Answering Your Chargers Questions
Hey guys. I'm John and I run Bolts From The Blue, SB Nation's community for Chargers fans. I'm here to do what I've been doing all season, which is to answer any questions you guys have about the Chargers.
I'll start off with a few opinions/talking points and we'll take it from there. Post your questions in the comments and please Rec this post so that it stays towards the top of the page until gametime.
- I'll admit it. I was a Cowboys fan. Up until 1998, when I knew little about football and lived in New Jersey, I would proudly cheer on Troy, Emmitt and Michael. I even had a Cowboys comforter on my bed. When my family moved to San Diego in '98, my dad decided we'd become Chargers/Padres fans and bought season tickets for one of the worst teams of all time. I've been bleeding powder blue and gold ever since.
- I read Boys Will Be Boys and thoroughly enjoyed it. It made me like some of the people I already liked a little more (Irvin, Jimmy Johnson, etc.). I also got teared-up the first time I saw 88's Hall of Fame speech.
- I watched Hard Knocks last year, and it made me dislike TO (who I really didn't mind before that) and Pac Man. Good thing they're both gone now.
- The upcoming game makes me feel confident and scared at the same time. I feel confident that the Chargers offense will score points. That's because the Cowboys don't have a cornerback that's over 5'11" and the Chargers have four WRs that are over 6'4" (if you include Antonio Gates). I check the height of the opposing CBs every week now, and the teams that don't have strong corners that are at least 6'1" really struggle to stop the passing game. I'm also terrified that the Chargers, who have struggled to slow down anyone's running game and seem completely hopeless at trying to tackle any "power running backs", will not be able to get Dallas' offense off the field and will not be able to keep them from scoring at will.
- I like stats. Scratch that, I love stats. If you have a point of debate or contention, do not be offended if I ask you to back it up with stats. I understand that a big part of football is what the human eye sees, but most point can be backed up with statistics if you look hard enough.
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Okay, I will admit… I’ve always been a Chargers fan…
They’ve always been affectionately regarded by me as my "B-team." This has been the case ever since I started watching football as a young lad; watching those Dan Fouts lead teams score at will. So I always root for them except of course for the rare occasions when they’re playing Dallas. I was almost as heartbroken by their loss to New England in ’06 as I am when the Cowboys lose a playoff game. Almost but not quite. :-)
I have a couple of questions.
First, how has the Charger D adjusted to the loss of Jamal Williams and would you attribute their struggles against the run to his absence?
Second, how much has the Charger D changed since Wade departed? My thought is that he may still have some "inside" knowledge of their strengths and weaknesses and have some insite on how to attack them.
The 2009 Dallas Cowboys: Talk to me in December.
The NFC East has won 11 Super Bowls; oddly none of those have come courtesy of the Eagles.
First, how has the Charger D adjusted to the loss of Jamal Williams and would you attribute their struggles against the run to his absence?
Fresh bodies. The situation, heading into the season, was to have 3 starting D-linemen (Williams, Castillo, Bingham) with one legitimate backup (Cesaire) and one project (Vaughn Martin). With Williams and Bingham out for the season, the philosophy has been changed to just trying to keep everyone out there fresh. The advantage has switched from talent to health/energy. So now it’s kindof unknown (and not important) who the starters are.
Travis Johnson, Luis Castillo, Alfonso Boone and Jacques Cesaire all see equal time at the DE spots (Castillo probably sees a little more than the others, but not by much). Ian Scott and Ogemdi Nwagbuo share most of the time at DT, but the DEs can rotate into that spot as well. Vaughn Martin is usually inactive, but saw significant time with Castillo on the shelf for the past two games.
Second, how much has the Charger D changed since Wade departed? My thought is that he may still have some “inside” knowledge of their strengths and weaknesses and have some insite on how to attack them.
Cottrell learned from Wade, Rivera learned from Cottrell. So obviously there’s some of the same stuff in there, but Rivera has also mixed in a lot of stuff that Wade never did (like Safety and CB blitzes) that he picked up under Jim Johnson years ago in Philly.
I don’t think any team, or defense, in the NFL can keep their strengths and weaknesses a secret. Everybody has the tape, everybody knows the score. Whether or not Wade has info on some of the individual players (fake example: “Stephen Cooper hates it when an RB dives at his knees, and it makes him soft for the rest of the game”) is debatable. I think the main advantage, for Garrett and Romo, is that they play against a 3-4 defense with a strong pass-rush and not-so-great Safeties in practice every day. The play-calls don’t matter, it’s the similar personnel that makes the defenses similar.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
As an addendum
Ogemdi Nwagbuo has just been placed on IR. Ian Scott is now the starting DT, and some random 30 year old DT (who was recently cut from the Jets practice squad) is his backup.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
What's the confidence level of Chargers fans going into this game?
It’s as if every fan has a different level of optimism/pessimism here.
2009 Dallas Cowboys: 10-6
2009 New York Jets: not 11-5 :(
2009-2010 Dallas Mavericks: 57-25
Average Chargers fans? It’s high. Mostly because the Chargers have won 15 straight games in December and 7 straight games this season. Average fans think this team is invincible.
As I said above, I’m confident that the Chargers passing offense will have a good day. I’m almost sure of it. However, I think Marion Barber is exactly the type of RB that the Chargers have struggled with this season and the defense seemed completely incapable of defending TEs with Eric Weddle last week. I see it as a high scoring affair and an even matchup. In my head, the winner will be whoever gets luckiest.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
That should be...
the defense seemed completely incapable of defending TEs without Eric Weddle last week.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
and is Eric Weddle returning this week?
2009 Dallas Cowboys: 10-6
2009 New York Jets: not 11-5 :(
2009-2010 Dallas Mavericks: 57-25
Nope
He’s out at least one more game and then they’ll see where he is health-wise.
Last week against the Browns, the Chargers were missing their best Safety (Weddle), their best lineman (Castillo) and probably their best pass-rusher (Merriman). Castillo and Merriman are expected back for this game (but not at 100%), but Weddle has zero shot of playing.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
Are you afraid that if Merriman sacks Romo and does the “Lights Out” dance, Flozell Adams will pull out a knife and stab him?
by JimmyK on Dec 9, 2009 8:46 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Merriman-Ware
What is your take on the Ware-Merriman debate…..If there is even one any more
Bye.Dawk is a funny dude my wife’s family and friends are all from south Jersey and I wish their Cowboy’s bashing was as good natured as his….
There isn’t one anymore strictly because Merriman has lost a year to injury, and has spent this year struggling to get the rest of his body in “game shape” after the year off.
I still think that when they’re both healthy they’re equal. Ware has a little more speed, Merriman has a little more strength. If they were both healthy, playing the same position on the same team….I think you’d get roughly the same result.
Lucky for you guys, you’re probably getting Merriman at about 75% on Sunday.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Dec 9, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
John
appreciate the post. I admit I haven’t watched the Chargers at all this year so the following questions may be pretty obvious, but here goes anyway:
FootballOutsiders has the San Diego Defensive Line ranked dead last against the run with a league high 4.76 adjusted line yards. At the same time, FO rank Dallas as the No. 1 rushing offense (despite the meltdown against the Giants). Is this something you would be worried about and are the adjusted line yards a result of the DL’s weak play, injuries or strong opposing running games?
I also noticed that the Chargers have an uncharacteristically low rushing YPA with 3.3 this season, ranked last in the league. Do you think it will be enough for Rivers to simply air it out against Dallas?
Lastly, because I know that Wade reads this blog religiously, any tips on how to shut down Vincent Jackson and Antonio Gates?
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 9, 2009 11:05 AM CST reply actions
FootballOutsiders has the San Diego Defensive Line ranked dead last against the run with a league high 4.76 adjusted line yards. At the same time, FO rank Dallas as the No. 1 rushing offense (despite the meltdown against the Giants). Is this something you would be worried about and are the adjusted line yards a result of the DL’s weak play, injuries or strong opposing running games?
As I said above, the Cowboys’ running game terrifies me because the Chargers are not great at stopping the run. Having said that, the Chargers run defense isn’t horrid and is opportunistic. Although they’ll give up 5 yards on a 1st and 10 run, they do a really good job at stopping the run on 3rd and 2.
The most effective run defense the Chargers have is their offense. If they can build a quick lead, it forces the opposing offense to pass a lot more than they’d like to. Take a look at past rushing performances against the Chargers and you’ll see a lot of high Yards Per Carry, but no huge days in terms of yards. This is a game that could be won in the first half.
I also noticed that the Chargers have an uncharacteristically low rushing YPA with 3.3 this season, ranked last in the league. Do you think it will be enough for Rivers to simply air it out against Dallas?
It’s worked thusfar, hasn’t it? It’s not as if they haven’t had that 3.3 YPC all season, and they have the 3rd highest scoring offense in the league. It’s also the 5th best in terms of yards per play. This same formula has beaten the Eagles and the Giants, so I think it as least has a chance of succeeding in Dallas.
The Chargers offense this year is a bit upside-down. The screen pass (and you’ll see a ton of them) keeps the pass-rush at bay, the run game is just there to set up play-action and for goal line situations and the rest of the offense rests on Rivers’ arm. The only reason it works is because 1) the Bolts are the best screen-passing team in the league, mostly due to Sproles and 2) Philip Rivers never, ever turns the ball over or makes a dumb throw.
Lastly, because I know that Wade reads this blog religiously, any tips on how to shut down Vincent Jackson and Antonio Gates?
Get new players?
VJ actually has kindof been shut down for a few weeks now. Teams have gone from double-teaming him on about half of the plays to double-teaming him on every single play.
It’s not a coincidence that in the last four games, where VJ’s production has been down, Rivers’ QB rating by game has been 131.8, 109.1, 135.6 and 140.8. Rivers has been spreading the ball around more. With VJ covered, Gates saw less double-coverage and has exploded. Malcom Floyd and Legedu Naanee are seemingly always open. Mike Tolbert and Darren Sproles have taken advantage of being completely uncovered as the check-down receivers.
So it’s really a case of pick-your-poison. The Cowboys don’t really have any CBs that are big and strong enough to cover VJ one-on-one (there’s about 3 of them in the league, maybe), and they don’t really have the Safeties to cover Gates one-on-one. I suspect both of those guys will be double-teamed quite a bit, and Rivers will just find whoever is open because of it.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
I have a lot of respect for P.Rivers
he makes me very nervous. He is smart with football. To be honest in 4th quarter I would only take Peyton, Brady(pre-knee injury), and Ben R over him.
IMO Chargers are playing the best football in the AFC.
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Rivers seems to fit in the legacy
started by John Hadl and Dan Fouts…he is extremely impressive
After Last Season
I believe Rivers established himself as the third best QB in the NFL. He could be the best in a few more years.
Rivers>Big Ben
Not even close, imho.
Epic Fail since 1985
by the red scare on Dec 9, 2009 10:59 PM CST up reply actions
Rivers is awesome
3rd best QB in the league behind Peyton and Brees (And healthy Brady, if he ever returns).
You think the uptick in Rivers’ efficiency had a little something to do with Chris Chambers going elsewhere? I think I read on FO that he was the 2nd most inefficient receiver in the league (Behind Roy WIlliams) when he got cut.
You think the uptick in Rivers’ efficiency had a little something to do with Chris Chambers going elsewhere?
Yes, absolutely. Chambers dropped everything and was the perpetual drive-killer. Legedu Naanee and Malcom Floyd have great hands (which helps Rivers get into a rhythm and keeps him from forcing throws to VJ and Gates) and are far exceeding Chambers’ production.
You’re partly wrong though, when he was cut he was FO’s 2nd most inefficient receiver behind Heyward-Bey.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
What changed?
The O-line for Chargers looked shaky during the pre-season and early in regular season. What changed?
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Time/chemistry/health
The line was bad in the preseason because most lines are bad in the preseason. They were bad early in the season because in Week 1 the Raiders knocked out the starting Center, Nick Hardwick on a cheap shot (he’s still out) and then knocked out the starting Right Guard for good measure. The Chargers were carrying one backup Guard/Center. So not only were there two backups starting on the line, but one of them was playing a position he had never played before.
Currently, Hardwick is still out but his replacement (Scott Mruczkowski) has gotten better every week and is one of the stronger points on the line now. Jeromey Clary, the starting RT, got knocked out for the season two weeks ago and Brandyn Dombrowski has started there since (much better at his natural position). Jon Runyan signed with the team less than two weeks ago and is slated to take over the starting RT spot either this week or next.
So, what has changed is that Louis Vasquez (rookie RG) got healthy, Mruczkowski got better and the line gelled after a few games.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Dec 9, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
How can the O-line handle Dallas's pass rush?
Is Rivers a QB who’s been sacked much this year?
2009 Dallas Cowboys: 10-6
2009 New York Jets: not 11-5 :(
2009-2010 Dallas Mavericks: 57-25
No
The Chargers have allowed 21 sacks this season, good for 7th least in the league. The majority of those came early in the season when the line was struggling. Rivers was sacked 15 times in the first 5 games of the season, and only 6 times in the 7 games since. He’s been sacked only once in the last 3 games.
Marcus McNeill is having a Pro Bowl season at LT and can handle just about any pass-rusher one-on-one. Jeromey Clary was having a pretty good year at RT, but has since gone on IR. If Brandyn Dombrowski starts at RT, he’ll get lots of help in the form of TE/OT Brandon Manumaleuna. If Jon Runyan starts, he’ll get significantly less help and Manumaleuna can be replaced on the field by another WR.
If the Cowboys start getting pressure on Rivers, watch out for the big-play screen pass.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Dec 9, 2009 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
What happened to LT?
Is he still struggling or has he got back into the rythym? He used to be one of the scariest players in the league, but ever since late last year it looked like Sproles would be replacing him soon.
He got old
I’m a firm believer in a RB’s “football age” being dictated by the number of carries he’s had in his career. Thomas Jones, who spent a few years as a backup in Arizona and has only ever carried the ball more than 300 times in a season twice, is 27-28 according to his carries/mileage.
Tomlinson has carried the ball more than 300 times in a season seven times. If you’re a believer of your “mileage” dictating your performance as an RB, this list of the active leaders in carries will surprise you.
1. Edgerrin James – 3,028 carries
2. LaDainian Tomlinson – 2,825 carries
3. Jamal Lewis – 2,542 carries
Are any of those guys that you would expect big seasons from? Of course not. They all lost something somewhere between 2,000 and 2,500 carries. The legs don’t have that spring anymore.
You’ll notice when you watch LT, that the cuts he used to make he still tries to make. His mind is still trying to do the same things. However, what used to be a juke and 20+ yards is now him falling down for 2 or 3. He just doesn’t have the leg strength to maintain the balance he once had, which was the key to everything for him.
Also, Sproles will never take over for LT. He’ll never be a starting RB in the league. He simply cannot be. When going up the middle, he is incapable of getting anything more than 2-3 yards. He’s Kevin Faulk, at best.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
The only Chargers games I ever really watch are the playoffs...
And Sproles as a returner and a RB really impressed last year in their playoff run.
I just miss watching LT at his prime.
What do you think the key is to stopping the Dallas pass rush? San Diego’s offensive line gets to face a familiar set of players in their practices, but are there any inconsitencies along the line, or injuries that make you nervous? Although Dallas hasn’t tallied up a bunch of sacks this year, they are put constant pressure on many opposing defenses.
No offense, but I already answered this in the comments above. Here was my answer
The Chargers have allowed 21 sacks this season, good for 7th least in the league. The majority of those came early in the season when the line was struggling. Rivers was sacked 15 times in the first 5 games of the season, and only 6 times in the 7 games since. He’s been sacked only once in the last 3 games.
Marcus McNeill is having a Pro Bowl season at LT and can handle just about any pass-rusher one-on-one. Jeromey Clary was having a pretty good year at RT, but has since gone on IR. If Brandyn Dombrowski starts at RT, he’ll get lots of help in the form of TE/OT Brandon Manumaleuna. If Jon Runyan starts, he’ll get significantly less help and Manumaleuna can be replaced on the field by another WR.
If the Cowboys start getting pressure on Rivers, watch out for the big-play screen pass.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
Do you think Norv Turner is especially looking forward to coaching against his former team?
Not that Jerry Jones screwed him over in 1994 or anything, or that Norv has any inside info on the Cowboys defense like he may have when he coached the Redskins, but didn’t Norv interview with the Cowboys in 2007?
Indeed he did, and at one point was seen as the leading candidate. That was also before the Chargers job was available though. I think he’s 100 times happier in San Diego than he would’ve been in Dallas. He’s a mellow guy who doesn’t really like being under the microscope, and I’m sure he wouldn’t have been too happy with the idea of Jason Garrett calling the plays for him.
San Diego is a much better situation for him and he’s smart enough to realize that, so I doubt there’s any bitterness. If anything, he’ll just look forward to coaching in front of some old friends and family from the area. Nothing that will change how he prepares or manages Sunday’s game.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
How do San Diego fans view the success of Drew Brees?
I assume they support and admire Brees, but just wondering…I think that if the Saints and Chargers meet in the Super Bowl, it will be the first time that two quarterbacks who were once on the same team met later on the the big game since – Roger Staubach and Craig Morton in Super Bowl XII. Fwiw…
Your assumption is correct. Charger fans are happy for Brees and rooting him on. If the Chargers play the Saints in the Super Bowl, Chargers fans will obviously root against him but there will be very small amounts of vitriol.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
Ironically, the Chargers are my favorite AFC team
and I’ll be rooting for them like crazy if they get an opportunity to knock off the Colts in the playoffs. I think you guys have their number and I would love it if the Colts went 16-0 and you guys beat them in the playoffs. That would be awesome.
I’m of the opinion that the Cowboys strengths and weaknesses are very similar, to me they look like mirror images of each other. Very good franchise qb, big play threats at WR and TE, very good backs, and an attacking 3-4 defense with a mild mannered HC.
Agree or disagree?
In Romo we Trust
Agree
However, there are differences.
-The Cowboys running game is much better.
-I consider Philip Rivers to be better/more efficient than Romo.
-The Cowboys pass-rush is better.
-Jay Ratliff is better than whoever is playing DT for the Chargers currently.
-Chargers special teams are better.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
I obviously disagree Rivers is better than Romo
but your other points are well taken.
Should be a great game.
In Romo we Trust
It was reported that
SD was having trouble selling out home games. Is that still the case and if so why?
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
They’ve sold out all of them, but the ones against lesser opponents (like the Chiefs) have really come down to the last minute and have needed an extension for them to reach it.
It would take a long time for me to explain why, so here it is in a nutshell.
-San Diego was absolutely crushed by the economy (moreso than most places because of the incredible amount of construction that was going on when the housing market crashed)
-San Diego is filled with people who moved there from somewhere else, so the population of the city doesn’t equate exactly with the number of Chargers fans.
-Qualcomm Stadium is an awful place to watch a football game.
-Nobody wants to watch the Chiefs
-There are better, free things to do on Sunday afternoon. Like hang out at the beach.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
I live in SD and I have read several times this year that the black out had to be extended a few times, not just for the Chiefs game. I also remember a few years back when the Chargers were hosting the Titans in the first round of the playoffs it came down to the final day before they were sold out. I know the Chargers have sold out x amount of games but from my best understanding, at least 2 to 3 times per year they Chargers had to have the extension along with a large business would buy up remaining tickets. I dont buy the beach argument as an excuse because if you are a true fan would you rather watch your team play or go to the beach.
It’s not as if San Diego is alone in getting extensions for nearly every home game. Even the Cowboys have gone through it. For the Chargers, it’s a combination of a fairweather fanbase, a crappy stadium and costly tickets during a recession.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
I agree with you and I’m not saying its just SD. I’m a huge Cowboys fan but live in SD. And I want to see the city support their team. I have seen lots more support since i’ve lived here. But one nice thing for me is, I did get to go to the KC game for really cheap. I’m nervously excited about this game.
Is there any talk of SD moving to LA.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
It's gotten considerably more quiet
It looked like it was going to happen, with just about every San Diego site for a new stadium shot down. Then, as if the city realized the Chargers weren’t bluffing, the city came back to the table and made it a point to say “We’re going to make it work” at the Chargers’ preferred site (downtown, next to Petco Park). Currently there’s some specialist being paid something like $150,000 to figure out how to make it work financially….which should tell you all you need to know about what the city is willing to do keep the team here.
I think Jacksonville is a better suited team all-around. Their QB wants to be a star (Rivers really doesn’t), their young RB will be a star for years to come (whereas the Chargers’ RB is a fading star) and their situation in their current location is much, much worse. There’s a guy in L.A. who is funding the construction of an NFL football stadium without a team, and will give it to whatever team is willing to give him part ownership. I think the Jags would/will jump at the opportunity.
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by John Gennaro on Dec 10, 2009 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
If the Chargers did move to LA
they would return to their first home. They played the 1960 season in LA.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
Re: Qualcomm
Is it just old and showing it’s age, or is there another reason you think it’s an awful place to watch a game?
You can't stop Patrick Crayton, you can only hope to contain him.
by APerfectStar on Dec 10, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
It’s old and showing it’s age. Also, it was originally built to be a multi-sport stadium. That means they built it as generic as possible and had no care for sight-lines or fan participation. It’s truly absurd how far away every seat is from the action in comparison to other NFL stadiums.
The Chargers don’t just need a new stadium. They need a stadium that is built for football. Also, the experience of going to the stadium (which has nothing around it but IKEA) against going to PETCO (where people fill downtown before and after the game) is incredibly dull.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Dec 10, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
some on on this blog
should do the same thing at Bolts From The Blue.
Nice to meet you! I mean, you kindov suck but my dad says you might be good some day. (Stan Marsh talking to Jay Cutler on South Park)
I have an e-mail into their writers. It’ll get done. Patience is a virtue.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
thanks john.
its my favorite part of the week
Nice to meet you! I mean, you kindov suck but my dad says you might be good some day. (Stan Marsh talking to Jay Cutler on South Park)
Good idear and just got one up, guys. :)
I saw a dog today. Have you seen a dog? You probably have. How was school? Was it fun? Did you get a lot of homework? Huh? Do you have any friends? Do you have a best friend? Does he have a big coat, too?
by Aaron Novinger on Dec 10, 2009 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
How have you guys been on the road?
Do you travel well? I’m guessing there’s really no chance of you guys not coming out strong, as Matt Mosley pointed out, teams don’t overlook coming to the new Cowboys Stadium.
While I’ll admit I haven’t watched much of the Chargers this year I was wondering how much of Dallas you have watched. You mentioned us not having a corner that can go against VJ, but I think us Boys fans here would contest that Jenkins may be up to the task. And if so, Sensebough may be able to do well on Gates if Dallas brackets him, which I’m guessing they will.
Lastly, how has your secondary performed this year? You mentioned not having a strong rush defense, but how will you guys approach containing Austin and Witten? Do you the LB fleet to hang with guys like Witten and Felix?
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5-1 on the road this season
There hasn’t been much of a difference between the Chargers at home or on the road this season.
I wasn’t doubting the talent of your secondary, just the size. I don’t think 5’10", 198 lb Mike Jenkins is going to be able to handle 6’5", 230 lb Vincent Jackson. He won’t be able to bump him on the line, he certainly won’t win jump balls and he’ll have a difficult time getting in the proper position to stop VJ from getting the ball. Jackson has shown this season that he simply cannot be covered by a corner that’s shorter than 6’1".
The secondary has been the defense’s strength all season. It’s the reason the Chargers are ranked 8th in passing yards allowed. Antonio Cromartie and Quentin Jammer are playing like Pro Bowlers and have been all season. The chink in the armor, for this game, is Eric Weddle. Normally the Weddle plays FS, Kevin Ellison and Paul Oliver play SS, and Steve Gregory plays nickel corner. With Weddle out, Gregory plays FS and Antoine Cason becomes the nickel corner. Also, Weddle is the key to the zone coverage being able to stop TEs. Just look at how much success the Browns had last week throwing to their slot receivers and TEs. I’m not worried about Austin or Crayton for this game, but I am worried about Witten. Kevin Burnett is our best chance at covering him, but even he’s been inconsistent this season.
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+1 and leaping skills
That is one match-up I am not concerned about.
Gates against a D that seems not to be able to cover 3rd WR/ TE’s very well (30th according to FO) – scares the crap out of me.
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You’re not concerned about a 7 inch, 30 pound advantage? Imagine it like two Plaxico Burresses on opposite sides of the field, except one of them is really fast too. That doesn’t scare you?
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by John Gennaro on Dec 10, 2009 4:17 AM CST up reply actions
Did you see the leap he made on that endzone interception against the Giants?
Sure it was against a 5’11" receiver, but that boy has some ups. Better hope Rivers is on target the whole game or you might see another pick.
I’m super pumped about this game. Going to be my first time in the new stadium.
Adding 6 inches to that receiver means Rivers doesn’t necessarily have to be right-on-target with his throws.
Also, Rivers hasn’t thrown an interception in 4 games and only has 6 all season. About half of those were balls that should’ve been caught but bounced off the receiver’s hands too.
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by John Gennaro on Dec 10, 2009 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
That could mean he's due to throw a couple :)
Jenkins can hang with taller WR’s, he’s very physical and able to time his jumps well. Should be a good match up to watch.
You can't stop Patrick Crayton, you can only hope to contain him.
by APerfectStar on Dec 10, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
I'll admit after reading this......
I cheer for the Chargers when we don’t play them. Quentin is a good friend of mine from high school and I love seeing him do well. He is a really good kid with a good head on his shoulders and was very deserving of his draft position. He used to eat me up at practice….I was unfortunately my team’s best wideout so he covered me every day during scrimmages.
Used to be CowboyinIraq at BSR, but I am not in Iraq anymore, so that didn't really make much sense........
by BarbersQuad on Dec 10, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
do you have the LB fleet***
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
Oh yeah one more thing.
Do you have a strong presence in the slot? Our nickel db Scandrick has struggled as of late and was once against torched in the slot against the Giants.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
Legedu Naanee is a beast in the slot. He’s at least 6’2" and over 200 lbs. He’s fast, quick, strong and has the best hands on the team. He is also a former Boise State QB, which shows up occasionally in a trick play. He’s yet to have a big game, statistically, but he’s one of Rivers’ favorite red zone targets.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
That guy is underrated
That should be another interesting match up since Scandrick is also from Boise St. They must have practiced against each other a lot.
You can't stop Patrick Crayton, you can only hope to contain him.
by APerfectStar on Dec 10, 2009 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
I'm a Cowboys fan too!!! - this week....
Let’s make a deal Cowboys, you take care of the Chargettes this week and we’ll handle your Sceagles in a couple of weeks. That’s fair, right?
I too dabbled in pacifism once...
by waltersobchakbronco on Dec 9, 2009 4:26 PM CST reply actions
LOL Walter
“You want a toe? I can get you a toe, believe me. There are ways, Dude. You don’t wanna know about it, believe me. Hell, I can get you a toe by 3 o’clock this afternoon… with nail polish!”
You can't stop Patrick Crayton, you can only hope to contain him.
by APerfectStar on Dec 10, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, and very touching story Obviousman...
I too dabbled in pacifism once...
by waltersobchakbronco on Dec 9, 2009 4:27 PM CST reply actions
Nope
Defenses don’t care that Rivers is throwing to open receivers all day, they are refusing to let up on the double and sometimes triple coverage of Jackson (which wasn’t happening much early in the season). We’re fine with it, and so is Rivers.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
HA!
No. Mike Scifres holds for kicks. Although he’ll be inactive for this game, Eric Weddle is the backup holder on kicks (he held for kicks in college). Philip Rivers will never hold for kicks.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
The Worst Sports Town in America...
San Diego is the worst sports town in America, hands down. Over-the-line is a bigger draw in that fine city than football. Every go to a Charger game – half the crowd is rooting for the opponents. And the beer-bellied fans from Mission and PB, almost everyone of them named “Smitty”, know nothing about sports or politics. Time to move the Chargers out of San Diego.
Nice to meet you too. I’m not sure what Smitty’s knowledge of politics has to do with anything, but I highly doubt the Chargers are going to leave the city simply because there are a lot of road fans at each game. It’s a touristy town that’s filled with people who moved there later in life, the road crowd is something that you have to expect.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
John you are new here, so let me give you a few pointers
Do not engage either Terry or Montecito Tex. I could explain why, but it would take too long
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
Yeah terry....not so bad....
But when it comes to Tex…..please, please, please don’t feed the mindless…..if he had his way we would have Drew Henson at QB…..
Used to be CowboyinIraq at BSR, but I am not in Iraq anymore, so that didn't really make much sense........
by BarbersQuad on Dec 10, 2009 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
Turncoat
Changing team allegiances due to a move is treason, and reflective of the fair weather fandom in San Diego. Tex spent decades in the oil fields of Texas, and never considered stabbing Tom Landry in the back upon the move to Montecito.
by Montecito Tex on Dec 10, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
I moved when I was 13, and I wasn’t a sports fan before the move. I only liked the Cowboys because my friend, who liked and watched sports, like the Cowboys. He also liked Duke basketball and the Yankees. After I actually started watching/liking sports, I realized that I’d rather die a slow death than be a front-runner and started rooting for my local teams (which were the Padres and Chargers).
The fact that I sat through years with Ryan Leaf, Erik Kramer, Moses Moreno and the like as the QB for the Chargers should be enough proof that I’m not a fair weather fan.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Dec 10, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
Don't forget Doug Flutie
he had a great game or two as a Charger QB…
of course you also got to have Drew Brees (who was inexplicably run out of town, at least to my mind)
Congrats on having two great QBs in a row, that’s something Dallas has had major issues with since Staubach-White.
1. He wasn’t run out of town.
2. His departure is easily explained.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Dec 11, 2009 6:23 AM CST up reply actions
okay, as an outsider, I can understand how I don't see the reasons behind why they did so
but I would be curious to know how a legitimate QB was given the heave-ho by management, who then went on to be a great one for NO, even though you now another good one in Rivers.
Perhaps a change of scenery and all that? Just genuinely curious.
Here was the situation. It’s funny because I have to explain this every week now.
1. Brees was a roller-coaster of a QB in San Diego. He has great seasons (like 2004) and really awful ones (like 2003). If he had been consistently as good as he is with New Orleans now, Rivers never would’ve been drafted in the first place.
2. Brees was a free agent at the end of 2005 (his final season in San Diego). He was playing well, and the team had plans to franchise him, and then in the final game of the season he injured his throwing shoulder. This wasn’t a minor injury either, he immediately needed surgery and all signs pointed to him turning into Chad Pennington afterwards. Even if he was going to get back to 100%, nobody thought he would be able to do it by the beginning of the following season.
3. Do you remember the Drew Brees bidding war? The free agent frenzy? Of course you don’t, because there wasn’t one. With so many teams in the league that need help at QB, you’d imagine every one of them would be offering him a contract. That’s how much faith everyone had in him as a player, and in his shoulder recovering.
Brees got three offers. Miami, who was losing Gus Frerotte, gave Brees an offer that would pay him backup QB money. New Orleans and San Diego offered Brees the exact same contract (same years, same money) which was little bit more. NO was coming off a 3-13 season, had the 2nd pick in the draft and just hired Sean Payton. SD was coming off a 9-7 season, but told him that he’d have to beat out Rivers in camp for the starter’s job. He went with job security, and nobody blames him for doing it.
So you see, the Chargers made the right move. Nobody in the NFL knew if he’d recover, but the Bolts still offered him the same contract that he accepted and told him he’d have a chance to compete with Rivers for the starting job. To give him more money than that and keep Rivers on the bench for another season (he already spent 2 years there), when his throwing shoulder was in tatters and he hadn’t been all that great anyways, would’ve been ridiculous.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Dec 12, 2009 8:43 AM CST up reply actions
you should just save this
so you dont have to re-write it every week
Nice to meet you! I mean, you kindov suck but my dad says you might be good some day. (Stan Marsh talking to Jay Cutler on South Park)
I appreciate the writeup, and sorry if you have to answer it each week
I guess NO just lucked out that Brees’ shoulder was fine. Would have been an interesting situation if Brees had NOT damaged his shoulder, would Rivers still be on the bench? Or would he be trade bait? Just speculating. I don’t think anyone would be able to stock a Joe Montana-Steve Young QB stable anymore, but you guys seemed to come closest, and a similar situation as well in that the starter was shipped out after injury.
Hope you enjoy the game (but not TOO much). :)
Better to Trade a Player a Year Early than a Year Late...
No compensation received for Brees or Michael Turner, see Richard Seymour.
by Montecito Tex on Dec 12, 2009 1:22 AM CST up reply actions
See above for why you’re wrong about Brees.
The same situation kindof exists with Turner as well. The Chargers couldn’t afford to have the 2 highest paid RBs on the same team, and at that point LT was still a perennial MVP candidate. They didn’t want to franchise Turner because they knew he’d cause a headache by not reporting and demanding a trade.
Their hands were tied in that situation. Anyone who says they would’ve cut LT (the best RB in the league at that point) and made Turner the highest-paid RB in the league (even though he had only 2 starts in his career) is lying.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Dec 12, 2009 8:46 AM CST up reply actions
He writes in third person
you know that ain’t normal. Just ignore him and if we’re lucky he will go away. As for Terry he’s ok and has alot to offer, but is mesmerized by Romo and the Cowboys in general.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
And there is bye dawk the Philly fan that
spends most of his time trolling the Cowboy blog and hating on the Boys. He and Tex are partners.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
i couild coach
dallas i really couild jerry wouild be bored with my off but once he sees that it works he wouild be okay with it i wouild have 3 rb at once bench r williams make romo feel safe run a no huddlie pound with u big o-line more ware around a lot be like jimmy a littie exeact more calm i wouild love the media oh i wouild beat nyg philly and wash and i wouild for coach for free dotate my sarly to texas firefitgers miltery
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welcome J-man to our site..........
good luck to your Broncos this week against the Colts and keep on being a great fan cause we need more like you
thanks
texstar i always respet the boys a bunch of my high school buddies are big cowboys fans
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thanks
i will i just am so busy everywhere
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oh hey john
i am everywhere lol i hope u are not offend if i root for dalas this week nothing preonal i expect u to root for the colts oh my q is how will u attick newean stop ratliff dalas has as much great players as u do
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I understand
We’ll attack Newman the same way we attack everybody. We’ll get receivers on him that are at least a half-foot taller and 50 pounds heavier, then we’ll throw jump balls at him.
Ratliff is a different animal all together. I imagine he’ll be double-teamed, with a RB left in to block in case he beats it.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Dec 10, 2009 4:14 AM CST up reply actions
that good
newman can jump a long way sholald be a fun game through
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
When Norv was here he was the best
at finding a weakness in the opponents D that I have ever seen. I don’t think he has changed. I think he will go after our secondary with the big WR y’all have until we can stop it.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
Is Gates totally healthy again?
I know last season he wasn’t and he kind of disappeared.
Also, even though the run game hasn’t been working very well, does the offense still use the run to set up play action, or do they now try to throw to loosen up the defense?
Off topic, a little, V Jax is due for a new contract. What’s your guess at the figure amount?
You can't stop Patrick Crayton, you can only hope to contain him.
Yes
Which is the biggest reason why he’s having a career year.
Also, even though the run game hasn’t been working very well, does the offense still use the run to set up play action, or do they now try to throw to loosen up the defense?
They try, very hard, to run to set up the play-action. Somehow, and we really don’t know how, it works even though the running game has no fangs at all. The Chargers offense has four main plays:
1) Running play for a couple of yards
2) Short pass
3) Play-action DEEP pass
4) Trick play (Wildcat, reverse with Naanee throwing downfield, etc.)
You see #2 the most, #3 the second most and #1 if they’re still in the game and looking to chew clock while setting up the bomb.
Off topic, a little, V Jax is due for a new contract. What’s your guess at the figure amount?
Big. I wouldn’t be surprised if they base it off of Fitzgerald’s contract (4 years, $40 mil). So 4-5 years (probably 4, his DUIs scare the team a little bit), and $8-10 mil per. The Chargers will pay it, too.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Dec 10, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
Have you ever seen NFL Network's "MIssing Rings" episode
on the 1981 Chargers? Great stuff…I guess that’s way before your time, but the Chargers of the early 80s were the Original Greatest Show on (Natural) Turf.
I haven't
I’ll look for it.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Dec 10, 2009 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
its really good
IMO
Nice to meet you! I mean, you kindov suck but my dad says you might be good some day. (Stan Marsh talking to Jay Cutler on South Park)
its a good series
chrek it out when u get time
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SDTrueBlue!
Yes..SD in my screen name means San Diego. I hear nothing but chargers talk and see nothing but Powder blue all year. This is like a mini-superbowl for me!
Knowing the Charger’s personnel better than almost any other team than the Cowboys I am confident the Boys can easily win this game. But, if the Boys don’t get out to a big lead in the first half (Chargers also seem to start slow) it plays much more into the Chargers favor.
Chargers seem to be a very close image of the Cowboys. It is only the running game that truly seperates these teams at the moment. The Boys clearly have the better running game. If they can use it effectively they can keep the ball out of Rivers’ hands and really have a shot to win this game.
The effectiveness of the Cowboys running game is going to be the deciding factor on Sunday. If we can run it well, we win. If not, we lose. Fairly simple. Only other X-factor as always is turnovers..one thing the Chargers don’t do often is turn the ball over. If Dallas gives them a few turnovers it will almost certainly cost them the game.
I could see a 10-10 game at the half
with a whole bunch scored in the last two quarters. I wish we could open a good lead, though, and chew up clock. I just don’t want to invite them to become pass-happy, but rather force them into their weak point, if possible, which is the up the middle run. It will be REALLY difficult to stop all the other options they have.
It’s really hard to pick one of those guys this year. Tie.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Dec 11, 2009 6:24 AM CST up reply actions
Strangely enough
Football Outsiders has VJ as the #1 WR in the league this season and Austin as the #8.
However, it shows that they’ve been thrown at about the same amount, have caught roughly the same amount of balls, and Austin has more yards and more TDs. However, VJ’s value over the average WR is much higher and I’m not smart enough to understand why.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Dec 11, 2009 8:41 AM CST up reply actions
I dont know if this factors in
but Austin didn’t start for the first 4 weeks
The Knights season may have just ended, but the Cowboys year is just begining!
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 11, 2009 8:05 PM CST up reply actions
It doesn't.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Dec 12, 2009 8:31 AM CST up reply actions
jackson by a lot
jackson couild be a randy moss type
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I don't think its by a lot
Jackson isn’t close to Moss in his prime.
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
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i just mean
jackson has some of the same things randy has the jumping the sike
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As for Rivers Romo debate I'll give you that Rivers is a bit more efficient
But Romo has a knack for making plays that he has no business making. It’ll give you a heart attack sometimes, but Romo is capable of doing some crazy things to help his team win games.
Agreed
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Dec 11, 2009 6:24 AM CST up reply actions
Romo vs Rivers
Try an ignore my screen name for the moment.
“Ah, a man who likes stats
Romo
63.2% completion
2/1 TD/INT ratio
8.1 Yards Per Attempt
95.1 QB Rating
Rivers
62.8% completion
5/2 TD/INT ratio
7.8 Yards Per Attempt
95.4 QB Rating
Looks roughly even, except Rivers throws less picks and has a better record as a starter. So when I said I thought Rivers was better/more efficient, I was correct according to the statistics.”
Actually you were wrong according to the statistics. QB Rating, of which the two players are nearly identical, is a measure of EFFICIENCY. Romo is equally efficient as Rivers and the stats back this, Rivers has highere TD/INT ratio and Romo has higher completion % and YPA. Where your statement fails is where you claim you would prefere the more efficient QB. Really? Who wouldn’t? What you should have said is that you prefer the more protective QB-which Rivers is. Whereas Romo is clearly the more… for lack of a better term, gunslinger. Now that would be a reasonable opinion, something to which there isn’t necessarily a right or wrong answer. It would he like comparing Peyton vs Favre (a slightly more efficient Favre), you’re going to win with either one; one of them will do better in certain situations rather than others.
by Romo9 on Dec 11, 2009 12:45 AM CST via mobile reply actions
You're right
I’d prefer the QB that’s more protective/careful with the ball.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Dec 11, 2009 6:25 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed
but he still has a worse TD/INT ratio than Rivers this season. So, I still can say that I prefer the QB that’s more protective with the ball and mean Rivers.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Dec 11, 2009 8:42 AM CST up reply actions
Completely understandable
And yes, Romo has been less turnover prone, but that’s not really all efficiency or protective is. A big part yes, but protective is mostly taking less chances. Less chances=less picks, but it also often means less big plays. Even if Romo never through another pick, his current style of play is fairly gunslinger-esque. Also, I’d like to point out I’m not anti-Rivers or anything, I think they’re both top five quarterbacks. And I also came off a bit of a jerk on my earlier post, didn’t mean to.
I don't think you did
Also, I’d like to argue that Rivers is every bit the “gunslinger” Romo is. By that I mean they both take chances with the football that payoff with big plays. Year in and year out, they’re posting roughly the same number of 20+ yard pass plays and 40+ yard pass plays.
After analyzing this to death, it really seems to me that the difference is in the WRs. Rivers may seem to have less picks because he’s more accurate, but perhaps he has less picks because all of his WRs moonlight as skyscrapers and that means he doesn’t have to fit the ball in a tiny window the way Romo does.
I’m amazed at how similar these guys are in terms of stats. With that being said, I still take Rivers over Romo any day of the week. Not that you would expect anything less.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Dec 11, 2009 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
absolutely not
just like I’d take Romo over Rivers any day of the week and twice on Sundays.
They both should have good games Sunday, whether you can stop our running game will be the difference in the game though IMO.
In Romo we Trust
Wouldn't expect anything else.
Good insight on the receivers, but I mean Roy Williams is 6’4", Witten 6’2", Miles Austin is 6’3", and T.O. was 6’3"; maybe not 6’5" but not exactly 5’9" either. My point is Romo has never lacked receivers and I don’t think it is a reasonable handicap.
Also, in terms of “gunslinger”, I’d be interested in seeing your opinion on what the key statistics are in deciding what makes a player a “gunslinger”. I would say Romo takes a few more chances and goes deeper a little more often, at least enough to make up for the fact that Rivers takes better care of the football (how else would their QB rating be so close). This is evidenced by Romo’s slightly higher Y/ATT (career, obviously not this year). Also, I believe Romo leads Rivers in terms of plays of 40/20 yards or more over their career but I couldn’t find such stats. If you could, I’d appreciate a link to the site you got your info on their number of 20/40 plays you mentioned.
Finally, I’d like to say stats aren’t everything (which I’m sure you know), and there isn’t really a stat for improvisational skills, escaping for danger (is there an extending the play stat?), and really there isn’t even a good stat to see who takes more chances. Even 20/40 yards or more stats really are more about YAC for receivers rather than a QB taking a chance down the field. I understand your need of stats, for they are pretty much the only way to look at the game free of bias, but I don’t know if it’s reasonable to make end-all-be-all judgments based on them.
Agreed
On all points.
Rivers
2009: 46 plays of 20+ yards, 12 plays of 40+ yards
2008: 48 plays of 20+ yards, 12 plays of 40+ yards
2007: 44 plays of 20+ yards, 4 plays of 40+ yards
2006: 44 plays of 20+ yards, 5 plays of 40+ yards
Romo
2009: 45 plays of 20+ yards, 14 plays of 40+ yards
2008: 48 plays of 20+ yards, 11 plays of 40+ yards
2007: 55 plays of 20+ yards, 11 plays of 40+ yards
2006: 42 plays of 20+ yards, 9 plays of 40+ yards
As you mentioned, this is somewhat of a subjective stat based on YAC. That explains why Rivers’ numbers went up when Vincent Jackson finally became a starter. Still, the fact these each of these guys is in the top 5 in big play QBs for each of the past two years should show some similarities.
I never thought of Rivers as a “gunslinger” and probably never will just by watching him play. However, his stats are so close to those of Romo (besides the TD/INT ratio being a little better) that it’s hard for me to categorize one as careful and the other as reckless.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Dec 11, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks for the link,
I checked NFL.com but must have missed the stat earlier. One last thing I’d like to point out is that 2007 (By far Romo’s best so far) is actually Romo’s only full season. He missed 3 games in 2008 and came in midway through 2006, whereas Rivers has played every game from 2006-2008. If you were to take into account big plays per playing time then Romo would be ahead fairly substantially over their careers. This year, different story but we’ll have to see how it ends.
Looks like they are both
damn good QBs, Kinda splitting hairs to call one better than the other.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
Agreed
I really am trying not to argue one over the other. If I were starting a team I wouldn’t have a problem with either; in fact, it might come down to those two players. Just merely different styles of play for getting the same job done, they’re both winners (possibly not, we should let Kieth Brooking decide).
Will San Diego let Vincent Jackson or Malcolm Floyd hit Free Agency?
because I would like one of them
think john mentioned it earlier
Malcolm will possibly walk, (i personally hope he doesn’t) Vincent isn’t going anywhere. if there is not a new cba Vincent will be a RFA anyways, and even if there is a new cba i couldn’t imagine the chargers letting him walk. whether it be a new contract or a franchise tag.
hope you dont mind me answering this one john.
Nice to meet you! I mean, you kindov suck but my dad says you might be good some day. (Stan Marsh talking to Jay Cutler on South Park)
cool thanks
What is your opinion of Malcolm Floyd? specifically hands, route running, quickness, and speed
i love floyd
I love Floyd, some of the best hands on the team. Big strong hands. tall lanking guy. better top end speed then quickness, has a great leaping ability. he will make big plays but not a lot of small plays if that makes sense. not the greatest route runner but does a decent job.
he was undrafted and has slowly moved his way into the starting lineup, his only problem in the past has been staying healthy but he has been this year.
here are some highlights from this year: (notice they are all bombs)
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000d5d8149a715/Malcom-Floyd-Highlight-WK-12-vs-Chiefs-2009
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d813dbe09/Floyd-deep-leaping-catch
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/09000d5d812f529d/WK-3-Can-t-Miss-Play-Flyin-Floyd
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-fantasy/09000d5d812cb8d0/Malcom-Floyd-Highlight-WK-02-vs-Ravens-2009
Nice to meet you! I mean, you kindov suck but my dad says you might be good some day. (Stan Marsh talking to Jay Cutler on South Park)
here is another really good catch
but this one is from last year
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/09000d5d80c56a19/WK-10-Can-t-Miss-Play-Floyd-reception
Nice to meet you! I mean, you kindov suck but my dad says you might be good some day. (Stan Marsh talking to Jay Cutler on South Park)
cool
We could use someone like that (other than Austin) who can stretch the field. Hopefully you guys don’t resign him. Hehe.
I'd take him 2-Legedu Naanee
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I appreciate the help. For some reason this site isn’t letting me know when there’s new comments, so I was under the impression that the conversation had died down.
I think they both come back, honestly. Floyd is only allowed to walk if Demetrius Byrd or Buster Davis show something, which they won’t.
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by John Gennaro on Dec 12, 2009 8:29 AM CST up reply actions
What's your take on ex-Cowboy Kevin Burnett's play this year?
You can't stop Patrick Crayton, you can only hope to contain him.
Burnett has been arguably the best LB on the team when he’s healthy. Unfortunately, he’s had a hard time staying healthy in training camp and has missed a few games during the season. If the team can figure out a way to keep him on the field, he could be a Pro Bowler.
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by John Gennaro on Dec 12, 2009 8:24 AM CST up reply actions
Burnett had that same problem here.......
Staying healthy was the main reason that he didn’t do better here imo.
Key differences appear to be
SD has more team speed, DAL is a better running team. Key matchups appear to be our Run O vs a depleted SD line offset by SD’s big, strong WR’s vs DAL secondary that can give up big plays.
I lived in OC for 8 years up until ‘03 – agree the Bolts aren’t going anywhere. And Jack Murphy Stadium is not a good venue(Qualcomm is the ultimate lipstick on a pig moniker). The word in the early part of the decade was a stadium would be bulit at the old El Toro Marine airfield. It could have been the best of all worlds – returning a team to the LA area, drawing on an affluent OC fan base while continuing to draw from SD County. But I believe the NFL was insistent a team be in LA. And so they trotted out the Coliseum. Again. Ugh.
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You should see the stadium they’re building in the City of Industry for whoever wants it. It’s the closest thing to JerryWorld west.
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by John Gennaro on Dec 12, 2009 8:25 AM CST up reply actions
Evenly matched? Not in this little stat.
Dallas is 3rd in the league in scoring an offensive TD from outside the Red Zone, with 12 TDs. PHI (14) and NO (13) lead the table.
San Diego leads the league (with DEN and IND) in allowing the fewest offensive TDs from outside the Red Zone with 2.
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by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 12, 2009 1:30 AM CST reply actions
That sounds even
One team is good at scoring from outside the red zone, and the other is good at keeping the opponent from scoring from outside the red zone. An even score (0-0) is an even match.
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by John Gennaro on Dec 12, 2009 8:26 AM CST up reply actions
Just wanted to say thanks to John (obviousman)
For taking the time to answer so many questions. Much appreciated. I will go back to rooting for SD after this weekend. I’ve always liked the Chargers since the Fouts era.
You can't stop Patrick Crayton, you can only hope to contain him.
I concur.
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by Aaron Novinger on Dec 13, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
+1
The Knights season may have just ended, but the Cowboys year is just begining!
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 13, 2009 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
It was my pleasure.
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by John Gennaro on Dec 14, 2009 5:59 AM CST up reply actions

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