Cowboys Notes: Thinking Out Loud Tuesday
Some assorted notes and conversation starters for this short week:
Got to be Good Coaching Cause He's So Hard to See
I'm surprised that in the inevitable December, Wade-on-a-hot-seat churn that nobody has recalled that the Colts Jim Caldwell, he of the 13-0 start, was one of Jerry's interviewees back in the spring of 2007. Caldwell was the last of ten candidates that Jerry spoke to, and at the time, it seemed a formality (and part of satisfying the Rooney Rule).
Not so fast. I understand that organizations go "wide" in their searches for two reasons. First, front offices want to build dossiers on as many up-and-coming assistants as possible. Second, smart teams can use the opportunity to pick hot coordinators' brains, to add to their organization's strategic data-base. These are the guys making the offensive and defensive innovations, and your team can glean lots of off-season information for the price of a few plane tickets and hotel reservations.
I'm not implying that Caldwell should have been Dallas' choice. He was probably the least known of the ten, a list that included Mike Singletary and the Chargers DC Ron Rivera. I do think that Caldwell's, and Rivera's inclusion on that search bodes well for the next one. One of these days, sooner or later, Jerry and Stephen will be on the market again. And while some of the Cowboys Nation will scream for another big name, a Shanahan, or Cowher, or Gruden, the smarter choice, in my opinion, will be a smart, hungry, lesser known. Oh, sure, he will have to deal with the automatic he's-Jerry's-new-puppet meme, but so what? Let the idiots have their say.
The two most impressive hires in recent years, in my opinion, have been Mike Tomlin and Caldwell. Both had to follow entrenched winners; Bill Cowher in Tomlin's case, and Tony Dungy in Caldwell's. Both have been able to match and surpass their predecessors, and at rapid speed.
When the Cowboys do put out the "help wanted" sign, these are the types of coaches the team should pursue. They already have a pretty good list of these guys, based on the last search.
Good Coaches are Made, Not Anointed, or Simply Appointed
In the two minute offense you want to score points. Four minute offense, you want to use the clock and control the ball. This was brought home in 1972 when I was with the Cincinnati Bengals. With four minutes left in the game, we had an 11 point lead and had the ball. We lost the game.
-- Bill Walsh
Walsh told this anecdote in a speech on game management. What's not included is that he was the offensive coordinator in that '72 game, and cost his Bengals a win by calling passes which stopped the clock, when running six times would have burned enough time to deny the opponent a chance for the comeback.
I think we can safely say that Walsh learned from the experience.
I bring this up because Jason Garrett will likely be a candidate in that next search, unless Wade finds a way to stick and Garrett leaves. That fact no doubt leaves another sector of the fan base unimpressed, but I've seen this story before.
Sean Payton was given the play calling sheet in New York when Jim Fassell went stale, then lost it the next year when the Giants offense struggled. Fassell called them to a Super Bowl and Payton was allowed to join Bill Parcells in Dallas, to install the passing game. Payton had his growing pains here, but nobody is questioning his offensive acumen today.
I remember Oxnard in '06 when Parcells was breaking in Payton's successors. One morning he turned to the sideline, where Todd Haley and Tony Sparano were puzzling over the play sheet and screamed, "come on, make a call!" Haley took a beating that year from his top receiver, some fellow named T.O., but the lessons took hold. Haley had an impressive '08 season in Arizona, capped when he simultaneously yelled down a petulant Anquan Boldin on the sidelines while calling the game-winning touchdown drive against the Eagles. He's now running the Chiefs' show.
O.C's have learning curves, just like players. Garrett has had a few questionable games, but I do think he has a good understanding of his players' strengths and weaknesses. Will Dallas develop him for another team, as it did with Payton and Haley, or will it hang on to the latest young OC to cut his play-calling teeth on the Cowboys' sideline? It won't be an easy choice.
Finding Their Place
One matter which I believe Garrett has sorted out the last three weeks is his passing totem. Since the back-to-back 7 point games against Green Bay and Washington, the roles Miles Austin, Roy Williams and Jason Witten play have become more sharply defined.
Austin has been clearly elevated to the top passing priority and has 21 catches for 282 yards in that stretch. Witten has been even better, catching 26 balls for 350 yards. Williams role has been downgraded, in terms of attempts, but he nonetheless has found an important niche. He's averaging about 50-60 yards a game and is a primary red zone weapon for a Cowboys offense which has to rely on passing for its red zone touchdowns.
Teams have doubled Witten in the red zone for years, because he's been a prime target for Drew Bledsoe and Tony Romo. Recently, we've seen a red-zone division of labor emerge from the wideouts: Austin is given quick screens and crosses underneath, where his speed and tackle-breaking strength are put to best use, while Williams works the back halves of end zones on posts and fades. Together, they have five red zone TDs in those three games.
At this point, 13 games into the season, I think we can officially declare the Miles Austin experiment a success. A big success. He has nine starts and has this line for those games:
53 catches, 5.8 recs./game, 918 yards, 102 yds./game, 9 TDs, 1 TD/game.
That's better production on a per-game basis than T.O.'s monster '07 season. Williams, meanwhile, seems to be in that 4 catches for 60 yards mode. That's fine with me.
Dallas last had a trio of receiving threats in '06, when Owens had just over 1100 yards, Glenn just over 1000 and Witten close to 800 receiving yards.
What we're seeing now is a prime target in Austin, who looks like a 1400-1500 yard receiver over a full 16 games, a complement in Williams who at recent pace would get 1000 yards and a tight end who is an automatic 70-90 catches for 800 to 1000 yards.
And this production should continue. Austin is 25. Williams is 27. Glenn and Owens, in that '06 campaign, were 32 and 33 respectively. Glenn broke down the next season. Owens goes on, but at 36 no longer is posting those '07 caliber numbers.
The passing game has been rebuilt. The backfield has received heavy investment in recent years. It seems clear that the line needs upgrading to get this offense up to the elite level.
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loss of the season is coming for the Saints on Saturday. We Believe. I feel like we optimistic fans need a telethon.
Coach Winters: Mississippi State's offensive set. 2nd & 2 on our own 24, what defensive set might we call?
Alvin Mack: Eagle Zipper Hero, unless the setback shifts into the I.
Coach Winters: Good..[clicks to next slide], third and seven?
Alvin Mack: Oakie Thunder Lion. {What's your assignment?}
Alvin Mack: Kill the quarterback. {{Coach Winters clicks to next slide}}
Alvin Mack: Hit the tight end so hard his girlfriend dies. {{Coach Winters clicks to next slide}}
Alvin Mack: Kill everybody.
LOL- indeed...
i have a conference bridge from my 9-5 that we can use and everything :)
Coach Winters: Mississippi State's offensive set. 2nd & 2 on our own 24, what defensive set might we call?
Alvin Mack: Eagle Zipper Hero, unless the setback shifts into the I.
Coach Winters: Good..[clicks to next slide], third and seven?
Alvin Mack: Oakie Thunder Lion. {What's your assignment?}
Alvin Mack: Kill the quarterback. {{Coach Winters clicks to next slide}}
Alvin Mack: Hit the tight end so hard his girlfriend dies. {{Coach Winters clicks to next slide}}
Alvin Mack: Kill everybody.
by KD Drummond on Dec 15, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
very good blog........I agree that no one can really tell how these
OC’s will turn out later cause there might just be the perfect job that they fit well , for example Payton in NO. Garrett may turn out ok being a Head coach. The problem I see basically in Dallas is we have talent , we win games but now we need a difference maker and changing the HC maybe the way to go. It can’t hurt !
"When people talk about Super Bowl dynasties they mention the 1970's Steelers, 1980's 49ers, 1990's Cowboys and the current New England Patriots, but nobody has dominated the Super Bowl like Anheuser-Busch. In recent years, Budweiser has been the MVP of Super Bowl advertising -- making another company the favorite to win the Ad Meter poll was never an option."
Simon Noble
I'm not that convinced of the talent here.
by Road Warrior on Dec 15, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
i would think otherwise if we were getting blown out each game
yet we are in every game and usually it comes down to a few decisions each game. We match up with all the teams but something is missing and coaching is a good start but thats my opinion. Dont take it I dont like Wade cause I do. I just think being a D-coach has been his calling and he won’t take us to the next level.
"When people talk about Super Bowl dynasties they mention the 1970's Steelers, 1980's 49ers, 1990's Cowboys and the current New England Patriots, but nobody has dominated the Super Bowl like Anheuser-Busch. In recent years, Budweiser has been the MVP of Super Bowl advertising -- making another company the favorite to win the Ad Meter poll was never an option."
Simon Noble
Wow
I didn’t realize Roy was so young … nice!
I agree, I’m fine with Roy’s production now. Not worth the picks given, but that’s done and over with. We got ourselves a true #1, and a pretty solid #2, plus an All Pro tight end …. that’s money.
Yea roy is not far removed from my alma mater.......
Remember he was in Detroit first and that can put many years on your career lol
"When people talk about Super Bowl dynasties they mention the 1970's Steelers, 1980's 49ers, 1990's Cowboys and the current New England Patriots, but nobody has dominated the Super Bowl like Anheuser-Busch. In recent years, Budweiser has been the MVP of Super Bowl advertising -- making another company the favorite to win the Ad Meter poll was never an option."
Simon Noble
This is the money line
It seems clear that the line needs upgrading to get this offense up to the elite level.
Our line clearly lacks power and continuously struggles with quick rushers on the inside. Makes it difficult to use your talented backfield when they constantly get tackled behind the line. It’s become painfully clear to me why Garrett has called so many pass heavy games this season. The man has made a believer out of me this year.
I agree
Our OL is simply not a dominant run blocking line. They do a good job if the defense thinks there is a possibility of a pass, but when they have to line up to get a yard or two and its pure one on one blocking, they stink.
If our season is to be salvaged, it will be on the arm of #9 and the OLs protection of him.
In Romo we Trust
Great Write-Up Raf:
Although, I think P. Manning is the one calling the shots up in Indy.
Is it ever too early to talk draft?
- OL
- NT
- Safety
- LB
Am I missing anything?
Peyton Manning doesn't run that defense
Caldwell has them undefeated because he’s improved on the defense Dungy used to run. They’re not a strict Tampa 2 anymore, and they’re better for it.
by Rafael Vela on Dec 15, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
no, Colts win games, period
BTW, if you want to talk about qb records, then check out his playoff record, not so hot.
In Romo we Trust
Yeah, their defense has been surprisingly good.
Especially when you consider Sanders’ time lost to injury.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 15, 2009 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
Close, I'd say
in no particular order:
DE
LT
C/G
FS
ILB
NT
by Rafael Vela on Dec 15, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
Actually, I would prioritize the first four positions on that list.
by Rafael Vela on Dec 15, 2009 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
That seems about right.
With FS possibly moving up the list depending on what happens with Sensi.
I wonder if CB shouldn’t be on that list at some point also. Is Newman the No. 1 CB on this team at the end of next year?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 15, 2009 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
Sensi is a SS and I think he sticks
Hamlin is getting older though, and we’ve all seen what a really good playmaker at centerfield does for a secondary and a team.
by Rafael Vela on Dec 15, 2009 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, that's my impression, too.
Wither Mike Hamlin? I’m quite disappointed that he hasn’t been able to beat out Ball for the other safety spot.
For what it’s worth, Taylor Mays draft stock has slipped recently (though I imagine he’ll jump back up after workouts); so has Carlos Dunlap who has a very high ceiling but also major off-field concerns. So if you have to choose between say OT Anthony Davis (Rutgers-Jr, could be a top 10 pick in 2011), Dunlap (DE-Florida), or whichever falls out of Ronaldo McClain (MLB-Alabama) or Brandon Spikes (MLB-Florida)…who do you pick?
I really want a playmaker from one of the first 2 picks, as it seems that right now this team is solid across the board in starters but is lacking one or two playmakers to truly be elite.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 15, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Shouldn't stop you from dreaming...
I will say this, if Berry finds himself dropping into that 5-7 range, I would absolutely have no problem trading this year’s first and next year’s first as well to get him. It would be a lot, but the trade wouldn’t ruin this year’s draft and would bring in another playmaker to this defense. Plus, getting Berry in that range would be very solid value considering I think he is the second best player available alongside Suh from Nebraska.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Dec 15, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
based on what he has done this year I dont think Sensabaugh will be around..
Are u ready to pay him Ken Hamlin type money for what you have seen this season…Im not and Jerry shouldnt either..we already made a mistake paying Hamlin a big money contract. We cant afford to make the same mistake twice on the same position…..If I had to guess, Sensabaugh is not here next year…
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
yes, but we r stuck with Hamlin and you cant tie up huge money on the same position
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
I think it won't be quite the same
since Hamlin went to the Pro Bowl in that one year and therefore could demand a lot of money. With Sensi, I don’t think the bidding war or expected contract will be nearly as high since he won’t win any real accolades and we will be able to retain him at a pretty good rate.
As for Hamlin himself, I think we may have to use the uncapped year to say goodbye. That may be extreme, but his contract is so insanely high compared to what he does for this team. I like him as a person and think he is a slightly above average player, but to pay him like an elite safety is ridiculous. I would rather unload that money and draft a safety or even see if Sensi could play FS (seems to have the range) and move M. Hamlin to SS.
Like I said earlier, I know it would be out of the blue, but if Berry falls out of the top three, I would have no problem with Jerry trading up to get him. He would be an instant playmaker, and with him, Sensi, Jenkins, and Scandrick (Newman as well) we would have one of the best secondaries and one built on youth.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Dec 15, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
would we really have to pay him hamlin money?
and why did we give hamlin so much money? Everyone knew from the start he was way overpaid.
a starting quality safety is going to cost big bucks no matter how u slice it....
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
thats not happening either.....not with a high pick anyway...
those days are done….
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
That's crazy.
Sensabaugh is an upgrade. He had one bad game.
I saw a dog today. Have you seen a dog? You probably have. How was school? Was it fun? Did you get a lot of homework? Huh? Do you have any friends? Do you have a best friend? Does he have a big coat, too?
by Aaron Novinger on Dec 16, 2009 9:40 AM CST up reply actions
Aaron he isnt playing bad, but not great either...
Im not sure he will be worth what a starting safety in the league right now will be paid…
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
But he's under contract for a bargain price.
I guess we won’t know for sure until the “he’s an upgrade over Roy Williams” schtick wears off. I don’t think he will ever be that Darren Woodson-type of a cover freak, but a bigger version of a Brock Marion or something will do.
The playmaker I want back there needs to be a centerfielder, a FS. That may take time to develop unless Jerry goes for someone in FA.
I saw a dog today. Have you seen a dog? You probably have. How was school? Was it fun? Did you get a lot of homework? Huh? Do you have any friends? Do you have a best friend? Does he have a big coat, too?
by Aaron Novinger on Dec 16, 2009 9:57 AM CST up reply actions
+1 FA maybe the way to go if we need a immediate starter...
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
that's part of the problem......,
we get so called upgrades but they aren’t great players. Yes, Sensabaugh is an upgrade over Roy but how much? Hamlin is an upgrade but how much? All I’m trying to get at is they are upgrades but they are not difference makers imo.
You are right about that.
Just because they are better than what you had, doesn’t make them great. Replacing a Cavalier with a Lumina doesn’t make you Dale Earnhardt Jr.
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
What, draft a DE to play DE and not OLB? That's blasphemous.
by Road Warrior on Dec 15, 2009 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
You realize...
..that the Cowboys drafted their entire D-line of the past 4 years, only replacing one through free agency this past offseason. Pass-rushers are one of the foundational components of a football team, I don’t mind them being over-zealous in their pursuit of them.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 15, 2009 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
Looks like we'll get a first hand look
at our foundational components without Ware (presumably) on Saturday.
by Road Warrior on Dec 15, 2009 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
I think he will play.
He told a reporter yesterday he was fine and felt like he could play.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
im worried this is all talk to try to convince the Saints to spend some time prepping for him
however hopeful.
regardless, I think Victor Butler has his coming out party on Saturday night.
Coach Winters: Mississippi State's offensive set. 2nd & 2 on our own 24, what defensive set might we call?
Alvin Mack: Eagle Zipper Hero, unless the setback shifts into the I.
Coach Winters: Good..[clicks to next slide], third and seven?
Alvin Mack: Oakie Thunder Lion. {What's your assignment?}
Alvin Mack: Kill the quarterback. {{Coach Winters clicks to next slide}}
Alvin Mack: Hit the tight end so hard his girlfriend dies. {{Coach Winters clicks to next slide}}
Alvin Mack: Kill everybody.
by KD Drummond on Dec 15, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
not if he has to play in coverage, I wouldn't trust Butler doing that yet
he can rush the passer, though. Can he stop the run?
Do you mean 3-4 DE or 3-4 OLB/DE?
Marcus Spears’ position or Anthony Spencer’s?
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Raf probably means we lose Spears over the offseason, and draft his 3-4 DE replacement
I’m not so sure we should give up Spears though. He hasn’t been worth a 1st rounder, but he’s been solid for the position.
Spears is in a contract year....
I dont think he is here next year….
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
I'd add a speed WR to that list, too.
I do think LT, and C/G should be tops on the list, followed closely by FS. I do hope we retain Spears, so that we don’t need DE.
What're your thoughts on Shipley if he could be had in the 3rd?
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by Aaron Novinger on Dec 16, 2009 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
I'd take him as a slot receiver........
The guy has great hands and runs really good routes.
And returns punts.
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by Aaron Novinger on Dec 17, 2009 9:17 AM CST up reply actions
One problem with drafting for the OL
It could take some time for a rookie offensive lineman to make an impact. Anyone we draft might not make a difference in 2010 and we’ll be in this same spot next year.
Yeah, so?
They still need talent.
And a lot of teams went with OTs as rookies and they performed.
Look in recent years at Jordan Gross, Jeff Otah, Jake Long, Ryan Clady, Andre Brown, D’Brickashaw Ferguson,
Larry Allen played as a rookie. Erik Williams was ready in year two and he was from a lower division school.
by Rafael Vela on Dec 15, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
I agree good O lineman and RBs
can make the jump to the pros faster than most other positions.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
meh...
RBs can make the jump immediately – its a position with a shelf life of about 6 years and dropping. Backs out of college often seen more explosive, they just need to learn pass protection, etc.
Olineman often take a little while.
Teams can let a OT play OG for a year
and get their feet wet before jumping to OT. Teams can cover up and help a rookie OG and it’s not as hard to play as OT.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
Unless you are Big Davis.
He got his a** moved off the goal line 3 times last Sunday, and it wasn’t in a good way.
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
disagree on OL.....can't just plug a lineman in like that....
unless were talking a top ten pick, it takes time to develop offensive lineman….look for the trend to continue with Jerry going into FA to find quality lineman…us drafting lineman doesn’t work and Jerry is NOT using a first round pick on a boring player like a lineman……Jerry is going to draft a impact player in the first round…count on it…I’m thinking WR or on defense…
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Jerry is taking whoever is our highest rated non qb player remaining on our board
If that an OL, thats what it will be, if its a WR, thats what it will be. Personally, I’m hoping for an OL myself.
In Romo we Trust
what makes you think he wont take a QB??,,,,,, :)
Hate to break it to you and you should know by now, its not going to be a OL…Jerry wants his high draft picks to be starters, not backups for 1 or 2 years…. our OL is locked in for at least the 2010 season based on there contracts. Better chance of seeing a OL picked in the second round….add NT to the list also
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
it could very well be an OL
if that player is their highest rated player on their board. Jerry listens to his scouts and if they are saying an OL is the best player available. thats who it will be…guaranteed.
In Romo we Trust
Jerry is moving up in this years draft and it wont be for a lineman...
I think he has seen what the other teams in the division are doing with there young WRs….it’s time to go out and draft a impact player on offense…change the tune from defense to offense next year. We have no explosive threat…Austin is good, but he makes most of his plays with YAC. We need another to stretch the field and scare the crap out of defenses. I hate to beat it to death…..Desean Jackson type player..thats whats missing.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
I think you missed, the WRs are younger and more set than our
Old ass Oline. Though Jerry has
more of a history drafting WRs than OL, he isn’t stupid and he can see the leaks springing in the wall.
KICK ASS every day!!!
by squidlo97 on Dec 15, 2009 9:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
definitely...
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Dec 16, 2009 2:39 AM CST up reply actions
I think you are
probably right. If a kid like Marshawn Dylan from U of Cincy is there, we could be lethal. Third down receiver, kick returner, punt returner and may be there when we draft.
we're too old to use that logic
we need depth or young players NOW. Even if they don’t start. Cause two years from now, we’re gonna have nothing on the ol.
And the only option is the draft because you don’t often find quality young ol in FA.
Problem is
you have to start some time. Remember Aikman getting ping-ponged in his final seasons? They can’t let that happen again.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
If you have a good OL coach, it's not a problem
The Colts had Tarik Glenn at LT the entirety of Manning’s career. He retired on them suddenly, after about 10 years.
They moved up in the early 2nd to get him and told Howard Mudd to have him ready for the season. He started almost all the Colts games his first two years. They didn’t collapse.
When he dropped down, they replaced him with another kid.
You have to put young players in the pipeline. Now that Doug Free is a starter, name ONE young backup who has a future with this team.
They have Robert Brewster. That’s it.
by Rafael Vela on Dec 15, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
whoops. I left out a piece
They moved up in the early 2nd to draft Tony Ugoh from Arkansas.
by Rafael Vela on Dec 15, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
I wish they would take the same approach with O Linemen
that they do with the DE/LB Hybrids. One of these drafts you just kind of have to stock up. Last year, I know they really wanted to go O Line early, but everyone they targeted got snatched up.
They have to do something.
Coach Winters: Mississippi State's offensive set. 2nd & 2 on our own 24, what defensive set might we call?
Alvin Mack: Eagle Zipper Hero, unless the setback shifts into the I.
Coach Winters: Good..[clicks to next slide], third and seven?
Alvin Mack: Oakie Thunder Lion. {What's your assignment?}
Alvin Mack: Kill the quarterback. {{Coach Winters clicks to next slide}}
Alvin Mack: Hit the tight end so hard his girlfriend dies. {{Coach Winters clicks to next slide}}
Alvin Mack: Kill everybody.
by KD Drummond on Dec 15, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
I say we go for broke
And draft 7 Olinemen in next years draft. One of them has to stick.
How Bout Them Cowboys!
LOL
The last two years in a row I, well, some of us fans have been screaming for new blood on the offensive line. Is 2010 the year? Lets hope so!
by torchindefenses on Dec 15, 2009 11:45 AM CST reply actions
we have been drafting lineman...hello..Doug Free? the kid that is on IR right now also....
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Yeah, but we need to draft starting quality O-line.
Free is there by default. He is doing a nice job, but do you think he can hold that position if Columbo were healthy?
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
If your talking first round quality lineman thats not going to happen...
If you want the cream of the crop we need to be drafting in the top 15 and we never do…Jerry is not moving up in the first round for a OL…I dont blame him, because we are horrible at drafting lineman early in the draft….late 2nd or 3rd round maybe, not first round. Were missing a playmaker as the 3rd WR…Crayton is a no-show ever week for the most part. Were basically relying on RW, Austin and Witten in the passing game right now.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Not trying to defend Crayton and not saying we couldn't use another speed WR but
I think that some of Crayton’s woes are directly related to the OL not giving TR enough time to go thru all his reads and find Crayton. Right now it appears that TR’s reads are Austin, Williams and Witten and if by some miracle TR has enough time, he then can look for Crayton. Drew Brees can go thru all his reads because that OL that’s in front of him gives him that time to find anyone open. Too many leaks on the OL play after play.
OL is not as bad as you think....
How many times this year has Romo suffered a coverage sack because a WR couldnt get open?…This OL is pretty good, not as good now with Colombo being out, but Romo has had time to find receivers.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Side note....
Just heard the Vikings may have upwards of 17 players in the Pro Bowl…..lol…Witten maybe the only starter in the Pro Bowl for us….thats horrible!!
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
I don't know maybe a hundred or so?
I know he gets pressured almost immediately. I can’t really understand anyone saying that he has time. Only if they are rushing two maybe.
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
everyone is just going to have to accept this OL is not going to change a whole lot, if at all
not until at least after the 2010….Our best chance of seeing anyone different on the OL next year is if we sign a FA to start….a rookie is not coming in replacing anyone…Maybe Jerry unloads Flozell’s contract in a uncapped year next year, but he isn’t doing it unless he finds a better one in FA…
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
When you're right you're right.
We are in the same book just on different pages.
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
Sometimes they are good and sometimes not
That’s the worst of it. They are so inconsistent, neither Garrett not Romo ever know what to expect when they read the D and call a play. It’s always “IF Flo blocks the guy in front of him. IF Gurode gets to the second level. IF no one forgets the snap count and false starts”
If you know you have a weak guy, you can make up for him, but when they all take turns having brain cramps, you just cross your fingers.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
I sometimes wonder if it's Houck's scheme?
Maybe, these players are made more for Sparano’s scheme instead.
That was certainly part of Raf's point
using the line in ways they are not suited for.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
so why can't we go back to some of Sparano's schemes?
they worked didn’t they?
These Olinemen were may have also been hitting their peaks then.
I saw a dog today. Have you seen a dog? You probably have. How was school? Was it fun? Did you get a lot of homework? Huh? Do you have any friends? Do you have a best friend? Does he have a big coat, too?
by Aaron Novinger on Dec 17, 2009 9:18 AM CST up reply actions
It was a priority for them last year
they were scouting OL hard but the board didn’t break their way when the picks came up. Losing out on Unger stung a bit, cause they really liked him.
Don't know off the top of my head so I'll ask you Raf
Where are our top 3 picks in the next draft, and do you think they go with OL with at least one of those?
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
Won't know until the end of the season:
Somewhere between 16-25 most likely. While you’d imagine they would almost be forced into taking an OL next year, the Cowboys operate on a Best Player Available method that I agree with.
One wonders if they’ll bring in some depth from other team’s practice squads.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 15, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
Did you see that Seattle has their center snapping with this LEFT hand rather than give Unger a shot there?
Their current center broke his right hand so he’s snapping with his off hand. And doing a terrible job of it. The coaching and management over there are nuts, they’re so over-committed to “veterans” it’s ridiculous. You’ve got a smart rookie center on your team! Just use him!
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
RG
http://www.fieldgulls.com/2009/12/7/1190370/max-unger-in-the-trenches-josh
sounds like he has had some struggles but has shown improvement. Of course, Seattle is a disaster.
by I_miss_Switzer on Dec 15, 2009 10:14 PM CST up reply actions
Losing Out On Unger
Is just so typical of the Cowboy draft board over the last 15 years. Year in and year out we make mistakes in our draft. We over paid to move back up to get Spencer; we over paid to sign Roy who was there for the taking if just waited. Those extra pics could have paved the way to move up to take Unger . . . or we could have taken rookie of the year WR / return guy for the Vikings . . . or we could have had Loadholt who would have made a nice pairing on the right side next to Bigg
I would kill...
for a Ryan Clady out of next year’s draft…
I have noticed a new resurgence in Cowboy hating in 2007, which can only mean one thing- We're back.
clady, Otah, those picks are gone
Early in the draft. I was blabbing about the depth and breadth in linemen in the 2008 draft, but I went back and saw that all the highly touted
ones were gone by the time Dallas had a chance to grab F.Jones.
Dallas needs a high pick to fill this slot – just like they did with Demarcus.
by alanTdot. on Dec 15, 2009 12:04 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hey Raf,
I just wanted to say I really enjoy your write-ups. So much of Cowboys coverage is blatant sensationalism aimed at trying to make someone in the organization look bad. It’s become so bad that I’ve seen people comparing the Cowboys organization to the Raiders, despite the fact the Cowboys are 1 win a way from their 5th winning season in a row.
I had the same thought about Garret possibly being Payton part 2, right down to a (slight) over-reliance on the pass and being a good rushing team through more of a clever/finesse approach than a physical approach. Ever since then I’ve been hoping he becomes the head coach, in part because I like a lot of what Payton does. My only concern is the lack of an obvious choice for a 3-4 DC, but there are enough teams out there who run a 3-4 that I’m sure one could be found.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
+1
I just wanted to say I really enjoy your write-ups
by CowboysFan4Life on Dec 15, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
Saints Passing Attack
Does anyone know if Hamlin will be back in the lineup Saturday?
How does our Secondary match up to their Wide-Outs?
not good...
that’s the short answer,especially if they can’t pressure brees
i don't know?
jerry’s gonna need to sell tickets next year, linemen don’t sell tickets.
you have to know who will be the coach next year, if like me you think wade and Jarret are out , than all bets are off, the boys will be in full rebuild mode.
either way free agency may be the best route to fixing the O-line,
Wins sell tickets.
And taking an OT in the first round has one of the highest correlations of increasing the win total of a team the next year.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 15, 2009 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
i agree, but i'm not calling the shots
i still think free agents like the saints jarie evans, are the best route.
There are 500 coaches who could have won a playoff game with this team
Wade is not going to be the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys next year, in essence he’s a lame duck, so make a statement and fire him now. Wade’s dumb-founded look alone can take the wind out of a team’s sails.
Jason Garrett will make for a better head coach than an offensive coordinator. His personality is the opposite of the beleaguered Wade Phillips. The genius has some juice and deserves a shot. Hell, Jerry should have turned over the reins to the Princeton grad after Wade became the first coach ever to lose in the divisional round as a #1 seed.
Garrett has the perfect team ready to go with Dom Capers and Cam Cameron. Instead, Wade stuck around and kept Jason Stewart, who was clearly the most unqualified coordinator in the National Football league.
There are 500 coaches who could have won a playoff game with this team. Wade bleeping Phillips. Ruined a 13-3 season. Closed out Texas Stadium with a thud. Never won in December. Ruined the opening of Cowboys stadium. Didn’t win a playoff game. Blew sunshine up everybody’s a$$ for four years and presided over the most disappointing three years in the history of Cowboys football.
I don't agree about hte 500 coaches comment
but of all the options out there, I think Garrett is the best. I think he has the right attitude, and I think with more experience we’ll see less of these monumental screwup playcalls…which really don’t happen that often anyway.
How can you criticize Romo AND Wade, but love Garrett, and still declare that most coaches could win a playoff game with this team?
I don't know about 500,
probably closer to 450.
AND OMFG I AM AGREEING WITH MONTECITO!!!!!!!!
THE END IS NEAR, PREPARE FOR THE APOCALYPSE.
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
500 coaches
and a half dozen sports writers in Dallas. That is how they tell it anyhow.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
As always, I really dislike Tex and 90% of what he says
But Garrett, Cameron, and Capers is a pretty impressive coaching staff. Not sure if that was a real possibility, but it’d look pretty good.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Why would Capers leave GB to be DC in Dallas? Agree with Tex? Most disappointing 3 years ever? Sounds like some short term amnesia going on…. Ruined the opening game at the stadium? Whoopideedeedo! One game doesn’t make a season.
Why should we think Garrett would be any more disappointing as a HC than he’s been as OC? Because Troy says he’s so great?
by Leithal Weapon on Dec 15, 2009 5:16 PM CST up reply actions
Garrett's Team...
Cameron and Capers were the coordinators lined up by Garrett when exploring the head coaching vacancies two years ago. They are gone now, should have read “had”, but Garrett has the intellect and connections to line up a quality staff – he certainly can improve upon Wade’s hand picked disaster named Stewart.
Of course, Capers has a chance to come to Dallas as a consultant a year later, but Wade and the beleaguered BStew got their panties in the bunch. Dom is now working miracles with the Packers #1 rated defense.
Fire the head coach and the defensive coordinator now… the status quo isn’t working and it doesn’t take a genius from Princeton to figure out how the end of this season goes with Wade at the helm.
by Montecito Tex on Dec 15, 2009 5:30 PM CST up reply actions
Cameron does wonders with QBs.
I saw a dog today. Have you seen a dog? You probably have. How was school? Was it fun? Did you get a lot of homework? Huh? Do you have any friends? Do you have a best friend? Does he have a big coat, too?
by Aaron Novinger on Dec 16, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
No Tex, you don't tear up the coaching staff when the team is still in the hunt.
Granted, it’s not a sexy position we’re in, but you don’t blow things up now and it doesn’t take a genius from Princeton to figure that out either. Change might be coming, but not until game 16 is played. I know you want Wade gone now, but the smart move is to let this year play itself out, good or bad.
There's the cruxt of the problem.
What if the Boys find their mojo and take it all the way? What if they just win the next three and a play off game? When is the best time to get rid of a so – so coach to trade up to a shiny new one?
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
Given where we are right now and the teams we have to play,
that would be a difficult decision to make IF the team finished strong and went deep in the playoffs or won the SB. Because one could say that the team played hard for Wade and won it all or just couldn’t acheive the ultimate goal but made strides compared to previous years. Progress in the playoffs and a consistent coaching staff as it pertains to systems installed would make that a hard call.
The dynamics of installing new systems would probably take awhile to learn thus resulting in some bumps and bruises with no gaurantee of more wins immediately. I know there are exceptions for new coaches having immediate success, but I think that’s more of a reflection of talent already on the roster and being a little lucky. There’s something to be said of teams playing in the same systems every year. They can play quicker rather than thinking too much. Honestly, I think that’s the only thing that saves Wade’s job and that’s IF we go deep in the playoffs. Without playoffs, Jerry can’t sell the fact we are making progress, but with a playoff run, I think he would make the pitch and keep Wade because I think Jerry really likes Wade.
I think Jerry likes Wade,
and would love to keep him in place. There is no power struggle like there was Big Bill and Jimmy. Jerry wants a puppet at HC and Wade is a good fit. But If the Boys don’t advance in the playoffs then I think Jerry will have to make a move, more than likely it will be JG IMO.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
If he takes the HC job
he will have to somewhat be a puppet. Puppet is not a good term for me to use, but I don’t what else to call it. Jerry is going to get his way most of the time and if you want to coach the Boys then that’s part it.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
Argh.
You’re not paying attention.
This is the coaching staff that WOULD have been. If Garrett had gotten the HC job, Capers was tapped as the DC. He didn’t end up taking it under Wade and went to GB instead.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Damn, I agree with Tex here.
I think Garrett’s ice-cold personality may just make him a better HC than OC.
I saw a dog today. Have you seen a dog? You probably have. How was school? Was it fun? Did you get a lot of homework? Huh? Do you have any friends? Do you have a best friend? Does he have a big coat, too?
by Aaron Novinger on Dec 16, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
Wade is the HC and DC.
It would be stupid to fire any coach this late in the season.To fire the HC and DC is not an option.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
If Roy continues to produce like he has recently
I’m fine with that trade. I think he and miles are perfect complements, add in witten and we have the skill players set for the next 4-5 years, although Miles and Roy’s injury histories worry me.
I still think we need one really shifty, super acceleration guy to complete the set
but you have got to love the skill position depth we have.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Dec 15, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
Max Unger, Brandon Williams, and Robert Brewster plus the demise of Bigg
The Cowboys did lose out on Unger but how has he looked this year for Seattle? I’d be curious to see how he has graded out. The thing that is positive is that the Cowboys get two players off the injured list next year in Brandon Williams and Robert Brewster. Maybe Brewster with OTAs and a full training camp can push Kosier out of that LG position. The way the Cowboys only ran the ball to the right on goal-line stands on Sunday, tells me they have no real confidence in running the ball to the left side. That cannot happen. We need a road grader at LG. All these counter treys and lead draws are run w/ an element of surprise to cover up the fact that are linemen cannot really dominate at the point of attack. I would like to see if Brewster could displace Bigg but he makes WAY too much money. He’s not going anywhere for at least a year. Bigg seems to be terrible in space this year. He shouldnt’ be getting beat as much as he’s getting paid. It’s a weekly ocurrence. Look for a Tackles, Jerry!
by DatNguyenNguyenScenario on Dec 15, 2009 12:16 PM CST reply actions
Don't forget
about Stephen Hodge. He is a rookie on IR also.
Free Agent Offensive Lineman
Who is available on the market at guard? No good LT makes it to free agency, unless you’re dealing with the Bills.
by DatNguyenNguyenScenario on Dec 15, 2009 12:18 PM CST reply actions
the saints....
have a gaurd (evans) and a tackle (brown),both would be a huge up grade.watch evans in he up coming game, he’s a monster
Evans will be resigned before the end of the season
Brown has been hurt alot the last 2 years including a season ending injury at the begining of this year I think he will be let go
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 16, 2009 8:50 AM CST up reply actions
The Bucs Have a LT!!!!
Penn I think he is . . . we should pull a Hutchison and insert poison pill
You guys are cool with TNew?
Newman has been the single worst starter on either side of the ball this year. Bar none. Friends, we need a CB. stat.
by bewareofdware on Dec 15, 2009 12:20 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I think Newmans time as a starter is coming to an end....
I expect him to be the #3 guy come next year….he is awful, rarely makes a play, gets caught out of position way too much for my taste…
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
not at all
I really don’t see how newman gets so much blame. The guy gets beat acouple times a game by elite wrs….guess what…so does every other non-shutdown corner. Heck, pretty much everyone in he entire league outside Revis and Asomugha has gotten seriously burned at multiple points this year.
Newman has been a decent #1 for us. I know he doesn’t ALWAYS play the other teams best wr, but more often than not,he does. That means hes doing pretty well.
I agree
Maybe some people don’t understand the CB position, but they don’t stop good WR from getting their catches. They try to limit them to a minimum. Sometimes you eat the bear and sometimes the bear eats you. Newman isn’t the best CB in the NFL ,but he ain’t that bad.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
Newman is definitely better than what most fans on this blog
give him credit for, thats for sure.
In Romo we Trust
Amen brother
You can't stop Patrick Crayton, you can only hope to contain him.
by APerfectStar on Dec 16, 2009 5:50 AM CST up reply actions
Newman is good
but he could be better. What bugs me are his lapses in technique – he gets caught looking in, he bites on fakes too easily, and he forgets where his help is at times. These are all mental errors. Physically he is still a very talented player.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
umm....did u see the game on Sunday?....
he was to blame for that long pass to Jackson or Floyd near the sideline which led to the Gates TD and doomed us….Dont sugar coat the player please….he is caught out of position entirely too much..like many on this team the expectations were too high for Newman. Face the facts, he is a average to a slightly above average CB in this league. What makes it worse is the contract he is getting. Newman needs to be moved to the slot next year. Jenkins and Scandrick need to be starting period..
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Newman makes about 2 or 3 plays a year and gets roasted the other 75 percent of the other times..not good enough
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Yeah,
but Scandrick hasn’t been exactly lighting it up either. I would put Newman in the slot on third downs now. Scandrick is not the best tackler in the world either. On second thought, none of them are outstanding.
LOL
That entire statement is LUDICROUS.
If T-New is only good for 2-3 plays a year then he’s playing OUT OF HIS MIND to this point :)
He’s never been a big INT guy. I remember how suspect this Defense was in 07 and 08 when he was out due to injury.
thats not true at all
Newman is no Darell Revis, and hes not the playmaker Asante Samuel is, but hes a solid dependable cb when healthy.
once
The majority of the game austin was matched up with the raiders #2cb, and he demolished him.
Chris Johnson
He’s terrible, one of the most victimized in the league.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Bowen
Are we not comfortable coming with Stephen Bowen supplanting Spears (as he departs for free agency) and have 3 DL of Bowen, Rat, and Igor with a rotation of Hatcher, Siavii (who was a 2nd round pick, btw) and a FA and draft pick?
by DatNguyenNguyenScenario on Dec 15, 2009 12:33 PM CST reply actions
Love Bowen
But we need an upgrade at dline; we are soft in the middle. Rat is a gamer but he is over matched with double teams; look at what the Chargers did with that last drive where they ate up 7 to 8 minutes of clock and sealed the win. We need a space eating nose tackle. We need Rat attacking the QB from the edge . . . not the middle.
'10 is supposed to be the deepest DL draft in a long time
That’s why I have DE so high.
A DE who can rush the passer would help this team. Nothing against Marcus Spears, who is a solid 3-4 DE, but the line could use more push. Canty never panned out as a 34 rusher. Hatcher has been a disappointment and Bowen can rush, but only from the nickel, when Dallas plays a four man line.
I just hope we don't use a 1st rounder on another
DL. I feel we have other areas that need moe attention.,
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If that's where the value lies, I have no problems with it.
Besides, Spears is the only DL they’ve drafted high recently.
by Rafael Vela on Dec 15, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
It all depends on Value
I HIGHLY doubt we’ll find a top LT around pick 20. They tend to be pushed high or fall into the second where the value is better.
I have no idea about his draft, but there are generally interior lineman available around pick 20.
Safety I don’t know about.
the saints picked up carl nicks in the 5th round.
he beat out a good starter about 6 games into his rookie year, there are gems in the latter rounds.
Carlos dunlap
Would be a steal Just because of his upside.
by DoomsdayD75 on Dec 15, 2009 1:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Doesn't he take plays off, though?
I want a first rounder with the right attitude to succeed, not complacency. I wouldn’t want to gamble that he suddenly gets a consistently high motor.
Hatcher seems to have been the same guy for 3 years
in fact, he was more noticeable two years ago. I thought for sure he would turn into a starter, but he plateaued big time.
by I_miss_Switzer on Dec 15, 2009 11:13 PM CST up reply actions
I Think He's Regressed
The last two years,. Bowen is way past him now. He’s been a disappointment, as has been the entire 2006 draft class.
There’s a reasonable chance none of the 2006 draftees will be on the roster next season.
The 2006 draft class looked bad two years ago, last year
but Hatcher was one we held out hope for. Now he has tanked, seemingly.
He and Canty both seem to have great size, they “look good in the shower”, but don’t produce enough.
Bowen is one of our only role players who I watch and say “that guy needs to play more”.
by I_miss_Switzer on Dec 16, 2009 8:59 AM CST up reply actions
+1
Money quote: “but the line could use more push.” We hardly made Rivers sweat . .
we do not spread the field...and that makes our offense too predictable
Players have to execute the plays, but it seems like our OC doesn’t communicate to our quarterback to throw the ball deep. We don’t even look downfield past 20 yards. When was the last time Romo threw the ball 40+ yards down the field? When was the last time we had a pass interference call on a long throw?
by Leithal Weapon on Dec 15, 2009 12:39 PM CST reply actions
This offense has a receiver among the league leaders in pass plays of 40 yards or more
Austin’s YPC is almost 18. Roy’s is over 15. Romo’s YPA is one of the league’s highest.
That’s a new one.
by Rafael Vela on Dec 15, 2009 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
but alot of that is YAC.
miles is great at catching the 5 yarder and making people miss.
And that difference matters why?
Even if a team throws the ball 60 yards in the air, it’s not going to suck the safety into the end zone seats…
Austin’s speed and Witten’s ability to go deep seam are plenty to stretch the field. My guess is that they are taking what defenses give them. If I were defending them, I’d make them inch down the field until flo jumps early or Kosier does a hands to the face or Davis holds…
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
LOL…..very true on our penalties and waiting for us to shoot ourselves in the foot….I agree. But there are openings out there.
by Leithal Weapon on Dec 15, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
Ah, patience, Grasshoper, is the way to stop the Cowboys offense.
The old Landry “rubber band”—bend but don’t break—you have hit the nail on the head, dunkman.
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
Haven't seen the deep throws to Witten this year.
I hope it’s the ankle and they goes back to that more next year, because they miss that threat.
by Realist Larry on Dec 15, 2009 6:13 PM CST up reply actions
agreed....Austin does his damage with YAC....we dont have a deep threat at this point
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
It is a new one-if anything Garrett calls too many long balls!
But it does seem in the last few weeks that that’s changed, and he’s overcorrected to a very short game.
Could be having Free in there.
Could be he’s called them but Romo’s checked down-a lot less interceptions now!
by Realist Larry on Dec 15, 2009 6:12 PM CST up reply actions
I think he has overcorrected
Before, its absolutely been true that Garret has called too many deep routes. But recently, I can’t remember the last downfield shot we’ve taken.
Agree
And no soft touch passes by Romo like Rivers was connecting on (except that seam dying quail Romo hit Austin with that was a thing of beauty) Romo has the touch of Montana but few routes where he can use that touch are called by Redball
Rafeal….how many of those 40+ plays were 15-20 yard passes that turned into 40+? We have lots of YAC.
Thanks r c a….my point exactly…..we don’t throw it down the field.
by Leithal Weapon on Dec 15, 2009 12:47 PM CST reply actions
So?
If they gain 40 yards, what’s the difference? Do the TDs only count five points because the pass was short and the RAC was long?
by Rafael Vela on Dec 15, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
it make's the field smaller, limits your play calling....
other than that it’s fine
It’s not about gaining 40 yards as much as having a deep threat. It’s about spreading a defense out. We don’t do that.
Can you remember the last time Romo threw a ball 40, 50….whatever number you want to put in there…but threw the ball downfield?
I can’t….
by Leithal Weapon on Dec 15, 2009 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
It's about scoring points
Dallas doesn’t score as many as it wants to because it can’t hammer the ball in the end zone when it gets to the red zone.
Having a kicker who misses one short attempt a game also hurts.
by Rafael Vela on Dec 15, 2009 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
the best way to help that is to score from 50 to 60 yards out....
maybe with a long pass?
as far as the kicker goes, he ain’t getting any better.time to make a move.
Both valid points Raf….but my question is how can the offense be more unpredictable and not so transparent?
by Leithal Weapon on Dec 15, 2009 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
bingo!
adding a speed threat to go along with RW and Austin would make this offense so much better and open things up alot more for the rest of the WRs…..Crayton is killing us as the #3…..that’s what is missing..I’m telling you..
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
that's how the saints use devery henderson .
he opens up the field for colston, bush,and shockey .
Yup,
look at what Percy Harvin has done for Minny. You get my vote.
Thats what we are missing....been saying it for a long time now...
We get that playmaker as the #3 and our offense is alot better….
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
"Could" is the question. We just havent seen enough not go into April and not draft a WR
either way we still have to draft a WR….Hurd and probably Crayton are done after the season..that leaves us with 2 WR spots to fill to get us to 5 next year.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
I disagree
Crayton will play out his contract and any WR we take in the mid rounds probably won’t be better than Hurd.
IF we draft a WR, it won’t be early, this teams has more important needs, like OL, DL and safety.
In Romo we Trust
Protection isn’t great. But we also line up in shotgun which takes away play action to draw the safeties up.
by Leithal Weapon on Dec 15, 2009 12:48 PM CST reply actions
I don't buy this argument
As much as Dallas runs out of the shotgun, how are they unable to fake off it? If anything it is pass fake neutral and a benefit when they run the draw or delay out of it.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
This is only my take
But i read an interesting article about the shot gun.The reason Peyton Manning likes to be under center is because at the last second before the snap if your in the shotgun you have to keep your eye on the ball not the defense.
That makes it harder to read the defense at the start of the play and limits adjustments
If your under center the ball is snapped into your hand and you can keep your eye’s on the field of play
I think after reading this article I believe this is a major flaw with the shotgun formation not the lack of play action
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 16, 2009 9:02 AM CST up reply actions
Have to give him credit this season
He’s been good on his SG snaps. At least I can’t remember any wild pitches.
Still think he’s one of the top centers in the league.
You can't stop Patrick Crayton, you can only hope to contain him.
by APerfectStar on Dec 17, 2009 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
Especially if Your Center is Named Gurode
If your in the shotgun you have to keep your eye on the ball not the defense.
Romo restricted and poor o-line play
Two reasons why the Cowboys don’t go deep:
1) Offensive line play is poor, especially at the guard positions. Because of the pressure he is now getting up the middle Romo can’t step up in the pocket and let it go downfield.
2) I believe Garrett doesn’t really trust Romo to go more than 35 yards down field due to the potential for turnovers. They don’t even throw hail marys. I think it’s due to the heat that Romo has received over his turnovers. I’m concerned the Cowboys have become too scared to make turnovers and it’s potentially limiting the explosiveness of the offense.
by DatNguyenNguyenScenario on Dec 15, 2009 12:54 PM CST reply actions
Romo should
catch heat over his turnovers. Garrett should trust him when Romo shows he can be trusted.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
it's hard to win playing it safe in the nfl...
you gotta take your shots
Can’t played scared….doesn’t mean you have to wing it down the field everytime down, but here again….when is the last time they even took a shot down the field? When did we have a long pass interference call?
by Leithal Weapon on Dec 15, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
Raf….you’re the stat man…..do you have the last pass interference call against our opponents that was over 30 yards? Just wondering because I know our defense just gave up one last weekend against the Chargers. And watching other teams…..they seem to throw it downfield. The Cardinals, Philly, SD, NO, NE…..all do it. Seems like just about every team does attempt a couple long passes a game. Not just hailmary’s either.
by Leithal Weapon on Dec 15, 2009 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
my personal opinion is that they've taken that play off the agenda
whether or not it is because of lack of trust in receivers being able to locate the ball, Tony Romo’s accuracy or what.. but after that Kenny Phillips INT in week 2 it is a distant memory for this team.
Coach Winters: Mississippi State's offensive set. 2nd & 2 on our own 24, what defensive set might we call?
Alvin Mack: Eagle Zipper Hero, unless the setback shifts into the I.
Coach Winters: Good..[clicks to next slide], third and seven?
Alvin Mack: Oakie Thunder Lion. {What's your assignment?}
Alvin Mack: Kill the quarterback. {{Coach Winters clicks to next slide}}
Alvin Mack: Hit the tight end so hard his girlfriend dies. {{Coach Winters clicks to next slide}}
Alvin Mack: Kill everybody.
It was Austin's first big game.
The defender was having fits against Austin and was grabbing him downfield if memory serves me correctly.
Shotgun formation isn't good for Romo passing
Romo’s QB rating out of the shotgun formation is not good. Bob Sturm of the Ticket in Dallas ran some statistics on it. I was surprised. Romo is much more effective throwing the ball from under center.
by DatNguyenNguyenScenario on Dec 15, 2009 12:55 PM CST reply actions
So was Troy.
The number of snaps out of shotgun formation when Troy was QB would be really low.
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
Dat….I agree with your theory…..too scared to make turnovers…..and it does limit the offense.
by Leithal Weapon on Dec 15, 2009 12:58 PM CST reply actions
By the way folks
Don’t the playoffs start for Dallas this Saturday night. Dallas might have to be 11-5 to get in with tie breakers situation. This is a big game.The Boys and Romo need to win the big one and shut these critics up.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
as a saints fan...
it will be a playoff game, we want home field advantage,so it’s gonna be loud. i think it’s gonna be close. the team with the most turnovers lose.
glad to here the good news about ware, i still think he should take a week off to be safe.LOL
as a saints fan…..how does the saints offense and cowboys offense differ? why do they have more success in your opinion?
by Leithal Weapon on Dec 15, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
the deep ball....
just as you were saying, on any play, out of any formation, we throw deep, we run play action passes all the time. it really sets up our run game.
i think we have the line to do it , that’s our big advantage, pass protection.
the biggest difference between the Saints and Cowboys
is turnovers. The Saints defense really isn’t that great, but they force a lot of turnovers, which gives Drew Brees more opportunities with short fields. Considering he’s an amazing QB leading an offense loaded with talent, that is a recipe for success. That’s why they can recover from 20 pt deficits like they do.
the line keeps brees upright.
romo gets hit alot, and has a less talented group of receivers. if romo was in NO he would be putting up better numbers, and winning games.
Our options
We have so many recievers and Brees hits them all he doesnt have a favorite
None of our recievers will reach 100 catches
Sean Payton is a play calling machine he makes great adjustments at the half and seems to be able to read what a defense is trying to do against us
We gave up alot of points to the Redskins but their defense is exceptional as you should know (you scored 7 points on them) but we scored 33 points on them
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 16, 2009 9:07 AM CST up reply actions
so in other words
since the Skins have a horrible offense, your defense is as bad as your offense is good.
In Romo we Trust
Well I would say our defense isnt great
But it is able to contain every offense we have faced so far this year more then their defense can contain ours
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 16, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
when you have the best offense in the league
that can hide a bad defense. Your defense relies on turnovers and when you don’t get them, you give up a lot of points.
In Romo we Trust
I understand that
Thats why i said our defense can contain opponents offenses better then their defense can contain our offense
Thats also why i think the only way we can get beat is in a shoot out because i believe our offense can throw up points from anywhere anytime
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 16, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
that doesn't make sense to me
I think your team unbeatable in a shootout for the reason you give. I think you guys can be beat by controlling the clock, keeping your offense off the field and scoring TDs, not FGs.
The lower the score, the better chance you have to lose IMO.
In Romo we Trust
peter king
for once i agree with king. he says all this talk about dallas choking again in december is bull. he says maybe dallas isn’t as good as was thought. and that is what’s happening, imo. we’re not as good as we thought. it happens.
You are only as good as your record.
Dallas is 8-4 that makes them a little above average team, but not a good team. Pull off three win in a row down the stretch and this is a good team.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
Another Parcellism (stated right after he left us)
Cowboy fans have an overvalued opinion of their team.
by Road Warrior on Dec 15, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
Well if nothing else, Bill left us points to ponder.
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
But the Steelers had a poor OL last year is NOT an answer
That situation was an outlier. The Steelers got the best matchup they could have hoped for in the Super Bowl last year. If they had to face either the Eagles or the Giants with their physical D lines and their pressure, no way that they would have won the Super Bowl. They STILL almost lost to the Cardinals. The Cowboys biggest problem is that O-line and the lack of playmakers up the middle (ILB and FS). A lot of plays get funneled up the middle and those guys don’t cause much in the way of forced fumbles, batted balls, etc. Hopefullly Jason Williams with his athletic ability can be a playmaker at the inside LB position. He did in college and usually that kind of knack for disruption carries over to the pros IF the player has the necessary athletic ability and understanding of the game. (The athletic ability he has, we’ll find out next year about how he reads the game.)
by DatNguyenNguyenScenario on Dec 15, 2009 1:13 PM CST reply actions
Raf...
Can you see Ratliff moving to DE next year if they don’t re-sign Spears and then drafting or signing a NT in FA?
Rewind to the Summer
I read this blog for 2 reason, (1) I’m a lifetime Cowboy fan and (2) Raf. His articles and responses are concise and informative. Kudos!
My main concerns during training camp going into the 2009 season were:
1. Discipline – Too many penalties, head cases and poor choices. They cleaned-up the locker room, but the senseless penalties killed our offensive drives and extended their defensive stops. This problem is coaching with little accountability on the players.
2. OL – Good group, but long in the tooth with no depth.
3. Secondary – Lots of changes and poor play in 2008.
Now we are in December and discipline is still a major problem. Too many penalties (just look at their league ranking) and not knowing how to close out an opponent. It all goes back to coaching. As Raf states, the OL is a major concern, so I will not restate his good points. It is good to see the secondary has improved over 2008. I agree that Newman is past his prime, but this group is much better. I am very concerned our season is going down the tubes, again. I hope the players have an epiphany and win against the Saints and Redskins! If so, the Eagles game will be another winner take all.
Peace, Cowboys Bloggers
Has anyone else noticed
The “qualified” options at the HC position in the offseason all run the west coast offense. Gruden, Shannahan and Holmgren. Can we pull the West Coast off with the personnel on this team?
How good is Incognito?
cause he’s out there (in more ways than one)
Heard on the radio this morning
From a guy I trust (his dad is an OL coach in the league) that he had heard (don’t ask me from who) that Dallas would consider Dom Capers as HC and Chris Palmer as OC for next year. I know both Caper’s & Palmer worked together in Houston and Palmer also worked with Romo under Big Bill. He said he thought Shanahan would end up in Buffalo. He mentioned Dungy but said Dallas wanted to stay with the 3-4.
makes sense since Capers is a 3-4 guy
however I think Palmer would be a horrible OC.
In Romo we Trust
That would make me throw up...
If Jerry goes the retread route again, I will be extremely disappointed.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Dec 15, 2009 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
I've heard your guy
I don’t put too much stock in what he says.
Palmer hasn’t been a good OC since his Jacksonville days and that was over a decade ago. He was awful at Cleveland, which dumped him well before his contract.
Besides, this is the same HC/OC team which failed miserably in Houston. Your guy really thinks that Jerry is going to hire two TEXANS castoffs? LOL!!!!
Of course, your guy is on Houston radio, so he’s probably playing to his audience.
Seems like Payton and Haley became offensive geniuses
when one got Drew Brees and the other had Larry Fitzgerald/Kurt Warner. It remains to be seen what Haley can do with limited weapons in KC.
Garrett has had Romo/Owens/Austin/Witten for three years now. Solid weapons and decent rankings, but not an offense that hums on all cylinders by any means. Just sayin’….
I want to see him get a competent oline that doesn't shoot itself in the foot
This group peaked in 07, and we had a pretty darn good offense that year.
You know whats funny
Sean payton pulled out all the stops to bring Romo with him to the Saints
I personally think Romo is a good QB but i’m not upset we didnt get him because i wouldn’t trade Brees for any QB in the league including a guy i think is the best QB to ever play the game Peyton Manning
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 16, 2009 9:12 AM CST up reply actions
Brees is great
and I thought that when the Chargers let him go. But several QBs in the game could be playing at a high level with the excellent play calling and O-line you guys have in NO.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
Great post DavidH22…..3 years with solid weapons and Garrett isn’t producing points….lots of yards…..he’s in control of the offense….not Phillips. So it’s Wade’s fault for all the offensive brainfarts (false starts, holding, tripping, etc)? I understand it’s Wade’s team (ahem….Jerry’s)…..but why would we want Garrett to take the helm when he cannot “fix” the problems on his offense?
The way I see this is very simple
I don’t think Brad Johnson has been the best ever at the position but the guy somehow won a superbowl with Tampa Bay. He can’t be as bad as what we had a chance to see last year. We went through 10 QB’s who couldn’t survive this system until we found a guy who’s best ability is to escape the rush and make plays in the run (To me that is Romo’s greatest asset, he’s not that accurate).
My problem with the cowboys have been O-line and Dfenesive secondary.
I think Romo is great, we have 3 good running backs, a good TE, WR’s are OK (Miles is great but he’s only one and still needs to get better)…..I don’t know enough about O-line but it pisses the hell out of me to see all those penalties and the fact that can’t run it 3 – 4 yards staright up the middle at all!!!!…..and they don’t protect Romo….Romo makes them look good.
Defense we have 4 great players….Rat, Ware, Jenkins and Brooking…….a couple more and Wade would be very effective running this thing.
Conclusion: Draft or sign 2 – 3 players for the O-line, a great CB and a good safety so we can really get this thing going.
again...
Im not taking shots at romo…..I think he’s great but his accuracy aint no “Aikman like”…..behing a good O-line I think Romo would be just as good as Brady or Peyton after some years,
Agree 100%
Over the last 3 years this team has had plenty of talent, and plenty more than teams with better records. We’ve had our share of critical injuries the last few years, but so has every team in the league. Our offense of late has piled up the yardage, but we haven’t put up the points. Our defense hasn’t looked spectacular, but they’ve put us in position to win. Romo is best when on the run, but we’re forcing him to stay in the pocket and get ball batted down by D linemen. We’ve shown some creativity now and then but can’t get on a roll. The O-line may be the common denominator, but fixing it will not be quick or easy. Newman thinks he’s Deion in coverage but can’t close to seal the deal. I say no way to Garrett as HC. There, I feel better now.
The false starts and the other flags were part of this team when Parcells was here
and Sparano was running the o-line and Haley and Payton were running the passing game.
It’s the players. When this team gets a new left side of its o-line, many of those problems will go away.
Roy sounds pretty confident we'll win
http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=4745595
guess we’re not gonna sneak up on NO. Not that that was going to happen anyway.
I honestly would LOVE to see some major normally reserved player step up and say we’re gonna make the playoffs. But its meaningless coming from guys like Roy and Crayton. In fact, all it does is look bad.
I hope his confidence reflects the attitude of the team
because you will not beat a team like the Saints if you don’t think you can.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Dec 15, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
hopefully
but roy does seem to talk a lot, and the way we ended that san diego game makes me question hwo we’ll play in this one.
Last year in early december against the Steelers and Giants, games which we felt like we needed at the time, we came out and played hard, tough agressive football. I would love to see that cowboys team next week.
I agree...
If the Cowboys team that played NYG in December last year can find a way to show itself, we definitely have a fighting chance at beating the Saints.
And while I know it seems farfetched, could you imagine what would happen if we somehow beat the Saints? ESPN would go into hyperdrive and all of a sudden this Cowboys team would seem like a real player in the playoffs. The road wouldn’t be over, but a win in NO would be about as big a December catalyst as you could think of.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Dec 15, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think it's far fetched at all
If the Skins had a kicker as good as a high school kicker, they beat the Saints. We can too.
In Romo we Trust
The skins
On the road against a great defense (yes i think it is great) in the cold and the snow they came really close to beating us
I give them all the credit in the world there O.C. called an almost perfect game against us and their players stepped up
But this is in our dome,no bad footing on a soggy field,no cold weather,and hopefully we will have some of our starters back on defense
This will be a different game but a good one good luck
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 16, 2009 9:18 AM CST up reply actions
you can't use the bad field and weather as an excuse
because you still put up over 30 points so obviously the weather and field didn’t affect your offense at all.
The fact is your defense isn’t good and your achilles heel and any team that wants to beat you has to take advantage of that weakness.
In Romo we Trust
I said i give them all the credit
That their O.C. called an almost perfect game against us
And i would say that is because of the familiarity with Greg Williams
and you can bet our score against the dallas D will be more like the Eagles and Giants we put 48 on each of them
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 16, 2009 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
And we dont know what our achilles heel is yet
Different teams have different ideas how to beat us and none have done it yet
I think the way to beat us is for a team like Indy to get in a shoot out with us and out score us
If you score every time you get the ball and you have the ball last it will probably beat us
Slowing down the game and hoping to keep the ball out of Brees’s hands has failed miserably this year for the teams who have tried it
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 16, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
it's your defense, no question
IMO they’re not championship caliber like your offense is
In Romo we Trust
Maybe not 48 but it will be close to forty
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 16, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
Cowboys 17 Saints 14
Bwahahaha!
I saw a dog today. Have you seen a dog? You probably have. How was school? Was it fun? Did you get a lot of homework? Huh? Do you have any friends? Do you have a best friend? Does he have a big coat, too?
by Aaron Novinger on Dec 17, 2009 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
the funny thing is our defense is capable
of shutting down the Saints to that score if they play to their potential, because there is a lot of talent on that side of the ball.
In Romo we Trust
as a saints fan,
i think it’s gonna be close, forget about all that december slump crap.
it’s gonna be a great game, high scoring, first one to 45 wins.
get your popcorn ready……. wait ya’ll don’t say that anymore,do ya’ll?
last week I said it will come down to the offense needing to score around 24 points to win
and for once this year, I was right. We didn’t, though we looked much better than in games against denver and GB in the 3-4.
This week, it comes down to whether our defense can hold you guys to around 24.
Our oline is too poor for us to put up 35+. I just can’t see it happening.
I think the Cowboys want to knock the Saints down a notch
since everyone is crowning them NFC champs already, in addition to saving their season.
In Romo we Trust
They've been really good though
unlike other teams riding past years’ reps like NE and NYG…
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
In the past few games, I disagree
Their defense has looked awfully bad at times this year, if the Cowboys can solve their red zone problems Saturday, they definitely can be beat.
Hell, their defense made Campbell and Redman look like Brady and Manning.
In Romo we Trust
agreed that their defense isnt that hot, but the problem is we wont be able to stop them....
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
I seriously doubt he is...
If it was at home I think we have a chance, but its not so I think we will lose this one. If so, were home for the playoffs….we have to win this game or its slim to make it..
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
thesaints lost both starting corner backs.
and their nickle back , but word is that porter is gonna play saturday, before the injurys the D played well. the other corner (greer) will be back in a few weeks
And the OLB Fugita
I hope he will be back soon I agree the first one to 45 wins
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 16, 2009 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
Red Zone Issues
Why does anyone think the Cowboys will fix their red zone issues this game when they have had issues all year? If the Cowboys do well in the red zone this week, it will be way outside of normal behavior. The way the Cowboys score is often from outside the red zone. When things get compressed inside the 20 and options are limited, the D line of the opposing team can gear up against the Cowboys’ mediocre offensive line. The Boys have to score TDs, period, and not leave it in Folks’ hands. In fact, I think he needs to be deactivated and use Buehler, but just go for it on 4th down between the 23 and 35 yard line. Going forward the Cowboys will throw a lot more in the red zone, slants and fades. Campbell is a good player, by the way.
by DatNguyenNguyenScenario on Dec 15, 2009 4:22 PM CST reply actions
Don't want to frighten anyone...
…but check out the caliber of the QB we’ll be facing this Saturday:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=4361
I’ve always been impressed by Brees, even back when I was watching him tear up Northwestern as Purdue’s QB in my undergrad days.
Not saying we can’t win on Saturday. I think we can. Just think he’s a very good player.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Pass Rush or Bust
When the Boys create pressure, our secondary can survive. For some reason there are games where they stall, like last game-even Ware hasn’t done much a couple of times.
And then the secondary is exposed. True for all teams, but esp. this one.
So we’ll see if they can disrupt consistently, because if not, this could be a blowout.
And I really do not want to see RBush dodging through some poor tackling for a long TD! Please?
Besides OLine, I hope this team can find somewhere, somehow, a big hitter at safety, either draft or a FA. I think Dallas’s defense could take the next step w/ someone who brought that factor to the team. Same as every year-OLine and guys who are blue collar winners. Great signings w/ Brookings/Igor.
by Realist Larry on Dec 15, 2009 6:10 PM CST up reply actions
Did you watch the video?
Is that not insane?
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
WOW!
I totally forgot that we had Parcells, Payton, Haley and Sparano together at one time.
~Texas Massacre '09~
Turnabout is fair play... David Lee
If the Dolphins make the playoffs, go raid their staff during the week leading up to the game (although it is strictly prohibited by league rules) and make an under the table handshake with David Lee to become the new offensive coordinator and assistance head coach under Garrett.
Tex still can’t believe that Parcells got away with that non-coaching offer to Sparano which circumvented the Rooney Rule and violated league policy for teams in the playoffs. Of course Sparano checked out and his line had the worst game of the year.
as soon as Blogging the Boys decides to offer up a gossip column,
That’s the day I’ll read Tex’s diatribes. Unfortunately, I come to this site to talk football.
by alanTdot. on Dec 15, 2009 8:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think Lee as OC is a good idea honestly.
this is like…the third time i’ve agreed with tex in a week. jeez.
I actually do as well...
Romo like him and he would be a good complement to Garrett.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Dec 16, 2009 2:40 AM CST up reply actions
I'm down with Lee coming back...one of Romo's mentors could always help secure his elite status.
I saw a dog today. Have you seen a dog? You probably have. How was school? Was it fun? Did you get a lot of homework? Huh? Do you have any friends? Do you have a best friend? Does he have a big coat, too?
by Aaron Novinger on Dec 16, 2009 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
It's always Valley Ranch 90210 with you, Tex
Melodrama first.
I must say I’m amused. Romo is making a big step forward as a QB, cutting his mistakes to a career low and how suddenly he’s “scared.”
Austin is producing at a level that would give him 1600 yards with a full season of starts but he’s “not a deep threat.”
And water is not wet, right?
In Tex's defense ...
he has stood firm since DAY ONE about Phillips. When Wade was hired, you (Rafael) co-signed on the dotted line, that Jerry made the right hire. .. Just like you promoted Carpenter .. then Felix over Chris Johnson. I love the fact that a guy gets berated for being RIGHT!!! I have to agree with Tex that the past 3 years have been a waste of great talent here in Dallas .. as I recall on the old blog we both said from day one with Wade .. that the Cowboys will NEVER win a Championship with him at realm .. but no one wanted to listen. Now everyone wants to underplay what he stood firm with all along. There are a number of coaches, that if hired, then, Dallas wins at the very least an NFC Championship in the last 3 years.
Romo, on the other hand, has cut down on the mistakes, to the point of giving the team a chance to win every game, and is playing excellent football. But even here, before this season, Tex has a valid point with Romo’s play. .. Less he forget that all would be a moot point had the team been prepared heading into the NFC Divisional playoff a few years ago. Yeah I know, “its not Wade’s fault”, and I am an idiot for suggesting such. Romo played fine that game, except for missing Owens on a crossing pattern. It was Crayton’s drop, the decision to play prevent right before the half (allowing the Giants to drive the field ina minute), mental errors on 3rd down (penalties and being out of position) on defense, a drop by Fasano, and Crayton stopping on his pattern that did the Cowboys in.
But I am one who applauds Tex for sticking to his guns about Phillips despite the opposition. I try to be optimistic that the Cowboys can win despite of Wade, but the descision to hire him was a poor one by Jerry.
by spadesking131313 on Dec 15, 2009 10:31 PM CST up reply actions
and Drew Henson?
If we are going to put on the 20-20 hindsight glasses then let’s talk about everything.
Tex was a firm believer in Drew Henson, had his ticket punched for Canton and everything.
The two of you are bleating about Wade Phillips and how anyone else would have won at least one playoff game.
If you had anything beside raw
supposition and Drew Henson on your side I might not laugh so hard.
by alanTdot. on Dec 15, 2009 10:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If you want to blast him for ...
Henson, then do it …. but he was dead on about Phillips. Supposition?? We all had Dallas competing for championships over the next 5 years when Parcells left. The fact that they were the #1 seed and still never win a playoff game is inexcusable!!!
by spadesking131313 on Dec 16, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
a broken watch is right twice a day .......
by alanTdot. on Dec 16, 2009 12:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
nice one
I saw a dog today. Have you seen a dog? You probably have. How was school? Was it fun? Did you get a lot of homework? Huh? Do you have any friends? Do you have a best friend? Does he have a big coat, too?
by Aaron Novinger on Dec 17, 2009 9:22 AM CST up reply actions
When the expectations are ...
a team on the rise and a team that SHOULD compete for the NFC and a few Super Bowls in years to come, then Wade is an absolute FAILURE!! Those were the projections, and we, fans, were all excited about the Cowboys when Parcells left. Now they are a laughing stock and no team takes them seriously with Phillips running the show. At some point instead of berating Tex, maybe some of you should just admit that he was right all along. 3 Years WASTED!!!!! With your twisted logic, it will never be Wade’s fault. Bottom line is he did not meet the expectations of the team he inheritted (not even close!!) … In football lingo, he failed miserably
by spadesking131313 on Dec 16, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
"Opinions about Phillips" ..
Anyone defending the choice of Phillips .. is the person “drinking” .. drunk even!
But I will explain the comment “twisted logic” .. You see you, or anyone else, can forever say “its not Wade’s fault” or “its just an opinion that he is aweful” because its the players who play. If that were the case though, why go through the long, pain-saking process of finding a coach? With logic like “its never the coaches fault”, then we might as well hire a bum off the streets. Phillips has to be held accountable. The expectations were high, and now the Cowboys really have no credability when it comes to the being a contender.
by spadesking131313 on Dec 16, 2009 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
You are using a lot of quotes
That unfortunately never came from me. Watch this:
I’m hot for Terry
Signed
spadesking131313
See, I can make up stuff too.
You believe that Wade is the problem and that he must go. Awesome. That does not mean everyone or even anyone is compelled to agree with you. It’s an opinion, nothing more.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
And it really would be more flattering for you
if you were drunk. It’s a much nicer explanation for your bizarre rantings.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
Been hearing the same crap ...
for 4 years now!
Its always gonna be just “an opinion” with people like you. Truth is though .. I said, from day one, that Dallas will not win with Wade Phillips as coach. It happened!! No opinion there!! I opposed the decision from day one. When the Boys started off good in his first year, I said they would lose their 1st playoff game. They did!! No opinion there!! When I, or Tex, or anyone opposing your “opinion”, its always a change of subject .. critiquing every last word of a post … or flat out name calling.
Wade is the guy counting the rafters in the new stadium in the 4th quarter of a big game. You are stuck on stupid with him, just because you do not want to admit you are wrong. The guy is a FAILURE here!! You can keep changing the subject … or cutting out snippets from each post .. or use big, meaningful words like “idiot” … but with each passing December game and with each passing season, Tex grows more right. ….
You on the other hand bring nothing forward to support your “opinion”, whatever that is. You talk about opinions and supposition, but again the expectations when Wade was hired was competing for championships and Super Bowls (we can go archiving, and almost everyone was excited about the Cowboys then). The team has fallen WAY short of their expectations under Phillips. Call it what you will but most logical people call that FAILURE!!
You see follow your logic and stand by your man Wade, and you end up with 4 years of disappointments. Listen to Tex and maybe Mike Singletary or Rex Ryan is coaching Dallas … and I “suppose” we MIGHT have won a Super Bowl by now. Of course its just supposition that another coach would have done better … but you are still stuck on 4 years of disappointments with your guy. … Weigh that with the talent here on this team, the expectations then, the fact that other coaches who were available then are having greater success with less talent, and the Cowboys had the #1 seed the very first year, and our “supposition” strongly suggest that our opinion has more validity than yours. … But hey, its just an opinion … and I guess Tiger never cheated on his wife because no one saw it.
by spadesking131313 on Dec 17, 2009 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
Hey, Super Genius GM Jerry Jones thought Henson was the future too
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
c'mon man
no one said that austin is not a deep threat, i was more about the play calls than miles.
He was talking about Tex's post
Not yours. You’d have to live in this neighborhood to fully appreciate the situation…
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
Thanks for hanging out, r c a
it’s nice to be able to carry on an intelligent discussion with fans from opposing teams. PFT is such an awful circus of nothing but flamethrowing.
Great post
I really wanna’ keep RHG around. I understand he’s still learning, but the guy shows great potential. I don’t want another “one that got away”, like Payton.
I also agree 100% when it comes to the O-line. That’s the real reason we can’t run the ball consistently. Can’t blame Garrett for “not calling enough running plays” when the O-line PROVES they’re incapable of moving the guy lined up in front of them.
Fix the O-line and lets see if RHG can flourish. I think he will, and I think Jerry knows it. I’m already wondering who our next D.C. is going to be.
Epic Fail since 1985
+1
I saw a dog today. Have you seen a dog? You probably have. How was school? Was it fun? Did you get a lot of homework? Huh? Do you have any friends? Do you have a best friend? Does he have a big coat, too?
by Aaron Novinger on Dec 16, 2009 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
ware
so maybe i’m wrong but is the speed rush to the outside the only pass rush move ware knows? i hardly ever see him doing any other moves. no inside or fakes or anything. or am i missing them?
completely off subject
just saw todd mcshay’s first mock draft and he had us getting taylor mays. /drool
The Giants
Were the only team to win a Superbowl this decade without a play making safety.
A play making safety is a must in the 3-4. If he can blitz you will have one of the top defenses every year.
Harrison and Polamalu have 5 Superbowls between themselves. Throw in Bob Sanders, Ed Reed and John Lynch and it looks like you need a top 5 safety to win a bowl.
The Saints add Daren Sharper and there defense becomes a turnover machine.
Imagine the Vikings if they would have kept him.
We need a play making safety in the worse way. These two guys are not good enough.
Hamlin hasn’t been the same since the fight even though he made the Pro Bowl.
He was killing people before he came to Dallas.
by Sharksbreath on Dec 15, 2009 10:05 PM CST up reply actions
I just don't see Ed Reed, Sanders, Polamalu
getting beat that easy by Gates. They would have been on his ass.
by Sharksbreath on Dec 15, 2009 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
I actually agree with you that we need a play-making safety in a bad way (especially considering Hamlin's salary)
I doubt Jerry would even consider it, but I would heavily support trading up to get a shot at Eric Berry. Before I get ripped, I realize just what that might entail (probably leveraging 2011’s draft). However, I don’t think you are going to see a guy like Eric Berry come out of the draft for a while and I think he will be the next Ed Reed. Plus, when you consider what could potentially happen with the cap, it makes sense to go after a guy like that because draft picks as a whole are going to be devalued if the cap goes away.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Dec 15, 2009 10:22 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, we need a playmaker in the secondary...big time!
I saw a dog today. Have you seen a dog? You probably have. How was school? Was it fun? Did you get a lot of homework? Huh? Do you have any friends? Do you have a best friend? Does he have a big coat, too?
by Aaron Novinger on Dec 16, 2009 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
Heck yes
If Taylor Mays had a high football IQ, he’d be perfect. (of course he’d also probably go in the top 10)
You can't stop Patrick Crayton, you can only hope to contain him.
by APerfectStar on Dec 17, 2009 10:14 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't think Mays was having too good a year but
Scott Wright over at nfldraftcountdown has him as his #2 ranked player overall.
by houseofprime on Dec 15, 2009 11:22 PM CST up reply actions
no underclassmen in nfldraft countdown
Scott wrights rankings are useless until he adds the declared underclassmen
by alanTdot. on Dec 16, 2009 12:04 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
On speed and strength he probably is up there
but I am not so sure everything else is there for him to be great (instincts, intangibles, etc.). If he fell to us, it would be hard to pass though since he would have been a top-15 pick last year.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Dec 16, 2009 2:43 AM CST up reply actions
No Mays for me.
Physical freak though he is, apparently he’s not great in pass coverage, just a big hitter. Sound familiar?
In his defense though
he has the speed to recover and could possibly be taught to cover better.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Dec 16, 2009 2:44 AM CST up reply actions
I agree Joon.
Mays would just piss off Cowboys fans. Plus, he disappears in games. That’s not a playmaker worthy of a high pick to me.
I saw a dog today. Have you seen a dog? You probably have. How was school? Was it fun? Did you get a lot of homework? Huh? Do you have any friends? Do you have a best friend? Does he have a big coat, too?
by Aaron Novinger on Dec 16, 2009 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
-1 on Mays....sounds too much like RW I agree....
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
I dont see Jerry drafting a first round safety ever again after the RW(1) experiment..
WR Golden Tate (ND) or NT Terrance Cody (Alabama) is where they could go in the mid first round…Cody is a monster at 356 lbs….I still think Ratliff should be moved to DE….if we sign a player like this it could happen.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Garrett
will be a better head coach than he is an OC. Whether that’s at Dallas or not, we’ll see. That said, I think it’s too early to be talking about Wade’s replacement. I don’t expect anything great from here on out, but its not a far stretch to see this team in the playoffs and doing well.
Raffy - I told you this...
during training camp…if you guys had just listened to me then, we’d be 13-0 right now -
"The Most Dangerous Man in the world is the one with nothing to lose"
by SaratogaRacing on Dec 15, 2009 10:23 PM CST reply actions
First, kudos for the Beatles reference in your title. Nice. Second, please, please
an upgrade of the O line. Please. Lastly, yeah, I’d love to see Jerry pluck another Jimmy Johnson from somewhere.
I am not believing this
First, if you look at the history of coaches who won championships with one team then went to another, their combined record is 0-11. So obviously that doesn’t work. Second, Garrett’s schemes are simplistic and predictable. Opposing defenses have been saying that for two years. And his play calling is suspect. Jerry’s redheaded stepchild would be a horrible choice for HC. Third, you want a Beatles reference, I’ll give you a Beatles reference. “We all lose with a Jerry sublet team, a Jerry sublet team, a Jerry sublet team.”
"Coaching is getting men to do what they do not want to do, in order to get them to achieve what they want to achieve." --Tom Landry
Garrett’s schemes are simplistic and predictable. Opposing defenses have been saying that for two years.
This is what I find troubling, and no one who is supporting Garrett as HC has addressed this
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
I bet Norv's schemes are pretty simple, too. They were when he ran the show in the Dallas coach's booth.
The difference? Execution. Dallas in the 90s, and San Diego now… they execute the plays properly, and to devastating effect.
Garrett’s maligned band of miscreants can’t get out of their own way… taking penalties, dropping passes, targeting the wrong receivers, and whiffing on blitz pickup.
Don't Agree
Comparing Turner to Garrett is not a good one. Turner back in the 1990’s had two things going for him. One was an almost bottomless pit of great talent, something we don’t have now. It’s more than just execution. Having three Hall of Famers at skill positions and Pro Bowlers at almost every other position make play calling easy. Second, while his play book was simple, he had a great feel for how to mix up his play calling, especially between the run and pass. He would find a weakness in a defense and exploit it until they corrected, then quickly switch off and attack the other hole in the defense that was left open. He knew how to keep defensive coordinators back on their heels. Garrett seems to be the exact opposite. Defenses adjust to his game plan early, and he doesn’t seem to recover until it’s the fourth quarter.
Garrett has improved this year, but I’m starting to doubt whether we have the time over the next five or so years for him to learn sound play calling and player management. It’s clear to me he needs seasoning. Head coach is not the place to start, especially if he’s not grown into a mature offensive coordinator yet.
It always seemed like Norv switched it up well
but that team was so good there wasn’t much need for deception. You didn’t need to hide that you were going to feed Emmitt, and the sideline out to #88 was pretty much unstoppable.
He still made the adjustments that you note – I’m just saying that he never had to go away from his meat and potatoes. One of his strengths was never getting too cute, as he sure didn’t need to.
by I_miss_Switzer on Dec 16, 2009 9:03 AM CST up reply actions
You just made my point for me. Success lied in execution, not scheme.
Those guys were All Pros and Pro Bowlers and MVPs because they executed a simple scheme to perfection, and nobody could stop them.
very true
All great offenses are pretty simple and predictable really, they’re good because they execute those simple and predictable plays to perfection.
60s Packers ran the power sweep and all defenses knew it coming bit couldn’t stop it because the Pack executed it to perfection.
In 90s, all defenses knew Emmitt would get the ball at the goal line and could never stop it and they all knew Aikman was going to Irvin on a skinny post, but could never stop it.
Why…perfect execution.
In Romo we Trust
This is not a great offense, it is a good offense, which is why misdirection and subterfuge can work wonders
Remember the play with the fake pitch to Austin and then Romo hit Roy W in the end zone? The Triplets Cowboys never would have done anything like that because they didn’t need to, but this team needs plays like that.
That is why the “Feed the Ball to Barber at the Goal Line” move was so maddening. If a team had been set up for play action pass, it was San Diego, and yet we got nothing
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
They still have to play the game.
Bet it as you wish, but now Dallas has their back to the wall. We will see just what kind of character our players have after Saturday.
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
We saw what character they had in Philadelphia last year in week 17. This team is a bunch of sorry dogs until they prove otherwise.
by Urinal Mint on Dec 16, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
Talent Level In Steady Decline
We just witnessed a draft where the most productive member is a long kicker and it’s very questionable if any of these guys ever start. Thus far nobody is raving about any of our prospects. This is part due to the Jones brothers way over paying, just like they did with Galloway, for a WR that they misjudged as “the guy.”
It’s time to take they personnel keys away and let someone else have a crack at it. If it were not for our FA signings the last couple of years we’d be pretty void of young talent right now.
by Jaymanburlington on Dec 16, 2009 8:22 AM CST reply actions
We are getting little contribution from our draft class
nobody has stood out in a special teams or situational role, who knows who will ever pan out. Injuries have not helped. Considering 2006 was a disaster, I agree that we are struggling to maintain talent.
I know this is long past and oft discussed, but Jerry went quantity this year when we needed quality. I also feel that the value now is in trading up, as so many people want to trade down.
by I_miss_Switzer on Dec 16, 2009 9:06 AM CST up reply actions
Our draft wasnt very good...I said they from the start...who wouldve thought our kicker was the best draft pick up to this point
Maybe Victor Butler and Jason Williams turn out to be something, maybe not….Jerry needs to go for quality and stop messing around with trading down next April.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Wow nice post
270 comments and most of them well thought out and stated with very little name calling and trolling i like it
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 16, 2009 9:36 AM CST reply actions
Well..I've read thru this blog...
It sounds mighty familiar..The fact of the matter is there are three games left..The season is not over..I can’t stand when a fan gives up hope..The season is 16 regular season games long..and it is not over…Keep the draft talk for January..Your facing NO on Saturday..Gotta concentrate on playing hard against them with what you’ve got..and that article I read about earlier sounds like they are already crucifying Phillips..rubbish..Maybe his promise to be a tougher coach wasn’t tough enough, but you have multi millionaire players out there..Like the real LT once said..If you don’t know what your doing..rush the damn QB..and I agree that you need O-Line upgrades..but like us, you fielded a team you thought you could win with..so, just play it out and see what happens..and stop handing out 3-D glasses..hand out something the fans can wave and cheer with..
From a Giants fan no less. I don't like Wade and I'll admit that, but I love the Cowboys.
I hope they win them all, but I can’t help but be a little dissapointed in their play.
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
I don't think Wade is the best coach out there, but
hanging any and all problems on him is a stretch. Hs record is better than Parcells’ right now. The players own their share too. I wish I could say for sure what proportion each has, but I lack the experience and access to judge.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
A few thoughts
1. In my opinion this season is over for the Cowboys. I’m not a pessimist or an optimist; just a realist.
2. There’s alot of talk about a new coach and potential candidates. My wish is that we get a coach who can light a fire under this team. Remember a team is a reflection of its coach. From Wade Phillips’ demeanor, you can see that he is too laid back. He does not get after his players like other coaches in this division. I read a story the other day that the Eagles head coach is forcing his players to practice all week in pads so as to improve their tackling since they tackled so poorly against the Giants. This is something that Wade would never do. He would probably give his players a few days off instead. Also, someone on this blog mentioned Jason Garrett as a potential candidate for the next Cowboys head coaching job. Just ask yourself one question: is he capable of motivating this team of underachievers to play upto their level. I don’t know….
3. My wish for the 2010 NFL draft for Dallas: CJ Spiller. This team lacks a true offensive threat. Someone who scares opposing defenses. The one player in this draft who can truly change the complexion of the game is CJ Spiller. To me, if the Cowboys drafted him, he would be the Dallas’ version of Desean Jackson. Desean Jackson is a game changer. Just look at what he did to the Giants!!!!!! I don’t understand why we drafted Martellus Bennett instead of him last year. This was a bad decision by Jerry. Just remember one thing if the Giants get CJ Spiller (as is predicted by many of the draft gurus), the Cowboys will not be going to the playoffs for another decade. I hope they do the smart thing and draft this guy. It will pay hefty dividends since he can play rb, hb, flanker, wr, kick returner and punt returner. He is a mult-purpose threat. To me a kid like CJ Spiller comes once in a decade. He is more important than drafting a wr or ot.
My other wishes for the upcoming draft:
2. Jacoby Ford (speed, speed and more speed)
3. Jordan Shipley (the next Wes Welker)
4-7 BPL (either OT, NT S, CB) you choose
Jerry I hope you read this and draft CJ Spiller and make sure that the Giants don’t get him…..
I sure as heck HOPE CJ doesn't go to one of our archrivals. I'm a Clemson fan, so I have intimate knowledge of that man
he would scare the living daylights out of me in an Eagles or Giants uniform (so long as they use him properly). But I don’t think the team has room for another RB, unless we part ways with Barber, or something. Heh, that could produce a 3 RB backfield, with Choice staying in, and then Felix and CJ motioning out to slot or flanker position, lol. Still I don’t think we can afford him right now, but I’d love to have him in a star.
Now Jacoby is another story. We can definitely use a speed WR, and I’ve been calling from him for a while now. He also returns kicks and punts. He is a NCAA national track champion to boot.
But the big story in the draft is going to be OL this year, as I’m sure the team will “carpet bomb” the position. That and a beast at FS would be my wish. If we can fit Jacoby in there, so much the better.

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