Question from an Eagles fan
Simple poll.
I wanted to know if you feel the Cowboys would be better if you had Terrell Owens and never traded for Roy Williams. Just wondering how you guys feel about everything after the fact. I mean, I know it's all working out for you as it is right now, but personally, as an Eagles fan, I think your team would be even more intimidating if you had TO still and never wasted the picks on Roy. I know Roy has been better in the second half of this year, so maybe he's coming around. I won't claim to be an expert on your team, you surely follow them more than I do.
Like I said, simple poll, just wanted to know how you felt about it.
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you de crazy man
Thank goodness he’s gone
Like most, I voted for no TO nor RW!
Wish we had those 2 picks back back.
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by Realist Larry on Dec 28, 2009 5:40 PM CST up reply actions
I wish we had that pick as well
we could’ve had Oher who was available at 19.
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
That's a surprise...lol.
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by Aaron Novinger on Dec 28, 2009 6:30 PM CST up reply actions
Hey
at least I’m consistent.
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by aussie_cowboy on Dec 28, 2009 7:27 PM CST up reply actions
The thing I would say is that we were luky it happened the way it did.
We may have gotten rid of Austin and then never found out his real potential….Otherwise we could still being WR purgatory.
Not sure who told you he's been better the second half
he’s been shitty both halves. Obviously the picks would be great to have back. All in all, we are better off (on the field) with TO gone and Roy here. That is mainly because we have been blessed with the emergence of Miles Austin. Without Austin, this season would look pretty bad in the passing numbers. With TO here, there’s no doubt he would have put up numbers probably comparable to Austin’s but we wouldn’t have known what we had in Austin and we would have constant drama week in and week out. It has been truly nice with TO and the drama gone.
Well he has been better the second half
not great, but better than he was.
So I had to establish the rules and regulations of the game...85!
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 28, 2009 5:49 PM CST up reply actions
That is not corect
You can criticise Owens as a bad teammate and disruptive of team chemistry, but he certainly does not suck.
So I had to establish the rules and regulations of the game...85!
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 28, 2009 5:56 PM CST up reply actions
Absolutely
To say TO sucks is just ludicrous. TO wants to win and just does a poor job of communicating that.
nowadays
TO stinks. He isn’t near the player he was two years ago
+1
So I had to establish the rules and regulations of the game...85!
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 28, 2009 6:01 PM CST up reply actions
Really?
I dont see why.
So I had to establish the rules and regulations of the game...85!
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 29, 2009 2:26 AM CST up reply actions
less trouble and similar production
if roy ran his mouth as much as TO did, hed get more balls his way. Thats pretty much the only thing keeping TO afloat in buffalo. The guy has been getting 5 targets a game for much of the year
Well there is a considerable difference between
not being what he was 2 years ago (the best WR in the NFL) and sucking (which he does not).
So I had to establish the rules and regulations of the game...85!
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 28, 2009 6:01 PM CST up reply actions
I don't necessarily think he sucks...
but I don’t think he’s an elite receiver anymore.
I also don’t think that he JUST wants to win.
I think he wants stats and a win, because he doesn’t look ridiculously happy when he gets 30 yds and his team wins.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Dec 28, 2009 7:41 PM CST up reply actions
T.O. sucks
he gets owned on the line of scrimmage. If you get up in his face and jam him at the line you can shut him down.
He’ll make a play every now and then, but not nearly enough to be worth putting him on the field except situationally.
Not true
So I had to establish the rules and regulations of the game...85!
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 28, 2009 6:01 PM CST up reply actions
He doesn't suck...
but he has been getting owned at the line of scrimmage.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Dec 28, 2009 7:32 PM CST up reply actions
aside from one two game stretch
where he got off big plays…the guy has done absolutely nothing this year. He is rarely open. I have a couple friends that are bills fans that have said hes getting no separation and he drops about half of the contested balls his direction.
The guy plays for the Bills.
They don’t exactly have the best QB or O-line in the league.
Jimmy Johnson for GM.
+1
So I had to establish the rules and regulations of the game...85!
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 29, 2009 3:36 AM CST up reply actions
But its the o-line who offer
bad qbs no time so they throw poor balls, which causes drops.
So I had to establish the rules and regulations of the game...85!
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 29, 2009 9:50 AM CST up reply actions
our oline doesn't do our qb many favors either
and our offense is doing pretty well, I see no reason why TO would make us any better.
Our QB is Tony Romo.
And our O-line is pretty good, for damn sure better than Buffalo’s. They are on their 3rd string QB, Brian Brohm. Before that he had Ryan Fitzpatrick and Trent Edwards throwing to him.
Tony Romo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any of those three.
T.O. is 10000x the receiver Roy Williams is. It’s not even up for discussion. I understand why he’s gone, but to say that there’s not a drop-off in production from T.O. to Roy Williams is just stupid.
Jimmy Johnson for GM.
yep
So I had to establish the rules and regulations of the game...85!
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 30, 2009 3:27 AM CST up reply actions
I have a few questions for you yomjoseki
How big a loss is Jamal Jackson?
Where does he rank among your offensive linemen?
What do you think of Max Jean-Gilles?
You know, honestly, our line is full of guys who plug other holes along the line at a moment’s notice. Our smaller guards can all fill in pretty well at center, and our guards can fill in at tackle when needed. I don’t think it’s that huge of a loss, but it definitely kills our depth. We’re already struggling a decent bit with injuries on the line and if we get another, it could be backbreaking.
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Oh, I guess I didn’t really answer all your questions. Ranking him? Well, I’d say he’s tied for 3rd, with Justice. Peters and Herremans really do a hell of a job for us. Plus, just the fact that Herremans can fill in at tackle when someone else is hurt is invaluable. Jackson was considered the leader of the line, though, and that may be more cause for concern than I expected.
MJG makes some mistakes but he has had some very good games and filled in pretty well last year when called upon before he messed up his ankle. I’m glad we have him. We’ve had to use him a good bit and I can’t remember him making any really bonehead plays.
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I voted to keep things the same
because who knows what would’ve happened had we not traded for roy. Maybe Austin is immediately our #1 and he doesn’t excel like he is now.
I’ll give roy another year, but not as a surefire starter. Hes gonna need to earn it in TC.
Wish we would've after seeing that movie bout him.
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by Aaron Novinger on Dec 28, 2009 11:24 PM CST up reply actions
Well that's pretty definitive
Cut TO and keep the picks instead of trading for a mediocre WR.
Could’ve had Harvin, Oher, and a few other nice players.
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by accidental innuendo on Dec 28, 2009 8:07 PM CST up reply actions
meh hes not that amazing…. JJ actually played instead of being injured all the time. Didn’t we get a 2nd rounder also? Who’d we draft again?
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Jackson turns this franchise around faster than any other option at that point.
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by accidental innuendo on Dec 28, 2009 8:20 PM CST up reply actions
Steven Jackson is a beast.
He’s been hurt but he’s had 5 consecutive 1000 yard seasons.
He just is on a crappy team, and it’s not like Julius was injury free.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Dec 28, 2009 8:25 PM CST up reply actions
He said earlier this year that he wouldn't want to leave for another team
Because he wants to be a cornerstone for this franchise’s turnaround, and joining an already winning team would kind of feel like piggybacking onto their success, it wouldn’t be as fulfilling as turning the Rams around.
I seriously hope they can do that while he’s still good, but it seems unlikely, sadly.
Yeah, Harvin wouldve been deadly in this offense as the slot guy.....something were missing now and hope to get next draft
but, who are we kidding..Jerry wouldve traded down the first round pick so far we would’ve had a bunch of late round picks…Hopefully, Jerry breaks the trend and gets a playmaking WR to play the slot and contribute on special teams as a returner…Harvin couldve been that guy…
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Obviously he wasn't worth
What we gave up for him, but compare him to most 2nd string WR’s, his numbers aren’t bad. He might not always be reliable, but he scores touchdowns. Jason witten might be the most reliable player on the team, but he doesn’t score touchdowns.
by Alexcomestokill on Dec 28, 2009 8:47 PM CST via mobile reply actions
we had no chance with that cancer
he is the main reason we didn’t make the playoffs last year and we wouldn’t have made this year if we kept him.
He’s an overrated prima dona selfish jerk.
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+1000
No matter how this year plays out, I am enjoying this team a 100% more with TO gone. I hated him so much last season and he seemed to suck the life out of this team.
Now he is getting his just desserts – on sunday he became the 6th WR in history to record more than 1000 catches and it was barely a blip on Sportscenter. The ultimate punishment for a publicity hound.
I think i he had kept his motuh shu and done hs job he would have had a HOF career but he let his mouth write a check
that his A$$ couldn’t cash.
he had a HOF career
he should absolutely be in the hall of fame.
I argued loudly and often
you couldn’t get rid of TO without knowing how to replace his production. Turns out the production was already on the roster(Miles), but we thought it was elsewhere(RW). We were fortunate, the transformation into a top flite WR, who had trouble staying on the field up to that point, started more from circumstance than design.
Would I have liked the draft picks – sure, but that’s getting pretty greedy. There’s no way we get rid of TO if JJ didn’t believe RW would be productive
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Agreed
Taking hindsight out of the equation, there’s no way JJ lets TO go without having made the trade for RW. I look at the trade this way to keep from going insane. We gave up a 1st for Austin and a 3rd for RW. And that’s what we got, a #1 receiver and a #3 receiver, respectively.
Hey yomjoseki, would you still want Owens on the Eagles?
I mean, if his relationship with McNabb and Co. didn’t go as sour as it did. Just curious.
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by Aaron Novinger on Dec 28, 2009 11:34 PM CST reply actions
Some people suggested they bring him back this year, lol. I wouldn’t want him on my team again, ever, though. I just don’t think he’s worth the negative impact he has. I would feel bad for him wasting away in Buffalo for a year, but then I remember the bullshit he put his teams through in the past and how selfish he is, and I come to my senses and realize he deserves it. I hope he finishes out his career in Oakland.
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Not to mention the fact that we’ve got two receivers and a TE who are having better years than him, when he’s supposed to be the main threat in Buffalo. I couldn’t ask for more from the Eagles on offense, and I hope this unit stays intact for years (and they will).
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I'm in this same dept. as you...
I wouldn’t want him on my team again, ever, though. I just don’t think he’s worth the negative impact he has.
I remember coming home from the Indian casino on my birthday to the Cowboys signing that team destroyer. Worst birthday present ever!
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by Aaron Novinger on Dec 29, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
except our line
I feel like we have had so many injuries on our line.
In life, as in a football game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard.
-Theodore Roosevelt
I said this at the time
and i still think its true after 3 years of having TO – if TO stayed an eagle,and management had paid him (the big issue, moreso than any problems with mcnabb or whatever the media said), they would’ve won a superbowl.
He would never get along with any QB he felt threatened by.
A squabble and team implosion would always be imminent; therefore, no SuperBowl.
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by Aaron Novinger on Dec 29, 2009 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
McNabb....threaten someone?
Living in Philly and listening to all those TO interviews, I got the feeling most of that squabble was more about money than anything else. If TO was paid that offseason, his one bad comment about mcnabb’s play in the superbowl would be quickly forgotten as they continued to light up the league
Cut T.O.
Don’t trade for Williams.
Having Williams is ok; he’s not a liability and he’s all right in the red zone. But he’s certainly not worth what the Cowboys gave up to get him.
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by Aaron Novinger on Dec 29, 2009 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
out
of the 4 … I voted to trade.
But then I thought …. if they kept #20, and got Harvin …. and put him with Austin ….. that would be nice.
Also, this is assuming Austin would still be progressing like he has all year.
If I chose option 4...
just on the merits of you being an Eagles fan worrying about our team, would that be wrong? :)
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Ugh!
I hated turning on the TV a year ago. There was even times I didn’t want to come on here because I didn’t want to hear the soap opera anymore. No matter what happens from here on out, this season has been a million times more enjoyable than last season.
yup...how people forget so quickly...He was a DISTRACTION!!....we wouldnt be where we are if he was still on this team..
He was steadily declining and more trouble than he was worth….How many times did we discuss he couldn’t get seperation anymore. He is no longer a eilte WR in this league…..We are soooo much better without him…
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I think all that is highly overrated.
The best reason is the one that Jerry gave – that with TO on the team, Romo did not have room to grow into the leader we needed him to be.
Definitely picked to get rid of TO...
TO, when in Dallas, was a great player production-wise. Having the benefit of hindsight though, it is pretty clear to me that our team is better off without him though. We have managed to replace him production-wise with Austin (albeit a little later than ideal), and it is clear to me now that with him gone, Romo has blossomed in many ways and gotten even better. I also appreciate not having to deal with the media circus that TO always brings.
As for Roy, I was torn. On the one hand, I have been one of his more staunch defenders on the basis of that I think he has more natural talent than any other receiver on this roster not named Miles Austin (i.e. he is the only WR that could have caught that TD pass against Washington). On the other hand though, he has become extremely frustrating to watch at times as I think he is in his own head and therefore making easy plays look difficult. I eventually decided to go with the last option, partially because I would love to believe that everything is perfect, and also because I do actually believe that Roy can be an extremely solid number two if he could just get over what seems to be a mental block.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Don't think it's a mental block at all....
it’s more of a “losers mentality” learned from all those years in Detroit. That’s hard to change when that’s all you’ve known throughout your career. His attitude needs adjusting. I still can’t get over the fact that he publicly said he didn’t know what his purpose on the team was. Excuse me?
What RW needs is a mentor to show him how to work, like say a Michael Irvin, whom he has already slighted. He seems to not want to show respect to others who have paved the way for him, therefore he should be given no respect for his own inabilities.
"Drew is a winner"....Roger Staubach
To say that we are definitely better off without "idiot' is a vast HUGE understatement
The Cowboys are a TEAM again. And, that’s the whole point. To someone like him, that’s a foreign concept. His kind will never understand it if the entire organization doesn’t revolve around him.
The last year he was here, how many passes did he drop? How many passes did he bobble in his hands before dropping the ball? I can remember him bobbling a pass in the end zone in which he more or less flipped the ball to the db covering him, resulting in a turnover.
TO is an overrated loud mouth. Go ask the fans in Buffalo what they think of their new “elite” receiver.
"Drew is a winner"....Roger Staubach
I was a TO supporter and still will in debates of stats and where he ranks among the greats
but this team is defn better off without him even before miles austin brokeout. Their attitude their swagger their mentality. Gives a chance for guys like TC to become a vocal leader… etc etc point is the cowboys are defn better off now. Hindsight is 2020
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