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Quincyyyyy's highly anticipated Offseason

 

Offseason:

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2010 draft:

 

2a. C Maurkice Pouncey Gator (traded back into early second round and picked up a 3rd round pick)

http://www.tampabay.com/multimedia/archive/00035/c4s_pouncey082808_35612c.jpeg

Big physical center who has said he'll enter the draft this year if the NFL advisory committee gives him a first or second round grade.  I think they will.

 

2b. OT Jason Fox Hurricane

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Compares to Doug Free who has done an admirable job replacing Colombo, but Fox comes with a better pedigree and is more talented.

 

3a. WR/PR Jordan Shipley Longhorn

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/48/482713.jpg

Crayton is on the decline, and Shipley has more talent and speed.

 

3b. WR Danario Alexander Tiger

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Big extremely productive receiver, but might not go as high as he should because of a poor 40.  With the departure of Roy Williams, he should give Romo a nice big target in the endzone.

 

4a. CB/Returner Walter Thurmond III Duck

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Will provide depth in the secondary and can contribute as a return man.

 

4b. NT Torrell Troup Golden Knight

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Big space eater on UCF's number 2 ranked run defense.

 

6. K Leigh Tiffin Crimson Tide

http://blog.al.com/rapsheet/2009/05/medium_Leigh%20Tiffin%200506.jpg

Third time's a charm?

 

7. FS/SS Jordan Lake Bear

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Not very athletic but he is well built and a good tackler.  He would be at the very least be a good special teams player.

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Send Marcus Spears and Flo to the Dolphins for a 4th round pick

I think this is how that conversation would go.

“Hey Bill… Jerry here. I think we have a nice offer for you. We’ll trade you Marcus Spears and Flozell Adams for… (click)… Hello? Bill? Are you there?”

Otherwise, good to see you’re recognizing the desperate need for some young OL help.

by JimmyK on Dec 21, 2009 12:10 PM CST reply actions  

Pretty sure Wilfork's

gonna get re-upped by the Pats. They traded Seymour to clear up space. Letting him go would take their D even more steps back.

The Dolphins have no need for a player like FLozell Adams either…Vernon Carey and Jake Long are good bookends for their style of offense..and I doubt they want a big contract/fool as their backup.

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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 21, 2009 12:24 PM CST reply actions  

Also Smith their DE

has been hurt that last few years, and their Dline is very old, so even though they drafted Ziggy they could want another

"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards

by nicholas.rodriguez on Dec 21, 2009 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd love to see Wilfork on the 'Boys

If nothing else, it would make Nickel situations more difficult for opposing O’s. Rat and Wilfork, bookended by Ware and Spencer? Yes, please.

I have a feeling that Wilfork’s price will be outrageously high, though.

Don’t know how I feel about the cutting Roy thing…. He ain’t great, but he ain’t awful. My only question would be the manner in which it effect the cap. (After next year, assuming there will be no salary cap…)

by tkosmith on Dec 21, 2009 12:31 PM CST reply actions  

doesn't matter if his price is high

clearing out Flo and Roy will save tons of space

by quincyyyyy on Dec 21, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I know there will likely not be a cap...

However, I highly doubt that next season will become a “Free-For-All” as far as dumping bad contracts with no ramifications.

Cutting contracts next season will still likely count against any future cap, and as of now we have no idea what those numbers are/will be. The potential space vs. cost may not be benificial at all.

I think there will not be many major moves at all next off-season, as teams wait out the CBA to see where things will stand.

by tkosmith on Dec 21, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

The only reason I doubt that...

Is that we would not be the only team dumping bad contracts. Every team would be dumping contracts, and I mean EVERY team.

If you’re right, I’d be shocked, and we should then prepare for the biggest FA field in a long, long time.

However, most of what I’ve read goes against that thought process, and the general opinion seems to be that teams will mostly hang on to what they’ve got… Until a new CBA has been ratified.

by tkosmith on Dec 21, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

teams will dump a lot of bad contracts but anyone drafted after the '04 draft

will be restricted. So it might not be as big a field as you may think.

by quincyyyyy on Dec 21, 2009 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Guaranteed salary from 2010 and beyond is reallocated to capped years unless the entire 2009 salary is guaranteed. 50% of guaranteed salary in any League Year beyond 2012 is reallocated to capped years.

We’d be screwed if we cut either of the two…

by tkosmith on Dec 21, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Wait I'm confused is this in regards to cutting or trading a player?

And even if that is the case we have Flo and Roy signed beyond 2012. Cutting them this year would reduce the hit for next year.

by quincyyyyy on Dec 21, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

In regards to cutting a player...

Next year will not be a “free” season. Guaranteed money is guaranteed money. It will hurt the ’Boys on the back end.

The uncapped year doesn’t mean that future seasons salaries become negligible.

by tkosmith on Dec 21, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions  

when you say salaries you mean gauranteed right?

Anyhow like the above post said 50% beyond 2012 will be relocated beyond cap years.

Anyhow Roy had 26.6 in guaranteed. We paid a 10 million option bonus this year. And then there is a 9 million option bonus next year, which I’m guessing we won’t have to pay him if we cut him. So I don’t think there really will be that much of a hit at all given the way Jerry structured his contract.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=NFL&id=35

by quincyyyyy on Dec 21, 2009 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Isn't Spears a FA after this year?

On Flozell… I honestly think he’s at the stage where he’s more valuable as a guard than as a tackle. With his size, strength and mobility issues I could easily see him shifting inside and being a mauler.

by Conjunction on Dec 21, 2009 12:35 PM CST reply actions  

Like the draft a lot

Don’t know if I’d cut Roy, depends on the hit the cowboys would take-he’s still a decent 2 WR. I’d love Wilfork, and to have a line with both him and ratliff would be pretty sweet-but it’s not gaurenteed Rat will be as good at DE, even if he was drafted there-but I’m not going to make that assumption.
Also, I go to MU and went to every game, Alexander is a stud. You’re right about his 40, but he plays faster on the field. Great size and good hands. Snubbed by almost all voters, deserved a nom for Biletnikoff. I’d be real happy to pick him up, I can see him being a #2 one day; and with Shipley in the slot!

by tyhall on Dec 21, 2009 12:40 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Is Roy worth 9 mil a year?

And Rat played DE before Jason Ferguson got hurt and looked real good there in training camps and situationally.

by quincyyyyy on Dec 21, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

If you read what I posted

You’d see I’m not saying he wouldn’t be good at DE, just thinking out loud. Also, no Roy isn’t worth 9 mil a year and if the cowboys could dump him and his contract (which I don’t know) then do it, but if not then he is suitable as a #2. Personally, I think a year down the road Alexander may be better than Roy in this league but if they are going to take a huge cap hit then they might as well hold on to him and see how he handles competition from some younger guys.

by tyhall on Dec 21, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

The kid has a little bit of speed. He outran the kansas state defense on one play

by Oswan on Dec 21, 2009 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

What I like...

as you know, I’ve been advocating the move to DE for Rat for some time. His quickness coupled with his size (~305 lbs.) is tailor-made to occupy the spot.

VW is going to command huge money and we all know how the Pats feel about players getting big contracts and screwing up their razor-thin (pardon the pun) margins when it comes to long term big deals.

Flozell is going to get cut as soon as Dallas feels it has a reasonable facsimile of a LT. Spears is a RFA and Dallas will likely not match any sizable offer he gets. So they’ll get some decent compensation for him in a year that is healthy with WR’s and safeties, which are bigger areas of need.

I expect to see more of Hatcher and Bowen in 2010.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Dec 21, 2009 1:06 PM CST reply actions  

I'm for the move...

but you can’t do that until you have a viable NT.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Dec 21, 2009 11:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed (strange,eh?)

Stud NT’s definitely do not grow on trees.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Dec 22, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Dude...Shipley and WT3?

I’m definitely on board with that draft!

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by Aaron Novinger on Dec 21, 2009 1:14 PM CST reply actions  

+1

Wilfork, Rat, and Igor- that is an Elite Dline.

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by Wmillion on Dec 21, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, it would be.

But I thought the reasoning behind the Pats trading Seymore was so they could afford to re-sign Wilfork.

I saw a dog today. Have you seen a dog? You probably have. How was school? Was it fun? Did you get a lot of homework? Huh? Do you have any friends? Do you have a best friend? Does he have a big coat, too?

by Aaron Novinger on Dec 21, 2009 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Not sure about that...

They got 8 years of good service out of him and then parlayed a 30-year old DT into a #1 from a bad team (likely a high #1). Brilliant move by Belichick, in my opinion.

by JimmyK on Dec 21, 2009 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Comments..

Shipley, I image, will be a 1st-2nd rounder once the combines and BCS champ are done.

I expect the Cowboys to rid themselves of Flozell and Marion Barber, with the uncapped season coming up, and possibly Roy Williams, although unlikely.

I believe Jerry may make an effort to lure in Julius Peppers, who was rumored to want to come here last season, and with an uncapped season would be able to negotiate a deal with him easier.

by Beasticon on Dec 21, 2009 1:27 PM CST reply actions  

LOL!

RID themselves of MBIII.

That guy is terrible. Worst running back in the league. He stinks. /sarcasm

Give me a friggin’ break, man.

by tkosmith on Dec 21, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

he is grossly overpaid for what he is

and the Cowboys can save money and get a goal line back who does the same thing for much cheaper.

Give me a friggin break, homer.

by Beasticon on Dec 21, 2009 6:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Goal line back?!

Apparently, you aren’t paying much attention. One of the major reason Barber is valuable to this team is because he runs so damn well out of the shotgun. The rest of our backs have a little trouble with it, and he’s a beast on the lead draw.

I love this fantastic idea that we could get any old bum off the street and he could equal Barber’s value. THAT is ridiculous.

by tkosmith on Dec 21, 2009 7:29 PM CST up reply actions  

are you a moron?

barber is too slow to be anything but an effective short yardage back. barber has so much value that you couldn’t trade him for a 7th round pick. choice should start and felix should spell him. you don’t need a short yardage back making $6+ million when you can draft someone to do that for much cheaper.

by Beasticon on Dec 21, 2009 7:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm a moron?

This coming from the guy who calls Barber a “short yardage back” and follows it up with, “we can draft someone to do that” (His current role).

The lead draw is not a short yardage play. It is a staple of our gameplan(s), and run at least 10 times a game. He runs it well because of his running style. Watch some replays of the Saints game, and tell me he sucks again.

by tkosmith on Dec 21, 2009 9:43 PM CST up reply actions  

he sucks

he isn’t worth nearly as much as he is getting paid. he’s the third best RB on the team. there are better uses for the money that is spent on him. plain and simple.

by Beasticon on Dec 21, 2009 11:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know you....

but “barber is too slow to be anything but an effective short yardage back” is one of the most ridiculous comments I’ve ever seen.

He’s not Felix Jones, but it’s not like he’s lacks burst out of the backfield.

Barber also has the hands of any of the runningbacks on the team and is the best blocker of the bunch.

I’m not even saying that if you can trade him(which you can’t because no one wants a 30 million dollar runningback) that you don’t do it, but your reasoning isn’t very sound.

Oh and I’m a HUGE Texas fan, and Jordan Shipley isn’t going in the first round. No way, no how, is an older receiver that is coming off of two college injuries going to go in the first round.

I love Ship, but that isn’t happening.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Dec 21, 2009 11:09 PM CST up reply actions  

um

yeah, he does lack burst. he breaks tackles and is a good back, but the point is he is overpaid and there are players who can be signed for much less that do similar things.

by Beasticon on Dec 21, 2009 11:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Wait...

So he breaks tackles and is a good back…. But he sucks?

Pick an opinion and stick to it. I could listen to your argument if you had some cohesion to it… But you tell me he sucks, and then say he’s good?

Who gives a damn if he’s overpaid? Half our freaking team is overpaid, and we’re winning…. So, overpay away Jerruh!

by tkosmith on Dec 22, 2009 12:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Seriously.

It’s not our money and Barber’s just buying baby grands with it. Who cares? If it prevents us from signing somebody, then let’s complain.

I saw a dog today. Have you seen a dog? You probably have. How was school? Was it fun? Did you get a lot of homework? Huh? Do you have any friends? Do you have a best friend? Does he have a big coat, too?

by Aaron Novinger on Dec 22, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions  

he makes too much money for what he is

Jerry can get rid of him with the upcoming league salary cap situation and get someone who can actually help the team ala Julius Peppers, etc. and then a cheaper version of Barber.

by Beasticon on Dec 22, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

So, we just go without a power back?

Is Felix ready to handle starting duties? Is Choice? Maybe and maybe.

If they drafted another back, I can see it. This team still needs a power back and they already have one, so why rid yourself of something without an adequate replacement?

Besides, the cap is going bye-bye, so what he makes next year is irrelevant.

I saw a dog today. Have you seen a dog? You probably have. How was school? Was it fun? Did you get a lot of homework? Huh? Do you have any friends? Do you have a best friend? Does he have a big coat, too?

by Aaron Novinger on Dec 22, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

I think this entire "he's just a power back"...

Really is unfair to Marion Barber. He’s

Is he overpaid? Probably, but he isn’t just a goalline back.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Dec 22, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Compared to the other guys, he is a power back.

I’m not trying to pigeonhole him, just trying to argue that he has a role on this team and it’s larger than some dollar amount that has no affect on this team’s future.

Jerry knows how to manage his money, even if he did sign guys to long-term contracts in the recent past.

I saw a dog today. Have you seen a dog? You probably have. How was school? Was it fun? Did you get a lot of homework? Huh? Do you have any friends? Do you have a best friend? Does he have a big coat, too?

by Aaron Novinger on Dec 22, 2009 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

A-freakin'-men

Jerry knows how to manage his money, even if he did sign guys to long-term contracts in the recent past.

Seriously, has this team ever had problems signing someone they’ve wanted? Not that I can remember. For all his warts, Jerry (& son, Stephen) know how to make the numbers work. I’ve actually read quite a few glowing articles about Stephen and his front office abilities, which makes me more comfortable with the future of the franchise.

by tkosmith on Dec 22, 2009 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh I understand he is a power back...

but he isn’t Lendale White.

He’s still probably the best receiving back on the team. (although Felix had a helluva catch Saturday.)

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Dec 22, 2009 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Ummm

no he doesn’t lack initial burst at the line of scrimmage. He doesn’t have acceleration like some of your speedier backs but he has enough burst to be an effective runningback in the NFL.

He is overpaid, but that wasn’t the point you were making. You were trying to say that all he can be good for is a short yardage back and that’s just not true.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Dec 22, 2009 7:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh and...

calling someone a moron is extremely rude. Grow up.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Dec 22, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions  

If Dallas is going to "rid themselves of MBII" (and I think it is possible) hy in the name of Tom Landry would they not rid themselves of Roy W?

At least MBIII can do his jog, albeit not at the level we expect, but Roy can’t do crap

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by Seanrude on Dec 22, 2009 6:33 AM CST up reply actions  

I could see Shipley going higher too

If Anthony Gonzalez could be a first rounder so could Shipley. But right now most mockers have him as a borderline 2nd/3rd rounder.

by quincyyyyy on Dec 21, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I know he's quick and all cuz I've been watching him, but anybody know what his timed speed is?

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by Aaron Novinger on Dec 21, 2009 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I think

it will also help Shipley’s value that he is a good punt returner.

by Beasticon on Dec 21, 2009 6:31 PM CST up reply actions  

He plays faster than his 40

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Dec 21, 2009 6:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm always weary when people say prospects play faster than their 40

because most college players are significantly slower than NFL starters. That is why there is a combine and all star games.

by quincyyyyy on Dec 21, 2009 8:54 PM CST up reply actions  

when I say that I mean these prospects are going up against

players that are much slower than NFL starters. So it is all relative.

by quincyyyyy on Dec 21, 2009 8:56 PM CST up reply actions  

But...

If you were to only take into account 40s, then you would miss out on a lot of good RBs. Prime example is Felix Jones, he ran a 4.49 at the combine; not slow by any means, but nowhere near the higher class of speedsters Jones has often been compared to in the NFL. He is rarely caught from behind, and often seems like the fastest player on the field (when healthy).
I do agree with you on it all being relative. But you should put just as much stock in whatching them play as the combine. Especially when they face top talent and still seem like the fastest player on the field (like Jones in the SEC).
I know you didn’t necessarily say all these things, not trying to put words in your mouth.

by tyhall on Dec 21, 2009 9:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

yes there are players that play faster than they time and vice versa

but when you are evaluating players you need a reference point.

Anyhow you look at more than just 40 time. I believe Felix had one of the fastest three cone drill times at the combine, which is indicative of quickness over speed. So his combine stats were somewhat indicative of his abilities.

by quincyyyyy on Dec 21, 2009 10:24 PM CST up reply actions  

The NV game will be a good scouting opp for just that

Shipley will be going up against top-flight DB’s like Javier Arenas

by Joon on Dec 22, 2009 5:22 AM CST up reply actions  

The principal difference is pads

How players run in pads is significantly different than how they run in track shoes and the latest aerodynamic sprint clothing.

So when I say a player is faster than his 40 time, it’s because nobody’s 40 time translates purely to the field. Some players show elite speed on the track and on the field, but many do not.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Dec 22, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

but you can get a general idea

it is highly unlikely that someone who runs a 4.4 will play as fast as someone who runs a 4.6

by quincyyyyy on Dec 22, 2009 5:42 PM CST up reply actions  

WR RW is a perfect example

Has he ever played up to his combine times?

I’d say no.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Dec 23, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Ahhh, guess it helps to read.

I think I liked your last one better. Is this draft deep in 3-4 DE and LTs. Ihave my doubts on the availability of VW and I really want to add some size and youth to our lines. I would also like to add some old fashion speed to our passing game.

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by squidlo97 on Dec 21, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions  

no

dont cut roy williams, dont trade our first round pick, come on quincyyyyy

by dw94 on Dec 21, 2009 5:13 PM CST reply actions  

It is realistic if anything

Jerry has shown a willingness over the years to trade back. And with a draft this deep you’ll be getting loads of first round talent in the second round.

In fact, I think Maurkice Pouncey is first round talent. But because of the talent level of this draft I think he’ll drop down to the early second if he were to come out.

And I"m not paying 9 mil a year for my possession receiver to drop balls on 3rd down. If anything all Roy Williams is doing right now is stunting the growth of Ogletree.

by quincyyyyy on Dec 21, 2009 5:40 PM CST up reply actions  

If you look at this past draft, they didn't get much help at key positions and they have big needs at OT and DL

I highly doubt he trades out again, especially if they have a new HC clamoring for a stud rookie LT.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Dec 21, 2009 6:45 PM CST up reply actions  

also if nothing available is good,

we will move back

"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards

by nicholas.rodriguez on Dec 21, 2009 7:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Or...he could be Jacob Rogers

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Dec 22, 2009 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think we cut Roy

But just move him to #3 behind Miles and Crayton. He has some good moments but should not be starting.

by Billito on Dec 21, 2009 6:06 PM CST reply actions  

Crayton has been invisible lately

I do think we need another WR… I really like Mardy Gilyard but w/ our 1st I would rather have an OT or a NT… Ogletree is still a lil young but next year possibly he could be our number 2

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by nicholas.rodriguez on Dec 21, 2009 7:21 PM CST up reply actions  

True....

sad..but true

"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards

by nicholas.rodriguez on Dec 21, 2009 11:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I really like Mardy Gilyard...

He in theory would solve our returner problems and provide a guy with that quickness to get open right off the line. Plus, the better this year goes, the better value Gilyard would become.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Dec 24, 2009 12:59 AM CST up reply actions  

I think Gilyard could be a system guy...

I want to see how he does in drills at Indy/Pro Day.

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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Dec 24, 2009 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed, much too expensive for a #2, let alone a #3

Pay Miles, cut Roy. If you really feel you need another big bodied receiver, target one later in the draft.

Honestly, the only benefit of having Roy at the moment is the fact that he’s a big target in goal line situations. I think MartyB can fill that role just as well.

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by the red scare on Dec 22, 2009 4:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Here's a question

What if Terrance Cody is there when Dallas is up in round 1?

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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Dec 21, 2009 6:47 PM CST reply actions  

365 pound NT

Plays for #1 ranked team on a top-ranked defense.

You’re right, bad fit.

:-)

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Dec 23, 2009 5:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I think he would fit well

but I would really want Dallas to be sure about his dedication and his commitment because I think there are some concerns there about his ability to control his weight and his commitment to football.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Dec 24, 2009 12:55 AM CST up reply actions  

I've seen opponents struggle with his weight too

Kidding aside, your point is a very fair one, but last year, he was a top 5 pick.

Guys with his girth and athleticism are few and far between.

People say he is a bigger version of Wilfork.

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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Dec 24, 2009 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

I have a bad feeling about that guy

Smells like a bust.

If there aren’t any blue chip LT prospects still on the board, I’d be happy to get Dan Williams, Arthur Jones, or Jared Odrick. Someone with talent and a hard worker.

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by APerfectStar on Dec 21, 2009 7:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Dan Williams +100

I;m also scared of Cody… the guy gets pushed around a lil much for me

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by nicholas.rodriguez on Dec 21, 2009 7:19 PM CST up reply actions  

poor lateral mobility

great run stuffer up the middle but won’t make plays anywhere else on the field, and purely a 2 down player. That would be a waste of a first round pick.

by quincyyyyy on Dec 21, 2009 8:49 PM CST up reply actions  

What about Arrelious Benn?

Would you take him and not trade down?

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by 5Blings on Dec 22, 2009 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Late second at the earliest

receivers are risky enough to take in the first round, let alone one who had a down year.

by quincyyyyy on Dec 22, 2009 5:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I think that is a mistake...

This guy is a true talent.

What if Bryan Bulaga is on the board? Would you trade it away?

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by 5Blings on Dec 23, 2009 2:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Thoughts

I don’t know how I feel about moving Ratliff around too much. I would feel more comfortable picking up a prototypical NT later in the draft and use some packages with Ratliff on the outside. Why fix what isn’t broken? Ratliff is a very good NT, and he fits into this particular defense wonderfully. I know that there is a hole at DE, but really, they could use an upgrade at Spears position, and with this particular draft, I expect to see them get that DE in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. I still feel that, depending on the situation, that we NEED to spend a first rounder on either an offensive tackle or a playmaking safety. Hamlin has played decent, and Sesna has been an improvement from Roy L., but if this defense wants to become known as elite, they NEED that leader at the safety positions. The Steelers have Troy, Ravens have Reed, Eagles had Dawkins, Pats had Harrison, time and time again, teams that have successful defenses have that stud safety who can make plays.

I also disagree with the idea of dumping Roy. His contract is too large to dump right now, but i definitely would entertain this idea after this next season. In all likelihood, we are going to have Roy at least another year. I would like to see some depth taken later in the draft though. I don’t see Pat lasting around here much longer, and who knows what we have with Hurd, so they will need help.

As for Flo, I do think they will find a way to dump him this offseason. With Free being forced into a starting position, it would be smart, and you would save more money, to go with Free/Colombo as the starters next year. I do think they still need to look for a future stud at LT, but giving him time to develop being Colombo, at least for another year, is smart.

I also would look at Newmans contract being reworked. I’m sorry, but he has fallen off quite a lot and they need to figure out the future without him.

by Zach22 on Dec 21, 2009 7:31 PM CST reply actions  

Many of Rat's plays behind the LOS have come playing inside on 4-man fronts

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by 5Blings on Dec 22, 2009 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

cody

i think with a second round pick he would be a nice pick. how about switching back to a 4-3 and putting cody and ratliff at d/t and ware and spencer at d/e. spencer did play de at purdue.

by calicowboysfan94 on Dec 21, 2009 9:00 PM CST reply actions  

No switching back

we made the switch less than 10 years ago… why change it now when we are starting to see signs of it blossoming

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by nicholas.rodriguez on Dec 21, 2009 11:09 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

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by 5Blings on Dec 22, 2009 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Uncapped Year Rules may stop us from signing anyone.

I was looking at a few articles on the rules of FA signings and such for this uncapped year. The rule of 8 broken down by Pat Kirwan was especially interesting to me because I had never heard of it before. If the Cowboys can sign FA’s at all is determined by how far they go into this years playoffs. Take a look and share your thoughts.

by Calstar on Dec 21, 2009 9:16 PM CST reply actions  

Hey Quincyyyyyyyyyyyyy

I could be completely off but I would think that Fox and Pouncey would be switched being that Fox has been in the first round on a lot of mock drafts as well as more teams reaching for OTs early

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by nicholas.rodriguez on Dec 21, 2009 11:13 PM CST reply actions  

Also

Are there any other free agents out there that we might get on the cheap like Sensi and when we got Hamlin??

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by nicholas.rodriguez on Dec 21, 2009 11:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I do like Hamlin

I wonder what will happen, Sensi has played well this year, he is a big reason we went from being the worst against TEs to one of the best against them

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by nicholas.rodriguez on Dec 22, 2009 4:18 AM CST up reply actions  

He may just compete straight up with Watkins for all of his duties.

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by Aaron Novinger on Dec 22, 2009 10:09 AM CST up reply actions  

maybe

but once you get past the top 10 the margin of error for mockers becomes very high based on the actual results of the draft.

I put Pouncey higher because he would be the best center in the draft if he were to come out this year, and there are a bunch of tackles rated higher than Fox.

by quincyyyyy on Dec 21, 2009 11:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Centers are a fickle bunch to determine (As far as draft position...)

Look at this last draft with Unger and Mack…. No one had any idea where either of those guys were going. I saw multiple mocks where they were flipped, sometimes going 20 picks apart….

These mock drafts are all based on opinion anyhow…. Half the time picks are made based on what “experts” think teams are looking to draft.
Quincyyyyy, I think you have this pegged fairly well. I just don’t like Pouncey. I don’t trust any player, other than skill position guys, from the Florida system.

by tkosmith on Dec 22, 2009 12:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Love the idea of drafting two big uglies for the O-line with our first two picks

The O-line needs some serious work in the offseason.

Shipley’s good, but man is that guy awfully old for a receiver coming out of college. I suppose for a 3rd or 4th round pick he’d come at a good value, though.

Good stuff, overall. I don’t think we NEED to move Rat back to DE, but the dude’s a freak and could play well anywhere on the D-line. I’m fine either way. Willfork is a hell of a player, and it would make our D-line awfully intimidating.

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by the red scare on Dec 22, 2009 4:16 AM CST reply actions  

I like Shipley for his added PR ability

and so what if he is a lil old, what is he goin to be 23 or 24, if he hits its still at least his first contract that we will get some production from him

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by nicholas.rodriguez on Dec 22, 2009 4:20 AM CST up reply actions  

My concern with Ship isn't his age...

It’s the fact that he’s had two major injuries in college.

I love Ship, and I think 3rd round is probably the right time to take a risk on him, but I wouldn’t be shocked if he fell to the 4th.

He doesn’t have elite size, and while people compare him to Welker, I think he’s actually got more straightline speed and a little less shiftyness than Welker.

People made the comparison to Anthony Gonzalez, which is probably closer. Although I think that Ship has more playmaking ability overall.

His age and injury history will probably drop him out of the first two rounds though IMO.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Dec 22, 2009 7:48 AM CST up reply actions  

I hope so.

He’s not a need pick, but would be a nice complement to the guys we’ve got. If he drops to the 3rd, grab him. We have Ogletree, so they can continue to bring him along while the Shipster adjusts.

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by Aaron Novinger on Dec 22, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Where would Ship play?

Do we see him taking over for Crayton? I could see the Cowboys lining up with Miles on one side, Crayton in the slot and Ogletree maybe as the second receiver depending on how he looks in OTA’s and the preseason. How long is Sam Hurd signed for or is he a RFA? Trading Spears for a 4th round pick is ludicrous. If you can have a DL set up of Igor, run pluggin NT and Ratliff w/ Bowen rotating in on 3rd down and Rat moving to the NT position….the team could be in good shape. Plus I do see the Cowboys drafting another 3-4 DE in the first 3 rounds.

by DatNguyenNguyenScenario on Dec 22, 2009 10:05 AM CST reply actions  

WRs

It’s starting to look as if Garrett has different guys pegged for different formations, instead of a clear cut 1, 2, 3, 4 order.

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by Aaron Novinger on Dec 22, 2009 10:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Alot like how New Orleans is going.

They have packages that have different personal in different packages.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Dec 22, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions  

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