What You Get for Waking Up in Vegas
by Montecito Tex on Dec 7, 2009 12:06 PM CST
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The 2009 season for the Dallas Cowboys was lost the second Tony Romo boarded that plane to Las Vegas. Not even one day after Thanksgiving - a time when Romo historically pursues other warm-weather interests, the best quarterback never to win a playoff game sent a message to the entire team... it's OK to take time off during the most important stretch of season. And on Sunday, Keith Brooking, Marion Barber, the special teams, Nick Folk, the coaching staff, and other Cowboys all followed his lead.
And, for the second time in three years, the beleaguered Wade Phillips let this high-profile excursion happen on his watch. Dressed like the Pillsbury dough boy, Phillips continues to let the inmates run the asylum and will be looking for work in four weeks. Sporting a persona best described as part Joe Bfstplk and part deer in the headlights, Phillips has become Kevin Gilbride's personal whipping post. It's embarrasing see the dour Wade Phillips on the sidelines.
Phillips should be fired today. Bringing back Wade and expecting different results in December was a poor decision to begin with. He couldn't motivate cheerleaders on Red Bull, clearly doesn't set Super Bowl goals, and is way too content with his winning record as head coach; although, like Romo, he's never won a playoff game. The Cowboys need a personality who can lead as the makeup of this team is flawed from the inside, which has been proven time and time again. Successfull teams can't have a soft quarterback AND a soft coach... make the switch now before the annual meltdown is complete.
Then again, if tossing away another football season to help out a few Vegas strip club charities is the worst thing to happen, then it's probably been a good year in retrospect. Hell, Wade has another "non-losing season" to hang his hat on. Unbelievalbe... if only people would listen to Tex's alarm bells.
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Tex… you got a shaving cream pie to the face when Romo responded with a huge game yesterday. Your initial premise to sound the alarm bells was an abject failure. Yet you nevertheless continue to suggest his frolic and detour in Vegas led to the ST and defensive problems yesterday? Take your sensationalism elsewhere…
I was just thinking
that if the defense and special teams had gone to Vegas, too, maybe they would have played as well as Romo and Austin.
If going to Vegas helped Romo produce one of his best games ever
I think Wade should have made it mandatory that the whole team go to Vegas last week, not only Tony and we could be 9-3 right now.
Wade is simply too tough on this team.
In Romo we Trust
No…Romo should have arranged for the team to go. Yet another glaring example of an abject failure to lead…
by Boundforbeach on Dec 7, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
agreed
The two guys who visited Vegas played lights out.
I hate to say it, but I might agree that Wade needs to go. Wade just might have just have bad luck, but bad things happen to Wade in Dec. and Jan. He is a great DC, but his luck as a HC terrible. I know he has them ready, but execution seems to slip.
You can’t tell me they didn’t know SSmith was going to be in the slot? BTW-When SSmith start breaking tackles and trucking people?
He didn’t know Hixon is a great return guy.
The Jacobs run was fluke and a missed call-These things always happen against us, instead of for us.
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as Parcells used to say......
dumb players make dumb plays. I’m leaning towards it too, that maybe Wade needs to go which is sad, because on a personal note, I like Wade. He’s a good guy and I think he takes a lot of criticism unfairly. These same players were playing for Parcells. They didn’t listen to him either. Apparently, these players don’t think they have to listen to either type or they are just not as good as everyone hypes them to be.
you're right texstar
It’s definitely the players, I guarantee this bunch would play the same way under Landry or Johnson, if some fans don’t believe that, it’s because they want a scapegoat and usually the HC is your best whipping boy, unless the qb isn’t playing lights out.
In Romo we Trust
Is it the players?
I’m still going with Jerry. He undermines any authority that any coach has. Do you think if they were playing bad (which they aren’t) do you think Jerry would allow Wade to bench Demarcus Ware or Ratliff like Osi was benched this week?
that is true.........
and unfortunately for Wade, Jerry hired Jason Garrett before Wade. Not too many coaches would tolerate (or allow) the GM(owner) to hire his staff for him. On the other hand, how much authority did Parcells really have? We really don’t know do we?
I think at first he had the hammer.
But after a couple of years Jerry couldn’t stand it any more and stuck his nose back in as deep as ever.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
and as long as Jerry is alive
no HC for the Cowboys will really have the type of authority you’re talking about.
Like it or not, thats something Cowboys fans just simply have to learn to deal with because it’s not changing anytime soon.
In Romo we Trust
sad but true on this rainy day here.........
the only type of coach that would ever coach the Boys is an ego-less type like Wade. Therefore, if you fire Wade, there’s slim pickins of good coaches. Last time I checked the Shanahans,Cowhers,Grudens all want to run the show.
very true
The irony is if Jerry fires Wade after the season, he’ll hire somebody with his same personality, thats what is hysterical about the whole “Wade must go” ranting by certain fans.
In Romo we Trust
maybe so
but Wade’s has the talent and it has underperfomred. Even good Ole Norv Turner has some playoff W’s.
LIke I said it may not be Wade’s fault, but I think a change in leadership is needed if we fall short again.
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Does it really matter Wmillion?
The problem isn’t the coaches we keep firing or keep quitting on us. The problem is the ownership undermining the authority of the coaches.
that I agree is the problem
I am taking a wait and see with Wade. If he can get his D to play consistent, we will be in the playoffs. The O is ready, Romo is ready, and JG is calling a good game.
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these aren't the same players..
Why you guys continue to say these are the same players is beyond me. Felix, Choice, Austin, Tellus, and Roy. Our starting WR’s didn’t start for Parcells.
On D Rat wasn’t starting, Spencer wasn’t starting, Brookings wasn’t here, our whole secondary is different except Newman. Our Kicker is different.
These are Wade’s guys..
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But regardless
They’re making the same mistakes that the “Parcells Guys” made when he was here
So it makes the point even more relevant, if it’s different players and coaches…why is the same dumb things happening?
I don't think Wade is upgrade over Parcell's at head coach.
I think we can upgrade the HC position and get better results. I would love for Wade to take Dick Labeau type role as DC here. Career DC, pay him well, and let him coach the D.
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He is not an upgrade
But it doesn’t matter. Jerry’s 1 experiment with a coach that isn’t a ‘yes man’ didn’t work the way he wanted it to. It won’t happen again.
never say never!
They said Jerry would never cut TO.
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when we were 2 and 2 and ppl wanted WP head
I’ve read that if or when JJ changes coaches he will not go for a strong willed, high profile one
Because its not
You have bought into this stupid curse business. Look, we had bad teams for many years. That explains a december losing season.
Romo’s fumble of the snap was a fluke (but it is lumped in with all this other business).
Last year’s meltdown was horrible and cannot be defended, but it has nothing to do with anything from previous years or this year (unless the team allows it to psychologically).
Injuries, controversies and inexperience hurt us the last few years. But it is nothing that doesn’t happen in life. Its time to move and and focus on the next game, not Decembers of the past.
"Right after the game, say as little as possible."
- Tom Landry
Everyone quotes parcells like he is some genius.
Look back at all those december records that every news outlet keeps flashing: He was there for some of those woeful decembers too.
Let’s settle down and see how we play out this season. In my opinion, we should win 3 of the next 4. If we do that, we will be in a position to do some things. If we can’t beat the Eagles and Skins, then all this talk about Phillips needing to go will gain some validity.
"Right after the game, say as little as possible."
- Tom Landry
When it comes to smith
I think we’ve just gotta give the guy his due. Our players on a one on one level look completely incapable of covering him. I don’ think its scheme.
that's what's strange about the guy......
he’s not even fast so I don’t understand why we leave him open in the middle of the field. It’s got to be blown coverages because our guys have the speed to keep up with him.
runs great routes and catches everything..
good point Foyesboys, I am sure they planned on stopping Smiles, but couldn’t.
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It's scheme
Every big catch he made was away from Jenkins. What blows in this situation is how Newman has regressed. Scandrick is a joke, and once we even had Ball covering him. That’s scheme.
Let's settle down
It wasn’t one of his best games ever. He missed a crucial pass to RW at a crucial time. Moreover, that early pass to Witten could have very well been a pick. He had a solid game, but let’s settle down on everything. The people saying the Boys are doomed, and the people saying Romo played like a god all need to settle down.
Frankly, I wish he didn’t go to Vegas. But at the end of the day, the team needs to man up and play ball and win. That’s it.
"Right after the game, say as little as possible."
- Tom Landry
lol!
If 400 yards, completion % of 70 and 3 TDs is only solid, what the hell is your definition of really good??
In Romo we Trust
RW pass would have swung the momentum enormously,
ironicly as somebody pointed out it was a product of a disciplined Romo, when he wanted to throw the ball the defender was up there, so he desided to throw it away, than the defender fell, if it was an old gunslinging Romo he would’ve forced the ball and the gamble would have payed off
This is a non-issue
Romo had his best day as a Cowboy after his trip to Vegas.
Stop finding reasons to hate Romo, please.
2009 Dallas Cowboys: 10-6
2009 New York Jets: not 11-5 :(
2009-2010 Dallas Mavericks: 57-25
This bit is old
At some point, we’ll start ignoring this troll. Tex, you’re reaching in a major and desperate way this morning.
Tony Romo's performance did not affect yesterday's loss
- Nick Folk didn’t go to Vegas (2 missed FGs)
- Marion Barber didn’t go to Vegas (1 fumble lost that led to 7 pts)
- Anthony Spencer and Gerald Sensabaugh didn’t go to Vegas (poor tackling on the Brandon Jacobs 74-yd catch and run TD)
- The Special Teams didn’t go to Vegas (allowed that game-sealing punt return for a TD)
If all of those players mentioned above had gone to Vegas with Romo, maybe they would’ve played as well as #9 — and we would’ve won.
Just a theory…
Is playing smart too much to ask?
What's so funny about this post.......
all you guys complain about Tex and how he needs to shut up but you can’t help yourself by responding to his comments can you? LOL. BTW, I guess I’m guilty as well because I responded too. See, that’s how it goes. You get everyone excited and bothered and before you know it, you post a comment. Kinda silly when you think about it, because that’s exactly what Tex is trying to do. Way to go Tex. Mission accomplished. We fell into your trap.
I know people won't like me saying this.......
but I find it funny because I don’t take it seriously like some do. What’s so funny is you can always count on Tex to say something and the same ones (not you) can always be counted on to defend Romo till death. It’s actually very funny to me as though Romo needs defending.
I'm
right there with ya. Dude threw for almost 400 yards and 3 scores. He doesn’t need defending.
Yesterday’s loss had nothing to do with Vegas, Romo, or Austin. I don’t take anything he says seriously as well. But he can be quite entertaining sometimes.
the only thing I haven't figured out yet......
is Tex really a Cowboys fan or just someone that likes to stir the pot a little? Either way,I think he has accomplished what he sets out to do which is stir up controversy.
Romo and the Yips
Tony Romo led another losing effort. Period. When a play had to be made under pressure, and with Roy Williams streaking wide open for a TD with 4 minutes to play, the Yips returned and Van de Velde ditched one into the water, again. Romo can throw up stats all he wants, but when it come to setting the tone as a leader of this team, or performing in the clutch, the ball slips right through his small hands.
putting this loss on romo is just ridiculous....wtf u watching
special teams….barber fumble…Defense lost this game not romo’s play…get ur head out of ur a$$…
whoa......
I’m not trying to get into an argument with you, sorry if I offended you but you sound a little emotional right now. I was just being sarcastic in my weird sense of humor.
no offense taken
Just a tad frustrated to say the least..I will be fine by wed…Takes me a few days
okay, cool.........
I actually didn’t get to see the second half because my son had a high school football banquet. I’m actually glad that I missed it, because I would be as frustrated as you today. I looked at my phone for periodic updates and when I saw the final score I said, forget this, let’s have some fun and enjoy high school football.
At least try to sound contrite
What’s going on with your play? Where’s that chip on your shoulder? You were a fifth-round pick, and now you’re showing us why. Son, I am disappoint.
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by accidental innuendo on Dec 7, 2009 5:30 PM CST up reply actions
Ever throw a touch pass on the run Tex?
they ain’t the easiest passes…and I’m sure Drew Henson has missed a few in his day. Romo completed 75% of his passes, many drilled downfield in tight spots under intense pressure. The missed pass to Williams wasn’t Jackie Smith. Williams probably would have dropped it anyway.
I seriously doubt we win the game any way if he hits RW
I guarantee the defense would have allowed the GMen to drive right down the field like they did all day after we scored.
Tex is simply a Romo hater and will say anything negative he possibly can about him or find anything to pin the loss on him.
Sad really if he is indeed a Cowboys fan like he claims.
In Romo we Trust
not really disagreeing with you, but it would have been nice if that pass had been on target and Roy cold have jogged into the end zone
It would have increased the Cowboys chances of winning, and would have been another stpe towards getting Roy and ROmo on the same page, which is taking way too long
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
they were on page alot yesterday
I think if we make a playoff push, Romo to RW will be just fine heading into January.
In Romo we Trust
that's why I'm not giving up on Roy yet...........
the same ones that wanted Bennett over Witten have been wanting Roy off the team saying that he’s garbage. Not me. I’m still hoping.
I never wanted Bennett over Witten. I am just getting tired waiting for Roy to do something on a consistent basis
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
Sean.......
I know where you’re coming from about Roy. Since I watched Roy play for UT for 4 years and saw what he did, I have to hold out hope. I know there’s a big difference in college and pro, but I’m still trying to hope he comes around. Admittedly, he has been a disappointment up until now, but he has made some improvements over the last couple of games. Remember, he caught two TD’s on Sunday. If Romo had not missed him, he would have had a third one plus, he got interfered with for another big play. I don’t have the rose colored glasses on, but I think to write him off at this point, is pre-mature.
UT WR have not done so good in the NFL
of late, but they have a freshman named Goodwin that is going to be great.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
that's true.......
I guess because he’s from Odessa and played for UT I can’t help but want him to pull this out. BTW, are there any good WR’s coming out of TCU?
I'm really more of a UT fan than TCU
but I got on the band wagon a few years ago. I root for the underdogs I guess. I will root for any Texas team pro or college.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
I was pleasantly surprised by his performance on Sunday, it was really the first time I saw any sign of life in the guy
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The Seattle Slip
Romo was perfect on field goal holds in 2006… but dropped the one that counted.
by Montecito Tex on Dec 7, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
Bill Buckner
Buckner played a decent defensive first base for much of 1986, but with his hands trembling like Romo’s under pressure, he couldn’t corral a dribbler with the Championship on the line. Scott Norwood made nearly 2/3rds of his kicks in 1991, but chocked with the game on the line. Would Eli Manning have missed a streaking Roy Williams?
by Montecito Tex on Dec 7, 2009 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
Buckner did not play well defensively in 1986. His strenth was his bat. He should have been taken out of that game for a defensive substitution
You don’t know what you are talking about. Stick to Calvados
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by Seanrude on Dec 7, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That game is a text book in how not to manage a tight game. Both Managers should have been forced to wear a dunce cap in game 7. Davey Johnson's team won, but not due to any of his dunderhead moves, and the Bosox manager made so many bad moves
that he should have been fired right there and let the ball boy manage game 7
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by accidental innuendo on Dec 7, 2009 5:31 PM CST up reply actions
He would have had he been under the same pressure that Romo was on that play...
Eli is good when sitting in the pocket, but if you make him move like Romo was on that play he throws off target a whole lot (Jenkins can attest to this).
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
and jay cutler
missed about 4 of those in 1 game against philly.
Are you even a football fan?
We all know that you are not a Cowboys fan. But from the comments that you make about quarterbacks always making that throw I wonder how many NFL games you have watched. I have watched the following quarterbacks, among others miss throws no more difficult than than important situations: Brady (recently), Peyton (the real) Manning, Aikman, Staubach, Montana, Unitas, Steve Young, John Elway, Terry Bradshaw, Dan Marino. I could go on.
You sir, know nothing about football
So you're pointing out one single missed throw and saying he had the "yips"?
I… heh…. this schtick doesn’t even deserve a rational response. He played an amazing game, but the Boys broke down in other areas, namely defense and special teams. Get a life.
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by SarasotaRanger on Dec 10, 2009 8:25 PM CST up reply actions
I bet
Tex couldn’t sleep last night, cause he was SOOO excited that he could post this. Even though it really had nothing to do with Romo/Austin/Vegas … still.
What Tex Wants...
Tex doesn’t want 600 comments. Tex doesn’t want any more $6,000 pay days betting against Romo after Thanksgiving. And Tex doesn’t want to be the one sounding alarm bells… that should be done by head coach.
What Tex wants is a new coach for the Dallas Cowboys. Wade is what he is… a good defensive coordinator and a lousy leader of men. His look inspires doubt. His goals are set too low and he tolerates penalties, in-season vacations, and mediocrity.
Fire Wade Phillips while this season is still in play. Phillips will not be the head coach of this team next year and there is no reason to let the annual December slide continue.
Tex does bring up a good point.......
if Wade were to be fired immediately, would it ignite the Cowboys? I know that sounds kinda weird, but sometimes it has propelled teams to perform at their peak instead of undre-performing. I’m not saying I’m in favor of this, but it does make you think
Jerry won't do that midseason
We’re talking about firing a coach that is 8-4 and in first place in the division.
I mean seriously people, come back down to reality.
I'm not saying
I’m in favor of it, but it would send a statement to the team wouldn’t it?
It was 8-3...
and about to embark on yet another 9-7 campaign, complete with the annual December fold.
by Montecito Tex on Dec 7, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
Still in first place
If we end up 9-7 and miss the playoffs, hell even if we end up 10-6 or 11-5, Wade still might need to go.
However, not midseason. Not this late.
actually it would have the opposite effect texstar
the players would look upon Wade’s firing as Jerry giving up on them and the season.
In Romo we Trust
Correct
A new coach needs a full off-season. And who will run the D?
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by accidental innuendo on Dec 7, 2009 5:33 PM CST up reply actions
actually is doable
JG will be HC and OC and Campo can run the defence for 4 more weeks. What baffles me is that ppl want an 8 and 4 coach to be gone
with new orleans, san diego and philly coming up
that would be a monumental mistake. May as well throw out the season.
Tex, you are nuts.
But that title is HILARIOUS!
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Dec 7, 2009 2:02 PM CST reply actions
I do give him credit for the title as well...
Good to know Tex maintains his creativity despite all those calvados he downs.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
It's been said many times
but how can we seriously expect a better “leader of men” to come to Dallas and coach, with Jerry Jones as owner and titular GM? I fear that us Cowboy fans are in the same spot as Redskins fans…
Jerry will never fire himself
although I disagree with you in that Jerry is much better owner than Snyder, thats not even close.
In Romo we Trust
at least Jerry hasn't disgraced Wade
like Snyder has with Zorn. I actually feel bad for the guy.
why not $10k Tex??
If you want to throw away your money, might as well do it in style.
In Romo we Trust
Last time you bet money it was the Eagles game...
How did that work out for you?
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
The Problem is......(drum Roll Please)......
It isn’t WADE or JJ or Garrett…..Or Romo or barber.
The real problem with the 2009 Dallas cowboys is….the fact that we’ve assembled a group of immense talent….on both sides of the ball, however these units do not play as a team. Even within these units (Off.Def.ST) we often hang each other out to dry. Until this collection of talent starts to come together as a TEAM…..then we’ll continue to have roller coaster seasons…and brief playoff appearances in the post season.
Got nothing to do with Cabo,Vegas, Romo…..Jessica,Carrie,Tony’s high school sweetheart or the Family vacation to Aruba in the spring of 95….which…come to think of it …coinsides with our current playoff drought…..Hhhhmmmmmm…..This changes everything……BWAAHAAHAAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
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I disagree
They play as a team, they just need to be more consistent in doing that. Last year, you would have been right, this season, they are playing as a team.
They have to battle being inconsistent as really do most teams in the league.
In Romo we Trust
+1
I am with you, this team for whatever reason can’t seem to get on the same page, especially vs good teams. The O will play well and the D doesn’t —vice versa.
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Lack of accountability with the team
Like I’ve said above, get us a coach with the balls to bench multi-year, multi-million dollar players like Coughlin did.
We are on the same page.
Osi gets benched and he comes of the bench to make plays… Smiling from ear to ear.
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That’s just not happening unless Jerry changes his ways.
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by accidental innuendo on Dec 7, 2009 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
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I don’t disagree that there is maddening inconsistency. But what really does “playing like a team” mean anyways? Way too cliche.
...dumb post
…but hey, maybe we can get Romo to play defense and special teams too…maybe kick a field goal or TWO…OR…maybe the WHOLE team should’ve gone to Vegas considering Romo’s performance…
Jackie Smith dropped a TD........from Roger........
The Ball hit Smith in the numbers………
Romo on the other hand sailed one over a 6’5" WR that could probably have been an olympic triple jumper………over his head and out of bounds…………but if he had hit him in the numbers……….RW probably drops the pass………..just like if Hurd doesn’t touch the ball it hits the back of the player and goes back towards the Cowboys…….
just a bunch of could would shoulda………….Parcells had em……….Wade has em……..oh BTW Garrets on the hook for a few himself………..these guys find ways to loose games…………suddenly Barber fumbles…………and Punt Return for a Td………..and the OFFENSe…………….waits til were down by two TDs and 2 minutes left to actually move the ball well…………….
just frustrating………..unfortunately……………Tex has some valid points………….even more unfortunate………….if Romo hits RW in the numbers…………well he does his best Jackie Smith imitation………or that is my guess…………just how these guys play.
Wade is the Pillsbury dough boy……….and Garret wants to shoot hoops with Tiger Woods Golf Buddy………Tony Romo………….hey who wouldn’t…………Bros b 4 Hoes…….
somewhere out there Jimmy Johnson is looking it this team asking himself if he has one good Obsessed season or two in him to come back to Big D and win a few more……I hope he can leave the TUNA and MAHI in the gulfstream for a season or two and come light a fire under a team that has all the talent……….including at QB……….and just not the winning attitude and preparation of a championship team………..
Tex………..please stay in 3rd person all the time………..you are consistent on everything else………………….
Watch Sean Payton’s coached Saints and the extension that BREES is of Payton’s offensive play calling and ask yourself why we cannot execute like that every week………..I say we have everybit the offensive talent………….line up man for man……Witten better than Shockey………..our RBs………our WRs lets call it a wash………..O LINE………a wash……….QB………..statistically………..similar…………but the comparisons end there…………
Jerry let better coaches and some better players leave for nothing than he has coaching and running this team right now………………..Brees was available for a song………..Payton was smart enuff to pay the kid………
Oh well………..
About time to replace the "." button on your keyboard,
yes?
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by SarasotaRanger on Dec 10, 2009 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
Says Jon B:.
Watch Sean Payton’s coached Saints and the extension that BREES is of Payton’s offensive play calling and ask yourself why we cannot execute like that every week………..
Jerry let better coaches and some better players leave for nothing than he has coaching and running this team right now………………..Brees was available for a song………..Payton was smart enuff to pay the kid………
Oh well………..
Jon, my friend, you’re better than this.
When Payton was here, a whole lot of Cowboys fans were screaming for his head just as they are screaming for Garrett’s now. I remember well the “I’ll help Payton pack” posts piling up in the old thread.
Jerry let him slip away? Right. He was gleefully waved good-bye, as was Sparano and Todd Haley.
As for Jerry not signing Brees, I believe Parcells was running the show when Brees hit the market. You know, Parcells, the “real football guy” to whom Jerry gave full control? Yeah, him. HE WAS THE ONE WHO RECOMMENDED BREES TO PAYTON.
He liked the guy he had, kid named Romo. Of courser, Payton asked for Romo in trade, which prompted Parcells to tell him to back off — and which probably prompted him to recommend Brees.
And Payton was 8-8 last year. And 7-9 the year before. You’re telling me that the fan base would put up with that? Sure, he’s looks great now, but that’s partly because his organization left him alone and let him build.
Jerry could resurrect Tom from the dead tomorrow and if he went 7-9 and 8-8 back to back, the Cowboys fans would be calling for Mike Shanahan or Bill Cowher to replace him. It’s just the nature of the job.
Rafael, I'd seriously like to know what you think, because there's a problem that I see that no one mentions. Seems obvious to me.
Because what I see this year is Garrett moving more and more to Shotgun, and it’s just too easy for opposing coaches to pressure and stop.
The OLine looked horrible, because even though in some games Garrett can protect Romo and get those matchups he likes, good DC’s can sniff this Offense out and stuff it.
Cowboys go Shotgun? Only 2 options really, pass or draw. Then, when they line up in the I or something similar, it’s run most of the time, so run blitz. Sure, the Cowboys might burn you her or there, but absorb a gain here and there and pressure pressure pressure.
Our OLine can’t win the battles because the other team’s D is too tipped off on the playcalling.
I thought the whole point of 2 TE’s was so the other team doesn’t know what’s coming, run or pass. So why run 50% (Whatever it is) of the plays from the Shotgun.
Run and pass from the same formation. I know the Pats have made a living off the Shotgun recently, but that’s Brady/ Mos Welkler—-not Romo/Austin/Crayton. I think Romo’d -and the OLine-wouls be so much more effective lining up w/ 2 backs behind him, or one and 2 TE’s, and disguising what they’re going to do, and of course using playaction. Because, how exactly do you play-action in the Shotgun? It’s not that effective when they do do it, exceot close to the goal line, where it can freeze guys because handing off is a real danger.
It’s easy to say if the players execute then the plays would work, but they need to be put in a position to perform. The OLine can’t protect or run block w/ this playcalling.
by Realist Larry on Dec 8, 2009 12:57 AM CST up reply actions
Lotta typos-goodnight!
I’d be interested if you think this is a factor (not everything, although obviously I see it as more of a problem than others here), or if you give Garrett a pass and think it’s all on the players.
by Realist Larry on Dec 8, 2009 1:00 AM CST up reply actions
I think you've got your finger on it, but you have the causality backwards
You posit, I think that the o-line is not doing so well because Garrett is putting them in shotgun.
I say the reverse. Garrett is putting them in shotgun because the o-line is frayed. I said it back in September. This is not a power running line. That is true this year and it was true last year, and it has been true in other years. You are one of the people who usually catches on to this first.
I think the line is limited and the coaches are trying to make the best of what they have. The line may be the unit that holds this team back. We’ll see.
I see that, although I disagree a bit -I think they're a little better running than pass-blocking
If they’re a weakness-despite individually all being decent players-we agree that some of that lies on the OLine coaching.
But, I would say, if the lines not that great, don’t make their jobs harder by telegraphing our runs and passes! Disguise them more, help the guys out. And one thing they do have is size-so, running more leads to that old cliche about tiring the other team out as the game goes on. You still need 1st downs, I’m still for a 55-45 pass/run ratio, not 3 straight hand-offs. But there’s something to be said w/ running to set up the pass-whereas it seems to me JG wants to pass to set up the run.
I just think other D’s can solve Garrett’s offense too easily. Heck, I usually know what’s coming, if not the specific play, I can tell you run or pass 80% of the time! So DLines are teeing off on us
It’s more about the formations than anything else for me, even if they don’t “power-run”, they can still pass, run draws, pitchouts, whatever works from a base formation that doesn’t tip their hand so much.
by Realist Larry on Dec 8, 2009 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
thats simply not true at all
and the GMen game proved as much. Those guys were getting killed trying to run block, gave our RBs absolutely no holes in which to run at all, however, they always do a decent job of protecting Romo for the most part.
The OL definitely pass blocks much better than it runs blocks, it’s as plain as day.
In Romo we Trust
you're missing my point
" I just think other D’s can solve Garrett’s offense too easily. Heck, I usually know what’s coming, if not the specific play, I can tell you run or pass 80% of the time! So DLines are teeing off on us"
Setting up in the Gun so much is tipping our hand, setting the lie up for failure-not that they’re great either way, but it’s way too obvious what play is coming when Garrett’s using the Shotgun so much (early in the game-I’m not talking about 2-minute offense when it makes sense, or even goalline, where I admit his use of the Shotgun scares me but has actually been effective).
by Realist Larry on Dec 8, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
not true as Raf pointed out
We go in the shotgum so much because we suck at traditional run blocking, plain and simple. If Garrett tried it your way, our offense wouldn’t go anywhere and be among the worst in the league.
We can’t be something we’re not and thats a good running football team.
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Strong opinion
No factual backing.
Not addressing my point either. (It’s not run vs. pass blocking-it’s overuse of a formation.)
Raf is great but him saying something doesn’t make it true.
And what they’ve been doing obviously is not working, they can’t protect Romo when any type of blitz is thrown at them.
And if you’re right, they’re doomed to failure, because you can’t be one-dimensional in the NFL. Garrett needs to find a way to not give away what he’s doiing.
He should watch tape of Alabama against Florida.
by Realist Larry on Dec 8, 2009 4:49 PM CST up reply actions
there is factual backing
Game film from the past several years…face it, our OL can’t run block against good defenses.
Raf is usually right and he’s definitely right about this as well.
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some games I agree with you
in certain games, Garrett has failed to run enough.
But the Giants game thats not true. I thought we consistantly stuck with the run even though it was getting us nothing every time. I honestly would’ve preferred we pass a couple more times. Especially in a game where the refs weren’t calling anything so we wouldn’t be struck by penalties.
It's not so much pass or run as the way the Shotgun just gives away which one is coming
You can run from the shotgun, but it’s usually going to be a pass-and if it is a run, the draw is about it.
Then when they line up in an I-formation or something similar, the other team can overplay the run, because that’s what’s most likely coming.
Thanks for the response-It’s an obvious point to me, but you guys are thinking I’m on the old run vs. pass debate-that’s related to this, but not the same.
by Realist Larry on Dec 9, 2009 12:24 AM CST up reply actions
In case you haven't noticed
the majority of our good runs this year has come out of the shotgun. We rarely have effective runs with Romo under center.
In Romo we Trust
Terry, I think Larry's point is not how much to run vs pass
its the way we do it.
When we line up in the I formation opposing Ds know its an 80% chance of run and if we line up in a shot gun, opposind Ds know its an 80% chance of a pass
How many times do opposing teams have to say that Dallas' offense is predictable before it gets through to Garret that he is predictable?
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thats the whole point, I thought that
we’ve discovered something good with the 2 TE sets, but we got away from it from whatever reason. It was working good at the beginning of the season
Glad to see some people get it!
I felt like I was banging my head on my computer.
by Realist Larry on Dec 9, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
@Monty Tex
Give it up!
Your rant prior to the game was so much BS, now you come back with this? WEAK!
Just admit you were wrong. Neither Romo nor Austin failed to produce big in this game.
Romo’s stats: 41/55 392 yds 3 TD 0 INT
Austin stats: 10 rec 104 yds 1 TD
Now, dance for us little monkey boy, dance. You’re a joke.
You can't stop Patrick Crayton, you can only hope to contain him.
same reason Tiger is getting roasted
people love drama. This post is all about creating drama.
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all I want to say is this… consider yourselves sucked
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
Keep telling it Like it is Tex
I posted this Monday on the infamous “Sound The Alarm Bells” fanpost. However, that fanpost dropped off the screen almost immediately, so I think most BTB bloggers didn’t see it. I’m reposting it here so I’m on the record as agreeing with Tex and Bye Dawk, even after Romo’s great performance Sunday. If you already read this, please ignore and sorry for wasting your time.
This 2009 Dallas Cowboys ship is going down – the decent started Sunday and will continue through December. The combination of Wade Phillips and Tony Romo spells near-certain failure for the Dallas Cowboys. Head Coach and Quarterback are the two positions that NFL teams typically get leadership and inspiration from. In terms of these ‘intangibles’, both are dismal failures. Wade Phillips might succeed with a guy like Peyton Manning at QB, and Tony Romo might succeed with a great head coach, but the combination of the two of them means a rudderless ship simply going in circles. An 0-5 record in December 2009 is more likely that a 3-2 record. Personally, I’m thankful that after yet another December collapse last season I swore I would never get on-board emotionally until meaningful changes were made. Those changes have not been made and I’m ready for the collapse that has already started.
Wade Phillips is the easy one to replace – there must be ten or more guys out there right now that would be in instant, huge upgrade over Wade. Replacing Romo is going to be tougher because his play on the field is often very good, though inconsistent and, notwithstanding yesterday’s excellent performance, he tends to wilt as the games become bigger. The Dallas Cowboys must draft at least two quarterbacks next April, and one of them must be a blue-chip first round guy. That way, if Romo continues, under a new Head Coach, to be a leaderless, celebrity-chasing, in-season vacationing guy for whom football is just one of many things going on in his life, he can be sent packing.
Tex’s comment here is worth repeating again and again: Super Bowl quarterbacks don’t go to Vegas in the middle of the season. For the life of me, I can’t imagine what the hell Tony Romo was thinking……he is either really stupid or he doesn’t care. Either way, that trip to Vegas was a textbook failure in leadership. Yes, Romo happened to play well Sunday….Jeff George also played well quite frequently……. but much of the team played like crap yesterday, and I believe that is in no small part due to the message Tony Romo is sending, that being…..this Cowboys thing simply isn’t that important to me so why should it be important to you???
Tex and I and a few others will continue to occasionally post here as the voices of reason. And finally, for the record before I’m called a hater and told to go cheer for the Giants, or Eagles or whatever: I hope like hell I’m wrong, I hope Tony Romo has a spectacular December and January, and I hope the Cowboys go on to the Super Bowl.
keep hating Louie, keep hating
and don’t worry I’ll be the first one to tell you you are wrong….big time.
In Romo we Trust
I actually think, just judging from what I see during the games,
because that’s all we can know, that Romo is acting the part of a leader a lot more this season.
I’ve been on him in the past for celebrating too much when it’s going good, then pouting by himself during the tough games. I also wanted him to get in some guys’ faces and demand more.
I think he’s looking a lot better as a ‘leader’ during the games this year, instead of a goofy frat boy.
Wade, well, I don’t see much from him. He just gets that same look on his face. He doesn’t get angry and yell. He doesn’t go over to guys and encourage. It’s like he just can’t believe it’s not working as scripted and is in disbelief.
Well, there’s another team out there working their butts off too, and sometimes they get the best of you! So that’s when you have ‘coach’! Be the tough guy, be the encouraging guy, but do something besides get frustrated, because that doesn’t help.
by Realist Larry on Dec 9, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions
Again, you miss my point and just kneejerk to one phrase
“So that’s when you have to ‘coach’! Be the tough guy, be the encouraging guy, but do something besides get frustrated, because that doesn’t help.”
That was my post. You don’t think yelling will work?
Then do you have another proposal? Don’t just say it doesn’t work, give an alternative.
What do you think he should do? Because just standing there looking confused/upset doesn’t cut it.
by Realist Larry on Dec 10, 2009 10:27 PM CST up reply actions
how in the hell do you know how Wade behind closed doors??
Answer, you don’t. You just see him on the sidelines and in PCs and thats it, so really you have no clue and are just speculating.
In Romo we Trust
Behind closed doors???
I’m very obviously talking about during the gam on the sidelines here.
Was that really hard to catch?
Oh-you still just react negatively to the post and do not have your own constructive comment.
by Realist Larry on Dec 11, 2009 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
And weren't you happy with my comments about Romo?
I thought they’d pop your cork!
by Realist Larry on Dec 10, 2009 10:28 PM CST up reply actions
You sure as hell are not the voice of reason
You can't stop Patrick Crayton, you can only hope to contain him.
by APerfectStar on Dec 10, 2009 4:16 AM CST up reply actions
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