Wade Phillips... the Worst Thing to happen to Texas since Santa Ana
by Montecito Tex on Dec 13, 2009 6:27 PM CST
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The son of Bum has ruined three prime years of Dallas Cowboys football, see Romo, Ware, Barber and Witten. The beleaguered head coach has pissed away a 13-3 home field advantage,was on the sideline for the Philadelphia Phold, has sent DeMacus home on a cart, and has presided over the three most disappointing seasons in the history of Dallas Cowboys football. From Flozell Adams to Nick Folk, mediocrity is tolerated under the pwuss Wade. This son of a bitch Bum should be skinned alive and Fired on Monday.
Bringing back Wade and expecting anything different than a December fade is ignorance defined.The Cowboys held hostage... only 21 days and 50 hours until the Wade Phillips regime is thankfully brought to a close.
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The only thing wrong is
Sam Houston the Texans kicked Santa Anna’s ass at The Battle of San Jacinto and ran him back into Mexico.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
Well you listed Romo as a strength
So thats progress
The Knights season may have just ended, but the Cowboys year is just begining!
Sigh, even the biggest anti-Romo groupies (see: me) can't really fault him.
Romo has done his job in these last few losses. Other than that though, it’s the same old, same old.
Everyone said if Romo cuts down on his mistakes
Than we will be successful. He has done exactly that and there is no change. It is not Romo’s fault, this team just plain isn’t as good as we thought. I mean, who have we really beaten? An inconsistent Philthadelphia (who is also a division rival which usually makes for a good game). We all got hyped up after the Falcons win, because they were good last year, but they are plain mediocre this year. We are not “choking” in December, like many keep saying. We were just never that good this year, beat up on some crappy teams, and now the tough part of our schedule has arrived and we are not good enough to get through it.
I totally
AGREE…Wade and Garrett have to go! Hey if you cant kick a field goal or run the ball in after running 400 straight times, maybe you should do something different, eh?
How was the loss on Garrett?
The Knights season may have just ended, but the Cowboys year is just begining!
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 13, 2009 6:42 PM CST up reply actions
He left a TD on the field.....4 straight runs from the 1....LOL....thats terrible playcalling
You'll never get in a traffic jam,while going the extra mile. -Roger staubach
In that instance yes I agree although excecution should have been better
but on the whole I believe he called a pretty good game. Saying he should be fired over it is decidedly an overreaction.
The Knights season may have just ended, but the Cowboys year is just begining!
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 13, 2009 6:50 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think it's terrible playcalling
it’s execution. Asking your team to pound the ball for 1 yard isn’t asking too much. We (the Eagles) did the same thing against chicago last year…and it sucks…but I don’t fault the playcall
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
I must disagree
If you can’t pick up a yard, it’s on the offensive line. However, I did have a problem with the misdirection play inside the five yard line.
by BK Arsonist on Dec 14, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
Poor play calling
Did you actually watch the game? Calling the same running play 4 times in a row and expecting it to turn out differently was retarded. That 7 extra points (or possibly 3) would have won the game.
No it's terrible execution
If our huge 300+ pound offensive linemen can’t move their man one yard when it counts (despite multiple chances) they should be ashamed of themselves.
Garrett put the game in their hands three times to gain one freakin yard and they blew it every time.
Or its both...
Poor execution… yes. But trying to ram it up the gut 4 times in a row? Bad play calling.
by Boundforbeach on Dec 13, 2009 6:51 PM CST up reply actions
Then he should have realized it wasn't working and called a different play.
Simple as that. Skin him alive and send him home with Wade.
Jimmy Johnson for GM.
Did you watch the game?
It wasn’t the same call each play
The Knights season may have just ended, but the Cowboys year is just begining!
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 13, 2009 6:51 PM CST up reply actions
But it wasnt different enough
to actually make a difference. Instead of attacking one distinct area 4 times go after another area. You are just splitting hairs because you are wrong and cant handle admitting it.
Incorrect
The failure on the goalline was a combination of poor playcalling and even worse execution.
The Knights season may have just ended, but the Cowboys year is just begining!
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 13, 2009 6:56 PM CST up reply actions
Which is exactly
What I was saying….obviously the play was poorly called and poorly executed. My point is that it all goes back to the coach because he runs the team…
Thank you for proving my point.
Easy...
How do you continue to run the ball with Barber?
Who’s to blame for the offensive decisionmaking, Wade?
Felix is not an everydown back- he fumbles!
No Tashard Choice again for the umpteenth time this year?
I’m sorry Aussie, but Garrett isn’t exactly an inspiring coach.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Dec 13, 2009 7:58 PM CST up reply actions
I agree on the Barber point, but I believe just like Aussie that Garrett’s play-calling has been very solid this season as a whole. For this reason, I still believe him to be an “inspiring” coach.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Dec 14, 2009 10:08 PM CST up reply actions
No it's terrible execution
If our huge 300+ pound offensive linemen can’t move their man one yard when it counts (despite multiple chances) they should be ashamed of themselves.
Garrett put the game in their hands three times to gain one freakin yard and they blew it every time.
no, that is not a winner
There are other plays that can be called from the 1 yard line. Garrett sucks. He has sucked from the beginning. TO made our offense look better than it was and this year Austin’s big RACs make our offense look better than it is.
We have a solid QB, great running backs, a good 1,2 combination at receiver (Austin then Roy) and one of the best tight ends in the league. Still our wonder boy cannot get our offense to produce consistently week in, week out.
"Right after the game, say as little as possible."
- Tom Landry
Offensive line, and pass coverage (mainly on 3rd down)
Thats what we are missing. Skill positions mean jack when you don’t have a good offensive line.
We also have an offensive line that struggles in the power running game
and makes a large amount of mental mistakes in pass protection. He also is coordinating an offense that rarely gets any short fields from the defense and generally has much farther to go for scores (OCC has the stat somewhere) than other offenses. Garrett isn’t some OC that has been blessed with the 1992 Cowboys and can’t get it to produce.
Plus, that lack of production you refer is baffling since we are top-5 in yardage and in the top half of the league in points scored (a stat that would be higher if Folk could make some kicks and the defense could generate some free or easy points).
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Dec 14, 2009 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
I thought the problem was that Garrett took the ball out of Romo's hands, isn't that what you siad?
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
That decision may doom Garrett
he isn’t what I’d call a “brilliant” run offense coordinator. Those 3 plays at the goal line were the game in a nutshell.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Dec 13, 2009 8:01 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, um
it made me real happy to not get a touchdown there. I guess you never read any of my posts terry. I said Barber has lost speed and some power, and Felix isn’t good as an all purpose back. I consider both of them as situational running backs.
What good is it to see all that running, with no results? We didn’t even get a Field goal (what a surprise). Garrett, again, was using too much barber, Felix at the wrong time, and no Tashard. He’s brilliant- for the other team?
Actually, the best thing that happened in the first half was the long stalled drive, because it did keep the Chargers offense off the field.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Dec 13, 2009 8:17 PM CST up reply actions
You seem to forget alot Terry
like the fact that MB3 and Felix have been ineffective at running the ball all year pretty much. they neede to play the 24th ranked run defense to have a decent game, and still couldn’t get into the end zone!
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Dec 13, 2009 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
I agree
I think we need less Barber, but if anyone should get the majority of those extra carries, it should be Felix. This is not to preclude using Choice more, but the idea that Felix has been ineffective is absolutely ridiculous.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Dec 14, 2009 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
MB3 was most effective hen he was used
after the defense had been softened up. Any one can see this. Used one way effective, used the other way less effective. Not a difficult issue to see.
UT
If you’ve ever read my posts for the last year, I have CONSISTENTLY stated my belief that Barber and Felix are situational RB’s. Tashard is our only true every down RB. I don’t say this because I “prefer”, as a favorite, Tashard to play. I say that because i believe he is our best chance to establish a solid running game so we can win. Alot of people that post here believe Garrett’s pass-heavy scheme was perfect, and that nothing needs to be done. They couldn’t see in front of them. This is the real question- Why couldn’t they see that without a solid establishment of the running game, the pass wasn’t going to do it? It didn’t before.
For those people that say “this is what the offensive line is, we can’t do nothing about it”, including Rafael Vela, forget to mention one thing.
This coaching staff has had time to EVALUATE the offensive line, and do something about it. I’m not certain 100% that the line can’t run block well. We don’t know enough.
Seemed to me, last year against the best run defenses in the league, the offensive line did quite well, and Tashard was effective, and that’s all you need. If guard is such a problem, why not try Montrea Holland? He did darned well last year. But no, we got to hear people like Terry and Aperfectstar and a host of others argue stupidly “The coaches know better than you do, stupid” or “It’s player execution.” I don’t even know that these coaches are aware that they capable of motivating these players better, because they might shock us, show some fire, get in a players face, and all of a sudden, Terry’s “It’s the players, stupid” mentality get’s shot down the tube right there, because maybe that’s all that is needed to motivate them better. What I do know is, Sitting back, nodding your head, going through the motions, showing the defenses no deception, bad playcalling and personnell evaluation, all lead to another losing season, leading to a dismissal of the coach/coaches. That is known.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Dec 15, 2009 9:48 PM CST up reply actions
Keep your faith There Terry
Did you ever ask yourself why FELIX isn’t used down near the goal line? Why does Felix look so slow and horrible on kick returns? How come his YPC has dropped to 6 from close to 10? How about injuries? How about fumble-itis, a very serious condition? You keep your faith there Terry. That will fix the running game (now THAT’s very funny!)
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Dec 15, 2009 5:59 PM CST up reply actions
And, Davis getting pushed back two yards on the goal line had nothing to do with
Barber getting stuffed. I agree though, on 4th do something a little different than a run up the gut that failed 3 previous times.
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
That's right Gunsup
those playcalls are no different than the 4 passes incomplete in to the endzone against Denver. To say it’s player execution is wrong in my opinion. The offensive coordinator has to do better than this with the talent we have. he’s not imaginative enough.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Dec 14, 2009 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
Dallas,
you compalin when Garrett throws it and you complain when he runs it. Then you say it’s not player execution??!! Well, if we can’t throw it or run it what do we do with it? Even Choice has to do one or the other.
Choice hasn't done anything
He sits the bench, remember? Maybe if Garrett mixed the offense like a offensive coordinator should, and used the right players to that end, and was better at player evaluation, both you and joey wouldn’t be confused as to what has happened on offense.
Here’s a cold splash of reality about Garrett’s offense, just to remind you and Joey how “wrong” I am in my opinion. A post about our offense by Urinal mint.
From Norm on 1310 The Ticket:
Points in the last 5 contests: 79
Meaningful points in the last 5 contests: 58 (subtract 3 TDs for garbage time stuff against GB, NYG, and SD). That’s 11.6 meaningful points per contest. You’re not going to win a damned thing with that sorry offensive output.
Now, using numbers from pro-football-reference.com:
The Cowboys offense has a points-to-yards ratio of .058 pts per yard (296 pts / 5084 yds)
The NFL average is .063 pts per yard (277.5 pts / 4336.1 yds)
So already this supposedly "potent" NFL offense is below average in offensive productivity. You know, the stuff that ultimately proves whether you win or lose. You may proclaim, "but Urinal Mint! They’re 3rd in total yards and 13th in scoring!" and I will present right back to you that in that order, this offense SUCKS. They can’t get out of their own way, and when they need it, they absolutely cannot make a play.
So who do you blame?
I think it goes everywhere.
The OL isn’t blocking, plus they’re old and worn out.
The QB makes a lot of plays, but misses those for the taking that will turn a game around (see the Roy W. airmail against NY last week).
The running game is too disjointed to be counted on because Garrett can’t decide who needs to carry the load.
The WRs can’t catch inaccurate passes that they can make plays on.
They don’t take shots downfield to slow the blitz. The don’t slow the blitz with blocking. They take stupid penalties on drive-deciding downs like 1st/3rd. They don’t convert on 3rd down worth a flip.
The Cowboys offense is the guy at work that spends 10 hours a day running around with papers in his hand and talking about the problem, but for some reason can’t answer the problem at hand.
And guess what… all these boys have big-money, long-term contracts… so don’t expect anything to change the next couple of years with the same sorry cast of ne’er-do-wells failing to execute even the simplest formations and plays.
by Urinal Mint on Dec 14, 2009 1:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Dec 14, 2009 7:23 PM CST up reply actions
If you read
what the previous posts stated, and what I was responding to, this post makes no sense. My statement was that Dallas complained when we threw it too much and complained when we ran it too much. Urinal Mint is saying the “team sucks.” O.k., let’s address Urinal Mint’s assessment.
I cannot recall one person who wrote anything on this blog that stated the Cowboys would be 14-2 and win the SB this year. NO ONE. The team is 8-5 and you would think they were 3-10. Most people said 10-6 or 11-5. Maybe that’s right, maybe not but at least it was ratinonal thinking. This team is what it is and I, for one, am not surprised. But now the team sucks??! If you wanted 14-2 then they suck but who REALLY believed that when the seasson started? The reasonable goal is still achivable and I will wait until the end before making any irrational assessments.
You do that Jevans
and while your at it, ponder the reality of the offense and it’s up and down nature, as well as never coming through in December.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Dec 15, 2009 5:41 PM CST up reply actions
I was quoting a post by Urinal mint
It may have been long- so what? The point they don’t like about it is when the chips are down, the offense has proven nothing UT. Garrett can’t playcall correctly when the chips are down against a winning team, and there is a big issue about motivation.
Those stats in the post of Urinal mint are important, regardless of whether it makes sense to Jevans and Terry or not. Don’t worry though, soon, they will “get” it. When they see a coaching staff change, they’ll “get it”.They just don’t want to “get it” from me. It’s not my problem thay have a hard time understanding what is happenning.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Dec 15, 2009 5:30 PM CST up reply actions
I was agreeg with you dude
Whats funny is that Terry, Aussie,and JEvans were having the same argument back in September… Its a funny cycle to me.
I know UT
The reality of the offense and the team will hit them squarely in the face. What’s wrong with having a little accountability? Nobody likes hearing the truth? If you don’t like it, that’s ok- just don’t respond stupidly. Some of us have been saying these things for a long time, listening to these idiots whine and say anything to discredit the truth.
One thing they forgot in they’re pointless arguments is- the truth is still the truth, and it sticks in your side like a sharp blade.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Dec 15, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
That points per yard stat
is extremely misleading since you fail to mention that Dallas has the worst starting average field position in the NFL (or at least in the bottom five) and rarely ever gets points or opportunities for easy points from the defense/ST.
Your rant about the play-calling also of course fails to take into account that the reason JG has to call games like that is due to our poor power run-blocking OL.
I agree about less Barber, but the grass isn’t always greener with respect to the offensive coordinator situation.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Dec 14, 2009 10:21 PM CST up reply actions
What you need to do Cowboyfan729
is go look at the record the Cowboys have against WINNING teams the last 3 years Garrett has been offensive coordinator. Even if what you are saying is true (It’s not playcalling), which is debateable, how do you not put responsibility on the coach who EVALUATES talent on the team? Are you, by chance saying that it isn’t his job? Maybe your saying he has done a good job with Talent? Actually, i don’t understand what your’e saying when you say “Jason Garrett has to call games like that”. No he doesn’t. He just thinks he does.
The grass is greener with respect to offensive coordinator. You can do better than what we’ve seen, in both evaluating players, drafting, and playcalling as well as gameplanning.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Dec 15, 2009 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
Hmmm...
When I said “Jason Garrett has to call games like that,” I was referring to your complaint about him not mixing games. I assumed you were referring to the offense’s pass-run ratio and the fact that we run often out of the shotgun. As I mentioned, this pattern is due in large part to the fact that the offensive line is poor at run blocking and prone to pass blocking mistakes.
As far as evaluating and utilizing talent, I do think Garrett could use some improvement. I would personally like to see Felix get more carries and I think it doesn’t reflect very well that Roy had to get hurt to see Austin in the starting lineup. At the same time though, I think many offensive coordinators would struggle with dishing out the carries in a way that everyone would consider fair and balanced. All three backs are very good when healthy and I am not so sure we could just bring someone in who would do any better.
Ultimately, I am by no means saying Garrett is the best or that he can’t improve. What I am saying is that our offense right now has showed to be pretty difficult to lock down and that it is extremely unlikely that someone could walk in and just improve our output by a statistically significant margin. Plus, as Raf cited in another thread, there are many examples of coordinators who have extremely benefitted from learning the ropes over time. To give up now on Garrett would without a doubt be a mistake in my opinion.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Dec 15, 2009 6:19 PM CST up reply actions
I agree on not giving up on Garrett
Some people believe he should become head coach. My belief is you can’t become a head coach if you haven’t successfully learned the ropes of being a coordinator. Garrett needs a mentor just as much as Tony does. Garrett really needed a strong offensive minded head coach above him to mentor him.These are issues no one talks about, but they should. One thing is for certain (in my opinion), the playing time and evaluation of certain players comes to a complete question mark in my mind. Garrett being given a free ticket to run this offense without question SHOULD be questioned.
When a player doesn’t perform, he has to know that won’t be acceptable. These coaches let things ride. Just think, in your mind Cowboyfan729, what Jimmy Johnson or Parcells would do? They would bench Folk. They would bench Barber. That wouldn’t be a permanent thing, but it could be if they don’t turn it around. Nothing could remedy a situation like that than a fresh, cold batch of fear. If they can’t turn it around under those conditions of adversity, how do you expect it to happen when things get tough on the field? Please don’t feed me the “Coaches don’t motivate players” crap that Terry spews. That sounds good, but it doesn’t work with this team. It just doesn’t. Discipline and a blue collar workman-like approach is missing. Decisionmaking on many fronts is weak with Wade/Jason. I can’t even bring Wade into the conversation about the offense, can I? Shame it has to come to this. I respect the man alot. But, sorry, he was a guinea pig all along. Garrett doomed him.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Dec 15, 2009 9:12 PM CST up reply actions
A good coach
tailors plays to his talent. Garrett should know by now he can’t count on his line for goalline runs. He’s burned the team before by repeatedly calling draws up the middle on consecutive plays and they have failed him. He’s also burned us by calling the same fade left side to Roy Williams twice in a row which failed. Jason Garrett’s redundant X and Goal playcalling is just as culpable in my eyes for our failure to score in the red zone as are the players failing to execute. He’s putting them in a position to fail. Jason Garrett is Captain Obvious.
by NerdVernacular on Dec 14, 2009 7:03 AM CST up reply actions
If the players execute, JG looks like a genius...
The example I would give is the 2007 Patriots. McDaniels looked like a genius for a long time as his offensive line held up and Brady personally shredded defenses. Once that O-line continually faltered against the G-Men though, McDaniel’s offensive play-calling got pretty bad results.
In a similar vein, look at how much more effective the Titans have become after inserting Vince Young into the lineup. I don’t think that the Titan’s OC suddenly remembered how to call plays, but rather Young catalyzed the plays already being called and made the Titans much more potent.
It is my personal belief that in sports in general, coaching is overrated and that talent and execution is what determines most games.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Dec 14, 2009 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
bingo! we have another winner!!
You couldn’t be more right Cowboyfan, couldn’t be more right.
In Romo we Trust
Yeah Terry- Bingo!
another person like you (it’s player execution, dummy). How wonderful. another citizen in your bandwagon of blaming player motivation, not even beginning to understand or adress the issue of what can change that motivation. Maybe it will take another 3 years of decembers like this and you saying “it’s player motivation” before you say to yourself…“This won’t do”. Did you ever stop to think that even though players have changed, the end result is still the same with his team?
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Dec 15, 2009 5:52 PM CST up reply actions
By that logic, it can't be Jason Garrett's fault since the December swoons existed under Parcells as well.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Dec 15, 2009 6:20 PM CST up reply actions
What logic is that?
Parcells built this team, then he left, just when he really could start milking out of them some REAL execution, because the talent he had to work with when he first got here was beyond terrible.
Jerry is to blame for the coaching scenario. He really did Wade a disservice by Hiring Garrett first. All of us, back then, believed Jason was all that was advertised, and that it would work, because Parcells built the team well. But coaches can’t be changed like that, and it “automatically” work like it did before. Parcells was building the team to become something. That did not mean Wade/Garrett were going to be able to finish the job Tuna started.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Dec 15, 2009 9:20 PM CST up reply actions
The HC is in charge of the game
If he doesn’t have control of his team then there is something wrong there. He is basically like a symphony conductor and if one person is off it is still his responsibility. PERIOD!
They have had since August to get this crap worked out and we still look like we did in the first weeks.
Have you actually ever
stepped onto a football field? Every mistake I ever made my HC was in my a$$ and I seem to remember him doing the same to the other players on my team..
The only a$$ I can see Wade Phillips getting into is the a$$ of a twinkie..
You can't see it
therefore it doesn’t happen? Is that your logic.
I’m not a fan of Wade because the results are lacking, but to presume we know what happens regarding accountability in the locker room is ludicrous.
by Kansas Cowboy on Dec 13, 2009 7:05 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe these guys need
to get embarrassed a bit. Or maybe we should just keep doing the same thing because it is so obviously working. I just know what I haven’t seen, and that is any real passion.
many, many times
more than I could count, your mistake is thinking the NFL is like HS, couldn’t be more wrong
In Romo we Trust
Are you arguing or just disagreeing
to be disagreeable? Make a point already……k
I have seen many, many coaches (from the NFL) have passion on the sidelines. Your mistake is thinking.
your mistake is thinking
that a passionate coach makes players play better…got news for you, they don’t.
see Mike Tomlin and the Steelers
In Romo we Trust
You mean the Superbowl Champion Steelers?
They are having a bad year but the fact is still that they won a Superbowl. Yet another non argument from you…nice
well, why isn't the intense Tomlin
affecting his team this year?? Because he doesn’t play the game, the players do.
In Romo we Trust
Because the other teams
are coming in with more intensity and more heart. Pittsburgh has lost its heart just like the Cowboys. I guarantee that they will bounce back next year but, if Wade is there we will not.
And to go with your point if the players are so bad whose responsibility is it to get them in shape or to get new players?
Cause from what you are saying there is no point in even having a head coach.
They dont motivate players, they dont call the plays what the heck are they doing then?
Or are you just disagreeing for disagreements sake?
coaches put players in a position
to be successful, it’s up to the players to execute. IMO, the coaches have put the players in position to succeed but they haven’t been executing.
In Romo we Trust
So which players have to go? I am not busting your balls, I am actually interested in your opinion and want to see how much overlap we have on our lists
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
God this is getting ridiculous.
Why is every win and loss pegged on “heart” or “intensity”? Pittsburgh lost the best safety on the planet, and it’s killing their pass defense. The fact that they’re still a top-5 total defense without him shows they’re playing with “heart”. They also played Baltimore at home without Roethlisberger (who’s been getting KILLED all year fwiw). They’re just having a down year, it happens.
why have a coach then?
"Right after the game, say as little as possible."
- Tom Landry
And
What is coaching smart guy? It sound more like they need a nanny or a babysitter instead of a coach.
Hey, there is a 14 year old next door that will do what you are saying for like 3 dollars an hour even.
How is that irrelevant
He’s saying they draw up the scheme and put the players in the right spot to make the play
being loud and angry
doesn’t make you right, and it doesn’t make what you’re saying make any additional sense.
So it’s your contention that coaches are cheeleaders? Like Chuck Knoll and Tom Landry. Or they’re ballbusting spittle spitters like Bill Walsh, Tony Dungy, Joe Gibbs and Marv Levy.
Really impressive theories.
Yeah Joey
Why don’t you get used to seeing Wade scowl and bow his head, while Garrett stares at the game like a statue, and take that as normal. Showing your fangs when things aren’t going well shows you care, and that you have expectations of the players. This coaching staff doesn’t have the players attention, period, no matter what you believe. Showing some fire in the heat of battle is something the Cowboys haven’t seen at coach since the Tuna.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Dec 14, 2009 7:30 PM CST up reply actions
got news for you
yelling and screaming at players isn’t coaching……I think you watch too many football movies
In Romo we Trust
This is the next coaching staff right here...
Dauber is one helluva defensive coordinator.
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by Aaron Novinger on Dec 14, 2009 8:52 PM CST up reply actions
hey, that was my favorite show......
used to watch it faithfully every Tues. night. It was right after another one of my favorite show-Home Improvement. Those were the days coach and Tim the Tool Man Taylor-LOL
+1000000000
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Dec 14, 2009 10:38 PM CST up reply actions
Goal-line offense
I don’t mind that we ran the ball all 4 plays…I expect us, with our line, to get the push to get in from there. What I was surprised by was that we didn’t show the look from last week with Miles motioning to the backfield…make the defense cover 3 different things. That formation forces them to cover the middle run, the outside run and the pass. That formation is a defense’s nightmare and we should’ve used it in that situation.
that would be silly
How can you expect Garrett to utilize our best players in the best possible circumstances?
"Right after the game, say as little as possible."
- Tom Landry
Kansas
Varying the offensive playcalling is what Garrett is known for not doing. His calls down near the goal line showed no variance, and this dooms the offense every time. Barber is too slow for those kind of plays and Felix lacks power and has trouble holding onto the ball running up the middle sometimes.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Dec 13, 2009 8:57 PM CST up reply actions
You sir are the winner!!!!!!!!
That is where the mistake was. It’s not hard to defend if you know what the opposition is going to do.
Wow Jevans
You agreeing with me- That’s odd.
Maybe you’ve taken the time to re-think the performance of the offense under Garrett. I can’t wait to address the people who always are harping on player execution when a different coach squeeezes them the way they need to be squeezed. Player execution is a result of bad coaching.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Dec 14, 2009 7:34 PM CST up reply actions
player execution has nothing to do with coaching
it has to do with players executing, the coaches don’t have joy sticks on the sidelines controlling their movements…this isn’t Madden, its real fottball
In Romo we Trust
Does a coach do anything at all
that impacts player execution?
by I_miss_Switzer on Dec 14, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions
I think they do to a certain extent
but I think we can all agree that a coach can only do so much. Flozell Adams has made false start penalties as long as I can remember, and that was under 3 different coaches.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Dec 14, 2009 10:40 PM CST up reply actions
Terry's half correct......
He’s correct in that player’s do have to execute the plays that are being called. However, after studying a lot of film, coaches and players can see other teams tendencies/weaknesses. Since Norv has worked with Wade, he does know some of Wade’s defensive schemes/tendencies in certain circumstances. Wade should know some of Norv’s schemes/tendencies as well. It’s the coaches responsibility to get the players ready to execute and recognize those offensive/defensive tendencies when they are in the game. The main area that I saw Norv get the best of Wade was on their opening drive because he did some unorthodox plays to confuse our defense.
Sorry Dallas,
actually I was agreeing with Kansas Cowboy’s post of the day prior. It just looks like that because there were responses to Kansas’ post on the same day and I posted the next day. But to your point of “player execution being a result of bad coaching” I refer you to the Nebraska Texas game this year. The Suh kid from Nebraska was kicking the OL of Texas’ ass all day. Do you think none of the Texas coaches said “block that guy.?” I guess they were poorly coached or maybe Suh was just better.
BTW, I never agree with you. Once again you have missed the boat.
There are always exceptions....
And it has to be a balance of coaching along with performance of players. Any smartass can find examples to fit his argument.
Now name another example of this…
So what is it then Genious?
the Cowboys players execution is a result of good coaching? or are you saying that regardless of coaching, these players won’t execute?
If you think our players just can’t execute because they can’t, you’ll see with your own eyes what a real coach can get out of them, cause these coaches are a joke. Coaches that are good take underachieving players and make them winners all the time-period. They are poor evaluators. They make bad decisions- accept it.
I knew it was too much to believe that you would come to admitting that you agree with me, even if it is the truth. Your agreement is not sought. You simply post against what I say for disputing what I say. it has nothing to do with the truth, does it Jevans?
The Truth is funny, isn’t it Jevans?
The way you post, sounds like you believe the coaches have done a good job.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Dec 15, 2009 6:18 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with tex
Just look at wade’s past..he never has won a playoff game…the guy is not a winner its quite evident..Time to move on
I like Wade Scandrick
But I don’t like the fact that Garrett has been given a free ticket to call plays with no one to answer to. Do you believe Garrett answers to Wade? That is the root core problem of the offense.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Dec 13, 2009 8:59 PM CST up reply actions
Nothing to gain with a change right now
If we miss the playoff’s he’ll be gone the day after the Philly game. If we make the playoffs but don’t win a game, he’ll be gone the following day. I actually think that he’ll be fired if we don’t get to the NFC Championship game. Unless we make the playoffs, win at least one and look formidable I think Jerry will make a change.
I want him and Garrett both fired even if we win a playoff game (which we won't).
That’s how much I hate them.
Jimmy Johnson for GM.
If they finish 8-8
maybe get in position for a decent draft choice…#18-20 perhaps.
Just kidding…maybe.
we need philly to win tonight..
if the giants can blow 2 more game we should have a shot…If dallas can win 1 of the next 2 and somehow beat philly its possible they still win the division…Either way bye wade u cupcake
First non bashing Romo post that I can remember
and the first time I agree w/ you 100%, Wade needs to go now!!!, give Grantam the DC job and make Red ball the interim head coach, so if we lose out we can fire him too
"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards
by nicholas.rodriguez on Dec 13, 2009 7:29 PM CST reply actions
Don't scare me like that nicholas
losing is one thing, but the thought of continuing to loose and not doing anything about it REALLY scares me.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Dec 13, 2009 8:31 PM CST up reply actions
we're not going to play better with a new coaching staff
the players just need to play better, simple as that
In Romo we Trust
Do you watch football?
Because you seem to make a lot of simple minded blanket statements that mean nothing. Who is supposed to motivate the players to play better if not the coaching staff?
Little Fairies in pink dresses??
Since 1970 also
just because you watched football that long, doesn’t mean squat.
your analysis is wrong Terry. Garrett has been horrible, and not only this year. If you were right, then we wouldn’t be writing these words, would we? and the coaches wouldn’t be loosing they’re jobs (like you already know is gonna happen).
When a new coach takes these same players to the Super Bowl next year, I’m gonna refer you to all the posts you made about how it’s player execution and coaching having nothing to do with it.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Dec 13, 2009 8:27 PM CST up reply actions
I really love
when I am not the only one arguing a point. I am apparently wrong so often that I need a little help to see when I am right.
Your not wrong
and it doesn’t take a crystal ball for Terry and Aussie to see the future. They both have been arguing vehemently that the coaches (specifically Garrett) have nothing to do with it, that it’s player execution.
They argue points that seem ridiculous, because the Dallas Cowboys offense has proven nothing.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Dec 13, 2009 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
What truth?
The one that me and you have debated? That Wade and Garrett are responsible, that truth, or that they’re jobs are on the line?
Your the one saying it’s the players and execution, not the coaches, so you tell me if the truth hurts, okay?
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Dec 13, 2009 9:05 PM CST up reply actions
and lack of execution is the truth, but you can't accept that
you can’t admit the players need to play better, lay all the blame on Garrett.
Ridiculous
In Romo we Trust
Ridiculous
is you not realizing that a coach can get execution out of a player. Bad coaches can’t. It’s really ridiculous that you’ve been a fan of football as long as you have been, and you don’t realize THAT!
Of course the players need to play better- THAT’s THE POINT.
Player execution is the result, not the cause, Mr. Ridiculous.
You really make this too easy Terry. I’ve been waiting for some valid point from you forever, but I haven’t seen it yet. i keep expecting one, but now I’m beginning to think your just a bunch of wasted typing.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Dec 14, 2009 7:42 PM CST up reply actions
and thats simnply not true
coaching has nothing to do with player execution unless they have joysticks on the sidelines controlling their movements.
Last time I checked, this isn’t Madden, its real football.
In Romo we Trust
I notice Terry
You always make that stupid comment of yours when you get frustrated. Someone’s got to be keeping a tally of you on how many times you’ve posted that stupid remark. Does it bring you some sort of twisted weird satisfaction making a comment like that which makes no sense at all?
Why don’t you use some other kitchen utensils? like
“Fork meets Spoon, my son” or
“Mop meets bucket, my son” or
……….?
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Dec 15, 2009 10:11 PM CST up reply actions
Tom Landry
Every Cowboys fan knows who that guy was and the genius football mind that he had.
Still, in many of his years he had talent rich teams and very little to show for it.
Why? He used to say that he can’t make the plays that the players have to make.
Bill Parcells used to say the same thing in his tenure as the Cowboys Head Coach.
We’re talking about 2 Hall of Fame Head Coaches that talked about the importance of execution from the players and how it can be the difference between winning and losing.
But yeah! Great Coaches can get execution from their players! WOHOOOOO!
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
So what I am hearing is it doesnt matter who the HC is?
Because if we have great players that execute we will win no matter what? Isn’t that kind of lie saying I got cruise control on my Porsche so I don’t really need to drive because it will do te right thing on its own
Barry Swtizer and Jimmy Johnson's players say: Hi!
The players took the team to the Conference Championship in his first year and won the Super Bowl in his 2nd year… As soon as Switzer had less of the team and the talent was older, the level of play nose dived.
Don’t misunderstand our point of view, coaches are very important, they’re responsible of finding weaknesses in the opposition and how to exploit those with the strengths of their team, while finding their own weaknesses and how to hide them.
But as Landry and Parcells used to say: if the players can’t execute, the most likely thing is that they won’t win.
I respect their opinions more than the opinions of anyone in here, you know?
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
Of Course
But we do have players that CAN execute (which has been proven by the sporadic high level of play). Our coaches are NOT finding those weaknesses and are not exploiting anything when the guys get down.
Switzer was also at fault for not getting better players in there after the team started nose diving. I know everyone blames Jerry but, JJ does give the coaches some leeway.
Its funny how New Orleans can get down by 3 touchdowns and then after the COACH evaluated things at half time came back and COACHED his players to a WIN.
But, thank you for proving my point Chandus.
Just because you are used to losing doesn’t mean you have to remain a loser.
Hold on
U Texan, but isn’t that Sean Payton you are talking about? The same Sean Payton that was literally run out of N.Y. when he was the OC for the Giants? The same guy who went 8-8 last year for the Saints? Why didn’t anyone say the guy couldn’t coach when he went 8-8 after a winning season?
UM
All I said about the Saints in this post is that the coaching staff turned a LOSING effort into a winning effort by COACHING.
But, yes those same Saints that were 8-8 were coached and trained to do the right thing in the of season and now Lo and behold they are winning. Oh and 8-8 for the Aints was good….
We aren’t the Aints
HALLELUJAH COACHING WORKS!!
Well
8-8 wasn’t good based on their prior year’s performance but no one called for Payton’s head. I still can’t get past how terrible 8-5 is. The Cardinals are 8-5 and lead their division. We are a game back. The man has coached to a 30-15 record. I mean damn, this analysis is a little harsh. I think most folks here just don’t like the guy because of his demeanor and his age and that is hardly fair.
His record is just a mirage concealing the big desert that we are lost in.
I for one credit the 13-3 season to Parcells. And once again we are not the Aints or the Cardinals who both have a record of 8-8 being “good enough”..
The fact that we almost let KC mug us and Washington walk away with a win is bad enough but, then the leads we have given up without any real fight is just plain unforgivable. IM (not so) HO
By your own
admission you can’t credit the 13-3 season to Parcells. Parcells was 9-7 his last year and Wade took them to 13-3. You are willing to give Payton credit for the team being “coached and trained to do the right thing in the off season” yet not willing to provide the same credit to Wade for doing exactly the same thing.
Yet they have exacly the same job and I think Wade’s is tougher! That is just not right.
BTW, we beat Washington they did not walk away with a win.
Good catch, I left out almost....sorry bad typing skills
Other than that we have to agree to disagree.
So you are
admitting that you are applying different criteria to the two head coaches as determining their relative levels of success? If so, just say you don’t like Wade because he is old and be done with it. I was hoping for some objectivity. I mean it’s o.k. it is your opinion.
Dude I like old coaches
Loved Landry, Liked Parcells and don’t mind Shanahan (57) so it has nothing to do with age. You are obviously letting your ignorance determine what you write in posts.
I don’t like Wade because of his demeanor, his lack of fire, and inability to finish.
I just hate that us Evans have to argue.
Gee and
I thought it was a debate. I was being facetious with the old thing but you’re getting a little snarky so I will let this area go and respond to your other comment about Suh. See ya there. BTW, glad to know I have a namesake on the blog. Nice.
If I had a Heisman vote
It would have been for Suh. I watch every Texas game but, my second college team is Nebraska. So yeah Suh is one of those rare dudes I would love to have on our Cowboys team.
True
But we do have players that CAN execute (which has been proven by the sporadic high level of play).
But consistency is a problem, they can look All World in one play and All Suck in the next play.
Its funny how New Orleans can get down by 3 touchdowns and then after the COACH evaluated things at half time came back and COACHED his players to a WIN.
The Coach is in the field executing the plays? Else, the players are the ones executing the plays. For my point, you can look up at the comments from Landry and Parcells.
And this conversation is over, you have your mind set on something and I’m the same.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
See,
you are my namesake I knew you could do it.
My man
we are all on the same squad here. Trust me on this one, I have been suffering this Cowboy pain a lot longer than most every one here so I do know how you feel. I just seriously doubt that a new HC gets us instant gratification. Remember cutting T.O. was supposed to get us that too. I’m just sayin’……
Oh dude I understand there is no instant gratification
in football, but I just can not see running with this go nowhere coach. I didn’t support Wade to begin and I never can. He just isnt THE GUY….
Hey,
if you never liked the “cut of the man’s jib” than fine with me. But the Cowboys are starting to look a little schizoid with this coaching thing. Somewhere, someday, sometime, they are going to have to commit to someone and stop this win the SB or you’re fired s$%t. They are not winning SBs and they are firing everybody.
I completely agree with you.
They are looking nuts alot like a Carousel of coaches strolling through our doors. But its ok we will eventually find the “one”.
if we have players capable of executing consistently
we would be better than 8-5. Finding weaknesses and exploiting them has nothing to do with player execution.
In Romo we Trust
answer to your question by the way
is that pro players don’t need motivated, they aren’t HS kids like you.
In Romo we Trust
Have you been watching the games?
Because these guys need motivation and good play calling…Period. Maybe you should pay attention when you watch football…ok
Terry you are like the leaders of the old Soviet Union
They would announce five year plans with stuff like “Productivity must improve by 50%”
Players just have to play better? That’s all there is to it? How is tht going to happen?
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
I got it Seanrude!
Garrett or Wade will take the Podium and say “Our players have to play better” in a cold, stoic, unemotional voice, and it will just happen!
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Dec 13, 2009 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
Hey they arent in HS or anything
they need to motivate themselves and figure it out on their own. The coaches are only there to organize field trips and schedule makeovers!
Players can't be expected to execute if they don't have any damn discipline
And aren’t held accountable for their mistakes. Why don’t people understand this?
Jimmy Johnson for GM.
I mean really, what do you think coaches do?
Stand on the sidelines and cheer-lead? You think the players coordinate the practices and call all the plays? I don’t see how anybody in their right mind could not see that the coaching on this team sucks.
Jimmy Johnson for GM.
The buck needs to stop somewhere Terry
otherwise with your logic (it’s the players, stupid), a coach would never lose his job.
There have been plenty of times in NFL history where a new coach comes in and turns a team around with the same players. Maybe not in mid-season, but certainly at the start of the year.
Thank you David
Yes, players do make plays but coaches draw up those plays. Coaches motivate those players to execute better. Coaches will those players to be the best men that they can be.
Players show the world what kind of coach they have by the amount of heart they display.
Ability is not made but it can be molded! By a good coach!
Hopefully the coach that replaces Wade
will bring in some new players…
Name me one coach that has fired an entire team.
In the modern era name one coach that has come in and replaced an entire team that finished 8-8 or better?
Are you just throwing out random statements?
I never said the new coach would replace the entire team
I said he would bring in new players
In Romo we Trust
I'm sure we can all think of several players
we’d like to see replaced in 2010…the new coach is welcome to bring in whatever players he wants to place those positions, and others. No new coach is going to come in here and replace Romo, so don’t fret Terry. Unless Jerry hires Josh McDaniels!
and a new coach isn't going to take us to the playoffs either
thats on the players regardless of who is coaching
In Romo we Trust
Just because you say it doesn't make it so, Terry
besides, a new coach will have just as much of a chance of making it to the playoffs next year as Wade and the Boy Blunder have done the last two years.
Exactly, The worst that will happen with a new coach is that the Cowboys will fail to make the playoffs
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
Players vs. Coaches
The whole “players win games not coaches” argument is pretty weak. Clearly, the coach is extremely important. Good coaches are not miracle workers but they can make a good team play great.
When you say that it is
on the players regardless of who is coachingyou are either stating the obvious point that the players, and not the coaches, are indeed the ones on the field, or you just fail to understand the important role of the head coach.
Todd Haley?
I wish we had kept Sean Payton. When he was QB coach he coached Quincy Carter, Drew Beldsoe and Vinny Testaverde to 3000 yard seasons— imagine what he could do with Romo. And he hasn’t been too shabby in New Orleans either.
I mean, he’s almost as much of an offensive genius as Princeton boy!
There have been many, many coaches
that have taken over underacheiving teams largely intact and turned them into winners instantly. Sure, a new player here and there, but for the most part these coaches have somehow – through strngth of leadership or intelligence – made lackluster players into champions. Not saying that it will happen in Dallas, just that it CAN happen.
Exactly
Terry just wants to argue to try and feel superior in his great wealth of knowledge but, he never really seems to say anything.
In fact I think it WON'T happen
in Dallas so long as Jerry is still…Jerry.
Like Tony Sparano and Sean Payton
if only we could find guys like that
by I_miss_Switzer on Dec 13, 2009 8:26 PM CST up reply actions
And Todd Haley could do something in a year or two, as well.
I saw a dog today. Have you seen a dog? You probably have. How was school? Was it fun? Did you get a lot of homework? Huh? Do you have any friends? Do you have a best friend? Does he have a big coat, too?
by Aaron Novinger on Dec 13, 2009 8:39 PM CST up reply actions
who? which coaches? a list, please.
Who are these magical coaches that turn losers into winners? Phil Jackson? Is it your contention that it’s Phil Jackson’s Zen Buddhist approach to centered thought and quiet, focused effort that takes a team to the next level?
No… probably not that, right? It’s probably the… I don’t know… the Triangle Offense, his 50 years of experience, and… Kobe, Shaq and MJ.
All of you sure did take those fire and brimstone half time speeches to heart in high school. Probably the high water mark of your lives. Probably many of you coach children so you can be a mini-Landry.
John Fox should be screaming his head off at Jake Delhomme, right? Tell him about his buddy who died and asked him to win just one more for the Gipper, right? He should kick over tables in the lunch room and make Delhomme wear a tutu at practice, right?
And while he’s spending his time screaming at a grown man who makes $9 million a year, he should be telling his assistants to do the same… and then he’ll move down the locker room to do the same to Julius Peppers, right? Because that is how a professional employee guiding the fortune of a $500 some odd million franchise should conduct himself… like you would when you get angry.
There is a problem with coaching on this team. Tactically and in game, it’s fine enough. Strategically they are hamstrung by not having a professional GM to provide them the ideal ingredients to produce the gourmet dinner they’re capable of.
These are professionals
It’s not the days of red grange where football paid less than changing tires and the forward pass had yet to be invented.
These are all professional employees who earn a great deal of money and have a great deal of unblinking focus on their performance.
At work, does your boss fire up the sales staff using empty, loud, stupid rhetoric? Probably many do… and none of them are successful, because that is stupid.
A good sales manager will give his/her employees a game plan, arm them with basic skills, assist where they see weaknesses and pressure them to motivate themselves to achieve the best results.
Pro football is no different. Despite the fact that you played high school ball and your buddy was a walk on at Directional U, or you were in the military and were afraid of your sergeant.
If Kyle Kosier fails to use his hands on a bull rush correctly, and the coach calls him out in film study for loafing and falling into bad habits… and Kosier continues to fail, it’s not the coach’s fault.
And, I don’t understand why you all feel that if Wade doesn’t get animated on the sidelines… that it somehow suggests to a $10mm a year athlete that it’s ok to lose. You think Wade’s facial expressions have meaning because you are watching a show on TV.
Nope, he should sit on his fat @ss and grimace and pray that they win because the
sh*t is about the hit the fan. Or he can just say boys its gonna get better if you just do your best. I know that we worked on these plays so please execute them properly.
Noone said to yell about old buddies or any of that movie crap. What we want is more of an expression that the I just pooped my pantys can someone please change my depends.
What we want is someone that will look the guys in the eye after they screw up and say HEY, YOU NOW YOU CAN DO BETTER THAN THIS! YOU MAKE 9 MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR TO DO THIS!
Wade makes 3 mill. a year to get sh*t done, and done right. Up until last week we had a fairly cake schedule and it was a struggle for most of the games. If the players had not executed as well as they did we would be way worse off than we are now.
yeah, like yelling at professional athletes will make a difference, lol!
This isn’t HS or college.
In Romo we Trust
Your arguments are just argumentative and have no depth.
Because I said so…lol You repeat the same thing and make no real substantive posts.
Tell me why so many other coaches in the NFL do it then?
Terry is owning you, buddy
TERRY. Terry is punching holes in your baseless rhetoric.
You need to re-evaluate your stance.
50% of coaches in the NFL fail, btw, and 31 don’t win it all.
Your argument’s only basis is your adherence to a fallacy. “Your arguments are just argumentative and have no depth.” Your “depth” is that coaches need to shout. Brilliant.
If your argument that players need to shout or mentor or upbraid or call out other players, then I’d be on board with you.
You will see it
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Dec 13, 2009 8:43 PM CST up reply actions
Ode to Tex....
I think our “Pear Shaped” Head Coach is toast….I’m trying to drink the cool aid….but it dont taste like playoffs…JMO
American by birth, COWBOYS FAN by the grace of God.
Oh and by the way...
Santa Ana never lost in a 1.2 BILLION $ Stadium…lol
American by birth, COWBOYS FAN by the grace of God.
by jgoddard8409 on Dec 13, 2009 7:50 PM CST up reply actions
Hey Terry
That Wade did a bang-up job during the game didn’t he??
Every time something went wrong he was getting on everyone’s case, refocusing them…..
No, wait, he doesn’t do that
He was going around, encouraging guys, saying “It’s OK, we’ll get it back….”
Oh, no that’s right, he doesn’t do that either.
Nope, he stood there looking like he had diarhea in his diaper.
And, Garrett. He finally calls a good drive, gives the offense a chance to smash another team-and then chokes up at the goalline! That’s when you run a playaction, Garrett. That’s the whole point
he wised up next time, when it was too late. Geez.
This team doesn’t have Super Bowl talent-but it could be better w/ some motivation-yes, coaches do that.!
Realist Larry
Is for Real!! If coaches didnt motivate or inspire or teach then they would just be baby sitters…right?
But these guys dont need motivation they just need to do what they know, huh Terry? Cause football players have played for so long they alredy know what to do and never get down. Players are supposed to be all knowing, all understanding super men, and if they arent then fire them all dammit!
Oh wait in reality it is the coaches job to motivate, and teach,and address issues that need addressing…
Coaching Is the Single
Most important reason why teams win. Sparano inherits an awful Dolphin team, bereft of talent, and they win the division the next year. Bill Walsh assumes control of maybe the worst franchise in pro sports at the time, and they win the Super Bowl three years later and go on to a dynasty. Tony Dungy takes over a Tampa Bay team that had a decade of 10-loss seasons, and takes them to the playoffs next year. Andy Reid takes over a franchise in shambles, and has them in the playoffs in two years, and in the championship game in three. The list of great coaching goes on and on. If it were the players, then a) the team would have been almost as good before the new head coach took over, because the turnover isn’t that great from year to year, and b) the players that leave the team would have the same success—look at all the apparently good players let go by the Eagles and Patriots who fade into the woodwork, while the team they left continues to win.
It’s the coaching, stupid. Good coaches make the difference between good and great, or mediocre and good.
Exactly
The list is replete with NFL coaches taking over moribund or underachieving teams and changing them around with largely the same cast of players (see Lombardi, Vince; Shula, Don; Miller, Red; Gibbs, Joe; Cowher, Bill et al).
Hey don't forget my favorite example...
Jimmy Johnson… :-)
The 2009 Dallas Cowboys: Talk to me in December.
The NFC East has won 11 Super Bowls; oddly none of those have come courtesy of the Eagles.
Jerry Jones head in his hands wasthe only sight I needed to see......
hat was the most telling thing I have seen in a while… Change is coming and Jerry will do the right thing this time. He is tired of 14 years of mediocrity and he realizes that he can no longer ride the wave of greatness from the 90’s.
So its Wades fault DWare got injured?
Gimme a break Tex
"Where's Woody? - We need another Darren Woodson
Garrett
looked a lot better when Sparano was there helping with the play calling. When it comes to crunch time plays he just doesn’t have or do what it takes to make a difference. I think we really need a coaching change (actually thought that last year) but with the structure set up within this team I am not confident it is going to make a big difference anyway.
Really?
Then who is responsible for the Cowboys generating more yards so far this season than they have ever done before in the history of the franchise?
I suspect that the total yards gained is somewhat misleading
as the offense has had many long gainers, or “explosive” plays as Garrett calls them. This is a good thing – no, a great thing.
However, it seems that the offense also shuts down at inopportune times and has (relatively) many 3 and outs. In other words, when the offense is good, it’s very good, but when it’s bad, it’s horrid. Witness the stellar 16 points per game the last 5 games. Again, this is anecdotal evidence, I have not done a statsitcial analysis. But it rings true.
earlier in the season Garret was roasted.........
…… for throwing 2 fades in the red zone after running the ball to get there. “He should have stayed with what was working” and the like were the commencts. So, he runs the ball and get down there, 1st down get;s them down to the 1, he has every right to expect the OL to be able to get them a yard. If he had called a pass and it failed he would be roasted for not “sticking with what was working”, right? He’s in a no win situation if they don’t score, whatever was called was the wrong call.
I agree that we can't really complain
about the four straight runs at the one-yard line. My only nitpick would be to give Choice a chance in those circumstances. Dude’s always able to eke out a yard or two. Meanwhile, it always seems like Barber is good for 2-3 negative plays a game.
any play
that didn’t work would have been a horrible call by Garrett. If he flips it to Jones instead of Barber and Jones fumbles or gets stopped it’s a horrible call. If he runs a fade and Roy drops it it’s a terrible call. You get the idea.
The real solution would have been to just kick the field goal. Of course Folk would miss it and Garrett would be blamed for that too.
maybe after
the first two tries he should have thought about trying something different. No matter what the situation he seems too stubborn to realize what is not working and go another direction. Now I am not a football guru but it sure seems to me that different teams might call for different schemes.
I thought Garrett might roll out the Razorback...
…on 3rd down.
The 2009 Dallas Cowboys: Talk to me in December.
The NFC East has won 11 Super Bowls; oddly none of those have come courtesy of the Eagles.
I don't have a problem with the runs......
but why keep running it in the same place over and over. Other thing that Sims said was “why do you pull your guards down there?” You mean you can’t just have your 300 lb. guys move straight ahead and create a hole? I think Garrett got too fancy and it back-fired on him.
That's really it Tex
Garrett was trying to apply “overgenious” to running the way he does to passing. I believe the running offense, to Garrett, is too foreign a concept. There are a hell of alot of running plays we haven’t seen. It seems like he runs out of fill in between passes, and doesn’t realize the importance of mixing the playcalling well. He just gets into his passing rythym, and says the heck with it.
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by DallasPalace on Dec 14, 2009 7:49 PM CST up reply actions
nice guy finishes last...
maybe not last but definitely not first.
bye bye Wade.
"What we've got here is failure to communicate"
For Once I agree
Wade has to go, not all his fault, but the man at the top has to be accountable. The Dec. collapse isn’t coincidence, it is a trend, and the trend has to stop.
I just don’t think Wade inspires the team and his in game adjustments are poor. He still can’t figure out how to get to the QB on 3rd down..
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I like Wade alot. I really regret the situation that he has no real control over the offense. Garrett has doomed him. I think Wade has done a good job with the D. It could be better, but our D is better since he took over. But we need a head coach, and bad. One that oversees what Garrett is calling, and help Jason. He needs help, and more experience. I feel sorry for Tony, and his regression, and I’ve been concerned about it for a year and a half. I’m distraught over it.
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by DallasPalace on Dec 14, 2009 7:53 PM CST up reply actions
the truth hurts, doesn't it?
Just can’t accept the fact that you’re wrong, thats a shame really.
In Romo we Trust
Lets keep going with Wade PLEASE!!
then we can really see who is wrong. What will it take Terry 10 more losing seasons with Wade? 15…how many will it take for you to see that he doesn’t have what it takes.
And before you say but, he’s only been here a few years…. True but, he didn’t have what it took to FINISH in Buffalo or anywhere else he has been. So you can continue to be a blind idiot and I will go along with you. Just because you are so adamantly stupid about this one topic. So here we go buddy!
GO WADE…4 MORE YEARS 4 MORE YEARS
I got news for you
Until we acquire some offensive linemen that can actually block and safeties that can cover and make plays, we aren’t going to win any more games with any other coach.
If you think getting in a rah rah coach will make a difference, you’re delusional. We need better execution by the players and the coaches aren’t responsible for that the players are.
In Romo we Trust
without getting in on your debate, Terry.....
I think both you and UT have some valid points. Terry you are correct in that you need better execution. However, (I may be reading you wrong UT so forgive me if I am) when these players are not executing who (Wade, Jason etc.) is holding players accountable? There are ways to get players to perform without getting in their face yelling at them. In fact, Parcells would give the infamous stare down. Landry, would stare at you as well. That is my main concern with Wade. In public he comes across as being soft,defensive, and sometimes clue-less. Does this mean that he really is? Who knows?
All I’m trying to say out of all this is, yes it is on the players to execute the game plan etc. but when they don’t there has to be consequences. The players have to be accountable to themselves and to the team. A good coach can’t be afraid of benching a player. I think the perfect example of this is Folk. A good coach would realize that he’s not producing. He doesn’t blame the holder, etc. He faces the problem head on and either benches Folk (which I happen to think is the right thing) or he cuts him. This would send a message to the team that they have to be accountable to the team. So the big question that I have, Does Wade hold the players accountable? I have my doubts that he does.
I think it's more than that
Does Wade overstep a boundary and discipline an offensive player like Folk? If this responsibility is the head coaches, then who? Our “other” head coach, Garrett? I think Wade doesn’t want to make Garrett look bad, and Garrett cannot take charge and do something himself. If Garrett did something, it would make Wade look bad.
With all these people on here crying Terry’s sentiment (it’s not coaching, it’s the players and they’re execution), did they ever stop and think about the reality of the Dallas Cowboys coaching situation, and it’s shortcomings, before they post that kind of nonesense?
When one single coach gets the chance to control the team, and hold it accountable, without Jerry’s meddling, that is when the team can accomplish something. Of course, he’d have to be the right coach.
This teams decisionmaking by it’s coaches in regards to player evaluation, drafting, playing time, roles, accountability, as well as playcalling have been weak for awhile now. It can’t continue if this team is ever going to turn the corner.
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by DallasPalace on Dec 16, 2009 7:06 PM CST up reply actions
The problem is structure and talent.
A head coach must coach, inspire, lead, put the players in the best possible position to succeed and get the most out of the players that he has at his disposal to achieve ultimate success. Just as important, the head coach needs the authority to threaten to get the most out of the players and coaches that are under him.
Without being in the locker room or meeting rooms I cannot sit here and say that Wade doesn’t do the things listed above, except one thing I do know and that is that Wade doesn’t have the authority to threaten the players or coaches and make changes to personel as he see’s fit. That task is at Jerry’s feet by design. I’m not even sure that if Wade had that power that he’d make the correct moves at this time but we will never know.
Wade’s chance to succeed in this type of structure hinges on emmense talent in all areas of the team and to have the players execute the plays designed for them. When things go south under this type of structure, Wade doesn’t have the tools to correct the slide. The system in place is too easy for the players and coaches to offer their excuses as to why the job isn’t getting done. The accountability of said actions is void and it makes Wade look like the bad guy.
Wade was doomed from the start without all engine parts running smoothly by accepting the head coaching position without any authority over his offensive coordinator and personel decisions. Dating back to last year, we’ve all been screaming for accountability from the players, but the one area that seriously undermines Wades authority wasn’t even offered as he accepted the head coaching position and that was Wade’s power to hire and fire to effect change.
Honestly Wade isn’t the type to be ruthless and threaten. He will ask and expect the players to play hard for him and most do. Problem is some probably don’t, there are always a few on every team and it only takes a few less than stellar efforts to stall a team’s success especially when they know Wade cannot let them go as a result. The most Wade can do is demote them and hope those players don’t erode the team.
As far as coaches are concerned, all Wade can do is ask for their best, he cannot demand their best or else. Big difference there. Until the structure of this team changes, expect no change in the results unless we load up on talented players who demand their brothers play at their level and hold themselves accountable. We just don’t have that much talent for that direction to take hold. We need talent in the trenches and structure from the head coach down. I feel badly for Wade because I think he’s a nice person who deserves better, but it is what it is. I just pray that the next head coach that’s hired when the time comes is given the authority to hold all personel accountable or else. More talented players who execute wouldn’t hurt either.
He's fine Tao
Take it from the king of long posts-me! we are all really frustrated now. I agree with what he’s saying.
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by DallasPalace on Dec 14, 2009 7:56 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks DallasPalace
And your right, I am frustrated as a lot of us fans are.
Wade Could be Great
As a defensive coordinator. I like his 3-4 and he did a great job when he was in San Diego. He is a smart football guy, just not a legitimate head coach.
13-3 is illegitimate?
And he actually is a head coach. It’s on his business cards. So… it’s legit.
Oh Yeah
He’s real legit— never mind the fact that Jerry Jones picked all his staff and tells him which players to play.
And if you are fine with 13-3 and getting bounced in the first round of the playoffs, you have really low expectations for a Cowboy fan. This is a franchise that wins Superbowls, not brags about a good regular season record.
It absolutely cannot by the terms of your argument...
If you say that coaches make such a difference, then the success of a group year to year has to be counted towards the coach that was there for the Super Bowl. You have officially completely contradicted yourself.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Dec 15, 2009 5:50 PM CST up reply actions
You knew that's what Terry was gonna say, Didn't you UT?
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by DallasPalace on Dec 16, 2009 7:12 PM CST up reply actions
I agree Tao
This was known when Wade was hired. I like Wade, and wish it would have worked out. Pay no attention to the wolfpack that attacks you for such beliefs by the way Tao.
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by DallasPalace on Dec 16, 2009 7:09 PM CST up reply actions
HOLD ON
Wade year might be over but he still have three games left!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wont take up 4 him but he is not responsible 4 players play. Like T zig say we dont know what is going on we went threw Parcels to a soft spoken Wade with the same results. Sum thing is up what i dont kno……………but i do not blame him 4 the giants lost in 2007 that was on Cb Jac Reeves Face mask penalty…..
The 2008 meltdown credit the O 4 that one, every game the D was left there to break
2009 we had a 2 game lead o the division…….we came from no where to take the division but …..the book is not close yet ………watch out we might got one huge fight left in us. …………..so until we r knock from the playoffs just hold your thoughts and breaths…….bc Wade isnt the only head that should roll (JG)
We are alot more talented than when Tuna was here lostar
although you wouldn’t know it by results. But some of the weaknesses are so obvious, that an elementary student could recognize it possibly better than the coaches have, or maybe they have recognized it. But to not do nothing about it? that’s worse.
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by DallasPalace on Dec 14, 2009 7:59 PM CST up reply actions
parcells
when parcells first came here he brought in a few players but basically made the playoffs with the roster from year before. so a coach come in and make difference ,imo.
Wade's a Lame Duck
I have heard it said many a time……..you never let your coach coach the last year of his contract……….you either extend him………..or you fire him and replace him.
Wade is a lame duck coach………..he did nothing in Philly last year for Jerry to offer him a deal………….so like Danny boy in DC……….he just went cheap and didn’t fire Wade………instead he let him finish he lame duck term in office.
After the season is over………..sitting at 8-8 Wade will say no we aren’t losers……we were 500. He seems like a decent guy. I think he is probably a pretty good Defensive coordinator………..but the stats the Raf showed for defensive improvement………have those come thru……….if so have they resulted in wins…………maybe………just maybe Wades comments that we thought we could hold em to twenty……….were a shot across the bow of RED BALL………..somebody he inherited……….I might add………….
Let AIR JERRY land in Denver…………Tampa………….Raleigh…………let the legitimate coaching carousel start soon………….this team has parts and pieces in place to win more games than it has in the last two seasons……………I agree the oline ain’t as good as advertised and perhaps like the rest of the league we need to draft some O lIne in the first and 2nd round and maybe another WR…………but there is more talent on this team than the wins it is producing………….time to let some new coach have a crack at em………the current regime ain’t cutting the mustard
We don't have depth.
That’s why we collapse in December. Our backups aren’t just average or even bad, they are horrible.
From the last two years guys like Brad Johnson, Cory Proctor, Keith Davis, Alan Ball, and Doug Free have cost us late in the year. This year is not as bad as last year, but Doug Free makes some crucial mistakes and our secondary has not been the same without Ken Hamlin.
all things considered, Free hasn't been that bad
Ball either.
sensabaugh didnt show up sunday
by robolundgren on Dec 15, 2009 1:53 AM CST up reply actions
So many conflicting themes in these threads
Said it before – in the NFL it’s about(in order of importance): Talent, Scheme and Execution. And in order, the entities responsible are: Management, Coaching staff and players. Not exclusively, but primarily as it does overlap some. Heart, focus, desire, courage, fortitude are things sportswriters and fans write about and talk about because they are so subjective they can never be disproved. Sure, teams overachieve and underachieve, but those are largely short-term dynamics. If we were honest with ourselves, we would admit DAL has underachieved this decade largely the last 3 years, we simply didn’t have the talent to compete in the early part , even though we were told otherwise – by the man primarily responsible for accumulating it.
DAL is most frustrating now because we are maddeningly inconsistent and seem to underperform when the stakes are highest. We show ability offensively and defensively through above average, even superior statistical performance. But when a critical stop or score is required, these units fail as often as succeed. When an important or late-season win is needed , we can’t get it. Then gets debated as a lack of want-to, leadership, playcalling and players.
Talent, Scheme and Execution(IMO, without the 1st, the other 2 are less relevant) – for the Cowboys the glass is both half-full and half empty across all 3. Which is Best ? Which is Worst? How does that drive the ‘what to do about it’ discussion?
Always be more than you appear and never appear to be more than you are
The Cowboys
have alot of Talent…alot. They don’t have a good scheme, so they have poor execution, or subpar execution. However you classify it, it’s not good enough.
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by DallasPalace on Dec 17, 2009 7:43 PM CST up reply actions
and people ask me why december is my favorite month of the year.
e-a-g-l-e-s eagles!
see you guys in january.
;)
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