Cowboys @ Giants: A Chat With Big Blue View
by Dave Halprin on Dec 3, 2009 11:00 PM CST
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I took a few minutes yesterday to chat with Ed Valentine over at SB Nation's Giants blog, Big Blue View. Here's what I found out about the G-Men.
Blogging The Boys: As an outsider, here's what I've seen as problems with the Giants. Let me know if you agree/disagree and why. First, the defensive line is no longer the feared line that the Giants used to dominate opponents in the past.
Big Blue View: I agree wholeheartedly on that. I can give you chapter and verse on this one. Osi Umenyiora is no longer a great player. He is an abysmal run defender, and an occasional force as a pass rusher. He ought be a situational pass rusher at this point. Justin Tuck has been playing with one arm all season (thanks a lot, Flozell, you blankety-blank dirty blankety-blank). The defensive tackles have not been good. Fred Robbins and Rockey Bernard are getting old, Barry Cofield isn't that good and your old friend Chris Canty has had zero impact since he missed most of the season with leg injuries.
BTB: Also, it looks like you guys have the problem the Cowboys had in the past few seasons, safeties who can't cover? True?
BBV: Yep. The loss of Kenny Phillips (an arthritic knee which may end his career) has been devastating. C.C. Brown has been terrible, we call him either 'Bad, Bad' or 'Can't Cover.' Michael Johnson has been adequate at best, and he never was a cover guy. Aaron Rouse is a guy who was cut by the Packers, and he might actually be the best of the bunch. And Aaron Ross, transitioning from corner, just got back after missing the first nine games with a hamstring. So, no, the safeties can't cover. Other than Michael Boley, neither can the linebackers. You could probably complete 50 passes Sunday even if all you do is send Jason Witten out and leave everyone else in to block.
BTB: Believe me, I know that feeling from seasons past. OK, Brandon Jacobs just doesn't look like the same back. Is it the o-line, lingering injury, or is he just having a bad year? And what's the status on Ahmad Bradshaw?
BBV: Ahh, that is the other question. Most of the Giants problems are on defense -- they are still generally scoring enough points. But, where has the vaunted Giants running game gone?
It is a combination of things, I think. I did a post on it the other day -- http://www.bigblueview.com/2009/11/29/1175876/run-giants-run-or-why-cant-the -- and your folks should read it if they really want to know. But, it's like this. The offensive line has definitely not played up to its usual standards. Jacobs appears not be running with quite the same abandon -- and it is my belief that the struggles of the line simply have him in a state of mind where he doesn't trust that the hole will be there. Thirdly, the Giants have been giving up on the run too quickly. The percentage of passes they throw is much higher than last season, particularly in the last six games.
BTB: What's the Eli update? Where do things stand with his foot? Has it affected his performance?
BBV: Another great question. He says he's fine, it doesn't affect him, he can practice, he can make all the throws, yadda, yadda. Bunk! There was a three-game stretch after he initially got hurt where he wasn't good, and he can say what he wants the foot had to be a problem. The last couple of weeks he has thrown the ball well. As for how it will affect him going forward, who knows? Right now, though, Eli is not a problem. If the other areas of the Giants were playing as well as he has most of the time, the Giants would not be in this predicament.
BTB: OK, final query - how confident are you that the Giants can turn the season around, starting with a win on Sunday? Is there hope, or only despair?
BBV: Well, there is hope. Because the math says there is hope, not because the Giants have shown anything on the field that would give hope. Geez, they would have lost six straight if they had not won the overtime coin flip against Atlanta. I know darn well the Falcons would have scored if they got the ball first. So, hope yes. Confidence? Zero. As I have been saying to the folks at BBV, good teams and good organizations -- which the Giants are -- occasionally have down years. We might just have to accept that this will end up as one of them.
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Monday of December should be a good one.
The Knights season may have just ended, but the Cowboys year is just begining!
He's a very good #2 defensive end.
If he’s your best pass rusher your in trouble.
But if you got another guy, someone like Strahan or Tuck (when he’s healthy), that makes Osi very dangerous.
He’s overrated in the sense that people call him one of the top 3 DE’s in the game….when he’s not the best DE on his team.
Teh funny thing is that he’s having an underrated season, cuz people are calling him a POS basically this year.
He’s not. He could very well end up with 8 or 9 sacks this season. Not what you’d expect from him…but that’s respectable.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 3, 2009 11:22 PM CST up reply actions
I've never thought he was a bad player.
He’s a good pass rusher too. He’s just not a complete DE like Strahan was. Still a very good role player and I’ll bet he turns it around next season. It’s real hard to be a great player when the rest of the D-line is playing like crap.
You can do a lot of things in life. You can't stab a teammate with a pair of scissors. - Kevin Smith
Isn't this his first year back from injury?
by AustonianAggie on Dec 4, 2009 9:29 AM CST up reply actions
Yes, but he was average before that
The Winston Justice 6 sack game throw off his stats for that season. He only had 7 sacks outside of that game. He’s had one really good year.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
can you really say that?
that one game earned Osi all the accolades he earned that year.
What if he “only” had 3 sacks in that game?
He’s had more than one good year too.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 4, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
well 6 sacks in one game against a rookie LT who's
now battling to be a RT does skew statistics and the ESPN hype reel
by AustonianAggie on Dec 4, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
It does no doubt...
it damn near ended Winston’s career.
But I’m not sure if I said it on here, but Osi’s always been a vulture sack type.
He gets his own pressure, but if the other DE on the others side or especially the DT’s aren’t doing anything, Osi’s ineffective.
Osi will get others sacks too.
He’s just not gonna consistently and beat his man like Strahan, or Demarcus Ware or even Justin Tuck did when he was healthy.
That’s not Osi’s game.
Now is that calling him overrated? Yea.
BUt if you think that what he does is not something that’s needed on a team, that’s wrong too.
Osi is not the problem with the defensive line. Not in the least bit. He’s been the best player on it actually.
the DT’s have sucked. Tuck is hurt, so I guess he has an excuse, but he’s also not doing anything, not since one or 2 series against SD has he done anything significant (thanks Flozell….)
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 4, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
No one has ever called Osi Umenyora one of the top 3 DEs in the game
Seriously. No one. Ever. Not even one person. Just wanted to make sure that was clear. He’s barely a top 3 DE on his own team (I’ve got Tuck and Kiwanuka ahead of him).
As was said in the post above, he is an average pass rusher who does not play the run well at all. To me, that is not the description an every down cornerstone player.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Kiwanuka?
You mean he’s still on the Giants? Could’ve fooled me and I’ve watched every second of every Giants game.
Yea, Osi sure was called that, even called the best in the game at one point, or at least “best young one” after the 71 tackle, 14.5 sack year.
He’s overrated yes…but he’s still an effective pass rusher, who has had 2 major leg injuries in his career.
he’s also leading the Giants in sacks believe it or not….
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 4, 2009 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
I must've missed those reports...
…that had Osi rated above Dwight Freeney, Shawne Merriman, Julius Peppers, Terrell Suggs, Jared Allen, and Demarcus Ware following a single 14.5 sack season. My mistake.
And he’s leading the Giants in sacks with FIVE.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Demarcus and Merriman...
were rooks geting their feet wet..so they weren’t better then. Allen had a good, 11 sack year, but wasn’t at Osi’s level at the time
Suggs tailed off that year after 2 good years to start off…plus like Ware and Merriman, is a OLB in a 3-4, so that’s different.
Freeney is and was better…so that’s why I said he was one of the best DE’s in the game..and carries that reputation still for some reason.
….so yea, you must have missed all that.
I’m not talking about 2009, I’m talking about the stat of Osi’s career. He got a reputation and it sticks with him….tho while he hasn’t necessary declined…he’s just not one of the best DE’s in the game like his reputation says.
"It ain't over till its over"---
Okay, I'm going to take one more run at it
From Football Outsiders’ game charters who watch every snap of NYG football this year:
“Justin Tuck has played well and draws double teams. Osi Umenyiora has not played well. Right now, he is strictly an outside speed rusher. Teams constantly attack him in the run game and he often loses. He gives up inside lanes in against draws, gives up the edge on off tackle plays and has been manhandled at the point of attack. Mathias Kiwanuka has played pretty well in the pass rush packages, getting quick pressure off the edge.”
It sounds like this isn’t hugely surprising, because almost everyone agrees that Osi this year has not been a good every-down player.
On the topic of him at one point being a “top 3 DE,” though, we disagree. First, I would argue that Merriman and Ware can be in the same conversation, because they are paid like DEs and the majority of their on-field responsibility is edge pass-rushing and run stopping, like Osi’s. Suggs DEFINITELY counts because he plays like a traditional DE well over 60% of the time in the Ravens’ 4-3/3-4 hybrid defense.
Osi’s career sack totals, season by season:
2003: 1
2004: 7
2005: 14.5
2006: 6
2007: 13 (6 against Winston Justice)
2009: 5 (so far)
That is, at most, ONE elite season. In 2005 he was 2nd in the league in sacks behind Derrick Burgess. I’d say other double-digit sack guys like Strahan, Jared Allen, Jason Taylor, Burgess, John Abraham, Dwight Freeney, and a few others were all significantly ahead of Umenyiora in the DE rankings, even at that point in his career. And I would argue that 99% of GMs would have taken Ware (8 sacks), Merriman (10), Suggs, and other young guns ahead of Osi as well.
If there were those who trumpeted him as one of the “best DEs in the game” at one point, I think those reports were either flat-out wrong or at least wildly premature, given he had ONE season of high-level performance to base it on.
Umenyiora is a slightly above-average player who had one good season and who has benefited from being surrounded by one of the best front 7’s and defensive coaching staffs in football. Now, in only his 7th season, he seems to be firmly on the downside of his career and headed for use as a situational player only.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
I doubt that teams would take
Merriman, Suggs and even at the time Ware ahead of Osi, at that time.
Here in NY, John Abraham was not on Osi’s level cuz he was never as good against the run.
Osi was in his third year, in his second year starting ,and a 4-3 DE (who also had 71 tackles)
Also, that 2006 season, he had 5 sacks in 5 1/2 games before getting hurt.
And he sure was a good every down player, he was one of the better speed rushing DE’s who also played the run.
Again, I’m saying at that time. He was one of the better DE’s in the game.
Football outsiders is basically saying what I’m saying about Osi right now. He hasn’t been good as an every down player. He still gets pressure but does nothing when he’s the only one getting pressure. He doesn’t disengage from the block and its pretty easy for QB’s to get away from him as he goes for the swat instead of the QB.
Kiwi has not done squat cuz he’s been playing more DT on 3rd downs, because Tuck is hurt and not able to play the DT he usually did on third downs.
He’s had a few big injuries, from that shortened 2006 season and also last year. They’ve obviously hurt his power.
And Osi, in that 14.5 sack year…was basically with Strahan, and no one else(which is why I keep saying…he’s good when there’s someone else on the other side).
He was a top 10 DE in the game, maybe higher. Was.
"It ain't over till its over"---
Alright. I don’t really feel that he was a top 10 DE at any point in his career, but I’ve always thought he was a bit overrated and I concede that certainly there were a lot of media types out there who would’ve put him in that category.
It sounds like we agree on what he is now, though, which is probably the more relevant topic. Giants will likely need another rusher to compliment Tuck when he gets healthy again, because Osi isn’t going to be that guy on an every down basis.
I’m disappointed in how they’ve used Kiwi, although not as a Cowboys fan— I’m friends with his roommate and have met him a few times and he’s a good dude. Having him play 3 different positions in his limited career so far can’t be great for his development.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
I agree on Kiwi
I would’ve thought he would break out this year…but its not entirely his fault.
Its actually gotten to the point where he’s on the milk carton….
….and the milk carton may even have gone MIA.
I sure as hell hope he turns it around cuz we could really use him.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 4, 2009 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
As if on cue...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4714632
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Blow the Giants off at your own risk.
To think that the Giants are any thing other than a dangerous divisional foe is sure folly. The Cowboys need this one just as bad as the Giants do, probably worse. Philly has a tendency to finish strong, and we need to stay ahead to make the final game meaningless for them as we stomp them into a mud hole.
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
Amen. I think the team knows this though, which gives me hope.
The Giants and some of their fans seem to be wavering on writing the season off. The reality is, if they win Sunday, their season reignites. I think they’re trying to lull us in to a false sense of security!
I think these divisional games are usually unpredictable
based on whatever expectations you would otherwise have from records, rankings, etc.
having said that, I have a pretty good feeling about this one. there are just so many factors going in our direction. even going back to the first meeting, only a bunch of turnovers gave them a chance to win at the end, and they were playing a lot better than they are now, while we’re playing a lot better now than we were then. they are seriously injured, we are almost completely healthy. about the only thing in their favor is the home field, but I just don’t think that’s going to be enough. I don’t think we’ll totally blow them out, but I think we’ll handle them fairly convincingly this time around.
Throw the records out in these games.
The Giants are desperate and need a win. We’ve faced teams in this situation before and it hasn’t been pretty. I expect a slugfest no matter how beat up or bad the Giants are.
You can do a lot of things in life. You can't stab a teammate with a pair of scissors. - Kevin Smith
I agree on divisional games...
…but we have owned the Giants in the Romo Era. They are the divisional opponent which we beat with the most regularity and by the biggest margin. I understand that our most recent memory contradicts that (Week 2 this year), but take even a slightly longer term view and we own them.
Considering that this is perhaps the worst Giants team we have played in the last 3 years, I think we have every reason to be cautiously confident going into Sunday.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Yeah, I don;t think the team is overlooking the Giants at all
They are struggling as all teams do with injuries, etc but no one doubts they can win.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
agreed
You see what happened in Green Bay when they rode a little too high on the horse. They have to go into the game pissed off and intense, and continue throughout the game that way. I think someone should remind the cowboys team what eli wrote on the visiting teams lockerroom wall
by mutombo4life on Dec 4, 2009 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
Hey...they are STILL the Giants.....the ones that came in OUR house and kicked OUR ass in 2007
The Cowboys can NOT let their guard down. This team needs to go into Giants stadium and blow them off the fleld. If the Cowboys want to be considered a playoff team, they HAVE to take the ball and shove it down the G’s throat and keep doing it until the clock shows 00:00. It doesn’t matter if the Giants are fading, if they weren’t, the Cowboys would STILL need to kick ass and take names simply because it’s a divisional foe and has MAJOR implications for the playoffs and possible home field advantage.
Don’t you think the G’s would do the same thing if they had the chance and were healthy?
hell ya!
beat them, then break them. mabey then some of these sportswriters will shut up about december
by mutombo4life on Dec 4, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
With Brad Johnson and Cory Procter in the starting lineup...
remind me again – what happened when we put a real QB on the field at Giants stadium that year? Oh that’s right we BEAT them.
I started to have a bad feeling about this one
Then I realized just how far the Giants have fallen. They looked awful against Denver, which Mr. BBV didn’t even seem to acknowledge.
The potential for Dallas to overlook a lesser opponent would have me a bit nervous, but it’s the Giants. A LOT of bad blood. Even if NY was 0-11 coming into this game, I think Dallas would give it everything they’ve got.
Should be an easy one, just as long as the Cowboys go in with the intention of humiliating the one team they hate above all others.
Epic Fail since 1985
+1
There is no chance the Cowboys are taking this game lighter than normal because the Midgets are collapsing. In fact, reading the media reports about the bad blood that has been simmering since the 1st game, I expect both teams to come out and try to knock the blank out of each other. Not to mention how critical it is for both teams to win.
You can't stop Patrick Crayton, you can only hope to contain him.
by APerfectStar on Dec 4, 2009 12:29 AM CST up reply actions
They're plenty scary, they'll be gunning for the Cowboys, as always, and they'll
be in their house. Here’s hoping the Cowboys are serious and ready.
Back in October. . .
I took at shot at predicting each and every remaining Boys game, win or loss.
I’ve been 100 percent so far. . .and I predicted Dallas would lose this game.
If there’s one prediction I could take back, it’d be this one. If I had a do-over, I’d pick the Cowboys to win. But I don’t. Regardless — as I’ve always said — the only thing I REALLY care about is the Cowboys. So I’m rooting for myself to be wrong.
We win by 4 or 5, but it will be brutal.
BTW I just checked it out. If we go on a three game slide like you predicted, then the wheels will come off this thing
No offense but I think your prediction for december is way off.
You trying to become the Nostradamus of football?
If you end up being a 100% right, then I need to meet you in Vegas baby. Otherwise, a prediction is just someone’s opinion of the future.
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
No Way!
If he was trying to be the Nostradamus of Football, then his predictions would be more like…
“A great bird captures prey with talons, only to lose it from beak”
Then everyone would be “Dude! I know this guy who predicted that McNabb would blow chunks!”
Let's put it this way. . .
My predictions were mentioned above.
And I hope I’m wrong.
Which means we won’t need to meet. ;)
Deal?
All predictions of losses for the Cowboys you make that are wrong will be forgiven.
Predictions of wins that turn out to be losses are a different story.
KICK ASS every day!!!
Impressive...
…except you say you started in October, where I would say our most predictable slate of games started. If you predicted the Denver outcome or the results of the first 2-3 games correctly, then that would be impressive.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Thanks, Tim
Yep, started in October. Thread posted above. But just curious. . .when did you predict anything or take a stand?
You called me impressive (twice, in fact, and quite the contradiction there!), but I guess I’m not very impressive after all.
But thanks!
Haha
Don’t do predictions personally, I guess I don’t see it as analogous to “taking a stand.”
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
I meant. . .
“but I don’t have a do-over.”
I’m a little bit of a writing and grammar freak, sorry. Wish I could live up to it.
The Giants...
Neither of their lines scare anyone anymore. If their D-line was even near it’s former level I’d be really worried about this game. But, basically I think our O-line is good enough to stifle their D-Line..and I think our Defense front seven will absolutely dominate the giants line.
Also, Romo has been playing well and considering Giants are weak against the run I think this should be a good game for some big play action plays to break the Giants open and ruin their season.
This is certainly a game the Cowboys could lose..but I still see this as their game to win.
Let me say this.
I’ve been concerned about the way the fans have put this one in the books before the game is played. That’s always a bad sign when we do that.
As time has passed I’ve been encouraged by reports coming out of NY. (Thanks Dave!) And to those reports I say this: Now is the time to be DOUBLY intense. We need to march in their and kick their butts so bad it hurts. This one has been a long time coming, and I want to see some COWBOY FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!!!
This team has made some real progress the last two months. It’s time to take the next step and become the great team they have been hinting they can be. The defense should be ready to totally gel, and the offense should have learned enough about what other teams are going to do to us, to find the right plays to defeat it.
Lastly, enough with the penalties. Clean it up. NO MORE DRIVE KILLERS!!!
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"
you're right, but
I don’t think anyone has put this in the books at all. You can’t with any game in the NFL. Particularly a division game.
Well I am putting this one on the record.
Dallas 110 1/2, NY -123
Take that to the bank.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
I'll say this much
If the Cowboys don’t beat the Giants, I can’t imagine them beating the Chargers and Saints who clearly are much better teams.
This game will either give us a lot of confidence heading into that brutal 2 game stretch, or it might send us into another December meltdown, should be exciting and fun to watch.
In Romo we Trust
Just saw a stat on NFL Network
Since 1997, the worst December records in the NFL are:
Cleveland
Detroit
Dallas
Oakland
It really hit home when I saw that stat. To be included in that group of teams is humiliating. I certainly hope the players and coaches are poised to put an end to this madness. It goes beyond poor coaching and poor execution to be included in such an outrageous class.
You can say well, there’s so many factors, such as the NFL always scheduling a brutal December for the Cowboys, and I understand they want great matchups in December, but recently we’ve lost to the likes of inept Rams and Lions teams in December. There is absolutely no excuse for this type of annual meltdown. It has to end here.
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"
you have to understand
the Cowboys were pretty awful until about the middle of this decade so you can say we had bad Sept, Oct and Nov records as well during that time frame not just bad Decembers.
In Romo we Trust
You gotta admit
That’s pretty bad. Its the worst stat I’ve EVER seen.
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"
The Cowboys hired Parcells in January of 2003
We haven’t had a losing record since then, so of the 12 years in question, the Pokes had winning records in 6 of them. That, IMO, makes it even worse.
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"
Yup, you're right.
6-10. I don’t want to be a killjoy here. I just kind of lost it a little when I saw that stat. I don’t ever want to be included in a category with those 3 teams. I believe this is the year they turn it around. The Cowboys have had enough of it, and they are doing things this year that they haven’t done in a long time. This season has been the best coaching job we’ve had in some time, and also the players seem more dedicated than ever, not to mention that longtime players who have cost us dearly in the past are gone, and replaced by players that have responded.
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"
why are you surprised by this?
’97 was the year the team quit on Barry and they lost everything.
For the next six years they were bottoming out and starting the slow process of improving. Teams that are okay but have holes run out of steam late in the season.
We’ve been saying it here as long as the site has been around. The holes at safety and on the offensive line have blown up in December. Even when this team has had successful years, it has done poorly because it hasn’t been deep enough.
It’s not magic. It’s a matter of talent, or targeted lack of it.
Has Dallas patched its holes? It’s down to the vets on the o-line, Sensabaugh and Hamlin. If those guys perform, this team is better than the other teams and can reach the playoffs and do something there. If they wear down or break down, this team is back in the soup.
It’s as simple as that.
Be honest, Raf. Were you aware they were THAT bad in December? I sure wasn't.
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"
yeah, I was
I’ve been writing about this team on and off since ’95.
the people who throw up these stats are trying to push a false causal relationship
They want us to believe Dallas loses because its December.
And the people who riff of this, like Marcellus Wiley, want to offer some hocus-pocus ideas, like blaming the strength coach.
Players win and lose games. Go back to the story I put up on Sunday. The o-line in ’05 had Torrin Tucker, Rob Petitti, Marco Rivera, Al Johnson and what was left of Larry Allen on it. Is that a Super Bowl caliber line?
In ’06 they had one healthy — and quality — secondary player. You gonna make a playoff run with Terence Newman and three placeholders?
When this team has the players, it will get the job done. It hasn’t had them in a while. It has had good units, and good players, but not a good overall team.
Thanks Raf.
And it is clear that they finally filled some holes that have been Black Holes for many years. Anthony Henry, Roy Williams, & ILB, not to mention overall health. On offense, the running game, and a healthy O-line is making the difference. We have locker cohesion, and the coaches are doing wonderful things. Romo is playing more within himself than he has in the past, and the emergence of Miles Austin is huge. We have a chance at a decent December, and I knew that before I started posting this morning. I just felt so dirty all over when I saw that stat.
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"
Didn't Raf just post the other day that the Giants' December record is basically the same as ours in the last 3 years?
Why on Earth would be looking at records going all the way back to 1997? Is Chan Gailey suddenly coaching us again? Are we lining up Ken-Yon Rambo at WR? How is this relevant to the current team???
I imagine if you change the arbitrary timeline to “since 1991,” we suddenly fare much better.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Okay.
Guess I don’t have anymore comments about December.
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"
It's disingenuous for them to go back that far for that stat.
Any of those stats should only go as far back as the basic makeup of this team, which I would suggest to be 2006 or so. They only went back that far so as not to have to include the NEW YORK GIANTS in that stat.
Why on earth would Tony Romo accept that interview with Irvin
I saw the preview yesterday and it is a heavy dose of Terrell Owens stuff…..“we don’t point fingers this year”, “we’re all playing for each other”….blah blah blah crap. I think he’s adding more fire to the controversy that will only come back to hunt him. Just talk about the upcoming game with the Giants and don’t even bother answering all the rest of the crap….He should know better.
I disagree
He was asked what is different about this years team so he answered it honestly, absolutely nothing wrong with that.
There was finger pointing last season by a few cancerous individuals and now that we got rid of that trash, we’re much better off and now have a legitimate shot of finishing strong.
Romo is always really smart with respect to what he says in interviews and this one was no different. He never mentioned any individual by name.
In Romo we Trust
+1 Screw honesty in media baiting interviews.
You think Belecheat, Manning, BP, ect… follow that principle. That “go with honesty crap” is currently going on in Pittsburgh right now and I dont think its gonna help them.
Pull out the Brady, Belecheat, Manning handbook of talking alot but saying nothing.
I would have said I thank TO for all he has done helping me get established in this league. I wish him nothing but success but I want to talk about this team, not last years.
KICK ASS every day!!!
+1..........
yeah, because now we’ll get to hear all the T.O. crap again. Like you said Squid, why not say thank you to TO for helping you out. (not a TO supporter but he did in actuality btw.).
I agree with the screw TO.
Truthfully Romo helped TO earn a few more millions himself. It was a relationship where both helped the other. My point was not to compliment TO for the sake of TO but rather for the sake of the team. Diffuse the B.S. and move back to the team focus. TO should never be mentioned. He is the past. When someone does bring him up, make a close ended responds and move on. Come on, this is media relations 101.
KICK ASS every day!!!
the past is the past......
you are correct in that and I prefer to leave it that way. However, for some to not ever give TO any credit for Romo’s first season is flat out wrong. Terry, do you actually think that Romo would have been made out to be this super human QB if it weren’t for TO for 2006 and 2007. I don’t want to go down re-hashing all of that, but for you to say that is totally wrong. If you were to be totally honest, Romo wouldn’t have had all the eye-popping statistics that he had plus a Pro-Bowl if it weren’t for TO. Now, on the flip side, TO owes a lot to Romo because he got him the ball. Let’s not start another T.O. argument, but to not acknowledge him is totally wrong. Romo just needs to keep his mouth shut and play football and not stir up any of the past.
Romo never mentioned T.O. or anyone else for that matter
The media and fans are making the implication that he was referring to T.O., however, he could have just as easily been talking about Tank or Pacrat.
In Romo we Trust
I didn't hear the interview......
but you know that Deion and company will try to make something out of it. Just the way he rolls
Deion gets on my nerves.
I don’t like watching him.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
I think its Irvin doing the interview. Thats who I saw but was grilling steaks and didnt get back in time.
KICK ASS every day!!!
Good, but I'm sure Deion
will put in his 2 cents. Grilling steaks I’ll be right there and bring the beer. Is Coors Light ok?
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
yeah, both Deion and Jamie Dukes.......
will get their 2 cents worth. I didn’t think that Irvin is a T.O. friend is he?
Yes he is.
He said that it was a mistake to let him go.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
But he also likes Romo.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
I never can understand what
Jamie Dukes is saying with those honey buns in his mouth.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
I don't even remember him playing do you?
must not have been that memorable because I don’t remember him.
actually the one that I like the most
is Steve Mariucci. He seems to know his stuff pretty well. Brian Billick and Martz aren’t bad either. What happend to Terrell Davis btw.?
No, but he was an O Lineman
and they can go under the radar.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
who did he played for? and why is he on TV
big mouth?
I looked up Dukes
He played for the Cards ,Packers and Falcoons. Played 9 yrs. started about 1/2 of the games he played. Sounds like a spare to me.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
*Falcons
But he was a college Lineman at Fla St. Four year starter and All American. He was not drafted.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
I like Falcoons better
than Falcons. Kinda has a ring to it-LOL
Absolutely, Im not a beer elitist. I drink whatevers on sale
though I wont drink white cans that say BEER.
KICK ASS every day!!!
I wouldn't....
More often than not, the team that scores first on the opening drive generally doesn’t do squat. That’s obviously not a proven theory, but I watch closely at teams that do and that is what it seems anyway.
by TheCowboyFan on Dec 4, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
Seems That Way to Me Too
No statistics to back it up, but I can remember it happening dozens of times.
NO has scored 41 points on the first possesion of games
this year.
Dallas, early 90s Dallas, did it all the time. Dallas this year has 3 points on the 1st possession all year.
Remember when Dallas lost to that juggernaut Patriots team? Dallas went the first two possessions without points and ended up down 14-0
by AustonianAggie on Dec 4, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
I'll take scores on any possesion.
It’s silly to say that teams that score on their 1st possesion don’t win the games. I would bet a steak dinner that the team that scores 1st wins more than 50% of the time.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
Easy There
Before everyone whips themselves into a self-righteous frenzy, no one said that the team that scores first loses every time. The CowboyFan believes “more often than not” the team that scores first doesn’t win, and I’ve had a similar observation. Both of us were careful to qualify our beliefs as opinion. Offering anecdotal evidence or swinging away at a straw man argument is not much of a rebuttal. Hopefully we can all express opinions with launching off into irrational attacks.
Yes Indeed
It’s getting close to final exam and project report time for my graduate classes, but I have to make time to watch the Horns. This game makes me a little nervous.
me too.........
but if the defense doesn’t have any more lapses (like against Kansas and Aggies) they should win. I kinda hope Alabama wins because I think the Horns would match up better against them.
Go Ducks!!!
Woohoo…Rose Bowl!!!!
I saw a dog today. Have you seen a dog? You probably have. How was school? Was it fun? Did you get a lot of homework? Huh? Do you have any friends? Do you have a best friend? Does he have a big coat, too?
by Aaron Novinger on Dec 5, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
yeah,
when’s the last time you guys were in the Rose Bowl? That’s cool that you made it. Glad to see somebody else in there besides USC.
I think in '96 before I went there, so I didn't care then.
But this team is really fun to watch. Great spread offense with a QB that can run over DBs. They have a super fast freshman RB to complement the powerful punch of LeGarrette Blount.
The D has been playing pretty well too.
I saw a dog today. Have you seen a dog? You probably have. How was school? Was it fun? Did you get a lot of homework? Huh? Do you have any friends? Do you have a best friend? Does he have a big coat, too?
by Aaron Novinger on Dec 5, 2009 8:11 PM CST up reply actions
well, the Horns pulled it out........
talk about a nail-biter! Colt McCoy didn’t seem himself tonight and I don’t mean because he was getting rushed constantly. His mannerisms and facial expressions seemed different.
btw, since Oregon is so far west......
we don’t know much about them around here. The only team that get any exposure around here is USC. I’m happy for Oregon
I took the liberty of researching it for you
I randomly chose NFL week 7. There were 13 games played that weekend, with only five teams scoring touchdowns on their opening drive. Four of those five teams went on to win the game (80%). The only team to score an opening TD and not win was the Falcons when they were playing us.
Do It for all 16 Weeks
Over the last, say, ten years, and you’d be on to something. A one week sample is not statistically significant.
I just want to see us score 1 more point than them. I dont care where or when.
KICK ASS every day!!!
Good bit
This Giants guy is a class act, unlike the Redskins dork who can’t play it straight.
Giants fans have always had way more class than Skins fans, imo.
To all Dallas fans out here..
I was given a warning today from my site claiming I offended folks on my site and it also claimed I offended you guys out here somehow..I don’t believe I have, but if in fact If I did I am offering you all my sincerest apologies..I have not gotten into any confrontations with any of you guys to my knowledge..In fact I think we enjoy chatting with each other..but if I did, if anyone thinks I have insulted them in any way I aplogize for it..I just can’t for the life of me think I did. It has been alot of fun chatting with other fans, but to be honest there was no internet 47 years ago..So maybe I should just refrain from it..You are good people out here and it is fun interacting with you..and I think from the responses I have gotten back from you guys you feel the same way about me..I just thought this was a great venue to talk football with other fans..Maybe I was wrong. Bob
As far as I can tell, you have been a good guest to our site.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
you've been the most polite fan from another blog
I ever saw on BTB, thats for sure.
In Romo we Trust
don't know where that's coming from on your site......
but you have been great to talk with. In fact, in some ways, better than some guys on our site because you see both sides opinions. I like hearing from a fan’s perspective of an opposing team without all the trash talk. My guess is it’s someone that posts on both our sites
It's all good -- office politics at their worst
My guess is that your brethren hated seeing you conducted rational talk here — in other words, “fraternizing with the enemy.” So they invented some “complaints” from us here, too, just to pressure you even further.
For my part, you’re a stand-up Giants fan and I personally welcome your posts here.
Thanks Cowboy..
I appreciate that..I haven’t in my belief had nothing but good chats with you guys..You all can go thru them and you’ll note that your fellow fans like me,,I have no idea what prompted the warning, but when it included a claim that I disrespected you guys I wanted to log an apology here as well..I have already received numerous support from my fellow Giants fans..I have absolutely no ill intentions coming here and talking football with you folks, and I never go beyond a little joking around..I just loined this forum recently and we as fans have the same common interests and it is fun..but as I said in my apology if I’ve offended anyone I am sorry..I am a bit dumbfounded at the moment trying to figure out how I could have possibly done that..but the fact is the warning stated I did so I felt compelled to come over here and apologize..I didn’t have to but I wanted to.
Bobbi....
its just Ed is all.
I saw a few cuss words…and that’s usually a big no-no, at least on non-game threads.
I don’t think you offended anyone else.
…or maybe it was just “RomoHomo”.
,,,I still don’t understand how a Cowboy fan calls himself “RomoHomo”.
"It ain't over till its over"---
I read the rules on the Giants site and
I’m not sure the Pope would be pure enough to comment on there.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
Thanks guys I appreciate the support.As I said before you are alot of fun to talk to..
And a good bunch of guys to go along with it..I just needed to make sure I didn’t do anything that was insulting to anyone is all..Thanks again, .Bob
Hey Bobbi
Outside of the fact that you are a Giants fan, you seem to be a pretty good dude. Come chat your observations are very good. Have you considered converting to the good side?
We need to start to develop an attitude as a team
An attitude that smells blood in the water in a game like this. I don’t want any concern about looking past the team, I want the team focused on destroying them; sending a statement from the opening kick-off. Approach every game with the attitude that we’re going to play the best football of every team in the NFL each weekend…when we’re against a wounded or weaker team, we’ll destroy them. When we’re against another top team, we’ll battle and win with heart and effort that overcomes talent gaps or bad luck through the course of the game.
I sense that this team is getting close to that. The loss to the Packers and the squeaker against the Redskins don’t give me logical reason to feel that, but something about the sense I am getting from player responses gives me the idea that this is a TEAM focused on achieving something great; a TEAM about to get on a roll. This 5 game stretch to end the season will either send us into the playoffs with confidence and strong momentum, or we’ll slide in with lacking confidence and absolutely no momentum. This TEAM realizes the importance of the next 5 weeks and I expect tomorrow to see a TEAM that destroys the Giants. It may take 1.5 to 2 quarters to break the will of a desperate Giants team, but come the 2nd half this TEAM will bury the Giants and set a new tone that will lead us through the rest of the season and into the playoffs.
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