Cowboys Win Over The Saints Changes The Perception
by Dave Halprin on Dec 21, 2009 2:00 AM CST
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The NFL, come December, is a week-by-week league. Those teams still in the playoff hunt, or those already in the playoffs proper but still jockeying for a higher seed, rise and fall on each week's game. Take the Dallas Cowboys and their rousing victory over the previously unblemished Saints. Dallas was a team on a two game losing streak, already being counted out by some, and generally agreed to be teetering on the precipice by all, and now they are the new hot team. Going on the road and beating a Super Bowl favorite like New Orleans, and doing it in a dominant, non-fluke way, means teams and fans see you in whole new light. But, lose next week in Washington and...well...you know what will happen. That's just life in the NFL playoff hunt. For a look at the other end of the spectrum, the Vikings are a team that suddenly looks very vulnerable.
The highlights from Saturday's big win:
- You really can't say enough about the performance of DeMarcus Ware. Going from a moment last week when we were all contemplating the idea of not having him for the rest of the season, to watching him make two huge sacks on Drew Brees, the last one sealing the game, was an incredible testament to his competitive spirit and athletic prowess. Thank goodness he's going to be a Cowboy for a long time.
- Don't look now, but Ware's little buddy at the other end of the line might just be growing up before our eyes. Earlier this season, BTB's-own Aaron noted that Anthony Spencer kept coming close to making big plays, but was just missing. Then, over the last few weeks, he started to make a play or two a game, and on Saturday he was the perfect complement to Ware's pass-rushing attack. No longer content to play the run tough, the kid is now making plays on QBs. If that continues, the defense would be that much better.
- Sorry Nick Folk, but your time has come. Maybe next year we give you a tryout and see where you're at, but we just can't live with the problem any longer. Seriously, a 24-yarder to seal the game and you miss? The Cowboys are already planning to bring in kickers for tryouts this week, and not a moment too soon. We've gone from Folkin'-A to What the Folk?, and that ain't good.
- Welcome back Marion Barber. It seems like ages since the Barbarian punched one across the goal line, and it was. MB3 scored way back in Week 8 against Seattle before racking up two scores on the ground this week, accompanied by some hard running.
- It's quite possible Tony Romo is on his best run of football since becoming the Cowboys starter. Have you noticed the absence of turnovers from the QB position? Romo hasn't thrown an interception in four straight games and hasn't had a multi-interception game since Week 2 against the Giants. The Cowboys may be 1-2 in December this year, but none of that can be laid at #9's feet. His decisions to either run the ball, or take the sack, instead of forcing a turnover has made a huge difference.
- A lot of the glory in the Saints game is going to the Cowboys defensive line and outside linebackers, but let's not leave out the secondary. Besides for a brief spell in the 4th-quarter, they were lights out. There were plenty of plays when Brees had time in the pocket, and normally that would spell disaster for a team facing the Saints array of weapons. But the Cowboys defensive secondary was up to the task and even turned in a turnover with a Mike Jenkins interception.
- Roy Williams needs to quit writing checks that Miles Austin's butt has to cash. Roy's infamous guarantee/non-guarantee of a victory made his drop on a crucial third down all the more galling. Less talking, more catching.
- Jason Garrett called a great game. Usually, if the player's execute, then the perception is that the coordinator called a good game. If the player's don't execute, then the coach called a bad game. But this week, Garret really did seem to be on his game. We saw a variety of plays like toss sweeps, 'smoke' passes to the outside when the situation was advantageous, and a solid mix of run and pass. Sure, it always looks better when it works, but Garrett never got predictable and left the Saints guessing. Last week, the Chargers seemed to know everything we were doing, this week the Saints never seem to get comfortable on defense.
- The Dallas defense was finally able to exorcise their third-down demons on defense. The Saints were 1 of 7 converting on third down. On the other hand, the Cowboys offense converted 8 of 15 third downs.
- No Marty B? No problem. Rookie John Phillips chipped in with three catches for 40 yards.
- Felix Jones didn't break a big one, but did anyone else notice his tough, determined running and ability to drive the pile forward after contact? He also had a good evening returning kickoffs.
- With a loss by the Giants on Monday night, the Cowboys could lock up a playoff birth with a win over the Redskins next week.
- Finally, I don't know exactly why the Cowboys played so well on Saturday, maybe it was the desperation born of seeing their playoffs hopes starting to flicker out. Or maybe it was Tony Dungy saying the Cowboys had no chance earlier in the week. It sure caught Tony Romo's attention as noted in his post-game interview. Just to be safe, please pick against us again this week, Mr. Dungy.
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Did anyone see Spencer
run down that screen pass in the fourth quarter? It was with about 9 minutes left, when they were down 24-10. Spencer was rushing, got a few feet from Brees when Brees released the ball. Spencer immediately took off and about 30 yards later he was instrumental in making the tackle. In addition to looking pretty fast, it showed a lot of heart and smarts to not quit on the play.
Spencer Has Been On Fire Since the Packer Game, At Least
Spencer really ignited about the Packer game; he had great back to back games and his strength and overall physicality are starting to emerge. Not a cooincidence that Ware started looking like the Ware of old as well.
Spencer is really coming into his own...
I think someone on here needs to eat some crow… where you at Carl…lol. I think you said Spencer was more interested in partying than playing football…Spencer needed more game experience. He is now showing why releasing Ellis was the right move.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Exactly
You can see him progressing every game. Finally got the chance this year…. and it was the right move. I expect him to contiue to be a force over the next 2 games and beyond. And now that he’s shed the ‘almost’ label, the skys the limit.
by Road Warrior on Dec 21, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
he takes really good angles, if you watch that play again..
He over ran the runner and tackled him from up field because someone had their hands on the runner…
I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....
by hashishkabob on Dec 21, 2009 12:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yep. He's done that a lot this season.
He’s all hustle and I think his speed for that size is completely overlooked. Outside of BTB of course.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
yeah, that little screen that turned up the right sideline.
Noticed on the replays who dat chasing the back down from behind.
This is Spencer’s third year, right? He’s ready.
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
Yup. And how BCarpenter
jogged his way down?
For every play that guy makes there’s 2 where he just looks soooo slow-especially for the pass-covering LB!
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009
by Realist Larry on Dec 21, 2009 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
good in depth analysis
rewatch that same screen
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009
by Realist Larry on Dec 21, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think so
I noticed him getting burned twice, but the saints TE has been a problem for a few defenses this year and carp for the most part defended him well.
If your talking about the crossing route to #85 big deal...
He is a fast TE…crossing routes are hard to defend as it is…Newman gets beat by them oftem so whats your point…,, for the one he missed he was on his man the other 10 or 15 times. He was excellent in coverage that game…go put some freaking glasses on dude…if your going to roast the guy at least get your facts straight……
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Beautiful game..
I liked Bradie James’ quote after the game about how the Cowboys can’t afford to lose 1 more game, this year I think the rest of the team feels the same way add that with the way they played this year and it gives me hope that our playoff win drought might end
"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards
by nicholas.rodriguez on Dec 21, 2009 2:48 AM CST reply actions
Five reasons to be optimistic about this team's playoff chances:
1. Ware
2. Spencer
3. Jenkins
4. Hamlin
5. Brookings
You win big games with defense, and this defense is starting to show it’s mettle. I’ve got a Terry-sized crush on Romo, but it’s the defense that is really making the difference. As Raf pointed out after Thanksgiving, the team’s December fortunes will ride on our D. And as Grizz says here, Ware stepping up, Spencer HUGE, Jenkins emerging … I think this whole D is looking great. We may have just seen a stellar performance, but I wouldn’t be surprised if their best is still to come.
All this whining about mediocre has it’s merits in the inconsistency … but the potential of this team is undeniable. If we can string together a long winning streak here, I wonder if the pessimists will give Wade his due.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
Recent Drafts Are Being Vindicated
Spencer, Jenkins — even Phillips not to mention Olgetree (free agent). Felix and MBIII are healthy and when either or both are not hobbled the running game seems to click. Choice was in a big block at a key moment. Free is playing well. Jason Williams did OK. These are great signs for a possible successful end to the season and a playoff win.
I wouldn't go that far.
Spencer’s two sacks came off of blown assignments. That was scheme.
He’s really been invisible this year and has hurt us in coverage more than once.
Remember the Giants game.
I would trade Jenkins and Felix for Deshaun Jackson.
They can have Spencer to.
by Sharksbreath on Dec 21, 2009 7:05 AM CST up reply actions
Meant to say I would trade Jenkins and Felix for Deshaun Jackson right now
It’s not like the Eagles would actually make that trade.
Let’s not forget Chris Johnson was on the board when we took Felix and Jenkins.
by Sharksbreath on Dec 21, 2009 7:08 AM CST up reply actions
LOL!!
Jenkins is playing like an All-Pro. No wide receiver in the NFL is worth an All-Pro CB. IMO, Revis, of the Jets, and Jenkins are the league’s best corners, in a time shut-down corners have been scarse. Jeesh, the guys blankets every WR he gets assigned to.
While I agree Dallas could have drafted Jenkins first and then kept their original second 1st rounder and drafted Chris Johnson, the Jenkins pick was a steal. Yes Johnson over Felix … I said that the day of the draft … but being able to defend the pass in this days NFL is worth its weight in gold. Spencer has been very good (and EASILY the best player on the board in Dallas’ spot), and Jenkins has been excellent (not a better player on the board there either). Felix has been good, but even in hindsight, Johnson looks to be the better selection. …. Overall can’t complain too much, only that the reason for Felix over Johnson may have been because Jerry’s Arkansas roots, when I felt and other Cowboys fans felt Johnson was a better compliment to what Dallas had.
by spadesking131313 on Dec 21, 2009 8:09 AM CST up reply actions
Jenkins is simply "untouchable"
Yes, let’s be like the Redskins circa 2004 and trade a great cornerback for an offensive player (and a high draft pick). I wonder why Dan Snyder didn’t contact you when Vinny Cerrato resigned…
ah, the revisionist history rears its head
Jones had a higher draft grade than Jenkins or Chris Johnson. That’s why Dallas drated him where they did.
Tennessee had similar grades, because Jeff Fisher said immediately after taking Johnson that Jones was the guy he wanted. I’m sure he’s happy with what happened now, but let’s not put some Arkansas conspiracies into place. Dallas went off its board, and that’s what it should do, all the time. They made the Seattle trade to move up because Jenkins was the last player they saw with a 1st round grade and they got him.
by Rafael Vela on Dec 21, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
and on the trade Jenkins for Desean Jackson point
Jackson is a fine player, but Miles Austin is outperforming him this year.
Agreed. CBs are hard to find and cost a mint when he hit the market. Look at all the big money deals handed out to good but not great CBs recently, guys not as good as Mike Jenkins.
by Rafael Vela on Dec 21, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
+1 and Jackson fell in the draft because of character problems.
He’s been ok this year, but who knows when that could all change. His college coaches would not give him a thumbs up when NFL scouts ask about him.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
I live in Oakland and got first hand looks at Jackson when he was at Cal.
I didn’t think he was mature enough then and was happy to avoid him that year. I’m eating crow now, but he really came off as a me-first diva WR that had too many red flags. The fact that he’s playing great is very good for him and a boon for the Eagles, but you have players like that in every draft that turn out to defy the conceptions about them on draft day. You can’t live in the past with coulda/woulda/shoulda’s when it comes to the draft. And to go back and say “we should trade THREE contributing players for a WR”?….I don’t get that at all.
You're right
Fans get carried away with trade talk and cutting players. I just read it and laugh. I don’t know anything about Jackson except he has been a very good WR for Philly. The character thing always scares me a bit with players, some grow out of it and some revert back to their old ways. I guess with Jackson it’s a wait and see.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
Jones was rated higher than Johnson on most big boards too.
If you look back and say “should woulda coulda” you’ll always find things you did wrong.
Right now Jenkins is the best CB of the class probably.
I’m sure it’s not like clubs are all hating themselves for not taking Drew Brees higher than the second round a few years ago.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Dec 21, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
What?
Jones was ranked higher than CJ, but every mock I saw had Jenkins gone by the time the Cowboys were on the board, and most of them had Dallas selecting Jones.
by doomsdayreturns on Dec 21, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
Mock boards are not team boards
What did it matter that they took Jones ahead of Jenkins? The teams immediately behind them, Pittsburgh and Tennessee, wanted backs and were open about it. The Cowboys had their choice of Mendhall, Jones and Johnson and knew they would not get Jones if they passed on him.
So long as they dealt with Seattle, they could get their back of choice and Jenkins. That’s what they did.
by Rafael Vela on Dec 21, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
Bill Jones called that one.
He said “look out for Choice”. And they did.
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by Aaron Novinger on Dec 21, 2009 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
Thank you!
Jenkins first ..
Then wait and see who there .. either Felix or Johnson (who I personally liked more than Jones)
Not taking Jenkins is where Dallas errored, if they did. My point on Arkansas is simple, Dallas’ need was CB and they had their shot at the best CB in the draft, but jumped at a position they had a Pro-Bowler at.
If one of the teams directly behind Dallas takes Jenkins, we are all crying today!!!
by spadesking131313 on Dec 21, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
At the time ..
when Dallas took Felix, I thought they lost out on Jenkins .. who I thought was the best player available. Loosing that opportunity at Jenkins would have been a disaster, but luckily the Boys got back up to take him.
Like I said we can’t complain too much because Felix is a good football player, but I thought Johnson’s abiity fit better with what Dallas had. Johnson reminded me of David Meggett coming out, but I love players who carry their schools from nowhere to national recoginition. It is why I really liked Johnson. Preference was to take Jenkins and wait and see who was there with the second pick. .. I still feel Dallas jumped and had Felix higher because of the Arkansas roots. Again, Felix is a good player and can’t complain too much. Plus you never know how Johnson fits in here.
by spadesking131313 on Dec 21, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
Chris Johnson appeared to be a one trick pony
coming into the draft. Tennesse had Jones rated higher. If anyone could predict that he would be this type of player he would have been in the top three.
In hindsight Johnson was the cat’s meow, but I can’t argue with the decision at the time.
Except why spend a first round pick on a RB after you just gave Barber a fat new contract?
+1
Hardest positions to fill are QB, CB and LT, in that order. A smart team that finds a good CB hangs on to him for a long time.
+1
Totally agree! Does anybody remember 2007’s corners? Pacman, Anthony (pulled groin) Henry? I like our current CB’s, including “slash” CB/FS Alan Ball.
If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
However, teaching TNew how to catch would be a good thing. ;-)
Maybe 100 reps/week with the ball machine? After practice of course
When in doubt, empty your magazine
Now that's a brilliant thought!!!
Sure doesn’t seem to make any more sense to have Romo working extra with RW. But with Olgetree, yeah, that’s nice.
Maybe TNew can practice looking back for the ball while keeping a sense about where his receiver is?
Just cause I’m mean – I still want TNew on the ball machine for about 100 reps/week. I know you’re a corner, but catch the ball more than once a season
When in doubt, empty your magazine
You ARE mean 8^)
It may be too late to teach an old dog new tricks, but it would be great to have a TNew that doesn’t squander pick opportunities.
I never voiced it, but during mini/training camp I wondered about isolated QB/WR/CB “pairings”, ostensibly to get Romo and RW comfortable with each other.
I wouldbt trade Jenkins or Jackson..no freaking way,,,
I would trade Felix for Jackson though….Felix is good, but not on the level as Jackson….
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Gotta give him a shot
Felix has been hurt, so we gotta wait to see. But Jackson’s punt return abilities are “Deion-esk” and I don’t think you will ever get that from Jones. Felix “the Cat” has tremendous burt, but to me right now lacks a bit of vision as a RB and as a KR. Time on the field will help here.
by spadesking131313 on Dec 21, 2009 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
Of all your posts, this may be your crowning achievement
in terms of absence of thought or facts. Spencer has been better than Ware for much of the season, and almost as good as Ratliff. He stops the run, he covers well, he makes hustle plays down the field, he’s been pressuring QBs and now he’s collecting sacks against a teams that have given up very few.
And I can safely say that whatever Jerry’s faults are, I am grateful this Christmas season that you have no input into trades or personnel decisions.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
+1 Brazilion
Of all your posts, this may be your crowning achievement
This is classic! I think your signature should read something like: “BTB Quality Control & Bull$hit Detector”
… to take it one step further, this is the crowning achievement of the entire pessimist bandwagon… a post so far removed from actual facts yet firmly believing in it’s own reality.
5Blings is right when he says the Boys have been inconsistent … but this is the only thing the pessimists can hang their hat on … to dream about “if only we drafted that guy…” is silly … and to imply that the guys we have right now can’t take us to the promised land is a very conscious choice to wear mud-in-your-shorts-brown colored glasses.
Crowning achievement, indeed :)
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
Wait a minute
Spencer took advantage of the other team making mistakes? HOW DARE HE! I’ve never heard of that happening before. Trade the hole defense to the Raiders and be done with it. Jesus…
This could quite possibly be the stupidest thing I have ever seen posted on here...
You really want to trade the #1 CB and Felix for another receiver?
Why don’t we just trade Roy and Ware for Chris Johnson while we are at it?
well
Your fantasy football team would be good… but that’s a dumbass decision.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Dec 21, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
I'd argue that it's all of the above
plus Romo and Austin. An ineffective offense can squander good defensive play and vice versa. Austin finally gives Romo a second reliable target, and Romo’s improved balance between improvisation and ball security gives them a chance in any game. The running game is dangerous as well, which helps the team’s balance, although they are not quite at the point of being able to turn the switch on and off.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
I agree with you. Romo played well against the Giants and the Chargers, and he played
great against NO; he hasn’t been the problem (please, please let it continue!). But the defense looked so much tougher again NO than they did the previous two weeks, particularly in the takeaways and sacks departments.
Romo has been playing better than "well"
His December numbers are really good and he’s not turning the ball over. Based on December alone he’s playing as well as anybody and better than almost every QB in the league. He’s done more than his fair share to get this team to the promised land.
by StillHateTheGiants on Dec 21, 2009 9:10 AM CST up reply actions
By biggest concern remains
the o-line. If they play well, this team can win in the playoffs. If they go back to inconsistency or worse, the team is done. I saw several times against NO where Romoo had two WR open, but couldn’t get the space and time to release the ball. They are thiiiis close.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
Yeah...
Flozell is starting to decline. He’s just not athletic enough.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Dec 21, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
I agree
plus Kosier can be overpowered at times, Free misses some pass blocking assignments and Bigg’s brain goes AWOL from time to time. Gurode is pretty good, although not perfect. If they just provide consistent play, I think this team can do the rest.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
For sure...
it’s not all just Flo, there are some problems across.
I honestly wish that they’d start going to more athletic offensive lineman than sizeable.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Dec 21, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
I've been down on Flo at times this year, but I gotta wonder...
why has he been such a savage this year? I haven’t noticed dirty play from him much in previous years. Is he getting fed up with these younguns trying to get around him?
In a way, I kinda like his tenacity. With Colombo out, somebody’s gotta spit on the ground where the Dlinemen place their hands.
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by Aaron Novinger on Dec 21, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
I think he's probably frustrated with himself
and expressing it in a nastier way.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
Rat should teach him his sack-smash move, to help release tension.
He can do it on pancakes and stuff.
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by Aaron Novinger on Dec 21, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
Funny, I had the same thought and was going to post it
Hate the penalties, but this team can use some of that attitude-which Columbo usually brings.
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009
by Realist Larry on Dec 21, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
They don't show the O-Line on the sideline very often...
But is Hudson Houck huddling with them during the D-play to focus them, make minor corrections, etc.?
We’ve all pretty much made comments about the lack of consistency in the O-Line and been down on JG about it. But the O-Line is Hudson’s. Why aren’t we questioning what he’s doing to focus them?
When in doubt, empty your magazine
I thought Hamlin's return made a significant difference.
Couldn’t see for sure since he’s off camera most plays, but the secondary probably did put in its best performance so far.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
It was nice knowing he was back there.
He did blast someone on the sidelines, which was pretty funny.
Plus, it leaves Alan Ball to play his tweener role whenever they need him.
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by Aaron Novinger on Dec 21, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I was concerned about not having enough CB depth
Ball seems to be filling in great when needed. He made a few good plays Saturday.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
Ball is playing better than Scandrick
At this point. Scandrick, for whatever reason, always has great coverage, but never seems to make the play. Ball might not be as good in coverage, but he causes incompletions.
by Alexcomestokill on Dec 21, 2009 1:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think Scandrick is quicker
but he seems to be limiting hiself to avoid making a mistake. I think Newman does the same thing – won’t turn and look for the ball because he fears that he’ll lose track of the WR.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
Ball closed sooooo fast on that one runback NO had, he was awesome
When in doubt, empty your magazine
More Ogletree please!
The catch he made on the sideline was spectacular. Not only did he run the route so good that the DBack was completely fooled, but his double toe tap was something only a handful of receivers can pull off. When the play first occurred in real time I thought there was no way he got his feet down. Replay showed otherwise.
Come on Jason and Wade, this kid has the potential to be the next great receiever on this team. Better than Roy, Patrick and Hurd. Give him a legitimate shot before the season is done. How would you like to be a defensive coordinator and have to account for Miles, Jason and the Tree……pretty tuff stuff…….
One of the Best Receptions on Record
That reception was unbelievable; we need to see more of him no doubt.
I think the fact that they are working him in,
for this set of coaches, is remarkable in itself. He’s going to be a difference maker.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
I have to agree with you.
Wade seems to be so reluctant to play rookies. If it was not for the Roy Williams injury we may have never gotten see Mile Austin break out. If it was not for the combination MB3 and Felix injury last year we would not have seen how good Choice it. I totally agree with your tag line.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!!
Yep
Hopefully his role continues to increase
So I had to establish the rules and regulations of the game...85!
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 21, 2009 5:23 PM CST up reply actions
That was polished.
Dude runs routes well, runs tough after catch, has those tippy toes for staying in bounds.
Free the Ogletree!
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
Ogletree continues to impress.
Got to see more of him as we head toward the playoffs.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
new plays for him
vs. Philly they just threw his the WR screen… I think Garrett mentioned in his postgame interview, or maybe it was Wade in his presser, anyway I heard it somewhere, that they try to throw in a new wrinkle each game, and Ogletree’s expanded role was a part of that this game. since he showed up and performed, I do hope he continues to be increasingly involved.
Based on yesterday and the Philly game
I think they are probably feeling pretty comfortable with him. No one else on the team makes that catch yesterday.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
Sorta like Keyshawn on those tippy-toes, falling out of bounds receptions for the 1st down
When in doubt, empty your magazine
Yeah, he was in an awful lot this game.
Skills…our very own ochocinco!
What I liked about how Garrett used the WRs is that he used diff ones for various formations.
Towards the end of the game, he had just Hurd in their big package. Because he’s a good blocker (the gun show), it made sense and got him some action on offense.
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by Aaron Novinger on Dec 21, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
Not to compare Ogletree to him, but...
that route that Ogletree ran reminded of Terry Glenn. The feint to the post and then the plant and cut to the sideline completely fooled the DB. Very polished indeed. And then the hands and body control that he flashed were very impressive. I know that many think that Kevin getting more reps should be a kick in the ass for Roy, but I think it should be more of a danger to Crayton. I mean, a WR trio of Miles/Roy/Ogletree would give us balance and a diverse skill set. You add that to the reliability of Witten and you have the makings of a passing game that will be tough to get a read on and a crew that could be a “the whole is greater than the sum of its parts” type of group.
He does remond me a little of Glenn
The thing that impresses me the most is that he runs really smooth, smart and precise routes. That’s very unusual for a (1) rookie (2) a UDFA (3) a taller guy.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
I can see that.
A little bigger than Glenn, but polished indeed.
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by Aaron Novinger on Dec 21, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
I agree mostly...
Except RW is supposed to be that possession receiver. Big, strong hands, always makes the catch. And he hasn’t been.
I remember a high-light from Detroit a few years ago of RW doing a leaping one hand snag. Where is that Roy Williams? We need him to show up, and show up NOW!
When in doubt, empty your magazine
At best, he's back on the plane to Denver...
before his ribs took a good shot. Or go all the way back to training camp, was it Scandrick that laid him out? Sensabaugh?
Whenever it started, Roy’s lost that edge… and like Folk, his welcome is wearing thin.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
Man, Roy Williams is so hit or miss
I honestly don’t think he’s a necessity after this season. He’d be a decent #2, but not at 9+ million a year. Miles Austin and Jason Witten are clearly what makes this passing game work. One of either Crayton, Ogletree, or Hurd could easily contribute just as much as Roy at this point. The only real benefit he provides is goal line situations. Even that production can be replaced by a guy like MartyB.
I’ve defended the guy, and it seems like every time I do, he disappoints. It’s getting old. He’s okay, until we need him to be, at which point he becomes a liability. He simply cannot be depended on. I actually agree with Deion at this point: Crayton deserves more than Roy. Hell, Ogletree made that super clutch catch late in the game. SOMEBODY deserves Roy’s job more than Roy does at this point.
Cut Roy, give the big contract to Miles, and roll with Crayton, Ogletree, and Hurd opposite him. Obviously not THIS year, but the next.
Epic Fail since 1985
+1
Big Players make Big Plays in Big Games. Roy is not a playmaker. He is not clutch. I agree we need to cut our losses next year and let him go. No need to throw good money after bad.
I feel the same way
I was fit to be tied when he dropped that 3rd down pass. Perfect pass, perfect play call, a potential game-changer and he drops it. It ranked up there with Folk’s miss.
I suspect we’re going to get treated to increasing doses of THE OGLETREE going forward.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
I also think it has become a mental thing with Roy
Clutch players want the ball at critical time of the game. Irvin is one of the best examples. He elevated his game when all the chips were in. I get the feeling RW has lost a lot of confidence since he has come here. The coaches and team have given him every opportunity to step up but for some reason he just does not seem to have “IT” whatever that is. I hope he proves me wrong this year, but alas I have given up hope he will be anything more than a JAG, just a guy…..
Look at how Roy behaved in Detroit
When Calvin Johnson became the man, Roy pouted, to his OC and the press.
He peeped a little mid-season when Austin started getting the ball more, but the train has passed him by. He can’t really yap much with a team in a playoff hunt.
I’m not a big believer in clutch. Or maybe I think of it differently. Clutch is not doing the extraordinary so much as it is tightening up your execution and eliminating the mistakes. Roy’s bar is pretty low. All he’s asked to do is catch two slants, which were accurate.
I can see a drop. Everybody has one. Michael Irvin dropped an easy one just about every game. But failing to execute the ordinary in key situations, well, that’s certainly anti-clutch.
by Rafael Vela on Dec 21, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
I hate to use the term choke.
Anti-clutch is an nicer description. I think the definition is when the situation has much more at stake, one gets nervous and the adrenalin starts to flow, causing the muscles to act differently. In this situation some people can still perform at their normal lever. Others do not. I have seen this many time on the golf course. Friends of mine can make 3 foot putts all day long until the putt is for $50. Then they become anti-clutch. That is what I think is happening to RW right now.
by thepainster on Dec 21, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
I wish RW well
But more Ogletreee would get me really excited.
by StillHateTheGiants on Dec 21, 2009 7:21 AM CST up reply actions
Same here
I don’t think he’s a bad person, but if they have any chance at all to make the playoffs and then do anything in the playoffs, they all have to contribute when it’s their turn. The Tree seems so far to be unfazed by the magnitude of playing in big games and in big situations.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
Unfortunately, it seems like it takes an injury for the coaches to make a dramatic change to the rotation
Austin couldn’t break the starting line up until RW couldn’t play. He’s played at an all-pro level since then. It’s hard for me to believe he magically got better overnight. Reminds me of Tashard Choice last year. Why can’t a guy just outplay someone else and take his spot? Play the best guys!!!! Free the Ogletree
by StillHateTheGiants on Dec 21, 2009 9:14 AM CST up reply actions
I guess when your job and reputation is on line
it drives you to be more conservative. I understand it, although I don’t like it. I’d like to see a bit more risk taking with rotating some of these younger kids into the mix. I’m glad they are doing it (albeit glacially) with The Ogletree.
The other issue is “losing” Williams forever. He’s been demoted already to number 2. Dropping to 3 would probably make him ineffective for Dallas going forward. I guess you have to really, really be sure that The Tree will be a significant upgrade.
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Man, I'm conservative!
But the way this coaching staff hesitates to make lineup changes is worse than conservative, it’s more like not being able to make the hard decisions.
Jesus, no one likes to demote a guy, but wow, hey, it’s the NFL and it’s only 17 weeks long (regular season). You have to make your decisions fast, with thought, even when those decisions are really hard.
I guess that’s really my one down point on Wade as HC. He is a good guy, he is a fantastic DC, but he doesn’t want to make a hard, fast life changing decision. Being able to do that kind of thing is the separation between being in charge and being a leader.
When in doubt, empty your magazine
Parcells was exactly the same way, though
he’d bring in a dozen over-the-hill vets before he’d even think about playing a rookie. Rookies are high risk because typically their football IQ and poise are waaaay underdeveloped.
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I also thought of Parcells
Not sure you can pin the blame on Wade for offensive personnel decisions. Also, Parcells may not even have been giving Ogletree reps… it’s easy to criticize the decisions on a blog, but to make a decision mid-season to bench a proven veteran your owner just spent a couple large mansions on, in favor of an UDFA… well, not many in the NFL make that decision.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
Totally agree - but I've never been able to stand Parcells anyway
IMO he always played from a position being afraid to lose. I can’t stand that attitude. It enrages me.
This is the ultimate contact sport. Timing, strength, speed, and “want-to” are key, along with the ultimate – playing aggressive! Parcells never played aggressive.
I’ve mentioned the Giants SB win with the offense and defense holding hands on the sideline waiting for the ST to block the Bills FG. That sucked. I’d be embarrassed if I was a Giant or Giant fan. Giants and Parcells did not win that SB, the Bills lost it. Totally different thing.
Saturday night, the Cowboys WON the game. They played aggressive and they beat the Saints in every category. By playing aggressive and smart (finally ;-) )
When in doubt, empty your magazine
The Giants won that Super Bowl by playing ball control offense thereby keeping an extremely potent offense off the field
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
Next year you will
Crayton will be replaced and it will more than likely be Ogletree or a draft pick
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Why do you assume that?
There is no good reason for you to think that honestly.
Crayton made a huge catch for Dallas against the Saints and also had a nice punt return.
I’ve never understood the unwarranted hate on Crayton.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Dec 21, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
+1
And if I’m not mistaken, he’s still the Emergency QB. Who else we gonna get to wear that many hats and do as well as he does with most of them?
When in doubt, empty your magazine
Emergency QB is sort of like
those exits and slides on aircraft. It’s a nice idea on paper, but only a bonehead would count on em being of any use when a brazillion ton hunk of metal is falling out of the sky…
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ROFLMAO - Good one!
But, years ago I remember everybody else hurt or ineligible to come back in and Brian Mitchell took the snaps. I don’t remember the outcome of the game. But it was an eyeopener about the way the NFL regulates the 3rd QB.
If we put him in, then TR & Kitna CAN’T come back in. Crayton at least gives us some options at that point. Maybe he can be replaced in training camp, but he really does a lot of things for the team.
He’s not a superstar and never will be, but unless it’s Fantasy Football, you can’t have a complete superstar team anymore.
When in doubt, empty your magazine
Maybe but
I LOVED the block Crayton laid on Austin’s 32 yard gain. He probably helped him tack on another 15 yards.
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not to mention he pointed the route out to Austin and then
made the perfect block.
I would keep Crayton over Roy, any day.
by I_miss_Switzer on Dec 21, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
he's done.... he is getting demoted next year if he is still on this team...the writing is on the wall
Ogletree is the man, if not it will be another…Crayton hasn’t done anything to think his roster spot is secure next year…
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Did you not see the big catch him made Saturday or the punt returns he's had this year?
I swear you just put your sight on someone and start hating them for no reason.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Dec 21, 2009 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
well
his punt returns were 2 weeks, and im not so sure the coach didn’t have more to do with it than crayton… its not like he juked and jived his way to the endzone, he hit a wide open hole.. but that is what he is supposed to do, so ok
he did have a solid catch, and he has always been consistent… i like crayton, i really do… hes consistent, great hands… just has been near invisible for more than a few games this year
by CowboysFan4Life on Dec 21, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
He had a big punt return
against the Saints, not for a TD but he switched field position.
I’m not saying that Tree might not be better, but Crayton will have a role on this team.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Dec 21, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
Crayton can play a role
RW is a starter . If he can’t start, I don’t see a role for him.
by I_miss_Switzer on Dec 21, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
I don't get the hate towards Crayton
Sure he’s a little slow but on days when the Cowboys are not playing the Giants in the playoffs he’s reliable…
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I don't think it's because of any one reason...
He’s had a few key drops (2007 playoffs and a few others here and there) and tends to run his mouth too much for my tastes (brandon jacobs urination comments, “no one told me I wasn’t starting”, etc.). If it’s between him and #11 on 3rd down though, he still gets my vote.
I would be down with a rotation of Austin, Crayton, and Ogletree.
With some Sam Hurd here and there.
Roy’s game has improved of late with their selective use of him, but he’s really expendable.
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
Agree, but with a slight change...
Austin, Olgetree, Crayton.
I haven’t been shy about how highly I think of Crayton, but he’s 3rd WR, not a 2nd. The Tree could be another breakout WR like Austin – if they put him on the field more often.
RW was injured last year. I understand that. He got his ribs blasted this year. He’s worked his ass off with Tony after practice. But where’s the payoff? He ain’t catching the ones he should be catching.
Again, mentioning Bob Sturm (http://sturminator.blogspot.com/2009/12/football-301-targets-and-sacks-week-15.html). RW has been thrown to 3rd most on the team on 3rd down (Money Down in Bob’s words) and has the lowest reception . 9 of 35 for 35! That sucks for a #1 possession receiver
When in doubt, empty your magazine
BUT
What’s the cap hit if they cut RW?
Or are we all saying screw that because of the contract situation?
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009
by Realist Larry on Dec 21, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
What was the cap hit when JJ cut TO? Sometimes it can be worth it
When in doubt, empty your magazine
I was all in on that one!
Not sure Williams isn’t worth having, if he can live w/not being the star.
Whereas, TO, well, he’s on his own level, and I ranted against him from Day One.
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by Realist Larry on Dec 21, 2009 5:03 PM CST up reply actions
I'm under the impression the cap hit doesn't matter in 2010
since it’ll be uncapped.
Jerry and/or Stephen know how to work a contract. I’ll bet they have a loop hope somewhere where the cap hit won’t be that great if they cut him.
It’s not so much a matter of Roy not being a decent player as much as it is his price tag being a little too high for a #2 receiver, when we have so much talent behind him. Crayton’s still clutch, Hurd’s a big bodied guy who has proven he can get the job done with limited opportunities, and Ogletree’s looking like he’s going to develop into something special.
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by the red scare on Dec 22, 2009 4:23 AM CST up reply actions
I would be completely okay with our top 3 WR's being Austin, Ogletree, and Hurd next year
I honestly think Hurd deserves more PT, because he has made plays when given the opportunity.
I think it
is only fair to note that Miles dropped one too. I think it would have been easier to swallow if Roy had kept his mouth shut. BTW, if you’re pissed at Roy how do you think Saints fans are feeling about Devery Henderson about now? At least Roy’s wasn’t a sure TD.
but is alos only fair to point out that Miles made some huge catches, Roy, not so much
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
It's a fair point
but given what RW is paid to be (the best WR on the team) and the game situation, you want better from him. Austin had his shot at a game-changing catch (the 3rd and 7 he turned in for 32 yards) and made the most of it. Witten has made a HOF worthy career of it. RW has to make that play for his team. Of course I hope he settles down and does that, but it’s killer when he drops the easy passes that really count.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
To be fair
once again, it is not Roy’s fault he is now the highest paid receiver. That fault lies somewhere between T.O. and Jerry Jones. Roy was signed to be a #2 receiver but got put in this position through no fault of his own. Thank God Miles has taken some of the weight off his back. I too want him to play better but I think as far as money is concerned the heat he is gerring is a little over the top for a #2 receiver.
He's called himself a number one
and argued with media guys about that.
Anyway, the pay and labels aside, he was brought onto the team to be a difference maker, however you measure that, and he is not yet living up to that. That’s a problem.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
oh he makes a difference
dropped balls, salary cap dollars and lost draft picks.
He is indeed a difference maker.
by I_miss_Switzer on Dec 21, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
The guy was
kind of stuck with what he could say. You had Austin UDFA, Crayton 7th rounder, Hurd UDFA, Steinbeck (at the time) 4th rounder, Ogletree UDFA, and Roy top ten draft pick making 9 mil per year. What COULD he have said?
Dunk, I’m with you on the drops, that’s on Roy and Roy alone. The money is on Jerry. Roy asked for X amount and Jerry paid it. Also, Roy hasn’t been great but he hasn’t been THAT bad where some are saying to cut him. The guy does have 6 TDs. Witten is still the #1 receiver, and with Miles blossoming, how many balls is Roy going to see? He needs to play better no question but cutting him is a little over the top.
Oh no doubt jevans
I think cutting is over-used by fans. I just want to see more of his touches go elsewhere if he isn’t ready to contribute when the team needs him to. I actually think his talent level is second onlyto Austin.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
Every WR drops passes
But RW drops more and they always seems to be bigger drops. It’s also a lot easier to take the drops when the catches you make actually impact the game (like Austin’s).
by StillHateTheGiants on Dec 21, 2009 7:04 AM CST up reply actions
Haven't seen the game yet (hopefully tonight)
Anybody have a summary of how #57 did?
by StillHateTheGiants on Dec 21, 2009 7:03 AM CST reply actions
he played well
mostly on 1st and 2nd downs to start the game, but he definitely held his own for sure.
In Romo we Trust
That's great news
The snaps he got earlier in the year were all mop up time stuff, great to hear he was solid.
by StillHateTheGiants on Dec 21, 2009 7:23 AM CST up reply actions
Very pleased with (TE) John Phillips
he’s got me wondering if we should have traded Marty for a 2nd round pick
Winning takes talent, to repeat takes character. - John Wooden
The guy made one of the best decisions of the game when he stayed in bounds to keep
the clock running.
I agree
And he moved pretty well, considering he was touted as a “blocking TE”. Phillips strikes me as a Witten-lite – smart, hard-nosed, master of the fundamentals.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
On a couple of Phillips catches,
I actually thought at first that it was Witten.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
Funny
I said the same thing, except I added, “Man, Witten really ran well after that catch!” Oops.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
That kid hasn't really done anything bad all year.
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The other 10% are from TEXAS and they say, 'HOLD MY BEER AND WATCH THIS!!!'
Bennett is still a project
and this year seems to have stalled out for him with the injury.
by I_miss_Switzer on Dec 21, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
Really?
I did not know that. WOW! Is this the same guy who has that MartyBTV on YT? Really?
~Texas Massacre '09~
Or it could be Marty McFly
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by Aaron Novinger on Dec 21, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
I thought of that too, but a 2nd rounder doesn't intrigue me much.
Especially seeing that the Bungles are having a decent year. Maybe if it was a Rams pick or something high.
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by Aaron Novinger on Dec 21, 2009 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
This is what Wade said about his boy, TE Phillips
``He did some good things, especially for a rookie,‘’ Wade Phillips said. ``The game wasn’t too big for him.’’
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Is Hamlin a big difference maker on defense?
Besides the one mistake on the touchdown where we had two guys covering three, it seemed that there were not that many breakdowns on the defense. As the QB of the defense does Hamlin make that much of a difference being in there and can he help get us to the playoffs with wins the next two weeks? I think those key guys make a huge difference, especially in big games like this one.
That was my impression watching the game
the secondary looked like they were in position and reading the plays the same way. The biggeset gains seemed to come off of bad match-ups (aka Brookings on anyone).
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I think so.
And I agree that our ILB’s haven’t been great in coverage. Brooking has an excuse—he’s getting older and isn’t as fast as he used to be. I wonder whether we’ll see Jason Williams get any reps soon? He’s got the athleticism that is missing in our starters.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
Yeah, I don't blame Brooking
he gives it his all. It’s a risk Phillips takes when he leaves Brooking in, and they both know it.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
Also...
The Saints have alot of mismatches on ALOT of teams.
I think they have the deepest WR Corps, outside of maybe Green Bay, in the league.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Dec 21, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
No I don't think so
I didn’t notice he was gone during Alan Ball’s stay at his position.
Just like I don’t notice Marc Colombo’s absence, but the O-line is pretty good so that’s a good way to be unnoticed.
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i noticed alan ball in the secondary more than few times
but not the point he was getting burned all the time… he’s a good backup right now, but hamlin is superior and the qb of the defense
by CowboysFan4Life on Dec 21, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
I think Ball had a nice pass breakup.
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by Aaron Novinger on Dec 21, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
Ball made some plays...
But I think the discussion was about the defensive QB and I think Hamlin is way superior to Ball in that role
When in doubt, empty your magazine
Bobby Carpenter
I am impressed with his pass coverage. There are 2 plays that i can remember when Brees was trying to hit the TE and the RB out of the backfield, and #54 had good coverage on them. They now need to see how he can play on Running Downs as well.
He definitely covers well
and he seemed active on other plays too. I still agree that he has trouble shedding blocks, but he’s otherwise very effective and allows the Cowboys to play like they are in the nickel without actually going nickel. A LB who can cover is a valuable asset.
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I am very critical on carpenter...
but the past few weeks he’s been alot better.
Is he a bust? Yes definitly but if he can do what he’s doing, he’ll have a role in the NFL.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Dec 21, 2009 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
I like Barbie...
This is the 1st year he’s been put at one position and left in it so he can improve as all players do when they play the same position throughout the season.
Parcells started him OLB, then ILB, then back OLB. Wade had him OLB, then ILB, now he’s been nickle ILB for a whole season and we’re seeing that… hey he doesn’t suck.
Sure he can improve and if they leave ILB, he will improve.
When in doubt, empty your magazine
He's OK but a definite upgrade would help the nickel defense
when I have a chance to rewatch a game, so many big plays turn out to be at him.
He’s way too slow for his position.
On one play TE #44 put so much distance between him and Carpenter in about 3 steps it was funny.
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by Realist Larry on Dec 21, 2009 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
Folk has become a complete head case. I feel sorry for the guy, although
it’s easy to be sympathetic since the Cowboys won. Dunno how I’d be feeling if his miss had cost us the game.
I’ve wondered the same thing as SBHans13; did Hamlin’s playcalling on D make a difference?
To me, it looked like Hamlin made a big difference.
We didn’t see Sensabaugh out of position like we saw against the Chargers. They need each other, man!
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by Aaron Novinger on Dec 21, 2009 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
They may have fell into something on Saturday ..
1.) I felt that the pass rush was better because Dallas had fresh legs throughout. Normally Ware plays the entire game and isn’t that effective in the 4th quarter. With his injury though, I saw a bunch of guys stepping up and putting pressure on Brees. Hatcher was doing some good things. Spencer had 2 sacks, should have been 3. Ratliff was Ratliff pushing the pile and demanding the double team. But in the fourth quarter, especially that last drive, WARE looked fresh. Just an idea to take away some snaps in the middle of the game to have a fresh Ware.
2.) The 4 man line was easily Dallas’ best set Saturday. Ware and Spencer look tremendous with their hands down on the ground. With so many of the elite teams and playoff teams being pass heavy, this nickel package with 4 down linemen will play a critical part of how far the Cowboys go.
by spadesking131313 on Dec 21, 2009 9:06 AM CST reply actions
I agree completely with your observations.
Butler did not embarrass himself, and having a fresh Ware at the end of the game was crucial.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
I hope they start thinking this way
it really seemed to work when Dallas most needed pressure.
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Me too
While we’re always slow to give Rookies playing time, once they’ve been forced into action and played wel,l, the coaching staff hasn’t been too pigheaded about giving at least a little more playing time.
by Road Warrior on Dec 21, 2009 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
Ware made some half-joking comments after the game
On the Wrap-Up show with NFL network guys. He basically said that sitting all week (while rehabbing the neck) really allowed his legs to stay fresh for the late quarter(s). He even tossed out a “You hear that, Wade?”.
I’d been a little worried about Ware’s production this season… But in the biggest game he made the plays. Awesome.
Did you hear some nutjob screaming
at the top of his lungs the whole time Ware was talking? To think, we share the road some some of these clowns…
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I can't believe how long that jerkwod kept up his yelling.
It sounded like a car alarm. I saw Marshall get all cheeky towards his direction.
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by Aaron Novinger on Dec 21, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
That was definitely obnoxious.
The fool must operate on about 1% brainpower the way he just kept going and going and going. You could see it was getting on Ware’s nerves too.
If fresh legs is the secret to getting these guys playing at top form then the coaching staff needs to implement it right away. Take what you learn and apply it. We, of all teams, know a defensive rotation can be a deadly weapon. Do it!
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The other 10% are from TEXAS and they say, 'HOLD MY BEER AND WATCH THIS!!!'
Not just Dungy ....
I remember Rod Woodson saying there was “absolutely no way” Dallas would win. I love it when they prove people wrong.
Dungy and Woodson both
simply don’t like Dallas. Their loss. But honestly, most people thought Dallas had no chance. I’m just glad the team had other plans!
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most of the NFL Network analysts are Cowboys haters
except for Coach Maricucci and Tom Waddle.
In Romo we Trust
That is because
Most of them played for teams that the 90’s Cowboys spanked…..
by thepainster on Dec 21, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
Don't forget Marshall Faulk
He looked miserable after the Dallas Win the other night to spoil his homecoming!
by thepainster on Dec 21, 2009 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
Faulk is from NO and was a Saints fan growing up.
If your a Dallas you know most players that didn’t play for the Boys hate them . It’s called jealousy
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
There is no doubt the Cowboys are one the most polarizing teams.
You either love them or hate them. Most people fall into the latter category I am afraid.
by thepainster on Dec 21, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
They can rot for all I care.
But just watch, if (when) we turn this thing around, they’ll all be jumping on. That’s just the way they roll.
by Road Warrior on Dec 21, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, and he has Brees on his fantasy team.
Got him just 12 points.
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by Aaron Novinger on Dec 21, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
He did seem as though he was struggling for words to "praise" the Cowboys
And then, if I’m not mistaken he turned to the Saints losing as though that was the only thing that happened in the game.
F*CK ’EM ALL, Cowboys Forever!!!
When in doubt, empty your magazine
Any got a break down on how the cowboys ran the ball?
were they mostly variations on Draws?
Nice to the see the Boys play up to their level. Now they need to do it a lot, in a row.
If i’m not mistaken, I think the Boys need a 3 game win streak right now for Wade to keep his job. 5 game win streak wins the SB
by AustonianAggie on Dec 21, 2009 10:54 AM CST reply actions
They seemed to run a lot more tosses and sweeps
to Felix on Saturday. I’m assuming to take advantage of the Saints weak OLB’s, but it seemed to work quite well. I’m not sure why they don’t do this more often. I’d also like to see more screens to Felix.
by DoomsdayD75 on Dec 21, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
A few more I would say, not a ton
Still too many “Lead Draws”
But, they didn’t line up in the Shotgun so quickly and give away whether a play was pass or run-that was the difference.
And more runs-look at the stats. They didn’t give up on it so easily.
Isn’t that amazing Jason? Keep it up!
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009
by Realist Larry on Dec 21, 2009 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
14 carries for Felix.
Me happy.
I saw a dog today. Have you seen a dog? You probably have. How was school? Was it fun? Did you get a lot of homework? Huh? Do you have any friends? Do you have a best friend? Does he have a big coat, too?
by Aaron Novinger on Dec 21, 2009 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
Oh
I really was looking forward to what some of the haters would say about this win ….
I made the mistake of leaving my radio on ESPNRadio when I started the car this morning …. and I heard Colin Cowherd talking about how the Saints, Cardnails and Vikings had nothing to play for, and that the wins aren’t as big as they seem to be.
Totally reminded me of why I stopped listening to him …. such crap.
Eh...
But Trent Dilfer did take up for them. Dilfer is pretty high on Dallas.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Dec 21, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
I like Dilfer
not cause he likes Dallas, but he makes points a lot of others dont.
by what_the_crap on Dec 21, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
Yep...
He doesn’t make brutal reactions.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Dec 21, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
I'd def buy Dilfer a beer.
I saw a dog today. Have you seen a dog? You probably have. How was school? Was it fun? Did you get a lot of homework? Huh? Do you have any friends? Do you have a best friend? Does he have a big coat, too?
by Aaron Novinger on Dec 21, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
Dilfer might be one of the worst QB's ever to win a Super Bowl...
But he is my favorite analyst on ESPN.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Dec 21, 2009 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
But, at least it was the Giants he beat!
I saw a dog today. Have you seen a dog? You probably have. How was school? Was it fun? Did you get a lot of homework? Huh? Do you have any friends? Do you have a best friend? Does he have a big coat, too?
by Aaron Novinger on Dec 21, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
He called Romo and Rivers
the two QBs playing the best in the NFL right now. Pretty high praise.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
Please, who can take anything seriously from a mediot with the name Coward.
He’s nothing but your typical BSPN talking head. (BTW, you really need to work on swtiching the station before you get out of your car…. lol)
by Road Warrior on Dec 21, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
no kidding!
Im usually really good at that!
by what_the_crap on Dec 21, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
Did anyone see the interview that Babe had with Jerry
before the game Saturday night. Jerry all but said that JG is the next HC of the Boys.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
I wish BTB could post the interview.
When ask about JG being the HC of the Boys his answer started with absolutely. I don’t have a problem with it. I would rather have JG than a retread coach.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
I have respect for JG
I could stand him as HC.
My only problem is who’s going to be the DC, ‘cause Wade won’t stay? And I really like the Phillips 34 defense
When in doubt, empty your magazine
His next step would be to be the positional coach at LB.
Right now, he’s the asst.
I saw a dog today. Have you seen a dog? You probably have. How was school? Was it fun? Did you get a lot of homework? Huh? Do you have any friends? Do you have a best friend? Does he have a big coat, too?
by Aaron Novinger on Dec 21, 2009 4:16 PM CST up reply actions
His 3-4 looks pretty boring and basic.
Doesn’t have diverse blitz packages like Wade does.
I saw a dog today. Have you seen a dog? You probably have. How was school? Was it fun? Did you get a lot of homework? Huh? Do you have any friends? Do you have a best friend? Does he have a big coat, too?
by Aaron Novinger on Dec 21, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe there is an assistant in Baltimore ready to step up
by I_miss_Switzer on Dec 21, 2009 4:31 PM CST up reply actions
I'm just picking decent 3-4 teams out of my head
by I_miss_Switzer on Dec 21, 2009 9:01 PM CST up reply actions
I haven't seen this kind of excitement since the "triplets' era" ('92-'96)..
We’ve got to keep up this momentum in DC, and crush the ’Skins!
Wharter
Maricucci had a great comment on SUN
with Eisen, Prime Time and the Playmaker, when talking about the ‘good & bad’ Cowboys, ’It’s not a Broadway show.’ Meaning you are not putting on a performance of the same material for an observer, you are playing against other teams actively trying to disrupt your performance.
I know, good teams overcome that and I believe we are trying. Sometimes, it seems our problems are more self-imposed than caused by the other team and that’s what frustrates the faithful so much.
This week’s BFO – NO win becomes largely meaningless if we don’t TCB SUN nite. I do believe we can play with a sense of urgency when we need to. Unfortunately, we’ve failed to do that often enough to cause us to question our ability to do it now.
A ‘winner take all’ finale against the hated Eagles could bring about some badly needed redemption for a whole lot of Dallas Cowboys players, coaches and ‘General Managers’.
Can you rescue a ‘Lost Decade’ with that?
Always be more than you appear and never appear to be more than you are
Congrats to the Boys
I’m a die-hard Saints fan and all that talk about the Saints having nothing to play for is B.S. The Saints and the fans desperately wanted another victory. We have a looooong history of losing, so something like 16-0 means more to us than a winning franchise like Indy or New England. Or Dallas, frankly. We just came out flat, got beat all over the field and then when we tried our patented miracle comeback, Dallas’ defense was too tough to allow it.
Other than your kicker, y’all played great and deserved to win. The Cowboys had energy and aggressiveness on both sides of the ball and we just didn’t. (At least, not until it was too late.) Hopefully, we’ll get to meet y’all again in the playoffs and bring more energy and fire.
Congrats on the win and let’s hope we see y’all back in the Dome in a month or so!
Thanks NOLA
The Saints are a well-respected team, for good reason. they haven’t looked this good since Bobby Hebert! I hop eyou guys draw the Eagles in the 1st round and beat them senseless. Wait, someone already beat you to it. Anyway, good luck.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
Becareful what you wish for ..
but thanks for the guesture. Claas act post .. and good luck the rest of the way .. unless of course its against our Boys.
by spadesking131313 on Dec 21, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
Class Act NOLA1708
I only wish there were more fans out there like you :-D
When in doubt, empty your magazine
Lots of good fans
There’s lots of good Saints fans out there. It’s just that the obnoxious ones spoil it for everybody else. But that’s no different than fans of any other team. Every team has obnoxious fans who talk smack before the game and then rub it in if their team wins or make excuses later if their team loses.
And yeah, of course I thought the Saints would win just like the rest of Saints Nation. But obviously, we weren’t the best team playing on Saturday night. I think that was fairly evident to anyone watching. Even if we had somehow made that last touchdown and won in OT, we STILL wouldn’t have been the better team because we got our asses handed to us for the first three quarters. Like the Washington game. That was a whole lot of luck. We know we didn’t deserve that win.
And frankly, making excuses about refs or injuries is for losers. You suit up with who ever’s ready to go, play harder and smarter than the other team, make less mistakes and you get the ‘W.’
BTW, I won’t mind if DeMarcus Ware takes a vacation or something next time the Cowboys come to New Orleans. I’m not wishing an injury on the man, but maybe just a one-week unexpected hiatus from football because he needs to clean out his swimming pool or shop for a new car or something. Then he can come back after we win. ;-)
I don't think
Nawlins fans have a bad rep at all. Well, maybe that punkin head who screamed the whole time Ware was being interviewed. Other than him, y’all are fine with the rest of the NFL.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
Quincyyyyy
Are you F’n crazy? May be you should re-think that statement. Keep them both. We use two tight end sets, all the time. We absolutely need a third TE.
Marty B is a freak of nature. Once he settles into this offense he will be extremely hard to stop.
by torchindefenses on Dec 21, 2009 12:39 PM CST reply actions
NOLA1708
Although I’m not a fan of other fans on our blog, that was a class act post.
by torchindefenses on Dec 21, 2009 12:43 PM CST reply actions
Talk about changing perception ...
is there really a shot that the Boys grab the #2 seed in the NFC?
Well, with Minnesota losing to Carolina (sidenote – we should have kept that kid named Moore) and @ Chicago and NY Giants remaining on the Vikes schedule, you never know. We all know, Dallas wins out, they are in. We wouldn’t want it any other way … but looking down the stretch run other doors may open for the Cowboys. It happens every year. In years past, we have been the team opening the door. Lets this year be the year we are the team walking through it.
by spadesking131313 on Dec 21, 2009 12:46 PM CST reply actions
I've been thinking about that possibility, too. It's certainly possible. Take care of business
and we should be no less than the #3 seed, I think, unless the Cards can beat us on tiebreakers.
The next two games are going to be very, very tough to win
I know Dallas played very well against the Saints but Washinton has been playing well the past 4, 5 games and almost beat us at Arlington. The Eagles are on fire right now and Dallas has lost the last two meetings with them in December at home. They really only need one win to secure the 6th seed.
by torchindefenses on Dec 21, 2009 1:13 PM CST reply actions
The Skins were playing well, and then last night happened
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
I havn't had a chance to post since the victory.....
first time in a long time that our team was that focused and ready to play with that much intensity. So much riding on this game and to see the entire team (Folk excluded) play as hard as they did, well, let’s just say that I’m so proud of my boys desire to get it done when it counted.
I know it’s been said, but the defensive guys on the sideline showing their support on Romo’s play jacked me up!!!! They are playing hard for one another as a TEAM and showing support for one another.
I could sit here and compliment many areas of the team, but that would take all day. Great, great win!! Loved the gameplan with 4 down linemen most of the game for this game and getting pressure while doing so. That was key.
The team was prepared from the start. It looked as though the D knew the O plays before the ball was snapped. Everyone played hard and smart. They left nothing back. Good things happen when you attack both offensively and defensively for 60 minutes.
Having depth at TE was very important. Having two TE’s that can play isn’t enough with our O.
Romo’s play…… honestly, I’m almost speechless. That guy is playing exactly the way I want him to play. Faking directions with the throw, going thru his reads, making accurate throws and then running when nothing is there. The critics having nothing on this guy right now and it’s eating them up. Love that!
Kudos for the coaches for trusting the “other guys” in the gameplan (Curtis, Olgetree, Butler and Carpenter) and kudos for them to execute when called upon.
Now we just need to find a kicker. Feel sorry for Folk, but he’s not the right guy at this time.
Nice post T Zig
I too like this aspect of the team:
I know it’s been said, but the defensive guys on the sideline showing their support on Romo’s play jacked me up!!!! They are playing hard for one another as a TEAM and showing support for one another.
Haven’t seen that for a while with these guys.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
It's Romo's team now
this is why Owens was dumped
by I_miss_Switzer on Dec 21, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
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