Run Aground: The Giants Beat the Cowboys With Big Plays, 31-24
by Rafael Vela on Dec 6, 2009 11:10 PM CST
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Tony Romo started December '09 with a 112 QB rating game. He completed 75% of his passes for almost 400 yards. He made one dubious throw, and was bailed out by Jason Witten, who played volleyball over Giants CB Bruce Johnson for a big first half gain. His offense was 9 of 17 on 3rd down. They ran 31 more snaps than New York's offense.
Roy Williams quietly had his best game as a Cowboy, catching two touchdown passes and making big receptions over the middle. Jason Witten piled up his career high in yards, with156 on fourteen catches.
Yet, the Cowboys again began December with a loss, because the defense, which has carried the team thus far, giving up yards, but not points, gave up both by the bucket full Sunday evening. I warned last Sunday:
When you see the "Perils of December" stories, and some are already around, know that the quarterback may get the attention, but it's the defense which will either navigate the rocky waters at last, or wreck the Cowboys ship again.
-- Wade's Defense Will Guide the Cowboys December Ship, BTB, Nov. 29th
Wade's guys ran the ship onto a sandbar off the New Jersey coast. They showed the maddening '08 tendency to surrender points immediately after Dallas scores. They did so twice, each time with depressing speed. Dallas had dominated the first 27 minutes of play, and had taken a 10-0 lead after Williams caught a fade in the far right corner of the Meadowland's left end zone with 3:14 to play in the second quarter.
Eli Manning and his offense snatched one back in just four plays, going 74 yards in 1:28. Manning made two key throws, the first a dumpoff to Kevin Boss, while Bobby Carpenter was trying to wrestle the QB to the turf. Boss' sixteen yard romp moved New York past midfield for the first time. Two plays later, Manning zipped a pass past Terence Newman up the right sideline. Hakeem Nicks sidestepped the gambling Newman for the Giaints first score.
The second rapid collapse came late in the 3rd. Dallas had driven 58 yards in methodical fashion to take a 17-14 lead, but the defense gave it all back in one play. The Giants deployed in a two tight end set that had Kevin Boss tight left and their backup flexed wide left, where he drew Gerald Sensabaugh into space. The two receivers were split right.
New York sent Jacobs on a quick out to the left flat. He got behind Anthony Spencer and raced up the left sideline. Gerald Sensabaugh had a chance to bump Jacobs out of bounds at the Dallas 30, but went low on the runner, who hopped over him, and continued up the sideline for a score.
Nineteen seconds after Dallas had taken a lead, it trailed again.
The defense had company in the big negative play department. Marion Barber provided the lone Dallas turnover and it proved to be devastating. The Cowboys were moving to answer New York's first touchdown with a late scoring drive of their own. Felix Jones had returned the kickoff to his 35 and a Barber draw had given Dallas 2nd and one on its own 44 with 1:18 left.
Barber released a blitzing linebacker on the next play and caught a screen to Tony Romo's right. He motored past midfield but fumbled the ball. Osi Umenyiora picked up the ball and ran it to the Cowboys 28. As the had in September, the Giants moved 28 yards for a key score just before the half. Two Manning passes to Steve Smith moved the Giants to one, where Jacobs scored with just 19 seconds left in the half.
Dallas' special teams added to the misery, surrendering a 79 yard punt return just over five minutes into the final quarter. Mat McBriar punted 59 yards to Domenik Hixon, who floated to his left, then cutback sharply to his right, escaped Pat Watkins and a couple other Cowboys, then picked up a wall of blockers up the right sideline. His score pushed New York's lead to 31-17.
For the day, New York's four touchdown jolts took 1 minute and 28 seconds, 45 seconds, 19 seconds and 15 seconds off the clock, respectively.
That's no way to treat your offense.
Notes
-- How do we define Nick Folk? Critical? Mental? His yips are no longer a distraction. They are an official impediment to the season. Folk wasted an early 4th quarter drive, which included a dandy 3rd-and-14 conversion by Romo to Roy Williams, when he hooked a 42 yard attempt. Folk's head is not right, and his miss, which would have closed New York's lead to 21-20, messes with every Cowboys fan's brain.
-- Sophomore slumps: Martellus Bennett makes plays here and there. He had a big 18 yard gain off a Romo scramble in the 3rd quarter. His tendency to drop one easy one a game is starting to grate. Bennett scuttled the promising opening drive, which had marched 50 yards from the Dallas 18 to the New York 38, when he dropped a 3rd down Romo dart aimed right at his face.
Orlando Scandrick also needs to shake off the second year funk. He may have been running 1B to Mike Jenkins 1A in camp, but there's no comparison between them now. Jenkins had several breakups and picked off Eli Manning in the end zone early in the 3rd, when the Giants were threatening to expand their 14-10 lead.
Scandrick, on the other hand, had another miserable day on Steve Smith's rack. Scandrick excelled in the slot last season but has been a liability much of the time this year. He's got a ways to go to reach Terence Newman's standard in the slot. He's got a ways to go to approach Kenny Gant class.
-- Another breakout for the bookend: Anthony Spencer had a strong game and continues to make late season strides. He pressured Manning out of the pocket on several plays and forced at least three incompletions with his pressure. Teams are doubling Demarcus Ware and Spencer is making them pay a higher price every week. Dallas needs him to continue his push.
-- We saw today what the passing game is capable of, with decent protection: the starting wideouts and tight end snagged 30 balls for 320 yards.
-- The line, on the other hand, could not break lanes in a front which run blitzed heavily on early downs. Marion Barber's 8-yard run was Dallas' best of the day. This was an inversion of the first game, so Dallas went up top and found its yards in the middle of the field, against the Giants linebackers and safeties.
-- The defensive and special teams breakdowns overshadowed one of Dallas' most creative touchdowns. On a 2nd and goal in the 3rd, with Dallas at the Giants' five, trailing 14-10, Dallas lined up in a two tight end, two wideout set with Marion Barber in the backfield. Roy Williams was alone left, Jason Witten at tight end right, Martellus Bennett flexed into the right slot and Miles Austin split right.
Before the snap, Austin motioned into the backfield and lined up as an I-back behind Barber, who was just five yards behind Romo, in the fullback spot. At the snap Romo first faked a dive right to Barber, then faked a pitch left to Austin. The second fake yoked both Giants linebackers towards Austin and held the corner on that side. This allowed Williams to release into the middle of the end zone. Romo's superb fakes produced a wide throwing lane and he tossed to Williams for an easy score.
-- Hurry back, Ken Hamlin. Gerald Sensabaugh had to overcome a hold on Brandon Jacobs' touchdown reception, but neither he nor Alan Ball tackled well. Both were invisible on a series of short crosses by Steve Smith which converted 3rd-and-long situations.
Cowboys fans know that poor safety play hamstrung the defense in '06 and '08. This is no time for the problem to recur.
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It's the Defense, stupid
this team will play as well as they do.
was the defense really worse today than how they have played up until now
or did they just get exposed against a good offense?
You may be right but they sure match up well against the Dallas Defense
by Late for Dinner on Dec 7, 2009 8:13 AM CST up reply actions
good game planning by the giants
but horrific tackling by the cowboys. they were just bouncing off of guys. doesn’t anyone teach these guys to wrap up anymore?
They are seventh in the league 3 spots ahead of us.
They are also rank higher than SD, Philly, Denver, and Philly. They can and do move the ball on everyone.
KICK ASS every day!!!
I was thinking about your previous article on the D in December while I watched
this game go down the drain. I hate it when you’re right.
Did you first you own collumn.
Damn your good.
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
couldn't agree more Raf, couldn't agree more
This defense has been the most disappointing part in all of our late season meltdowns, why I don’t know, but Brooking and his boys better get the fire and intensity back and quick as we’re going to face two of the very best offenses in the league back to back.
In Romo we Trust
Then Wade's Goose is Cooked
Wasn’t he supposed to bring this special 3 – 4, a hybrid attacking type defense that improved upon the more boring 3 – 4 installed by Bill? You know, the reason Dallas does not need a 340 pound space eating Nose Tackle is not just Rat but is because Wade has this special attacking style modern 3 – 4 . . . where is this defense? I don’t see it; we are too soft when it counts. Across the defensive board.
Infuriating
To play hard, grind out a couple of scores in the 1st half, then give away the lead. Not satisfied with doing it once, they did it again and then folded completely by forgetting how to tackle late in the game. As Aikman said, very reminiscent of the ’07 season playoff game..
Always be more than you appear and never appear to be more than you are
Raf,
didn’t WP say in his post game presser that the D was in a zone during the Jacobs catch and run?
It's not that I'm saying we're due a playoff win, but I didn't have my license to drive when we won our last one...
and i'm more likely to think that Wade would make that mistake sooner than you would...lol
It's not that I'm saying we're due a playoff win, but I didn't have my license to drive when we won our last one...
by bulldog jeeper on Dec 6, 2009 11:28 PM CST up reply actions
not arguing with you - i know better
Our defense one play gave up a 74-yarder when we were in zone defense. We haven’t given up anything the whole year (in that defense) and somehow they got a big play on it.
transcript here
It's not that I'm saying we're due a playoff win, but I didn't have my license to drive when we won our last one...
by bulldog jeeper on Dec 6, 2009 11:27 PM CST up reply actions
Need to watch it again
I’m assuming man cause there was nobody on that corner. That’s even more surprising if they were in zone. Jacobs ain’t fast He shouldn’t get around a zone defense.
agreed... though i'm not sure i could watch it again... without vomiting
It's not that I'm saying we're due a playoff win, but I didn't have my license to drive when we won our last one...
by bulldog jeeper on Dec 6, 2009 11:30 PM CST up reply actions
was definitely not a zone
like you said there was no corner over there
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
No, Wade is right
looked at the play again. The backup TE was flexed wide left, so Sensabaugh was in effect the corner there. He could not get off the block (a hold really) and push Jacobs out of bounds.
how is that a zone though
I don’t have the game taped so i cant look at it. what kind of zone has no real cb on one side?
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
It's a matchup zone.
New York has three “wideouts” but one is a TE left and Manningham and Smith right.
They’re in the shotgun. Dallas is playing 4 across deep and the linebackers shallow. I think Spencer was playing too tight to the line. He let Jacobs get wide of him way too easily and then it was on Sensabaugh to get contain. Both of them failed and you have a 74 yard breakdown.
oh ok yea for some reason I am getting the mental picture now..
which begs the question. why was Sensi the only other player in the picture?
how significant of a hold was it?….I was definitely calling for it when it happened. In that situation there’s no way you go low on a guy, but it seemed like he was forced to since the Giants player had two hands full of jersey.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
in the picture the whole time
not initially.. 70 yards for someone to cut the angle. Someones gotta be able to get there
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
it's a combination of poor technique and an offensive play that took advantage of what the defense showed
Spencer has to chip the TE to pass him off to the underneath zone (bjames).
The Giants lucked out on the fact that Spencer couldn’t close the distance with Jacobs when he broke out into his route.
Spencer rode the TE too much and took himself out of position.
Good execution on the Giants’ part.
Scheme wise, we covered what we needed to. Sometimes you just get one on one matchups like that, they have to step up and make plays.
testing
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by Wmillion on Dec 7, 2009 4:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
jacobs isn't fast side to side
but straight line speed…i think he ran a ridiculous 40 for a guy his size. He is FAST
yeah i was shocked..
i kept thinking.. theres no way someone doesnt catch him.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
That's the key to Brandon...
If you force him east/west..You got him trapped..If he gets North/South on you he’s gone..and he hurts people..that 74 yard swing pass was perfect..Eli hit him full tilt heading due North..that’s what we have been waiting for from him..He’ll either take it to the house or there will be defenders trying to remember who their mothers name is.
B-Jake
gets caught from behind in the open field all the time…
Anyways saw a lot of you D fans at the game, and lots of friendly partying afterward as well. Dallas fans were really good from what I saw at the game, no fights really…
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Dec 7, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
The Star Ledger reports New York Giants RB Brandon Jacobs, whose 40-yard dash was timed in the mid-4.5 second range three years ago, is now running in the mid-4.4s. “The first 10 yards, he’s got average speed for an NFL back,” said local fitness trainer Joe Carini, who also trained Kansas City’s RB Larry Johnson this off-season. “Those last 30 yards, he’s like a freight train. Trust me, you don’t want to tackle him then — not even around the ankles.”
Is our defense…
A. That bad?
B. Affected by the December curse?
C. Owned by Steve Smith and the Giants?
D. All of the above?
Until next week’s game I’m just going to assume the Giants offense has our number.
I'll say C
with a possiblity of A thats to be determined.
The Giants have had their way with us in two matchups. In fact, they seem to always have their way with us. Generally, our offense has needed to be perfect to beat them.
with the exception of the second game last year
but while we got pressure on Manning at times we still only recorded one sack, which was a weird play in itself.
I just don’t think you can give qb’s time to throw with Scandrick in man coverage to be honest. I haven’t seen much from him to make me think otherwise. I was so high on him in training camp, but he appears to have digressed
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
i find it hard to count that game
given they were all Fed up from plax shooting himself. That was not the normal giants offense.
fair point
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
Add Cornerback to the list in the draft.
Until we can put someone on Steve Smith that will actually cover him, this will continue to happen. I don’t know what happened to Scandrick, but he’s not covering well, and he’s missing tackles.
When you factor the holding flag on Felix’ longest return of the day against the hold on Jacobs 74 yard TD, it forces you to wonder what the officials are doing. The announcers didn’t even mention it in like 5 replays.
Again, Romo was not the problem in a December loss, but he’ll carry the burden for it. With the exception of missing RW wide open, Romo was brilliant. How many 3rd and longs can he be expected to hit?
Alas, only one more cold game in December. We now have to set our sights on taking down the Chargers, and the Saints. The season was complicated by two messed up plays yesterday.
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"
+1
I think we need more cb depth if we’re gonna have to deal with philly and new york.
I think they will go for at least one or two CB's
Both the guys drafted this season are now on other team’s rosters now. Ball is strictly average, but seems to play well on ST, and can fill in at FS. But they need more depth.
You can't stop Patrick Crayton, you can only hope to contain him.
My money's on C
Y’know I made a few cracks about it being December, but honestly, it is way too early to trot out “curse” talk after the first game. It’s just too easy of a scapegoat…and that’s not directed towards the posters here-I got tons of jokes about it on Facebook. I joked about it a little bit, but it’s silly to be convinced the year is over because of a 7-point loss.
Romo had a great game, and it’s frustrating that he possibly had one of his best performances (December or not), and everything else fails.
New York needed it more, and stepped up with injured players, and actually manhandled Dallas even worse than in September. It’s frustrating, but the December talk is a crutch for critics to say the team can’t handle pressuresome situations.
Well..IMO..
A. False
B. No such thing
C. Doubt it
D. See above
Just the usual well fought battle is all..
by Bobbiblue on Dec 7, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He's got a lot of team's number.
see: 2nd in the NFC in yards and catches.
"It ain't over till its over"---
The run defense was off and on
and as i said during the game thread, it looked like Spencer was single-handedly stopping the rush. Ware looked llike what he was: injured and a non factor. On one of the long runs (I believe by Bradshaw) Ware ran down the line and somehow ended up behind the RB who cut back to his side that suddenly had no contain.
IMO most of the defenses problems point to Scandrick, which points back to Wade. He was getting beat just about every time he lined up across from Smith. I’m not sure why Wade didn’t key Jenkins onto Smith, or Newman. Even if he’s in the slot, it was clear Scandrick was not up to it, for the second time against the same WR.
Really frustrating to watch, obviously. Did the Giants put together any long drives? It was either 3 and out or 4 plays and a td.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
It was a tough day to be an NFC division leader
Dallas lost;
Minnesota was throttled in Arizona;
The Saints would have lost of Shaun Suisham had hit a 20 yard chip shot at the end of regulation.
Only the Cardinals looked tough.
We have the sickest two game schedule possible coming up too
either we right things quickly (which i think we can) or we are on the outside looking in, and suddenly the packers’ loss becomes big. Does this mean we root for the Eagles next week?
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
Next week's game is a lose-lose scenario
Either we win and we’re 1 game ahead of the winner of the Giants/Iggles match up, or we lose and fall behind the winner. We gain no ground either way.
I suppose if we lose to San Diego, the best case scenario is NY beating Philly. We’d only be behind them by half a game. But even then, if Philly beats NY and we lose to San Diego, we still get to play Philly again, at home no less…
I just confused myself. I’m too overwhelmed with sorrow to figure this one out…
Epic Fail since 1985
by the red scare on Dec 7, 2009 12:11 AM CST up reply actions
We've already lost the tiebreaker to the Giants
But have a chance to sweep the Eagles still (a chance….)
So I think we pull for Philly
by Realist Larry on Dec 7, 2009 12:16 AM CST up reply actions
Clarity
Thank you, sir.
Epic Fail since 1985
by the red scare on Dec 7, 2009 12:19 AM CST up reply actions
If we can beat the Chargers then it's better if the Giants win.
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"
Lady luck has been on the saints side this year.
Thats gotta change sometime, right……right? ugh
Good morning
I would have agreed with you on that “LUCK” thing, except when you watch that play where that idiot Redskin squats down on that punt I can’t help but laugh that analysis away. Dear God you would think that he was ducking a hand grenade or something. THEY WERE GETTING THE DAMN BALL!!! Shouldn’t it occur to that dumbass to look skyward? Geez.
Just becuz you put yer boots in the oven don't make it bread
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Dec 7, 2009 9:05 AM CST up reply actions
The Cowboys need to study what the redskins did..
Memorize it..and then make few more plays..
Minnesota's loss might be bad news
We want them to be playing hard for home field in Week 17 when they face the Giants. If they don’t have a shot at homefield because the Saints are 2 games up, then they might rest starters, particularly Favre.
Of course, if we beat the Saints, then the Vikings would be in the hunt again.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Just find it interesting to play out the scenarios
Certainly doesn’t hurt anybody to speculate.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
It would be Irresponsible...
not to speculate.
Conan!, What is good in Football?!
Daa.... to run between the tackles,
To drive the linebackers before you,
And to hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders.
by The Pale Scot on Dec 7, 2009 12:34 AM CST up reply actions
It would be Irresponsible...
not to speculate.
Conan!, What is good in Football?!
Daa.... to run between the tackles,
To drive the linebackers before you,
And to hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders.
by The Pale Scot on Dec 7, 2009 12:38 AM CST up reply actions
Because we can -- we're fans
The players can’t.
Sure, it isn’t fair. But fans are the ones spending hundreds (if not thousands) every year — as opposed to players, who make hundreds of thousands (if not millions) every year.
The Giants could go on another losing streak...
Or maybe the Packers hit another rough patch.
Epic Fail since 1985
by the red scare on Dec 7, 2009 12:24 AM CST up reply actions
That's one of those other things that sucked
Romo, Witten, Jenkins, (and maybe Spencer and Roy) all had career games. Those are the exact players that before the game they would all have huge games, I’d say we would win easily.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
if you told me before the game****
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
yea
i know. it was strange. One big play here, one there, one poor containment in special teams….
Romo played one of the best games ive ever seen.
and will ever see i think
how can you get better than that? the completion to Roy maybe would have helped i guess lol
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
better by him not in general
you dont get much better than Brees against the Pats
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
He...
threw it before the defender fell, and so he was being wise and throwing it away. The old, turnover-prone Romo would have gotten a TD there by forcing it :)
Speaking as a Giants fan
I thought Romo played very well.
More to the point, he was as under control as I’ve ever seen him play.
The Giants defensive gameplan today was predicated on two things: (1) sell out to stop the run; and (2) don’t get beat over the top. They were willing to concede the underneath stuff all day long.
To his credit, Romo did not lose patience (as I’ve seen him do many times in the past) and recklessly go for the big play into the teeth of the defense. He just kept taking what the Giants were giving him. Even more impressive was the fact that many of his key third down completions underneath were not exactly gimmes. There were several plays where the receiver did not have great separation but Romo was able to deliver the ball into a very tight window anyway.
As a Giants fan, I can only hope that today’s game was an aberration and not the advent of a smarter, more disciplined Romo.
You are all class, sir
Epic Fail since 1985
by the red scare on Dec 7, 2009 12:25 AM CST up reply actions
yep I felt the same way
today was one of romo’s best games. This rivalry seems to bring out the best in our qbs.
wishful thinking, it's not an aberration
Romo has been playing that way all season after the debacle against you guys in week 2.
In Romo we Trust
fighter im callin you out .....
You gave me heck when I suggested that jenkins was flashing all pro ability and that he was the best dallas corner. Jenkins is a monster people, recognise. I love what Newman has done for the team, at the same time you would have to be either related to Newman or blind to think that Jenkins isn’t the best corner on the team right now.
by alanTdot. on Dec 7, 2009 2:44 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
yeah, I wrote a post back in February stating that...
Mike Jenkins would make the pro bowl in two years. I’m changing my mind; he might make it this year.
by beautifultyrant on Dec 7, 2009 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
What kind of post game speech do you think Wade gave?
Back in my playing days we had a huge disciplinarian of a coach, and it really did wonders. I know that I don’t understand the dynamic of being a professional athlete but it just feels like they need someone to let them have it at times. Does Wade do that? I don’t know, but I doubt it.
To answer my own question: for some reason I can hear the phrase, “We’re still in first place” ringing in my ears.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
i doubt it
but he hasn’t said stuff like “we’re still in first” much this year – even in wins hes been honest when talking about the teams play. He knows the expectations, he knows when we’re playing well.
yeah
i havent watched the post game press conference yet.. probably wont until tomorrow.. ill interesting to hear what players have to say.. will also be interested to hear what quesions the guys ask Romo.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
would it really help to yell at the ol?
These guys..they are who they are at this pint. Wades not gonna fire them up or something.
Defensively, there were a lot of problems….the giants pretty much had their way with us even disregarding big plays.
yea the o-line is what they are
but someone like Scandrick? he’s young and impressionable lol
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
Hudson Houck needs to speak bluntly...
…to Flozell Adams. Dumb play has to stop.
"It's how you execute." Wade Phillips
Raf does Folk get the boot, so to speak?
If not will this be the defining issue between Wade and Parcells? (lol) I mean Parcells did cut the most accurate kicker in league history. How long do you stick with him, till he misses one with time expiring to tie or take the lead?
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
I don't know.
Buehler has a strong leg, but is he/ was he an accurate kicker at USC? I don’t know off the top of my head,.
at what point does it not matter tho?
Can you get much worse than Folk right now?
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
the argument hs always been
he’ll make them when they matter..but im not so sure. Hes missed quite a few recently that have mattered. That GB one could’ve got our offense rolling. Same with the Wash one.
it's hard to point at a fg that doesn't matter..
save a blowout
i hate to say that too because of how frustrating it is to settle for a fg, but obviously they add up, and it’s surprising the momentum you get from the other team missing one.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
No, but kickers are streaky
all of those who have long careers have a slump or two at some point, but overcome them.
Folks has been all year, however. He was missing kicks in preseason
The tricky thing is that some DON’T overcome them.
Kickers are definitely streaky year-to-year, to the point where Football Outsiders has almost written off projecting kicker success in a given season based on track record, and sometimes when a guy gets the yips (like Vanderjagt), they stay that way.
It may just be an issue of giving the player enough time to overcome it— Vanderjagt was off the team pretty quickly. Hopefully Nick can bust this slump.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Vanderjagt had no history with the team
He had a big contract, a sour personality and an injured leg which made kicking off to the ten a luxury.
He really had no value. Folks twin 53 yarders in Buffalo two years ago buy him a little time, but not too much, I think. He’s only a kicker, not a kickoff guy, so if he can’t do that, he’s really hurting the roster.
He had a history as a player
I would think Vanderjagt’s status as the most accurate kicker in the history of the game would’ve bought him as much time as the twin 53 yarders bought Folk.
I think his quick exit was more a symptom of Parcells’ philosophy on kickers.
Regardless, the fact that Folk’s been immune from criticism in Wade’s pressers thus far is likely due to the credit he’s built up in Dallas so far. But I have to imagine that rope is running pretty short.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
definitely
although folk was also so good his first two years.
Yes
you can get worse. Anyone wanna remember Vanderjagt?
by what_the_crap on Dec 7, 2009 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
He was the 2nd stringer and only came in to place kick when the 1st stringer died in a horrible hiking accident.
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by Aaron Novinger on Dec 7, 2009 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
No. But his holder should...
…and I nominate Crayton for the job. Former qb with good hands. I think Folk has lost his confidence, first in his holder, then in himself.
"It's how you execute." Wade Phillips
What I didn't like about Folk's miss was
how he looked right at McBriar after the miss and seemed to blame him! The hold was perfect though. I think that miss a couple of weeks ago where McBriar said “it was my fault – I didn’t get the laces turned out” has contributed to Folks struggles mentally. He’s now finding reasons to think about missing rather than just going out and nailing the kicks (like he has in the past). We can’t afford a slump right now and that’s exactly what we’re getting.
could get ugly the next couple of weeks
The D better figure it out in a hurry with the Chargers and Saints up next. The Chargers have been one of hottest offenses the past few weeks and the Saints O goes without saying.
Alright.. some final thoughts before I sign off..
unlike the Packers loss there are plenty of positives to build on. Also unlike the packers loss though, this was much more important.
One big negative I want to point out: The Giants were all over Felix just about every time he got it. With the exception of one 12 yard dump off. I’m not sure if he did or not, but I remember thinking Garrett needed to use Felix as a decoy on some plays. The screens and pitches got bottled up almost before they developed. As pointed out, he used Austin as a decoy on that one touchdown. That play felt like a poker move to me. You know I like to do this so I’m going to set it up. For once it felt like Garrett watched his own tape and habits and found a way to bait the defense. That’s the creativity that got him paid.
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"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
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I'm surprised nobody is talking about the special teams
I guess DeCamillis has spoiled us after the Bruce’s, Dehaven and Read, but his guys lost the game as much as anybody. Folk belongs to them. A penalty wiped out a big kickoff return and the punt return which was awful tackling by Pat Watkins. He’s been playing way above his previous level on STs this year.
This is the wrong time for him to turn into a pumpkin.
This is the first bad special team’s game of the year, but man, it hurt.
Perhaps it's because the special teams problems seem more fluke-ish
For whatever reason, they don’t seem as likely to be consistent issues given the season’s track record, while problems like run blocking and defensive letdowns will probably raise their heads again down the road.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
True
I don’t expect the special teams to suddenly suck out loud after being strong all year.
I guess that’s why I don’t feel as iffy as I did last year. There was a fluky quality to a lot of the plays, and to the whole day, even.
And the team is still relatively healthy. That’s night and day from ‘08. I heard Witten after the game and his take is the team was disappointed but still confident and he mentioned more than once that he likes this locker room. Take it for what it’s worth.
st did blow vs the giants
Maybe this was the one game that ST whiffs. Without that punt return for six and the Folk miss, Cowboyus might’ve snuck one out.
by alanTdot. on Dec 7, 2009 4:03 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Talking about special teams
Tynes does not have the leg and the coverage team is useless – you seem to start (apart from one penalty) past your 30 everytime we kicked off – it was a surprise to me that you did not score more than you did.
As for Hixon, the return was more of a busted play after he reversed field – not much you can do about that.
by G Fan in England on Dec 7, 2009 9:30 AM CST up reply actions
a few thoughts on that punt return - though none dispute that the giants did what they were supposed to - which is return it
McBriar showed the leg we’ve been waiting to return… but he out-kicked his coverage like he never has all season
Also, wrap-up, wrap-up, wrap-up. that’s wasn’t the first or last time in that game where a giant with the ball was surrounded by Cowboys who tried to “bump” him to the ground.
finally, there’s the idea of lanes. we kind of blew that one…
It's not that I'm saying we're due a playoff win, but I didn't have my license to drive when we won our last one...
by bulldog jeeper on Dec 7, 2009 9:33 AM CST up reply actions
Well, to Hixon's credit, he made some moves to turn Watkins around several times.
Watkins is usually a deadly gunner.
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by Aaron Novinger on Dec 7, 2009 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
Does anybody feel like Buehler has lost some of his power?
The past couple of weeks, it has seemed as if his kicks have been dropping at the 5, or sometimes even the 10. Is it the wind in these outdoor stadiums, or is his toe injury affecting him?
and some want him to try kicking field goals?
ummm, time to rethink that.
BTW I place this loss completely at the feet of the D and the ST. If they had gotten the performance from them that they got against Oakland, then this is a blowout, in our favor. Instead, they gave it up like it was Spring Break, and forgot pretty much every fundamental at some point in the game.
The Barber fumble hurt, too, but could have been overcome if that was the only miscue.
Yeah,
All year the D and the Special teams have a done a really good job of not giving up the big play. Today they both did and we lost. Sometimes just being a bit off in your execution is enough for a big mistake.
I actually think the signs for this team are positive overall. Just need the different phases to all execute on the same day.
Sometimes..
you set up a certain formation that if you execute you give up little to no yards. If one player blows their assignment it gives up a big gain. The easiest example is the Ravens last year. When you fully sell out to stop something, they are one missed tackle from a touchdown. It felt like that happened a few times yesterday. A few guys lost one on one battles and it turned in to big gains.
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"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
We lost in two phases of the game yesterday.
Special Teams and Defense did not carry their weight. If one of those units makes one or two extra plays (stopping that punt return, making the FG, tackling Jacobs, getting Eli to the ground before the pass to Boss) we have a different game. Not necessarily a different outcome, but it would have changed the dynamic of the game where a win is more likely for us.
I agree that the poor ST play was kind of fluky, but on a day where the defense didn’t have its fastball, we needed our typical ST output and we didn’t get it (instead they had their worst game since very early in the season).
The Steve Smith plays over the middle baffled me
Smith came WIDE open in that 10-15 yard zone right in the heart of the field 3+ times. That baffled me. I know Newman got picked on one, but how does the other team’s #1 WR get completely lost right in the middle of your defense? I guess the safeties had been pulled deep by other routes, but it was very frustrating to watch.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
My dog was shaking because on every third-down I was yelling, "cover Steve Smith!"
Maybe someday they will.
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by Aaron Novinger on Dec 7, 2009 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
Aaron..this is too funny..My Cowboy fan wife was..
Shaking while I hollered “Cover Jason Witten”..but She ain’t no dog…Oh, yes dear I put that in here baby here read it honey..Is it okay to post it?..Okay darling you press the button.Poof …that was the end of that..lol
I think Ball had something to do with that.
On that last one, where Smith caught the ball going right to left and cut back to the right for a 40 yard gain, Ball was really slow to close from the high middle, then whiffed on the tackle.
I seriously doubt the space was by design. Somebody was out of position regularly. I need to watch the game again, but I suspect one of the safeties.
Carp's fault on the first one
When he was supposed to release a WR, can’t think of who it was, to Scandrick he was supposed to take the guy in the middle (Smith) but him and Smith went opposite directions leaving the massive gap
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by nicholas.rodriguez on Dec 7, 2009 12:39 AM CST up reply actions
But Ball
didn’t have a very good game, for a FS he wasn’t around the ball very much at all from what I saw, Hamlin typically will be in the picture of where the ball is on 90% of the plays
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by nicholas.rodriguez on Dec 7, 2009 12:40 AM CST up reply actions
I think that play was either Ball's fault or Bradie James'
I saw James release into the short zone but instead of going right up the middle, he took an angle towards the sideline (and then Smith cut right behind Bradie and made the catch). At that moment, you saw Ball hesitate like he wasn’t sure if he was supposed to be where James was going or in the middle where Smith caught the ball. That moment of hesitation is all Smith needed to get into the open field and make the big gain.
I'll be looking forward to that analysis
I was wondering where a defender, ANY defender was on those Smith wide open routes int he middle.
Good game
If you had recovered the onside kick I had no doubt in my mind that you would have scored.
An amazing game when you look at the Stats which could have gone either way as plays were made or missed by both teams.
Your destiny – as is the Giants – is still in your own hands which is no different to the position before the game. In deed another Giants strong performance next Sunday will help you!
I have not seen the play, but on BBV Flozell Adams is getting a bad press for the end of half play. I would be interested on the Cowboy fans view of the play.
by G Fan in England on Dec 7, 2009 3:48 AM CST reply actions
Flo shoved a guy to the ground from behind and I think went after another a guy as well
There is no one to replace Flo, but his upside no longer outweighs his downside
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
Couldn't disagree more
I think we’ve seen in our run-blocking on the right side what happens when you go from a starting tackle to a backup. Flozell’s “upside” (him continuing to start and keep Romo clean) is clearly still worth his “downside,” which I guess would entail benching him and freeing ourselves from his penalties?
I actually liked the push against Tuck and the ensuing fight, it showed that someone on the team was playing with some passion and hates the Giants as much as they obviously hate us.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
It is one thing
to play with passion.
It is different to taking cheap shots which could end someone’s career.
I assume by your second comment that if someone did the same to Ware you would say “Hey something needs to be done about this” rather than it does not matter it was a player on another team.
by G Fan in England on Dec 7, 2009 9:22 AM CST up reply actions
I agree with you, there's no call for that action.
Flo was completely in the wrong. That said, we can’t afford to lose him, even for a game.
idk how a shove in the back could possibly end someones career
if you’ve ever played football you would know that type of thing happens all the time. This is a bit different just because it’s Flo and Tuck and it seemed like he was waiting for a chance to get a hit in, but you could easily argue that deaf Flo didn’t hear the whistle and thought he found himself a prime opportunity to get a hit in before the half.
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one other thing........
Tuck bad-mouthed Flo after the last game and called him cheap etc. Not excusing the play by any means, but nobody really knows what happened on the sideline because if it was just Flo I would think they would have thrown him out of the game or at least given him a penalty. I’m assuming something happened prior to that to set Flo off because I don’t think he’s a dirty player.
Oh that is alright then
Adams gets fined for tripping and kicking by the league, but because Tuck called him a cheap shot artist Adams has act like a real man and push someone from behind after the play is dead plus it is near the Giants sideline so that makes him even harder.
The true professional way Adams should have responded would have been to dominate the DL opposite him springing the RB for huhe gains all day.
My comment was not related to the push alone but all the other trips etc Adams has been called for this year and last year.
As for the penalty the NFL are looking at it because as it was after the half ended the penalty could not be assessed or the player ejected. This does not mean the league will take action but I see some Cowboy fans are tired of Adams.
by G Fan in England on Dec 7, 2009 5:51 PM CST up reply actions
hey GFan chill........
if you’ll re-read my statement, I said I wasn’t condoning Flo’s actions. I said “not excusing the play by any means”. Anyway, were you there on the field yesterday? I sure wasn’t. From what I saw, it was a bench clearer. Am I justifying what he did? No. All I’m saying, is there may be more to the story than what you saw because from what I saw you couldn’t really tell. I may be wrong and if I am, my apologies. However, the refs were on the spot and I would think they got a better picture of what was really happening than what you or I saw on our TV’s.
I will chill
It is amazing to think that if the Giants beat the Eagles and you lose to the Chargers that the Giants will be top of the division.
That statement alone confirms that the East is a dogfight and with so many divisional games to play it can go either way.
by G Fan in England on Dec 8, 2009 2:59 AM CST up reply actions
you're right about the East
being a dogfight. I knew this would be a tough game especially playing up in NY. I’ve watched too many games over the years to think otherwise. Even though the Skins are finding ways to lose, they are still a very dangerous team, especially this time of year. If you take a look at it, they should have beaten the Cowboys,Philly, and the Saints.
I agree
The Redskins could have been in the thick of the race but some some poor losses to the Lions, Chiefs and then the above three losses.
by G Fan in England on Dec 8, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
There was nothing done that risked serious injury or was cheap in that way
It was just a guy who hates another guy getting aggressive after the whistle. And he had no problem doing it in the middle of your sideline, which takes some guts.
So yes, it would bother me if someone else did it to one of our players, but it certainly doesn’t strike me as a dirty play that was meant to injure. Those are inexcusable. Fighting does not fall in that category.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Really?
Shoving a player, when he’s getting up and not looking, to the ground…is not dirty?
Sorry, it most definitely is a dirty play.
In Game one, the ‘trip’ thing is debatable, cuz while not a football play and generally a move reserved for someone about to get beat…Flozell’s just doing all he can to protect the QB.
Name one shove after the play that doesn’t seem like a dirty play?
Maybe if Tuck was mouthing off…but he just came up from behind him after the play was over and shoved him down.
"It ain't over till its over"---
But we don't know the whole story...
For example, a piece of history…
A lot has been said about who Erik Williams used to be and how many Eagles and Packers fans used to hate his guts (along with the fans of many teams along the Cowboys schedule) in the first few years of his career, before his car crash and injury… What is very seldom mentioned is what Reggie White used to do to him in their many matches… Eye gouging, going down to his knees (helmet first, not to connect, but to give him something to think about), hands to the face, etc… Williams himself has talked about it…. Hell, many players have talked about the pain in the ass that White used to be on the field…
But, everything that we’ve heard is that Erik Williams used to be the dirtiest OLineman in the 90s.
I’m not saying that anything that Tuck did is deserving of such a coward maneuver, because that’s what Flo did, but I would really like to know the whole story.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
What I said was that the play was not one that risked injury
It was not a dirty play in the way that a cut block is. You stated that it risked ending someone’s career. That’s false.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
It isn't like we ran all that well to the left either.
You can’t blame Free for the lack of a run game.
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The problem is that Flo's "passion" seemed to ignite the Giants, at least according to post game interviews
That schoolyard crap pissed them, and did nothing to ignite any “passion” on Dallas’ part.
The downside is the drive killing penalties plus he is getting old and slow. His skills are declining, resulting in dirty play. I did say that there is no one to replace him, but the clock is ticking, and ticking loudly
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Yeah, that punt returner took it personally and ran it back.
Im glad somebody on our team was pissed and showed some fight.
They werent fired up from that punch, they were fired up because they scored twice in a 1:15 right before the half having done absolutely nothing else in the entire 1st half.
KICK ASS every day!!!
The Giants already had momentum though
they had just scored two quick td’s. I really doubt Flo was trying to pump up the team.. seemed more like trying to take out a little frustration from not having a successful running game.
If it had been a player such as Ware, or Brooking, or Choice, guys that have great reputations, then you could see it as trying to pump the team up. Then it would be similar to what the Penguins did in the playoffs last year. Talbot, one of the smaller guys on the team, went after and fought the bruiser of the other team when they were down by a few goals and playing bad. He got whipped but the team responded well and went on a run to win the game. I do not see at as what happened here, and doubt it gave the Giants any extra momentum.
Don’t forget the Giants went 3 and out on the first possession of the second half, and Dallas came right back for a nice drive and the go ahead td.
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"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
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Classy guys like Ware and Brooking don't take cheap shots
At least none I’ve ever seen. And Talbot went after that guy to his face, he didn’t clock him from behind. Big difference.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Dec 7, 2009 8:12 PM CST up reply actions
They were ignited before that.
They had just retaken the lead. They are always fired up against us.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
And yes, it was a dirty play and if I was a Giants fan I'm sure I'd dislike it
Fortunately I’m not a Giants fan.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
they would not have scored
I was there. And they were coming towards my end zone. Seriously though, the Giants defense played well. 50 yards in 1:00 would have been a tall order. I think they had no timeouts.
The real danger was that a lot of Giants fans also left and the stadium was no longer loud… probably helped the Cowboys to their gbg time TD
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Dec 7, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
Not excusing what Flo did ...
but I do wonder what may have happened earlier in the play that may have gotten him riled up. Reactions like that generally are a retaliation for something else. Then again, maybe he just put on his stupid hat and went after Tuck.
Heys Guys..
First obviously, I am happy my Giants won the game (we had to)..but you can’t lay blame on Romo, Witten, Williams or Austin..They had great performances..As I had been commenting all week leading up to the game, we needed to stop the running attack and we did (2.0 yards per carry)…and we did probably the best job I’ve seen this year in our offensive and defensive red zone packages..I also strongly feel that the player you can single-out and lay blame on is Flozell Adams..that was one of the most bone-headed, idiotic things I’ve seen him do yet..Right at the end of the half..unbelievable..His cheapshot in effect was like throwing gas on a small spark..The Giants did not even accept the penalty to start the second half, but I can only imagine how enflamed our defensive unit was at half-time in the locker room..This game was within the Cowboys reach if he didn’t bring his gas can to the game with him..If I was Wade Phillips, I’d replace that guy..He cost you big-time..and I still do not believe in this ‘December Jinx’ baloney..That is a ‘media stigma’ and is irrevelant..You guys have two tough games coming up and need to stay focussed on them..If your guys do that this week and they either replace Adams or have him take a crash course in Anger Management you’ll do just fine.
Our defense and ST lost this game
not Flozell although his putrid run blocking along with the rest of the OL sure didn’t help.
In Romo we Trust
Yes Terry..
But you don’t need a guy pulling that stunt ever, let alone at the end of a half..He lit a fire in our defense that couldn’t be put out..He’s a jerk.
I don't know about that one Terry..
The only guy cheap-shotting player is that bum..Bozoflozell..Sounds like the league is going to take that matter over.
I disagree
The giants went 3 and out on their first possession of the second half, and Dallas turned around for the go ahead td. If Flo ignited a spark you’d think they would have come out stronger.
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"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
Actually I think they got one first down
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by bigbluethruandthru on Dec 7, 2009 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
Unfortunately, we have no one on the roster to replace him with.
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by Aaron Novinger on Dec 7, 2009 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
Where the Heck Did All These Classy Giants Fans Come From?
There’s at least five guys posting on here that are offering sympathies! Incredible!
Hey Dan..
I just call them like I see them..and that is how I saw this one play out..My wife is a Cowboys fan, so you can’t imagine the ‘razzing’ I was taking in the first and halfway through the second quarter…lol..We have a blast with these games..Although I must say I’ll have to look for her..I think she been hiding on me since around 7pm last night..lol..Bob
Dan,
it’s easy to be a gracious winner, don’t get any good opinion of us. Jusge us by how we are after a loss!
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Dec 7, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
It is always amazing how..
How each teams season schedule goes..The Eagles have managed to get lucky in that they have been facing teams depleted with injuries..I had stated that if our guys get past Philly we have a decent shot at doing something..but I have been following Washington and they have shown that they can play games close..they are eventually going to break thru that barrier…I’m hoping they wait a few weeks..Your guys have to plow thru the Chargers and Saints…All of a sudden our division is tightening up..alot of fun to watch, but I often wonder how many NFC East fans suffer from ‘ulcers’..and whether any of us have any nails left to bite..lol
Yeah, but you have to wonder about a Conference leader,
who can’t go in and dispatch a wounded team that has been on a downward spiral. I’m not going to say that the Giants didn’t outplay the Cowboys, but it has to make the Cowboys fans very nervous. I include myself in that groupl
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I've suddenly started suffering from major migrains
the one after the first loss to NYG was the worst, but this one hurt pretty badly as well.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
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Good point Gun..
But I tell ya, I haven’t seen a totally dominant team in this division for quite a few years..They could script a sequel to the movie “On any given Sunday” using the NFC East..I’ll give you a prime example on how our teams luck has gone..That pass to Witten..he was covered perfectly..Our guy bats the ball in the air, and he had total concentration and pulled it in..and he did that more than once…What a player that guy is..I have said all along, Witten is the best tight-end in the NFL..He’s a work-horse..and the fact that his ankle is sore makes a performance like that even more amazing..Our guy Boss is in the same mold..I just love watching guys like that play the game..but that is alot of what we have had happen to us this year on defense..on a ball thrown that high, you need to bat it away, not try for a pick..I could go on and on..My advice to any corner or safety in the league is if your covering Witten, well A) you had better be covering him..and B) just bat the ball away from him.
C) Make Witten kick the ball up to you and intercept it
we’ve had more than our fair share of bad bounces as well, as most teams in the league probably have
As bad as the defense and ST played
the team is still is first place and can control their own destiny and thats all really you can ask for late in the year.
The 2009 December story for the Cowboys has yet to be written, I still think it will have a different ending from Decembers past.
In Romo we Trust
+1
I totally agree Terry, but the defense is going to have to suck it up and give their best effort for the final 4 games. Will it be enough? No one knows for sure, but I still like our chances.
It could be a lot worse. Just think how Steeler nation is doing right now. Being in the belly of the Steeler beast you must be witnessing mass suicide this morning.
yeah, as disappointing as the loss to the GMen was
It’s awfully quiet here in Steelers Country and I’m loving every minute of it. Of course they are all saying it’s because Big Hair is out, but regardless, it’s my one bright spot to an otherwise depressing weekend, considering my Panthers gave Cincy the Big East title, that was the most sickening loss of all.
In Romo we Trust
I'm glad we didn't play the Raiders at their house.
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by Aaron Novinger on Dec 7, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
and what's amazing is...
… Oakland has beaten three possible playoff contenders: Eagles, Bengals, and Steelers!!!
Is playing smart too much to ask?
what's even more baffling......
I was listening to Sirius last night and they were talking about the Bengals. They even had the nerve to say how they are a good team but they let the Raiders beat them without even mentioning the Steelers losing earlier in the day to them. I can’t understand how you can criticize the Bengals and not even mention how the Steelers lost to them. Talk about media bias!
yeah, there's a noticeable anti-Cowboys bias amongst da MSM
like during NBC’s Football Night in America.
Dan Patrick asks Rodney Harrison about Tony Romo’s trip to Vegas after the Thanksgiving win over Oakland, and Harrison criticizes it.
FIrst of all, what da hell did that have to do with #9’s performance yesterday?!?! Romo wasn’t the reason we lost that game, yet the mediots had to find a way to criticize him. His trip DID NOT affect his play on the field. Tony was the reason we were IN THE GAME. Not once during that conversation did they point out that the Defense lost it.
Is playing smart too much to ask?
yeah, but why put down the Bengals.....
when their media darling(Steelers) lost to them yesterday? They didn’t even bring it up. If you’re going to put down the Bengals, then you better put down the Steelers.
The CIN v PITT game was great
I know it sucked for the Panther fans, but it was really great to watch.
Marty Gilyard is a legit stud. I have to say. Hadn’t seen him play before.
You can't stop Patrick Crayton, you can only hope to contain him.
oh it was a great game
except for the last minute for us Panthers fans, lol. When the holder dropped the ball on the extra point try, it brought back horrific memories.
In Romo we Trust
agreed
a win over the Chargers or Saints would be HUGE.
by what_the_crap on Dec 7, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
IT'S WADE
After staying quiet for the past two years and giving him the benefit of the doubt and blaming the players, etc etc – there is really only one conclusion to come to – IT’S WADE. Wade is a good coach, but “good” coaches dont win Superbowls, great coaches do. After three years of watching his teams play embarrassingly in big games, it’s obvious that he does NOT have a gift for getting his teams ready for big games that really count. They come out flat or they commit ridiculous mistakes. Once again, we gave a game away to the Giants. But, I’ve watched them do this against Philly, the Steelers, etc etc etc. Tackling is football 101. Protecting the ball while running is what running backs get paid for. It looks to me like the only player on the team who was ready to play was Tony Romo and maybe Witten. Not that the other players are bad, but they WERE NOT PREPARED by their head coach to play a clean game. The defense is Wades responsibility – they WERE NOT PREPARED to play with aggression and good technique. This team has the talent to do this, the coach is not exploiting that talent anymore. Question marks for Jason Garrett also. Also, what has happened to Marion Barber??? He’s toast.
Switzer was a great coach...LMAO!!!!!
now that is funny. Players win games my friend, players.
In Romo we Trust
They prepare the players, and should be studying the opposing coaches tendencies.
Apparantly the Giants know us inside and out, and our defense knows crap about their offense.
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
coaches prepare the players
and put them in the best position to succeed and I believe Wade and Garrett have been doing that all year.
However, they can’t block, tackle, pass, run and catch for the players, they actually have to do that on their own you know.
In Romo we Trust
It's not about the X's and O's
It’s about the Jimmys and Joes……….Barry Switzer…….
Who said that?
Barry Switzer????..The best thing he ever did was a Bud-light commercial for cry’in out loud..
So they say
You have to give him his kudos for his time at OU, they were pretty good back then. At Dallas he was just a figure head. The players were just better.
All I remember was that blank look on his face..
I don’t even think they had his headset plugged in..
lol, Dallas is the first team to win a super bowl with a airhead as head coach
a gun-toting-in-an-airport airhead at that.
He recruited extremely well
And he didn’t care what they did as long as they performed on SAT. I can’t remember how many campus assaults and rapes occurred during his tenure, but he didn’t run a tight ship, let’s just say that much.
You can't stop Patrick Crayton, you can only hope to contain him.
I think that Terry was answering to....
This part in Manhattan’s comment:
Wade is a good coach, but "good" coaches dont win Superbowls, great coaches do.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
I concur. I thought some of the criticism Wade took from the start of his tenure as the Head Coach was premature and unfair especially right after the playoff loss to the Giants. But, now this starting to become an undeniable trend of this team not stepping up to the challenge time and time again. I count just one quality win this season, when they beat Philly. Other than that game the team has beaten only weaklings. They just got swept by a division rival in a game they had to win.
I also feel as we often do every year is that we over rated the talent of this team. Barber and Felix Jones have been very average to poor recently, Martellus Bennet has been the same. Why is it that the Giants and Philly add young players every year and they have an immediate positive impact why we continue to add a bunch of JAG every year. I believe the problem lies in talent evaluation and coaching.
You guys need a GM
A wise man once said never hire a GM you can’t fire. JJ is a great owner but he really needs to step down and let a professional run the team. I think Wade is a damm good Defensive Coordinator and a so so Head Coach. Had Jerry not insisted putting T.O. on the team I am sure emprorer Parcells would have stayed and finished what he started with you guys. Love or hate Parcells (I respect the heck out of him even though he always leaves you hanging) the guy runs the show and knows how to build a team. Your talent is not overated it just needs someone to drive them so they reach their potential.
Wade from and outsiders perspective is just to laid back and does not make guys learn what they are doing out there and not just depend on their talent to get them through.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 7, 2009 9:44 AM CST up reply actions
We are every bit as talented as you.
I remember you guys whining for the firing of Coughlin.
BP leaves the team late and all potential HC canidates have been picked clean. We need a 3-4 guy because we arent starting over with our D again. You get whats available.
I dont have a problem sticking with a guy 3 years because changing coaches every 2 years has done nothing for the skins or any other team that I can think of.
KICK ASS every day!!!
Dallas and New York are mirror images of each other
Reading the complaints about the cowboys loss here, almost sounds exactly like what we complain about over a BBV after a loss. I think your right the Cowboys have just as much talent.
BP leaves every team he coaches in a bind and late, he left us late after the super bowl and after belichick took the browns job and we had to promote a guy named Ray Handly, and basically it took us 10 years to get back to relevance.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 7, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
Didn't Parcells' Cowboys teams do the exact same thing?
Last I checked he was a Super Bowl winning coach.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Meh.
Bill did a good job bringing a franchise back from the dead. He did well considering he never had a talented QB to work with until his final season. Given another year or two and the absence of T.O., I think you would have seen them compete for a title. Great coaches aren’t going to win simply by being named coach. It even took Jimmy until his 4th season to mature his team and win a title.
Cupcake inherited a talented team and let them play undisciplined football. Teams that play undisciplined football don’t win big games. Unfortunately, I’m not sure that bringing in a disciplinarian at this point saves this team given how long the vets have been allowed to go undisciplined.
I agree with your first paragraph a 100% but his team was just as undisipilined.
KICK ASS every day!!!
Fire Phillips
Coaches can also write the checks for the players to cash – How about a guarantee Wade? Put in in three inch headlines. Coaches can also dial up a trick play or two when things are going south… has there been one unexpected on-sides kick, flea flicker, fake punt or field goal in three years under the beleaguered Phillips? Coaches can present a sturdy, pensive, emotional or firery presence on the sidelines… instead Wade looks like someone took his Halloween candy. And, coaches can set high expectations, see Super Bowl. Unfortunately, Wade is content with his non-losing record as head coach, even though his resume doesn’t include a playoff win.
by Montecito Tex on Dec 7, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
even though his resume doesn’t include a playoff win.
Phillips has the Doug Flutie curse going on there.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 7, 2009 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
Good NFC East Battle
Giants fan here just wanted to say what a good game Sunday was could have gone either way. It seems like the our rivilary is really getting bigger and bigger every time the two teams play.
It's only a rivalry if both teams play their A game and it comes down to a FG.
Giants just flat out played the Cowboys. It looked like the school yard bully punched the chess nerd in the nose and the nerd just took it. Giants looked like they were ready to take on all comers last night.
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
I didn't see it like that gun
To me the Giants made the big plays but Dallas was out playing them most of the game. Hixon’s return was the straw that broke the Camal’s back if you will. I don’t know about you but when ever my team plays the Redskins Cowboys or Eagles I am nervous.
Mostly because these teams know each other so well and they all build their teams to match up against each other.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 7, 2009 8:34 AM CST up reply actions
Sorry, but I'm gonna be snippy here.
If we are built to match up in the East, then who the heck do we match up with? We don’t consistently beat any team in the East, yet for years have been consistently shoved around in critical games. Again it is only a rivalry if both teams show up with their A game and it comes down to a field goal. This game is reminiscent of the Philly finale last year except the offense showed up for this one. I’m starting to think that Wade is not even that good of a Defensive Coordinator let alone Head Coach.
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
This year....
I gotta say the Eagles are #1 right now….but wait…you guys beat the Eagles.
So that makes you guys #1? Wait…..Giants beat you guys…so that makes them #1??? No, eagles beat the hell out of them…They’re #1…
Al 3 teams are so equal its scary, even if one matches up better then the other.
Bottom line…win streaks don’t last long for one side.
Its a reason, that while I’d love to play you guys another time this year….its pretty scary as a Giants fan.
Its also why I’m looking forward to the Eagles game this week, cuz they’ve handled the Giants recently…and also scared of the Redskins game, cuz the Giants have handled them recently.
The BEast is still BEAST.
"It ain't over till its over"---
Who consistently beats us?
The Giants this year. We have swept them too. Nobody is consistently beating anyone the last 3-4 years.
KICK ASS every day!!!
exactly...
there is no such thing as consistently beating a division team, at least nowadays that it really does seem that all 4 teams are strong (yea, the Redskins can be dangerous now that they have a clue on offense).
When you’re winning a lot in a row…its reason to be scared for the revers to happen (and not a reason to gloat "how many times have we beaten you in a row??).
I enjoy that the Giants won 2 in a row…but all in all, they meet again in the playoffs, its meaningless if the Giants lose that more important one.
"It ain't over till its over"---
All I can see is the Cowboys match up talentwise with every team in the conference.
The flip side is, I also see the Cowboys not capitalizing on said talent. It just seems to me for the talent level that is supposed to be available to Wade and Garret we should be able to play better than we have.
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
So much
I hate this “we are so talented” crap. So are they. The Giants and Eagles have been just as talented and way more consistent the last 10+ years. We have split games with them almost consistently the last 4 years.
Unfortunately they have won the biggest games. I think that has less to do with talent levels as who has the biggest holes yet to be filled. We have had the biggest holes up til this year. Lets see how this plays out.
KICK ASS every day!!!
Cowboys are a good team
To me they match up quite well with the Giants, they already beat the Eagles so you can’t say they don’t match up with them and the Redskins… well they are always dangerous.
As happy as I am about sweeping the serious, let’s be real we easily could have lost both of those games.
I would not be suprised if you guys are the ones to knock the Saints off their undeafeated streak.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 7, 2009 9:30 AM CST up reply actions
Thanks, Truthfully I believe all of the teams in the Beast have a good chance to beat them in the playoffs.
I live in New Orleans area and watch most of their games. They are good and you dont want a shoot out with them but, If you can run the ball, sell out to stop the big play,and play good STs, you have a great shot. They struggle with teams that can run and they can lose patience and force some deep balls. I see someone doing to them what you guys did to the Patriots. The Beast teams are all built for that type of ball.
KICK ASS every day!!!
you guys are ignoring the real NFC danger
the Cards.
They’re better than last year, by some margin. Better run game, much better run defense and a nasty secondary.
The East gets ink. Favre has hogged ink and 12-0 gets the Saints a ton of ink — plus a vivisection of Tom Brady and the Pats in prime time — but I would not be at all surprised, not at all, if the Cards were back in the Super Bowl.
they're also what, 5-1 on the road and are a Vince Young drive from being 6-0
and they didn’t have Warner or Karlos Dansby in that game.
That’s the team that I’m watching.
yeah, I agree.....
if Warner had been in there against the Titans, I think Cardinals win. That was an impressive win last night against the Vikings. They fly under the radar because they don’t get a whole lot of media coverage. We need to keep an eye on them, but first, we just have to win ourselves.
Your right, I guess I still have his idea of them as not very good because of their history.
Yet every time I watch them they impress me. Thanks Raf, just what I need, more worries and less sleep.
Im hoping we get lucky in our playoff draw and get guys we matchup better against. Let some of the scarier teams beat up each other and take each other out.
KICK ASS every day!!!
Cards are tough
But they are beatable, Kurt Warner disapears when you get pressure on him. and their running game can be hit or miss. Meaning if it is working look out, if not they are vunerable.
They beat us this year but I would love another crack at them.
The team that scares me most are the Saints, those guys are like the Rams in the late 90’s
by Late for Dinner on Dec 7, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
not in big games/the playoffs
You pressure Warner and he has the ball out immediately to one of his top 10 wrs in stride. Pitt tried it. Philly tried it.
people forget......
Warner made Philly and Pitt pay for all their blitzes. Fitzgerald had a field day because of this
You got to hit Warner
Not saying it’s easy, but Warner wears down. Whenever we beat a good Kurt Warner team, when you start hitting him he becomes less acurate. My point is Drew Brees scares me a lot more than Kurt. Bree’s is a little bit more nimble on his feet than Kurt.
Don’t get me wrong I respect Kurt and the Cardials but when we played them I walked away feeling like we should have beaten them. i would love another crack at them in the playoffs.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 7, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
if we face them in the first round
it would take a heroic effort to win, as opposed to the East Teams. I think Minesota is a far less talented opponent and a much better matchup for us.
They have so many weapons now that beanie wells is getting more carries. Their run game is improving, they have a top flight rushing D.
Does anyone think the defense had players playing too aggressively?
I ask this because a number of the big plays were where there was a lot of pursuit but left the giants the cutback lane available for big gains. The defense did not maintain its discipline and it cost them at certain times; and I agree about the safety play. The giants used the bad play at safety to get some key conversions. I do not think that the team lacked confience or overlooked the giants; but they did not play smart football the entire game and it cost them.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
10 yards off the reciever when he catches the ball is not aggressive. It is out of position.
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
I hear the media is already blaming Romo for the Vegas trip..
Geezus..What a joke..What will they think of next?..Can’t they just cut him a break?..and I disagree about Phillips..look at his winning percentage over the years for God’s sake..Flozell Adams was key to losing the game for you guys..He plays dirty pool and the whole league knows it..What he did at the end of the half was the dumbest thing I ever saw..He single-handedly pushed our guys over the hill on defense..Talk about lighting a fire in an opponent..I admit I’m glad he did but that guy is going to cost the Cowboys down the home stretch.
Needs to take some of the defense with him too.
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
Yes indeed..
If I were you guys I’d hope he is out there now..
with Tiger
I saw a dog today. Have you seen a dog? You probably have. How was school? Was it fun? Did you get a lot of homework? Huh? Do you have any friends? Do you have a best friend? Does he have a big coat, too?
by Aaron Novinger on Dec 7, 2009 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
Austin
had a huge game too … maybe take the whole entire team and coaching staff to Vegas.
by what_the_crap on Dec 7, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
but
the media is right. if he didn’t go to Vegas, he would have thrown for 475 yards and 5 TDs. Austin would have caught 19 balls for 2,000 yards and 27 Touchdowns.
The media can bite me.
by what_the_crap on Dec 7, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
Two Observations
1. Romo looked great. He seemed more accurate on slants and crossing patterns. He has a tendency to throw behind the receivers on those, but yesterday he hit them in stride with one or two exceptions. Just an all around great game by him. And as hard as I have been on Roy Williams, I must give him some kudos too. He gets a one week reprieve on the ‘Soy’ nickname
2. Remember when Vanderjackass missed (or narrowly made) that field goal, and the cameras caught Parcells turning to one of his coaches saying “Get me a %&^#$ing kicker!” I think it is time someone says that about Folk
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
I agree. I hope Folk has invested wisely.
His next stop will be selling used cars.
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
Mentally he seems to be very good based on last year. He had offseason surgery and I just dont think he has found his groove yet.
By the way, he isnt why we lost.
KICK ASS every day!!!
no
3-5 key mistakes, one of whichhe made, is why we lost.
I don't see anybody saying that he cost the game
but his now regular misses from 40 to 49 could well cost this team a game in the very near future. None of the remaining games look like blowouts. They’re going to need the kicking game and they can’t trust it right now.
Zero holding calls against either offense last night
Anomaly, or officiating crew? NY seemed to get away with more than their share of shirt tugging.
...and you guys got away with your own.
I think Cofield has Gurode’s arm imprinted on his neck.
It was officiating crew…calling it both ways.
"It ain't over till its over"---
I won't disagree
It’d be interesting to see how that game would’ve played out had some of those obvious calls been flagged.
...we'd probably still be watching the game.......
I’m pretty much glad to heat that you guys say that the Giants O-Line were holding…cuz I thought the same of the Cowboys O-Line.
It kept Romo and Eli relatively unscathed, there was not a yellow pile of flags on the ground…and I really couldn’t tell you who the referee is…which is a good thing.
"It ain't over till its over"---
I also felt that Roy Williams was interfered with on the FG drive
It looked like he took a two-arm love tap in the back just as he was starting to reach up for the ball. An expert NBA move that Tim Duncan has perfected.
I was listening on the radio and that's what Babe Laufenburg and Sham were saying
And on his first TD catch
he grabbed Webster and threw him out of the way. Missed calls on both sides.
Homer: Aw, twenty dollars! I wanted a peanut!
Homer's Brain: Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer: Explain how!
Homer's Brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
Homer: Woo-hoo!
by bigbluethruandthru on Dec 7, 2009 8:21 PM CST up reply actions
Wrong
Webster was guilty of illegal contact in that same play, the guy had his hands on Williams before Williams made contact.
If both guys are making contact and the receiver makes the catch, they won’t call a penalty; but if the defensive player prevents the completion, they’ll throw a flag.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
Why isn't Beuhler kicking from 57?
We know Folk doesn’t have his head right, nor does he have the leg.
I was hoping to see that too.
I saw a dog today. Have you seen a dog? You probably have. How was school? Was it fun? Did you get a lot of homework? Huh? Do you have any friends? Do you have a best friend? Does he have a big coat, too?
by Aaron Novinger on Dec 7, 2009 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
I thought so too
That seemed like a great chance to use that strong leg.
You can't stop Patrick Crayton, you can only hope to contain him.
disappointing
to see our D and ST take a big step back. Really felt they, especially the D, had finally turned the corner.
"What we've got here is failure to communicate"
I agree with Romo
Watch the tape, figure out what the hell, then move on to the next. That game yesterday was just bizzare. We were all expecting our runners to go wild, they didn’t. We were all expecting our defense to stand stout, they didn’t. And we sure didn’t expect St. Camillis group to lay a turd like they did.
I’m most worried about our o-line. Nobody has mentioned anybody but Flo. How did baby Free do? I don’t have the football insights or Tivo like most of ya’ll do. Somebody please tell me what happened to our runners yesterday. Was is JG play calling or did these guys just get manhandled by better game preparation and execution?
Just becuz you put yer boots in the oven don't make it bread
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Dec 7, 2009 9:28 AM CST reply actions
its simple they loaded the box to stop the run...
that gave romo the ability to throw for almost 400 yds…they were playing alot of man coverage and romo took advantage.
Davis was terriblr in the run game.
And on the play where Barber fumbled, it was Davis who whiffed on a block BIG TIME that let Osi make the play. Otherwise that was a huge gain.
Wow, some of the things I read on here are unbelievable.
The X chromesome is exerting itself today(sorry Texsar and DC13) Bunch of emotionally charged whiners today.
Those 2 teams played a great game with good game plans. They executed those games plans.
The difference in this game to me came down to 3 plays. The fumble, the rumble and the punt return. It wasnt the refs. It wasnt Folk. It wasnt Flozell.
I have raved on here since TC about balance of the passing and the run game. One of the biggest reasons for this is when you get in the playoffs or play playoff caliber Defense, these guys can take away your strength and force you to beat them with your weakness. They did that today and the passing game was phenominal because of Romo.
The Giants sold out to stop our run game. We were not going to run on them and we didnt. Im proud that Garrett stuck with the running game as much as he did despite absolutely no room to run. Their game plan was to force Romo into patience with the passing game and make him beat them. What we should be proud of or even freaking estatic about is the fact he would have, had not been for that punt return. Dont think for a minute thats the last time this year we dont see that same defensive game plan. We will beat from here on out.
Do realize the difference between this game and the Eagle game earlier is we make a 4th and 1 stop. A shoestring tackle on McNabb and Austin deep ball for a TD. The Giants get a TO, a punt return, and a long fluky run. Thats it. The difference in the games. Not Wade and JG.
The Giants maybe played their best defensive game of the year and we score 24 on them and have 423 yards total offense. Ask any Giant fan on here what they think would have happened if Barber doesnt fumble or we get that onsides kick. They dont even want to think about it.
This team learned alot about itself and I think will come out better for it. Roy Williams has finally arrived. Romo has reached the next level. Wittens back involved. Austin is still bringing it. Jenkins looks like he could be a top 5 CB very soon.
You might be able to blame this loss on STs but I just dont think that will happen again this year. It was just the wrong game to have a bad STs game. Dont worry, we have a couple of good STs games still to come.
KICK ASS every day!!!
Decoding Garret in two easy steps:
10 INPUT "Offensive Formation"; F
20 IF F="Non Shotgun" THEN PRINT "8 in the box"
30 IF F="Shotgun" THEN PRINT "Blitz"
40 GOTO 10
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 7, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
and the giants gameplan...
while (scandrick.isOutOfPosition()) manning.passTo(smith);
Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain. Let your opponent graze your skin and you smash into his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life. Do not be concerned with escaping safely - lay your life before him. - Bruce Lee
as for flozell...
timeRemainingInHalf > 0 ? flozell.block() : flozell.pushToGroundFromBehind();
Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain. Let your opponent graze your skin and you smash into his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life. Do not be concerned with escaping safely - lay your life before him. - Bruce Lee
No problem Squid
I’m convinced beyond dispute that “whining” is gender neutral, lol
Just becuz you put yer boots in the oven don't make it bread
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Dec 7, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
Eli certainly didn't look confident at the end
" The Giants maybe played their best defensive game of the year and we score 24 on them and have 423 yards total offense. Ask any Giant fan on here what they think would have happened if Barber doesnt fumble or we get that onsides kick. They dont even want to think about it."
That sideline shot of Eli didn’t say to me " we beat them"
It was more, thanks guys for bailing me out with 2 big plays we won’t see again this season.
honestly, eli didn't play fantastic, but he played well
we blitzed the crap out of him, he made a ton of really good throws off his back foot. He is pretty elusive – he is quitely solid in terms of pocket mobility.
I wish we would put Tnew on Steve Smith man up all game.
No matter where he goes. I know this might make vomit in your mouths but when we assign him to the other Steve Smith he delivers. I cant help but think if he knows when they hand out the game plans that he is to be Smiths shadow that he can deliver. All he has to do that week is prepare for Smith. Nothing but film on him and total focus. Wade can give him some help here and there but not let the Giants dictate the matchups they want Smith in.
Stop Smith last night and its half of the passing game and a third of the offense. Play him physical and hit that bastard every time he crosses the line of scrimmage. I think Tnew delivers in that situation.
KICK ASS every day!!!
its easier said than done....
I think I wrote it in the “cut scandrick thread”…but Steve Smith will get his no matter what.
Even in the Denver game, where he was pretty much shut down, he had 7 catches for 71 yards.
Its more of a get pressure on Eli type thing.
Eli has any sort of time, he’s gonna find Steve cuz he’s uncoverable.
"It ain't over till its over"---
and that's why da G-Men's Steve Smith is on my fantasy team...
it was tough when he dropped that pass in the end zone.
on the one hand (da Cowboys’ fan side of me), i’m like, “NO!”
but on the other hand (da fantasy football team side of me), “but if he snags that pass, it’s more pts for my squad.”
and that’s reason #174 why having a favorite NFL team while playing fantasy football leads to numerous cases of bi-polar disorders amongst fans like me.
Is playing smart too much to ask?
Ironic
Of all the great players on the USC teams a few years ago Steve Smith is turning into the best professional of them all.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 7, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
LOL
I have Romo on my fantasy team, yesterday was like Xmas for me!
by Late for Dinner on Dec 7, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
I mean...
he shouldn’t be WIDE open like he was at times….
but even when you put someone on him, the guy just knows how to get open.
"It ain't over till its over"---
You can stop anyone in this league if you want to. I love Smiths game but he not a top 5 guy.
We dont have to stop him. Just slow him down. He is the guy thats killing us.
KICK ASS every day!!!
that's what I mean.
Unstoppable? No.
But Steve Smith will get his. Rarely will he have a 1 or 2 catch day.
But your just not gonna be able to stop him by not overcommiting, and that could open up more.
Top 5 in the league?
Not sure…but his #’s say he deserves to be in the convo at least.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 7, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
I dont think putting Tnew on him and Wade mixing in some double teams is over committing.
The guy is killing us and what we are doing is not working. Tnew seems to play his best when he gets an assignment like that. Allowing you guys to set the match up for him just isnt working for us. He was half of your passing game and a third of your offense. We stop 2 third down passes to him and its a different game. Tnew ought to be able to do better than what I saw. I know he toasted Tnew on some plays but if that was his only assignment I think we would have faired better. Allowing Ball(incidently our 4th CB converted to FS) was ddddduuuummmmbbbb of us and it cost us 40 yards. That absolutely needs to stop happening on that guy.
KICK ASS every day!!!
I didn't mean that...
I’m saying, while Newman probably would’ve at least covered Smith on many of those…even he couldn’t really stay with him in Game 1, cuz when I reviewed that one, Newman was actually on him a lot.
..so I dunno why you say Newman, Smith had a better game in the first go round, mostly against Newman.
Im ’saying overcommit, meaning teams are gonna have to start shading coverage to Smith.
He’s just so quick that he can’t be single covered.
When teams start realizing they have to double team him…they’ll overcommit (which….hopefully , would result in chances downfield to HAM and Nicks)
"It ain't over till its over"---
TNew did get him some but I remember Scandrick getting toasted.
i would like to a little less than a 10 yard cushing. I would like us to treat him as number 2 in catches and yards instead of a guy who gets lucky now and then.
I
KICK ASS every day!!!
The NYG Smith...
… is a great route-runner
… has usually reliable pass-catching hands
… is your classic possession receiver who keeps da chains moving
Smith kinda reminds me of Wes Welker, but without the blazing speed.
Is playing smart too much to ask?
a little
welker is kinda different though, at least in the pats offense. Welker is almost like the running option when they want – smith is more of a complete receiver.
agree.
Welker gets most all his catches on slants, and WR screens.
Smith runs Slants, but rarely if ever runs screens (he normally doesn’t like YAC—I used to rip on him cuz as soon as he catches the ball, he gets paralyzed and falls down…at least last year).
But yea, Smith goes downfield a lot, much more than Welker.
He’d be considerd more of a deep threat if A) When Eli is on the money with the deep ball (about 80% of the ones to Smith, normally ), he’d actually catch it …or B) like yesterday, Eli throws a duck.
"It ain't over till its over"---
I hope this team moves on from this quickly...
they’re playing 3rd best team (IMHO) in football this Sunday.
The 2009 Dallas Cowboys: Talk to me in December.
The NFC East has won 11 Super Bowls; oddly none of those have come courtesy of the Eagles.
they need to split the next 2 if not there in big big trouble
Losing 3 in a row going into the last 2 division games will be asking alot from this team….They absolutely must win 1 of the next 2 imo….
I have no fear of the Chargers. We are evenly matched and we are at home.
Just gotta hold serve at home and sneak one road win and we are in.
KICK ASS every day!!!
There was discussion from the last game thread
that this might be a combo of scheme and/or specific squads, what’s your opinion on that?
Just becuz you put yer boots in the oven don't make it bread
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Dec 7, 2009 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
Honestly I cannot figure it out
They practice against a 3-4 daily….I do not get it
yea
it very well could be that denver and gb are just tough matchups.
I mean letsbe real – we are not a good rushing team. We haven’t been one aside from hat 4-5 game stretch from the end of last year to the giants game this year. GB and Denver had the secondary players and pass rush to shut us down.
San Diego may ave both, at one time they had both, I honestly can’t say if they do now since i have’t watched a single game since week 1.
actually SD and NO don't stop the run that well
so we could run on them if Garrett makes that a point of emphasis to keep those offenses off the field.
In Romo we Trust
Charger are not that good
I agree withyou squid, Chargers beat us on the last play and kudo’s to them, but they are not scary at all. the guy who call’s himself LT (only one LT in my book and he played defense) is slowing down. Chargers offense will do some damage, but their Defense I can see Romo having a huge day on them. Merriman is all hype at this point, and their D line can be run on.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 7, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
There is only one LT.
I think they are good and they seem to no how to win late but their game is not one we should struggle with. We seem to do better with bigger WRs than the shifty guys like Smith.
Manning is hard as hell to sack this year and we were close a lot. Your line has struggled some this year but when they are on they are as good as any and they played well in pass protection. I think we can get to him. Did you guys get good pressure.
KICK ASS every day!!!
what's amazing about Rivers
he has never lost in the month of Dec. I find that an incredible statistic(14-0). Also, Manning is getting rid of the ball pretty quickly these days. Unfortunately, I was correct when I told some on here last week to be careful when they were bragging about how we were going to bury the Giants. I knew this was going to be a knock down drag out.
I missed the second half but I’m glad I did because I didn’t have to watch Brandon Jacobs score. His comments were on the front page of our Sports Section this morning “it’s the biggest play of my career. It’s extra special against Dallas. That’s absolutely a team I can’t stand. I’ve been hating Dallas ever since I knew anything about football.” Don’t know about you, but I can’t stand the guy.
Me neither but take solace in the fact that he is an idiot.
39 yards on 13 carries and a fluky pass play where no one was on that side of the field.
KICK ASS every day!!!
Brandon Jacobs
I love Brandon, but I see your point if Patrick Crayton scored some big play’s on us I would have kicked a hole in my wall. I can’t stand him.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 7, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
I see your point too.......
on any given Sunday, he gets bashed pretty badly by Dallas fans as well. He definitely has a mouth on him, but (admittedly I’m biased) he’s not as annoying as Jacobs. He’s one of the biggest trash talkers out there imo.
I live up the road from Napoleonville and know a few guys that know him.
They told me he was an idiot.
KICK ASS every day!!!
Rivers is a very imobile QB
Yeah, in fact Terrell Thomas Intercepted Rivers with about 3 mins left in the game and returned it to the 5 yard line. We get a holding call and our coaches went soft and played for the field goal instead of the game winning TD.
Rivers it very accurate and Vincent Jackson is a beast, and to me that Sproles guy is a lot more scary than Thomlinson at this point.. Of course Gates is always Gates and will make plays… Basically the Chargers offense will put up points. I’m sure you remember their HC and he will definitly dial up some plays your not expecting.
Thier Defense I don’t think will match up that well with you guys, however you got to get the running game going because you don’t want to get into a shoot out with them.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 7, 2009 11:18 AM CST reply actions
Thanks,
I remember the field position BS Coughlin went with and actually felt bad for you guys. I felt like sending Coughlin the Herm Edwards speech about “you play the game to win.”
KICK ASS every day!!!
LMAO
I knew as soon as he did that we were losing that game!
by Late for Dinner on Dec 7, 2009 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
Need to use the "Hurry Up" Offense earlier in big games like this!
Once again we saw the Hurry Up Offense used effectively and rendering points in the 4th quarter — After we struggled to move the ball all game. In big games like this — I’d like to see Romo in the Hurry Up to start the game once and awhile. This will get his adrenaline flowing, get everybody’s blood pumping — and should throw the defense off. We need to make an effort to get up 2 scores by halftime every game!
they didn't struggle to move the ball early
they moved very well on the opening drive. Then Martellus dropped an easy 3rd and 2 catch at the Giants 30.
Hurry up won’t make his concentration any more focused.
I wonder if Cincinnati will return with their offer after the season if they feel a TE can get their offense over the top next year.
I’d flip him for sure. I like him, but this is a D-lineman rich draft and I’d love two 1st rounders in the last third.
the last third of the round.
then, you have two picks to scratch your itches.
DL
OT
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To get two here would be a huge boost to the team.
and to think some were so high on him
in the pre-season they were annointing him and kinda making it sound like Witten was dispensable. How do those same feel now?
I remember a comment or a fanpost that said that Bennett should push to get himself off the team
because he is selling his career short to be a starter because witten is going to still be a viable TE for the next 3-4 years.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
goes to show.......
big difference in pre-season and regular season right? Also, you know the other thing that was happening in pre-season that has been flying under the radar some? It became pretty obvious yesterday because we lost and that is the fact that (we were doing the same thing in pre-season guys) we put up all these huge chunks of yards moving up and down the field but we can’t score. I mean, take a closer look at it. We dominated time of possession and total yards yet we still lose. I know there were a couple of plays like Jacobs and Hixson, but when you dominate a team like we did, you should be able to score and win.
Ummm, back then I was blamed of doing such a thing
But, all I ever said about him is this:
He’s faster than Witten, is a better jumper, has soft hands and a really good blocker. He lacks Witten’s head and thoughness.
Which is true, the guy looks capable of becoming an Antonio Gates kind of pass catching TE combined with the blocking of Witten, but he has a 5 cents head and he isn’t as though as he should be with his size.
It’s likely that he won’t ever live up to his potential.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
sad but true........
hey, I wasn’t speaking about anyone in particular. I just find it amazing that a lot of fans turn with the wind and like every little shiny new toy and are ready to throw aside the old toy(Witten’s not exactly old btw.)
Witten
He could play on my team any day. Bennett will have his day but it will probably be in another city.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 7, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
unfortunate...
but not the end of the season…
yes, we could have taken a stranglehold on the division with a win but we did not, division games regardless of how good or bad the teams are are usually unpredictable…
I am sure we are capeable of winning two of the next three and then having the division come down to the game at home against the Eagles.
And, if it’s for all the marbles like it was last year, we need to prove we can play big in big games, if we don’t play well, like last year, we don’t need to be in the playoffs anyway…
i think we are still looking at 10 and 6 or 11 and 5
we will come out swinging at home vs the Chargers, N.O. will be very tough, by the time we get to the Redskin game they will be tired and their season is over (not saying they will lay down, but i don’t think they will be on top of their game, like they were vs. the Saints this past weekend) then it’s the Eagles for the division…
I think you meant...
realistic. Optimism at Valley Ranch has gotten Wade real far.
I would love to see 11-5 but thats just not realistic
not with the teams they have left, NO is for sure a loss, against SD they would have to play a near perfect game in at least 2 of 3 game sectors, the skins are not longer a dog, and the Eagles who are much like the Boys, you never know what you will get, are the best hope for a win in the last 4
noones for sure a loss
the saints have just barely beat 4-5 teams this year. If we have the ball at the end of the game with a chance to win like so many of their oponents have had, i like out chances.
I’m not saying we should go 4-0 or anything, but at this point we’re all just guessing.
Flozell might be suspended..!
The 2009 Dallas Cowboys: Talk to me in December.
The NFC East has won 11 Super Bowls; oddly none of those have come courtesy of the Eagles.
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The 2009 Dallas Cowboys: Talk to me in December.
The NFC East has won 11 Super Bowls; oddly none of those have come courtesy of the Eagles.
The most frustrating part about the loss for me are the guys in the trenches.
When it comes to our division, I consider our team a finesse team because of the way we match-up. Earlier in the year when the weather is warmer, we can typically finesse our wins. When it’s cold, less traction, less girth, the teams in our division are more physical with us at the lines and we don’t do well at all.
Ratliff doesn’t do well against the G-men because Snee handles him one on one and moves him backwards rather nicely when the G-men run the ball. Check out the replay of the G-men when Jaobs ran it in from the two. Rat was driven back quickly to the goal line one on one and Jacobs ran right behind Snee into the endzone. When Snee went out yesterday, they doubled Rat. You take away the one nice play Rat had yesterday causing the fumble (angle penetration) and that’s about all he did. Spears, Osh and Rat had a grand total of ONE tackle yesterday. Rat is a great angle rusher, but when you can square up the pads on him you can move him backwards or stop his penetration all together vs. the O-lines in our division.
I can’t remember the last time our D-line manhandled the O-line in a divsion game, but I keep seeing our division opponents winning the war in the trenches more times than not when it’s a must win game or the game has more importance and usually it’s in the latter portion of the year.
My eye test tells me that we need to have an infusion of big mean physical guys on both sides (O-line and D-line) so that we can win a few more battles there. Our finesse defense hardly ever wins in the trenches in December. Time to start drafting guys to go against our division opponents. I know it’s easier said than done, but that’s a constant I keep seeing over and over.
I thought we won some battles and lost some battles. The sign of both having good lines.
The Giants are ranked 7th in the league in total offense. Despite their recent struggles their offense has never stopped moving the ball. We held them to 100 yards rushing(we average giving up 102.7) and 16 yards was credited to Boss on that near sack.(that was a handoff?!)We also held them below their average offensive output. Nobody was blown out in the trenches.
On offense we average 394 ypg. Yeah I know thats because we fluff our average on lesser teams. Yet we had over 420yards against their inspired D playing at home. You need to rethink your definition of dominate.
It was a great , hard fought game. Sometimes the bad guys win.
Your “eye test” tells me you need a new eye test.
KICK ASS every day!!!
G-men rushed for 86 yards on 20 carries. A 4.6 yard average is a little too good compared to our
pathetic 45 yards on 23 carries for a 1.95 yard average. I’m sure we would’ve been happy with a 4.6 average. That’s twice the production with fewer carries. The only reason they didn’t go over our allowed average was because we had the ball a lot more than they did. 46 plays by G-men vs. our 78 plays.
Go up to the top of this thread and view the video where Jacobs scores from the two. “Nobody was blown out in the trenches”???, that my friend is Rat getting blown off the ball when it’s vital he hold his ground and that happened one on one. One tackle from the front 3 the entire game and a lack of push consistently in the middle isn’t getting the job done.
I know what I see and that’s the guy’s in the trenches on both sides of the ball not winning their battles. On offense this causes us to throw it 55 times and on D, it causes us to devote more bodies to stop the run opening up that passing game. The G-men have a very good O-line and Philly has the largest line in the NFL and we play them every year in December. We just don’t match up well against them when it gets physical. Hell we don’t match up against anyone at years end when it gets physcial. It starts with the guys in the trenches. Wade likes his NT to be quick and nimble and there’s a benefit to that, but the downside is when it gets cold/wet and traction is less, having less girth won’t enable you to push or hold ground not to mention that he’s probably not as strong as when the season started. You want a 3-4 defense that goes up against good lines like the ones in our division without robbing Peter to pay Paul, you must have a BIG body in the middle that plays with an attitude. Rat has the attitude, just not the size. Don’t get me wrong, I like Rat, but I only like him for the first 75% of the season, the other 25% (December) we need a BIG nasty that won’t be moved around.
I remember stuffing the Eagles line 2-3 times on 3rd and 1, 4th and 1.
They stopped the run because they overcommited to the run daring us to beat them with the pass. We did make them pay with the pass but 3 plays made the difference.
The reason they didnt run more play is we made them kick after shorter drives. Jacobs average 3 yards a carry. Bradshaw had carries of 7 carries for 48 yards. 3 of his carries went for minus yards. He had 1 carry of 29 from the shot gun on their 1st scoring drives. He had another for 16 from the shot gun. Almost all of his yards came from 2 carries when we where playing the pass 1st.
We also shut Jacobs ass and the run game last game too. He had one carry for about 30 and the rest for next to nothing.
Picking one goal line play as your example of us sucking is weak. We are ranked in the top third on rush D.
KICK ASS every day!!!
Never said we suck. Those are your words.
I am refering to our division on how we match up. You keep throwing stats about how we’re ranked. I don’t care how high we are ranked because of games played prior to December. When we play games within our division in the month of December we aren’t typically protecting Romo, nor are we getting much pressure without bringing the house. Fact is, we havn’t done very well on both sides of the lines in the month of December when our division foes come to play us.
And I’m not drawing my conclusion off one play. It’s several years of not getting it done in the month of December as it relates to our division. Perhaps you think both lines play has been up to your standards, I on the other hand believe differently.
When you say someone dominates us, I take it to mean we suck. Sucky teams get dominated.
We usually split games with the rest of the guys in the NFC East. We win some early and we win some late. The blow outs we have been involved in usually are the results of many TOs. 5 TOs against Pitt and Philly last year. We were actually beatin Pitt until STs and a pick for a TD changed the game. We also had a 20 point swing in the game against Philly( The 2 TOs after the half were inside of their 20 when we could have at least kick 2 FGs for us but instead were returned for 2 TDs for them)
My problem with your post is I see another chicken little running around after a loss screaming we (sky is falling)suck. You said they dominated us but clearly you werent even close to the truth. So then you do the double reverse and start talking about last several years and getting dominated. Lets worry about this years team. Its a different team. Lots of new guys and way less bad character.
The most optimistic preseason prediction by a qualified poster had us at 11-5. Most of us thought 9-7 to 10-6. We seem to be right on track. A few big plays and some luck we might get 11-5 though 10-6 seems more likely. If you think we suck and have no chance then come back next year. Please dont tell me you love the Cowboys. If you loved your family like that they would leave you.
Enjoy the ride man!
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KICK ASS every day!!!
Squido
Never once did I say they dominated us. Go back and re-read. I don’t think we suck at all, those are your words not mine. I’m just saying that we don’t match up very well in the trenches vs. our division oponents to play a consistent 60 minutes of hard nosed football. We might win some games, but it’s not because we dominated from the D-line consistently. Just because I want a few things to change doesn’t make me a bad fan.
And don’t tell me how little I love my Cowboys. I’ve been a huge fan for over 40 years. I may yell at my children for something I percieve as wrong, but that doesn’t mean I don’t love them. You must be 12 years old acting in the manner you have. Leave my family out of the blog discussions. I don’t appreciate it at all. Grow up! I’ve always been respectful on this blog and have enjoyed reading manny discussions including yours. Your conclusion on what I typed is jaded and dis-respectful. Your better than that.
That was one we had to win.
The way I had it figured, we needed to win against two of our lesser remaining opponents… NY and Washington. I see us with one more sure W, after that it’s slim pickins. Philly seems to own us in December as of late. New Orleans, well their record speaks for itself. San Diego is looking like the Steelers (08 version) of the AFC West. All we have left to do is hope the boys will beat a better opponent than they just lost to yesterday. No small task there.
Why in the world they can’t collectively man up against a division rival like the Giants with the stakes like they were yesterday, just baffles me. Every time I think this team has finally “got it”, they revert back to stupidity and heartlessness. No will to win in yesterdays game at all.
I would like to say to Mike Jenkins, you are The Man. If we had two more DB’s like you, we would have one heckuva defense. But unfortunately, we have Terence “I’m gonna play 15 yards off my man no matter if they’re inside my 15 yard line or not” Newman. And, we have Orlando “still hasn’t shown up for his second pro year” Scandrick. At least Jenkins gives us something in the secondary to build off of.
And Nick Folk… why don’t you and Mike Vanderjagt have a field goal duel. The loser jumps off a cliff and the winner gets to play for a AFL2 team. Way to choke week after week, Nick.
Finally, maybe the good thing from all of this is that at this rate, Wade will be in the unemployment line at seasons end.
trying to be optimistic here.......
just remember the year the Giants won the Super Bowl, we swept them too. As far fetched as it seems now, it could happen if we get our act together NOW.
actually its funny you mention that
There is an old adage in the league thats it’s extremely difficult to beat a team 3 times in one season, so I wouldn’t mind at all playing the GMen again the playoffs for that reason and the fact Romo usually plays well against them.
In Romo we Trust
and make Jacobs shut his yapper.........
that could/would be an awesome sight wouldn’t it?
OH YES
That would be so great, I want to play them again. If we do, it means we crossed the finish line. At least a finish line.
I am really hopeful about our offense though. Tony is looking more and more poised back there, not rattled at all, and you could tell yesterday after the game that while he was disappointed, he didn’t blame himself, you could tell from him demeanor and body language.
Just becuz you put yer boots in the oven don't make it bread
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Dec 7, 2009 3:29 PM CST reply actions
Blogging in from Poland
thanks for the greaty write up Raf. Helps me understand what happened and why. I fear the defense’s up and down play. If they aren’t ready for prime time, this team isn’t either. Time for another Tyskie Beer….
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
Well, he's on the other side of the world
I wouldn’t be surprized if he couldn’t see the game… Seeing a game at 3am on Monday is a bad recipee to start a week… Especially with the kind of game that was played….
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
This is bizarre
I just watched the game on TV. And get this… some dude calling the game in Polish did a better job than Joe Buck. Who knew you had to travel across the globe to come up with that little tidbit??
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
Argghh, Tyskies a' taskies.
Over and out.
I saw a dog today. Have you seen a dog? You probably have. How was school? Was it fun? Did you get a lot of homework? Huh? Do you have any friends? Do you have a best friend? Does he have a big coat, too?
by Aaron Novinger on Dec 7, 2009 9:30 PM CST up reply actions
Aha!
This loss is all because Dunkman left the USA.
Get back here before Sunday dude.
You can't stop Patrick Crayton, you can only hope to contain him.
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