run even MORE than this.
This year, Cam Cameron took his training wheels off and he’s passing just as often as Tony Romo. It’s a QB’s league.
Great passing teams vs. great rushing teams
Coldhardfootballfacts have a ranking of the Top 20 Rushing and Passing teams of the Superbowl Era.
Here’s a summary:
Of the Top 20 Rushing teams of the Superbowl Era, not one has won a Superbowl, three lost the Superbowl, and only 9 out of those 20 made it to the postseason.
Of the Top 20 Passing teams of Superbowl Era, 5 won the Superbowl, 5 lost the superbowl, and 16 out of 20 made it to the postseason.
by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 23, 2009 4:46 PM CST up reply actions
I love CHFF.com
but those stats are about YPA…not total attempts
true, but that was the closest I could get quickly without running through rainforests worth of stats …
by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 23, 2009 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
that's very interesting when you break down each team........
I was surprised that the Saints run more than they pass. Likewise, I was surprised that the Giants pass more than they run. Goes to show that what we sometimes think is happening on the field, is not always reality.
Giants run game has not been good this year
and the Saints constantly play with big leads.
I wouldn't break out the anointing oil for New Orleans and Minnesota just yet...
after all, New Orleans has struggled in recent weeks with such luminaries as the Rams, Dolphins, and Panthers, and Minnesota is a missed Baltimore FG and a last-second Favre miracle against the 9ers from having the same record that the Cowboys have. And if you want to look at the other side, the Colts are undefeated, but they aren’t exactly blowing people out. They could easily have 3-4 losses at this point.
nobody is breaking out oil
just pointing out that nearly all the contenders pass big.
Ok. Then the
only question I have is why does every DC in the league say when they are interviewed that their defense’s first job is to “stop the run.” It seems inconsistent with the pass first argument. Green Bay’s DC said after the Dallas game that his defense had made Dallas “one dimensional” and we all know he wasn’t talking about running the football. I believe that balance is what is ultimately desired.
not necessarily balance but subterfuge
You need to have a good running attack in order to keep defenses honest. Otherwise they will just tee up the pass rush and swing away at the QB.
The problem is predictability. Garrett’s offense is as predictable and conservative in its own way as anything Bill Parcells ran, and that is saying something. I am able to guess what play is coming up way too much, and if I can do it, I am fairly certain the defense can as well
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
That is exactly
what I mean. DCs attempt to get teams to be one dimensional and have to pass the ball and then they can dial up their exotic blitz packages and kill QBs. The argument seems to be that this is a passing league and that’s how you score points. I happen to think it’s more of balance league. If you pass 54% and run 46% and you run 60 plays you will have 32 passes and 28 runs. Surely the dictates of the game itself would count for the 4 extra pass plays. However, if you stop the run you get your predictability problem and it seems most DCs in the league desire that scenario.
Not compared
to lg avg.
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by Michael Cave on Nov 23, 2009 4:31 PM CST up reply actions
OK but
The strength of this team lately has been the defense… Do we want to put them in two or three sequences in a row? Defense won the skins game and I would guess they wouldn’t have been near as fresh had we had a couple of those 5 minute drives turn into 1.5 minute drives.
MacGruber!
I wasn't talking about the run-pass balance ( I tend to agree with you on that)...
I was commenting on this statement by Fish:
Honestly, all of that is a far cry from being on a level with NFC leaders New Orleans (no losses) and Minnesota (one odd last-second loss at Pittsburgh). While the Cowboys struggled against their have-not foe the Redskins, New Orleans played have-not Tampa Bay and Minnesota played have-not Seattle and each dismissed their challenge with ease.
by pointing out that both New Orleans and Minnesota have struggled with lesser teams and eked out close wins against inferior teams. Heck, we handled Seattle just as easily as Minnesota did a few short weeks ago.
This game fells like the Bengals game
last year. Dallas won, but looked bad doing it.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
nah not to me
The Bengals game was F’n frustrating. Our d played like crap and our O took a long time to get going. After the game everyone was just happy to get a win. Theres a big difference between beating the Bengals in a game where you should’ve blown the opposition out and looked like you sleepwalked through and a physical Redskins game where your defense played playoff caliber football and your offense showed a lot of heart in a late drive.
I don’ want to be reminded of that win. Our wins over KC and Washington have felt very different to me.
Everyone needs to get off of Garrett. The man knows what he’s doing. If he was in NE he’d be heralded.
"On a journey to anywhere you can draw your own map."
Reminds me of what's happening to former Patriots o-coordinators
Weis a failure at Notre Dame and Josh McDaniels Broncos being exposed as frauds
Lets say we beat Oakland.
The next 5 games are 3 away 2 at home. What is the Cowboys final record?
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
I think
The Boys will lose to the Chargers and Saints, and beat the Eagles and beat Washington and Philly.
if they beat Oakland, I think it’ll be a 10-6 year
by what_the_crap on Nov 23, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions
I meant
The Boys will lose to the Chargers and Saints, and beat Washington and Philly
by what_the_crap on Nov 23, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions
oops
ummm …. I’ll put a loss since it’s in NY, so they’ll still be 10-6.
by what_the_crap on Nov 23, 2009 4:57 PM CST up reply actions
2-3 the last 5
although, I think that they could beat the Chargers if they play great ball.
I also think the Saints will win by at least 10. I have a lot of respect for Brees.
by what_the_crap on Nov 23, 2009 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think No will go 16-0.
You can hope Dallas is the one who beats them,also they could very well have their div. wraped up and have a let down. Maybe just wishful thinking.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
that would give this team a lot of mojo....A LOT....
but i hate how this team matches up against NO……
Yeah and a let down againt Dallas
don’t happen much. Wishful thinking.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
That was the case
When the Patriots recently visited Dallas. Both teams were undefeated, but Dallas matched up horribly against them.
This year, I think the Saints offense is similar, but we actually have the DBs and the interior defense to slow them down (health permitting). And if that’s not a big game, I don’t know what is…
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by accidental innuendo on Nov 23, 2009 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
Dallas doesn't necessarily have to play "Great"
to be the Chargers… The Giants pulled a Cowboys and gave up a game winning touchdown drive late, and are we ready to say the Giants have been playing great recently?
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
they've won
5 in a row, on a little bit of a hot streak. I think they need to play well to beat them.
by what_the_crap on Nov 24, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
i think optimistically they go 11-5....
that means going 2-1 in the divisional games and splitting the SD and NO games (beat SD and lose to NO)…
but 10-6 or 9-7 entirely possible considering road games to Washington and NY….and Philly could be pushing for playoffs in that final game
11-5 wins the NFC east
10-6 might win the east
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
Check this out...
Lurking in the foreground of Williams’ weak efforts was Redskins safety LaRon Landry. Asked what he thought about Williams by the Redskins’ official team blog, Landry said the Cowboys receiver looked “scared.”
“Yeah. I know he was. Y’all can quote it, too,” Landry said Monday. “Y’all can tell him right now, tell him I’m sayin’ it. I can say it right now: yeah, he was scared, I think. I told him he was scared.”
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/11/23/laron-landry-calls-roy-williams-scared/
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
yea someone already made a post on another threat about this
he looked scared to me, definitely. Its tough though. He got railed in that Denver game on a similar high pass. Its just a mental thing, i think he’ll get over it.
But still. Theres always something with Roy. Hes hurt or he and romo aren’t on the same page or hes playing scared. I don’t know whether he should be benched, but I wouldn’t complain if he is.
we need to get Ogetree more involved Thursday because Asamaugh is going to shut down RW or Austin..
and I’m not counting on Crayton to do much of anything….
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
I have a feeling Austin is going to draw Asamaugh......he is our biggest threat and they know it....
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Laron is a clown mostly
But Roy was undoubtedly scared yesterday, and rightfully so. My Skins were hitting hard, if anything.
I’ll give credit where it is due. Romo showed up when he needed to and our defense couldn’t make a stop when it mattered most.
Lookin’ forward to the rematch.
you guys are always tough
wouldn’t shock me if you take it at home in december, though i sure hope not.
not making excuese but im sure he was thinking of those cracked ribs he is recovering from
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
+1
it didn’t help that Romo was skying every throw across the middle.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
I'm sorry boo..
but a free shot at a WR’s ribs is a little different than just lining up and hitting a guy.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
Agreed
But Bennett isn’t feeling too good right now either. And that play where Laron and Hall dumped Barber on his head stands out to me too.
Same on the other side. Bradie James ended Betts’ season and it looks like Romo’s hip hurt Hall enough that he will miss a week. God, I hate the Cowboys.
You guys chattin' about any Olinemen being over the line of scrimmage on that TD pass?
Bwahaha…there’s a can o’ worms! Check out #63…MR. KYLE KOSIER!
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by Aaron Novinger on Nov 23, 2009 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
Yikes
I saw him out of the corner of my eye on that play, and held my breath, sure there was going to be a flag. He looked like he was what? three yards past the line of scrimmage?
Maybe he was an eligible receiver...lol.
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by Aaron Novinger on Nov 23, 2009 7:42 PM CST up reply actions
Don't get me started
And Ware was offsides on the play where Campbell was intercepted.
Refs gave us every chance to win the game too, tho.
Roy
is a joke. Tired of backing this guy. Your not a speed guy, so we can’t send you vertical, and you are afraid to go over the middle. What do you do well? Block?
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He does look cool in a visor.
But, so did Sherman Williams.
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by Aaron Novinger on Nov 23, 2009 7:22 PM CST up reply actions
yup...he almost got Bennett killed on that one pass...
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Did you see his post game interview?
classic Marty B saying the defensive guys are really big and he referred to himself as “little old me” I believe. Pretty funny.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
lol
He’s a cool cat, that guy.
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by Aaron Novinger on Nov 23, 2009 7:22 PM CST up reply actions
Seriously
this is what they get paid for. Have you criticized MBIII or Free or Kosier yet for almost getting Romo killed? Guys make mistakes and guys get hit. It’s in the CBA – sh** happens in football.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
lol why all the anger?
I’ll blame who’s due for blame and criticize who deserves it.. No one is safe from my wrath lol.
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"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
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Kosier or MBIII haven't.....
It happens, but we have seen many times this year Romo putting his receivers in bad positions to make plays…the most noticable over throwing, the reason RW has cracked ribs….
BTW, I would rather take a hit from a lineman than my body spread out in the open awaiting to get blown up anyday….
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
So are you saying he's doing it on purpose?
Otherwise I’m not understanding your point. I think Romo is attempting to complete passes as well as he can. Sometimes he’s throwing high, for reasons we don’t know. Are you seriously saying he doesn’t care where he puts the ball? I think that would be more than a reach. It’s not great for the WR, but it happens.
And I think that Flo letting Romo get rocked has happened a heck of lot more than precious Roy’s ribs being hit. In both cases, the players are doing the best they can to do to try to get the job done. It;s football. Everyone is exposed to risk all the time. Romo isn’t trying to get Roy or anyone else hurt, so you move on.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
Just like Warner wanted Fitzgerald hurt on this one:
Wow, a QB throws it high to keep it away from the D, and the WR does his job. I’m not as down on RW as some here, but the guy has to go get the ball. If he can only catch balls perfectly thrown between the numbers, he needs to find some other sport.
Or Boldin getting his face smashed in
I think Warner was so upset he was considering retirement after that play.
Anyone who thinks QB’s are trying to expose their WR’s to viscous hits need to rethink the strategy. Top WR’s get hurt and are replaced by backup WR’s. How does that benefit the QB or the team?
You can't stop Patrick Crayton, you can only hope to contain him.
by APerfectStar on Nov 24, 2009 1:07 AM CST up reply actions
Marty likes contact.
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by Aaron Novinger on Nov 23, 2009 7:23 PM CST up reply actions
no huddle
by the mid 3rd quarter i was wondering why dallas didn’t go no huddle for a bit. romo seems to thrive in that.
similar to end of game situations
which, like you said, is where Romo excells. I think one worry is a quick end to the drive, and possibly wearing down the big boys up front. I think it would be a good way to mix it up for a drive though, after they get a first down or two.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
+10
I would start every game no huddle. Whenever we drive the length of the field and miss a socring chance the teams goes into a funk.
Start with a no huddle and the rhytmn is there.
by oneforthethumb on Nov 23, 2009 6:53 PM CST up reply actions
Off topic..

Just saw this on AOL….you got to be kidding…..lol,.apparently, he this is a new product of his….
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Boloney
It doesn’t matter if you pass alot or run a lot. Execution is the key. This team does not execute well enough, nor does it avoid the mental mistakes well enough to lean heavily torwards the run or pass. Which is a shame because they have the personnel to do it.
Penalties and mental errors will be the the reason this team does not succeed far into the post season. I think its really too bad because I feel they have the talent to play with anyone.

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