Cowboys say goodbye to Pacman, but what about T.O.?
by Dave Halprin on Feb 10, 2009 3:14 PM CST
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The Pacman era officially ended yesterday. Pacman went out in his own inimitable style by stating:
"I still think I'm one of the best players on that team," Jones said. "It is what it is."
I, for one, am happy to see this happen. I'm not a hater on Pac, but it was time to go.
And of course, the T.O. situation continues to be discussed in many places. The Cowboys own website, the NFL Network, and FOX Sports. But Mike Lombardi offers up a strong opinion that this thing has been decided.
When, not if, is the real question everyone is asking about T.O. He will not be back, but the team is still deciding when to make the announcement of his termination or trade.
Maybe Jones can work a trade out to send Owens to the Raiders since they have a huge need at wideout and have never been afraid to take on a big challenge. This will be interesting to follow as it develops.
Hmm, no wiggle room in that declaration. He better know something or he could end up looking foolish if T.O. is on the team in 2009.
With the Cowboys needing to make decisions on free agents Zach Thomas and Kevin Burnett, ILB is a hot position for FA/draft speculation concerning Dallas. We've been talking about Ray Lewis but as many have pointed out it might be the other Ravens LB we want to go after. Turns out the New York Jets, with ex-Ravens DC Rex Ryan as coach, might be thinking the same thing.
The Ravens linebacker that the Jets really need to zero in on is 28-year-old inside linebacker Bart Scott, who along with Lewis and Terrell Suggs is also an unrestricted free agent. With Jets starting veteran inside linebacker Eric Barton an unrestricted free agent, the Jets have an opening at the inside linebacker spot alongside David Harris and Scott would be a perfect fit if the Jets can afford him.
The Jets would also have the advantage with Rex Ryan in the fold. It's still uncertain whether Jerry Jones will look to land a high-profile free agent, but if he does try, Scott might be a good target.
Also, another hot-button position for the Cowboys is safety. The Jets too, and they might be looking at the Ravens again.
Also, look for the Jets to make a strong bid for Ravens safety Jim Leonard. The Jets have been searching for someone to play opposite Kerry Rhodes for the past several seasons and Leonard is likely their man.
Would Dallas have any interest there?
Meanwhile, franchising Lewis would be expensive.
Adam Schefter, of NFL.com, reports if the Baltimore Ravens were to place the franchise tag on impending free-agent LB Ray Lewis it will cost them $11,313,600 million, not the $8,304,000 million that previously has been widely reported. The increased figure is because the franchise number must either be the average of the top five players at the position or 120 percent of a player's prior year salary - whichever is greater. In Lewis' case, the 120 percent raise from last year's salary is greater.
The DMN looks at the backup QB's free agent market. BTB-reader Kansas has a FanPost up discussing Jeff Garcia. What other names on the DMN blog list do you like?
By the way, here's the link to the FA list compiled by SBN.
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Why should we care what Lombardi has to say when it comes to the Cowboys?
It seems like he is just going off of what Peter King is saying. The Raiders fired this clown.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Feb 10, 2009 3:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Because Lombardi talks to people in the NFL front offices
King was offering conjecture, but Lombardi didn’t equivocate.
At this point, Schefter, Glazer and Lombardi are all on record saying he’s gone. To quote Parcells,
a lot of people are getting sucked if this doesn’t come to pass.
by Rafael Vela on Feb 10, 2009 3:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I’m to the point that I’ll be highly surprised and disappointed if he’s a Cowboy in 2009.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 10, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If TO is not on the 2009 roster I'd bet my life savings this team doesn't sniff the playoffs..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 10, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
really?
Same oline, Romo, multiple good rbs, witten, austin, roy williams, crayton…..i don’t deny there will be a drop off in talent if TO leaves, but i think the positives in terms of chemistry and romo not leaning on him in the passing game outweigh his loss.
Include in that analysis the fact that we were an elite defensive team for the 5 weeks or so before the breakdown against the ravens. Whether we continue to play that well remains to be seen.
by foyesboys on Feb 10, 2009 5:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Crayton, Austin, and RW2 frighten defenses ??
I see a marginal #2(RW) who lost his speed, a pedestrian #3(PC) who lost his hands, and a nobody(MA) with 18 career catches, and even more stints in the trainers room…
Romo leaned on Witten when all else failed (which was often in a miserable scheme), now you have Witten being double covered by a LB and/or FS/CB3, and the rest of the D stacking the line, pressing RW & PC/MA at the line, and blitzing the snot outta Romo….good luck to that……8-8 if we’re lucky.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 10, 2009 7:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Austin is unproven, and Patty C isnt anything that special. We need TO
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 11, 2009 12:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
man, what are you guys going to do when he is gone? .....OMG...
And when he does leave don’t expect Jerry to make a monster trade for a elite WR because it’s not going to happen. We are going to roll with what we have. That was the whole point for trading for RW. Expect Wade to tweak the 3rd and 4th WR positions with a speedy slot WR. RW and Austin are going to be the 1 and 2 and Crayton is going to fight it out with a rookie or a FA as the future #3.
by Boyzfan94 on Feb 11, 2009 11:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, just like the Eagles have been really struggling since they let him go?
And with him here, two 9-7 seasons out of three years, and not a single playoff win. Wow, he’s a real game-changer.
But we mustn’t forget that all-important, stat-inflating game against the 49ers!
As if he’s ever going to see that coverage again.
by Realist Larry on Feb 10, 2009 9:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well thats not really an apt comparison, as we are not in the same situation as the Eagles were
And what more do you want your #1 WR to do, other than constantly draw double coverage and putting up huge numbers when the D focuses on someone else.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 11, 2009 12:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What does that matter
We didn’t make the playoffs last year with him
by cow_fanatic on Feb 10, 2009 7:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed...
Plus you’ll never find out, unless you try.
by AirforceBat on Feb 10, 2009 7:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
-1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 11, 2009 1:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well we didnt make the playoffs with Romo, so we should get rid of him right?
And Ware, we havent won a playoff game since he has been on the team. Using us not makng the playoffs as an argument to cut TO doesnt make sense. Say he is a distraction, say he is too old and declining, I wont agree, but at least its a relevant point. Saying we didnt make the playoffs last year isnt.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 11, 2009 1:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If TO is not on the 2009 roster I'd bet my life savings this team doesn't sniff the playoffs..
Let’s talk in circles, shall we? I was responding to the thread above that we wouldn’t sniff the playoffs if TO wasn’t here. My point is if we are not making the playoffs with him here, what difference does it make if he’s here other than quieting the fractured locker room with pro and anti TO factions.
This is what T.O. lovers do, argue ridiculous points and then when responded to, argue the point of the TO haters against other players. Brilliant
by cow_fanatic on Feb 11, 2009 10:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ok....like any of that made sense...
take Buress off the Giants, take Moss off the Pats, take Fitz off the Cards, take Smith off the Panthers, Wayne off the Colts, and you’l have those teams playing golf in December with us…
quieting the fractured locker room with pro and anti TO factions.
AGAIN< where’d you get this info, oh brilliant one ? please name one anti TO roster member…anyone ?
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 11, 2009 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you hear any
anti-TO guys in the Eagles locker room while he was still a member of their team? I do recall a physical altercation with a retired LB(Hugh Douglas I think).
We’ll hear the truth about the man that blinded your objectivity when he leaves from those guys, not while he’s still here
by cow_fanatic on Feb 11, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
again, using regurgetated news to support your hatred..
i live for the present….you mentioned this locker room being fractured….revail your sources ???
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 11, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pony up... because he won't be on this team and we will be better than last year...
Addition by subtraction my friend. Less BS and distractions will go a long way for this team in 2009. Teams get into the playoffs, win Superbowls every year with half the talent this team has.
TO is gone!!!! We don’t need him to be successful.
by Boyzfan94 on Feb 10, 2009 7:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we'll see....I'm betting against it...
and i usually win bets..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 10, 2009 9:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont understand how if we cant win with this much talent,
why you think we can win with evven less. On the distraction front, TO isnt the only issue.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 11, 2009 1:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
forget it Aussie.....It's like spitting into a fan..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 11, 2009 9:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sometimes it is
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 12, 2009 12:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There were 8 teams
in the playoffs this year with less talent. If this was a game of acquiring talent we would defer our regular season and wait for the playoffs to start.
Name the teams in the playoffs this year that had more talent than we did.
T.O. is not the only issue, I agree with that. But if you are cutting out cancer you don’t start with the peripheral cells, typically they die when you cut the growth out
by cow_fanatic on Feb 11, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
like I keep saying........
Teams get to the promise land with ALOT less talent than this team. One player doesn’t make a team!!!
by Boyzfan94 on Feb 11, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If he is
on the roster after all the turmoil, Cowboys won’t sniff .500.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Feb 11, 2009 9:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well that would be classic Jerry Jones.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Feb 10, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry just needs to come out and put this issue to bed.
One way or another so we can all move on.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Feb 10, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We might be waiting tell his june bonus for that
by AustonianAggie on Feb 10, 2009 4:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
or at least the draft....
they made his roster bonus June 3rd for a reason….i’m sure that if they are 100% convinced that they are letting him go that they would at least try to get something for him at the draft before just outright releasing him
by McLovin9 on Feb 10, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Waiting another 4 months for this to resolved will be painful.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Feb 10, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A Cowboy's story that Ed Werder doesn't break?
Incredible. Now if that horses ass said TO was gone, well, I still wouldn’t believe it. Glazer broke a lot of credible stories this year. Wow, TO may actually be gone.
by Boundforbeach on Feb 10, 2009 5:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If we sign a FA qb not named Brooks Bollinger
I’m hoping it’s Charlie Batch. Before he was injured this season, he was the best back up qb in the league for many years and he’s only 34.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 10, 2009 3:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hey Pacrat
You are one of the best players on the team, but you’re also a freakin’ moron, loser!
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 10, 2009 3:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
No...
he wasn’t.
He wasn’t close to one of the best players on the team.
I can count the number of plays he made on my right hand.
by AirforceBat on Feb 10, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Terry meant
one of the best athletes on the team that was on the team.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 11, 2009 1:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
T.O. trade value....
Could the team get anything in a trade for T.O. at this point? If so, what would be the reasonable asking price? I was okay with letting him go, but if the Cowboys can get something in return, by all means do it.
by goat3000 on Feb 10, 2009 4:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
4th
Considering age and attitude?
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on Feb 10, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i'd
be fine with that.
Discovered by the Germans in 1904, they named it San Diego, which of course in German means a whale's vagina. .
by shadow1480 on Feb 10, 2009 4:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i doubt it
only if it was to a contender like philly (lol) who needed that one missing peice. And i doubt too many of those teams would take TO.
I’m thinking hes untradable. Maybe we get a 6th or something.
by foyesboys on Feb 10, 2009 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Untradable" is the right word
Before we can even debate trade value, first tell me who in the world would give this guy another shot. He’s not young anymore. He’s ripped apart how many teams? He’s a world class distraction. Not even Al Davis would bite. Maybe The Danny, but he doesn’t need a receiver. He might be like Barry Bonds. No one will sign him. And even if someone will, they won’t give anything for him, especially now that word is out he’s about to be released. Heck yeah I’d take a 6th.
by Boundforbeach on Feb 10, 2009 5:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts pretty much.
Who are you going to trade him to?
by Benthere on Feb 10, 2009 6:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Why would any team trade for a guy who will likely get cut. Plus TO would still have a say in where he would agree to be traded to. He’d have to reach a deal with the new team.
Feb. 18-24 -- NFL Scouting Combine
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Feb 10, 2009 6:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
4TH is not
too much to pay if you think he is the missing piece and you don’t want to get in to a bidding war.
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on Feb 10, 2009 6:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Believe me, I would love to see Jerry finagle any pick in a trade
I just doubt any GM would agree to it.
Feb. 18-24 -- NFL Scouting Combine
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Feb 10, 2009 6:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Raiders would be the only team stupid enough to trade for TO
by Boyzfan94 on Feb 10, 2009 7:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think so...
only because they drafted two WRs last season
by Boyzfan94 on Feb 10, 2009 8:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We were
just talking about who would be dumb enough to trade for him excluding rosters but you’re right otherwise
by cow_fanatic on Feb 10, 2009 8:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
J-E-T-S are trade prone
and Rex Ryan is probably a meglomaniac like his dad
by AustonianAggie on Feb 11, 2009 9:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
good question..
but it is impossible to know what every other GM/ Owner is thinking… Same reason players go much higher in drafts then people(media, fans,etc..) anticipate.
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on Feb 10, 2009 6:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just can't imagine any team trading for him.
The fan backlash would be pretty harsh. Even in Oakland.
by Benthere on Feb 10, 2009 6:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah...I'm sure they'd be real upset getting one of the best NFL players in the league..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 10, 2009 7:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
two years ago ??
He was 4th in TD receptions this year.
He was 2nd in 40+ yards receptions this year.
He was 2nd in YPR with receivers over 69 receptions this year.
Should I continue ?
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 10, 2009 9:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
C'mon...he is not even a top 5 anymore
all those stats mean butkus…..we are still a team without a playoff win two years later with him. What the heck are you going to do when he is gone?? jump off the ledge? Get in the mind set that TO is a shortimer on this team.
by Boyzfan94 on Feb 10, 2009 9:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you and others need to get your minds set on the fact he resigned 6 months ago....
I fully expect TO to play out his contract….and we’d be damn fools to release him…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 10, 2009 9:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Paying more money to have T.O. and his talent walk just doesn’t make any sense to me. I think about Boldin blowing up at Haley and all of Boldin’s issues this year, and reflect on how the Cards still made the Super Bowl and just can’t see how T.O. must go, especially given the salary cap situation. T.O. should be retained.
by PaulFVillarreal on Feb 10, 2009 10:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+2
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 11, 2009 1:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
-1
money is not a problem, chemistry is. The offense is out of sync. Primarily blocking needs to improve as well as play calling. Chemistry and less distractions are every bit the problem that the other 2 are. Have to fix all problems. TO is/was and unbelievable talent but time marches on. I dont give a crap and neither does father time that he is a workout warrior. He has digressed 3 of the 4 years he has been here. Its time to cut bait and fish elsewhere.
by squidlo97 on Feb 12, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
-1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 13, 2009 12:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You are
not alone with your analysis. Everyone here thinks it’s easy to replace a HOF wide receiver. OK, cut him. Get your team comraderie. T.O. is still the receiver that the defenses look at as the game breaker. We will all find out if RW2 can handle T.O.‘s role. I didn’t see Philly getting to the SB cutting the guy or S.F. Let the mediots control our roster. They will be the same people saying "Why did you cur T.O. when we are 7-9 next year.
by jevans1729 on Feb 11, 2009 12:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1 ahhh...the sweet sounds of logic....
Let the mediots control our roster.
-
that’s exactly what the mediots are trying to do …The story that follows a TO release is FAR better reading than keeping TO…too bad 35 % of this sites viewers are falling for it , hook, line, and sinker…..
If the players would just ignore the topic, these media posts would have nothing to write about…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 11, 2009 9:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+100000000000000000
A Cowboy fan from Dallas residing in enemy terretory since 1990..
by Jtiner09 on Feb 11, 2009 9:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you the Terry....
Of Terrell Owens?
The dudes an animal but he’s kind of an old animal that doesn’t run crisp routes and will eventually lose speed.
by AirforceBat on Feb 10, 2009 8:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Will eventually lose speed ??????
UNTIL he does lose speed, He’s one of the biggest, fastest, and best WR’s in the game………He signed his contract 6 months ago…
ahhhh….forget it…
I guess nobody seen him catch up to , and surpass Felix Jones on his way down the field escorting him to the end zone…….coming from 15 yards behind him….
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 10, 2009 9:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
That GB game showed he is still as fast as anyone in the league
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 11, 2009 1:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No knock on Owens' talent,
The knock is the league-wide perception that he is a detrimental force. As much talent as the guy has, he has an equal amount of talent at driving teams to distraction. I have no problem with his play for the most part but his antics are starting to outweigh his skills. They’re heading in opposite directions and that’s not a good thing. My main comment, however, is that any team that wants to make a deal for this guy is going to have a fanbase backlash. He’s built up that much animosity among NFL fans.
by Benthere on Feb 10, 2009 9:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What antics ?? Please explain for the audience..I want to know what TO has done to warrant being released ? I'd like documentation as well.
Let me ask you something ? IF Jerry Jones imposed a gag order on the players ? therefore eliminating any talk about what happens inside Valley Ranch,
Do you think this team would be “perceived” differently ?
Do you think TO would be heard from otherwise ?
Do you think there would be other perceptions ?
Jerry Jones is the reason this team is in disarray, and He’s the one that needs to take responsibility, and do something about it.. NOT by releasing his best player, but by putting limitation on media access from sell out attention mongers like Werder, JJT, Hill, Engle, and any other associates of ESPN.
Where were you nay saying clowns when we were 3-0 last year ????
(chirp) (chirp) (chirp) <——crickets……yeah…thought so.. !!!!!
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 10, 2009 9:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude....
Seriously you’re taking it way to personal.
It’s just an opinion and it isn’t a dumb one either.
by AirforceBat on Feb 10, 2009 9:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Welp, lets look at it this way then..
I’ll accept your vision that TO is the Muhammad Ali of wide receivers. Now explain to me why this man has been cut from 2 other teams and “appears” to be heading the same direction once again? If this guy has sooo much talent there are no others like him, why is it even being considered to trade/release him? I can guarantee you that Double J has probably cried himself to sleep several times this last month when this ugliness raised its head. He just extended his contract. He’s putting his team in cap hell if he releases him. So why is this even being considered?
For the record, I’m pretty much indifferent to this whole deal. If he stays, I’m fine with it. If he goes, I wish him well. I don’t hate the guy.
by Benthere on Feb 10, 2009 10:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Would'nt be cap hell...
He is going to count 9+ million against the cap whether he is here or not. The difference is 680K more if he is cut. We have 11+ million under the cap now and should receive more once other moves are made. RW1, Brad Johnson will save some more money.
by Boyzfan94 on Feb 10, 2009 10:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You have to take into account the salary of the player taking his roster spot aswell
No way JJ wastes 10 mill of cap when he still needs to get Ware signed
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 11, 2009 1:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We not replacing TO thats the point...
were not going out and signing a elite WR for 9 or 10 mil a year. We should be able to be successful without TO. Tweaking the roster with a speedy WR in the draft or FA would be ideal and wouldn’t cost alot of money.
by Boyzfan94 on Feb 11, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the point is your not replacing him...
not with talent worthy of scaring Defenses…you just said sign a FA or draft another….it’s added onto the 9.66 guy…make up your mind…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 11, 2009 3:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He wasn't cut from Philly...He lobbied his way out....and won..
He deserved a raise and wasn’t given one, so he threw a stink, and it worked..I was behind him 100% in Philly…He was going to work with no security, or guarantee beyond the yearly contract…San Fran he was wrapped into a deal on a team going nowhere, and wanted out….they accomidated him by trading him…..
He just extended his contract. He’s putting his team in cap hell if he releases him. So why is this even being considered?
exactly….the media is considering it, not Jerry….media pressure has forced Jerry’s hand, and he may be gathering input, but I assure you the owner of this team(and the only one that matters) Does NOT wish to release TO.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 11, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
From what I heard
TO wanted out of both SF and Philly and he doesn’t want out of Dallas. Big difference
by texstar on Feb 11, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
major difference...
actually looking forward to next season…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 11, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 12, 2009 12:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and by lobby
you mean get in to a fistfight
by cow_fanatic on Feb 11, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The media only forced Jerrys hand on not drafting Moss. He does what he wants.
If that was the cae Jimmy wouldnt have been fired, Switzer hired. Pacman signed.
by squidlo97 on Feb 12, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Based on everything that has been said about this issue over the
past few weeks JJ is the only real reason TO is not gone so you may want to be careful in laying the blame on the man who is probably the sole supporter of keeping TO.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Feb 11, 2009 7:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Calling out Jason Garrett to the National Media for a half time show
is seriously insubordinate.
by AustonianAggie on Feb 11, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no it isn't....it's not good policy, but it's not a repremendable offense..
I could go on TV and say my boss isn’t using me right, and/ or my skills properly…you think i’d get fired ? nope…
that would probably spur dialogue between me and my boss, and hopefully a solution to get me working more efficiently…….thankfully my boss is very experienced, with an open door policy to gather ideas and inivative ways to make the company more successful,
and not some bullish know it all, that is so closed minded he can’t see the mess he produces, therefor no change in production.
so Garrett’s runs to the phone and reports to Rat Faced Werder, he’s about to have a WR only meeting, but tells Werder that TO barged into his room instead to make it sound juicier for these niave, gullable, dim wits out in la la land that string their lives to every ounce of tid bits coming outta Valley Ranch……………….was that productive ???
How did the “mole” work that one in ??
TO is not the problem….
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 11, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You think Deion, or national media pressure
is a better coercion tactic? My Boss doesn’t use me right so I’m going to make him look bad.
And you got some strange speculation, like Garrett is the media leak.
How about the reports he doesn’t acknowledge people in the huddle? I’d like a team of professionals, not another year of kinderkare.
by AustonianAggie on Feb 11, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
THEN WHY DO SO MANY HERE WANT TO KEEP HIM??
by Realist Larry on Feb 10, 2009 9:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
your right Larry....
Well over 65% of knowledgable football fans on this site voted they would rather keep TO , than cut him…..and I’m one of them…Early on in the poll, The mark was well over 75%, unfortunately, about a dozen or so nay sayers happen to be on this site daily, so we get the same regurgitation of negative and unwarranted TO bashing, which only incites more followers to jump into the action….
Cuz I can’t stand all the BS attention, and negative media coverage ???
THAT is your excuses here ??? And I thought our secondary was “soft”
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 10, 2009 9:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And...
I’m cut down the middle on him, I’m just saying that you seem blinded by him.
Maybe there isn’t the perceived locker room split, and maybe if it is happening it isn’t because of him, but the track record is there.
And while you don’t want to recognize it, everytime TO looks like he’s going to turn a corner, he seems to dig himself back into a hole.
I loved the fact that he played so hard in Green Bay, but then I scratch my head when he looks bored after winning against washington because his number were down.
by AirforceBat on Feb 10, 2009 9:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No..I'm not blinded by him...I hated him as much or more than all of you BEFORE he came here.
’06, ’07 seasons were phenominal, and the best production ever from a Dallas Cowboys WR not named Bob Hayes. Not a peep out of him, stood up for his QB, blocked down field, gave 110%……..He was a model citizen and player on this team…
THEN, Prior to this past season he is rewarded with a well earned, and significant contract extension, AS WELL as giving Jerry the flexabilities to extend others like MBII< etc…( team player the whole way through), and not ONE member of this blog site complained or bitched or whined that we should of let TO play out the season and let him walk after that. The team had high hopes, big expectation, everyones favorite…..WELL..
TO shines in game 1…Garrett calls a good game, Romo distributes the ball well, Witten 6, Crayton 6, and TO 5 catches, and only TD reception of the day….OK…EVERYONE is pumped up, the team looked great, The O Line was dominant….TO was loved by all…
Week 2, Big showdown against Philly….What’s TO do ?…3 catches 30 yards per catch..again leading the team with .2 TD receptions…Everone is lovin TO racing 72 yards for a TD….ALL is well in TO’s camp…
Week 3 comes along, and Romo is off his game, accuracy isn’t there, completes only 17 7 to his roommate Witten…hmmm…TO 2 catches, not a factor….great running game that day….thank god..passing game was outta whack.
Here comes week 4, TO only had 5 receptions the past 2 games combined…so mix it up Garrett…right ??? maybe balance, play action ? team just rattled off 200+ rushing yards….Romo 48 passing plays…sure TO got his 7 catches, as did Witten and Crayton….so nice distribution…but where’s the balance ? where the ball control ??…Cowboys lose….Felix Jones goes unused.
Game 5 bounce back with Cincy…again…Witten 8 catches..TO 2…..ok..I’d be a bit upset myself…..next….4-1 and still NONE of you Haters are calling for TO’s head….right ???
Game 6 ?? terribly called game…MBIII 28 touches….Witten and TO 4 each ?? not the way to beat high powered offenses like Arizona..4-2…Is this where TO complains about not getting the ball enough ?
Game 7 maybe ?? 2 catches, non factor in offense…..
Game 8, 5 catches 30 yards, non factor in offense..
OK…By this time, I’m asking my coach why we’re running the same ole raggedly plays that aren’t working with some old man tossing quails down the field 8 yards..
.OK….so Ed Werder asks TO if he feels he’s being used enough, or should he be made more of a focal point of the offense ??
Yes Ed, I don’t think i’m being used the right way. I think I should be more of the focus in the passing game. We really need to run some plays that I’m successful in.
Not even at that point did any of you people say TO should go……He spoke his mind, and we’re pissed and need somebody to lash out at……“Just shut up and play” i’m sure all said…..He was dead on target with his complaints, and i’m glad he made it known as to why our offense was struggling….Jerry Jones, and Wade Philips also backed up the fact that TO should be more involved…….YET…The media had their “nirvana”….finally, TO, finally spoke out about someone else…..RUN with it…..Run SPOT, RUN Jane…RUN DICKS…..ahhh…I’ll end there…I wish we had 53 TO’s…..all working in harmony…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 10, 2009 11:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I wish we had 53 TO’s
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 11, 2009 1:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They would all love each other
Feb. 18-24 -- NFL Scouting Combine
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Feb 11, 2009 7:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 12, 2009 12:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just to play devils advocate...
How many super bowls has TO won?
by AirforceBat on Feb 11, 2009 8:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
as many as any other WR
zero…teams win SBs, not individual players.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 11, 2009 8:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you Terry
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 12, 2009 12:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How many playoff games have we won with TO here??? Man there were so many.... uhhhhhhh...ZERO!
by Boyzfan94 on Feb 11, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so cut the entire roster ???
Romo 0-2
Witten 0-2
Ware 0-2
your point ?
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 11, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1 Its not a good argument
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 12, 2009 12:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
None of them are distractions....that's the problem with TO
he is a major distraction for the team whether it’s his fault or not. We haven’t won jack with TO here. We won’t win a darn thing with that walking PR disaster on this team. Romo needs to be the leader of this team, but with TO here he never will. Think of this situation as the same type with Eli Manning and Shockey.
Other players need to man up and pick up the slack when TO is gone……it’s that simple. TO will be gone, it’s just a matter of when, so you might as well deal with it.
by Boyzfan94 on Feb 12, 2009 1:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How many has Dan Marino had ??????
How bout Fitz and Boldin ?
Steve Smith ?
Andre Johnson ?
fill in the blanks…….
sorry…but that BS don’t wash with me…It’s a team game, and TO, unlike most, comes to play every day.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 11, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No he doesn't
if he came to play he’d catch the ball instead of looking past that for the highlight reel he’s about to let loose. To bad it doesn’t happen because he is unreliable to do his most important job, CATCH.
by AustonianAggie on Feb 11, 2009 2:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, he drops a few balls....so doesn't ever other receiver, including Witten..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 11, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
actually, I've never seen Fitzy drop a ball
although I’m sure at some point in his life he probably did, I just never saw it and I watched every game he played in at Pitt.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 11, 2009 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah...Fitz is my favorite WR as well....
you get the point…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 14, 2009 9:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sold on Leonard.
I would much rather have Delmas or Johnson and bring in a another veteran to compete for the starting job.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Feb 10, 2009 4:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I have come to the conclusion...
That Jack Bauer is needed to sort the chaos out in Dallas, or Chuck Norris.
by AirforceBat on Feb 10, 2009 4:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
if
Jerruh hired Chuck Norris, the Cowboys would be unbelievable.
Discovered by the Germans in 1904, they named it San Diego, which of course in German means a whale's vagina. .
by shadow1480 on Feb 10, 2009 4:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Chuck Norris walked into a Burger King, ordered a Big Mac... AND GOT IT
My favorite Chuck Norris goof
by Boundforbeach on Feb 10, 2009 5:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Chuck Norris doesnt beleive in the periodic table
The only element he beleives in is the element of surprise.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 11, 2009 1:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Combine in 7 days
Interested to see what some of the lower level QB’s do..
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on Feb 10, 2009 4:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Me too. whats with all the Mock Drafts saying Texas A&M's Stephen McGee
would go to Dallas. I think I’ve seen that in 3 multi-round mocks. He never had a chance at A&M, I have no idea what prospects he has
by AustonianAggie on Feb 10, 2009 6:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Drew Willy
Not the greatest QB I’ll admit, especially after he didn’t get it done in the Bowl game vs. UConn. But these cocky NFL coaches will love him in the combine. Big dude with a cannon for an arm.
by witten82 on Feb 10, 2009 9:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TO
One of my friends lives in Crystal City, VA and they were talking TO to the Skins this afternoon on the radio. That would be a pretty scary if Owens joined the Skins.
I will be surprised if Jerry can trade TO. It’s either release him or keep him. I hope Miles Austin can stay healthy if TO is gone.
by tyler2 on Feb 10, 2009 6:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well, if the Redskins want him, Dallas might be able to leverage a little more
being that they’re a division rival.
So that means, what, a 5th rounder? :)
by Rafael Vela on Feb 10, 2009 7:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
his cap # makes it real hard to trade him
Whats left in terms of his bonus? 9mil? and he makes something like 7 mil a year aside from that? I think a team would have to be crazy to trade for him unless they could restructure his contract.
I wouldn’t feel great about playing an angry TO on washington every year though.
by foyesboys on Feb 10, 2009 9:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
Probably won’t happen.
And even if it did happen, he’s 35 years old. He will have to start declining in a couple of years.
by AirforceBat on Feb 10, 2009 9:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Scary? Why?
Apparently , you just jam him at the line and keep a safety shaded over and he’s easy to cover.
Ahhh, here comes the joke about our safeties though. Go ahead someone!
by Realist Larry on Feb 10, 2009 9:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah why would anyone want a WR that other DCs still think needs to be double covered
And even though thats happening he is still cathching doubel digit TDs
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 11, 2009 1:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If I were really cheeky I would ask for Chris Horton straight up
with every expectation that the proposal would be thrown back in my face.
But you have to ask.
by Rafael Vela on Feb 10, 2009 7:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'd trade him, for all the tea in China.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Feb 10, 2009 7:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So...
If the Jets are looking at Leonard to come in as Safety, does this mean Abram Elam is a free-agent? And what about Dawan Landry from the Ravens? I heard he is also a FA.
~Texas Massacre 08~
by TheHeat on Feb 10, 2009 7:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Dawan Landry would be an attractive option
but he’s coming off a serious neck injury.
by Rafael Vela on Feb 10, 2009 7:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I read in the Baltimore Sun last week that the neck still troubles him.
by Rafael Vela on Feb 10, 2009 7:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What do you think of Abram Elam Returning To Dallas?
~Texas Massacre 08~
by TheHeat on Feb 10, 2009 7:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
getting rid of TO would be a big big mistake
hes not the one who ran to the media with ANYTHING this year. If i wasnt so exhausted id go into more but i think everyone knows why people want to keep him and wwhy people dont.
What the French?! Toast!
by thebigham on Feb 10, 2009 7:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1 ham....
media flood gates were left open…..Jerry needs to be guarding the fort..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 10, 2009 9:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
In fairness, though, T.O. did run to Deion with his gripes about Garrett’s offense. I still feel he should be kept on the team.
by PaulFVillarreal on Feb 10, 2009 10:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Paul....THAT was long after the crazy train called ESPN came rolling into town....
TO was vilified by Werder….period…that rat faced bastard…..and i assure all of you , if i ever see him, i’m going to flatten his face….no joke…
TO answered questions…..What the media did to his answers in the editing room, is all you people ever seen…..I personally didn’t see the Sanders interview…but it was supposed to be damage control…guess it didn’t go so well……but once again…what did he say ? The offense isn’t going well, it could be better, it didn’t play to his strengths….IF that is what was said…THEN I agree with everything he said….cuz Garrett did blow it…..i am pretty sure everyone here had said to themselves at least once last season…What is up with this offensive play ???
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 10, 2009 11:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Ultimate ESPN Highlight
I can just see Ed Werder’s ferret face outside Valley Ranch spewing out some BS then out of nowhere some guy comes flying into the screen and pummels Werder. Instant classic.
Chris Berman going on and on about how they are trying to identify the attacker and all he can say is that the unidentified assailant was wearing a Cowboys Jersey and on the back was
Numba
1
Count me in for $100 toward your bail money!
by Cowboy Louie on Feb 11, 2009 7:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+3
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 11, 2009 1:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We will have to rebuild
when T.O. leaves. This team will be lost without him. How did we ever score a TD when he wasn’t here, must have been a weird bounce
by cow_fanatic on Feb 10, 2009 8:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Doom and gloom without TO....unbelievable....
Witten, RW, Austin, Crayton, MB3, Felix Jones, Choice…..yeah we will suck….c’mon dude…
What we need in this draft is a Deshawn Jackson type WR to play the slot if TO is not going to be on this team. We need more speed in the slot with or without TO in 2009.
by Boyzfan94 on Feb 10, 2009 8:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
nah
what we need in this draft is some reliable olineman who won’t put our offense in awful 3rd and longs 7 times a game.
I like our wr core even without TO. Crayton is a proven reliable #3 and he didn’t do awful as the #2. Austin seems to have a ton of potential and has that speed you’re talking about. And its way too early to write off roy.
by foyesboys on Feb 10, 2009 9:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly.
And they would all perform Better without him around.
We’d just need RW to be an average or better NFL-caliber WR, which everyone seems to think he’s capable of.
by Realist Larry on Feb 10, 2009 9:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
On the upside...
It also means more chances for Felix Jones to touch the ball.
by AirforceBat on Feb 10, 2009 9:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Percy Harvin (Florida)
5’11 195….4.35 40 would be one of my choices.
by Boyzfan94 on Feb 10, 2009 9:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
he'll be gone
in the 1st round
"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips
by MrMinority on Feb 10, 2009 9:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it's insane in my view how Pearcy is moving down draft boards
his speed cannot be replicated
by AustonianAggie on Feb 11, 2009 10:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah and he contributed signifigantly
speed is a measurable too.
by AustonianAggie on Feb 11, 2009 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The guy is amazing
but apparently he is injury prone. Do you think he’s worth a gamble? That’s a tough call.
by texstar on Feb 11, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry is putting it out there.........that TO might be gone.
Why……..cuz he overpaid TO. Not necessarily in money but in CONTRACT STRUCTURE. He guarnteed money. That is like giving a kid all his allowance money before he mowed the lawn or took out the trash. So what happens if the kid doesn’t mow the lawn?
Remember when TO was behavin. Jerry had him on a year by year contract. It was essentially three one year contracts……..and cap friendly if TO misbehaved and Jerry………chose to Andy Reid him.
However, TO seemed so sincere…………“Please don’t blame my QB”…………..blah blah blah………..Jerry got sucked in and overpaid and over the hill pain in the rear.
I don’t think he is going to get rid of TO. As Jerry himself once said……….
“He can dance on the Star anytime.” Wasn’t Jerry even fined for talking about a player still on another roster?
Anyway………..I think this is Jerry’s way of trying to get leverage over Drew Rosenhaus and TO. He hears the complaints………and he is telling the coaches and or players…….he will handle TO.
Just my theory……………I think TO stays.
TO didn’t throw a pick six at Pittsburgh.
TO didn’t miss two tackles that led a tailback and then a full back of all things rumble down the field for back to back longer TDs by Baltimore.
TO didn’t go to Cancun on the bye week he just sent Romo and Jessica.
TO did catch 10 tds……..and does anybody else remember when he went down last year at Charlotte how terrible our offense looked without him?
Granted we might have a game changer in Felix Jones, but Miles Austin and Sam Hurd have yet to show they can A) Stay healthy for 16 games B) be a legit 1 or 2 WR in the NFL.
If Jerry gets rid of TO…….and the offense looks pedestrian then what? Does he fire Garret? Trade Romo?
I think the mediots have had it in for TO. Not that he hasn’t been deserving at times, but seriously Meshawn calling out TO. TO has never had drug / acohol or legal troubles off the field. He is still a great athelete. I think Jerry wants another 30 TDs out of this guy over the next tow seasons. I also think he gets em.
by Jon B. on Feb 10, 2009 9:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Based on some of Jerry's comments...
…I also think there’s a very real chance T.O. stays.
I believe Glazer and Schefter — they get good information. That said, Jerry does not seem to have reached a place where he’s ready to get rid of T.O.
I hope T.O. stays.
If T.O. wasn’t going to count so much against the cap, or cost less to keep, then I can see more of a reason for dropping him. But with an unproven group of WR’s, in my opinion, and that salary structure, I think it would be a big mistake to get rid of T.O. now.
by PaulFVillarreal on Feb 10, 2009 10:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Glazer and Shefter both said they think he is gone...
they both were on NFL Network Superbowl week and said TO will be cut before or after the NFL Combine. They were pretty sure it will happen. They are the top two information guys in football so take it for what it’s worth.
He’s gone….before, after the Combine..he’s gone. He won’t be a cowboy in 2009. This team can’t afford the BS surrounding him.
by Boyzfan94 on Feb 10, 2009 10:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you mean the media surrounding him ? right ?
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 10, 2009 11:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Glazer and Shefter were on with Rich Eisen...
Eisen asked the both of them what will be the talk of the off season. They both said TO getting cut. Then Glazer said..BTW….Bennett was fined a game check yesterday, before anyone knew about it…. Two days later the Cowboys offically stated Bennett was fined a game check….yeah, Glazer is that good.
by Boyzfan94 on Feb 10, 2009 11:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
where are they getting this information from?
"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips
by MrMinority on Feb 10, 2009 11:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Remember when TO was behavin"
What has he done in Dallas that you would call not behaving?
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 11, 2009 1:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Prima Donna-ing it up with Preening Deion Sanders dude
a team culture of finger pointers and he points the most. Might I remind you that #1 Larry Fitzgerald was double covered all SB and he tore it up. #1s beat Double Coverage.
by AustonianAggie on Feb 11, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Remember the whole 17 targets is just not enough fiasco?
In a game where Felix Jones only got ZERO touches. Hmmm. During Dallas’s 4-1 start, what was the common ingredient? A key Felix Jones touchdown, that’s what. Well, his TD against the Browns came when the game was already decided but you get my point. Maybe Felix could’ve done something spectacular against the Redskins with those touches that were wasted on rinky dinky little screen passes and overly intricate reverses that went to T.O.
by MadMick on Feb 11, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Cat was the key to our offense this season
and when he went down, so did our offense. His speed kept defenses honest and severely hurt them when they weren’t.
When he went down, so did our chances as our defense wasn’t good enough to keep us in every game like the Steelers and Ravens Ds.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 11, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because he is so fast
But TO caught him ( not just kept up) in the GB game
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 12, 2009 12:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
your abosolutely correct...IF Felix Jones was used against Washington, and Romo didn't throw the ball 48 times, we would have probably won....
targets and catchable balls are two different things my friend…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 11, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
T.O.'s dropped enough wide open passes since he's been here that he doesn't get to complain about catchable balls, my friend.
They’re certainly two different things when you have a receiver like T.O. that just isn’t as good as Irvin was or Fitzgerald is at attacking the ball. You put it up there; they’ll go and get it. T.O. not so much; at least not as a Cowboy and especially not last year. With T.O., some not-exactly-great throws that other guys such as Irvin, Fitz, and hell even Alvin Harper might will themselves to catch are a lost cause. Get it to him just the way he likes it and he might catch it; if he doesn’t drop it or lose it in the lights. A slight underthrow; why bother?
He’s still one of the best in the business at running after the catch but unless everything is just so, just right; he’s not the guy who’s going to outfight the defender for the ball.
Furthermore, whether the play calls sucked, the throws weren’t there (hell, he wasn’t getting open) or Garrett’s designed touches were lame (can’t blame T.O. there) he still pissed and moaned about a game where he got his number called 17 times and had 7 catches and a TD. I didn’t hear T.O. complain that Felix got NO touches; nope, it was about the quality opportunities T.O. didn’t get.
by MadMick on Feb 11, 2009 3:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+10000000000000000
Its not TO’s fault for just about everything on the bottom half of these comments
by Burt88 on Feb 11, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1 Jon B.
finally….common sense..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 10, 2009 10:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So it's common sense...
Only when someone agree’s totally with you?
I’ll admit he has valid points, and NOOOO he’s not responsible for everything, but I do get tired of seeing him give up on routes and drop passes that elite WR’s should catch.
I don’t hate the guy, I think he’s a great player, but I just wish that he could act more like Larry Fitzgerald or even be more Terrell Owens and less TO.
by AirforceBat on Feb 10, 2009 10:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
btw...I agreed with him....not him to me.....so...yeah...
common sense agreement….that’s what it was…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 10, 2009 11:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like his attitude all the time, but i'm not here to judge his character flaws...it's will you produce with the ball in your hand ??? ...that's all i care about...
You deal with prima dona’s..
.I was a very vocal player my whole career playing football…sure…i imagine quite a few of my past teammates disliked me, I was arrogant, talked smack, bitched at others for playing poorly, got in fights, got on my coaches if they pulled me out…but i gave 110%, and I went through walls for my teammates, and never gave anyone a reason to doubt my effort..I can assure you not one other player would have wanted me off the team…so i relate with TO in one sense, and it’s the reason I defend him to the end….I love me some TO….
there is a very very small handful of players in the league more dangerous with the ball in their hands than TO….
You are simply admitting that the media exposure gets to you….you don’t like everyone talking badly about your team…..RWII and Crayton, and Romo all said the same exact things TO has……But who’s fault is it ?…TO…because he’s rubbing off on them ???
I want someone that acts like Larry Fitzgerald ? How in the world do you or anyone else know how Fitz operates or acts ? serious….
once again….a clear sign that the media runs the mind set of most of you…and is the only reason why TO is being discussed…
You have never personally seen TO giving up on routes…and if he checked off a route , you can be damn sure it’s because the route stood no chance of completion, or Romo wasn’t looking his way………
Don’t believe the hype guy….
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 10, 2009 11:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
"never personally seen TO giving up on routes"
First quarter, Steelers game, deep out to Romo’s left, Owens rounded off his cut, then stopped. Troy Polamalu intercepted. Didn’t realize it was ok for HofF receivers to quit on routes once they determine “no chance for completion”. Obviously, in light of the interception, there was a chance of completion.
by NCCowboy on Feb 11, 2009 7:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why did Romo even throw his way
that was a stupid decision to even throw in that direction
by Burt88 on Feb 11, 2009 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for the objective point of view Burt...
there was no prayer in that ball being completed…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 11, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I cant wait to hear
Terr’s excuse for that.
by texstar on Feb 11, 2009 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not true
If T.O. continues to run, the ball would have been right in his hands.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 11, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No way
It was much more likely to be intercepted than be completed. At best TO prevents the interception if even that
by Burt88 on Feb 11, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that works for me
At best T.O. is in the position to prevent the interception which is part of his job as well
by cow_fanatic on Feb 11, 2009 3:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd feel kinda sad if TO were cut
I mean, didn’t the whole “TO is causing trouble again” start with Werder’s “scoop”? And that’s what planted the seed of cutting TO in our minds, right?
I wouldn’t completely pity TO, but the media is a feeding-frenzy. It feels like the media just salivates, waiting to dump on guys like TO or Kobe.
I hope he stays, I bought a TO jersey prior to the season for Christ’s sake. ;)
by Turbo73 on Feb 10, 2009 11:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
Haha me too.
I’m not super for releasing him or keeping him, but I can see both sides of the coin easily.
by AirforceBat on Feb 11, 2009 8:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BINGO for Turbo..
yet another observant Cowboy fan that realizes it was Werders irresponsible journalism that was behind this entire mess……
btw…I’m about to buy my 2nd TO jersey shortly…cuz i believe he goes down as one of the most productive players in team history.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 11, 2009 9:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If TO
were to stay, every waking moment of the season would be consumed, not by how the team is playing, but by how TO is feeling, how the players feel about TO, how the coaches feel about TO, who did or didn’t go to TO’s latest party and why …
I don’t want that. I want some Cowboys football.
Adios, El Dorado.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Feb 11, 2009 9:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Nah, this team would finally put him in the rearview
I’m indifferent on cutting him but this team is not crippled w/o TO
by AustonianAggie on Feb 11, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who said
we would be crippled without him? I say we would be hampered if he stayed.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Feb 11, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ok...and if the players decided on their own/or were forced via Jerry gag order, not to talk about it, then what ??
there would be no story…right ? It’s the players responsibility to withdraw from talking nonsesnse and and being consumed by the media’s inquiries..They can easily say, NO comment…Either ask football related stories, or hit the bricks….simple, no ??
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 11, 2009 9:25 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
If TO leaves we need to look at other options through the draft like..
Rutgers Kenny Britt he is projected to be availible around the time we select in the second. He is a playmaker and a large target. I can see him making an impact instantly
by NJcowboysFAN on Feb 11, 2009 12:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
very few rookie WRs make instant impacts
Over the last 15 years, you can count impact rookie WRs on one hand.
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by Terry on Feb 11, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dwane Bowe, Randy Moss, Desean Jackson are what comes to mind
off the top of my head. someone name 3 more
by AustonianAggie on Feb 11, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Marques Colston,
just need 2 more
by AustonianAggie on Feb 11, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've gone blank
but the guy with AZ from Michigan over 1000 yds. 3rd wide receiver
by texstar on Feb 11, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't call Breaston an impact rookie
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by Terry on Feb 11, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Anquan Boldin
I think set a record for rookie catches. But Terry’s point is well taken. Of the WRs that have been named as impact rookies which is debatable, I can name just as many non-debatable busts and that’s just the ones drafted by Detroit
by cow_fanatic on Feb 11, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
while you're at it
you might as well say Eddie Royal, LOL.
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by Terry on Feb 11, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bowe and Jackson weren't impact rookies
they were good, but not true imapct WRs like Moss. Actually Boldin in 2003 had more of an impact than those two guys.
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by Terry on Feb 11, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bowe was the best WR on his KC team
but KC was awful. Jackson got saddled with the lead role cause Philly’s hungry for it, but he got his catches and TDs, not elite, but he impacted the games
by AustonianAggie on Feb 11, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He was hurt
most of his rookie year so he wouldn’t be an impact rookie
by cow_fanatic on Feb 11, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's a beast
but Detroit smart to get rid of RW. We on the other hand are idiots for giving up 1st, 3rd, and 6th rounders for him
by Burt88 on Feb 11, 2009 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, CJ did nothing his rookie year
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by Terry on Feb 11, 2009 3:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So the current way of trading for other team's malcontents is better?
Since Jerry doesn’t have a real football man, I wouldn’t exactly trust him to be able to pick out the good receivers from a position that is littered with high busts, but I don’t think that’s the wisest philosophy to always get your go-to receiver through trades or free agency.
by MadMick on Feb 11, 2009 3:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
the draft is always the best way to go, but the point was you can’t expect a rookie WR to come in and make an impact, it rarely happens.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 11, 2009 3:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah. Agree.
You do need to draft some young bucks high at the position eventually though or else your only homegrown talent ends up being a chump like Patty Crayton.
by MadMick on Feb 11, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the deal....With TO gone..
Roy E Williams started only 62 of 80 games over 5 seasons.
Pat Crayton started only 27 of 80 games over 5 seasons.
Miles Austin has never started any of 48 games over 3 seasons.
Isaiah Stanback has never started any of the 32 games over 2 seasons.
Roy E Williams has only started, and played in 16 games in one season his whole career.
Austin and Stanback have logged in more trips to the trainers room than any amount of time on the field.
Crayton is a servicable 3rd WR against weaker, slower, 3rd-4th CB’s, and doesn’t scare anyone…
This is what we’re going to war with ????
TO- 69 receptions 1,052 yards, 10 TD’s
The rest of the WR’s on the roster that played in Dallas last season ::
———————————————————————————————————————————————
Crayton- 39 receptions 550 yards 4 TD’s
Roy E.Williams- 19 receptions 198 yards 1 TD
Miles Austin- 13 receptions 278 yards 3 TD’s
Isaiah Stanback- 2 receptions 24 yards 0 TD
—————————————————————————————————
73 receptions 1,050 yards 8 TD’s COMBINED !!!
Yeah, I see the point of releasing TO now….huh ?
You’ll better pray that Austin, Stanback, and Williams don’t get injured…even though history shows they will….
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 11, 2009 3:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Exactly,
this is why we would be stupid to get rid of TO. Witten’s numbers would go down as well if TO is cut
by Burt88 on Feb 11, 2009 3:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
drastically....double team Witten and Romo would crap his pants...
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 11, 2009 3:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
To tell you the truth
I have no idea why it is being discussed that TO be cut. I don’t know how most on here are brainwashed by ESPN. He didn’t do that good last year, but cut him and see what happens to this currently dangerous offense. We would become on of the uglier offenses in the league IMO.
by Burt88 on Feb 11, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hardly
If Witten gets doubled, that means somebody has one on one coverage. I’m pretty confident RW2, Crayton, and Austin can beat one on one coverage, they’ve proven as such in games already.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 11, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if TO is cut
i see romo getting pressured all the time and witten doubled. You cant pressure blitz romo on everyplay with TO because he can still take a 1 yard pass to the house. Is anyone scared of austin crayton or RW2 doing that?
Im with burt88 and cowboysrnumba1 and whoever doesnt get why this is even being discussed. TO is still one of the best WR in the league. And will go down as one of the best.
The arguement about fitzy never dropping passes is an extreme exception hes a freaking beast.
Again im exhausted but seriously this debate is old very old TO is here to stay. I think jerry hasnt came out to dismiss the rumors because he likes the cowboys to be in the news no matter what good or bad
What the French?! Toast!
by thebigham on Feb 11, 2009 7:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Put me in that category with you, burt and numba 1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 12, 2009 12:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You guys are in denial.....what are you going to do when he is actually cut..OMG...lol
I hate to break it to you when it does happen, don’t expect Jerry to go out and trade for Boldin or TJ or any other high priced WR because it’s not going to happen. It may not happen this year, even though I think it will, but TO will be cut at some point. When Reeves comes out and says they are thinking about it and the rumors that Jerry is having players over his house dicussing the situation, than that my friends means there is some truth to what Lambardi, Shefter and Glazer are all saying….. He will be cut….
by Boyzfan94 on Feb 12, 2009 1:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what about the Cat?
He has the speed defenses will fear to keep teams from blitzing.
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by Terry on Feb 12, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TO is faster than dash
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 13, 2009 12:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that would be one race I'd love to see
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by Terry on Feb 13, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well im basing my thought on the GB game
when TO caught up to Jones on his long TD run. Although I would love to see them race for real
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 13, 2009 6:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll tell you what..Austin is faster than TO
by Boyzfan94 on Feb 14, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Still not a better WR though
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 14, 2009 5:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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