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One-On-One With Rookie LB Victor Butler: Why Cowboys-Raiders Is A 'Civil War'

"It's like the Civil War,'' says Cowboys rookie pass-rusher Victor Butler. "Brother-against-brother, best-friend-against-best-friend, and all that. It's something that I'm used to, the rivalry thing, and it's one of the really fun things about playing football.''

And I'm officially confused. I'm trying to talk to Butler about his potential role in the upcoming Thanksgiving meeting between the Raiders and the Cowboys. So. ... what rivalry? And how did the Union and the Confederacy get dragged into this?

"You know, ‘The Civil War!''' says an incredulous Butler. "Oregon State vs. Oregon!''

Oh, yeah.

"And for me, playing the Raiders is going to be a repeat of The Civil War because I've got so many friends on that team.''

OK. Gotcha. It makes sense now. And it also makes sense to keep an eye on Butler in this game ... and he and I will tell you why:

Star-divide

"The times when I'm getting snaps,'' says the 6-2, 245-pound backup, "are a combination of when somebody needs a break; you know, just to keep everybody fresh ... and sometimes, because there's a certain spot in the game, or a certain play or matchup, that might be a good fit for me. Third-and-long in the Nickel, that's a good fit.''

This week would seem to be a potential cornucopia of those situations, if only because of the fact that Dallas is playing its traditional two-games-in-five-days doubleheader, with the unavoidable wear and tear possibly necessitating more of the "freshness'' that Victor Butler brings. If there was ever a time to rotate in a guy with young, springy legs and a full tank to propel the motor, two-games-in-a-week might be that time.

This year, Butler has been a Human Highlight Film of sorts. ... though the reel would only qualify as a "short film.'' He pops into games in limited moments but he does pop. ... with two important sacks in a Week 3 win over Carolina, with the critical shoelace tackle of Donovan McNabb in Philadelphia in a win on Nov. 8, and in last Sunday's 7-6 win over the Redskins with a huge third-down tackle of Rock Cartwright to plug up a Washington possession that ended in a 50-yard field-goal miss.

"I'm just trying to make the most of my opportunities and learn as I go,'' Butler says.

He's learning from watching tons of film. I asked him who he watches, which pass-rushers he borrows from and what he gleans from each of them.

*Elvis Dumervil, Denver - "He finds ways to use leverage to his advantage.''

*James Harrison, Pittsburgh - "I think physically, he is similar to me. And he's got that motor.''

*Dwight Freeney, Indianapolis - "The way he gets off the line and that spin move of his.''

*And of course, DeMarcus Ware, his Dallas teammate - "If you watch closely on the sideline, you see us talking constantly, before the game, during the game, even after the game, trying to discuss what we see, what the other team is doing, what there is to learn.''

Ware is obviously an outstanding role model, a guy who had 20 sacks a season ago when Dallas led the NFL in that category with 59. This season, the Cowboys are ranked eighth in the NFL in sacks with 25, and everyone is getting into the act. Linebacker Keith Brooking (not especially a sack artist during his years in Atlanta) has three.  Anthony Spencer is oh-so-close to putting up numbers. Ware has seven.  Nose tackle Jay Ratliff, playing a position that isn't usually a sack-source, has four. And Butler - a sack specialist during his junior and senior seasons at Oregon State -- is contributing with his three sacks. ...

And counting.

"I need some bragging rights this week,'' Butler says. "On the Raiders, (first-round rookie receiver) Darrius Heyward-Bey and (practice-squad linebacker) Slade Norris are two of my best friends. You can't lose to your best friends or you never hear the end of it.''

OK. Gotcha. Cowboys vs. Raiders ... The Civil War.

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Give em hell… for all 5 plays :|

"On a journey to anywhere you can draw your own map."

by saidseven on Nov 24, 2009 10:55 AM CST reply actions  

Great read, Fish ...

Butler is proving to be an excellent pick-up, he’s got the skills and it’s a good call that he could see more time on Thursday. Saidseven, thanks for the insightful (or would that be inciteful? :) comment.

Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.

by DalaiLuke on Nov 25, 2009 2:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Nice

Gotta love his attitude. He’s not complaining about playing time, he’s just trying to make the most of what he’s getting. I hope he does really well.

by Big50 on Nov 24, 2009 11:41 AM CST reply actions  

Not much of a prediction but...

I think the defense will have a big day, with Spencer getting his first sack. They reallllly need to force a turnover or two in the first half to put the offense in good positions to put some points up. For some reason I feel a beat down coming.

"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."

-Ari Gold

by Young Wiz on Nov 24, 2009 11:57 AM CST reply actions  

until the offense gets out of their funk

the defense will have to win all of our games.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Nov 24, 2009 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

now you're talking Terry

I couldn’t agree more

Ich bin ein Berliner--JFK

by HudBaby on Nov 24, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Bruce Grad

Didn’t get sacked once last week. Sure wish Jemarcus was back there.

I expect to see alot of running this game, that Raider secondary is solid.

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by Wmillion on Nov 24, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Bruce Grad

This guy was a huge playmaker in Toledo. I was recruiting up there and he was all over the news because of his big play ability. That was the year the MAC had Josh Harris and Rothlisburger. He was right there with them. No idea why he hasn’t stepped up to date.
He’s gonna be a hard one to pin down

by gunnerklein on Nov 24, 2009 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

for what it's worth

rudy carpenter got signed by tampa from the practice squad after leftwich was put on the ir. they also cut mickens who they got from our squad earlier.

by robolundgren on Nov 24, 2009 12:33 PM CST reply actions  

whats DeAngelo Smith up to? I liked the way he ran

by AustonianAggie on Nov 24, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I wonder if we resign Mickens?

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by CowboyMan on Nov 24, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Off the subject.

Just listened to Jimmy Johnson talking about RW. He said that RW should not be sent across the middle. He is an outside the numbers WR like Alvin Harper.

How bout dem Frogs!!!!

by DIRE WOLF on Nov 24, 2009 1:20 PM CST reply actions  

Agreed, and bench RW and play Hurd.

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by CowboyMan on Nov 24, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

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by Wmillion on Nov 24, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

After listening to Wade yesterday

and think it’s really obvious they will never bench RW because they think he’s a good receiver and will work out of his funk.

A reporter, I think it was Steve Dennis, asked Wade about the possibility of benching RW at some point, and Wade literally laughed at him.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Nov 24, 2009 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Good info

I was wondering where he stood in his coaches eyes. Thanks

by gunnerklein on Nov 24, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Benching RW

I don’t think they will bench Roy, but I do believe that Jones will either cut his salary or trade or cut him. I will say it again, I had Roy on my fantsy squad for several of his early years and I think he lost all desire to play up there. He just doesn’t over match anyone and therefore he can’t win the battle. This has been proven week in and week out. He has talent, but he also doesn’t care anymore.

Ahab the Arab
I say keep an eye on this kid, this Louie the Looper. He's going places!

by damnarab2 on Nov 24, 2009 8:34 PM CST up reply actions  

They = Jerry Jones, who makes the personnel decisions on this team, including who will start. Benching Roy would mean Jerry admitting defeat, and after doing so with Pacman and TO, he’s got a lot riding on being right this time.

by Baked Potato Soup on Nov 24, 2009 9:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I think he is here for the year and we have more hope for him getting his

sh!t together than relying on a rookie or Hurd. We need him to get it together and him and Romo to get in sync. Thats where the future of this teams lives and dies. The D is there, the special teams is there, and the running game is there. Roy is open a lot but between the bad passes and bad drops no rythmm can be established.

As far as what we are or arent going to do is not only not known but not even discussed.

KICK ASS every day!!!

by squidlo97 on Nov 25, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

failure is apart of the game..

Good teams don’t hesitate to bench player, regardless of salary or draft position. New England has been one of the better franchises in the last 10 years and they have missed on Free Agents and Draft picks-Adalius Thomas, Laurence Marouney, Chad Jackson, just to name a few. The difference is they move on, they don’t force the issue. It is time to see what we have in Hurd and Ogletree.

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by Wmillion on Nov 25, 2009 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

THE OGLETREE

(henceforth always capitalized) has no problem going across the middle.

FREE THE OGLETREE!!!!!!

FREE THE OGLETREE!!!

by dunkman on Nov 24, 2009 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

or throw it low

so he doesn’t get clocked.

Ich bin ein Berliner--JFK

by HudBaby on Nov 24, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah thats the way to go….

"What excites me the most is when a coach calls a timeout and chews out his forward because I just dunked on his head."
--Karl Malone

by spurscitizen on Dec 2, 2009 8:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Except that one of Harper's biggest plays was the slant he ran in the

NFC Championship game against the Niners in 92.

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by CowboyMan on Nov 24, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Johnson talked about that play.

That was suppose to be Irvin, but he and Harper switched sides. Irvin wanted the deep route

How bout dem Frogs!!!!

by DIRE WOLF on Nov 24, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

That was because Mike switched sides with him because the call was for the other side and Mike wanted the damn ball! LOL, yes, it was a fluke that he was there.

by gunnerklein on Nov 24, 2009 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

We all know the same stories.

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by CowboyMan on Nov 25, 2009 1:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Victor Butler highlights

Oregon State defensive end Victor Butler grabs four sacks in the Sun Bowl tying a Beaver record.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eGhB0hYnAM

by scottmaui on Nov 24, 2009 2:03 PM CST reply actions  

man he's a beast

Butler was very overpowering that game — showed off some serious strength.

i can’t wait to see him get more PT.

and i hope it begins this Thursday : )

Is playing smart too much to ask?

by silverblue5 on Nov 24, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I hope he does too..

Can’t see why he wouldn’t.. like Fish said this seems like the perfect game to increase his PT. At the same time though, the defense should hopefully not be giving up a lot of long drives, and if the offense is able to get it going, then the short week won’t be as big of a deal as it potentially could be. A comfortable lead would be a nice opportunity to try some things out.

"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."

-Ari Gold

by Young Wiz on Nov 24, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

If just once the freaking year we could get an early lead and put the other team

running a one dimensional offense we could see some sacks and domination but the close games require a certain amount of conservative play calling.

Sure would be nice if we could score 14 in the 1st quarter and pin our ears back and go get some.

KICK ASS every day!!!

by squidlo97 on Nov 25, 2009 10:56 AM CST up reply actions  

I think an early lead

would change the game completely for Dallas. As good as the D has been, imagine them when the can focus on the pass…

FREE THE OGLETREE!!!

by dunkman on Nov 25, 2009 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

+1000000

It would be a feast.

KICK ASS every day!!!

by squidlo97 on Nov 25, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

how could you do that to me Scott??!!

That game brings back nightmares for me!!

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Nov 24, 2009 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Good point on the conditioning

I think Free is going to need those 12 days off after Thurs. It takes time to get into playing shape. Two games in 5 days is a hell of a way to start a career!

Ich bin ein Berliner--JFK

by HudBaby on Nov 24, 2009 2:45 PM CST reply actions  

Butler looks like a future starter for us, if not a star. I was surprised when McNabb went down,

because it didn’t look like Victor got enough of him. What a tackle.

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by CowboyMan on Nov 24, 2009 2:46 PM CST reply actions  

He did lose containment on the play

and was kind of making up for his own mistake, but still a very nice tackle to snag his toe and upend a big guy like McNabb.

by scottmaui on Nov 24, 2009 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Dallas should be able to run on Oakland's D.

That could open up the passing game for some big plays. Something we haven’t seen in a while.

How bout dem Frogs!!!!

by DIRE WOLF on Nov 24, 2009 3:06 PM CST reply actions  

not to be a pessimist....

but the running game was off the hizzy early against washington….and passing game non-exisitant…

and oakland’s secondary is pretty good

just sayin

by McLovin9 on Nov 24, 2009 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

They better try more sweeps and off-tackle runs...

Because if the underestimate the beast that is Kirk Morrison, they are going to get stuffed a lot on these gut, draws, and delays.

by Damnsammit on Nov 25, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Jerry.......

Ask Jimmy to sign the damn contract while he’s there….demote Wade to DC. Send Garret packing already……Thanks.

by ManTab on Nov 24, 2009 3:34 PM CST reply actions  

Easy there Man tab

Since our awful Head coach has been in Big D he has amassed an abismal 29-13 record.
Jimmy was 19-29 his first three years in Dallas.
And Wade hasn’r even finished his third year yet, 6 games to go. Almost exactly opposite records.
Patience Grasshopper.

by gunnerklein on Nov 24, 2009 4:15 PM CST up reply actions  

dont want to start an argument, but

Jimmy was rebuilding a team and won two SB, on the other side WP inherited a very talented team and I personally I dont care if WP gets 3 more seasons to 13-3 and loose the first playoff game

by dcfanz on Nov 24, 2009 5:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Point

Good point, but my point was still that after three seasons with Jimmy we weren’t screaming for his head.

by gunnerklein on Nov 24, 2009 7:15 PM CST up reply actions  

which, by the way, was a good thing

coaches should get time to build a franchise without calls for their firing after each and every loss.

by mdlusk on Nov 25, 2009 1:39 AM CST up reply actions  

I'd like to see Butler get more of Spencer's playing time.

I know that Spencer is supposed to be a budding star or whatever they keep telling us, but one guy gets extremely limited time and has 3 sacks, the other guy is in for way more snaps and has zero.

I think Butler should be in more often when Ellis would have been in last year. That way for the majority of the snaps, Spencer is in, but Butler could utilize his pass rush ability more often.

by Baked Potato Soup on Nov 24, 2009 4:06 PM CST reply actions  

What do you expect I will see that will change my mind?

How about telling me what you see rather than insinuating that I don’t pay attention? I see a guy that is able to get pressure but either can’t disengage his blocker quickly enough or doesn’t have the closing burst to seal the sack. I think he’s a solid player, but in obvious passing downs, it might be time to upgrade the pass rush. Spencer has zero sacks, Ware’s production is down, and Butler has 3 sacks. It might be just coincidence, but I think that is because Spencer doesn’t provide the threat to collapse from his side, giving QBs and extra second in that direction. That affects Ware’s performance, too.

by Baked Potato Soup on Nov 25, 2009 6:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Because every game we play its close or we are losing and we had the best pass rush in the league last year

teams are playing us conservatively and our defensively D calling has been conservative. Nobody has sat in the pocket and had coffee. They are getting the ball out fast unless of course we rush 3.

KICK ASS every day!!!

by squidlo97 on Nov 25, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Let's compare.

Spencer has 4.5 sacks and 2 forced fumbles in 38 games, including 16 as a starter. Even last year when he wasn’t a starter, he got significant playing time.

Butler has 3 sacks and a forced fumble in 10 games, and honestly, I’m not sure that he has even been in for 38 snaps.

I’m not suggesting that Spencer lose his starting job or not play the majority of snaps. I just think that he has not shown the ability to get the quarterback down, and that Butler has. Last year, Dallas had a 3 or more pronged attack with Ware and Ellis on the outside and Ratliff in the middle. Then they amped that up by sending Bradie James from random angles. This year, Ware is producing, Ratliff is producing, they are sending MLBs from random angles, but Spencer is not producing. In very limited playing time, Butler has made plays when rushing the passer.

by Baked Potato Soup on Nov 25, 2009 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

He got in late in games with known situations.

Im not taking anything from him and I like him. He needs more snaps true,(he has earned them) but Spencer brings a hell of a lot more to the table not to mention he wont make as many , if any, dumb mistakes 1st year players bring. He needs a sack to get the monkey off of his back but has playing very well. He does well in covereage, plays the strong side of the field, he is always around the ball.
Irvin caught half the TDs in his best season than Rice did in his. You think Irvin was half as good. I damm sure dont and depending on the game and CB I would take Irvin over Rice a lot of the time.

KICK ASS every day!!!

by squidlo97 on Nov 25, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't disagree.

You can’t really fault Butler for making the most of his limited opportunities, though. Why not bring him in more often in those known situations? Like on 3rd and long, when you know they’re passing, why not bring in the better pass rusher? Clearly something needs to be done in that situation because what they are doing now isn’t working.

I absolutely think that Spencer is a very good 3-4 OLB, particularly against the run, and is the better overall player right now. However, although he provides pressure, he has struggled in finishing off QBs. Butler on the other hand has shown that ability in limited time, so why not give him more opportunities? There won’t be a huge drop off, because Spencer is not producing in those situations anyway.

by Baked Potato Soup on Nov 25, 2009 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Does more subs mean more BC?

Maybe we’ll get to see what he’s got outside the nickel package. Maybe he gives us some good highlight reels and he becomes tradebait next season? Or is that wishful thinking?

by gunnerklein on Nov 24, 2009 4:19 PM CST reply actions  

How much different can Oakland do Thursday

They will have to use almost the same game plan as Sunday. Two days to put in a game plan with a new QB and almost no practice should be an advantage for Dallas.

How bout dem Frogs!!!!

by DIRE WOLF on Nov 24, 2009 4:28 PM CST reply actions  

That's what I'm thinking.....

remember, they have to travel on Wednesday while we can practice. Huge advantage.

by Road Warrior on Nov 24, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep I doubt they did much Monday

a little work Tuesday and get on the big bird to Big D Wednesday. Like I said about Wash if Dallas can come out and score often and early Wash would throw in the towel. Well Cowboys sure didn’t do that and let Wash hang around and the Boys almost lost to a bad team. Don’t make the same mistake with Oakland.

How bout dem Frogs!!!!

by DIRE WOLF on Nov 24, 2009 5:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Bad news Witten may not play.

Wade said Game time decision.

How bout dem Frogs!!!!

by DIRE WOLF on Nov 24, 2009 4:34 PM CST reply actions  

Some Gradkowski college numbers

YEAR-COM-ATT-YDS-%—-YPA-LNG-TD-INT-SAC-RATE
2003 277 389- 3210 71.2 8.25- 66- 29- 7- 9- 161.53
2004- 280- 399 3518 70.2- 8.82 96 27- 8 14 -162.56
2005 -207
332- 2469- 62.3- 7.44- 70- 29- 12- 9- 146.42
In ’05 he won the GMAC bowl and was MVP

He was no slouch, but his senior season he had a huge let off in numbers.
Those of you from the old blog may remember I was keen on taking him back then as he would be a steal in the 6th.
 Helluva backup if you ask me.
Anyway, after reviewing his pro stats, it seems he has an issue with preparedness. He’s awful off the bench, and it takes him several starts to get going.

by gunnerklein on Nov 24, 2009 4:48 PM CST reply actions  

Boo to the Beavers, Butler!

Go Ducks!

I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...

by Aaron Novinger on Nov 24, 2009 7:35 PM CST reply actions  

I'm apple wood smoking two turkeys tomorrow so I can watch the game on Thanksgiving.

Getting the turkey done the day before, saves my time for football. Beautiful.

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by CowboyMan on Nov 25, 2009 1:14 AM CST reply actions  

So...

what do you use for rolling paper? Turkeys are sort of big if I remember correctly.

FREE THE OGLETREE!!!

by dunkman on Nov 25, 2009 6:51 AM CST up reply actions  

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