The Cowboys' 'No. 1 Receiver'? All That Matters Is That They Have One
Roy Williams is the fourth-most productive pass-catcher on the Dallas Cowboys, and if the glass is half-full, well, heck ... somebody's got to be No. 4.
We are being inundated this week with mainstream-media panic (not to mention quotes from Roy that make it sound like he's panicking, too) due to what I find to be a collection of disappointing-but-acceptable facts. Example: Roy's 14-catches-of-37-targeted passes is the NFL's lowest ratio.
The numbers are undeniable. But the panic - Williams' quotes qualified him for a breathless lead story on "SportsCenter'' this morning - is unnecessary.
Because it doesn't matter if Roy Williams performs like a No. 1 receiver.
It only matters that SOMEBODY does.
Some quick takes that might calm anyone who cares to listen:
* I believe Roy ran a couple of routes that were destined for failure due to his disinterest. No matter the low level of numbers and no matter the high level of expectations, that is impossible to justify.
* "I'm the No. 1 receiver," Williams says of his pecking-order role in the passing game. "But things are just going No. 2's way."
The MSM is failing to understand this. He doesn't mean "I'm the star.'' He means "I play the X, which is the primary receiver in an offense.''
However ...
* And I think this is the central point here: It doesn't matter who is No. 1 in terms of being targeted, in terms of catching passes or in terms of scoring touchdowns. All that matters is that somebody does.
And somebody is.
Tony Romo's timing with with Roy might be off. But (if you want to find blame) Romo's timing with everyone else seems to be impeccable. Miles Austin (with his NFL-record 482 yards in his first three starts, plus five TDs on his 21 receptions) has vaulted into a vacancy left by Roy.
That wasn't necessarily the Cowboys plan ... though I do recall receivers coach Ray Sherman telling us in training camp that he thought Dallas might have four guys catch 50-to-60 passes and no single guy catching 90-to-100. ... but it's the plan now.
This story - if indeed it really is a story at all - is loaded with sidebar issues. "Roy is the Cowboys' third-highest paid player.'' "Roy cost the Cowboys three draft picks, including a first and a third.'' "Roy's gotta be as good as T.O. was.'' "Jason Garrett needs to figure out how to use him.'' "But he's a good blocker.'' "Roy is overrated.'' "Irvin says he's not receptive to teaching.'' "Maybe they are rolling coverages at him.''
But at this point - the Cowboys have won three straight and are poised to go to Philly on Sunday and really get into this NFC East race - Williams and the Cowboys needn't concern themselves with what might be.
What is will do. And here is what is:
The Cowboys do have an answer atop the receiving totem pole. And when the MSM says, "If the Cowboys want to win big (in Philly and beyond), Roy is going to have to play big,'' the MSM is wrong.
That would be true if he was "the No. 1 receiver.'' But right now, Williams isn't a lousy No. 1. He's a promising No. 4. ...
And maybe the real story here isn't that the Cowboys have "problems'' with an old star receiver, but rather than they have "promise'' with a new star receiver.
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It seems
The media like to play their games and until this team learns to deal with it things will be off.
McGruber!
by Mojoness on Nov 5, 2009 7:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The media wants controversy in Dallas
If it wasn’t the Roy story they would find something else. It’s too bad we can’t have more guys like Choice on the roster though. Imagine if Choice was in Roy’s exact position. Do you think people would be talking about this? Do you hear the things Choice says? While I think Roy deserves some slack in regards to his comments, he could do a better job of praising the guys who are making up for his lack of production. He could take notes from T. Choice, who is the ideal teammate
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
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by Young Wiz on Nov 5, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
T. Choice is fairly unique in his public speaking ability.
He has a future as a broadcaster.
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
by Uncle Angus on Nov 6, 2009 7:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And wouldn't ya know
It’s who on BSPN who’s stirrin the pot with glee beyond evil: Ed Werder. That ass wipe really makes my blood boil. But ya know what? Roy as Team Obliterator (Skippy’s phrase-oh and BTW a real homer now, who woulda thunk it???) is a joke. I’m not ready to throw RW under the bus yet, but that dude needs to cowboy up, just like PC did when we all bought a new rope for him a couple weeks ago, huh
Just becuz you put yer boots in the oven don't make it bread
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Nov 6, 2009 9:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
very true
the only reason the MSM is making a big deal about it is because of what jerry had to give up and pay RW.
MSM and fans think that RW has to produce big time numbers to justify the above.
From a practical matter, it doesn’t matter because Austin is producing.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Nov 5, 2009 7:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It does matter.
You’re just talking about production and wins, which is one aspect, but tying up money and years in an unproductive asset most certainly does matter.
by brettgardner on Nov 5, 2009 7:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It sucks that Jerry overpaid for RW, it was obvious it was a dumb move when he made it.
But it’s water under the bridge. He’s still a good receiver and Austin in putting up #1 numbers and paid like a 3. If RW ever gets on the right page it will be great. As long as Austin keeps producing it all works out the same.
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 5, 2009 7:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
With the cap, it’s not just a one shot deal.
by brettgardner on Nov 5, 2009 7:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So you think Austin is paid like most #1's?
My point is we’re overpaying for RW but Austin is a bargain. It balances out.
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 5, 2009 7:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Again, not really.
First, you’re assuming that Austin is already among the league best. I’ll be more reserved on that.
Second, you’re assuming that you have to pay gigantic sums to have a good receiving duo. That money doesn’t HAVE to be payed to one receiver—it could be spread out to 2 or 3 other positions.
by brettgardner on Nov 5, 2009 8:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not arguing that RW is overpaid
And I also want to see Austin maintain his level of play. But he’s playing at a very high level right now. To your other point, I would be willing to bet the total amount the Cowboys are paying their receiving corp is not out of line with most teams in the league. You’re somewhat preaching to the choir. I think Jerry overpays most of his players. The cap going up so much recently has allowed him to do it without being sent to the penalty box.
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 5, 2009 8:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not arguing that RW ****isn't**** overpaid
He’s way overpaid and to much was given up to get him. The whole thing was crazy
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 5, 2009 8:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And....
who cares? It’s Jerry’s money and his cap space. The deal is in the books, Williams is on the team, they are going to throw to him and he’ll make some catches. Nothing to see here folks. Let’s move on…
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by dunkman on Nov 5, 2009 9:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I think it's actions that fail you in this debate.
What do you suggest we “do” about the RW situation? Boycott the games?
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
by Uncle Angus on Nov 6, 2009 7:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What?
What does that even mean?
I disagreed with Fisher’s premise. What does that have to do with doing something about Roy Williams? Jesus, the reading comprehension around here is deplorable.
by brettgardner on Nov 6, 2009 8:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Contract, Cap, Draft picks dont really matter until the offseason.
This is Divisional foe/ Eagle week. Thats all that matters until Sunday and this season. Somebody stepping up and producing. That is all that matters.
P.S. Are you Joe Buck?
KICK ASS every day!!!
by squidlo97 on Nov 6, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It does matter
Why would you stop caring about something?
by brettgardner on Nov 6, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because I compartmentalize and worry about the most important things 1st.
Winning this game is more important than the contract now, which means little because their is no cap next year and you can dump bad contracts.The draft picks have come and gone and winners make mistakes full speed, learn and move on trusting their abilityt the next time around. Losers look back and dwell.
KICK ASS every day!!!
by squidlo97 on Nov 6, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're making a gigantic assumption
And an exception that swallows the rule.
So if there were a cap in ‘10, you’d have nothing to say, because you can’t just totally dismiss the implications of cutting an unproductive player.
by brettgardner on Nov 6, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Big time decisions lead to big time mistakes.
You get what you can out of the deal, learn and move on. The problem for me is this is an offseason issue. There is nothing that can be done but continue to work hard. In Febuary is when this is an issue. What are you going to do moving forward.
You dont seem to know sports and would rather deal with offseason issues now.
If you really think this is a big issue heading into a divisional game then wrtite a fan post on it and count your hits. If your critical and harsh and take a few shots at Romo it would help fluff your numbers some.
KICK ASS every day!!!
by squidlo97 on Nov 6, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't seem to know sports?
Learn how to have a civil debate and get back to me.
I’m not dealing with offseason issues now, I’m dealing with the POINT OF THIS FANPOST.
by brettgardner on Nov 6, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Point of this post was to remind the chicken littles who dwell on here
That this week isnt about the Roy Williams drama. It is to remind the chicken littles we have a number .
Sorry if I offended you but you always seem more into your “eloquent speaking” than content of what your speaking about. You got good grammar if that makes you feel good.
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by squidlo97 on Nov 6, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let me help you out
Just because you can’t understand what I’m saying doesn’t mean I’m not saying something relevant.
by brettgardner on Nov 6, 2009 3:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
February is when this is not an issue
It is an issue NOW because a player who is alleged to have tons of talent who our favorite team bet the farm on is putting up goose eggs.
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Nov 6, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can read just fine.
If your point is not emerging, maybe you should check it.
You responded to dunkman’s comment that there’s nothing here, folks, move along with “wow. words fail me.”
That implies that you’re so exasperated by his response that this is a non-story, which goes against your argument that this is a big story, that you simply have no response.
My point was regardless of what any of us “think” about Jerry’s deal for Roy, there’s not anything we can do about it, save for withholding our financial support.
And the team is playing fine.
So, what was your point?
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
by Uncle Angus on Nov 6, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My comment was addressing the general story line that this is somehow
important. Yours happened to be the next one in line.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Nov 6, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Love your Geico commercials...
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Nov 6, 2009 1:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh.
You mean the ones where cavemen speak eloquently and where grunting would totally moot the point?
by brettgardner on Nov 6, 2009 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In the originals
(or would that be aboringinals?) they just grunted. later, when they were more civil to people around them as opposed to unneccessarily combative, they were written in as eloquent and well-spoken.
Geico is wise.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Nov 6, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Williams needs to care
because he’s going to be cut next off-season if he doesn’t step up. Jerry might not like admitting he’s made a mistake but he can’t pay Roy 8 million a year to play like he does.
by DoomsdayD75 on Nov 5, 2009 10:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But next year is likely an uncapped year.
If it’s still a big mistake by year’s end, he’s likely gone.
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
by Uncle Angus on Nov 6, 2009 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know WR is a very hot topic, but
do we really know what we have at the position?
Hurd came into the last game and made Austin like TD
Ogletree made a nice catch
Austin is Austin and I even heaven mentioned the TEs.
if RW is not on this roster are we better or worse?
anyone willing to speculate?
by dcfanz on Nov 5, 2009 7:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
worse, RW is a talented WR
Hurd, Crayton and Olgetree aren’t as good.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Nov 5, 2009 7:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Terry, but talent a lot doesnt cut it, if its true that
he doesnt run the routs the way he is supposed to and thats why the balls are coming either low or high, lets get somebody else, who is running the precise routes.
by dcfanz on Nov 5, 2009 7:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think eventually Romo and RW will get it right
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Nov 5, 2009 7:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
me 2
Roy just needs to talk to Roy and not the media. Not accomploshing anything by talking to the media. Message for Romo- don’t force it to Roy. Keep doing what you are doing.
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by Wmillion on Nov 5, 2009 11:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Why does everyone thinks Roy is talented?
He had one big year in the NFL, which is increasingly looking like a career year, never to be repeated or even approached again. What has he done in Dallas that makes everyone say he is talented? Downfield blocking? Really?
We could have kept Stanback at a much cheaper price if we just wanted some ‘talent’ coupled with ‘potential’ on the team
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Nov 6, 2009 9:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
because a player can be talented
without being very productive, they are not mutually inclusive and the fact is he has produced in this league, albeit for one year, but it’s not like he has never played at a high level in the NFL.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Nov 6, 2009 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He could have had a career year, and never come close again.
You did not really answer my question. What does everyone see in Roy that makes them think he is talented? You concede that is not production so what is it?
I see a guy who is consistently in the wrong place when the ball is delivered, who does not exactly have glue hands when he is in the right place, and who does not appear to be able to get open with any consistency. So what is it? What am I missing?
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Nov 6, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well for starters
the guy is 6-2, 217 lbs who can run a 4.4, normally has great hands and can jump. Extremely athletic and strong.
I think he just needs to work on his route running more, and that is an acquired skill, not innate ability like I described above.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Nov 6, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He just needs to work on his route running more?
Are you serious? This is his sixth year in the league! When is ‘route running’ going to click for him? Isn’t that sort of important for a receiver?
4.4 speed? For the sake of this discussion, I will grant that he did that once, but I have not seen any flash of that since he has been in Dallas, and I have not seen these great hands .
We are left with he can jump. Oh, yeah, he blocks well.
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Nov 6, 2009 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
RW is still fast
It just takes him a while to kick it into high gear, but once he does you’re not going to catch him.
I grant you he’s not super explosive off the LOS, but not many receivers are.
As far as route running, I think the fact he’s played in Detroit for almost his whole career speaks volumes to that.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Nov 6, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Roy Williams has ahd the benefit of a full offseason and full training camp now
The guy is a professional football player. He should be running routes with precision.
Jesus Tap-Dancing Christ, why does anyone defend this guy? He has done nothing while he has been in Dallas, and had one, ONE, good year in Detroit, and has never been close to repeating that.
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Nov 6, 2009 7:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ogletree maybe more talented....we just dont know yet...
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
by Boyzfan94 on Nov 6, 2009 10:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I respect that point of view. A promising 4. Hopefully he will be at least decent until we can replace him and the cap hit won’t be too bad.
How 'Bout Them Cowboys!!!!
by emmitt22 on Nov 5, 2009 7:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Could someone post his contract terms and cap consequences?
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 5, 2009 7:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
dont know the numbers, but I know that if needed
we can cut him in the uncapped year. I’ve read somewhere that a lot of teams will dump high contracts (underperforming players respectively)
by dcfanz on Nov 5, 2009 7:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It was amazing that Jerry made that trade
After the Joey Galloway debacle I couldn’t believe he made such a dumb decision. I understood the number of posters on here who wanted him because there is a strong Texas bias but I would have hoped the people making the trades and signing the contracts would have been able to think clearer.
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 5, 2009 8:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, I wanted him just because I was panicky about how fast '08 was headed down the tubes.
As it turned out, Roy didn’t make a lick of difference.
Galloway actually seemed to have a lot more upside than Roy did. At the time of the trade, he’d put up three 1,000 yard seasons and 35 TD’s in 67 games and also 22 receptions of over 40 yards. Also Galloway only ended up playing a quarter with Aikman throwing to him before Troy was concussed and Galloway shredded his knee in the 4th quarter of that season opener.
The moral of the story is (concerning both guys) it’s foolish behavior to trade that many picks for a guy who is plainly not a top ten (or really fifteen or twenty) player at his position.
by MadMick on Nov 5, 2009 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Galloway didn't work because he got hurt
I don’t fault the Cowboys for making that deal. I do fault them for way over-paying for RW.
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 5, 2009 10:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+100
Irvin was gone and Jerry was trying to win one last trophy with an aging Emmitt and Aikman….everyone bashes that trade…and although regrettable…Galloway still had a lot left in the tank and went on to have several good years in Tampa….its not his fault he played 3 quarters with Aikman before tearing his ACL and Aikman was out of the league the next season…and we all know what happened after that (carter, stoerner, testaverde, hutchinson, leaf, wright etc etc etc)
by McLovin9 on Nov 6, 2009 12:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
They conveniently forget that Galloway was an excellent receiver when healthy.
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by dunkman on Nov 6, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also.....
In retrospect, looking back at 2000 and ‘01 drafts, those 1st rounds weren’t stacked with superstars as much as just solid players. There were a handful of superstars/game-changers to be had.
I still say on general principle though it was foolhardy to flip two no. 1’s for a wide receiver.
by MadMick on Nov 6, 2009 4:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why does this stuff have to matter...
They are WINNING right now. They have a receiver who just set the NFL RECORD FOR A RECIVER IN HIS FIRST 3 STARTS. Why does this have to matter that it’s not Roy?
The Patriots just benched Adidas Thomas, (whom they spent a lot of money on in free agency a couple of years ago) and you don’t see the media harping on that.
I swear no other football team has to deal with this kind of sh%t from the media. I just hope none of this has distracted the Cowboys from what really matters… BEATING THE EAGES THIS SUNDA!
The 2009 Dallas Cowboys: Talk to me in December.
The NFC East has won 11 Super Bowls; oddly none of those have come courtesy of the Eagles.
by gee-roj on Nov 5, 2009 8:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Actually I am starting to see some carping about the Patriots recent personnel moves
But the reason it has not reached a fever pitch is because there is some belief that Belichick knows what he is doing because he won all of those Super Bowls
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Nov 6, 2009 9:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Scott Pioli had a hand in those personnel decisions as well
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Nov 6, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
my point still stands
The Patriots recent success gives them some breathing room that other teams do not get
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Nov 6, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they run a great franchise
It anything it goes to show the role that chance or probability plays in these selections.. some number are just not going to pan out.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Nov 6, 2009 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But the reason it has not reached a fever pitch is because there is some belief that the Patriots knows what he is doing because they won all of those Super Bowls
rephrased
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Nov 6, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree totally with all the points about "Who cares who is #1!"
… but the Cowboys should deter ALL their players from airing out the teams’ dirty laundry.
by spadesking131313 on Nov 5, 2009 8:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Typical BSPN trash
Who cares who catches what? This team has a great attitude right now, and only the tabloid sports media (read: Ed Werder) would report that there’s a problem. Romo and Roy have been on different worlds, but I can’t say it’s either players fault.
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by Lord Humungus on Nov 5, 2009 8:57 PM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand
You say that only the tabloid sports media would report there’s a problem… because presumably there isn’t one. Yet the very next words you type indicate there is a huge problem. “Romo and Roy have been on different worlds”
So what is it? Is what you typed trash?
Roy’s 14-catches-of-37-targeted passes is the NFL’s lowest ratio. Is what Mike Fisher typed trash?
Then there’s ROY’S OWN WORDS. Are those words the trash?
Or could this be just another example of the persecution complex that apparently 99% of all Cowboys fans feel they need to wear on their sleeve?
by Joey2zs on Nov 6, 2009 9:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the frustration is
micro-analysis of any possible “issue” for the purpose of stirring up emotion and their own ratings that bothers fans. Of course it’s all true that these guys are not connecting on the field.
It would be a little like a your girlfriend’s best friend always pointing out your flaws to her. Of course you have flaws, who doesn’t, but who wants someone else trying to create problems over them? It’s petty, it’s not really news and it serves no other purpose except to try to milk air time.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Nov 6, 2009 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The media is just trying to rekindle an old flame..
Namely the recently canceled drama series “T.O.” starring that incredibly narcissistic, self -absorbed unlovable character, Terrell Owens. Plans were in the works for a spin-off series titled “Roy” but the series was canceled due to a lack of public interest .
by Benthere on Nov 5, 2009 9:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Do you really believe
Roy Williams sucks and simply fooled the Cowboys organization through some sort of miracle facade in Detroit over several years of playing the position? If that’s the case, we don’t have a chance anyway because this organization can’t distinguish real talent from ineptitude, so why would the Boys ever improve? Isn’t this the same group that recognized the talent of Brooking, Sensabaugh, and Olshansky? Do you really believe the timing between Romo and Roy won’t improve? We are so Impatient. At the end of the season we can talk about this, but given the few throws and receptions/drops, we don’t have a whole lot to judge from just yet. Personally, I agree with Roy: it’s not always a bad route or poor hands that have caused problems. I think it’s great that this team spreads the ball around so much that we don’t have enough throws to Roy to judge his performance just yet. We judged Scandrick as great last year and said he was better than Jenkins. Now this year we hear that Jenkins is clearly better than Scandrick and Raf reports that Scandrick has regressed. That’s after a YEAR and more of playing. Let’s give Roy more time, and then we can complain.
by Teacher on Nov 5, 2009 9:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Crabtree is already on the same page as his QB
and he just showed up to the team two weeks ago. Favre developed chemistry with his receivers in a few pre-season games. Roy has had plenty of time to get on the same page as Tony. There is a strong possibility that he is just not good any more.
Brooking, Sensabaugh, and Olshansky were all guys that had coached under Wade Philips and Dave Campo before. I doubt Wade Philips thought adding another high-profile diva receiver to the team was a good idea. That was all Jerry and he made a desperation move that turned out poorly.
by DoomsdayD75 on Nov 5, 2009 10:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Strong possibility is shading towards probability now
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Nov 6, 2009 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kitna believes in Roy and he knows his game better than any of us.
He’ll get it together. I think a lot of the same people who are whack about RW are the same people who were burying the Cowboys three weeks ago. The Fish point is right on. He doesn’t have to perform like a number one. He just has to catch4 passes a game, and make a few plays.
On a separate note, I just watched “Greatest 4th Quarters” on NFLN. They were showing the game in Philly in 2006. Bledsoe was still the QB, and I’m telling you right now, Romo is a blessing. This was the game that did Bledsoe in. He was horrible. RW the safety was horrible. This team is so much better now than it was then. We have a serious opportunity here. I think we need to recognize what we have, not what could be.
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by White Wolf on Nov 5, 2009 9:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think we should also remember
Roy is coming from DETROIT to DALLAS. He is not used to having to answer these questions. Also, and more importantly, this was Jerry’s deal and not Roy’s. If Roy underperforms, the blame goes mostly to Jerry. He is the one who gave up so much to bring him in. The deal was made, and was out of Roy’s control. Now he is coming here, struggling to connect with the QB and getting killed for it. He is a prideful guy so of course he is going to get defensive. Texas standout who plays for the Lions, I’m sure this type of treatment is pretty new to him. Let’s give him some time to see what he’s really made of.
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by Young Wiz on Nov 5, 2009 10:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree with your comments in the first paragraph, wolf.
And Terry’s right: Romo is so much better than anything we’ve had since Aikman; and I remember the drought between Staubach/White and Aikman. Steve Pelleur, anyone? Thank God Romo wears the star.
by Teacher on Nov 5, 2009 10:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I watched that too, and you ain't lyin.
And then I thought: This was a great 4th quarter? Seemed more a display of a QB riding out the end of his career.
by Benthere on Nov 5, 2009 10:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Right on White Wolf
Didn’t ROY WILLIAMS catch a touchdown pass last Sunday? OR… Did I just dream that?
Just becuz you put yer boots in the oven don't make it bread
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Nov 6, 2009 9:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. He DID catch a TD.
Whatever is preventing Roy and Romo from hooking up, it’s eating Roy alive, and that’s all I need to see. He’ll get it straight. It appears that Garrett is beginning to put Roy in slants, and I would bet that Roy gets at least one ball on a deep post Sunday night. In goal line situations, expect to see Roy in a fade route. I bet Romo and Roy have been practicing the jump ball, as well. I’d have to say that Roy’s ribs are feeling better by now.
The other point to consider is that the only pressure on this situation is what Roy is putting on himself. As far as Romo and the boys are concerned, I see them continuing to spread the wealth (excuse the expression) around. Austin is a given for at least 7 balls, Hurd is going to get some chances, Crayton is going to get his 4 or 5 balls, and even Ogletree now seems to be on Garrett and Romo’s radar.
Man, with the 3 headed monster and two fine TE’s, we’re going to need 65 snaps a game just to keep everyone happy. The more they spread the ball around, the more dangerous this team becomes. It takes away the defense’s ability to double one man when you never know where the ball is going.
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"
by White Wolf on Nov 6, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Roy is going to be successful
it is going to be as a role player in this offense. Making tough catches over the middle and in the red zone. Up to this point he hasn’t shown he can do that. He seems to be thinking too much or not enough. Then when Romo g
by DoomsdayD75 on Nov 5, 2009 10:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
to finish that post
then when Romo gets the ball to him he drops it. Romo has to be able to trust Roy and so far Roy hasn’t given him any reason to.
by DoomsdayD75 on Nov 5, 2009 10:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly,
I see Ogletree being a better #4 receiver than Williams.
~Texas Massacre '09~
by TheHeat on Nov 5, 2009 10:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Don't Buy It
I don’t get the argument that they’re not on the same page. How can a professional WR and QB not be on the same page after a full season together? There’s something wrong w/ Roy and he needs to fix it.
by VA Dallas Fan on Nov 6, 2009 12:17 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The Reason Jerry Overpaid in Draft Picks
Is precisely because Roy was a FA to be at the time of the trade; the odds of Roy resigning with Detroit were nil; the odds anyone was going to outbid Jerry were low. The odds were increased that Dallas could in fact sign Roy because Roy wanted to be a Cowboy. So, we gave up a one and a three and change to rent Roy for one half of one year and increase our chances of signing him. The cost? Forget the money. We lost out on a franchise Center; or we lost out on a franchise type WR/return guy in Percy Harvin. That my friends, is a very high price to pay for Roy, and the fact he has not performed is more or less irrelevant. Jerry should have run the risk that the Cowboys might not sign Roy to preserve the precious draft picks that could have been used to move up and land the likes of Harvin or Unger. Odds are great we would have signed Roy anyway.
by Iowacowboy on Nov 6, 2009 5:48 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Why Roy Is Not A One WR
He simply lacks the speed and the burst to gain separation. Sure at one time Roy clocked sub 4.4 but them days are long gone. He is a Keyshawn Johnson possession receiver. I did not think was true even at the start of this year but the fact is that Roy for whatever reason has not maintained his speed and acceleration talent that existed once upon a time most in college. They said he was over weight last year but dropping pounds did not translate into more burst and separation skills. This is the key attribute to the one WR spot. Keyshawn is an overpaid Crayton, with the mouth to match it now seems.
by Iowacowboy on Nov 6, 2009 5:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
not really
The difference between RW and guys like Austin and Desean Jackson, is that RW lacks the explosiveness in the first 10 years off the LOS whereas guys like Austin and Jackson are really explosive off the LOS and can accelerate and get to full speed much faster and quicker than RW.
That’s the difference, however once RW gets going in the open field, he’s just as fast as those guys.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Nov 6, 2009 7:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed...
The LOS is all about acceleration, not top speed.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Nov 6, 2009 7:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He is a Keyshawn Johnson possession receiver.
except he cannot hang on to the ball
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Nov 6, 2009 9:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let me summarize the bulk of this conversation.
Jerry made a bad trade and sign.
Roy needs to do better.
The MSM need this “story” to linger for days or weeks because they have a 24/7 entertainment obligation. Do we?
I’ve actually never seen the Cowboys continue to keep an unproductive player beyond a season or two. Marginally productive? Yes. Unproductive? No.
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
by Uncle Angus on Nov 6, 2009 7:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
How many years has Barbie been in Dallas?
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 6, 2009 8:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They keep plenty of players
we think ought to be dropped, but I don’t think it’s based on us knowing more than the coaches or misplaced loyalty. I think they compare what they have with who might be available and what the delta is in performance. They also take into account what they think a player is capable of and perhaps hope they can coach him into becoming. The better the pedigree (draft position, past performance), the more patience they tend to have.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Nov 6, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And lets face it
They have been hitting on the players they’ve spent time developing. We are really starting to bear the fruit of years of development.
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"
by White Wolf on Nov 6, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Will he get another contract?
What could they have gotten for him in a trade? And he’s still “marginally productive”.
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
by Uncle Angus on Nov 6, 2009 3:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nice made up story
You just invented a story arc. You just did what you’re accusing the “MSM” of doing. The roy williams situation is no longer in national sports media. It’s been one day and now no one is interested any longer. Wait, I thought they “need this ‘story’ to linger for days or weeks,” so what happened????
And you lie about what the story is. The story is Jerry makes a crazy deal to replace perennial malingerer TO with upstart malingerer Roy W. Roy W was QUOTED to the media about not getting good looks and having to struggle. That is a legitimate story. That it paints your team in a bad light is irrelevant. I’d suggest you not blame the people who’s job it is to report what they’re told, but instead blame the person who gave the press grist for their mill. And maybe if you have a real problem with it, quit eating what comes from that mill.
by Joey2zs on Nov 6, 2009 9:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This more simplistic that what you accuse Angus of doing
The MSM doesn’t simply report what happens and leave it to us to decide. That’s 9th Journalism class stuff. What they choose to report and what they choose not to report and how they spin what is reported makes all the diffference.
These guys dig into what they know already to be an emotional issue for Williams – his status as a “number 1”, his high and expectations, and the lack of sync between a proud WR and his QB – and ask as many questions of him as they can until they get the emotional response they were looking for. They’re not passively interviewing players and seeing what comes up. They know what they are after and they set the conditions for getting it.
It’s not about immediately defending one’s favorite team. This blog criticizes more than it praises. It’s about seeing guys like Werder see what crap they can create and of course with no regard for the people involved. And most people do blame Williams for running his mouth. All that proves is that the guys asking the questions are more clever than the guy answering them.
And it’s still not news. Just E! style tabloid crap.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Nov 6, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Throw a bunch of crap at the wall and hope something sticks. Roy has spent his career in Detroit. He’s rapidly learning that the media around THIS team is a bunch of circling sharks.
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"
by White Wolf on Nov 6, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Get off the crank, dude.
I “lie about what the story is”? Then you offer an alternate version that’s supposed to be a truer reduction than mine?
And the national media has been beating around this issue for weeks, not a day.
So you’re a big MSM defender? OK. Sorry if I offended you. Not.
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
by Uncle Angus on Nov 6, 2009 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"The roy williams situation is no longer in national sports media."
Poppycock. It was the first topic Skippy and crew discussed on Stale Pizza this morning and it was the very first thing Len Pasquarelli touched upon when he called into 790thezone, Atlanta’s flagship sports radio station.
I take it all back; BSPN is clearly your favorite sports franchise.
by MadMick on Nov 6, 2009 4:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve actually never seen the Cowboys continue to keep an unproductive player beyond a season or two
oh yeah?
Look at their safeties for the past 10 years.
by Joey2zs on Nov 6, 2009 9:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OK look at the safeties.
I assume you’re talking about the other Roy Williams. Let’s see how long he lasted after he quit being productive. More than two years? Is Keith Davis still here? What are you even talking about?
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
by Uncle Angus on Nov 6, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be true if he was "the No. 1 receiver.‘’ But right now, Williams isn’t a lousy No. 1. He’s a promising No. 4. …
Um, no. You don’t give up 1st and 3rd round picks for a No. 4 receiver, or sign them to huge contracts. If Roy keeps playing like this he might get cut after the season.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 11:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That is circular logic
“Roy can’t be a No. 4 because Dallas gave up to much for him.”
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Nov 7, 2009 5:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, I'm just saying
If all he is is a No. 4 then that is a huge disappointment and an incredible waste of resources, which is exactly why the media is complaining.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 7, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Roy is disappointing and a tremendous waste of resources, which makes him something less than a #1
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Nov 7, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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