What weaknesses do you see in this Pass Offense of ours?
by DallasPalace on Nov 24, 2009 8:52 PM CST
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In my previous Fanpost "when are we gonna see Tashard again Garrett", I touched on the subject of helping the pass offense with a stronger running game and better use of all the running backs, not just Tashard. It's obvious that the point of the fanpost was the running game should be used more, but another point of whether the rotation of the RB's was being used correctly was also brought up.
Putting the running game aside as a reason, what weaknesses do you see in this pass offense of ours?
Or better stated, what things need to happen to give Garrett the passing success he so sorely craves?
Obviously better blocking by the O-line. But that is a subject that is a little confusing, because pass blocking is not one of the O-lines strong suites, even if Columbo wasn't injured. But saying better blocking by the O-line is an obvious thought. But putting that aside,I'm looking for a nuance of the passing game that is not so obvious, and seeing which one brings out the most reaction out of people.
Something like designing more plays for Romo out of the pocket?
More screens to Felix and Tashard and MB3?
How about more motion from the recievers?
What about 4 WR sets?
How about play action?
Too much shotgun for your taste?
How about the option to Felix, like Vince Young does to Chris Johnson?
How about more passes to Felix?
How about more passes to Tashard?
Whatever happened to Marty B TV, because I wanted to tune in?
How about Kevin Ogletree for more than just a bubble screen?
Success in only one aspect of an offense can translate into success in another aspect of it. No defense should be able to look at, and figure out, and guess that an offense like the Dallas Cowboys offense should be one dimensional. This will make it too easy for any defense. It;s inexcusable to ever hear any defensive coordinator of another team talk about our offense as though it was vanilla, and fans should be insulted by such reality.
What would be the type of pass plays that are best suited to jumpstart an obvious stagnated and stunted pass offense that Garrett keeps going to even when it's being stopped or just plain not working? Personally, I feel Romo gets into a rythym once he jumps the pocket and makes one of his trademark plays. I would think the best way is to get a play that is designed to get him out of the pocket to do just that. Maybe Garrett is waiting to unleash that in the playoffs. The problem is, we still haven't locked up the division, and the Giants game and 2nd Eagles game both loom as the real tests. And with they're rabid need to get to Romo, i fear he won't have the time.
So putting the running game and offensive line issues aside....
What would you have happen? Inquiring minds want to know......!
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I may be way off...
I can think of 2 things that I would like to see more of, and 1 thing that I would like to see less of.
I would like to see the backs involved in the passing game more, which I think would help with the sacks and continual 3rd and long situations. Our backs have combined for 3.4 receptions per game this year, compared to 4.8/game last year. The team is dropping back to pass at about the same rate(36/g vs 35.3/g), but taking sacks at a higher rate (1 sack per 18.6 drop backs vs 1 per 15.3). Last year, the RBs averaged a catch every 7.5 drop backs, this year, one about every 10.4. I think by having the RB engage a blitzer then float, they could help combat the pass rush. Some screens and other passes designed to force teams to slow their pass rush might help also.
I would definitely like to see more play action. Of course, when you’re in the shotgun so much, that makes play action a bit of a tougher sell. However, when they do that fake draw play action, that seems to work fairly well.
I’d like to see less blown assignments by the line. This may be the main reason for the shotgun and less play action, because those plays are a little more slow developing.
by Baked Potato Soup on Nov 24, 2009 9:28 PM CST reply actions
Where to start...
For my tastes, Dallas has to do a few subtle things to improve this passing game. First, they have to make Romo a more unpredictable target. This would be best accomplished in my opinion by shifting the pocket from time to time and working less out of the shotgun. As it stands now, I feel like teams see Romo in the shotgun and decide to reply with their own heavy weaponry by blitzing heavily and in patterns that aren’t predictable. Unfortunately, this has a pretty good chance of success against our less than great offensive line and even if they don’t get there, the blitzes lead to more mental mistakes (whether they be by Romo or in the form of penalties).
The second thing I would like to see is a lot more receiver motion. Currently, Dallas loves to motion TEs but doesn’t motion their WRs a whole lot. I think in the next coming weeks that should be somewhat of an emphasis. By motioning Roy and Austin you can create mismatches and allow them to get off the line much easier. You can also dictate to the defense more by using motion since it can sometimes lead to defenses clearly having to adjust their play call.
Lastly, I agree with the premise of quicker passes. However, I don’t think it has to be exclusive to RBs. Personally, I would actually like to use motion to free up Roy and Austin to get the ball quickly. For one, Roy could use the confidence boost of getting some easy passes to start the game (I think he is trying too hard currently). Secondly, they both are great after the catch and could really hurt the defense with their legs. Don’t get me wrong, I would love to get the RBs some more catches too, but I think that shorter passes in general are more in order than simply involving the RBs more. This would create a much less predictable offense and an offense that would be much, much harder to blitz.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
I would like to see more play action. That along with shorter routes that don’t take as long to develop wouldn’t hurt. It seems to me that Garrett likes to go for the home run to much. If they can get the running game established early in the game and use play action off of it then deep passing plays will come. The shorter quicker passes would take pressure off the o-line to hold blocks.
Another thing that I like is what the Steelers do. That is to bunch 3 WR’s and run a different routes off of it. It seems to really confuse defenses.
Bunch formations are good
two things that I left off the list are bunch formations and the hurry-up offense.
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by DallasPalace on Nov 25, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
More two TE sets
Move the pocket
Go to the hurry up’
Use Jones and Choice in the passing game
More play action if possible.
Hitch and go to Austin
On Turkey Day just win baby and don’t get anymore injuries.
by TCB Orange Dino on Nov 25, 2009 1:39 AM CST reply actions
I want to see more screens
Screens to Felix.
Screens to MB3
Screens to Tellus
Screens to Miles
Screens to Ogletree
More screens!
Id like to see
More deep passing attempts. I thought they waited far too long in the last two games to strech the field. When you run like they did against washington there’s no reason that shouldnt open up some double moves and play action.
Also I actually like Dallas in the shotgun. Although I would like to see them roll Romo from time to time. I think when they have more than 2 wr’s on the field its to the cowboys advantage. Example- last drive of the washington game.
I agree with Baked Potato Soup- the rbs need to be more involved. Get felix and choice the ball in the flat and they can make a big play. A screen here and there to felix should be called every game, yet they dont. He’s to explosive in the open field to be just runing dive plays
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by sprewelllatrell on Nov 25, 2009 9:57 AM CST reply actions
How about this?
If Romo could simply throw the ball where it is supposed to go (instead of 3 feet over the receiver’s head, 2 feet behind him or to the other team).
I know, CRAZY, right?
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by DallasPalace on Nov 25, 2009 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
ive said it before and ill say it again, romo needs to run more often when theres nothing available downfield. if he were to simply get 4 yards and slide consistantly(you and i both know that sometimes theres a hell of alot more than 4 yards there too), that would be completely demoralizing to a defense that is keeping our recievers in check. obviously you gotta know when the field is open to do this and i think romo knows, at least i think he does based upon what ive seen from him in the past. it just seems like to me sometimes romo is back there trying to do his best tom brady impression instead of being romo.
what do you guys think about our last two touchdowns? is that a defense playing with the lead trying not to give up a deep bomb or is it something else? different routes(play selection)? different playstyle from romo?
im a big fan of running the ball more, we got the rushing numbers vs the redskins but it sure didnt feel like the rushes made a great impact to the game. maybe just kept our defense off the field more than it did when we played the packers? running more often doesnt matter much when you are losing and you cant combine it with pass completions. i definately think we need choice involved more in the passing game, even barber has been great in the past catching balls but this season it just doesnt seem to work out, i dont know why. maybe defenses are defending the flats better but the only running back receptions that come to my mind this season are to choice in the middle of the field or throws to the flats that get instantly stuffed for minimal or no yards.
does anybody know where you can get game film to watch?
Film
Try cowboysconnection.org. Scottmaui has a good post here on how that works
by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 25, 2009 5:21 PM CST reply actions
Penalties
I really think that if we cut our penalty output in half, all of these problems would fix themselves. We’ve had 3rd and 10 or more on like 40% of our total 3rd downs or something ridiculous like that. Rob Phillips of DallasCowboys.com wrote a pretty cool article last week about that. The offense is fine, but it can’t overcome penalties and negative plays on every single drive.
Overcome that, and you’ll overcome all of these other things as well.
I really have given up on blaming penaltys. everybody has them and they aren’t going away. and most of the time penaltys are a result of poor execution, that would really be the blame not penaltys.
by DavidLaFleur on Nov 26, 2009 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
More Ogletree Please!
How about a Miles Austin and Ogletree as our starting WR tandem? Crazy you say, Ogletree is 6 for 6 this season with a 13.1 yard average. He catches everything thrown his way, makes yards after the catch and and runs precise routes and can tap the toes.
Roy Williams not so much. He is 37 for 81 for a 47% catch rate. This is the worst on the team. He has a bad case of alligator arms going across the middle. Granted he has made 6 touchdowns, but I think Ogletree will be more productive in scoring if given the chance.
I believe the coaches are catching on as well as we are seeing his playing time increasing each week. Lets face it, we are in the playoff stretch right now. We can’t afford to lose any more games. LETS PLANT THE TREE!
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