Flozell Adams: Tuck Hit ‘Wasn’t A Dirty Play’ – And The Coaches’ Tape Will Prove It!’
by Mike Fisher on Dec 22, 2009 9:11 AM CST
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PrintBased on his growing reputation, based on the NFL's $50,000 fine, and based on the only publicly-viewed video of the Dec. 6 knockdown of the Giants' Justin Tuck, Cowboys left tackle Flozell Adams is guilty, guilty, guilty.
But Blogging The Boys has learned that another piece of film exists. And according to Adams, his agent Jordan Woy and an NFL source, this film -- "the coaches' tape'' - tells a different story. ... a story that will be the basis of what Adams' camp believes will be a successful appeal to the NFL commissioner's office.
"I'm not a dirty player and it wasn't a dirty play,'' Adams tells Blogging The Boys through his agent. "I was preparing to play defense and to make a defensive play, a football play.''
Adds Woy: "In my years, I've been involved in probably 100 appeals. You probably win five out of 100. But the coaches' tape, which I have seen and intend to send to the league, will mean Flozell has a legitimate chance of winning his appeal.''
What's on that coaches' tape? And is there anything that can not only get Adams his 50,000 bucks back, but also lessen his burgeoning "dirtbag'' rep?
First to the tape, and the words of a source who has viewed it:
"It's (a camera) shot from behind the end zone (at which the Cowboys attempt a half-ending field goal),'' the source says. "You see the Giants player field the kick and start returning it. You see him (Adams) charging up the field as if he's getting in position to have to make a tackle. Also, you see two other Cowboys doing the exact same thing, all three guys trying to knock bodies out of the way. (The Giants returner) is coming up the field ... (The three Cowboys) have no way of knowing he'd stepped out of bounds.''
Adams camp insists that the fact he bashed specifically into Tuck, with whom he conflicted earlier this year when Adams' trip of the pass-rusher resulted in an injury to Tuck, was not the result of Adams targeting a certain player.
Tuck doesn't believe that; he labeled Adams a "dirtbag'' after the Dec. 6 conflict. The media, only aware of what was shown on television, has piled on, of course. And the NFL's official response to Adams suggests that his reputation may have been a factor in the handing down of the $50,000 fine, which apparently came from the league's view of the play via the Fox TV telecast and not any true game film.
"Future infractions of the types you have committed may lead to increased disciplinary action up to and including suspension," is reportedly how the letter the NFL sent to Adams read. And again, that seems a reflection of the fact that Adams has been cited four times this season for unnecessary roughness.
Adams, a 12-year veteran and a five-time Pro Bowler, has long been among the NFL's most penalized players. But before this year, those flags were about more typical offensive-line violations, like false starts and holding. This year, it's been more about alleged "dirtbagging.''
Except, says the Adams camp - which, by the way, could conceivably be viewing the coaches' tape with its own biased eye -- he's innocent of at least this one charge.
While Adams focuses on helping Dallas get to the playoffs, his agent is dealing with the appeal issues.
Woy tells BTB that he considered releasing the coaches' tape to Blogging The Boys, ESPN and the Dallas Morning News but has decided to take a more subtle approach.
"We're not trying to make a fuss out of it, because we understand that so much of the reaction is based on a very narrow TV view,'' said Woy. "But we're confident the NFL will be interested in one more view, and a truer view.''
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Why...
wouldn’t the league office not look at all angles before coming down with a fine?? Thats a bit strange that they wouldn’t want to see all angles anyway
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by UnNessecsary Roughness on Dec 22, 2009 9:18 AM CST reply actions
cause they are judging more based
on his prior actions. Like tripping , only when Flo does it, is now a dirty play by an offensive lineman. Still baffling, but tripping is done alot more than people really talk about in these blogs. Yet if Tuck wasn’t injured during that play, it would be more of a non issue. Heck , lineman have been tripping for a long time.
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wiener call
Jeez; it’s football they’re playing; it’s not like Flo went for his knees
"What we've got here is failure to communicate"
yeah that's just what the real dirty guys like favre do..
in preseason games..
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
I'd rather they be looking ahead
than looking behind.
Whatever.....
Even if he’s the nicest of people, I hope we can finally get rid of him for next season. I hate his drive killing penalties.
they have been spread around more this year
a lot of random false starts and holdings. don’t know the numbers but i’m pretty sure witten is one of the team leaders in penalties. take that for what it’s worth.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
is "team leader" the right way to put that?
team loser sounds better.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
Did you just call Witten a loser???
You just earned yourself a “time out” young man. And don’t let it happen again…
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
Well, if Flozel is right
he still nailed Justin Tuck with a block to the back. But maybe he escapes unneccesary roughness
My response exactly
If that was supposed to be a block it was about as bad as you can get.
But maybe not fine-worthy bad.
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by Realist Larry on Dec 22, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
ummm
it’s not a block in the back if the other team has the ball lol
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
Technically true
what is it? Cuz it looks wrong, and if it happened to our team we’d be screaming too
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by Realist Larry on Dec 22, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
Anyone know any good free agent LT's this off-season?
The Cowboys should be active players. Free is NOT ready to cover Romo’s blindside, and putting a rookie there – even a first rounder – is a tricky proposition.
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Free has looked good
at right tackle and the coaches say he is better at left then right. I am interested to see a real competition next year between Free and Flo. Throw in a couple draft picks and Brewster and maybe we can remake this line next year.
+1
Beat me to it. I say draft Trent Williams in the 1st round or FOX from the U in the 2nd round. The left side needs to be re-made w/o a doubt. Mike Iupati from Idaho should be looked at in the 2nd or 3rd round @ LG.
by DatNguyenNguyenScenario on Dec 22, 2009 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
Good free agent LT's are like free agent QB's - They don't exist.
Every 10 years or so, a Drew Brees will will be sitting there (in Brees’ case, he had laundry list of concerns at the time), and last year Jordan Gross almost became a free agent, but it’s extraordinarily rare.
they're
going to have to look for a guy in the draft, and coach him to be a great LT. They won’t find one in free agency.
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LMAO
Nice one
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by APerfectStar on Dec 22, 2009 7:56 PM CST up reply actions
What was so bad about Butler's game against NO?
Was he getting run on?
by AustonianAggie on Dec 22, 2009 10:56 AM CST reply actions
For what it's worth
Dallas opens -7 at Wash. Vegas cleaned up Saturday night when Dallas covered. The money was heavy on NO.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
I've always liked Flo...
…and could really care less if fans and players of other NFC East teams THINK he’s dirty. Until this year no one ever said he was a dirty player. That trip against Tuck was the first I ever heard of him being “dirty”…and frankly i liked that play. Flo got beat, and instead of letting his unexpecting QB get demolished (on the Dallas side of the field I might add), he decided to try to slow Tuck down with a trip.
It was Tuck who decided to take the fall like an idiot and hurt his shoulder, Flo can’t help it that Tuck didn’t land differently…
I like my blindside protection to do whatever it takes to protect my franchise QB’s blindside, even if it takes a some less-than-legal tactics sometimes.
As for this push, I knew there was more to this story than we saw and frankly who cares what Tuck and the rest of the vaGiants and their fans think?
Conrad Dobler was lauded for the being the dirtiest player in the league many years ago. Why is it now a bad thing?
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good point in that...
which would you rather have: a LT with a reputation as a dirty player? OR a QB with a broken hand after a good defensive lineman makes a good move on a good LT and gets a wide open crack at your QB’s blindside and lays into him, unfortunately falling on his hand and getting hurt? ok then.
by the way, i worded that like that on purpose. It really is unfortunate when a player lands awkwardly and gets hurt, but it doesnt make it a dirty play. just a thought.
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"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
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Who thinks Brandon Jacobs will be suspended for last nights punch?
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I find it funny that giants fans are going to hogs haven to wish them well against us next week.
Man isn’t that rich, giants fan coming over to the rape victim saying sorry we cornholed you but I hope you are able to stop the next guy from doing the same. I think the giants had two very good drives and it just took the fight out the skins, the fell down and could not get back up.
I will say this, if dallas repeats the offensive performance against you guys the 1st time they played then dallas will lose because it will give the skins life. Dallas has to come out and score early to keep from resurrecting the Zombie Skins.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Dec 22, 2009 1:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
Dirty? Just look at what some guys do to a downed player. They stand up while moving
towards the downed players head, with their knees and feet low kicking the guy in the head as many as three times as they get up. Watch. It happens all the time. Flags? Never.
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Raf, I'd like to see your take on Doug Free's play so far.
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The Cowboys need to put Flo out of his misery and release him.
"What the hell is going on out there?" - Vince Lombardi.
As a Giants fan, I know I am going to get railroaded for this, but...
In the replays I’ve seen it looks like everyone is walking except for Adams who barrels into Tuck from behind. If Adams WAS trying to make a play on the ball carrier, why would he plow into someone from behind instead of trying to make a play on the ball carrier? Also, I don’t think Adams is a dirty player, but I DO think he hates Tuck who has beaten him in recent years like a rented mule, so he took a cheap shot on him. The trip in the first game wasn’t dirty he was just trying to protect his quarterback…As a Giants fan, I hate that it caused Tuck to get injured, but I can’t fault him for doing it.
Actually
Tuck has 5 sacks and 8 tackles for a loss against Dallas in his career with 3 of those sacks 5 of those tackles coming last year, so that’s why I think Adams has had it out for Tuck this year.
Dude, you'll get killed for this, not for your previous comment...
You should, in the first place, understand what you’re talking about…
1) Flo goes against the RDE in your team, last year that was Kiwanuka.
2) Tuck plays some LDE and DT.
3) The Giants looked for a mismatch and got a mismatch when they placed Tuck right in front of Cory Procter, who had no business playing, but had to because Kosier went down to IR and the Cowboys suck in OLine depth.
Oh, and about your previous comment, you do know that Flo’s right ear is as useless as Roy “Thong” Williams in one on one coverage with Fitzgerald? He’s half deaf.
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My apologies
I thought Flo was being shuffled because of injuries to Dallas’ O-Line last year…I just remember Tuck being very disruptive last year against Dallas (not so much this year) and figured that was why Adams had it in for Tuck.
I know he’s deaf in his right ear, but that wouldn’t necessarily make him continue long after the play is over…like I said…everyone was walking…that should have been the hint that the play was over and if he DID think it was still going on, why would he not make an attempt at the ball carrier instead of drilling someone in the back.
The only change on our line last year was at LG
Proctor in for Kosier. As a rule the Cowboys dont like to move guys around on the OL as much.
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Christmas day off. He said Jimmy would give them only half the day off.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
lol
i love reading this stuff!! think im addicted to it!!! one question though. why would football players try to punch each other with helmets on???? come on. they are getting beat to death all game. really think a punch gonna do anything? lol. i was like holy crap they punching helmets!! lol. idiots
You know
Lost in all this is the true sign we have made it here at BTB
Woy tells BTB that he considered releasing the coaches’ tape to Blogging The Boys, ESPN and the Dallas Morning News but has decided to take a more subtle approach.
Flo’s agent considers BTB to be in the same league with folks who do this for a living like BSPN & the DMN.
Just awesome in my opinion. Good Job
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I found that impressive too
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by APerfectStar on Dec 22, 2009 8:01 PM CST up reply actions
I think it was dirty
but 50 G dirty? for a push in the back? That same exact thing happens what, 3-5 times every single freakin game among lineman?
its total BS. Eagles, Redskins and Giants players throw punches. Cole threw something close to a suckerpunch. They don’t get suspended and probably won’t get fines near that amount. Brandon Jacobs tries to poke one of our defensive players in the eyes a year or two ago. He didn’t get punished near what flozell did if memory serves me correctly.
Hey guys I am just going to say this..
Flozell has done some pretty damn dirty manuevers out there..and has received a label he is earning on his own, and it is indefensible..He isn’t as bad as Incognito, but he has developed a bad reputation..Now, having said that..I was totally pissed off at Brandon Jacobs last night..I am extremely happy we won and dominated the Skins and kept hope alive, but he should have been ejected from the game last night for being a dirty idiot..If he wants to “box” join the damn WBA, WBC..If Flozell wants to trip and hit players in the back, join the damn WWF..and that Incognito (what a name)..should be suspended..There is absolutely no way to defend these morons..They either play the game right or get lost, there are plenty of kids ready to take their place..Nobody is indispensible.
Is tripping and pushing guys in the back (in a rivalry filled with cheap shots)
as bad as punching other players? or how about the broncos linemen that would always go low?
There are so many players doing so many worse things out there, I’m amazed with the press flo gets.
Jacobs not getting penalized was a disgrace
Only the Giants can have a player punch that many times and hit people and not get penalized.
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That was a mysterious non call
How did they miss that one?
Some crews would’ve ejected both Stompsworth and Jacobs. Another d-bag/instigator was Deangelo Hall. That dude is always involved in fights.
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by APerfectStar on Dec 22, 2009 8:05 PM CST up reply actions
Your right on about Denver..They go for the knees..and I just stated I am pissed off at Jacobs..
Flozell is getting more press attention because of he himself and his agent making news out of it..The league last I heard read the news..
Last night Haynesworth got flagged but Jacobs started it..
He will be getting a large fine I would think when the league reviews what happened..These referees are like the “three-blind-mice”.
As per usual with that crew
but it is inexcusable that ref who was running up to Jacobs just as he threw that haymaker didnt see it.
Is it just me or has the officiating been worse this year then in years past?
Yeah the referees are awful..they are new though..a new generation..and are going thru a learning curve.
There is no excuse for them missing that though..Jacobs clearly was in the wrong and the whole National TV audience saw it.
A learning curve?
They are suppose to be seasoned refs when they come into the NFL. This is a multi billion dollar sport and the refs are still learning how to call games. That sounds crazy, but sadly you’re right.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
There should be no learning curve with that crew
The ref on that crew was also the same one that called the tuck rule game and that was in Jan of 2002 if memory serves.
Well guys they sure don't look very "seasoned" to me..and yes they certainly need to be..
The whole complexion of the game changes when you have inconsistent refereeing across the league..Don’t get me wrong here I don’t mind players mixing it up, hell they do that with each other in practice..but I don’t like any cheap crap in a game..and that is certainly not the only calls they are missing.
The holding and interference calls are the worse.
So inconsistent with those calls.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
i think they've been fairly consistent on that issue...
if it’s the Cowboys, then they’re holding.
if it’s the team playing the Cowboys, then they’re not.
It's not that I'm saying we're due a playoff win, but I didn't have my license to drive when we won our last one...
by bulldog jeeper on Dec 22, 2009 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah Dire your right on..It is unbelievable what they are missing on those kinds of calls..
They in most cases are obvious….Last week we had a line judge run in and call a pass incomplete..The umpire was the only guy to see McNabb had the ball stripped, but since the line judge blew the whistle, we had a live ball laying on the ground..I blame the players for that though…somebody should have picked the damn ball up..that is football 101..They all just stood there looking at it…
Bobbiblue
You’re right!! Jacobs knows he’s a dirty player. Tuck is mad ‘cause he ain’t what he used to be. The Giants knew they had the ‘Skins beat and tried to inflate the score. If anyone should have been thrown out of that game, it should have been Jacobs, Hanesworth, Hall and Boss. Maybe all these non calls of penalties is what the Giants need so they can fluke into the SuperBowl again. The Giants do their fair share of holding, tripping and back-blocking and sucker-punching of their own (Tuck Rule). It’s not just the Cowboys… all teams do it.
I agree they all do what they can get away with..every team does that and then after the
game they form a circle at mid-field and pray together..How ironic is that?..The Giants were not trying to run up the score..They needed this game is all..they gave Philly 45 points..They were not going to let up until they knew they had the game wrapped up..I disagree that Haynesworth, Hall or Boss should have been tossed..Jacobs should have gotten the hook..It was clear he started it and the refs should have yanked him out…But he’ll get fined this week for sure once the league reviews it…I really thought the Skins were going to be tough with all the changes reigning down on them..They are totally in disarray at this point…They looked like a High School team team last night…they should have known that the Giants defense got totally embarrassed last week.
I don't believe in letting off the gas until...
It is nearing the end of the fourth quarter and the other team is out of time-outs..Until then you score points..You can’t start taking a knee in the the third quarter..You keep taking what they give you and you don’t let up..the game is 60 minutes.
I mean let's face it if Witten, Williams, Austin are wide open at the end of the third or beginning of the..
Fourth quarter and Romo didn’t go for it..You’d be calling for his head for not throwing the ball to them..Same with the running game..If Barber or Jones break free and are gone..Do you want them to lay down at the five yard-line?..I say no..I wouldn’t..If the game is in hand at the end then I would take a conservative approach.
Heck yes, especially a hated division rival in a must win game
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by APerfectStar on Dec 22, 2009 8:10 PM CST up reply actions
I agree, especially at the pro level
in college you can sort of make the sportsmanship argument. But in the NFL these guys all get paid well to play. If you don’t like the other team scoring, go ahead and stop them. If you can’t stop them, you have no one to blame but yourself.
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