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It’s all about Owens…it really is!

ESPN should be happy with this revelation.  It should keep their talking heads happy for the month of March, after all the combine chatter has died down and NCAA basketball takes center stage.

 

Despite trying to make this last botched Cowboys season about Romo, the coaches, the offensive line, the defense, injuries, and so forth, the real focal point should be Terrell Owens.

 

OK.  That’s overstating it, but Terrell Owens is presented with the opportunity to finally quiet his critics with a Super Bowl win.  Once Terrell has his Super Bowl ring, nobody can question whether he adversely affects team chemistry with his antics on and off the field.  All Owens and the Cowboys have to do to get their sixth Lombardi trophy is work together to achieve it.

 

Of course this has not happened yet, and poor teamwork led to the demise of the 2008 team.  It was one of the most embarrassing seasons ever as a Cowboys fan.  So here is why it will be different in 2009:

 

Jerry (the real leader of the team – not Wade) will sit down with Terrell and explain to Owens what the Cowboys need from him in order for both entities to capture the championship.  This meeting would be most effective with Wade and future head coach/ offensive coordinator, Jason Garrett in the room.  Michael Irvin should also be in the room as an intermediary to support both Jerry and Terrell.

 

Whether you like or not, Terrell is a leader on this team, and needs to exert that power to further the accomplishment on this team.  In other words, Owens can never speak out publicly against any coach or player…EVER.  Privately, Terrell needs to be in players’ faces, pushing them at practice, demanding that all players (except Romo) practice harder and measure up to his work-out standards, and that conduct detrimental to the team not be tolerated.

 

Terrell Owens needs to become the Michael Irvin for this generation of players, which is why having Irvin in the meeting, would be beneficial.  Owens’ teammates like him and follow him, like they did Michael, but his Cowboys’ teammates need to respect him.  And like Michael, he needs to leave the quarterback alone: the coaches (specifically Jason Garrett) and Tony (himself) need to direct the quarterback.

 

It is obvious that Romo is suited to be the quiet leader that garners respect by working hard and doing the right thing.  He has not done this yet, but his most recent interview suggests that he is positioning himself to fill this role. 

 

Witten and Barber III are also quiet leaders that lead through deeds more so than through words.  This quality core of players can provide a great foundation for hard work, dedication, and self-sacrifice, but only in the company of an outspoken, verbal leader.  A role that Owens could easily fill, and should.  There needs to be someone calling out the lazy, underachieving element of this team that is too dense to learn through example.

 

Terrell Owens needs to be involved in the offense (the stats below show that), but the offense needs to go through players that can produce consistently.  Players like Barber III, Jones, Choice, and Witten (and maybe Bennett) need to get the majority of the opportunities, while Roy Williams and Terrell Owens make occasional big-plays (catches more than 20 yards downfield).

 

This type of offense lends itself to the strengths of the Cowboys team.  It will protect Romo from taking too many hits with resulting fumbles (thanks to not having to hold onto the ball for as long with a questionable offensive line), and from forcing too many passes downfield into coverage.  It hinges upon Owens being happy with wins, extolling a team concept, and not worrying about personal statistics.  If Terrell displays that attitude, the rest of the team will follow: the definition of being a leader.

 

It is obvious that the star power on this team is extraordinary.  This team needs to work together as a team, and the head coach is incapable of instilling this attitude.  The owner needs to use the resources at his disposal to get the job done.  Terrell Owens is the answer to what most ails this team, if he is willing to don that responsibility.  If Owens chooses not to be the answer, however, he will just continue to represent all that is holding this team back from a sixth Super Bowl.

 

It is really that easy.  Time for Jerry to lead, and pass the torch to Terrell.  I hope that he accepts the responsibility, takes it, and runs with it.

 

Stat summary

 

In the games Dallas played with Tony Romo against teams that finished with at least 8 wins, the Cowboys finished 3-5.  Romo’s numbers were pretty close to his numbers against lesser opponents with the exception that he threw 15 TD’s and 10 INT’s, while he had 26 TD passes and 14 INT’s overall in the season.  His average gain per pass slipped from 7.7 overall to 6.9 in those tougher games.

 

Witten’s numbers stayed about the same also against teams with at least 8-8 records when Romo was at quarterback.  In fact, Jason’s average yards per reception actually went up slightly against tougher opponents (from 11.8 for the season to 12.4).

 

The biggest difference for the Cowboys against quality opponents was the performance of Terrell Owens.  Owens’ average yards per reception dipped from 15.2 overall to 13.1 against teams that finished at least with a .500 record while Romo was healthy.  While Terrell caught just 69 passes all season, 36 came in those tougher games, so he was still getting opportunities, but he was not making plays downfield.

 

The Cowboys struggled in games where Terrell could not make plays downfield.  Romo forced more throws in those games, leading to more interceptions.  Jason Witten stepped up his performance in those games.  The injuries to the running backs made it pointless to compare the performance of the running game.

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But if you're going to allow Romo, Witten, Barber to be themselves, how

can you ask TO not to be? I’ve never seen any evidence yet that this guy can consistently be selfless and a team player. I’d love for him to step up and lead without undermining his QB and coaches in the process, but I just don’t think he can or wants to. He’s 34 or 35 years old. He’s had all the time in the world figure this out.

by Fernie67 on Feb 10, 2009 5:04 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Why would I rely on info from some rag arm and a fat slob.?

McFlabb was the reason they lost the SB…I don’t question that….TO played lights out…wanted a raise, and security with an extention…..they denied it…so he went off….I was behind him 100%…..your career can be over on any given play….no guarantee’s in the NFL my friend….got to get the money when the irons hot…

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 11, 2009 9:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's Time for T.O. to go
Romo forced more throws in those games, leading to more interceptions. Jason Witten stepped up his performance in those games.

Romo did force throws, and mainly to Owens. I don’t have the games recorded or anything like that, but I’d like to know how many of the balls that were intercepted were intended for Owens. I know that QB’s have to get the best player the ball, but it shouldn’t be out of fear of their receivers post game interview. I’ve been flip flopping like crazy over the whole release / Keep T.O. talk, and it’s complicated it really is. Owens is a great talent, and the word great gets tossed around too much, he is still one of the best and coordinators still lose sleep trying to stop him. He makes the team more dangerous without question…..but does he make the TEAM better. The most talented team isn’t the one that usually wins. I like looking at the Pats first superbowl when looking at what makes a great TEAM… i can honestly say I can’t name there number 1 receiver, and their RB was antione smith (a nobody basically). I could go on and on, who was brady back then? But the point is that the best players don’t win games the best TEAMS do. SO that being said does having TO actually help Dallas. He is team killer and nobody can dispute that he wrecks teams with his antics. But at the same time makes plays that you talk about till next Sunday, and then he does it again.I honestly don’t know, but it hasn’t worked in 3 years, so maybe it’s time to try something new. Maybe you see if there is a market for him and see who your could get if anybody. My real issue with keeping TO is having this discussion next year and every year he stays, it’s a distraction, just like everything else he does. Everybody likes to say winning cures everythig, I agree, but Dallas hasn’t been winning and the illness is getting worse (12 yrs.) so why not try something new, if your paying RW2 that much why not throw him the ball. If felix is back, Tashard is in the mix, Marion is healthy, Witten is there, RW2 is playing, how in the world will TO be satisfied? he won’t and that will hurt this team. I appreciate what he did in Dallas I do, he got many people excited again about Cowboys football, but now it’s time for Dallas and TO to go there separate ways.

Texas Stadium has a hole in the roof so God can watch his favorite team play football.

by iCowboy on Feb 10, 2009 6:05 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Romo forces passes to everybody.

He just makes bad decisions with the ball.

"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker

by houseofprime on Feb 10, 2009 6:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1 You cant blame TO for Romo forceing throws

To is our best weapon and we need to get him the ball. Romo just needs to make better decisions. With RW in the offense that should be easier

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Feb 10, 2009 8:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1 complete nonsense to state that TO made Romo force balls to him..

Romo is irresponsible with the ball and not having TO will only make it worse…

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 10, 2009 8:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Romo is in charge of who Romo throws the ball to, not T.O.

by PaulFVillarreal on Feb 10, 2009 10:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's Romo's main flaw IMO

forcing passes to everyone. I’ve noticed this even in 07 when he would throw an int in the same game he throws 4 TDs. Those ints are just dumb decisions. Another one of his flaws is holding the ball out wide ready if it to get stripped

by Burt88 on Feb 11, 2009 3:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Feb 11, 2009 8:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

true

but before he badly struggled at the end of the season, I believe Romo was something like top 10 in passing attempts per INTs. You’re forgetting the fact that when you throw as much as we do, and get into as many long yardage situations as we do (probably more than anyone in the league), bad things are gonna happen, because the only way to overcome them is with a qb who takes risks.

Romos worst problems are with the way he holds the ball, but thats also the reason for his superquick release. Again, risk reward. Romo isn’t gonna beat the blitz as often if hes not doing that. In my opinion, its more of a matter of decision making – he needs to know when to tuck it and when he can keep ready to make a play.

by foyesboys on Feb 11, 2009 11:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed that is a flaw of his.

Funny I didn’t see much of that happening until a bunch of players started flapping their gums and Romo and the O.C. obligated plays to appease the loud mouths.

George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?

by Aaron Novinger on Feb 12, 2009 8:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"T.O. All The Time!"

Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/

by silverblue5 on Feb 10, 2009 7:41 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

+1

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Feb 10, 2009 8:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

TO Runs Terrible Routes

TO can’t run the slant; when he did, we ended up with interceptions; TO stuttered step in routes where a defender said ‘boo’ to him; recall an interception early in the Steelers game where Romo put the ball on a dime, and TO was not where he was supposed to be; TO is over the hill. TO is overrated. He drops the ball; he fails to put his head down to gain first down yardage. Please, good bye to TO.

by Iowacowboy on Feb 10, 2009 10:01 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

T.O.'s routes aren't perfect

But to say he can’t run a slant? That was his bread-and-butter in SF. Unless he forgot how to run it, I’m pretty sure he can still complete that route. Now, the results haven’t been so great and that one game with the INT off of the deflection was extremely annoying.

The PIT game INT that was T.O.‘s fault was bad, no denying that. He didn’t finish the route. But, Witten also didn’t look on the final INT of the game. Should he be gone, too?

If T.O. is overrated, what does that make the rest of the playmakers on the team who failed to produce as many yards or TD’s as did Owens?

You don’t pay more money to have your most productive guy walk unless you are trying to hurt your team. That’s my opinion, anyways.

by PaulFVillarreal on Feb 10, 2009 10:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1 But i dont think the Pit int was on TO

It looked more like a misunderstanding than a route hae gave up on

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Feb 10, 2009 11:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1 aussie...It was more poorly thrown ball than anything...

Can’t run a slant ? LMAO….Or Romo can’t lead the slant properly ???

Well we all know that TO runs the slant better than anyone…so I’d have to say Romo’s accuracy on the 2-3 slants run all season were off because of Romo…not Terrell “The Slant” Owens..

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 11, 2009 8:20 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

T.O. quit on the route

any blind person could see that, Romo threw it where it needed to be.

T.O. stopped because he was too scared and intimidated to get hit by Polamalu, its that simple.

T.O. might look like Tarzen, but he has the heart of Jane.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 11, 2009 8:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

oh...here's the authority on all things Romo...

the ball was a wounded duck, and had no business being throw…..please…

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 11, 2009 8:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Feb 11, 2009 8:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If you’re including Witten.....

…..Amongst those quote en quote playmakers whose numbers weren’t as good as Owens; well, duh. Witten even during a great season simply isn’t going to generate as many yards total as Owens during an average season or any other top 25 receiver for that matter. Most good wide outs are going to gain more yards than even elite tight ends and also have gaudier receiving averages. Football 101. Witten still finished 3rd in receptions and 2nd in yards amongst tight ends. He’s still a top two player at his position.

Also any assertion that Witten never approached the kind of success he has had with Owens in the lineup is flat-out false as well. In his 2nd season (’04) playing with that prehistoric relic Testebird throwing to him, Witten had a great season; 87 catches for 980 yards; 2nd in both categories for tight ends. He also made some huge catches in the Cowboys wins the following season with Bledsoe at the helm.

If Witten’s numbers were to shrink this upcoming year without T.O. in the lineup, that would be just as much of an indictment of how lackluster the Cowboys starting receivers were as it would them missing T.O. Like I said, Witten had a monster season in ‘04 with Keyshawn and Glenn out wide and Old Mother Testebird throwing him the ball. I’m going to go out on a limb and say as long as Witten is flanked by legit starting receivers, he’ll be fine.

As for the Pittsburgh game; Witten slipped. That’s somewhat different than running a shoddy route. That being said there is one aspect I will agree with you on about that particular play. Even if it seemed that Romo’s pass was going to be high regardless or Witten’s slip I still don’t think Witten got nearly enough blame for his failing on that particular pass. So I do agree with you in that regard that Witten got a major pass in the blame game for his role in the game-sealing pick six against Pittsburgh. But that probably had as much to do with Romo being such an easy whipping boy as the downright dumb decision making QB than anything. If it was a guy like Brady or Peyton who are far less wreckless with the ball throwing that pass; the tight end that slipped would’ve gotten the majority of the blame. If it smells like a bad decision and looks like a bad decision (or just plain awful pass) Romo isn’t going to get the benefit of the doubt and quite frankly he doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt at this point. Now, by that same token, I don’t think T.O. got vilified nearly enough for losing that long pass in the lights against the Ravens. He drops all these passes and now suddenly he’s not going to be able to track them in the air when he’s wide open deep. Uh oh. That one was almost as bad as his drop against the Redskins in ‘06 that essentially lost that game.

Just to be clear, as far as T.O. goes, I’m one of the few who chooses to see both sides of the coin. Point blank: if T.O. is not here next season, I have a hard time seeing how you replace his production regardless of what drama; perceived or real, he might bring to the locker room. On the other hand, I could do without all the Sherlock Holmes detective work trying to figure out who is the mole and who’s in whose corner and all that tripe. By the way, there couldn’t be a worse guy in T.O.’s corner in all of this than Crayt Diddy. My thoughts on the whole deal are: let’s just say Witten was the mole. Then guess what? You’ve got a whole roster of self-serving crybaby cretins and head cases. The only guys who should be propped up as doing their job like consummate pros on and off the field are Warewolf, Choice, and Ratliff. I would add Barber but even he averaged a fumble every other game.

Back to T.O., the proof is in the pudding. If T.O. is released it’s because enough people in the organization* convinced Jerry he was enough of a royal pain in the arse and bad influence on the roster as a whole that his junkie-like need for self-aggrandizement cancelled out his contributions on the field.
( *However self-serving his detractors’ intentions may have been in getting him booted off the roster. )

Minus T.O., the questions I have about the offense heading into next season are:

1. Can Williams/Austin provide a reasonable facsimile of Meshawn/Glenn? Hear me out before immediately dismissing this comparison. The passing game was fine enough with those two just playing their roles as solid starters; even with Bledsoe at the helm (3,600 yards, 23 TD.) You had your possession guy in Meshawn who even if he wasn’t going to ever create separation could still go up and get jump balls down the field (the force-out catch in the MNF Seahawks game.) Then you obviously had Glenn who was your big play guy. Obviously, at the very least when Jerry traded for Roy he was expecting a big possession type guy who could make the difficult jump ball catches and attack the ball like a Meshawn. Of course, Roy has much more big play capability than Meshawn ever had.

The bigger question (should be) Austin. How will he fare against more difficult match-ups than he’s accustomed to against teams’ elite corners?

2. Being injury prone is as big flaw as any in one’s game. The football gods don’t grant you any leniency or exemptions in the win/loss column because your receivers are brittle pollyannas. (Of course this goes team-wide but relates specifically to my 1st point about Williams/Austin.) In Detroit, Williams only once played a full season so while playing with a bad wheel does help explain why he was so non-existent last year injuries themselves may be the biggest flaw in Williams’ game. If he can’t be counted upon to be in tip top shape for the majority of the season, what does it matter how great he can be when in tip top shape?

Same goes for Austin who’s had injury problems throughout his short career. If these two can’t stay on the field; ready for a hilariously bad passing game consisting of Crayt Diddy, Hurd, Stanback, and whatever bottom-of-the-barrel bargain basement vet that might be on the roster.

3. Can Romo develop the kind of trust with Williams that Aikman had with Irvin? Man, I hate to say it but I kind of doubt it. But that will be the hugest factor in the passing game succeeding if T.O. goes bye bye. Williams must prove he’ll consistently go up and attack the ball and Romo must trust Roy/himself enough to make those passes part of his repertoire. The only guy I’ve seen Romo consistently connect with even when he was tightly covered is Witten. Can a guy who missed far too many wide open targets this past season show the kind of intuition to put jump balls in the right place for a big receiver (he’s just now learning to play with) to go up and get? We shall see.

As a practical matter, if Williams/Austin can replicate the effectiveness of the Meshawn/Glenn tandem and with a three-headed monster running the ball more often, the passing game should still be good for 3,400-3,500 yards and 25 TD’s. Of course, that all assumes too much isn’t taken away from the running game by defenses no longer having to account for T.O. and being able to walk up safeties to the line of scrimmage.

I was hoping and expecting T.O. would at least be on the roster in ’09 to give this core group one last shot before it got blown up. If that’s undoable, it’s foolish to think anybody other than T.O. should be the one to go. Not because he’s a worse teammate or bigger distraction than Witten or Romo but because he’s 36 and I wouldn’t place him higher than a top 10-12 player at his position any longer. If it’s time to move on then get on with it. Because a scenario where T.O. stays and Romo and Witten get traded for Kyle Orton and Greg Olsen ain’t happening.

by MadMick on Feb 11, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh

Why does everyone always jump to the “how do you replace his production?” place instead of looking at the cup being half full? The NYG fans did that after Tiki left and we saw how disastrous that was for them…

Why not approach it as though fewer balls to Owens would mean more screens to Felix, more out’s to RW11, more deep balls to Austin and, most importantly, more running plays (you know, the thing all Super Bowl Champs seem to do well)?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 11, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess you missed the part where I mentioned Williams/Austin could be an effective tandem akin to Meshawn/Glenn.

Except with Williams obviously having more big play capability than an aging Meshawn; that is if you can get past him being injury prone and only having had one great season out of five. Me; I can’t get past that part so easily. I hope Roy will be a solid one for Romo to go to but I’m far from convinced.

Speaking of “how disastrous” and the Giants, we also saw how disastrous is was for them down the stretch this year missing Plaxico.

Also, it’s not just production. It’s production and the fact that defenses having to account for T.O. makes everybody’s job that much easier by placing them in more favorable matchups. When has Austin burned anybody’s starting corner yet? Now considering guys like Jacques Reeves are out there starting I’m sure there’s a couple of starting corners he can sneak by but how will he do against elite corners? Nobody knows.

by MadMick on Feb 11, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Point being that even without T.O.

Dallas has much a more formidable set of skill players than anyone in the NFC East.

And yet, they can’t seem to beat Philly when it counts. And I am not just talking about THIS past year.

I don’t believe that Romo will be able to mature into the QB he needs to be unless he is allowed to grow out from under the shadow that T.O. casts on this offense.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 12, 2009 7:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dude.

So well said. The maturation of Romo is necessary for this team to return to dominance. They should do whatever it takes to help his reach his potential.

T.O. is not in that equation. He does cast an ugly shadow—like him or not. He’s a pain in the arse.

George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?

by Aaron Novinger on Feb 12, 2009 9:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

me

Think about the year he had. Whoopdido—he had a thousand yards. He’s no longer peaking or has any upside.

Mr. Romo on the other hand had a statistically generous season, missing 3.5 games AND he has mad upside!

George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?

by Aaron Novinger on Feb 14, 2009 2:20 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

But the point is that it doesnt have to be an either or situation

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Feb 14, 2009 8:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It shouldn't be.

George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?

by Aaron Novinger on Feb 14, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Bingo!
He drops the ball; he fails to put his head down to gain first down yardage. Please, good bye to TO.

This is my biggest gripe about T.O. I can recall at least 3 or 4 times when he could’ve easily gotten a first down if he just fell forward. But instead, he tries to make a move and falls on his can two yards shy. That has gotta be the most frustrating thing this side of Terrell Pryor running out of bounds shy of a first against Texas (Sorry, I’m a Buckeye fan)…

by AikmanNailedMySis on Feb 11, 2009 7:26 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

U have to be joking

Why would Romo even throw that direction? The chance of that pass being intercepted was much more likely than TO catching it

by Burt88 on Feb 11, 2009 3:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I like your post's idea

I just wonder if it could work. I have a hard time picturing Jerry calling for that meeting.
If it is put in place, let’s just hope for no link to reporters when TO straighten guys out. otherwise front page of all tabloids will be full of TO being a problem

by Helene on Feb 11, 2009 6:24 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

again....A respondant that is more worried about what the media is going to write...perceptionist...you all need to go to Tony Romo school of "I don't give a rat's azz" when it comes to coverage of your team.
otherwise front page of all tabloids will be full of TO being a problem

I know our team is soft, but our fans now ? tell me it’s not true..

That is my entire point in defending TO….If his production wasn’t there, I wouldn’t be so adamant over keeping TO, if he wasn’t gaining 1,000 yards and puttin up double digit TD’ anymore….BUT HE IS and he’s our main playmaker, and the only one that teams’ fear. HE MAKES our other players better, if you want to believe it or not, I don’t care. proof is in the puddin’…..

BUT over 80% of all TO haters are more concerned about what’s being shown on ESPN, and how their team is being perceived, or lambasted, or embarrassed, or scutinized by the mediots with agendas..The media coverage does not effect the teams performance on the field one bit. Oh, but continued questions to players about TO must be annoying, hence it’s destroys the locker room, and it’s distracting to the players ? Are you kiddin’ me ? If it’s not TO, It’s going to to be Roy II next season when he is jammed at the line, and doubled, or Romo when he’s exposed with no bail out WR, or Witten when he’s doubled and production dips, or it’s MBII answering his critic’s and explaining his 3.0 yard per carry average/ post TO. EMBRACE THE HATE, cuz it’s not going anywhere…even without TO.

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 11, 2009 8:41 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Money Comment

Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/

by silverblue5 on Feb 11, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

disagree

He has played on solid teams in the past and has never won anything of consequence. In fact, you could make an argument around how those teams did not get better as a result of T.O.’s presence. And yet, in every instance, he has become an off-field distraction.

Garcia, McNabb and now Romo. Knapp, Morhninweg and Garrett. Mooch, Reid, Tuna and Wade. How many QB’s, OC’s and Head Coaches is this guy going to fry before someone finally says enough is enough?

I don’t buy how T.O. is our only playmaker and only player other teams fear. That’s crap! Time and time again, we see how the best receivers in the game are not winning the big games and how teams who play top-shelf defense and run the ball with authority are the ones who show up big when it counts most.

Once and for all, the focus needs to shift away from the player and back onto the TEAM.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 11, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you think Cowboy fans invented this scenario?

I’ll ask you once again, why is TO being released even a discussion amongst the people in power to do so? If the media invented this wouldn’t the team just laugh it off in the tabloids? There is a problem somewhere whether you care to admit it or not. In fact, its become so much of a problem that its boiling down to “should we release him” discussions now. This despite his production and the cap hit involved? And I’m suppose to pretend it is the media doing this?
I would love for this guy to keep his crap straight for at least another year and work with whatever the coaches hand him. I just would like a lot less public commentary from him and the rest of the players unless its “I could have done better” variety. That goes for the entire team, from Double J all the way down to the ball boys.

by Benthere on Feb 12, 2009 1:13 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1 true....

i believe any discussion now has more to do with damage control…as do they want to constantly have to answer to the media…when the owner’s got your back..it’s a good position….

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 12, 2009 1:48 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

I spent a lot of time during this season thinking that ESPN was flat out making up the controversy in our locker room, but when source after source confirms that we’ve having discussions about releasing TO…you have to think there is really something going on there.

by foyesboys on Feb 16, 2009 11:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

80%?

Just because we “haters” are forward thinking and have the objective perception to see that a WR shouldn’t be commanding the team, coaches, and/or media around their favorite team, doesn’t mean they are brainwashed.
Give me a break. I never ever ever ever watch or listen to or search ESPN’s website and I can still tell how much the Cowboys need to cut ties with the experiment named T.O.
Face it: it’s run its course.
You don’t need complainers on a team, just like you don’t need a star WR to succeed in this league. They are short lived stars at a position that only supplements what an offense should be doing: controlling the football.

George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?

by Aaron Novinger on Feb 12, 2009 9:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

exactly...and TO is a team player...he wants to win as much or more than anyone...

When were Tuna or Wade fried by the play of TO ? Wade was pushing for more TO involvement…

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 11, 2009 3:38 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

His pushing led to more interceptions.

What’s T.O. have—a year, maybe two of being even considered a #1?

Romo’s better off spreading the ball around to guys that want it, not expect it.

George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?

by Aaron Novinger on Feb 12, 2009 9:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

T.O. is a T-I-A-M player.

He loves him some him.

George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?

by Aaron Novinger on Feb 12, 2009 9:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The problem with this
Owens can never speak out publicly against any coach or player…EVER. Privately, Terrell needs to be in players’ faces, pushing them at practice, demanding that all players (except Romo) practice harder and measure up to his work-out standards, and that conduct detrimental to the team not be tolerated.

The problem is that nothing is ever PRIVATE with the Dallas Cowboys. We saw this at the end of the year when Jason Garrett had a private meeting with his receivers. It didn’t turn out so PRIVATE.

If Owens got in the faces of his teammates “privately” then it would be on ESPN for 2 weeks that he is a bad teammate and that he is detrimental to the team. I agree with everything you said the only problem is there’s no such thing as PRIVATE with the Dallas Cowboys.

by calebsmith on Feb 12, 2009 1:46 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

What's scary is that there ARE private things going on that we don't see or hear about.

If what we hear just scratches the surface, then that suggests that the behind-doors stuff is really detrimental to this team.

George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?

by Aaron Novinger on Feb 12, 2009 9:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

thats jerrys fault

the media has more access to this team than any in the league. Cut down the media access and heck, even start fining players if you need to for going straight to the media for conduct detrimental tot he team (not sure if that would hold, but o well)

by foyesboys on Feb 16, 2009 11:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed,

Get the media out of the locker room and about three fourths of the garbage that is stirring things up will go away. If Jerry can’t figure this out, then he’s dumber than I thought. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand that’s where a lot of the problems started.

by texstar on Feb 17, 2009 12:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Explain this teammates comments then :
"T.O.‘s getting blamed for everything that happened here this season,’’ another Cowboys source said. "But he’s not the problem. They want to talk about how Terrell is so disruptive in the locker room, and that’s a lie. The guy didn’t do anything this year to warrant the type of stuff you’re hearing now. There’s a faction that wants to get him out of here, and if they want to let the guy go, they should let him go.

"But if you want to be quick to run him out of here, who are you going to get in here to replace him with? Even with our No. 1 quarterback missing three games, he scored 10 touchdowns and had 1,000 yards receiving. So who’s your No. 1 receiver if he’s gone? You let him go, and say you’re 9-7 again next year. Then who are you going to blame? Who are you going to blame then?’’

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 13, 2009 10:19 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Then why is there a faction at all?

And Roy Williams is here. He’s awesome. If he doesn’t pan out, then that’s when we blame Romo. By then, we’ll have an ’09 draft pick with a year of experience under his belt learning the system. Romo fails in ’11, and insert the new guy.

George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?

by Aaron Novinger on Feb 14, 2009 2:23 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Or this :
If you’re not getting the ball and you’re losing, and you’re a No. 1 receiver in this league, you’re frustrated and want to get more involved,‘’ the source said. "That’s the reality of things these days. When we were 13-3 [in ‘07], and T.O. was our leading receiver, everything was great. Then we go 9-7 and don’t make the playoffs, and Jason Witten is our leading receiver and T.O.‘s the problem? He’s the cancer? C’mon now.”You’ve got a guy who’s a future Hall of Famer. What does he have to be jealous of Witten about? He’s not jealous of Witten. He wants the ball spread around to everyone. He didn’t run to the media and criticize the offense late in the year like Romo did, when he said we got ‘exposed’ at Philadelphia. But that’s being swept under the rug and nobody’s making a big issue about that. T.O. and [two other receivers] went to Garrett and said what they had to say. Look at the whole picture. Don’t try and blame just one guy.’’

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 13, 2009 10:23 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Or this :
“I think T.O. wants to be here, but if they don’t want him, I’m sure he’ll say, ‘Let me go,’ ’’ said one Cowboys source. ”I know he’s going to be playing well somewhere else next year, because he can still play. I wouldn’t get rid of him. Because he’s not the problem.’’

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 13, 2009 10:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Why did they even go to Garrett then. What business do they have of doing that?

They are not coaches. I don’t go to my boss and say you are not using me to the best of my ability. I wouldn’t bring two other guys in to back me up either.

Bet it wasn’t Crayton or Roy Williams’ ideas.

George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?

by Aaron Novinger on Feb 14, 2009 2:26 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1 IT is a known FACT that Garrett assembled the WR's in his office to go over strategy and better ways to make things work.

As Garrett was clearly over his head, and invited dialogue from the players he’s responsible for getting involved in the offense..

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 14, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

My bad.

Well, it didn’t look like JG had any effect on them.

George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?

by Aaron Novinger on Feb 14, 2009 11:39 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

your right...that is the problem....NOT ONE player on this team respects Jason Garrett...

NOT ONE !!!

Are 53 roster players the problem, or is it the one coach ???

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 14, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Witten stuck up for JG recently

I really think he deserves at least one more year before we start hurling stones in the dude’s direction.

Epic Fail since 1985

by the red scare on Feb 16, 2009 2:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

romo did too.

He said he has complete faith in garrett going forward.

by foyesboys on Feb 16, 2009 11:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

-1

I still think he’s well respected by the players, not to mention the rest of the league. Last year was his first full year of calling plays by himself (w/o Sparano).

He’s got a lot to learn and I think he’ll be pushing himself this offseason. He’s got a rep to live up to!

George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?

by Aaron Novinger on Feb 16, 2009 1:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

he was over hyped from the get go.....undeservedly so...

people here Princeton degree and automatically think he’s the next Marv Levy..

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 17, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah,

just because you have a degree from Princeton doesn’t make you a good leader or teacher.

by texstar on Feb 17, 2009 1:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't care about the Princeton thing.

He just seemed to be an up-and-comer. I was excited when Dallas got him because they let Sean Payton go. Twould be nice to have a good young HC to grow with the team and be good enough to provide some stability—not to the extent of Landry’s stay, but something longer than anyone else.

George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?

by Aaron Novinger on Feb 17, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't hang your hat on Garrett being here long term...

If he doesn’t produce a 28+ points per game next season, with this stacked offense…then he’s a complete failure, and will lose whatever over hyped luster he was prematurely given… …He’s got no more free ride passes….Is he a Sparano led ‘07 mirage, or the ’08 edition of how to hinder an awesome offensive unit……we’ll see

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 17, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He's also gotta prove that he can adjust the offense

based on the opponent’s defensive strengths and weaknesses. Every game shouldn’t have to be an all-out aerial assault. He needs to feel when Romo and the receivers are hot, instead of trying to force feed the vertical passing game. And when the running game’s hot, he needs to know when to just hang his hat on that.

George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?

by Aaron Novinger on Feb 17, 2009 8:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah....we could only dream that he can get a sense or feel for the game...

cuz he hasn’t shown it but one time when he rode MBIII coat tails on that clinching drive to beat Washington…probably one of his best called games to date..and we only score like what ? 14 points..but there was a sense of control, and we willed our way to victory…

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 17, 2009 8:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

you can't attribute ALL our success in 07 to sparano

considering garrett held the title of OC.

In 07, we had a healthy marion barber, a healthy witten, a healthy romo and a healthy oline. We could put points on the board quickly and once we got the lead,hammer it late. We did that throughout the year. It generally wasn’t pretty untill we got the lead, but once we got there, we were golden.

This year, we just weren’t able to put points on the board as quickly, and unfortunately barber’s injury prevented us from closing out games the way we did the year before

by foyesboys on Feb 18, 2009 10:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

that's sorta like saying Wade had the title of HC, but we all know he doesn't run the team.

Sparano played a major part in our offensive success in ‘07…is all i’m saying.

If Garrett fails in ‘09…..it would be implied even more so….no excuses at all…if you can’t put up 28+ a game with this line up..your not doing a good job.

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 19, 2009 5:14 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, the difference between 07 and 08

is in 07, defenses had to adjust to the Cowboys’ offense.

In ’08, the Cowboys had to adjust to (albeit a much tougher schedule of) defenses.

George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?

by Aaron Novinger on Feb 19, 2009 6:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

in 2007

we had the best 3rd quarter offense in the league. There were many many games in 07 where we started out slow and made adjustments at halftime and stomped the competition.

I agree with you in general though. The Giants and Eagles were both better defensively than 2 years ago, and the ravens and steelers are 2 of the best Ds in the league.

by foyesboys on Feb 21, 2009 3:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

and the Philly defense weren’t exactly slouches in 07? Remember, they almost beat the Pats with Feely as QB

by texstar on Feb 21, 2009 3:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And we were awesome right before halftime.

If opponents can take that from Romo’s game this year, we will lose more than 7.

George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?

by Aaron Novinger on Feb 22, 2009 9:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

if garett fails in 09

and shows the same maddening lack of ability to adjust, I will be all for releasing him.

by foyesboys on Feb 21, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

the other faction...the minority with the big mouths...find them and fire them, Jerry...
“I just don’t think a player can call out coaches and other players, and with [Owens] that’s happened in San Francisco, and Philadelphia and it’s happened here,’’ said another Cowboys source. ”He’s a great player. But there’s more to it than that.’’

wahhh, he called someone out, yet i hide behind the fingers of Don Bank’s blog posts..

Oh really ? What is there more than that of ?? TO didn’t invite you to his party ? Doesn’t talk to you in the clubhouse ?? PLEASE !! Not one nay saying “source” has anything to rely on besides their obvious bias opinion, and nothing factual as far as examples or incidents..Not one …

Bold denotes only creditable sentence in that entire quote.This guy (Barbie Carpenter) Clearly has a preconceived opinion of TO, and mere personal beliefs have nothing to do with team unity. The fact that he admits he’s a great player, yet hated his personality before even opening up to accepting TO’s character. This is the same sense I get from the nay saying fans as well…TO, in reality, has nothing to do with team turmoil, if we were winning, he’d be more then tolerated for hogging all the publicity, and I take it these guys are strickly just haters, and uninviting of TO because he commands all the attention, and the only way these “role” players even get to sniff the headline news, is as the “unknown source”, simply cowards, and sell outs…..

"Jerry’s capable of putting up with him another year, but it’s a case of what’s said next?‘’ a Cowboys source said. "What’s coming next? When you win, and he gets his numbers, things are fine [with Owens]. But if not …. with him, it’s just dealing with headaches every day. I’d say it’s all up to Jerry Jones, whether he’s back or not. But it’s tedious, having him there. It’s tedious. And it takes a toll. He’s right about some things, in that you want to get him the ball. But you can’t be worried about it all the time. You can’t throw it to him just to throw it to him. It took a toll on Tony [Romo], but he’ll never admit it.‘

Again, same source or not ? He agrees that TO is great, and that he should get the ball as often as possible. Yet he bring’s up this What if ?? What if ?? ….Well IF we win, like we should have. TO’s fine and dandy, but if we lose TO is aggrevated, and upset, and goes off ?? IF nobody in that locker room is aggrevated, pissed off, and outraged by the teams play when they’re losing, THEN I don’t want THEM on the team….TO is a passionate competitor, unlike most of the players in there…Then we get the tedious , tedious comments…IN other words he’s aying that he’s tired with all the press that TO gets, tired of having to answer TO questions, again, I sense jealousy, resentment, and a mere bias opinion that shows no ill effect in the locker room, and no way warrants team discontent, or fractured locker room….HOG WASH….just like every single report coming out of “source camp”…as far as we know, this is the same “one” source that all these pencil jockey’s use as a “source”…..Find the “source” and you’ve found the real problem on this team….

But you can’t be worried about it all the time. You can’t throw it to him just to throw it to him. It took a toll on Tony [Romo], but he’ll never admit it.‘’

He had a mental breakdown ?? c’ mon

That’s TO’s problem ? The only thing it took out of Romo was his QB rating points for throwing to a covered TO.

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 13, 2009 10:56 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

It is tedious

and the sad thing is that it is only half T.O.’s fault. The rest is media.

If he’s around next year though, I’d be afraid that it’s gonna be the same, if not worse.

George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?

by Aaron Novinger on Feb 14, 2009 2:28 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

a covered T.O

I’m glad you can admit that. The reason its T.O.‘s problem is because he throws a fit if he doesn’t get so many balls thrown his way each game, covered or not, and therein lies the problem.

If he would just keep his mouth shut, then everything would be just fine.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 14, 2009 9:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

bingo Terry....I agree...IF he didn't speak to the media, there would be no way to blame TO for anything...

and by me “admitting” that TO was covered doesn’t justify Romo throwing to him. Believe what you want, but TO does not have a gun to Romo’s head, and is not forcing him to throw balls at him. Very few, if any WR’s that are double teamed, and jammed at the line on every play have the ability to get “open” every play….there may be small windows, or rare defensive breakdowns, but if not given ample time to seperate (btw, within 3-5 seconds) there’s never going to be a wide open double teamed, jammed Receiver…I don’t care who you are…So when Terry claims Romo was not given enough to do anything when our O line went south, I agree with him…I also claim that the WR’s didn’t have enough time to get open either, and that’s why we had a meltdown..It all boils down to protection…..That responsibility is on the OC for not implimenting MAX protection/ Two TE sets, etc.Or copuntering with screens, dump offs, check downs, etc etc etc……so there should always be someone “open” or " target worthy" besides TO when it comes to throwing it up there for grabs…

That’s the most “over hyped jibberish” comment i keep hearing…..There is absolutely no merit to that claim what so ever..throw the ball away…dump it off, but don’t throw it to a guy with two DB’s draped all over him in most cases…

By once again….IF TO/Jerry/Wade ban the media from interviewing TO, and puts a gag order on the players from discussing inner personel matters…THERE WOULD BE NO STORY…..THERE WOULD BE NO PERCEIVED PROBLEMS HERE….

If Jerry allows this media frenzy to continue, then we have nobody else to blame but HIM.

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 14, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1 Numba1

ask Aikman and he will tell you that Irvin was always yapping that he was open all the time. As the QB, you have to be mature/smart enough to determine if he’s truly open. That’s a cop-out. Should TO be yapping all the time? Of course not! Do all receivers, including Witten, say they are open? Yes! It’s up to the QB to determine what’s open etc. Anybody hear Moose’s comments yesterday on GAC?

by texstar on Feb 14, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You can check it out on DC Fanatic

but he was really “disturbed” to hear Romo’s comments after the Philly game. He even said that “what happened to the guy that bobbled the snap after the Seattle game”? He was also disturbed to hear some comments coming out of the Laufenberg’s interview as far as leadership goes. He said that Aikman got blasted when he was QB of The Boys but you never ever heard him say any of the things that have come out of Romo’s mouth. As a QB you have to be the Leader and take on that reponsibility. Good stuff.

by texstar on Feb 14, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

GAC is Galloway and Company.

I don’t listen to it, but I listen to some of the comments from DC Fanatic.

by texstar on Feb 14, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

But isn't there some clause for players to have to talk to the media?

I mean, he didn’t have to have that interview with Deion that further blew this all up, but that was Deion’s doing.

George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?

by Aaron Novinger on Feb 14, 2009 11:45 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

True, TO shouldn't have

done the interview with Deon. I didn’t like what he said etc. but the root of the problem goes back to Jerry. He (or whoever is truly in charge-LOL) has to put his foot down and say “NO MORE”. If you want to take it a step further, Romo didn’t exactly help his cause with the Laufenberg interview. He came across very badly according to many people like Laufenberg and Moose Johnson. My point is: You can’t just get rid of every player on the team because of their yapping with the media. You get control of the locker-room and put a media ban with them. IMO Romo needs a publicist very badly. He comes across very rehearsed and waaay too non-chalent.

by texstar on Feb 14, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+2

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Feb 14, 2009 5:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No....Players can not be forced to answer questioned deemed detrimental to team policy, unity, or morale...

He did the Deion interview to squash the initial LIES spread by Ed Werder….I didn’t see the Prime Time piece, so I have no idea what he said….anybody have a link to the interview with Deion ?…

your right…Deion set TO up to stir up further descention…It’s different from being in a locker room and saying no comment…which you all know TO reverted to doing, and kept doing..and you never heard another word out of him…..huh ??

All team members need to talk about is what’s out there on the field, post game talk, or pre game prep…that’s it…To ask a players opinion on a certain non game issue is not our business……the rest is none of our business..period……Unless they(Jerry/Wade) do that, someone, anyone, is going to slip, and it’s going to be used against them with the help of editing, and manipulation…

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 14, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

but why is it that some people think it’s okay for some players to make comments that are detrimental and others can’t? That’s the part that really ticks me off-the double standards of some people if you know what I mean. Oh well, I’ll get off my rant.

by texstar on Feb 14, 2009 3:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

double-standards?

Hey, I’m confused in the situation. 45% of me wants T.O. to stay. If I believe that moving on without him is beneficial to the team, then that’s what I believe. I can try to explain it statistically, through my guess of the situation behind doors 8 states away, or I can purely speculate by things that happened in the past. Perhaps I think the mere presence of him being on the team is detrimental. Sure, it was exciting years ago in March when he signed with the team, but he came with hesitation for me.

For as long as I’ve been a Cowboys’ fan, I do not remember too many times where players argued with players or coaches. In these past few years, I’ve seen more than in the past two decades (Gramatica and Larry Allen doesn’t count).

George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?

by Aaron Novinger on Feb 15, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i'm sorry, but there are more than likely arguements every week , on every team, in every sport there is in the world...

you just don’t see it……..I played for years on the same teams, same players, and I disliked quite a few of my teammates, and I’m sure many disliked me……teammates argue, players sometimes argue or disagree with their coaches as well as hate them………it’s part of the rigors and passions of playing the game..

I would take 53 championship driven competitors, with much passion and fire on my team anyday…..sure their may be some flare ups along the way….but my team would beat most others with an overpowering will to win…….

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 15, 2009 10:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Fine

then 55% of me wants him to stay.

George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?

by Aaron Novinger on Feb 16, 2009 12:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well

watching the NFL Replay of the 1st Redskins game helped your cause. Crayton and Romo looked good in that game too, though.

George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?

by Aaron Novinger on Feb 17, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

100% of Jerry Jones wants him to stay...02/17/2009

and that’s the only opinion i give two craps about..

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 17, 2009 4:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Jerry's well-thought out roundabouts confuse me.

Keep the team the same—whatever. There’s still some gamble involved.

George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?

by Aaron Novinger on Feb 17, 2009 8:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Me too.

Gotta play some Wii.

George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?

by Aaron Novinger on Feb 14, 2009 2:28 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't believe you, ha ha

Someone else is going to jerk your chain and you won’t be able to help it

by cow_fanatic on Feb 14, 2009 9:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

The one thing that people keep forgetting is" TO wanted out of both SF and Philly". He wants to stay in Dallas and finish his career. Big difference.

by texstar on Feb 14, 2009 12:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Feb 14, 2009 5:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

good idea

too bad jerry would never go for it.

by foyesboys on Feb 16, 2009 11:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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