Cowboys Injury Update...and is Romo the New Holder?
by Aaron Novinger on Dec 9, 2009 10:03 PM CST
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Wednesday's practice showcased quite the surprise on special teams. Don't look now, but Tony Romo could be the Cowboys' new holder come Sunday.
Hat tip to what_the_crap for the FanPost.
From Nick Eatman:
Although head coach Wade Phillips joked that it would be a "game-time decision" to have Romo take over the duties, he all but pegged the quarterback for his new role.
"We let him hold today quite a bit to see how he did," Phillips said. "And (special teams coach Joe DeCamillis) was very impressed. We felt like he would be. Tony is a pretty good holder."
Make the jump for Wednesday's injury update.
The Dallas injury list has grown with the addition of TE Martellus Bennett's concussion suffered in the Giants' game, and both FB Deon Anderson and CB Terence Newman have soreness in their knees.
FS Ken Hamlin also did not practice today because of his high ankle sprain, which makes it doubtful he will return in time to take on the Chargers.
From the ESPNDallas blog:
As for the injuries, Phillips didn't think safety Ken Hamlin (ankle) would return for Sunday's game against the Chargers. Fullback Deon Anderson (knee) could practice tomorrow.
As for backup tight end Martellus Bennett (concussion), things are little uncertain, though Phillips was hopeful the second-year man from Texas A&M might practice.
But, Bennett was having some physical problems. He hurt a shin in the Giants game, and then suffered a concussion somehow.
"He came in and said he was kinda foggy and his eyes hurting," Phillips said.
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Yea, I know that but is it a good idea to have your starting QB hold for the kicker?
~Texas Massacre '09~
but its an even worse idea
if your starting QB moves the team fifty yards and to end the drive with zero points.
agree
let’s say it’s late in the game and the cowboys are down by 2. romo is moving the team down field, but things stall in the red zone, where romo is hit/sacked hard on 2nd and 3rd downs. now we’re trying to line up a field goal, and a wobbly romo stays in the game to hold…
I love the idea of having Romo hold
I honestly wondered why they didn’t do it once they considered bumping Brad Johnson down to 3rd QB.
He’s really good at it. He did it for about 3 years, and only once(when the ball was an ice cube…CONSPIRACY!) did we see anything out of the ordinary. It adds another dimension, too. Romo’s much more dangerous with the ball in a fake FG situation. Good call, and one that should have been made last year.
Epic Fail since 1985
by the red scare on Dec 9, 2009 10:40 PM CST up reply actions
the choke
had more to do with romo’s makeup
than the ball
He has repeated it many times big game … Romo plays poorly
Playoffs, closing of stadiums, opening of stadiums ==== big chokes
did you win?
5-14 record in December and January for a .600 team
Sure sounds like ….. when the pressure is on …. Romo fumbles the snap
I should also add that I still want Nick Folk gone, like yesterday
Epic Fail since 1985
by the red scare on Dec 9, 2009 10:43 PM CST up reply actions
so when kickers as accurate as he has been
have a few bad games in a year , we just give them the boot? Have faith man. The kid can kick and he will get the swagger back.
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Simon Noble
This is very personal for me
He’s the reason I’m not in the play offs in my fantasy league.
I had Chris Johnson, Matt Forte, Andre Johnson, Philip Rivers, Cincy’s D. I was a decent kicker away from winning it all, man. It’s not fair. Nick Folk must pay.
Plus I have a hetero man crush on Beuhler.
Epic Fail since 1985
by the red scare on Dec 9, 2009 11:24 PM CST up reply actions
Not Folk' or the Cowboys fault.
Come on. I cut in Fantasy Folk due to his misses kicks three weeks ago. In real football you have to consider things like the best long term decision and contracts, available street free agents etc . Not so in fantasy football; If a kicker gives you pause, you cut him and get some picker playing a team like Cleveland.
You got to blame the fantasy GM for that one.
Cut him the second he costed me a game with that 1 point effort in Washington
But the damage was done. THE MAN SHOULD NEVER WORK AGAIN.
Epic Fail since 1985
by the red scare on Dec 10, 2009 5:31 AM CST up reply actions
I watch most of the Cowboys games..Has he missed many? He couldn't have missed
as many as Tynes..and there isn’t anyone out there to replace a kicker with..That missed field goal had nothing to do with the outcome of the game..Tynes has had a couple of them where the missed kick had a major impact on the outcome..He hasn’t lost us a game…yet, but he has made them mighty interesting..Romo would be the best choice if they want to switch holders..He muffed one snap (and there was something wrong with that ball), it was very costly when he did, but the guy is the best choice to handle a snap..and I agree he does offer up a fake threat.
Actually, I can't understand why teams have seemingly abandoned the fake field goal.
In fact, correct me if I’m wrong, but I haven’t seen one yet this year..In your guys case, Williams is showing his game again..If Romo was holder and Williams released to the corner, that is a sure TD.
Washington scored on a fake FG a few weeks ago
Epic Fail since 1985
by the red scare on Dec 10, 2009 5:33 AM CST up reply actions
Thanks Red..
Didn’t see that one..I don’t follow the Skins..much..Although they are starting to get me a little nervous in recent games..but anyway the fake field goal has become a rarity for some reason.
It was against NY
1st game dude. You must have blocked it out.
You can't stop Patrick Crayton, you can only hope to contain him.
by APerfectStar on Dec 10, 2009 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
Nope, Star had it right, it was week 1 vs. Giants
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009091310/2009/REG1/redskins@giants#tab:watch
(Hope I got the right highlight)
by Road Warrior on Dec 10, 2009 6:14 PM CST up reply actions
Ok, on second click, the highlight didn't quite work....
but I assure you, Hunter Smith (holder) sold the kick and ran it in for the TD. You can find it on NFL.com.
by Road Warrior on Dec 10, 2009 6:17 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks
You can't stop Patrick Crayton, you can only hope to contain him.
by APerfectStar on Dec 11, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
Washington did it in the opening game too
and their holder has a stronger arm, than their QB
If we can cut the most accurate kicker in history..
then we can cut Nick Folk. But then again we don’t have Parcells running this team anymore..
sorry bro
i didn’t see your reply before i added my own…
It's not that I'm saying we're due a playoff win, but I didn't have my license to drive when we won our last one...
by bulldog jeeper on Dec 10, 2009 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
it hasn't been a few bad games...
it’s been a bad YEAR for Folk after a great few years.
Vanderjagt had a bad few games after the most accurate career EVER.
what have you done for me lately?
It's not that I'm saying we're due a playoff win, but I didn't have my license to drive when we won our last one...
by bulldog jeeper on Dec 10, 2009 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
ok so before this year he had romo as the holder and
Johnson. Now a new holder in McBriar and he is having a terrible season. That is the first reason to me and glad they are making a change. The guy is a good kicker and before this year I never worried about a miss. We all remember this kid two years ago right? The Buffalo game? I think the holder plays a big part in it and McBriar already stated he wasn’t doing it right. We will see now but cutting him first would have been a bogus move.
"When people talk about Super Bowl dynasties they mention the 1970's Steelers, 1980's 49ers, 1990's Cowboys and the current New England Patriots, but nobody has dominated the Super Bowl like Anheuser-Busch. In recent years, Budweiser has been the MVP of Super Bowl advertising -- making another company the favorite to win the Ad Meter poll was never an option."
Simon Noble
Romo never held for Folk before
Johnson was holder since his rookie year before this season.
In Romo we Trust
You're right that was not so Gramatica.......
good catch Terry :). my bad. Well then that further proves my point. Johnson was his only holder and he was downright awesome and this year not so much :)
"When people talk about Super Bowl dynasties they mention the 1970's Steelers, 1980's 49ers, 1990's Cowboys and the current New England Patriots, but nobody has dominated the Super Bowl like Anheuser-Busch. In recent years, Budweiser has been the MVP of Super Bowl advertising -- making another company the favorite to win the Ad Meter poll was never an option."
Simon Noble
kickers are funny dudes
they really are creatures of habit and routine and have to have things in a particular way or it messes them up. Holders are much more important than the average fan thinks, how the ball is sitting there when it is being kicked is extremely important to most kickers.
In Romo we Trust
Man, just earlier today they said they we'ren't changing holders (calvin watkins article)
Well, i really don’t see a problem with Romo doing it. Imagine the fake field goal possibilities
It's a big mistake
I don’t care what these guys say to the press, they remember last year, and they are feeling the pressure. The differences betwen teams is so small, and the mental aspect of this game is huge. Not the time to make a switch like this.
Let’s give Romo one more thing to think about and worry about?
This is up there (down there?) with the ridiculous decision to play Terry Glenn a few years back.
It's the result of a huge mistake
But the huge mistake was made in August. Got to have a solid holder and at least one other player you trust in the role who happens not to be your starting QB.
+1
McBriar hasn’t suddenly gotten worse at holding. He must have even improved a little since early in pre-season.
I guess Kitna can’t do it, maybe the same reason he seems to fumble snaps a lot. Who knows.
Several calls for Crayton to be tried out as the holder seemed sensible, also.
At any rate, if Romo is the best option at this point I’m sure he’ll do a solid job. I don’t see the big deal. As long as I see the old Folk drilling FG’s right down the middle from 40+, I don’t care.
You can't stop Patrick Crayton, you can only hope to contain him.
by APerfectStar on Dec 10, 2009 3:56 AM CST up reply actions
Does the holder get hit alot?
Romo did it for years, I thought it was second nature to him. Why not let him hold if he wants to. I didn’t see anything wrong with McBriars holds, but if it helps the kicker get over his yips then go for it.
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
if Kitna is this stud of a backup
without trying to be overly simplistic, is he trying to learn how to hold? if he’s taken shotgun snaps in the past, he’s bound to have fairly decent hands. what’s the issue?
It's not that I'm saying we're due a playoff win, but I didn't have my license to drive when we won our last one...
by bulldog jeeper on Dec 10, 2009 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
Kitna said that he sux at it.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
Everyone says he sux at it.
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by Aaron Novinger on Dec 10, 2009 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
but at some point, kitna needs to realize he's not starter quality anymore
it’s a skillset he should develop if he wants to extend his career as a backup…
It's not that I'm saying we're due a playoff win, but I didn't have my license to drive when we won our last one...
by bulldog jeeper on Dec 10, 2009 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
I dont' see a problem with romo holding, i think he can handle the pressure. Hell, danny white
used to punt when he was starting qb.
The real problem is folk, i don’t by the holder BS. Maybe it’s a psychological thing and folk will start making kicks. If folk misses in the chargers game, no more excuses, and he must be cut.
whatever it takes to win
I’m sure that’s what Tony told Wade/JJ
Also, a question. Folk has not missed an XP. I wonder if his shanks are due to the hold
by McBriar and the hash mark involved ?
His XP seem to be 90% down the middle and lots of height , thats whats raised the question for me
Holding
for field goals is just another incentive for Tony to score touchdowns.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
I think with Romo
holding, they have the ability to run the fake FG.
they are going to need some ‘unexpected’ plays over the next four weeks so maybe this is just an excuse to get him in there and have ‘anything’ be an option.
I think the fake would've been most potent with Crayton holding
But Romo gives you some options too, obviously.
Honestly, though, fake field goals are a crap shoot and there are a lot of defenders very close to the line of scrimmage who are already running hard at your holder and kicker…I worry about putting the QB in a bad situation with high injury potential there. I’d only want to do it in a high reward circumstance.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
I heard a question ask this morning on the radio.
Why do you never see a black player as the holder? I had never thought about it, but I don’t remeber ever seeing a black player as the holder.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
Randall Cunningham and Rodney Peete both held at certain points in their careers
Holders are almost always QBs or punters. The radio question should have been: Why do you not see black QBs and punters? The answer is obviously that you do, but there are fewer of them. As for the “why” on that, it’s likely a much larger topic.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
i agree about the fake FG
that they are risky, all but a crab shoot, but i think with the starting QB in there on the hold, he can make a possible call at the line with the D that he sees…
i think they are just putting the best ball handler in there with some POSSIBLE opprotunities to get that first down, instead of possibly missing a kick.
Has he been practicing holding all season?
Holding for a kicker is all about reps. To be really good at it, you have to do it over and over and over and over and over. I’ll compare it to Mario Kart – My former company went under last year and for a time I was unemployed, and thus playing a TON of Mario Kart. I was awesome, almost a Mario Kart savant. Some of the most difficult turns/maneuvers were routine to me back then. I could be 12 beers deep and still smoke people. But if you put me in front of that game right now, I’d suck. And if I spent the time to get as good as I once was, my performance at work would suffer mightily.
Kind of the same thing here. Has Romo been putting in the reps all season? Maybe, but I doubt it. If he puts in the necessary time needed to be a competent holder, will his focus on playing the most important position on the field suffer?
I’m not going as far as to say he’s going to botch a hold like he did in Seattle, but this just seems like an extraordinary roll of the dice.
Some good news and bad news in the stats dept
From Football Outsiders on this weekend’s game:
“Get ready to watch Tony Romo scrambling around on third down — while the Chargers’ pass rush gets nowhere near him. Romo takes fewer sacks on third down than he does on first and second down — and the Chargers rank sixth in Adjusted Sack Rate on first and second down, but 30th on third down. The Chargers’ pass rush also ranks dead last in the NFL when it comes to quarterback hits that knock the passer down after a pass.
Dallas could be in serious trouble when San Diego decides to spread the field and go shotgun. The Chargers have the league’s best DVOA in shotgun and average 2.6 yards per play more when using the shotgun compared to other plays. The Cowboys’ defense, on the other hand, gives up 2.3 yards per play more against the shotgun, the biggest gap of any defense in the league. Dallas ranks 30th in DVOA against the shotgun but fifth in DVOA against plays with the quarterback under center."
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Odd that our defense is significantly worse against the shotgun, seeing as how our offense runs it so frequently
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Kinda like how we don't play well vs. 3-4 defenses.
by Road Warrior on Dec 10, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not sure if that's true
We don’t play well against top 10 defenses, and the 3-4 units that we’ve played lately have been in that category (Steelers, Broncos, Packers). We scored 26 against KC, which runs a 3-4…that’s pretty decent IMO.
This week will be a good test of the “Dallas struggles vs. the 3-4” theory. We get a defense that runs a 3-4 scheme but is only mediocre overall.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
True about KC, but only 20 in regulation.
Plus, Denver, GB and KC just put it in, which is rather disturbing.
I’m just thinking we should be better vs. the 3-4 since we’ve been practicing against it for years.
by Road Warrior on Dec 10, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
and how much we miss Ken Hamlin, I think
I refuse to trust this defense until he gets back and is on a roll. Alan Ball inspires zero trust in me.
Scandrick has also had the quality of burnt toast this year. He gets good to decent coverage but fails to make a play on the ball, or doesn’t even turn for the ball. Twice this year he’s had interceptions if he just put out his hands and turns his head to watch for it. Instead they were both touchdowns for the other team.
It's
going to be a good game. I don’t know who will win, but Im sure I’ll be entertained.
by what_the_crap on Dec 10, 2009 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
JoeD wanted to keep it a secret
that Romo is holding untill Sunday and maybe fake a FG if the situation was favorable. That is a good idea IMO, but it’s too late now. By the way Romo only screwed up one time while he was the holder and it was the most important one.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
Good Move!
I remember during the glory days of the early 90’s when Jay Novacek would hold for field goals. He did it because he was the best one on the team at it. If Romo’s the best, by all means, have him do it.
Tim Seder, too.
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by Aaron Novinger on Dec 10, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
Romo
Has oppurutnity to help himself and the team. Missed field goals are huge..
I
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So according to the new concussion rules Marty B, should not play?
nobody is talking about it, but might be a huge void for this game
That's what it sounds like.
John Phillips has taken over in practice.
What sucks is that Cricket is banged up too, so that limits their big packages.
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by Aaron Novinger on Dec 10, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
with all the emotions about the loss, the concussion news just blindsided me
did he came out of the game? was it in the 4th quater?
I remember it, but I can't recall when it happened. He was tackled hard
after a catch and didn’t get up right away. It didn’t look like his head even hit anything, but I guess it did.
It did seem late in the game...don't remember exactly.
I seem to recall him on the ground, turning over slowly onto his back. The FOX guys didn’t address it in my recollection.
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by Aaron Novinger on Dec 10, 2009 6:03 PM CST up reply actions
More 4 Wide with Ogletree?
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I'd take it.
That Austin in the backfield flavor is tasty too…gets RW open somehow.
Cricket’s fine, though.
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by Aaron Novinger on Dec 10, 2009 6:04 PM CST up reply actions
Quote from Romo on taking the new role
Blockquoted paragraph “I’d prefer not to do it, I think, for obvious reasons,” Romo said Thursday. "Pops told me one time, ‘Leadership is doing what has to be done.’
That’s exactly what you want to hear from your QB in this situation. This is going to bring up dozens of media questions about the lowest point of his professional career, a moment in which he actually wept on the field, but he’s doing it for the betterment of the team.
I understand that there are those out there with their gripes about him, but I can’t help but think sometimes that we are lucky to be able to root for a guy who is so likeable and seems like a genuinely good dude.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
+1
Romo may not be the best Qb in the NFL, but he ain’t far from it. I wouldn’t trade him for any other QB.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
Can you imagine
What will happen if he gets to hold for a very important FG and scores a touchdown or something similar, something that causes us to win? Be sorta like an antedote for the disease the media projects on him.
I think it’s a great idea. So much drama, Romo will do great.
Just becuz you put yer boots in the oven don't make it bread
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Dec 10, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
More info on the decision to have Romo hold:
http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/12/joe-decamillis-studied-tony-romos-holds.html
Apparently, he volunteered.
the sign of a great and true leader
If the haters think Romo lacks leadership skills, this definitely proves otherwise.
In Romo we Trust
nah
he just lack throwing and catching skills, especially when his palm get sweaty and the game is big, or if they are opening or closing a stadium
Do we have a new troll on btb?
just what we need, another fool to go with dawk and tex
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
guys a hay is not a Troll
he is just not a Cowboy fan and he hates to see the fact that Romo is a good QB. People its been this way since we were kids. We complain and try to insult the people we are most scared of. Romo is good and thats not what other teams who play us want to see. Especially, our division rivals.
"When people talk about Super Bowl dynasties they mention the 1970's Steelers, 1980's 49ers, 1990's Cowboys and the current New England Patriots, but nobody has dominated the Super Bowl like Anheuser-Busch. In recent years, Budweiser has been the MVP of Super Bowl advertising -- making another company the favorite to win the Ad Meter poll was never an option."
Simon Noble
I disagree
The only thing he posts are derogatory comments about Romo, to me thats a troll. He certainly would be banned on other SN blogs.
In Romo we Trust
you know I posted something on the fan post in BGN
and I hate how when you say an opinion on other sites they bash you. I guess I just feel for people cause I know I would like us to treat other opinions more respectful. Thats only my opinion not me telling anyone how to act.
"When people talk about Super Bowl dynasties they mention the 1970's Steelers, 1980's 49ers, 1990's Cowboys and the current New England Patriots, but nobody has dominated the Super Bowl like Anheuser-Busch. In recent years, Budweiser has been the MVP of Super Bowl advertising -- making another company the favorite to win the Ad Meter poll was never an option."
Simon Noble
a hay is a definite troll
I flagged every one of his comments. Let’s see what happens.
You can't stop Patrick Crayton, you can only hope to contain him.
by APerfectStar on Dec 11, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
Take off troller
You’re even less imaginative than Tex.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Let me first say that there's a lot of logic behind this move
He did for a while, and if the team thinks he’s the best bet, OK.
That said…If he happens to mess up another big one., jesus. The media will absolutely destroy him and try to make his holding issues his legacy. Sort of like how half of what you hear about Gerald Ford now is about him falling down.
Hopefully, he'll be nice and steady and nothing bad will happen. If he does
make a mistake, well, he’s human, and one hopes that the media and fans will remember that he didn’t want to do this but volunteered to help the team, and that they won’t act like asses and turn on him.
Well my opinion on Romo holding..
I have to tell you guys, when he muffed that hold I never saw a more disappointed look on a players face..I am a Giant fan but I felt really bad for him (I still think something was wrong with that damn ball I think they had it in a freezer)..but bottom-line.. people need to cut him some slack..He’s the best guy for the job..He handles all the snaps and does it well..Was that a heartbreaker?..Hell yeah it was..It was written all over his face, My man Parcellls face..everybody’s face..but that’s football sometimes..and it most likely still weighs heavy on his mind..Y’all should be proud of him to offer up doing it again…Having said that, I watched that snap over and over again and it was a good hold..Folk just blew it..those laces were spun in the perfect position..Maybe Folk didn’t like the angle, I don’t know maybe that was it..but it is the Kickers responsibility to get the job done..that’s why all coaches can’t stand them..They’ll be games where they get a ball snapped into mud, snow, sleet their job is to kick it no matter what the conditions are…and then go hide again.
Bobbi come on out of the closet
you know you are really a fan of America’s Team.
How bout dem Frogs!!!!
Most of my friends are Giants fans
and while they busted my chops without mercy, they all said that something was up with that ball. I thought so too, but I did not say anything becuse I did not want to look like a homer
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