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Why a Win is Not a Win

For the sake of full disclosure, I am chuckling as I write this, only because I know how many Cowboys fans think a Win truly IS a Win. Then there’s the rest of us, who came away sick from watching Dallas play like an also-ran. So we played a rivalry game against an overmatched foe and eeked out a win with 7 points. That’s 7 total points.

 

So, in keeping with my so-called role on BTB, I’ll take a contrarian perspective, partly for the sake of argument and largely for the sake of truth.

 

But just so I don’t get misinterpreted, let me play the Oreo game of professional feedback. Two positives surrounding the negative.

 

The defense played an outstanding game yesterday. In fact, it wasn’t since the Tampa Bay game last year that I felt the defense just refused to allow their opponent to win this game. During the game thread, I saw people posting things like “why can’t the D just stop them?” and “the D is putting the offense in terrible positions”. Come on, you know who you are... 

 

The defense gets the game ball (yes, there is only one) for the game. 

 

On the other hand (notice I didn’t say “having said that” for all you ‘Curb Your Enthusiasm’ fans), the offense had another horrible outing. The argument about coaching, play calling, personnel packages, talent levels and execution rages on, but that’s not the point. The point is that, offensively, they stink like poo.

 

During the game thread, I made note of Romo’s footwork and mechanics having broken down and having become Jake Plummer-esque in his inability to get comfortable in the pocket. His arm-only tosses consistently sail high, mainly because it is the QB’s ability to step into a throw and finish with their passing arm fully extended and with their thumb pointed down that keeps the release point where it needs to be on any given pass. Romo has to play better and with more consistency.

 

I also made mention of the O-line’s trouble with A-gap rushers (again) early in the game, which made Romo even more uncomfortable. In the off season, I wrote a post about Hudson Houck and how he could be Dallas’ hero, returning the O-line’s play to top-5 status in the NFL. Thus far, Hud has been more zero than hero.

 

Garrett has been roundly criticized for his play calling. Much of it is warranted, IMO. The WR’s have been criticized supposedly for not getting open. Much of it is warranted, IMO. The RB production has tapered off mightily since the first few weeks and Felix Jones looks like the third best back of the famed trio (he, Chris Johnson and Rashard Mendenhall) that came from the draft 2 years ago. Again, warranted IMO.

 

But here is what gives me some hope…

 

During the Bye week, Dallas regrouped as a team. They came out of the Bye with a bit more urgency and efficiency. They got to the line more quickly and gave Romo time to identify the gaps in the defense and make his calls at the line. The defense was also improved out of the bye in that the DB’s made fewer mental breakdowns than the ones they had been making (thoughts of the Giants and the Chiefs games come to mind) and reduced the front seven’s silly penalties like lining up in the neutral zone or umpteen consecutive encroachments.

 

Who is to say they can’t do the same thing when they have a 10-day respite after the Raider game? Every year, Dallas has a chance to reinvent itself during the Bye week and they’ve failed to do so…until this year, where they surged out of the Bye with a 3-game win streak where they beat two solid teams. So again, why not this year?

 

In the end, the biggest concern going into the December stretch run is the lack of offense. If Dallas can’t control the time of possession, move the ball downfield and score points, the defense will suffer badly as they play high-flying offenses like New Orleans, San Diego and Philadelphia (who likes to score on us in bunches in December).

 

Dallas can’t allow their season to hinge on more Shaun Suisham missed chip shots in December because Lawrence Tynes won’t miss them. Drew Brees won’t misfire like Jason Campbell. Vincent Jackson won’t drop the ball like Devin Thomas. Andy Reid won’t coach stupid like Jim Zorn.

 

Would I rather we lost? Of course not. I point that out because, invariably, those comments will come pouring onto this thread if I don’t. So please direct that kind of comment toward someone else’s post about benching this player/that player or someone who posts about our season being over. It’s not over. Anything can happen. But let me be clear, to any fan who has the same aspirations for Dallas that I have, yesterday’s game should have felt like a loss. Outside of a stellar defensive effort, there’s not much to be happy with from that performance. My biggest worry is that the coaching staff approaches the outcome with less than adequate fire in their bellies around what needs to change across the board to get where they need to go (remember Wade’s comments when they had a 1st round Bye?).

 

And yet, a win is a win if you’re Detroit. I was glad to see the Lions overcome huge adversity and roar back to win an exciting game yesterday. But their win should be placed in a DIFFERENT context than ours because of what their team aspirations are. Any win is big for Detroit right now. They were 0-16 last year! We, on the other hand, have to overcome the historical propensity to fold up in December like a baby stroller. We want, no, we need a Super Bowl win.

 

To do that, we have to play better. We have to win better.

 

GO COWBOYS!




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I agree with your perspective blings.

I felt the same way watching them flounder on offense. I think that this game on thursday will show what areas they need to work on; and then they get a 10 day period to refocus on it. I have hope as well that they gained a little of their confidence back on their last drive.

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Nov 23, 2009 5:33 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

You mentioned "confidence" and it made me go back and look at an old post

Take a look at what I wrote about Romo’s confidence.

Do you think he has lost some of that confidence because of the criticism pointed at him, the poor play of the offense, his declining accuracy?

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2009/8/12/986563/romo-de-constructed

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 24, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would say that he is trying hard to try and keep confidence that RW will be an option as a 1st or 2nd read in this offense.

Romo still goes to RW at times, but I do not think he is trying to force-feed him as much as keep him involved. I think he is dealing with the criticism better than last time. I think the low point for him this year was the NY game, he was under some serious scrutiny because of all the TOs he had and how it affected the game. I really feel that the team as a whole believes in themselves and each other to work towards winning football games; so Tony can be the QB and not worry about anoymous sources talking behind his back. Tony may never be seen in a favorable light by the media and fans when he has a game like this; but I think he has learned to take that in stride and work on improving his game. I still believe this game will show how healthy he is and if he can adjust to the injury that is going to at least still linger for this game. The oline and coaches need to make sure they put a good amount of running and max protect this week.

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Nov 24, 2009 10:56 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

As I read your thought-provoking post...

I thought to myself;

Is he describing Romo or McNabb?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 24, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This is the part of the season we have been waiting for; we all know the past versions all too well.

The last two games are troubling signs that loom before we enter the doom and gloom of the impeding december stretch. The drive last week to me showed who is willing to shake off the past failures and grind out a ugly win; last year the defense would have allowed the skins to score a TD or a close range FG to put the game essentially out of reach. Does this mean we are headed for a div title or a WC, honestly I do not know but we are all going to find out very soon how far this team is going to go.

To your repsonse, I could see how some of that mirrors what Mcflabb probably goes through in philly; he has to be pretty tough because he has been dealing with that scrutiny at least twice as many years as romo.

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Nov 24, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That is one way to look at it...

For my money though, it is hard to sit here and cite our team’s trend in December considering how much we have deviated from the early season trends of those same past teams. Consider the strong starts we had in 2007 and 2008 (5-0 and 4-1). This year we had a much less impressive 3-2 start with one of those wins coming in OT to KC. For another example, in November 2007 and 2008, the Cowboys definitely showed to be peaking. In 2007 Dallas easily dominated November and finished it off with a huge win over GB. In 2008, the Cowboys won against Washington and then blew out both the 49ers and the Seahawks. Granted, these were less than great opponents, but it was the most complete football they played all year. This year though, the Cowboys have deviated from that trend. They have played sloppy against GB and Washington and are playing extremely inconsistent football. Clearly these Cowboys are not the Cowboys of 2007 and 2008.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Nov 24, 2009 7:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That could be viewed another way...

Dallas’ offense picked November to begin their meltdown (this time without #81) instead of December.

And by the way, Specials hasn’t been doing Dallas any favors either.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 25, 2009 10:05 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

True enough

but the offense melting down in November would still buck the trend of 2007 and 2008. Regardless of viewing it as a good or a bad thing, the larger point is that this team is not holding true to their pattern of play seen in 2007 and 2008.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Nov 27, 2009 12:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Unless the pattern is worsening

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 27, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

All I am saying is that to use past years

as your evidence for how this year will turn out is perhaps not the best way considering that this team is clearly on a different season “path.” I am by no means guaranteeing a great outcome this year, but I am simply attacking the idea that past teams should be used to prognosticate this year’s outcome since they have clearly not gone the same route.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Nov 29, 2009 1:18 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And you are 100% correct.

In fact, the NFL may be the anti-trending league.

How else do you explain 1/3 to 1/2 of the playoff teams turning over from year to year…or the worst-to-firsts (too many to mention)…or the Gints beating the Pats…

This team has nearly 1/2 new players from last December. That December swoon is a mediot creation and nothing more than coincidence.

He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson

by Fighter15 on Nov 29, 2009 8:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Cowboys December is just a product of shoddy journalism

When all else fails, and you have no creativity….dig up the same retread stories.

by mhuff13 on Nov 29, 2009 12:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I can't buy that...

in fact, I think it is a cop out. The media statement that this team stinks in December is entirely defensible.

It’s like saying Jerry undermines his coaches. It’s true until it becomes untrue…

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 30, 2009 7:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's fine. What "better" way can you provide?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 30, 2009 6:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's not always the offense that melts in December

The Defense has had their fair share of meltdowns as well, like the back to back runs for 75+ yards against Baltimore

by mhuff13 on Nov 27, 2009 1:14 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

True dat

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 27, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, the offense is in full meltdown.

Don’t you get tired of being wrong all the time?

He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson

by Fighter15 on Nov 27, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I assume you're chest bumping over the Raider win?

Don’t you want to hold that thought until after we play a few more games?

After all, you’re certainly looking foolish over your comments about GB not being in the hunt, now aren’t you?

Man, your life must be a roller coaster ride of high’s and low’s.

sheesh!

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 27, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

At least I enjoy the highs

And while the lows are disappointing, they are never devastating.

My wife’s going through Breast Cancer treatments so I don’t take this that seriously.

Fundamentally, I just think it’s bad JuJu to talk crap about your favorite team(s). Hell, how can you justify Cubs fans?

He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson

by Fighter15 on Nov 27, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Can you at least admit

…you were chemically altered when you said Green Bay was out of it just because they lost to Tampa? They’re squarely in the hunt now and if Dallas doesn’t win the division, well, GB is just ONE game behind for the tiebreaker to matter.

And I know you believe what you think is what everyone should think. We’ve been through that. But what do you do, knowing full well that it doesn’t?

As I’ve said before, stop worrying about other people’s JuJu. You need to live and let live. It’s the path toward happiness for you.

Our time is up now. Here’s your prescription and please make sure you take them as directed. ;>)

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 27, 2009 8:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It will be very impressive if GB stays in the wild card race

After losing Kampman and Al Harris for the year. I’m thinking that’s too much to absorb.

by mhuff13 on Nov 27, 2009 8:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Mike McCarthy is a great coach

…and Aaron Rodgers is a fine QB. The question is whether he can survive another 5 games behind that poor excuse for an O-line. They certainly have the skill players to do it.

If the defense (a new 3-4 convert) stays stout, they will be there.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 28, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

A win is a win

but I hear what you are saying and agree. The Cowboys should have toasted the Redskins yesterday and didn’t. Hopefully you are right and the time off will give them the ability to make the adjustments for the Dec. run.

by oldboysfan on Nov 23, 2009 5:34 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Think they will?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 23, 2009 6:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

While they absolutely have to play better in the future

Why be disappointed over a november game? The season is loooong, and you’re gonna have good stretches and bad. We have no idea how this team will play in december. If we play well in december, we will look back at this stretch and say it was just a 2-3 game struggle in a long season

I absolutely agree with your points on where we need to improve though.

by foyesboys on Nov 23, 2009 5:41 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

also

washington has never been easy for us. they probably have played us better than philly the last 3 years – at least we have legitimately beaten philly . Washington has always been a battle.

by foyesboys on Nov 23, 2009 5:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We actually DO have an idea how December will go

…because until they prove otherwise, they have demonstrated of collapsing during that period.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 23, 2009 6:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

by this logic

NE should’ve won every superbowl from 05-09, indy’s defense never should’ve shown up in their SB run, the cards never should’ve made the superbowl last year, etc.

you really can’t predict future play based on past performance. This is a different team than last year. TO for one reason or another became invisible every december – whose to say miles austin doesn’t tear it up?

by foyesboys on Nov 23, 2009 7:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody...and everybody

The past is our best predictor until you think of something better. I’m interested to know if you’ve come up with anything like that, because if you have, I am going to steal it and win a Nobel Prize.

Until then, we are who we are, until we prove otherwise.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 24, 2009 9:40 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Lets not forget what goes on around the league

World champs of 08 lose to KC
World champs of 07 go on ugly 4 game losing streak and look horrible squeaking out a win against ATL.
Media darlings and winners of nothing Eagles lose to OAK a few weeks ago

Poo poo happens to good teams sometimes. We have a good team. The O is in a slump and should pull out of it (despite RW) Cant watch this team expecting to look like New Orleans. We’re not there but its no guarentee NO or MIN wins the SB either

by fretman on Nov 23, 2009 6:32 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Those teams have an identity

What would you say is Dallas’ identity?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 23, 2009 6:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would say

they could be considered a resilient team maybe not good enough to win it all but never seems to be out of any game regardless how bad things get sometimes. Just sayin the past 2 ugly weeks can happen to any good team

BTW…Eagles? Identity? You think??? They’ve had their problems the past few years

by fretman on Nov 23, 2009 7:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yea

I would say the theme of our season so far has been resilience.

Pitt has an identity. They are a subpar defense without polamalu with an oline dead set on getting their qbs killed.

Whats the Giants identity? Running the football? haha. Not this year. Their ol has been bad. Their defense has been bad. They’ve become more of a passing team.

The Eagles? Offensively they have the identity that they need big plays to succeed.

by foyesboys on Nov 23, 2009 7:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No doubt

red zone issues

by fretman on Nov 23, 2009 7:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

that too

Philly is the only team to come close to retaining their “identity” from last year with the blitz you to death defense.

But other than that….bringing up teams “identities” from previous years with all the changes that have gone on in the nfc east is a bad argument.

by foyesboys on Nov 23, 2009 7:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hardly

You live in a very existential world and miss the fact that ONE YEAR doesn’t change much in the larger context. The Giants may struggle running the ball, but they won’t give up on it. Pitt’s defense may be hurting, but that blitzing, flying around the ball style won’t change.

The Steelers have a culture which transcends their coaches. The Giants have a culture that began with Tuna and has been resurrected with Coughlin.

Dallas had an identity with Landry, saw it change with Jimmy and have not really had one ever since.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 24, 2009 9:50 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Eagles absolutely have an identity

His name is Andy Reid and his team reflects his personal style.

They are known for blitzing, blitzing and more blitzing.

Plus, I bet Reid could eat David Akers like a turkey leg.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 24, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but look at the chicago game they had 3 turnovers and if cutler had a decent game then

they lose that game. Andy Reid is part of their identity but is not the team’s only identity. JJ was their defensive identity their new coordinator may know the system but he does not have JJ instincts, his ability to know when to dial up the pressure; missing dawkins and the lost of bradely are big for the continuity of thier defense coming down the stretch. The giants are about to have this problem as well, antonio pierce may not have been an all world mlb but he was a veteran on the line calls, chase blackburn is going to take his lumps as the back up that has to fill in.

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Nov 24, 2009 10:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think a team's identity goes beyond who is on the field

Injuries to key players may rob a team of their ability to execute at a high level, but not their emotional and visceral commitment to WHO and WHAT they are. that comes from somewhere else entirely.

Does that make sense?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 24, 2009 10:23 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

no

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Nov 24, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

1+1 = 2 would give you trouble, so I'm not surprised by your answer

Living in North-central Eastern PA makes you dumber by the minute. Can’t you move to NJ?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 24, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Your logic says "1+1=3" to some... Attacking them makes you an @ss

Let’s say it this way, using your “logic”:

1995. Emmith Smith and Charles Haley go down injured and head to IR. Does that derail the “team indentity”? Yes, IMO those 2 players would have derailed the Cowboys, so, your “logic” makes no sense and makes you look dumber by the minute.

And you aren’t dumb, you do make sense, but attacking someone that has another opinion doesn’t help you.

Viva México! Go Cowboys!

by Chandus on Nov 24, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He didn't have another opinion

Don’t get so touchy.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 24, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I actually live in western Pa

and you have no room to talk about being dumb coming form SoCal where most of the nuts and flakes live.

Could you spell cat if I gave you the c and the t?…not likely.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Nov 24, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

There's a T in it?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 24, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey,

watch the NJ cracks my man.

by jevans1729 on Nov 25, 2009 4:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry

I’m sure I meant Ohio.

:-)

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 25, 2009 6:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree, injuries make it hard to maintain identity.

I just feel that both the iggles and gints have lost their edge on their identity on the defensive side of the ball. Both due to injury and new men in charge.

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Nov 24, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you think the O-line gets a pass

…since it seems, every year, they lose a key cog?

Even when healthy, I think the Dallas O-line has underperformed to expectations.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 24, 2009 12:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah the healthy oline was decent at pass protection and about the same at run blocking.

So an injury can be very bad if they do not have a decent back-up. I think they show flashes of good play, but they are inconsistent. The line has only one new prospect, flo is the red-headed stepchild but has a good rep at keeping pass rushers at bay; this year he looks a little less than he was last year. The other members of the line are overlooked by just about everybody they do not get any real attention. The looming worry is that the lack of quality depth and other than free who can the team depend on? Overall they get a pass because they usually do not draw a lot of attention, they limit themselves from media access. I think as a unit they all have deficiencies but together it gets muddled; we do not have one player that is the weak link over the other; aka proctor.

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Nov 24, 2009 1:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Do they still have a real identity, the giants oline and running game is what defined them.

Can you still consider them a running football team? They lost their identity last year when cheddar bob burress was gone for the season. The steelers have been known for good defense and solid offesive play, this year is a different story, poor attention to ST has cost them games, the loss of polomalu challenges their ability to maintain that identity.

The iggles are suffering from a lack of identity as well; they are young at several positions their inexperience key positions will hurt them when they could have relied on their veterans. The same could be said of the defensive coordinator, his secondary was letting WR get wideopen against the bears yesterday; if not for cutler’s poor throws they would have had a loss yesterday.

I do understand that this team has its own shortcomings to get over before you can believe in them this season. I think the players have the right attitude to take it one game at a time and grind out some tough wins; that does not gurantee they will go 4-2 or anything but I doubt they go 1-5 or 2-4.

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Nov 23, 2009 7:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

haha

+1 I made my post literally one second after yo made yours.

by foyesboys on Nov 23, 2009 7:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I've seen enough this year to believe

they have enough on O, D and ST’s to hang with almost anybody.

by fretman on Nov 23, 2009 7:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry I listed a few teams, which one are you referring to?

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Nov 23, 2009 7:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Admit it Blings

you were chuckling when you wrote this not because of the disclaimer but because you relish declaring war on majority opinions and then fighting it out in the trenches, post by post, reply by reply. Always outnumbered, never outgunned.

At the very least you always get a good debate going, although this time there’s not much to disagree with.

by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 23, 2009 7:08 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Dammit!

Can’t you find something in the post you don’t like?

I mean, come on OCC, there’s several paragraphs. Can’t you at least find a stat that suggests I’m off base?

Dude, you’re killin’ me here…

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 24, 2009 9:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well

those nugget posts drain every last stat out of my system. But I’ve got one left, in reply to one of your comments about the inability to control the time of possession (I’m allowed to nit-pick here, since you asked for it).

Dallas’ TOP for the season is 30:28. That’s pretty average, and ranks 13th in the league. Subjectively, I would agree that particularly in the WAS game, we were being run off the field at a record setting pace, and lost the TOP battle. Not so. Dallas had 31:26 TOP.

In fact, we’ve lost on TOP only four times this season: Against NYG (25:11) and GB (24:02) and, surprisingly, against TB (26:26) and ATL (28:52).

Overall, I’d say we’ve been able to control the TOP pretty well (apart from the NYG and GB epic fails) and when we’ve set our offense on cruise control and are coasting (TB, ATL) TOP doesn’t mean that much.

by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 24, 2009 5:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't encourage him.

Just because it’s well written does not make it true.

Again and again, Blings strokes his pet cats (Wade, Romo, Garrett, BC, etc) and pounces everytime there’s a shred of evidence that supports his warped sense of fandom.

You want the truth? Blings can’t handle the truth!

He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson

by Fighter15 on Nov 24, 2009 7:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's funny, dude.

I can see you’re trying to develop a lighter-hearted view of the world and not take everything so seriously. There must be a new special someone in your life. Either that or the pills are from your shrink are having the desired effect.

Either way, I am happy for you.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 25, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

one thing to disagree with

Easy. “We can’t count on Andy Reid to make poor coaching decisions.” Based on your degree of confidence that the past will predict the future a bad coaching decision from Andy Reid is a pretty good bet. Just ask an Eagle fan- they have a list.

by Omer on Nov 24, 2009 10:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That would make sense if Reid was 7-14 against Dallas

But he’s 14-7 (notice the difference?)

Nice try though.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 25, 2009 10:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Recommend

Is playing smart too much to ask?

by silverblue5 on Nov 23, 2009 7:18 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

pretty difficult to be mechanically sound

when you have a knot in your lower back and can’t plant and throw like you normally do. Of course you ignore this for obvious reasons.

BTW, a win is a win. They don’t give you style points for looking pretty. Steelers won many games last season that were very ugly but in the end they held up the Lombardi Trophy.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Nov 23, 2009 7:29 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

and these wins

play a large part in your ability to get into the playoffs. The reason the Eagles have to sneak in every year is cause they lose 2 or 3 of these games every year.

by foyesboys on Nov 23, 2009 7:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He was 2 of 5 for 7 yards before the nick

Maybe his pinkie was sore?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 24, 2009 9:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Romo starts off many games like that

before he ends up with 350+ yards and several TD passes….when he’s healthy.

He was hurt the second drive of the game, give me a freakin’ break.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Nov 24, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Was he hurt in GB?

What made his passes sail high then?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 24, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure his back affected him

but throwing high seems to be a pattern this year. Grizz’s comment from early in the season about imaginary 7’6" wide receivers is still ringing in my ears.

by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 24, 2009 6:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Terry refused to read that post so don't get him all worked up for the Holiday

I sent an email to Jerry asking him to sign Yao Ming as a Free Agent WR next year.

Problem solved!!!

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 25, 2009 10:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Legitimate Points

While I’ve repeatedly stated that I’m happy with da “W,” that doesn’t mean that I wasn’t frustrated with yesterday’s offensive (pun intended) performance.

One more thing, our Boyz need to stop turning the ball over in the red zone — and be more opportunistic.

In my opinion, they established some rhythm on that early run-heavy drive. If MBIII doesn’t fumble inside their 20 and if Folk doesn’t miss that FG a little bit later… who knows how the game could’ve turned out. It just might have jump-started the “O” and turned into a 20-6 type of game with Dallas on top.

But all those “ifs” mean jack squat, because we saw what really happened… and we’re very, very happy to ESCAPE with the win.

I’ll take that as a consolation any day of the week.

Is playing smart too much to ask?

by silverblue5 on Nov 23, 2009 7:32 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hard to fault MBIII

It’s game 10 and he’s only fumbled once.

If I told you that before the season, I bet you would have taken it.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 24, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't Singling Out MBIII...

… just stating a premise of one of our offensive guys turning it over in da red zone and then our kicker missing a makeable FG — and how both of those affected the positive O rhythm we had going.

if we cash in on both of those situations, who knows, maybe we build on that and go on to score more.

just a theory.

not hatin’ on barber…

i love me some MBIII

Is playing smart too much to ask?

by silverblue5 on Nov 24, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Kickers are a strange breed

Finding someone who is consistent and clutch doesn’t seem like it should be that hard. I played in High School with a guy who hit a 54-yarder to win our Homecoming game. I think he missed 3 kicks in 3 years.

Amazing how few stud kickers there are out there…

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 24, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, high school and the NFL are so comparable

I’m pretty sure in high school you’re allowed to use a tee….that kinda of helps.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Nov 24, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Were you a kicker, Terry?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 24, 2009 4:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yes, I have kicking and punting experience

and kicking off a tee makes a huge difference

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Nov 29, 2009 9:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Once again Blings

nice post.

I was also frustrated with the offense’s performance yesterday but I was also happy for the win, cause I believe that at the end of the season it won’t matter HOW they won it, only that they won.

I am concerned about the offense, everyone should be, but I also am keeping faith that they will turn it around soon. At least they better before DEC rolls around.

"Coaches who can outline plays on a black board are a dime a dozen. The ones who win get inside their player and motivate." Vince Lombardi

by Boyz4Life on Nov 23, 2009 8:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Can you imagine playing the Chargers right now?

Scary.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 24, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Or the Saints?

I think I our DEF is playing pretty good right now, but to keep up with the Saints and the Chargers we will need to put up more than 7 points!

I am trying to keep faith….

"Coaches who can outline plays on a black board are a dime a dozen. The ones who win get inside their player and motivate." Vince Lombardi

by Boyz4Life on Nov 24, 2009 8:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Is it Garrett or Romo or RW or something else?

WHAT IS IT?!?!?!?!?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 25, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Garrett, Romo and RW, and more!

I think it is a combination of all of them and more. Garrett has to do a better job of changing up the play-calling and utilizing ALL the weapons he has. Romo has to be more accurate with his throws, RW has to catch the balls that are in his reach (that’s what good WR do). The other WRs need to get separation and catch the balls, o-line needs to give Romo time, and pick up the blitzes along with the RBs. It is the ENTIRE offense! Everyone has to do their part or this offense will not click.

Another thing I think would help is if they picked up the pace again like they did a few games back against PHL. It gives Romo time to look the DEF over and communicate to the rest of team what they need to do.

If I really knew the answers to solve the offensive problems I would probably be making a hellava lot more money than I am making now! lol

Still keeping faith…

"Coaches who can outline plays on a black board are a dime a dozen. The ones who win get inside their player and motivate." Vince Lombardi

by Boyz4Life on Nov 25, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Too much time at the line = a false start waiting to happen

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 25, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Still....false starts

are already waiting to happen. :)

"Coaches who can outline plays on a black board are a dime a dozen. The ones who win get inside their player and motivate." Vince Lombardi

by Boyz4Life on Nov 28, 2009 3:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Should they rename the false start a "Flozell"?

Matt Light just committed a Flozell, so tack on another 5 yards.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 28, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

A win is a win....

but doesn’t mean that you can’t still win and have alot of concern.

I felt better walking out of that stadium knowing that Dallas is 7-3 more than I would have felt if they were 6-4.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Nov 23, 2009 9:28 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Don't you think that sometimes a loss wakes up a team in a way an ugly win can't?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 24, 2009 9:56 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

But the amount that they have to “wake up” to make up for that loss is significant. Would they have “woken up” any more had they actually lost to KC? I think they woke up enough with the close shave.

You should roughly win two of every three games if you want to go to the playoffs. Losing a close one and winning a close one does a lot to influence your outcome for 2/3. If you lose that one, you have to win two straight to get back on pace. But if you win that one, you only have to split.

I agree with your post that wins are great and not tools used to ignore problems. I think you have many good points. But I think that you never take a loss hoping it will wake your team up rather than taking a win.

by Key19 on Nov 24, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well nobody wants to lose

I meant in the same way that few coaches want to go 16-0 into the playoffs because of how it may lead to an overconfidence of sorts a la New England.

I come back to how Winnie treated the 1st round Bye and how that kind of sentiment is now being echoed by Roy Willie. This team has a knack for not being able to take big punches and hit back harder. How they respond to times like these is telling.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 24, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Its nice to win anytime you can

and winning when you play poorly is hard to do in the NFL…we got lucky to win with a bad offensive production though a good portion of that luck is attributable to the Defense. Now we need to be 8-3 after Thursday, get rested and prepared for a December push. We’ll need 3 out of the final 5 to be 11-5. That will be hard to do given our schedule. Maybe 2 out of 5 to get to 10-6 will do it but that lacks momentum for a playoff push. We’re still not sure about this team after a 4 game winning streak followed by two bad performances, though only one was a loss. The first game in December will tell us a lot.

by Kansas Cowboy on Nov 23, 2009 9:43 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Last weekend in the NFL, some off the wall bettors got rich.

The Lions won, KC beat the Steelers. There is no consistency (save 2 teams, who may very well get theirs soon) in the league. Everyone else resembles someone bouncing on a trampoline, up..down..up..down. If you’re down and still manage to eek out a win, well, then a win is a win. These are the type of games that turn seasons..to win when you’re not at your best.

by Benthere on Nov 23, 2009 11:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

This confirms you are agent provocateur
So, in keeping with my so-called role on BTB, I’ll take a contrarian perspective, partly for the sake of argument and largely for the sake of truth.

Your “so-called” role is dead on, no need for the figurative air quotes my friend. And you have the reasons backwards. Partly for the sake of the truth, and largely for the sake of argument would be more accurate. ;)

No denying the offense needs a Viagra, they looked impotent until the end of the game.

You did fail to take into account Romo’s back injury, which definitely affected his throwing motion. I give him high marks for gutting it out and pulling a win out in the final minutes. Isn’t this what quality QB’s do?

Also, I have to say as much as I despise WASH, they have a very disciplined defense when they play Dallas.

A win is a win. An ugly win counts as much as blowouts in the record. So while you bemoan the aesthetics, all that matters in the end is coming out with a W. I’ll take it.

The defense is looking stout, and they managed to hold, on the final Foreskins drive to get into FG range. That has been a big criticism all season, 58 minutes of solid D, only to finally break in the end of close games. Well not Sunday. They shut the door, slammed it shut, IMO.

Room for concern on the offensive side, but defense looks good, real good.

Good post, I always enjoy reading what you have to say, whether I agree or not.

You can't stop Patrick Crayton, you can only hope to contain him.

by APerfectStar on Nov 24, 2009 12:21 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

except for getting off the field on 3rd and long, I agree with you about the D

but that should be fundamental #1, I think for a defense. Campbell was 5/6 at one point on 3rd down throws (including some dumpoff throws that were stopped a yard or two shy of first down).

As for the O, I just SIGH at this point. I’m hoping Oakland is good for what ails us.

by mdlusk on Nov 24, 2009 3:39 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought he was 10 for 10 at one point?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 24, 2009 9:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, he was

but not all of those completions resulted in first downs. Overall third down conversion rate was 7/15.

Or to quote Madden 10: “How can you get the 1st down when you complete the pass short of the sticks? What are they thinking?”

by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 24, 2009 6:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't that the West Coast Offense?

Madden never liked Walsh when he was coaching.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 25, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, I was referring to someone's BTB HOF post last week which said I target a captive audience with comment-provoking entries

Anyhow, here’s where your apologism rings hollow;

Romo has been erratic, inconsistent and high in games before his back-first tackle. His footwork has become increasingly poorer every year since David Lee left. Let me say this in a way you won’t misinterpret;

This is not about one game. Romo is what I thought he was, and while he has improved in terms of ball security, his accuracy has suffered dramatically. OCC, completion percentages for 2009 vs. prior years please?

So, while you and the rest of the BTB world coddles Romo, don’t expect to see me on that bandwagon anytime soon.

I remember living in San Francisco in the 90’s when the 49er faithful were saying their wins over the Rams and Falcons were just as good as Dallas beating the Giants. We found later that in the playoffs, the 49ers were not battle-tested because they played lesser competition and didn’t dispatch them with the kind of extreme prejudice of a champion.

That’s how Sunday looked to me…again. In Dallas, against a hapless Redskins team, Dallas plays esssentially the SAME GAME that got it beat 17-7 the week before in GB and people think this is better?

Dallas has a history of folding against supposedly “better competition” in December after playing poorly in November against lesser teams (regardless of how many they win) and Cowboys fans like yourself still wonder why?

So you saw them play on Sunday. Well, why would you expect them not to lose against San Diego? Is the light suddenly going to come on? Really, I want to know what you think…

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 24, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

60% completition from 64% is hardly suffering

You do however get the prize for embellishment of the year statement.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Nov 24, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Declining nonetheless

He’s ranked 21st in completion %. 21st!

Next year, what? 58%?

Your excuses aren’t even statistically accurate now.

What will you have to fall back on if he continues to decline?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 24, 2009 10:48 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Romo will be over 60% at the end of the season

so don’t get your panties all up in a bunch.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Nov 24, 2009 1:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh right, because his December #'s always rocket upwards

Take the Romo FatHead down already.

Put up Ware or Witten or someone else.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 24, 2009 3:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

stop hating bling

you own a Romo jersey for crying out loud

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Nov 29, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I WANT HIM TO BE GREAT

…but I am not blind to the fact that he isn’t. I still think he can be, but I am growing impatient for him to develop at a faster pace. After all, he isn’t 25.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 30, 2009 7:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Again, I see your point, the Cowboys have not peaked yet like SD,MIN,NO,IND,NE

I don’t agree with the Romo criticism however. He’s not a classic pocket QB, although if he gets time in the pocket he can be deadly. His ability to extend the play is what makes him special. I have to admit I am glad he’s stopped the study of Brady and footwork. I think it was a good idea, but seemed to throttle his natural skills. As long as he doesn’t turn the ball over, he gets a pass from me. If that’s coddling him, call me a codddler.

The difference in this year’s team is that the defense looks better and the ST’s are much improved. The wildcard in the mix is the consistency of the O-line in the running game, and the performance of Roy W. (It irritates me that he can’t be counted on, I flinch every time he drops one or doesn’t bother to look for the pass.) If his light comes on, Dallas has the elite offense we expected.

You can’t go by this team’s history in Dec. Every season is different, with too many variables to base predictions on history. Really you can’t even predict game to game what could happen based on how team’s performance seems to ebb and flow during the course of a season (ex. DEN, TEN)

Looking down the schedule, it’s tough. SD is playing well, NO is hard to beat at home and still 3 division games left. But who knows what will be going on with those opponents by the time they play. It’s no use getting upset over a close win against a division rival with nothing to lose. It’s still one step closer to making the playoffs, and then we can worry about what might happen.

You can't stop Patrick Crayton, you can only hope to contain him.

by APerfectStar on Nov 24, 2009 8:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No playoff wins and December collapses

…tells me each season is not all that different.

Couldn’t agree more about who romo is using as a model QB. He’ll never be a Brady.

I think he should study Steve Young. The way Young played the position in such a cerebral way (he’s kinda got Romo’s body type even though he wasn’t half the athlete Romo is) and made plays with his legs as well as his arm while taking care of the football and playing at consistently high levels would be a good place to start.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 25, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Correct. Nothing guarantees future results

Past performance is the BEST AVAILABLE tool for predicting future outcomes.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 25, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Predicting outcomes in the NFL is insane in my opionion

Every year the ‘experts’ are way off base on their predictions.

by mhuff13 on Nov 25, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's why you never want to be an 'expert'

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 27, 2009 8:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

After thinking about this

this game was like the polar opposite to the giants game for me. After the GIants game, we were all trying to take positives from it like our run game and decent defensive performance. I had a feeling after that game that we totally wasted one of the 4 or so really good run performances we would have this year. Felix just sliced and diced their D.

This game we got a top flight defensive effort, and the offense didn’t waste it (though they came close). You’re not gonna have all your units clicking all the time throughout the whole year, and its been nice seeing this team go 2-1 in this stretch (I’ll include philly since i don’t think we played much better against them)

by foyesboys on Nov 24, 2009 12:50 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

So you admit it!

You commented before actually THINKING about it!!!

HA!

:-)

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 24, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I see your point, however...

A win is a win is a win. Every team has games like this during the season at some point. Not every single game is a pretty peaches and cream blowout. The most important thing is getting wins now while we can, because like you said…until they show they can win in December we can’t trust that they will.

Who says Drew Brees won’t misfire, nobody thought Brady would in the Super Bowl against the Giants. Since when is Vincent Jackson the second coming of Jerry Rice. And since when is Andy Reid not considered a joke when he passes like 65-70% of the time?

I don’t care how they get a win, as long as they get it.

by mhuff13 on Nov 24, 2009 1:17 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Then I suppose you'll care when they play like this and lose to a San Diego?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 24, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Key word being LOSE

I’m not delusional to think that we don’t need to improve. But seriously a win is a win in the NFL. Here’s the way I look at it:

The offense WILL improve. They’ve been too good for too long to not play better. They have just been off. And if they don’t improve, it’s all a moot point because we’re screwed.

However, a win like this shows that IF NEEDED the defense can step up and get a win. Sure, Washington’s offense isn’t the Saints or the Chargers, but we can only play who is on the schedule. If I remember right, Green Bay has a damn good offense and our defense played VERY WELL that night. Only a short field got the Pack most of their points.

These last 2 games show me that once the offense inevitably gets back on track, the defense is good enough to match them. And THAT is what makes for a dangerous team.

by mhuff13 on Nov 24, 2009 5:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I hope you're right about this part
once the offense inevitably gets back on track

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 25, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm counting on it Blings

Cause honestly, if it doesn’t come back it’s all a moot point

by mhuff13 on Nov 25, 2009 11:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We could be another version of the Ravens team that won the Super Bowl...

…okay wait.

I gotta stop hittin’ the bottle this early.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 25, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

A win is a win

in the sense that it helps their record but the offense needs to get on track. I gave this team a pass for Green Bay but they seemed to have learned nothing.

I don’t know how much of the blame goes to JG but he does not seem to have a great feel for managing the game and allowing the hot hand to ride a streak. Romo was hurt but has been inaccurate for two weeks now so that only comes into play so much.

To me, the biggest problem is that Austin is getting double teamed and Soy is too much of a loser to step up and take his role as #1. Look at Wes Welker in New England, when Moss gets doubled and tripled, he makes the other team pay.

On the bright side, this D is rounding into shape and getting a bit nasty so I have hope for December and beyond. I hope you are right about the 10 day break giving this team a shot in the arm.

by Billito on Nov 24, 2009 8:51 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

If they don't do something big in that 10 days...

this December will be like the past Decembers.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 24, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The scary part was that it was a home game.

"On a journey to anywhere you can draw your own map."

by saidseven on Nov 24, 2009 10:51 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

+1

We play them again in December at their house.

Too many people are chalking that up as a ‘W’ for my tastes.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 24, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"Andy Reid won’t coach stupid like Jim Zorn."

This I’m not so sure about lol… Reid is a great Monday-Saturday coach but not a great game manager, and made some dumb mistakes against us just like Zorn did. I get your point, I just don’t think this is a great example!

and btw, a win is a win, no matter who the team.

e.g. The 10-0 Colts won their last 4 games by a combined total of 10 points, needing a last-second missed FG by Kris Brown (deja vu lol) to avoid overtime with an inferior division rival Houston team, and an arguably poor coaching decision by arguably the best game manager coach in the game in Bill B to pull out a 1-point last-second win over NE. But they’re 10-0 and no one is saying they don’t deserve to be, or that any of those wins don’t count just as much as the rest.

Meanwhile with the Cowboys and Redskins, if you throw out the last game of 2008 when we had clinched the #1 seed and were resting our starters, over the last 4 games the combined total point difference between these two teams is 8 points, 2 per game, with no game decided by more than 5. These teams know each other so well and the Skins hate us so much, that you can throw out records and rankings and other expectations, and expect a close, hard-fought ugly game nearly every time. And they were the #1 rated pass defense and the #5 rated overall defense going into this game.

A win is a win, especially against the Redskins at home, and I’m just not going to read too much into this game in terms of what it might mean for the next game and the rest of the season…

by scottmaui on Nov 24, 2009 12:12 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I think the fact that Dallas CAN'T beat up the Skins, despite their down cycle, is the most telling of your points

Both have had similar playoff success over that span.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 24, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah but the same is true of the other division rivals as well

and that pattern actually goes back a lot further, I was just using recent years as an example. in 2008 the Iggles lost twice to the Skins and then made it to the conference championship. These NFC East division games are just very unpredictable and whatever you think you know about the teams often become irrelevant because they know each other so well.

by scottmaui on Nov 24, 2009 1:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

There's truth in that

The historical propensity for champions to come from our division creates a level of pride that shows up on the field. So, I’ll give you that because you made the point so well.

But come on, 7 points per game the last two weeks? GB I can stomach as a brain fart. The Skins at home? Not so much.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 24, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

but the Skins were the #1 ranked pass D and the #5 overall D going into that game. Yeah, weak schedule, but still….

it certainly doesn’t give me a lot of confidence, but I just don’t think you can project into the future too much based on that.

now as they say, 2 is a coincidence, 3 is a trend….

by scottmaui on Nov 24, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I hate those stats, mainly because I think they mislead

When teams get up on you early, they tend to run the ball to drain the clock and establish dominance in the trenches.

Statistically speaking, they are ranked 25th in rush defense giving up 128.4 YPG and 4.4 YPC. They’ve given up 8 runs of 20+ yards and 4 of 40+ while in comparison, Dallas has given up 100.6 YPG on the ground, 4.1 YPC, 5 of 20+ and 0 of 40+.

If you add in the fact that it only takes 15 points to beat the Skins (on average) you see why the defensive #‘s don’t make me sit up and take notice.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 24, 2009 4:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I was arguing before the game that those numbers were soft

based on their schedule… and in general I agree that these stats only tell a part of the story… but I don’t think they are completely meaningless either, and after this game I have to give the Skins some credit… my point is just that between the nature of this division rivalry and the Skins having at least a decent defense, I’m not sure how much you can say about future expected performance from the offense based on this game… and that a win is in fact a win!

by scottmaui on Nov 24, 2009 6:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What are you expecting from the Cowboys offense against Oakland?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 25, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

this one is tough to predict too

because Oakland has a decent secondary including Asomugha but gives up a lot to the run (30th in the league yardage wise), so I’d actually expect a similar game plan from the Cowboys, establishing the run and not a huge day through the air, but I’d expect them to execute better, put up a lead, and close it out with the run in the 4th. So I’ll predict maybe 175 yards rushing, maybe 225 yards passing, and scoring in the 24 point range, winning by more than a TD.

by scottmaui on Nov 25, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We've scored 34 total in 3 games (11.3 avg.)

I’ll take 24 against Oakland.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 25, 2009 2:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How funny

Average score is 13-11 with us losing.

I’m telling you…just like the year the Ravens won it!!!

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 25, 2009 7:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"scoring in the 24 point range"

well I nailed that one lol.

195 yard rushing, 299 yards passing, underestimated those but not too far off all the way around

by scottmaui on Nov 26, 2009 6:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Some big plays messed up your yardage predictions

…but outstanding call on the score!!!

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 27, 2009 11:03 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

“not a huge day through the air” not quite accurate lol… (Romo actually had 309 yards passing but I guess they take the sack yards off for the net)

by scottmaui on Nov 27, 2009 11:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody bets the yards...just the points...hmmm

So, not that I am going to Vegas and placing money on the over/under or anything…but…just for…spits and giggles…what are you predicting for next game?

Again, no pressure or anything…

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 27, 2009 8:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

predictions fanpost

i was thinking we should make a fanpost before each game for everyone to put up their predictions. some of us do at the start of the game thread, but it gets lost and we never go back and check them. would be kind of fun to see who gets closest each week. score with maybe over/under and yardage as tiebreakers…

but anyway, i may revise this by the end of the week, but right now i’d say about 27-17.

btw i predicted 31-13 vs. the Skins, so definitely don’t take it to vegas lol

by scottmaui on Nov 28, 2009 3:36 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i completely agree with the andy reid comment. he makes awful decisions and costs his team games.

by DavidLaFleur on Nov 24, 2009 3:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

My two cents on the game was that dallas had more pressure to perform than the skins

The skins came in with a zombie of a HC (he not longer calls the plays) injuries all over the offensive side of the ball and their season is pretty much over at 3-6 (as one skins fans said this season isn’t dead it’s a prison sentence). The skins came to give it their all against a team they feel that they have the edge over in the rivalry. Dallas is the one with something to prove at this point in the season. I think dallas let the fumble in the 1st quarter get to them, it robbed them of their momentum they were building and they did not find it again until they were down to what they knew was their last chance. The game had very similar overtones as the GB game; except due to the success the running game had on keeping drives alive longer than a 3-and out it gave the defense a better chance to keep Was out of the endzone.

I think this is a offense like the gints, they need to be leading to play the type of offense they want, a ball control offense that makes a few big plays for scores. Dallas wants to have 7-9 play drives that score TD and one or two big plays to build a lead. The running game is used to lean on the clock during these drives.

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Nov 24, 2009 2:07 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

What you're describing is not a mentally tough Cowboys team...

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 24, 2009 3:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

True, it does not

I think what I am trying to say is that dallas seems to respond better to adversity, the GB and WAS games showed they have difficulty dealing with success. The game coming up this thursday is the same situation, they need to beat this team, not from the position of the underdog, but from the position of the division leader. The game will show us a small look at how they deal with having to keep pace with the other two division foes who are only one game behind. Dallas will remember the game they let go of in GB and remember that because of that game they missed out on having a two game lead going into the final stretch of the season.

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Nov 25, 2009 6:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Mental Toughness

It starts with an organizational culture and the head coach is supposed to personify those values and convey them to the assistants and the players. It then manifests itself in the way they approach the game both in practice, on Sundays and during the off season.

Resilience is nice. The ability to respond to adversity is nice.

Mental toughness is reserved for the elite. Those teams become winners. Those teams become champions.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 25, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That point is valid but until JJ steps down, dies, or changes his mind set we will have coaches

that will be of the type like WP, if not worse or a little better. The coaches will not be able to have that kind of structure because JJ wants to win his way; this will always undermine the credibility of the coach.

The conclusion you are drawing is the same one we as fans have always had to deal with, JJ is an obstacle to achieving the goal of having an elite football team. JJ can get the players, have people in place to have a decent to good draft but he is still an obstacle to how the team is run. I do not think that is what you were driving at with your post but the description you provide of what a mentally tough team is supposed to be will not exist on this team with the way JJ runs it.

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Nov 25, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I couldn't agree more

JJ undermines every coach he gets. That’s why there’s no discipline on any of our teams for the pat decade. Even when Parcells was here, we committed rediculous penalties.

by mhuff13 on Nov 25, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Grrrrrrrrr

This makes me mad.

Jerry’s not that old!!!!

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 25, 2009 11:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I know...

I came away from the came thinking we aren’t a very good offensive football team. I couldn’t figure out what the problem is. I lowered my expectations for now.

There are certain things I think need to happen for us to win. I just don’t see Dallas making the moves.

-More Tashard
-Bench Roy, start Hurd
-More Tree
-explain to Romo the power of the dump off

As long we trot Roy on the field as starter, we are fighting with arm tied behind our back. Roy made it 10 vs 12 last week. Both starting WR’s in the NFL need to be highly effective, Roy is not..

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by Wmillion on Nov 24, 2009 3:30 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed, however...

Romo has other weapons.

Telly B, Austin, Witten, Crayton…to name a few.

If Austin is doubled, why isn’t Witten or Telly getting more targets?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 24, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed.

I would ignore Roy, but it is tough if the play is called for him, and he appears open. You can’t always go through your progession. You have to trust the players on the field, as of right now Romo can’t.

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by Wmillion on Nov 24, 2009 4:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Landry said RW was scared

Do you think he was?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 25, 2009 10:22 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Who cares what Landry said

He’s just mad that his team outplayed us for all but 2 minutes and lost

by mhuff13 on Nov 25, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So you don't hink RW alligator-armed it because he was hearing footsteps?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 25, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Could care less what loser Landry said

We’re stuck with RW for at least the rest of this year no matter what we think.

by mhuff13 on Nov 25, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Unless he's right

 Then RW really is a bigger problem than I have made him out to be.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 25, 2009 7:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Still don't care

If a sore-loser division rival is right or not.

by mhuff13 on Nov 25, 2009 8:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

A win is always a win!

Period. That’s just a fact. Check the standings…much like golf, there’s no place for style points.

At least you acknowledge the outstanding play of the D. I’ll delve more late, but suffice it to say that this unit is playing better Defense over the past 8 weeks than any other unit in the league. If you take out ST & Offensive points given up (aka Pick-6), they would lead the league in scoring D, even with the 1st two warm-up games.

So the Offense was off? There’s a logical expanation.
1. Tony Romo was hurt. Badly. So was Witten
2. Washington has a top-5 Defense that’s got an outstanding secondary (best against the pass in the NFL).
3. Turnovers

I could list a lot more “probable” reasons (Free’s first game, Roy Williams acting like Roy Willy, Penalties, etc.), but it’s really not required.

When Romo was kneed in the back, our passing game got “bruised”. However, it would have been a very comfortable win if MBIII, Romo, and Folk hadn’t turned the ball over.

To nitpick such an important win (Division, tough circumstance, the freakin’ Deadskins) is very schadenfreudish.

He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson

by Fighter15 on Nov 24, 2009 8:12 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Welcome to Fighter15's World of Apologism

Only he doesn’t come around much after those stinging defeats to Philly late in the season. He checks himself into a facility that has round-the-clock supervision until the pain subsides and he can renew his faith in the Cowboys that isn’t based on watching them actually play the game.

Okay, here we go -

The D is playing very well. But stop with the silly commentary about taking out ST and offensive points given up. If you do that for Dallas, you have to do that for all teams. They’re playing well…let’s leave it there. Now about your other comments…

1. Romo has been erratic (high, behind, off) all year. The back is an excuse. Frankly, he didn’t look a lot different to me than he did in GB. In fact, he had 2 turnovers that hurt us in GB.

2. Atlanta hung 31 on them 2 weeks ago, Philly dropped 27. But, they held vaunted offenses from TB, Rams, KC and Dallas to 14 or less. Yeah…top 5. My advice? Get NFL Sunday ticket so you can actually watch them play.

3. Romo’s INT was meaningless. The team is going to have one turnover per game, generally speaking.

Don’t beat up on Folk and use him as a goat. It’s not like Suisham outplayed him. :-)

So, do you have anything to offer here that isn’t easily eroded with facts?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 25, 2009 10:49 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I've never apologized for Romo.

I’m still not a (complete) believer. But cut the dude a break!

Many of us old men have had back injuries. There’s nothing, I repeat nothing, worse than a bad back. That’s all I’m saying.

As for Number 2…get over yourself. The Foreskins have the #1 ranked pass defense in the league. That’s a simple fact. They must be doing something right?

  1. is really weak. You’re saying that 3 turnovers mean nothing? 2 in the red zone?

OK, I’ll add drive-killing penalties and dropped passes. I said it was a real stinker performance. But you have to admit that there were extenuating circumstances.

Hey

He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson

by Fighter15 on Nov 25, 2009 9:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Fiction

You’re right. You said Romo might have…I think you called it “choke tendencies”? That one had me falling off my chair.

I didn’t know we were arguing about old guy backs. I thought it was a bruise to a 29-year old who was 2 out of 5 for 7 yards before the bruise and was throwing high and wide since, oh, 2008.

We went over this issue about the skins D. They are getting behind early and teams don’t NEED to throw on them. Look at their sacks and INT’s on defense. Do those numbers vary dramatically from Dallas’? But you probably already knew that and were just arguing for the sake of arguing. At least you are consistent. But don’t make me get OCC after you with graphs and charts. :-)

I’m not demeaning the turnovers except to say that they aren’t the reason we played so badly. And BTW, if you’re going to turn the ball over, wouldn’t you rather do it on their side of the field? The defense held them to 6 lousy points.

Extenuating circumstances? I think you misused the term. What you meant to ask (I think) was, “don’t you think there were things about this performance that made it an anomaly?” Let me know if I got that wrong.

While it is a fair question, I would say that Dallas has not played a solid, complete game on offense save for maybe the Atlanta and Seattle games (so 2 of 10 games). The offense was not dissimilar to last week’s in the Denver game or against Philly. In fact, even in the games we won like TB and KC, there were too many of the penalties, dropped passes and poorly thrown balls. Watch that TB first half again. It’s downright painful.

I don’t know the root cause…starting to believe it may be Garrett as DallasPalace says (over and over and over…kinda how I treat Winnie), but again, it’s more likely the offense will struggle than go off.

Happy Thanksgiving Fighter15

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 25, 2009 10:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Happy Turkey Day to you, too

But you’re still wrong.

He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson

by Fighter15 on Nov 26, 2009 1:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought I was wrong once. I later found that to be a falsehood.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 27, 2009 8:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Chuck Norris once got into a staring contest with the sun and won

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 27, 2009 8:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No, it isn't

I haven’t been posted here very long, but been lurking for a while. I always appreciate what most of the fans here have to say, and for me, 5Blings has stood out. I tend to agree with him, for the most part, so that helps.

So I won’t try to speak for him — he’s more than capable of that himself, as we all see — but I think I get what he’s saying.

Of course this is an “objective” win — we scored more points, we get the W, we benefit in the standings.

However, I would not called it a “subjective” win. And to me, a subjective win playing beyond our supposed skill level (overachieving), maybe under adverse circumstances (road, back to the wall, etc.), and in a way that demonstrates growing momentum and improved chances of success in the near future.

That’s how I define the difference, and to me, the win over Washington was objective only. I’ll take it — but I am not thrilled with it, in particular in light of the moxy we’re going to have to show to pull off a winning December and be competitive in the playoffs.

And yes, even a loss against New Orleans, by a close margin, with us overachieving — that’s a subjective win. Trust me, nobody sets the bar higher for our Boys than me — but even I would consider that a positive sign — and a win, of sorts — because it would demonstrate our ability to stay competitive and make a deep run.

Our objective 7-6 win over the Redskins — despite our injuries, etc. — does not demonstrate those things, to me.

Some of you are satisfied with an objective win only. I want both. And I think a lot of us do. Otherwise, there wouldn’t be so many hopes expressed here that we dominate a game from beginning to end — which has been an interesting trend over the past few weeks.

The difference between objective and subjective wins is, I believe, what 5Blings was getting at. And if I am right about that, then I simply have to recommend.

by dfan77 on Nov 24, 2009 9:37 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

Subjective Wins

There is no such thing as a “subjective win” in the NFL. if the offense does not play better that will be a concern in December but there are no style points and no voters to impress. Time will tell as to whether the offense can get in sync, but at the end of the day a win is indeed a win.

by Omer on Nov 24, 2009 10:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Couldn't be further from the truth

But I expect that you probably haven’t seen Dallas get many subjective wins in the recent past and thus, have no yardstick by which to create relevance from.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 25, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This brought tears to my eyes...

It’s a write-up worthy of BTB Hall of Fame consideration.

You were able to articulate, in much more eloquent terms than I, the simple yet highly intangible thing that is the ‘journey’ rather than the ‘destination’ of a football contest.

I salute you.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 25, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

gag

you two should get a room together…

by Boundforbeach on Nov 25, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

C'mon BFB, how often is it that people actually AGREE with me?

Let me have my moment, will ya?

:-)

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 25, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I made you cry?

Just kidding. Thanks for the kind words, but you actually nailed it.

by dfan77 on Nov 26, 2009 3:49 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This was a very good post, I will Rec.

I’ve never actually seen someone break down “objective” and “subjective” wins. I really enjoyed it.

A fine example of this would be my Giants in Week 17 of the 2007 Season. Battling the undefeated Patriots with absolutely nothing but pride on the line, we lost…but everyone who knows NFL football is more than aware of who truly won that day.

"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E

by tito (eight and oh) on Nov 25, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Good example

I know Giants fans were proud that day.

Maybe that subjective loss set the tone for the big W later?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 25, 2009 2:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Set the tone for the entire playoffs.

Without a doubt.

"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E

by tito (eight and oh) on Nov 26, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well written post dfan

I guess fans can be split on the level of perfection displayed in the wins. Some are happy we escaped with the W, others like the fact Dallas won, but are more concerned with the way the offense didn’t exactly excel. Expectations are a biatch.

I still look at the final standings and playoff berths as most important right now. I’m enjoying the success Dallas is having so far. Hoping for improvement in certain areas. Also watching the other NFC teams gives me hope. Aside from MIN and NO, I don’t see another team more complete than Dallas. If we manage to make post season, the Cowboys could well be at the same level of play as those 2.

You can't stop Patrick Crayton, you can only hope to contain him.

by APerfectStar on Nov 25, 2009 11:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, APerfectStar

I expected to log on tonight and catch a lot more flack. Maybe folks are just ignoring me. Like 5Blings said, it’s a journey, not a destination. There are dynamics that go WAY beyond stats.

If there weren’t, every game result would be totally predictable, right?

I happen to agree with you regarding MIN and NO and DAL, too. I just hope we keep a firm hand on the rudder for the whole year — even through what I think is gonna be another rough December.

Cheers to you.

by dfan77 on Nov 26, 2009 3:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Man, I remember back like 15 years ago when you used to go to Texas Stadium and see the Cowboys play real good. jimmy was the best coach I ever seen and they just used to play real nice. This new team ain’t cutting it.

by sniffy wiffy on Nov 24, 2009 9:57 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

The defense has achieved much more than I expected

…especially, given their nicks and bruises.

Hat tip to Wade the DC.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 25, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How I feel.

I was at the game and I left with two feelings;

1) A feeling like it was more an escape than a victory.
2) A knowledge that there are real problems with this offense.

When I walked out of that billion dollar stadium I said, “Well I guess a win is a win.” Not enthusiastically but more of a concern.

I do know this, I think that perhaps if the writer of this article didn’t come off as someone who is sticking out his finger saying “I told you so”, perhaps it would have a bigger impact. I have rarely seen debates or conversations just “You are wrong and I am right.” articles.

Or perhaps I’m just not being “objective” enough.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Nov 25, 2009 2:10 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Focus on the message AFB, not the messenger

Then you won’t have to worry about objectivity.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 25, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I read the message.

I don’t even necessarily disagree with the entire message but…

I can’t be the only blogger who has grown tired of the condescending tones of some of these fansposts. Probably why I haven’t been posting as much lately.

For the sake of full disclosure, I am chuckling as I write this, only because I know how many Cowboys fans think a Win truly IS a Win.

We’re all Cowboys fans, all want the same thing, and yet there is that first line jab that is TOTALLY unwarranted and somewhat rude.

It pisses me off because I think you DO know what your talking about, but the way you express it puts people off.

BakedPotatoSoup isn’t rainbows and sunshine, but there isn’t anything he ever says that makes me think that he isn’t respectful of most of his fellow fans.

Just my take.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Nov 25, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Your take = hypersensitivity

I wrote that because I knew as I prepared to write this post that I was going to be (once again) up against the vast majority of fellow Cowboys fans who would disagree with me. guess what? Most people disagree with me…and I am totally cool with that.

When I wrote it, it wasn’t intended to be self-aggrandizing at all. In fact, it was making light of the position I tend to put myself in.

So AFB, grab a Fat Tire, chill out a bit and try to read my posts with a lean toward the comedy and irony that I try to point out as often as I can. K?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 25, 2009 7:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Please explain...

how there is irony or comedy in your messages.

There might be a hint of self deprication, but nothing really that funny.

But to go on your “message.”

There are maybe 5 people here that think that was a GOOD win. If there is seriously anyone satisfied and not just relieved than there is fabricated faith on this team with no real reason to believe.

Hell, I don’t have faith in them after a good win, because it’s like a crapshoot on what you’re going to get from week to week. Some weeks, they are good enough to beat anyone in this league, others they are garbage and could get beat by… well the Redskins.

I get this team, MOST people get this team. They are a (and you were right) a mediocre team that has the potential to be a very good team when they play smart and hard.

This isn’t me being sensitive, this is me trying to be real and tell you, that the way your fanposts come across get in the way of what you are saying.

But I’ll agree with you on another thing.

GO COWBOYS!

Happy Thanksgiving

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Nov 25, 2009 9:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Same to you

…and I’ll try to be…funnier.

;-)

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 25, 2009 10:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And P.S.

You are wrong

and

I am right.

;-)

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 25, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well said, my man Bat

He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson

by Fighter15 on Nov 25, 2009 9:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Answer me this then...

Why did all the pundits immediately ’crown" the New York Giants as the “team to beat” when they simply did as we did…After we had beaten them on both sides of the ball, and because of turnovers which should have cost us 21 points at the bare min imum, they were able to scrape by with a meager and miniscule 2 point win in that game…Did any one say it was an “ugly” win…oh, contrare, my friend…They went out and all but deified Sheli Manning…We dominated enough on both sides of the ball against washington to force them into the last ditch effort that eventually gave us the game..Explain to me the difference between that game and our game, and tell me why one was a “sexy” win and the one that we won was an “ugly” win?…FEAR THE STAR

by Hawgz, Bugz, and FilthyFowl Hater on Nov 25, 2009 5:52 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

If our game Sunday was any other team, the mediots would be saying....

A sign of a good team is when you find a way to win when you get completely outplayed.

by mhuff13 on Nov 25, 2009 5:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ummmm, no.

They’d say, “Wow, that team has one crappy offense”.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 25, 2009 7:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I have heard many times before

Mediots say just what I said. A team plays horrible for an entire game, and then pull one out of their rear at the end. And of course it shows what a good team they are to win without playing their best game.

by mhuff13 on Nov 25, 2009 8:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

RW

Its as simple as that. He cried, Romo and Garrett lost their sense and tried to get him the ball that first game after RW cried, and since then they have been off balance. Its the same thing as years past with TO.

"Right after the game, say as little as possible."

- Tom Landry

by BillyBates on Nov 25, 2009 8:23 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

You're saying they didn't learn from the T.O. debacle?

Princeton my butt!!!

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 25, 2009 10:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not buying that anyways.

I haven’t seen alot of things suggesting he’s forcing the ball to Roy.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Nov 26, 2009 10:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Romo’s definitely not throwing the ball downfield though (hence terry owing me beer)…

Defenses will continue to pinch up until he can beat them over the top.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 26, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think that

it is obvious some that some amount of credit has to be given to the secondaries of GB and the Redskins for the last two performances of the offense. When you look at Washington, for example, they’ve got Hall, Landry, Rogers, Smoot, etc. These guys are not garbage. Same with GB. Sometimes the matchups are in the other team’s favor. We don’t have a Randy Moss type guy that scared these teams so they matched up and wouldn’t let us get “over the top.” The other guys get paid too.

Also, Blings and AFB you guys play nice. :)

by jevans1729 on Nov 26, 2009 3:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

There aren't that many "garbage" secondaries out there anymore...

I think it has less to do with the DB’s and more to do with the pass rush.

GB overpowered Hud’s guys.

Washington schemed us well.

The Raiders had nuthin. But they were probably also emotionally drained from the Cincy upset in the same way we were after the Philly game.

Timing is everything.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 27, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

the GIants...

are ATROCIOUS right now. Their pass rush is bad. Everything is bad. We should be able to put a good amount of points up like last time and without some dumb*** turnovers to keep the giants in the game

But agreed on the pass rush concern. Chargers, Eagles will bring it. Redskins always bottle us up with good defensive play. Saints I think we can score with, that could be interesting..im liking our chances more and more in that game.

by foyesboys on Nov 27, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I said before the season...

losing Spagnuolo was going to be their downfall.

I think Terry agreed with me…which is strange because he says it’s always about the players and execution. Either way, gotta give him props for also recognizing that.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 27, 2009 11:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The DBs vs

pass rush argument is a fair one but kind of resembles a little of the chicken vs the egg analysis. Good coverage gets more time for the pass rush and a good pass rush surely can make the DBs look better. I think the biggest change from the Washington/GB offensive woes to the performance against Oakland was flipping Miles and Roy’s spots. Miles looks a thousand times better running those routes than Roy ever did.

by jevans1729 on Nov 29, 2009 7:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The one difference is this

A great pass rush makes below-average CB’s look good. The reverse is not true. Even Nnamdi Asomugha or Darrelle Revis can only cover a WR for so long.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 30, 2009 7:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Here's an interesting quick read on how the Raiders view the game and our offense

http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2009/11/25/1174515/gobble-gobble-getting-to-know-the

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 25, 2009 11:04 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

You mean Raiders fans

I’m thinking the Raiders look at it a little differently. I’m sure that everyday in practice they are simulating RW drops, Romo overthrows, and Miles getting 1 catch…

by mhuff13 on Nov 25, 2009 11:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Nice!!!

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 26, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, a win never feels like a loss to me unless there are so many injuries,

I know the team won’t be the same for the rest of the season. I would also disagree that it’s safe to overlook the defense giving up so many third and longs. I think you’re hiding your head in the sand if you think that will be as inconsequential against New Orleans as it was against Washington. If you want to argue that the D just did what it needed to do to win, I think it’s fair to make the same argument about the offense. In fact, I think both sides of the ball have work to do if they want to win down the stretch.

by Fernie67 on Nov 26, 2009 1:50 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Good point about the defense

They aren’t stifling, mostly because of the lack of a consistent pass rush (unless they blitz). Against the Raiders, the run defense early in the game was troubling.

But if you take out the Giants game, which I do because of Romo’s poor play, the defense hasn’t really let anyone score all that much. At the end of the day, while I agree they need to get off the field on 3rd down, isn’t it really about how many points they allow?

Now, I know I may be eating those words once we face SD, NO, etc., but thus far?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 27, 2009 11:11 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

nobody has consistentl moved the ball on this D since the Giants game.

The Broncos wore them down more and more at the end of that game due in large part to poor offensive play. The Packers did something similar. But noone has straight out beaten us.

The run game goes through occasional periods where it looks weak – it did the same against atlanta. But teams just aren’t going to put up a ton of points due to 10 minutes of poor run D, so that hasn’t hurt us much.

by foyesboys on Nov 27, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ravens...Super Bowl year...Anyone?...Anyone?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 27, 2009 11:59 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

2000

Worst football (talent-wise) ever.

Maybe Tampa’s run in ’02 would come close.

He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson

by Fighter15 on Nov 27, 2009 5:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that might be better. Tampa's offense stank that year until the SB.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 27, 2009 8:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm talkin' league-wide

Neither team in both SBs should have there. The Gints and Raiders were gimme opponents.

He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson

by Fighter15 on Nov 28, 2009 6:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Weren't the Raiders a huge favorite in that game?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 28, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Naw, it was about even

Gruden had just got fired by Uncle Al and knew the offense to a tee. It looked like the Tampa Defense knew what plays were being called.

He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson

by Fighter15 on Nov 28, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

One of the most unfortunate turn of events in NFL history

The Raiders fire Gruden, the Raiders don’t bother to change their offensive playbook (which Gruden knows inside and out), the Raiders finally make it back to the SB only to face…guess who, Al? That’s right, the one guy you do not want to play against and he’s got a damn good defense that knows all your plays.

I think that was the tipping point when Al became Crazy Al.

You can't stop Patrick Crayton, you can only hope to contain him.

by APerfectStar on Nov 28, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Raiders didn't fire Gruden

They traded him to Tampa Bay for 2 first round picks, 2 second round picks, and $8 million in cash

by mhuff13 on Nov 28, 2009 5:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You know who picked that Super Bowl in pre-season?

Jim Nantz.

Before the season started, he picked them both to meet in the Super Bowl.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 28, 2009 10:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd do it for Jimmy

…as long as Jerry went in the deal.

:-)

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 30, 2009 7:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Again, my point is that this could come back to bite the Cowboys when they face the

likes of Rivers and Brees. I give lots of credit to the D, and I love that they have the backs of the O and vice versa; the team cohesion is so far beyond what we’ve seen for the last few years, it’s downright heartwarming. But those 3rd and longs are troubling, and they’ve come against pretty bad offenses. Let’s hope that gets fixed, and soon.

by Fernie67 on Nov 27, 2009 3:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I need some OCC here...

How many of those 3rd and long’s are being converted by penalty? Is it proportionate with the fact that we’re one of the most penalized teams (because you normally think about the offensive penalties being the real buggers)?

Are we blitzing on those plays and just not getting to the QB?

Are we not blitzing when we should be bringing everything plus the kitchen sink?

Are the DB’s just playing off too far?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 27, 2009 8:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

from what i've seen

we are trying everything. I’ve been critical of Wade for not bringing enough pressure, but then Rodgers and Cambell made really good throws to beat the rush a few times. We’ve tried the kitchen sink approach a couple times too in these last couple weeks i think, and it hasn’t gone much better.

It really looks like luck when we stop a team on third and long. It seems like 2 out of 3 long yardage situations the opposition comes within a couple yards of picking it up.

by foyesboys on Nov 27, 2009 11:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not OCC, but maybe a little strange will help

Defensively, we’re just a little above average on penalties. The 3rd & longs are being converted at a near league-leading rate, lower than nearly every team in the league.

We actually blitz MUCH less on 3rd & Longs, but I’ve no idea if there is a correlation between blitzing and conversion. I’ll trust Wade to figure it out.

Why bring the house when we don’t need it? Too much risk for the reward. You want to give up big play TDs just to lower an already outstanding conversion rate?

Maybe the corners are off a bit, but Wade calls the scheme, and we’re now 2nd in Scoring Defense.

He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson

by Fighter15 on Nov 29, 2009 9:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I asked because I don't know...

So if you’re giving up 3rd down conversions at an alarming rate and you’re not blitzing, is there a way to mix it up a bit?

I get your scoring defense point, but will you be able to say that in 3 weeks?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 30, 2009 7:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I hope so.

The next 3 weeks will let everyone know if this is a championship team.

The bottom line is that regardless the 3rd Down conversion rate (which OCC & Raf so eloquently presented the debate) scoring is what matters. And the ‘Boys simply aren’t giving up the points.

He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson

by Fighter15 on Dec 1, 2009 9:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They aren't scoring that many either

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Dec 1, 2009 3:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

whats interestin about this defense..

despite the fact that we’re giving up third and longs constantly, they really haven’t let it impact them – they keep playing hard. This is in contrast to the AZ game last year where the hightower third and long catch seemed to change the whole game.

by foyesboys on Nov 27, 2009 11:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the entire team gave up on more than one occasion last year

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Nov 28, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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